The Glenn Beck Program - 12⧸6⧸17 - ＂A very move＂？ (McKay Coppins, Ben Shapiro, Kelly Shackelford & Tim Ballard join Glenn)

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00:00:14.540 When is your capital really not the capital?

00:00:17.420 If you're the nation of Israel, this is not a ridiculous question.

00:00:20.920 When would we ever say, Washington, D.C. is not the capital of the United States?

00:00:24.720 No, it's Detroit. No, it's not. No, it's not.

00:00:28.640 Even though their capital is Jerusalem, most of the world acts like it's not.

00:00:34.000 We seem to have no problem with people saying, no, I identify today as a black woman.

00:00:39.900 I identify today at the capital of Israel is in Tel Aviv.

00:00:44.660 Really? Really?

00:00:46.740 The reason why is because we don't want to make the terrorists angry.

00:00:51.160 Today, President Trump is expected to announce his decision about whether or not to keep the American embassy

00:00:57.360 in Tel Aviv.

00:00:59.380 Trump's intention is to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and relocate

00:01:05.900 the embassy there.

00:01:07.920 Now, logistically, it's a move that makes sense.

00:01:11.840 It also conveniently is the truth.

00:01:16.900 Symbolically, it's going to piss off everybody who hates Israel and the Jews.

00:01:23.460 But guess what?

00:01:25.480 Do we base our policy on who hates the Jews?

00:01:31.600 I think this is a one of the bravest moves I've seen a president make, perhaps since Ronald

00:01:42.300 Reagan said it was an evil empire when he was talking about the Soviet Union.

00:01:47.180 He is standing up to the decades of bullying.

00:01:52.520 He is recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

00:01:56.600 The United States is sending a clear message that threats of violence by the Palestinians

00:02:01.200 and others are not tolerated.

00:02:04.220 It's also a message that's being sent that official U.S.

00:02:09.020 policy should not be ignored.

00:02:10.980 So let's go back to a time when Bill Clinton was in office for a second.

00:02:15.320 It was 1990, 1995, Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act.

00:02:21.740 Now, what is that?

00:02:23.460 That required the American embassy to relocate from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

00:02:28.800 Let me say this again.

00:02:30.240 It required the embassy to relocate to Jerusalem.

00:02:35.320 In that act, it states that Jerusalem should be undivided and the recognized capital of Israel.

00:02:43.380 And on a side note, how did this pass?

00:02:46.860 The act passed 93 to 5 in the Senate and 374 to 37 in the House.

00:02:55.160 The move can only be canceled if we overtly stop it every six months.

00:03:01.860 And that is what we've done every six months for the last 22 years.

00:03:07.300 The president has come out and said, you know, oh, geez.

00:03:09.860 Oh, that's supposed to have.

00:03:11.240 You know, I was I was busy in the bathroom and I just haven't had time to.

00:03:16.960 We need another six months.

00:03:18.660 It's a law that is 22 years late in being enacted, and it's embarrassing that it has taken this long.

00:03:28.000 And it's a slap in the face to our trusted ally.

00:03:32.300 It needed to be implemented then.

00:03:34.380 It should have been done in 1948, and it certainly should be implemented now.

00:03:40.400 If Trump actually follows through on this, it's a brave move and he deserves a lot of credit for it.

00:03:47.900 And if he does, Israel will finally be able to let everyone know that their capital is actually their capital.

00:03:57.600 It's Wednesday, December 6th.

00:04:16.300 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:04:18.160 So there was a there's a there's a new book out the wilderness deep inside the Republican Party's combative, contentious, chaotic quest to take back the White House.

00:04:31.120 And out of that, the writer McKay Coppins has written an article, God's Plan for Mike Pence.

00:04:39.540 And if you just look through it, because it's from the Atlantic, the the pictures, you know, make Mike Pence look like, you know, he's an apostle or whatever.

00:04:49.600 But it is not a slam on religious people.

00:04:54.220 It's just trying to understand Mike Pence and what drives him.

00:04:58.920 How can he have two masters?

00:05:01.220 How can he be the guy who we all think Mike Pence is, but then stomach as much as he has?

00:05:09.340 And it's a really fascinating look into Mike Pence and especially today with the the president possibly, you know, claiming I'll believe it when I see it.

00:05:25.340 But I think he's going to do it today, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

00:05:31.660 So welcome to the program, McKay Coppins.

00:05:35.000 Thanks for having me.

00:05:36.380 You bet.

00:05:37.160 So, McKay, first, let's let's talk a little bit about Israel and Jerusalem.

00:05:44.320 Does this surprise you?

00:05:46.760 Well, it's something that he campaigned on, Trump did.

00:05:50.660 And it's something that I know a lot of people in his orbit have been claiming was coming.

00:05:55.060 But, you know, past presidential candidates have campaigned on this as well and then not followed through on it.

00:05:59.380 It's, you know, one of those eternal promises that is made to conservative Christians and conservative Jews in this country. 0.62

00:06:05.560 And then it never ends up happening.

00:06:07.660 I still would, frankly, be a little skeptical.

00:06:11.420 I think you're I'll believe it when I see it.

00:06:13.940 Stance is the right one.

00:06:15.780 You know, they've cautioned that this takes a long time.

00:06:18.700 Obviously, to build an embassy would take a long time.

00:06:21.900 But, you know, it's certainly if it ends up happening, it's certainly a victory for a lot of the conservatives voted for Trump on this.

00:06:28.440 Is it a victory just to officially declare that it is the Capitol from the White House?

00:06:35.420 Sure.

00:06:35.880 I mean, yeah, that's more than has been done before.

00:06:38.500 Right.

00:06:38.860 I kind of look at it.

00:06:40.680 I kind of look at it like the bare ears monument that he can say whatever he wants and say, yeah, we declare.

00:06:48.120 But until you've actually cemented it and there's just no turning back, as soon as you move the embassy, then it's more than Donald Trump.

00:06:56.860 Then it is.

00:06:57.800 The United States is on that course.

00:06:59.520 That's right.

00:07:01.040 That's why I think we have to wait and see if the embassy actually gets built or if actual tangible plans get announced.

00:07:06.800 And, you know, we just don't know yet.

00:07:08.660 OK, so let's talk a little bit about Mike Pence, because I think this kind of fits into your the way you look at Mike Pence.

00:07:16.200 And that is he's there because he believes that God works in mysterious ways and maybe he's just supposed to, you know, stand up at some point if the president falls down.

00:07:28.600 Right. This is the thing that I found really interesting about Mike Pence is that he is, by all accounts and contrary to, I think, some liberal caricatures of him, a genuine man of faith.

00:07:40.860 Religion is at the core of his identity and it has been at least since college and probably even before that.

00:07:48.160 You know, he really is motivated by a desire to serve God and he thinks that he can do that in the political realm.

00:07:54.260 But, you know, it's also kind of tangled up in his own personal ambitions as well.

00:08:00.840 And so, you know, when Donald Trump came knocking last year, last spring, after securing the Republican nomination and, you know, said, I want you to be my running mate.

00:08:10.460 Mike Pence was kind of faced with a choice that millions of conservative Christians were faced with last year, which is, can we overlook the kind of, you know, to put it politely,

00:08:22.540 flaws in this man's flaws in this man's character, right?

00:08:25.900 Can we overlook this man's, you know, character, his values, his perhaps lack of morality and still support him in pursuit of a broader and they would say more important policy agenda, political agenda?

00:08:41.540 And, you know, Mike Pence made the decision that he could and so did, frankly, over an overwhelming number of conservative Christians.

00:08:48.200 I think it's still an open question whether that compromise, that kind of gamble will pay off for Mike Pence and for the people who supported him.

00:08:59.740 I mean, they did, you know, people who voted for Trump just because of the policy victories that they wanted to attain, they've gotten some things, right?

00:09:09.000 They've gotten a Supreme Court justice, who's a conservative, that just today, like you said, the announcement about Jerusalem, that could be a big victory for them.

00:09:18.540 But at the same time, you know, every compromise has consequences.

00:09:22.300 And Mike Pence finds himself in the middle of this kind of swirling investigation over Russia.

00:09:28.500 And, you know, while he is, by all accounts, trying to stay above board, trying to keep his his hands clean of all of this, when you cozy up to somebody like Trump, it can a lot of things can happen that you didn't expect.

00:09:43.620 So I think that's a fair way to put it.

00:09:45.480 So would you say that your impression, because I just want to give you my impression.

00:09:50.540 I don't want to quote any conversations, but I was around Mike Pence during the the run up when it was still was not clear that Donald Trump was going to be the candidate into the Indiana primary where Pence had endorsed Cruz Cruz Cruz.

00:10:06.700 And, you know, my impression was at the time in in speaking to Mike Pence that he knew exactly who Donald Trump was.

00:10:16.460 And it wasn't a guy that he had a lot of faith in, to put it mildly.

00:10:21.240 That that is, I think, the inaccurate impression.

00:10:27.460 OK, he is not yet.

00:10:30.180 No, Mike Pence was not on the Trump train.

00:10:33.160 He early.

00:10:34.640 And I mean, even remember when remember when Trump announced the Muslim ban or the proposed Muslim ban in December of 2015, Pence came out in opposition to it.

00:10:44.900 He said that this is, you know, an affront to American values or something like that.

00:10:48.140 And he spoke out at other times during the primary.

00:10:51.460 He my impression is that he was fairly clear eyed about who Donald Trump was.

00:10:55.860 In fact, after this story came out, I haven't shared this yet, but after my profile was published yesterday,

00:11:01.460 I got an email from somebody who was an Indiana delegate or was slated to be a delegate at the Republican National Convention from Indiana.

00:11:10.380 And when Trump won the nomination, this person decided that they couldn't show up to the convention

00:11:15.560 and said that in the run up to it during the primary, kind of in the when it was still not clear whether Trump would win.

00:11:26.260 This person got a lot of phone calls and emails from people in Pence's inner circle who all said, oh, yeah, the governor agrees with you.

00:11:33.720 Like, this is you know, this is not great.

00:11:35.420 He shares your your your your concerns.

00:11:40.020 And then, you know, a few weeks later, it was announced that he would be the running mate.

00:11:43.560 So let me ask you.

00:11:45.700 So let me ask you about that, because you in this interview, you spoke to his wife and, you know, you've you've done your homework here.

00:11:53.880 Do you believe that Pence did this for his, as you said earlier, his political aspirations?

00:12:01.820 Or did he do this because he thought I may, you know, it may be, you know, God's will that somebody is standing in that room that doesn't necessarily agree with him.

00:12:20.320 And I need to hold the line and be there.

00:12:26.420 I actually think that's not those two aren't mutually exclusive.

00:12:30.220 My my impression from all the interviews that I've done, all the people I've talked to close to him, is that he he got himself to a point, Pence did, where he believed that both.

00:12:41.220 Yes. You know, he had political aspirations.

00:12:42.940 He's always believed that he was, you know, he wanted to be president ever since he was in college.

00:12:49.060 But also he believed he could do some good there.

00:12:51.940 Right. And look, I mean, this is this is something that we that all people struggle with.

00:12:56.220 I don't think that this is, you know, uniquely a problem that Mike Pence has faced.

00:13:02.220 Everyone tries to reconcile their ambitions with their ideals.

00:13:05.320 Right. Whether they're religious ideals or whatever else.

00:13:07.820 And I think that he's convinced himself that, you know, being in the room next to Donald Trump, having the president's ear is a way to to do good, to to promote an agenda that will help people, that will, you know, protect other Christians, that will push the ball forward on issues that he cares about.

00:13:31.420 So I think that, you know, part of the reason he's been so loyal to Trump is because of that.

00:13:37.300 Back in a second. So I want to talk to McKay about his conversation with Mrs. Pence, who had some things that were quite frank in the article when we come back.

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00:15:32.240 Glenn Beck.

00:15:39.880 Glenn Beck.

00:15:41.320 McKay Coppins, who has written a great story, God's Plan for Mike Pence.

00:15:48.980 In it, he tells the story of the Access Hollywood tape and what Mike Pence's wife said and what happened behind the scenes.

00:15:58.480 Can you just walk us through this, McKay?

00:16:01.280 Yeah, sure.

00:16:01.920 This is based on interviews with former campaign aides and people close to the Pence's who are friends of the Pence's.

00:16:09.220 First of all, I should say that after Pence joined the ticket, Trump made an effort to kind of convince Pence that beneath all the sort of made-for-TV bluster, Trumpian bravado, he was actually a good guy with faith in God.

00:16:26.300 Because he wanted Pence to, you know, feel comfortable on the ticket and feel like he was doing a good thing.

00:16:32.500 And in fact, on the night of the vice presidential debate, Trump left a voicemail letting Pence know that he'd just said a prayer for him, which is something that Pence found very moving and really loved.

00:16:43.320 So fast forward to the Access Hollywood tape coming out, and I'm told that this was a really jarring experience for Mike Pence and in particular his wife.

00:16:54.440 One campaign aide told me that Karen Pence was disgusted by the video, and the former campaign aide said that she finds him reprehensible, just totally vile.

00:17:05.780 That's the direct quote.

00:17:07.860 That's going to have been quoting my wife.

00:17:10.160 And I think most women in the country at that moment.

00:17:12.960 Yeah, probably a lot of women at that moment, exactly. 1.00

00:17:16.360 So here's what's interesting, though, is you remember that kind of the 48 hours after that tape came out, it was just this moment of total upheaval in the campaign.

00:17:25.740 And, you know, Republicans were calling on Trump to drop out, and there was all kinds of chaos.

00:17:30.580 And I report in this story that in the midst of all of that, Mike Pence privately made it clear to the Republican National Committee that he was ready to take Trump's place as the nominee.

00:17:44.820 And in fact, during an emergency meeting between Trump and his top advisors in the midst of all of this that weekend, Reince Priebus, who was then chairman of the RNC, actually said that Pence and Condoleezza Rice were ready to step in to form the new GOP ticket.

00:18:03.520 Now, obviously, that didn't end up happening.

00:18:07.340 What happened?

00:18:09.600 Bannon.

00:18:10.080 Well, yeah, no, actually, really, you're right.

00:18:14.620 Because what happened is that, you know, I'm told by one former campaign that they thought they were going to be able to convince Trump to drop out before the debate that was that Sunday night, the end of that weekend.

00:18:26.320 And instead, he, you know, Trump was defiant, which as he's often been, and he showed up and he brought the Clinton accusers.

00:18:34.160 You remember this and and by the end of that debate had kind of turned things around and Republicans had stopped calling on him to drop out.

00:18:42.400 And and by the next day, Pence was back out on the stump.

00:18:45.700 But the reason I think that that story is important and the reason I put it in the piece is that it raises questions, especially in Trump's orbit, the people I've talked to about how how long this loyalty will last from Pence.

00:19:00.760 So, you know, is Pence really willing to go down with the ship, so to speak?

00:19:05.420 I find it investigations continue.

00:19:07.520 I find it, McKay, very interesting that now they're starting to say, you know, did did Mike Pence actually know more than he said about Russia?

00:19:17.780 And the idea, you know, I I think Mike Pence is really smart.

00:19:23.100 And I believe you're right on the direction you're going here.

00:19:26.880 And I think Mike is smart enough to see trouble and say, I'm staying way away from that to remain clean, to be able to be the guy that can rise up behind.

00:19:39.660 Yeah. So that's, I think, a good point.

00:19:41.920 I don't know what's going to come out.

00:19:43.480 You know, he was the head of the transition when all this kind of trouble started.

00:19:47.900 Right. But I do think that there, you know, obviously we'll see what happens and what information comes out.

00:19:53.920 But but I do think that, yeah, Pence above above everything else is, you know, careful.

00:20:02.180 He's very cautious. Right.

00:20:03.880 Yeah. I think he even though he was head of the transition, I can easily see a scenario where he, you know, he was operating on a kind of don't ask, don't tell policy.

00:20:13.820 Right. McKay Coppins. The article is God's plan for Mike Pence.

00:20:19.100 More in a minute.

00:20:23.920 Glenn Beck.

00:20:33.300 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:20:35.580 Ben Shapiro is going to be joining us at the top of the hour.

00:20:38.880 Ben is going to have a lot to say about what President Trump is supposed to or supposedly going to announce today that the United States is recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

00:20:52.780 Well, strangely, that's a big deal, a very big deal.

00:20:56.280 And also the it it appears as though, according to think progress, that the case for the people against the bakers in Colorado did not go well for them yesterday in the Supreme Court.

00:21:12.000 Kelly Shackelford has been there.

00:21:14.420 He was watching the case and he's going to talk to us.

00:21:16.440 That's also next hour.

00:21:17.860 We're talking to McKay Coppins from The Atlantic who wrote the article God's plan for Mike Pence.

00:21:21.860 One of the reasons I like McKay and McKay's with us now is he, unlike many mainstream reporters, I get the sense he has gets has a much more nuanced understanding of people of faith.

00:21:32.820 Yeah.

00:21:33.280 And you were you were on the Romney bus for that that campaign.

00:21:39.880 Were you not?

00:21:40.260 Yeah, I was.

00:21:41.800 And the only Mormon on the on the Romney bus reporter. 0.78

00:21:45.600 And I don't know if the other people knew that or not, but you were you were constantly forced to endure religious and Mormon jokes from the other members of the press.

00:21:57.300 Is that right?

00:21:58.380 That's true.

00:21:59.220 Although I wrote about this after the campaign, I didn't think it was necessarily, you know, malevolent.

00:22:05.380 It was just kind of born out of ignorance for the most part.

00:22:09.020 You know, people made a lot of Mormon jokes, Mormon underwear jokes.

00:22:12.900 But but I will say by the end of that campaign, I think Mormonism had been demystified for a lot of those reporters.

00:22:19.120 And yeah, and they came to respect it more.

00:22:21.060 That was one of the things I thought was interesting about your story about Pence in that I think to a lot of people who were conservative Christians and had a certain impression of Mike Pence when the Trump stuff started happening.

00:22:33.360 It surprised a lot of people.

00:22:34.920 It was it seemed like it was against what he stood for and what his belief system was.

00:22:39.780 You sort of explain that in here with his the idea of servant leadership that he really has has kind of carried with him his entire life.

00:22:47.740 Can you talk about that a little bit?

00:22:48.580 Yeah, so this is a biblical concept.

00:22:51.480 This is described to me by Mark Short, who is a serves as the White House director of legislative affairs, but has known Mike Pence for a long time.

00:23:00.840 And what he told me was that this idea of servant leadership is, you know, it's from the Gospels, basically modeled off Jesus who, you know, washed his disciples feet and preached that you had to be humble before you could be great.

00:23:15.400 And as early as Pence's first term as a congressman, he was instructing his staffers to have a servant's attitude when they dealt with constituents that, you know, his attitude was we're the servants and we're serving them and we should be humble and try, you know, try to help them as well as we can.

00:23:37.080 And but that and that attitude has kind of extended throughout his career.

00:23:40.420 When he became part of the GOP leadership in the House, he saw it as his job to be a servant to his fellow Republican congressmen and congresswomen.

00:23:49.860 And then when he decided to take the job as running mate, as Donald Trump's running mate, he believed his job was to be number two to Donald Trump, to serve Donald Trump.

00:23:59.540 Now, a lot of people point to some of the some of the stuff that Pence does or says in defense of Trump is, you know, how can a how can a good Christian man possibly go out there and spin like this for for Donald Trump?

00:24:15.140 But he doesn't see that as something that's out of step with with his view of faith in Christianity.

00:24:21.680 He thinks that he's meant to be a servant.

00:24:23.780 He's under Trump's authority.

00:24:25.600 And that's his job.

00:24:27.060 So does that does that mean in his view that I mean, you know, we're all servants?

00:24:33.880 Yes.

00:24:34.260 But when there's unrighteous leadership, I mean, you know, you go back to the Germans. 0.99

00:24:39.000 Is there a line?

00:24:40.740 I'm not suggesting that that would be the line that he would ever approach.

00:24:43.620 But is there is there a line?

00:24:46.340 Do you think he has a moral line with him where, you know, for instance, if I mean, the word is, is that Trump is now starting to deny that that Access Hollywood tape.

00:24:57.060 Was even him.

00:24:57.720 That's I mean, I can't imagine coming home to my wife.

00:25:01.460 And if my wife, you know, said what she did say when that came out and I would defended him afterwards, she would have a hard time stomaching it as I would.

00:25:10.960 But then if he started to deny, I know my wife would go, really, really?

00:25:15.820 How much farther are you going to go?

00:25:18.140 Right.

00:25:18.940 Right.

00:25:19.280 I mean, look, that is the question.

00:25:21.040 Right.

00:25:21.320 And this is this is why a lot of the people who have known Pence for a long time and who, frankly, have admired him for a long time on both sides of the aisle are kind of alarmed by how far Pence has been willing to go.

00:25:34.280 Because they say, look, I get that you have a job here.

00:25:37.600 I get that to a certain extent you're going to have to spin and apologize for and justify the president's actions.

00:25:43.580 But there must be some some line you won't cross or else, you know, you can justify anything like that.

00:25:50.320 But this is where I think it gets into the broader question of, you know, the rest of the conservative Christian community in this country.

00:25:58.240 Right. I quoted or I cited a statistic from the Public Religion Research Institute that found that in 2011, only 30 percent of white evangelicals agreed with this statement that a public official could commit an act of immorality in his private life, but continue to serve ethically in his public life.

00:26:19.880 So only 30 percent of white evangelicals believe that basically they were saying character counts.

00:26:24.900 It matters. Right.

00:26:25.900 But just for the record, I'm still saying that.

00:26:30.080 Well, yeah.

00:26:31.480 Well, and there are still many who say that.

00:26:33.660 But by 2016, 72 percent of white evangelicals believed that.

00:26:38.940 So so now the majority of white evangelicals are saying, look, that, you know, somebody can be a bad person in their private life, but still be a good public servant, a good public official.

00:26:48.160 Now, you can debate that. But but that is a sea change in evangelical and frankly, political ethics and a lot among a lot of conservative people of faith.

00:26:56.660 You know, you know, I reading the piece, OK, I really I want to kind of liking Mike Pence more and understanding him, I think a lot more, you know, which is interesting, though.

00:27:05.420 We did not have time to get to the most damning thing in the story in the article, which is when faced with at his at his college, when they come and they say, hey, do you guys have kegs?

00:27:17.820 He sells out the fraternity and shows them where the kegs are.

00:27:21.560 Is this accurate?

00:27:23.520 This comes from one of his frat brothers, who, by the way, still likes Mike Pence.

00:27:27.460 It wasn't like a vendetta.

00:27:29.000 Yeah, he said that the dean showed up and Pence led him straight to the kegs and said that and yeah, kind of sold, sold his frat brothers out.

00:27:37.600 I don't think I'll ever forgive him for that part of it.

00:27:39.720 But other than that, it was a really interesting read.

00:27:42.360 It's it's God's plan for Mike Pence from the Atlantic and it's from McKay Coppins.

00:27:48.560 McKay, thank you so much.

00:27:50.120 Keep up the good work.

00:27:50.900 God bless.

00:27:52.100 Thanks, Glenn.

00:27:57.860 You follow McKay Coppins on Twitter at McKay Coppins, and we will tweet out the article at Glenn Beck and at World of Stew from the Atlantic.

00:28:07.000 It's really interesting when it comes down to the, for instance, Jerusalem.

00:28:12.360 Why do you think Donald Trump is doing this?

00:28:18.400 It's interesting because timing wise, after reading that story about Pence from McKay, you get the sense that the Jerusalem thing is exactly why Mike Pence is there.

00:28:31.520 It's that type of thing that he says, you know what?

00:28:33.980 Sometimes I'm going to have to go on TV and I'm going to have to say things I don't believe.

00:28:37.240 Sometimes I'm going to have to defend things that I don't find defensible.

00:28:39.780 But in the end, what am I doing?

00:28:42.080 Am I doing the right thing?

00:28:42.820 Do we get Neil Gorsuch out of it?

00:28:44.060 Do we get Jerusalem as the capital of Israel out of it? 0.96

00:28:47.000 Do we get the embassy moved?

00:28:48.320 What else can we actually pull off?

00:28:50.080 Maybe we get some tax breaks and and make this, you know, the tax system a little bit more sensible or whatever he believes.

00:28:56.260 See, I don't think I don't think that Mike Pence, I could be wrong.

00:28:58.720 I don't think Mike Pence is in it for the tax breaks.

00:29:01.700 Yeah, I think it's more.

00:29:02.700 I think it is for the Supreme Court, for Jerusalem and and big, big, important, eternally important things, which is weird because it's the it's a double edged sword.

00:29:18.160 You're you're you're allowing certain kinds of behaviors to be mainstreamed because you're you're wanting to get these big eternal principle kind of things.

00:29:29.180 But at the same time, you're destroying other eternal principles.

00:29:32.940 So it's really strange.

00:29:34.860 It's interesting because it's a we saw that in the audience throughout the election and that there were some people who really love Trump from the very beginning.

00:29:42.480 And there were some people who always hated Trump and can never get on board with Trump.

00:29:46.160 But there was a big chunk in the middle who I think were very similar to the way Mike Pence is described in the story, which were, look, I I don't think I can I don't like Trump.

00:29:56.080 I'm not he's not my guy.

00:29:57.540 However, you know, this is our this is a chance to get something done and it's better than the alternative.

00:30:02.440 And, you know, there we might only get three or four things out of this, but they're important things.

00:30:06.940 If they as we said at the time, that's a respect.

00:30:09.480 It's a respectable viewpoint.

00:30:10.620 If they move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, if they actually move it, I think this is one of the biggest things to happen in my lifetime.

00:30:23.220 I mean, I think this is a gigantic tectonic plate shift.

00:30:29.920 Yeah.

00:30:30.080 And as we talked about, there's a lot to do there.

00:30:32.600 But this was, I believe, if it wasn't promised number one, it was in the top four promises that Ted Cruz made when he launched his run.

00:30:40.600 Yes.

00:30:41.100 And I remember at the time we talked about it.

00:30:42.920 It's like that's kind of a I mean, it's not a sexy tax policy.

00:30:45.800 It's not a you know, it was like he believed it.

00:30:48.500 He really believed it was really important to him.

00:30:51.060 Yeah.

00:30:51.260 And he was one of very few candidates that would do it.

00:30:55.780 I would have absolutely not thought that Donald Trump would would do this.

00:30:59.140 Never.

00:30:59.760 And admittedly, if he does it, that's going to be I'm going to be very impressed by that.

00:31:03.600 But even take Trump out of it.

00:31:06.680 There were seven.

00:31:07.440 There's 16 other candidates.

00:31:09.260 One or two.

00:31:09.960 Maybe I would have believed I would have actually followed through with this.

00:31:12.560 Maybe Rick Santorum.

00:31:13.580 Maybe Santorum.

00:31:14.440 Rick Santorum and Cruz, I think, are.

00:31:16.540 You know, I don't know of anybody who would have had to.

00:31:19.100 I mean, this takes enormous stones to do.

00:31:21.840 It has to be something that is really on top of your priority list.

00:31:25.700 Right.

00:31:26.120 You're going to it's a lot of capital you're expending.

00:31:28.420 You're expending on something like this.

00:31:29.880 And to I think a lot of Americans and we talked about that at the time and callers made the same point.

00:31:34.580 Oh, I mean, like, yeah, Jerusalem's the capital of Israel.

00:31:37.180 Who cares?

00:31:37.620 That's huge.

00:31:38.040 But it is there huge.

00:31:40.520 It is spiritually huge.

00:31:43.240 It is in a relationship internationally gigantic.

00:31:47.140 It's a big step.

00:31:48.220 I will tell you this.

00:31:49.160 I mean, as a person of faith, it is a very big move spiritually for us as a country.

00:31:58.540 Forget about Israel for America to take the stand and say, nope, this is this is Israel.

00:32:07.320 We're their allies and this is their capital.

00:32:10.420 And we will stand alone if we have to to recognize it.

00:32:13.740 I think will bless us.

00:32:15.240 It could give, you know, it may not look like a blessing at first, but I think it will bless us and and possibly give us more time to work things out.

00:32:36.820 All right.

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00:33:01.720 And take one, Stu.

00:33:03.440 OK, I guess not the whole box.

00:33:05.360 Just take one.

00:33:06.520 But I mean, I need to make.

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00:33:12.320 The chocolate chips are the best.

00:33:13.360 They have nuts.

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00:33:16.440 OK, bite into it and show the to the camera.

00:33:19.060 Show that I always turn into a mess after.

00:33:21.420 I know.

00:33:21.660 Me too.

00:33:22.500 Sorry, McKay Coppins.

00:33:23.500 I'm using your article as a napkin.

00:33:29.420 It just came out of the freezer.

00:33:31.560 Yeah, it did come out of the freezer.

00:33:32.540 A little harder to eat than normal, but.

00:33:34.520 Oh, my God.

00:33:35.520 I want to show you the inside here.

00:33:37.720 Look at the inside.

00:33:42.000 Oh, man.

00:33:43.060 Anytime.

00:33:43.880 Bright red.

00:33:45.040 You get somebody.

00:33:47.180 That sends fruit.

00:33:48.820 It's dipped in chocolate.

00:33:50.720 It's always unripe.

00:33:52.860 Right.

00:33:53.260 Just get away with it.

00:33:54.020 They're dipping it in chocolate.

00:33:55.100 So it's still they're hiding it.

00:33:57.100 The opposite is true.

00:33:58.600 I swear to you, I pay Sherry's Berries to do this commercial. 1.00

00:34:05.340 They are really suckers for paying us.

00:34:07.300 I know.

00:34:07.840 We're going to do them anyway.

00:34:08.800 They are big, huge, juicy, ripe strawberries.

00:34:18.020 So this is not this is not.

00:34:20.240 I mean, do you know why we have in the amusement parks and theme parks?

00:34:23.300 You know, we eat those, you know, turkey legs.

00:34:27.360 No.

00:34:28.080 Okay.

00:34:28.300 We eat them because people have turkey sandwiches all the time.

00:34:33.480 So you have the sliced breast. 1.00

00:34:34.880 Well, they didn't have anything to do with the turkey legs.

00:34:37.080 And so it was a marketing guy who said, we have to figure out a way to market these turkey legs because there's so many of them because everybody's eating the breast meat.

00:34:47.880 What do we do with the rest?

00:34:49.580 And so they made them into medieval times, all these things just to sell those turkey legs.

00:34:56.900 Okay.

00:34:57.660 That's usually what happens when fruit is covered in chocolate because they're just like, all right, this fruit isn't that good.

00:35:03.280 It's not that good.

00:35:04.140 Yeah.

00:35:04.680 What are we going to do with it?

00:35:05.560 Oh, let's dip it in chocolate.

00:35:06.600 That is not the case with Sherry's Berries.

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00:35:34.680 Yeah, I also throw in there the hand-dipped cherries.

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00:36:19.400 Glenn Beck.

00:36:31.160 Glenn Beck.

00:36:32.700 We have the gay wedding cake controversy that is in the Supreme Court yesterday.

00:36:37.880 We're going to get an update on that.

00:36:39.180 We have a Jerusalem update from Ben Shapiro.

00:36:42.800 But we also want to get to some pop culture stuff.

00:36:45.600 There are some amazing movies that are coming out.

00:36:49.400 Amazing movies.

00:36:50.740 The Finest Hour.

00:36:52.440 Winston Churchill.

00:36:53.560 Think of that one.

00:36:54.340 That looks unbelievable.

00:36:56.260 I haven't really wanted to see any movies all year, but right now Star Wars is coming out next week.

00:37:02.040 This week is The Disaster Artist, which I'm really excited about.

00:37:04.980 We talked about it a little bit.

00:37:05.840 We can explain it later.

00:37:06.900 Finest Hour, as you pointed out.

00:37:08.220 Molly's Game, which is about an inside poker game.

00:37:11.000 Crazy real-life story that looks amazing.

00:37:14.700 And then the one about Getty.

00:37:17.940 Yeah, All the Money in the World.

00:37:18.900 All the Money in the World, which looks really, really good.

00:37:21.320 Yeah, some good stuff coming out.

00:37:23.560 And some really good books as well.

00:37:25.960 We'll try to squeeze all that information in as the program continues next.

00:37:30.220 Glenn Beck.

00:37:33.220 Glenn Beck.

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00:38:43.140 Glenn Beck.

00:38:44.620 Time Magazine has just announced their Person of the Year.

00:38:50.120 The Person of the Year.

00:38:54.380 Silence Breakers.

00:38:57.700 Yeah, I know.

00:38:58.520 It's a new boys band.

00:39:00.680 The Silence Breakers.

00:39:02.360 Silence Breakers are the men and women who have finally come forward to talk about the sexual misconduct or assault they experienced at the hands of powerful people.

00:39:12.940 Now, I happen to agree that this is probably the biggest thing that has happened this year.

00:39:17.060 This really makes an impact.

00:39:19.660 But it's not a person.

00:39:23.560 It's people of the year.

00:39:25.520 That's an event of the year.

00:39:27.440 That's a movement of the year.

00:39:28.840 It's not a person of the year.

00:39:32.000 But that's a feud I've been having with Time for quite some time.

00:39:35.280 And they don't seem to care.

00:39:36.580 Speaking up about assaults at the hands of Harvey Weinstein and others like him, Time claims these victims have been humbled and humanized and been humbled and humanized Hollywood.

00:39:49.540 They write.

00:39:51.020 Movie stars are supposedly nothing like you and me.

00:39:53.900 They're svelte, glamorous, self-possessed.

00:39:56.040 They wear dresses we can't afford and live in houses we can only dream of. 0.99

00:40:00.060 And yet, it turns out that in the most painful and personal ways, movie stars are more like you and me than we'll ever know.

00:40:08.820 No, I don't think this is.

00:40:10.440 Do you think this is personalized them?

00:40:13.280 I don't know.

00:40:14.740 Uh-uh.

00:40:15.320 I didn't.

00:40:16.020 Not one story has happened where I thought, you know what?

00:40:19.400 They're just like me.

00:40:20.600 Well, that's because you're a white guy.

00:40:22.460 Uh, yeah.

00:40:23.620 And I can't relate to all of the white guy perpetrators.

00:40:27.340 This is not who we are.

00:40:31.620 I think it's in epidemic proportions wherever there is real power.

00:40:38.080 There is real power in Hollywood.

00:40:41.600 There is real power in D.C.

00:40:44.120 There is real power in the financial sectors.

00:40:48.200 We're just getting started here.

00:40:49.880 It is a fitting homage, uh, by, uh, by time, given the, uh, past three months of nonstop

00:40:56.800 allegations, but I have a problem with it.

00:41:00.080 Juanita Broderick and Paula Jones aren't mentioned by name in Time's article.

00:41:05.320 So does this mean you're only a silence breaker if you claim sexual assault in the past three

00:41:10.960 months?

00:41:11.300 Aren't these silence breakers, Juanita Broderick, weren't they the pioneers that did the hard

00:41:20.740 thing and took it, uh, in the, in the face and, and took the lashes to set the stage for 0.97

00:41:27.920 these silence breakers?

00:41:30.320 Apparently not.

00:41:31.820 Women have been speaking out for years against powerful people and those who abused them. 0.96

00:41:36.340 It's only now that we're actually listening to them and not saying, well, look at the

00:41:41.900 way she was dressed.

00:41:44.080 There are many lessons to be learned from the silence breakers.

00:41:47.380 You're not alone.

00:41:48.860 Even movie stars experience ugly parts of life.

00:41:52.720 Don't be afraid to speak out.

00:41:54.920 If you experience assault of any kind, there's no shame in going to the police immediately.

00:41:59.380 It's the most powerful thing that you can do.

00:42:02.700 And as we've seen recently, the court of public opinion is a very dangerous place.

00:42:08.080 An allegation doesn't immediately make you guilty from either direction.

00:42:14.020 So let's continue to hold up due process and ensure that justice grows and prevails for

00:42:21.820 everyone.

00:42:22.380 It's Wednesday, December 6th.

00:42:30.520 You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

00:42:33.280 Good friend of the program, uh, daily wire, uh, host.

00:42:36.860 And, uh, and I think one of the most important men in the conservative movement today, uh,

00:42:41.980 is Ben Shapiro.

00:42:42.980 He joins us now.

00:42:43.900 Are you up in New York, Ben?

00:42:45.860 I actually know I'm in LA.

00:42:47.040 Okay.

00:42:47.420 A little early, but yeah, well, sorry about that.

00:42:49.280 Um, so, uh, Ben, I wanted to talk to you a little bit.

00:42:52.380 About what the president is claiming he's going to do today.

00:42:55.360 Uh, and that is, uh, announced that, uh, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.

00:43:01.340 If he does that, but he's not announcing, you know, that there is a new embassy that

00:43:07.100 is, we're going to ground break on.

00:43:08.900 Does it matter?

00:43:10.120 And why?

00:43:11.560 So it does matter.

00:43:12.720 Uh, it would matter more if you moved the embassy.

00:43:14.420 The reason that it would matter more is because that's a permanent statement.

00:43:17.180 So him saying that Jerusalem is the eternal undivided capital of Israel.

00:43:20.260 Uh, that's stuff that, that presidential candidates have said before the, the Senate itself voted

00:43:24.780 90, nothing back in June that that was the case.

00:43:27.720 So a political statement by the president is important, but it's always revocable.

00:43:31.340 You could have a new president come in and say, well, you know, we don't necessarily believe

00:43:35.120 what Trump believed and maybe it's up for negotiation.

00:43:37.360 I kind of believe it's the embassy is more permanent.

00:43:39.960 I think it's, it's, it's, uh, you know, Obama's bare ears monument.

00:43:44.080 The next guy comes in and it's whatever he wants.

00:43:47.200 Yeah, I think that's right.

00:43:48.160 Uh, and I think that what I'm hearing from the white house is that the white house is

00:43:52.220 serious about moving the embassy.

00:43:53.340 They're investigating sites right now, but they're going to have to get it done before

00:43:55.880 the next election, obviously, because you can't expect a Democrat to actually fulfill

00:43:59.880 promises that Democrats have been making for 50 years.

00:44:02.780 So it's, it's a big move.

00:44:05.160 It's a big announcement and good for Trump for doing it.

00:44:07.740 Um, but I, I would definitely like to see it made more permanent.

00:44:10.700 Uh, on the other hand, listen, the president of the United States is saying something that

00:44:13.940 takes some moral courage to say in a time when people refuse to recognize both religious

00:44:18.400 and historic reality on the ground.

00:44:21.000 Uh, and that is a grand and good thing.

00:44:23.720 It's, it's definitely a gesture.

00:44:25.120 I think that's meaningful.

00:44:26.200 So Ben, I know that you're a religious guy and those who bless Israel will be blessed.

00:44:30.120 And, you know, uh, those who curse Israel will be cursed.

00:44:33.460 I, I happen to believe that I believe that we, we were a country that was, uh, uh, founded

00:44:39.840 in part by, uh, our desire to restore Israel and to, um, uh, to bring Israel back.

00:44:48.660 I think we played a key role to that.

00:44:50.240 And I've talked to, uh, scholars of the founders who disagreed with me at first and then went

00:44:55.180 back after a year's worth of research and went, Oh crap, I think you're right.

00:44:58.260 Um, so I think we were blessed because of that path.

00:45:02.080 I think we'll be blessed because of this.

00:45:05.600 Um, do you, do you see it that way at all?

00:45:09.420 Yeah, a hundred percent.

00:45:10.360 I mean, number one, I'm a religious Jew.

00:45:11.740 So this means a lot to me as a Jew because Jerusalem is the eternal capital of the Jewish

00:45:16.040 people.

00:45:16.380 I was explaining this this morning on Fox that, you know, when, when in order to understand

00:45:20.840 the, the value of Jerusalem to Israel, you have to take Washington DC and then invest it

00:45:25.160 with godly power and multiply it by a thousand Washington DC was literally a place that we

00:45:29.360 built on a swamp because we didn't want it to be part of any state.

00:45:32.120 Jerusalem was built on a rock because God said so, right?

00:45:36.220 That's the, that's the reason Christians care about it. 0.98

00:45:38.320 It's the reason Muslims care about it. 1.00

00:45:39.660 And it's the reason Jews cared about it a thousand years before, before Christ. 0.98

00:45:42.720 So the idea that, you know, it's not the eternal capital is absurd as far as, you know,

00:45:47.940 whether this is going to be a blessing.

00:45:49.660 I think it'll be a blessing because one of the things politically, just in very practical

00:45:54.200 terms that I think is necessary here is if you actually want a real peace negotiation

00:45:57.940 between the Israelis and the Arabs, that has to be premised on some elements of truth.

00:46:02.380 Israel is not going to give up Jerusalem.

00:46:04.080 Israel is not going to divide Jerusalem.

00:46:06.560 And as soon as the other side recognizes that, as soon as the Arabs recognize that, maybe 0.62

00:46:10.580 they can actually have a negotiation based on reality.

00:46:13.780 Beyond that, one of the things that we're watching the Middle East is something incredible

00:46:16.400 right now, which is this unintended consequence of Obama's unbelievably crappy foreign policy,

00:46:21.540 which is there is this new alliance and pretty strong alliance that's now forming between

00:46:25.420 Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia against the Iranians. 0.92

00:46:27.660 Yeah.

00:46:27.960 And for Trump to basically say, listen, I'm just going to get this Jerusalem thing off the

00:46:32.280 table right now with the Israelis.

00:46:34.200 And you're still going to have an alliance because it's more important for you to ally

00:46:37.060 against Iran than smack the Jews about. 0.83

00:46:39.580 That's a ground shift in the nature of the relationship.

00:46:41.740 And I think something very important.

00:46:43.060 So what do you think is the what do you think of the ramifications of this?

00:46:47.200 What do you see any real ramifications?

00:46:51.240 Well, I think that the Palestinians will try to launch a terror wave, but that's also true 1.00

00:46:54.360 in most days in a while.

00:46:56.120 It's I think that you'll see some regimes like Saudi Arabia and Jordan make mouth platitudes

00:47:01.620 about how they oppose this.

00:47:02.720 But I don't think they're actually going to do anything with any real consequence.

00:47:06.800 Turkey might try to to, you know, pipe in some more supplies to Hamas and the Palestinian 0.95

00:47:11.820 Authority, which have been operating in a quasi unity government for several years.

00:47:16.720 But, you know, again, this is not the first wave of violence that's hit Israel, not even

00:47:21.480 with regard to Jerusalem.

00:47:22.460 I mean, I wrote an entire piece over at Daily Wire tracing the history of violence with

00:47:25.860 regard to Jerusalem.

00:47:26.920 The reason that the Muslim world doesn't want to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital

00:47:30.920 is because they don't want to recognize Israel as existing.

00:47:33.640 I mean, Jerusalem is the heart of Israel.

00:47:34.980 If Jerusalem is not Jewish, then neither is Tel Aviv, neither is neither is Jaffa, neither 0.95

00:47:39.560 is any other Jewish city in Israel.

00:47:42.160 So the recognition of Jerusalem that's here to stay, that it's Israeli territory, that may

00:47:47.640 be an ugly truth for a lot of for a lot of anti-Semitic Muslims.

00:47:50.720 But it is also a truth that is not going to change.

00:47:53.440 So as I was trying to look at this today and put this into perspective, you know, as a

00:47:58.600 lover of history, I look at this and I say, in my lifetime, born in 1964, there are very

00:48:05.500 few things that I would say had real ramifications, eternal ramifications, big ramifications like

00:48:12.940 the fall of the Berlin Wall, the defeat of communism.

00:48:16.360 I believe this is one of the biggest events.

00:48:19.340 If they move the capital, I believe this is one of the biggest events of my lifetime.

00:48:24.360 Would you agree with that?

00:48:25.460 It certainly could be.

00:48:26.200 Yeah, it certainly could be.

00:48:26.960 I mean, if they if they move the embassy to Jerusalem, then it does set a new groundwork

00:48:32.380 and it makes it difficult for the United States ever to back off of that.

00:48:35.500 It puts Israelis in charge of their own fate. 1.00

00:48:37.480 I mean, basically, Bill Clinton, since since Oslo, too many presidents have held the fate

00:48:42.360 of Israel's future in their hands, as opposed to letting the Israelis hold their own future 0.99

00:48:46.900 in their hands.

00:48:47.300 We really shouldn't be part of these negotiations in the first place.

00:48:49.560 I mean, these are bilateral negotiations.

00:48:51.260 The United States has very little to do with it.

00:48:53.740 It's an important thing.

00:48:54.760 It's an important moral step, because the because the more that we recognize that, number

00:49:00.940 one, we don't get to boss our allies around.

00:49:03.260 And number two, the more that we recognize that Israel is a force for good for the region

00:49:06.780 and we understand our own role in the world.

00:49:08.460 Our role in the world is as a freedom loving country that helps out freedom loving allies.

00:49:13.300 It's not as, quote unquote, honest broker between freedom loving countries and terrorism and

00:49:17.660 tyranny loving countries. 0.97

00:49:19.000 I think that that's going to set American foreign policy on a new tack that has been desperately

00:49:22.600 needed for a long time.

00:49:24.280 So can I be really crass here and now look at this politically?

00:49:29.140 You know, the timing is really interesting to me.

00:49:34.320 And, you know, out of all of the people on the stage, you know, the 17 candidates, I just

00:49:40.700 did not think he was going to be the guy that would actually come through with this because

00:49:44.980 this takes massive stones to do.

00:49:47.240 And you also have to really believe it.

00:49:49.740 And I don't think I mean, while he has, you know, some Jewish influence in his family

00:49:56.080 now, I don't think that's enough to do something like this.

00:49:59.560 Usually it comes from a religious zeal that you've this is right and righteous.

00:50:06.740 So let me just float this by Ben and see what you think.

00:50:10.460 I think I think the president is in much more trouble than he wants to let on or anybody

00:50:17.400 on the right wants to let on.

00:50:19.080 Maybe not as much trouble as the left seems to hope for, but he's in real trouble.

00:50:24.240 And this gives him you can only you can only pick the bones of the Gorsuch nomination for

00:50:30.200 so long.

00:50:31.420 And this, again, puts him into a situation with a lot of groups, especially evangelical Christians,

00:50:39.260 where you kind of put up with a lot of stuff and kind of defend because you're like, look,

00:50:47.500 that has happened.

00:50:49.020 I mean, I don't know who else would have given us that.

00:50:52.480 And it seems to me that it could be a political maneuver to shore up some real fight to the

00:51:02.280 end of the battle supporters.

00:51:05.100 It might be definitely a possibility.

00:51:06.400 No, I mean, I don't want to psychoanalyze the president because I think that's a fool.

00:51:10.880 But I also think that, you know, the the timing of it is interesting.

00:51:15.620 This has been the truth is I've never seen anything like the last two weeks have been

00:51:20.180 so good for conservatives on policy.

00:51:22.360 Yeah.

00:51:22.740 I mean, everything from from the tax cuts to the National Park stuff to Jerusalem.

00:51:27.400 I mean, this is really like hardcore good stuff for conservatives.

00:51:30.820 And at the same time, the rhetoric that's coming out of the administration about things like

00:51:34.540 Roy Moore are really a problem.

00:51:37.400 And I do agree with you that I think that there may be a political attempt to shore this

00:51:40.900 up.

00:51:41.080 But I will say that everyone that I know who surrounds the president, and I've gotten to

00:51:44.420 know some members of the administration relatively well, everyone who surrounds the president

00:51:47.960 does believe this stuff, the Jerusalem stuff down to their bones. 0.88

00:51:50.520 I'm not just talking about Jared Ivanka.

00:51:52.340 I'm talking about Vice President Pence.

00:51:53.960 Oh, yeah.

00:51:54.160 I know.

00:51:54.360 The people who are very close to the White House.

00:51:56.080 This is stuff that they really one of the things that you're right of the people on

00:52:00.800 the stage who would pledge to do this.

00:52:02.740 Trump was the person who I didn't trust the most.

00:52:04.880 But it does show for all people keep saying that on the left, that the Republican Party

00:52:09.800 is, you know, quasi anti-Semitic and all of this nonsense.

00:52:13.560 The fact is that I think that Trump was not the only guy on the stage who actually would

00:52:17.220 have done it.

00:52:17.620 I mean, the fact that he's done it, he gets the credit, obviously.

00:52:19.600 But I think Ted Cruz would have done it.

00:52:20.960 I think he's going to show Marco Rubio would have done it.

00:52:22.760 I think that there were a bunch of candidates on the stage who would have.

00:52:24.880 This has become a very strong issue for Republicans.

00:52:27.680 So in that sense, I think you're right.

00:52:28.960 It's one way of shoring up the base.

00:52:31.040 But, you know, I'm not going to detract from the president for doing the moral thing just

00:52:34.200 because it's politically advantageous.

00:52:35.740 Yeah, I don't want to try.

00:52:36.400 I don't want to try.

00:52:37.000 In fact, I want to do the opposite.

00:52:38.920 I think if he does this.

00:52:40.580 Yeah.

00:52:40.860 If he does this and he moves the the embassy, it's one of the bravest moves I've seen

00:52:46.700 probably since Ronald Reagan said that's an evil empire and needs to be destroyed.

00:52:51.860 I think that's right.

00:52:52.780 I think that's exactly right.

00:52:53.680 And I think that it's very similar in the way that the less has responded.

00:52:57.800 The international commotion.

00:52:59.020 Oh, this is going to be so terrible.

00:53:01.020 It's going to lead to World War Three. 0.80

00:53:02.560 It's going to be a conflagration.

00:53:04.200 You know, it's really going to happen.

00:53:05.460 Countries have interests in the world.

00:53:07.740 Saudi Arabia does not care that much about Jerusalem.

00:53:09.980 You know how I know that?

00:53:10.580 Because last week, the New York Times reported that Saudi Arabia was actually going to the

00:53:14.100 Palestinians and telling them, you guys need to back off this Jerusalem thing and just 0.99

00:53:18.000 cut a deal with Israel and be done here. 0.93

00:53:20.020 Saudi Arabia has no interest in this.

00:53:21.780 The Jordanian kingdom has no interest in this.

00:53:24.400 So the idea that they're all going to suddenly stand up on their hind legs because they're

00:53:27.560 so mad that that Trump says that Jerusalem is part of Israel, which it always has been

00:53:31.920 always will be.

00:53:32.700 You know, I think that that's that's a lot of leftist claptrap.

00:53:36.240 Ben Shapiro.

00:53:37.020 Thank you very much.

00:53:37.780 God bless.

00:53:39.900 Editor in chief.

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00:53:52.480 Could anything else have happened in 2017?

00:53:54.920 I mean, look at the history we're going to do.

00:53:59.140 Is it next week or a week after?

00:54:00.660 We're going to be doing some shows on just a year in review.

00:54:03.300 Oh, my gosh.

00:54:04.200 I'm hesitant because at the end of 2016, I was like, oh, let's get this year over with

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00:54:09.680 And then 2017 is happening.

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00:55:44.840 Glenn back.

00:55:46.140 There are so many things going on in the world and, you know, I'm doing a lot of I'm doing

00:55:55.700 a ton of reading right now.

00:55:57.400 I want to share my book list with you before Christmas.

00:56:00.700 If you know anybody, I'm reading a lot of novels, but I'm also reading a lot of science

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00:56:07.740 I want to share some of those titles with you because there's some really good stuff that

00:56:11.180 I've read recently, but as I'm looking into science, I am I am more optimistic about the

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00:56:29.900 The the the the medical advances that we're going to make by 2030.

00:56:37.460 Ray Kurzweil was right.

00:56:38.900 He told me this about 2003.

00:56:41.240 Glenn, just stay healthy until 2030 and medicine will take it from there.

00:56:47.880 And so you heard him say that and then completely ignored it.

00:56:50.360 I completely ignored it.

00:56:51.480 I thought it was easier to stay healthy.

00:56:52.820 So but I think he's right.

00:56:57.460 I think he's right.

00:56:58.320 The stuff that I am reading about medicine is remarkable.

00:57:03.900 And little things like, you know, the Apple Watch or the step, you know, counters, the

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00:57:25.640 does a chemical analysis of the drink and tells you what's in it, if there's any drug in it

00:57:32.000 or anything else.

00:57:32.980 But you can do that with food.

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00:57:43.000 When you tie that with your Fitbit, you will that will start to get so much information

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00:58:10.480 OK, him, it will probably say, you know, no, it won't remove any time from your life, but

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00:58:30.180 And if if you're working out, they're now getting so precise that if you are working

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00:58:46.880 So I spend 30 minutes jogging after the first 25.

00:58:49.760 I get 30 minutes added to my life.

00:58:51.960 But the first 25 are important.

00:58:54.560 That's going to change everything.

00:58:55.860 Glenn Beck.

00:59:00.180 You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

00:59:09.600 President and CEO of First Liberty Institute, Kelly Shackelford, a guy who is is watching

00:59:16.400 and fighting some of the biggest battles for religious freedom in the country, was actually

00:59:20.940 in the Supreme Court yesterday and heard the arguments on on both sides with the Supreme

00:59:27.560 Court on the the wedding case, the wedding cake case.

00:59:33.060 Kelly will give us a real quick recap of the case in case you don't know it out of Colorado

00:59:38.080 and then tell us what happened.

00:59:40.160 Welcome to the program, Kelly.

00:59:41.840 Oh, happy to be on, Glenn.

00:59:43.060 So a real quick recap of the case for anybody who who doesn't know what it is.

00:59:47.420 There's been a number of these people probably heard of whether florist or baker or whatever.

00:59:51.280 We even have a case out of Oregon that a lot of people have heard about with two bakers. 0.99

00:59:58.420 This is Aaron and Melissa Klein, who were actually because they came in somebody who they sold

01:00:03.260 them baked goods.

01:00:04.000 But then they said, we want you to do our wedding cake.

01:00:05.820 It was two women in that case. 1.00

01:00:07.400 And they said, we can't do that because of our religious beliefs.

01:00:10.340 But we're happy to sell you anything else.

01:00:12.200 We're happy to send you just a few doors down to somebody who'll do that.

01:00:15.400 Next thing they knew, they were being prosecuted by the state of Oregon.

01:00:18.780 They've been fined $125,000.

01:00:22.140 Their business has been bankrupted.

01:00:23.920 And they were ordered by the judge not to speak publicly their beliefs on this issue because

01:00:29.300 it might be a further violation.

01:00:31.300 That case is still going.

01:00:32.480 So that's how we got involved in being very concerned about this case that was argued

01:00:37.040 yesterday, which is Jack Phillips, a baker from Denver, who very similar situation.

01:00:43.420 Two men came in, said, we'd like you to do a custom cake for us, just like our client.

01:00:48.220 And he said, look, I'll sell you anything off the shelf, anything I've got.

01:00:51.760 But I can't customly, you know, make a cake because I'm expressing something.

01:00:55.840 And I have a faith belief about what marriage is and what God says.

01:00:59.140 And it's a sacred union.

01:01:00.500 And so, you know, said to be happy to refer him or to sell him anything he had.

01:01:04.780 Now, Kelly, it's important to point out here that this guy has done this before, not

01:01:07.840 just homosexuals. 0.99

01:01:09.260 It's not the deal.

01:01:10.000 He sells to anybody and anything, but he says, you know, when I have to actually do

01:01:15.320 something, for instance, Halloween, I won't make any Halloween stuff because I don't I

01:01:20.060 believe it's a, you know, a front to God.

01:01:22.240 And so it's it's not a gay thing with him.

01:01:25.280 No, it's he sells gladly like every one of these cases I've ever heard of.

01:01:29.860 The people sell to LGBT without question. 0.99

01:01:34.900 It's just when they are asked to participate in a ceremony that obviously is a sacred ceremony

01:01:40.020 to most people, they say, well, wait, I can't express something because you're asking me

01:01:45.420 to sort of express something that I can't express because I don't agree with that.

01:01:48.880 And that's where the rubber hits the road here.

01:01:51.520 And so in this case with Jack, they they basically the state of Colorado said that you're either

01:01:58.960 going to have to stop doing wedding cakes or, you know, or you're or you're going to

01:02:04.100 have to, you know, make gay wedding cakes for people who ask you to make those.

01:02:08.920 And he decided to to, you know, while this is going on, he was also ordered, by the way,

01:02:14.060 to to train his people in the proper thinking, which includes his own family members, which

01:02:20.740 that came up in the oral argument yesterday, too.

01:02:22.740 So it's really this whole thing is really creepy to anybody who gets freedom.

01:02:26.600 The idea of the government forcing citizens to express things that they not only don't

01:02:32.920 agree with, but that violate their beliefs, it's it's really sort of the ultimate of an

01:02:39.440 attack on freedom.

01:02:40.380 And so so yesterday, yesterday, yesterday you were sitting in the in the courtroom and somebody

01:02:47.700 from Think Progress tweeted out after the arguments for the the people who were going

01:02:54.920 after the baker, Think Progress tweeted out, this was horrible.

01:02:59.960 I mean, they really dropped the ball.

01:03:02.200 It does not look good for our side.

01:03:04.000 That was according to Think Progress.

01:03:05.500 Did you get that impression yesterday?

01:03:07.780 Yeah, I mean, I went in, Glenn, thinking that there was probably a 10 percent chance that

01:03:12.400 our side would win because Justice Kennedy is the swingboat.

01:03:16.380 And he's been, you know, pretty consistent on all the LGBT cases.

01:03:22.740 He's written all the, you know, gay marriage decision, the the Lawrence v.

01:03:27.140 Texas decision.

01:03:27.860 And we could go down the line.

01:03:29.940 And and so everybody looks at him knowing he's probably going to be the swingboat who

01:03:33.940 decides the case.

01:03:35.220 And well, yesterday he started out seemed to be a little hostile.

01:03:40.060 He said to the Solicitor General of the United States, essentially said, look, if if we were

01:03:43.880 to give you a victory here and then the result of this is, you know, people, bakers are encouraged

01:03:48.960 all over the country not to sell wedding cakes to gay people.

01:03:52.480 Would you be happy with that?

01:03:54.880 Like what you've created in this country?

01:03:57.020 It was really kind of a disdainful kind of question.

01:03:59.280 And I thought, oh, boy, that's not a good start.

01:04:01.280 But then things started to turn when the other side, when the ACLU and the other side, the

01:04:06.080 state of Colorado got up and started arguing for this, because there is evidence in the

01:04:10.820 record, like one of the commissioners who made this decision had some really religiously bigoted

01:04:18.440 anti-religious comments in in his statements.

01:04:22.620 And Justice Kennedy was clearly angry about that.

01:04:26.060 And a number of questions were asked about and, for instance, not only that, but some

01:04:31.660 somebody went to some bakers and said, hey, I want you to do a cake in the shape of a Bible

01:04:36.180 that says that, you know, homosexuality is wrong and they wouldn't do it. 0.81

01:04:41.220 And so he filed with this same commission and the commission said that, no, the bakers didn't

01:04:46.740 have to do it in that case.

01:04:48.780 So.

01:04:49.160 Oh, wow.

01:04:50.300 Yeah.

01:04:50.780 So, I mean, you've got just clear, you know, viewpoint discrimination.

01:04:54.680 They try to explain it, but it's really a lame excuse.

01:04:57.660 And so you put those together and what you have here is a state, a commission that's clearly

01:05:03.600 somewhat, you know, directly bigoted and hostile against people of faith who hold a different

01:05:08.160 belief than they do on this issue.

01:05:10.420 And Justice Kennedy and a number of other justices really honed in on that.

01:05:13.840 And that's what I think probably made ThinkProgress a little concerned, because Kennedy is the swing

01:05:19.360 boat and he was obviously he he wasn't just perturbed.

01:05:22.920 He asked them, he said, have they renounced this statement?

01:05:26.360 And the attorney had to say, no, it hasn't been formally renounced.

01:05:30.160 He said, well, are you renouncing it now?

01:05:32.240 Well, I mean, he was really pressing the attorney for the state that had engaged in that type

01:05:38.440 of religious discrimination in their speech before they punished Jack and and his workplace.

01:05:44.320 We're talking to Kelly Shackelford about the the case that's been seemingly in the news for

01:05:50.220 a long time.

01:05:51.260 Masterpiece cake.

01:05:52.280 This one's a masterpiece cake.

01:05:54.240 One of the amazing moment, I thought, from the arguments yesterday was with Justice Sotomayor.

01:06:00.880 The commentary was, this is be a grave offense to the First Amendment to compel a person that

01:06:06.400 believes that marriage is sacred to give voice to a different view of marriage and require

01:06:09.960 them to celebrate that marriage.

01:06:11.120 Justice Sotomayor's answer to that was, then don't participate in weddings.

01:06:16.080 Yeah.

01:06:16.660 And it's just that's that's an incredible moment.

01:06:19.640 I mean, that is seemingly their answer that instead of, you know, just pragmatically someone

01:06:25.020 to come and get a cake.

01:06:26.480 And if they decided they couldn't get it from that baker to just go to another baker to try

01:06:30.220 to compel every person who's in the situation to just pull out of all weddings, no matter

01:06:35.120 what, is this really their viewpoint of how this works?

01:06:38.800 Oh, yeah, this is definitely their viewpoint.

01:06:41.120 And they don't even care that it's speech.

01:06:43.300 They think that the speech issues here are small compared to the what they feel are the

01:06:48.280 equality issues that are more important.

01:06:50.700 So the First Amendment essentially folds in their worldview and in what they're trying

01:06:55.980 to get the court to do.

01:06:57.020 And Justice Sotomayor clearly holds that opinion as well.

01:07:00.240 I mean, she filibustered a lot of the time, in fact, yesterday when the baker's lawyer was

01:07:05.580 up arguing.

01:07:06.620 So it it was it's pretty it's a striking, you know, you see these two big things, accommodation

01:07:12.080 laws that were they go way back to when, you know, we had people who were black, who people

01:07:18.020 would not allow them to have a hotel room or or eat in a restaurant.

01:07:21.520 And that's why these laws were created to stop, you know, not serving people and not allowing 0.98

01:07:28.140 them in your establishment because of their race.

01:07:30.800 And now it's being used in a way that I don't think anybody really ever had any idea that

01:07:36.280 it would be used.

01:07:36.900 It's being used to try to force people to affirmatively engage in, you know, expression

01:07:42.160 that they disagree with.

01:07:44.860 And that's just a bridge too far.

01:07:46.540 I think most people realize when you get to that point, wait a second, now we're having

01:07:50.600 the government do something that I don't think any American ever thought the government would

01:07:55.740 be able to do, which is compel citizens to speak something against their conscience and

01:07:59.880 their belief and their faith.

01:08:01.380 It does seem like it's incredible.

01:08:02.780 Kelly, it does seem like there were two arguments being made.

01:08:06.400 One was these people should have the, because of their religious freedom, should be able

01:08:10.340 to do what they want based on their religion.

01:08:12.380 And the other was they're artists and they should be able, they shouldn't be forced to

01:08:16.880 create art that they don't want to participate in.

01:08:20.140 It seemed like Kennedy was less positive on the art argument and more connected with the

01:08:27.160 religious argument.

01:08:27.940 Is that fair to say?

01:08:29.400 Yeah.

01:08:29.620 I think, you know, the problem, the argument about it being, you know, art and therefore

01:08:35.260 free speech and protected is they didn't know where to draw that line.

01:08:40.740 What is art and what isn't art, right?

01:08:42.600 So is the, one of the jokes made by, I think it was Justice Kagan was, what about a hairstylist?

01:08:50.280 Isn't that artistic?

01:08:51.540 And what about a crucifix at a jar of urine?

01:08:55.600 Is that art?

01:08:56.460 I mean, I, you know, I think we've been down this road.

01:09:00.380 Yeah.

01:09:00.600 And that they didn't like the fact that it was going to be so wide open that they were

01:09:03.920 scared that it would allow for all kinds of people to exempt out of, of these laws when

01:09:09.640 it came to baking a wedding cake or, or any other thing connected with the wedding, being

01:09:14.020 the chauffeur, et cetera.

01:09:15.860 And so that was the concern on the one side.

01:09:18.140 And so I think what Kennedy honed in on and what not only Kennedy, but Gorsuch and Roberts

01:09:23.220 and a number of other, uh, of the justices, um, was the fact of the intentional, the, the,

01:09:30.060 the very specific statement by the commissioner.

01:09:33.080 Now, in fact, a couple of commissioners had statements that clearly showed they really had

01:09:37.800 little respect for people's religious beliefs.

01:09:39.820 And in fact, that there was clear bias in, in their decision against Jack Phillips, uh, in this

01:09:46.140 case.

01:09:46.460 And so that is a pretty narrow ruling.

01:09:49.100 If they rule that way, they would say, look, this is religious bigotry.

01:09:53.020 Uh, this was religious hostility.

01:09:54.980 Uh, we don't have government, uh, you know, discriminating against people because of their

01:09:59.340 personal dislike for people's religious beliefs.

01:10:01.720 And they could simply overturn it on that.

01:10:03.700 And they really sort of wouldn't solve the issue for future cases.

01:10:07.560 Um, and then they would avoid a lot of these very tough issues that are sort of being battled

01:10:13.280 over yesterday, but they were being done.

01:10:15.620 So with a court that's very fractured, we kind of have four conservatives, four liberals,

01:10:19.620 and one who's kind of jumping back and forth at this point.

01:10:22.160 And that obviously might change in the future if the president has a few more appointments.

01:10:26.420 But that also, I mean, it, it would be a, a decent ruling.

01:10:31.200 I mean, it would still leave it murky, but it would be a decent ruling for anybody like

01:10:35.780 this guy who's really, truly on the record of this is what my belief is.

01:10:40.940 And I mean, I don't do Halloween stuff.

01:10:44.040 Um, you know, and so it's, it's quite clear, um, you know, and that, you know, it's, it's

01:10:50.440 hard to judge how sincere people are on their religion.

01:10:53.480 Um, however, it would be a step in the right direction that somebody who has a clear record

01:10:58.000 of, of their faith, leave them alone, wouldn't it?

01:11:01.780 And yeah.

01:11:02.520 And I, Glenn, I'll tell you that the, the, the, really the big sort of dividing point

01:11:07.480 between the two sides, as you, as you want, you know, listen to the argument is one side

01:11:13.060 was saying constantly that Jack Phillips denied these people, uh, this, this wedding cake

01:11:20.360 service because of who they were because they were, were gay.

01:11:24.240 And Jack's side would say, no, it wasn't because of who they were.

01:11:28.860 It was because of the message that he was being told to send.

01:11:32.720 Um, and the other side couldn't sort of separate that, that essentially, if you don't agree with

01:11:38.760 same sex marriage, you're really discriminated against them because of who they are.

01:11:44.640 And again, Jack would say, no, I would sell to anybody.

01:11:48.020 Uh, it's just the message that you're asking me to create that I can't create.

01:11:52.100 And that's the, the difference, uh, that, I don't know, you, both sides were talking

01:11:57.040 and nobody was convincing the other side.

01:11:59.380 Um, but if everybody who has a different belief is all of a sudden discriminating,

01:12:03.940 then, you know, uh, there's no right to disagree.

01:12:08.220 Yeah, that's right.

01:12:08.940 I mean, the government is now able to actually forcibly compel you.

01:12:13.960 In this case, again, one of the other disturbing things that Justice Gorsuch asked about, he said,

01:12:18.540 I'm even concerned about your punishment, which is forcing Jack to train his employees,

01:12:25.440 including its family members in a belief he didn't agree with.

01:12:29.740 Um, that's creepy on its own level.

01:12:32.220 And he asked the government about that.

01:12:34.380 And, uh, that's where this sort of conflict goes though, right?

01:12:38.760 Uh, if you don't have the right belief, they want to force you in line.

01:12:42.520 And, um, we're supposed to have the right to disagree.

01:12:46.420 Tolerance, tolerance goes both ways.

01:12:48.920 Kelly, last question for you.

01:12:49.800 I think maybe the most important part of this was Justice Gorsuch's stand against, uh, wedding cakes generally.

01:12:56.600 He said, I've, I've yet to have a wedding cake that I would say tastes great.

01:13:00.920 Do you agree with that analysis?

01:13:02.160 Because I, I think I do.

01:13:04.200 Yeah.

01:13:04.760 Yeah.

01:13:04.980 He was making, he was making the point that most of the wedding cakes are, are, are,

01:13:09.380 the reason they're so expensive is not that they taste great.

01:13:11.840 It's not.

01:13:13.160 It's true.

01:13:13.720 Uh, Kelly, I've, I've, I've just got about 10 seconds left.

01:13:16.680 When, when are we expecting any kind of decision on this?

01:13:19.780 Well, normally we would expect it quicker, but most people are, are guessing because this

01:13:23.700 is so controversial, they typically will wait till the very end of their term, which

01:13:27.900 would be June 27th to release that opinion.

01:13:30.680 Okay.

01:13:31.100 Thanks a lot.

01:13:31.960 Appreciate it.

01:13:32.760 God bless.

01:13:33.820 Oh, thank you.

01:13:35.240 Kelly Shackelford, president and CEO of First Liberty Institute.

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01:15:12.200 Glenn Beck.

01:15:20.160 Glenn Beck.

01:15:30.900 Welcome to the program.

01:15:40.980 A lot, a lot yet to discuss.

01:15:44.740 We have Tim Ballard in, in just a minute.

01:15:47.500 He's going to give us an update on, on the Nazarene fund and some of the missions that we

01:15:52.940 are starting and some of the things that we're doing right now, saving people in the Middle

01:15:57.220 East.

01:15:57.520 It's a remarkable story.

01:15:59.500 Stick around for that.

01:16:00.520 And what you can do with pop tarts.

01:16:03.480 Glenn Beck.

01:16:03.940 Yes.

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01:16:13.620 Truth.

01:16:14.860 Glenn Beck.

01:16:15.600 Every night during the 2014 Winter Olympics in Russia and Sochi, Dr. R waited for delivery

01:16:23.100 of the list.

01:16:24.200 The list contained the name of Russian athletes so elite and on the top of their sport that

01:16:30.700 they had to cheat by taking steroids.

01:16:33.740 And just after midnight, a secret signal told Dr. R it was time to go to room 124.

01:16:39.860 Secret room built by the Russians attached to room one 25, the gold room, not where the

01:16:46.880 Olympic gold medals were stored.

01:16:49.160 This was a liquid gold storage room.

01:16:53.860 This was the Olympics urine sample lab.

01:16:57.000 So once Dr. R was in place, another Russian official in the gold room passed urine samples 0.54

01:17:02.400 through a secret hole in the wall.

01:17:04.380 He obviously had to be good aim, but once he calibrated a steady stream of urine, I mean,

01:17:11.660 this is a sample, mind you, flowed through the wall into the other room to Dr. R.

01:17:17.840 Then, because these were special Swiss engineered urine sample bottles, Dr. R passed them to a

01:17:24.560 Russian FSB officer who whisked them, almost said whisked them, whisked them to a secret

01:17:33.980 building nearby where the tamper-proof bottle caps were completely tampered with.

01:17:38.560 A few hours later, the bottles were returned to Dr. R with the caps magically loosened.

01:17:43.480 Now Dr. R got to work and emptied the bottles.

01:17:46.500 He cleaned them, replaced them with non-steroid urine, and the bottles were slipped back through

01:17:51.160 the hole in the wall to room 25.

01:17:52.620 I mean, this is crazy.

01:17:54.920 Vladimir Putin was behind this.

01:17:58.300 I mean, they were cool with this.

01:18:00.680 It was a way for him to have his cake and eat it too, hosting the Olympics and winning

01:18:04.580 33 medals, a third of which were won by Russian athletes who were part of this elaborate

01:18:11.320 doping program where you're peeing through the wall.

01:18:14.960 All fun and games until the whistleblowers show up, one of whom was Dr. R.

01:18:19.600 He blew the tamper-proof lid off of Russia's doping scheme, and yesterday, for the first 0.56

01:18:24.880 time in its history, the International Olympic Committee banned Russia from participating in

01:18:29.380 the 2018 Games in South Korea.

01:18:32.340 Putin says, what a surprise, U.S.

01:18:35.160 conspiracy and retaliation for alleged Russian interference in our election.

01:18:39.760 Yeah, I don't think America cares that much about the Winter Olympics, Vlad.

01:18:45.300 I just don't.

01:18:46.980 If I were in the Olympic Committee, I would look into joining the Witness Protection Program, 1.00

01:18:52.680 however, like Dr. R. already has.

01:18:55.860 He is currently living in an undisclosed location here in the U.S.

01:19:00.700 If you have to go into a Witness Protection Program because you helped Vladimir Putin's

01:19:08.400 people pee through a wall, what won't this guy kill you for?

01:19:20.440 It's Wednesday, December 6th.

01:19:22.980 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:19:25.620 Tim Ballard is here.

01:19:27.700 Tim's world is a little upside down, wouldn't you say?

01:19:29.620 It is, yeah.

01:19:31.200 Have you peed through any walls lately?

01:19:32.580 Not lately.

01:19:33.220 Not lately.

01:19:34.020 Tim Ballard is the founder and CEO of Operation Underground Railroad.

01:19:38.260 He serves as OUR's jump team commander for rescue operations.

01:19:43.320 He has spent over a decade working as a special agent for the Department of Homeland Security.

01:19:47.240 He was assigned to the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, deployed undercover,

01:19:52.900 worked for the U.S. child sex tourism jump team.

01:19:56.480 He has dedicated his life now to saving children and saving slaves all around the world.

01:20:03.620 We have also just named him the chairman of the Nazarene Fund.

01:20:07.780 And so now his team and our team are working together to not only finish what we started in Syria and Iraq,

01:20:17.240 where he's got some amazing news for us, but also to expand now into Africa, northern Africa in particular.

01:20:27.700 So we are going to take this on globally.

01:20:30.300 Welcome, Tim.

01:20:31.500 Thank you.

01:20:32.000 Great to be here.

01:20:32.640 So tell me what this means for the Nazarene Fund.

01:20:38.060 Where's the Nazarene Fund?

01:20:39.480 Where are we going?

01:20:41.180 I think you said it's global now with still an emphasis on the Middle East and with an emphasis on the Christian communities there

01:20:48.860 that are continuously being persecuted in different ways.

01:20:53.100 It doesn't matter if, you know, for example, we know that the Nazarene Fund did an amazing job moving thousands of people and families out as ISIS was rolling in.

01:21:04.160 But not all of them got out.

01:21:05.660 And even though ISIS has been pushed out of many of those regions, they took some of those people with them.

01:21:11.940 Thousands of those people.

01:21:13.300 Children are stuck with them.

01:21:15.040 We just rescued a three-year-old girl who was used as a sex slave.

01:21:19.320 That's right.

01:21:19.820 Two weeks ago.

01:21:21.060 We rescued a three-year-old girl who's used as a sex slave. 0.91

01:21:23.940 And she was a toy because she was a Christian. 1.00

01:21:27.920 That's right.

01:21:28.400 These kids, if they're Christian, they are seen as animals, as subhumans, and they'll do anything they want to them. 1.00

01:21:35.480 And they are sex slaves. 1.00

01:21:36.840 And there's thousands of these kids, these Christian, Enyazidi kids who are stuck. 1.00

01:21:41.320 And we are going in and getting them out.

01:21:43.240 And the wives and the mothers are there.

01:21:46.460 And many times the moms have to watch their children be abused and their children have to watch mom being abused. 1.00

01:21:54.880 It's the most horrifying thing we could dream up.

01:21:59.660 So, you know, you say that.

01:22:02.260 And then I'm going to turn the corner into something that is even darker than that, I think.

01:22:10.020 Maybe not because these people die right away.

01:22:13.240 But we were alerted about a year ago at the Nazarene Fund.

01:22:20.480 And we were presented evidence that there is organ trafficking going on.

01:22:25.260 That one way for the radicals to make money is to capture Christians and harvest them for organs.

01:22:35.260 And we couldn't believe it.

01:22:37.600 We were presented with videotape that is just horrifying.

01:22:41.940 Your team and our team went and verified the location that this did happen at this location.

01:22:49.600 We couldn't find any of the people.

01:22:51.280 Can you tell us a little bit about the organ harvesting thing that's now happening?

01:22:56.220 It is horrifying.

01:22:57.760 Like you said, I didn't think things could get darker than sex slavery.

01:23:02.600 And I'm not trying to compare the two.

01:23:04.300 But this is its own kind of unique darkness.

01:23:08.200 And these guys need to make money.

01:23:09.760 They are trying to make money.

01:23:10.800 And they'll exploit and do anything they can.

01:23:13.020 And it is a big market to get organs.

01:23:16.100 Particularly pediatric hearts are very hard to come by.

01:23:19.860 And they have these kids.

01:23:20.840 And they say, we're going to do it.

01:23:21.840 And they're doing it.

01:23:23.400 We can't reveal details.

01:23:25.160 But we have guys on the ground right now.

01:23:28.140 Can you talk about what's going to happen in January?

01:23:30.360 We will have a report in January that we're working on right now with the intel that we're getting that will, I think, will blow your mind what's going on.

01:23:40.980 We're tapping into things that we didn't, we're surprised by.

01:23:44.880 We knew it existed.

01:23:45.640 We didn't think it was this big.

01:23:48.520 But this is a very real market.

01:23:50.660 And this is, we're getting in, getting the intel, working with the authorities.

01:23:55.260 Will you, at that time, or not, will you be able to mention the names of the countries that are involved?

01:24:05.440 Or do we have to keep that quiet?

01:24:07.400 Right now, it has to be quiet.

01:24:08.800 By the end of January, we'll make a determination of what we can show.

01:24:12.600 But we're planning on, we're planning footage.

01:24:14.640 We're planning to show your audience footage of what this is and what is really happening.

01:24:19.420 And the reason why we wouldn't tell you what countries are involved is because we would want to be able to go in and infiltrate and shut this down.

01:24:29.820 But you would be shocked at, you'd be shocked.

01:24:34.560 You'd be shocked if it turns out to be accurate.

01:24:36.980 Does it look like it's turning out?

01:24:38.060 It looks like it's very accurate.

01:24:39.540 Yes.

01:24:40.300 Any idea how many people are involved in this?

01:24:43.400 I mean, how many, do they just go and buy these kids on the open market?

01:24:47.340 Are they just, how many are?

01:24:49.380 So we estimate about 6,000 people, a lot of kids that did not make it out, that ISIS and or other criminal organizations in the region got a hold of.

01:25:01.260 And these are the ones we're looking for.

01:25:03.260 And these are the ones that are currently being threatened, you know, to be sold in the organ harvesting market or the sex slavery market.

01:25:10.580 So we're talking, it's in the thousands of people who are stuck, these Christian minorities, these Yazidi minority groups. 0.96

01:25:17.340 And so there's so much money to be made there for these dark, dark people. 1.00

01:25:23.100 So, Tim, you know, one of the things that I've always loved about Operation Underground Railroad is that you don't just go get them.

01:25:28.940 You, you, the aftercare is so important.

01:25:32.760 You're not, you're, you're not going to be able.

01:25:35.740 When we were in Mexico, the things that these women told me that they had gone through for a decade, a decade, there is no way to heal on your own.

01:25:49.800 And as I talked to them in one of the safe houses, in one of the places that you fund that is, you know, doing rehabilitation, doing counseling, getting them back into school.

01:26:03.060 It is totally transforming these people.

01:26:07.340 How are we doing in the Middle East on these children that were given as gifts to people?

01:26:16.380 And after they watch their possibly their mom, but definitely their dad be beheaded for Christ.

01:26:22.960 The aftercare part in the Middle East is just like with O. 1.00

01:26:26.260 You are same thing with Nazarene. 0.53

01:26:27.940 It is paramount.

01:26:29.120 We have amazing partners.

01:26:30.220 I know you've met a lot of those partners already.

01:26:32.660 It's a different, it's a different kind of dynamic where aftercare is not seen as a culturally accepted thing in, in, in, in those regions, which is so sad.

01:26:41.320 So a lot of our aftercare has to be almost secretive.

01:26:44.040 So, so there was, there was a, I saw a video from the Nazarene Fund where we had just captured, I don't know if you saw this one.

01:26:51.720 We had just captured a woman, um, and she was, um, out in the middle of nowhere on this road where we made the transfer to her family.

01:27:02.820 Do you see this one?

01:27:03.660 Yes.

01:27:03.880 And you saw the women just grab onto her and she just broke down and they were all, but it was only women really that were there to meet her. 0.99

01:27:14.200 And I, I thought, uh, what happens in that culture to these women who were raped? 0.96

01:27:23.460 I mean, can they, can they get back?

01:27:28.440 They can.

01:27:29.700 And it's, we have to be creative.

01:27:32.020 That's the thing with, with that, with that part of the, of the restoration.

01:27:34.980 We, we have a girl we're helping right now.

01:27:37.100 She was passed around at least to 18 different ISIS operators who each of them raped her 15 years old.

01:27:45.120 She ended up, um, pregnant.

01:27:47.420 We got her out, got her back.

01:27:49.820 And there was one family member that said, we'll take, we'll take you, but not that baby.

01:27:55.020 And she, so then her family rejected her because she was pregnant with, with an ISIS baby. 0.74

01:28:01.180 And so we got creative and found a different solution that we can't reveal.

01:28:05.640 Uh, and that's what it is.

01:28:06.600 It's about being creative on the ground.

01:28:08.200 We haven't, we, our guys on the ground are just unbelievable.

01:28:10.560 They're so connected.

01:28:12.020 Um, they're, they're foreign nationals, you know, they, they, they know the culture.

01:28:15.840 They know the, they know the, the whole dynamic there.

01:28:18.620 So we're able to be creative and get these kids the care they need in, in the culture

01:28:24.020 that they live in.

01:28:24.640 These are really brave Christians and one Jew, uh, that I know of that are, I mean, they're

01:28:31.540 caught doing this and we've, we've already lost two people on our, on our jump team over

01:28:36.400 in the middle East.

01:28:37.100 They were captured by ISIS and killed by ISIS trying to rescue, going to go back in and

01:28:42.600 rescue more.

01:28:43.220 Um, these guys are remarkable and, and marked for death.

01:28:47.340 If, if their identities are these guys, I, I work with them.

01:28:51.440 I talked, they are willing to die.

01:28:53.340 They're willing to die, to liberate these persecuted people.

01:28:57.660 And it's just an honor for me to even stand in the same room and meet with, with these people

01:29:03.360 who no one will ever know.

01:29:04.180 And their faces will never be seen by anybody.

01:29:06.740 Um, we put a, um, uh, when we made the announcement that we were partnering with, uh, Tim and, uh,

01:29:14.600 he was going to be the new CEO.

01:29:16.300 We did so because, uh, he has connections, governmental connections, uh, all over the world.

01:29:23.400 And, uh, we've watched his organization and we feel that time is of the essence in the

01:29:30.060 Middle East.

01:29:30.960 And, uh, so we put a goal, uh, together of raising in the next 12 months, $25 million,

01:29:37.520 $25 million is a lot of money.

01:29:41.020 Um, but as we have seen with the Nazarene fund, it can go a long, long way.

01:29:48.420 What does the time look like?

01:29:50.120 And what are we up against?

01:29:51.980 Well, the window is small.

01:29:54.180 I mean, we, we've talked about this.

01:29:55.860 Things change so fast, you know, um, even though ISIS is gone, people don't understand.

01:30:01.580 Now Iran is there. 0.99

01:30:02.900 Exactly.

01:30:03.200 There's a vacuum always, and someone fills it.

01:30:05.020 And when they fill it, the Christians are always the target. 1.00

01:30:08.080 It doesn't, it doesn't matter who's comes in. 0.86

01:30:09.980 They're always the target.

01:30:10.720 They always need us to support.

01:30:12.900 They need us to, to, to rescue, to restore, to rebuild.

01:30:16.340 Uh, and that's what we're, we're here to do.

01:30:18.080 And it's not just the people that's the most important part, but the heritage, I mean,

01:30:21.860 this is, this is Christian history.

01:30:23.440 That's being, that ISIS are trying to destroy.

01:30:26.020 And these people talking to Rudy and he said that part of our new goal is as we're doing

01:30:31.280 all this to document the, all of the, you know, the relics and everything else.

01:30:36.640 So we know and have documented footage and coverage of everything.

01:30:40.780 So we know exactly what it was and where it was in case it's destroyed.

01:30:45.560 Absolutely.

01:30:46.200 For example, there's a prophet in the old Testament, Nahum, who in Al-Kash has his tomb and ISIS 0.89

01:30:52.060 was trying to destroy it.

01:30:53.060 This brave priest took the bones of this, of this, you know, old Testament prophet and

01:30:57.200 hid in the desert.

01:30:58.500 And these are the things we're working on too, to help restore all this.

01:31:02.000 Now that ISIS is gone and they've tried to destroy the Christian narrative acting as though

01:31:06.940 it never happened.

01:31:08.520 Well, that's part of this.

01:31:09.400 A lot of these, some of these people want to go back to their Christian communities and

01:31:13.900 we're going to help them, those who want to go back, to bring them back into safety and

01:31:17.660 help rebuild.

01:31:18.780 This is an important story.

01:31:19.880 This story touches all of us and we can't let it fall off the tracks.

01:31:24.920 This is something that I believe you will absolutely be blessed for if you participate

01:31:29.960 and participating can just mean prayer power, prayer coverage.

01:31:33.400 Boy, these guys need the prayer coverage.

01:31:35.320 Um, uh, the prayers for inspiration on where to go, where to turn, been with them where

01:31:40.960 it's like, uh, no, we're not supposed to move forward.

01:31:44.480 We have to turn around and go another direction with just on promptings, uh, and it has saved

01:31:51.340 lives, uh, and freed people.

01:31:53.360 But so we can go from there to, you know, $5 a month.

01:31:57.880 Abraham Lincoln is on the $5 bill, the ultimate abolitionist.

01:32:01.880 Uh, well, maybe Ben Franklin was probably a bigger abolitionist.

01:32:06.040 So if you have a Franklin or a Lincoln, uh, but you could make a monthly donation, uh, to

01:32:12.260 the Nazarene fund, the Nazarene fund.org, the Nazarene fund.org.

01:32:17.960 And, uh, let's do some good together.

01:32:20.820 Tim, thank you.

01:32:21.900 Thank you, Glenn.

01:32:22.540 Uh, we have some footage and things that we're going to show on TV this afternoon.

01:32:26.040 Yes.

01:32:26.480 So yeah, we're going to show you some stuff and have a little more of a conversation,

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01:34:11.100 Glenn Beck.

01:34:18.300 Glenn Beck.

01:34:19.900 I'm just sitting here.

01:34:20.780 We're talking off the air and, uh, Tim is going to join me for television today, but,

01:34:25.120 uh, we don't have time right now, but you have to tell this story on television.

01:34:28.580 Uh, you're, I love talking to you because your story, you live a superhero's life.

01:34:34.360 You live an action adventure life, you know, and, uh, and the changes that have the updates

01:34:40.500 from you are remarkable.

01:34:42.520 So anybody who had been following, uh, Oh, you are stuff.

01:34:46.700 They did a big, uh, a big sting in Haiti.

01:34:51.000 Uh, and, um, and everybody said, don't do it.

01:34:55.180 Don't do it.

01:34:55.600 They're corrupt.

01:34:56.460 Well, there's an update on this.

01:34:57.980 And it's, it's remarkable when you actually know people's history and you ask them to

01:35:06.560 stand up and you can inspire them with their own history, which you did in this example.

01:35:13.460 And you have to hear it today.

01:35:14.920 It's amazing what happens.

01:35:16.520 I mean, you were just, I mean, are you ever just in awe and like, cause I really believe

01:35:21.180 and I know you'll laugh at me, they're going to, they're going to, they're going to make

01:35:24.240 a statue of you someday.

01:35:25.320 They really will.

01:35:26.060 You're, you are, you are a, you are a, you're a modern day Bonhoeffer or I don't know what

01:35:32.540 you are, but, uh, but you are a, you're a true hero.

01:35:35.460 They're going to make a statue of you someday.

01:35:37.100 Are you ever, you ever look back and go, look what I'm involved in.

01:35:41.580 You know, it's funny.

01:35:42.420 Yeah.

01:35:42.520 We talk about when you're in the moment, you don't even recognize what's going on.

01:35:46.420 And then when you sit back and tell the story, you're like, look what the Lord did.

01:35:49.900 Yeah.

01:35:50.300 Like we, it's miracles.

01:35:51.680 It's, they're miracles.

01:35:52.480 And you feel like, you know, the, the, we don't deserve any of the credit because the

01:35:56.120 Lord opens these doors and we say what we say and then boom, things move.

01:36:00.340 All right.

01:36:00.560 So five o'clock today on the blaze TV, you're going to see some of these miracles.

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01:36:07.300 Join us, be an abolitionist and help us rescue those that are in chains.

01:36:16.040 Glenn Beck.

01:36:22.740 This is the Glenn Beck program.

01:36:24.800 What do you mean?

01:36:25.460 What a typical backing out.

01:36:27.720 I am not backing out of this.

01:36:29.520 I am not backing out of this.

01:36:31.280 Welcome to the program.

01:36:32.080 A lot to talk about.

01:36:32.960 Pat's joining us.

01:36:34.480 Pat, what are you, what are you having on your plate today?

01:36:35.800 You want to talk about, uh, probably the Jerusalem situation.

01:36:41.380 Yeah.

01:36:41.640 Okay.

01:36:42.060 Uh, and, uh, a little cleanup on the Roy Moore thing.

01:36:45.580 Yeah.

01:36:45.760 We talked a lot about the Jerusalem thing.

01:36:47.760 It's a big deal.

01:36:48.360 I mean, uh, huge, huge.

01:36:49.840 Yeah.

01:36:50.060 It's surprising me.

01:36:51.020 What's next?

01:36:51.560 Are they going to declare Rome the capital of Italy?

01:36:54.800 London is the capital of England.

01:36:57.280 What is next with this group of people?

01:37:00.800 I mean, uh, Jerusalem, the capital of Israel.

01:37:04.800 You can't give a country, uh, it's autonomy to name it.

01:37:08.060 No, you can't.

01:37:08.760 You cannot do that.

01:37:09.640 That is not going to happen in my society.

01:37:11.380 I'll tell you that.

01:37:12.060 I love these.

01:37:12.760 I love these people who are saying that, uh, Middle East peace is at stake here.

01:37:16.740 I mean, it didn't bring peace to the Middle East by not naming it the capital.

01:37:20.880 That's a fair point.

01:37:22.420 Let's try this.

01:37:23.700 Very good point.

01:37:24.540 Let's try this.

01:37:25.740 All right.

01:37:25.920 So, um, yesterday at the end of the program, I mentioned, uh, there, cause there's a disturbing,

01:37:30.660 uh, story, uh, stew on Pop-Tarts.

01:37:33.900 Now you asked me that just as I put a piece of Pat's wife's cookies in my mouth, a chocolate

01:37:39.220 ginger. 0.87

01:37:39.820 What is it, Pat?

01:37:40.460 Chocolate ginger cinnamon.

01:37:42.220 It's a delicious or so I'm told.

01:37:44.380 I knew what it was.

01:37:45.200 I just needed to finish chewing.

01:37:46.420 Okay.

01:37:46.680 So, um, Pop-Tarts alerted police about an Illinois man who spreads mustard on his Pop-Tarts.

01:37:54.560 Okay.

01:37:54.780 What kind of Pop-Tart is it?

01:37:55.780 That's crazy.

01:37:56.260 It is a Dunkin' Donuts vanilla latte.

01:37:58.840 Vanilla latte.

01:37:59.280 Okay.

01:37:59.400 I didn't know that existed.

01:38:00.600 I didn't either, but we have it and we have some ketchup.

01:38:03.740 So, Pat.

01:38:06.480 You would never put mustard or ketchup on a Pop-Tart.

01:38:10.240 Pop-Tarts actually said, they called the, they said if there's local police that will

01:38:14.220 handle this.

01:38:15.300 And one of the local police actually responded and said, we're on it.

01:38:20.340 That's great.

01:38:21.220 I refused.

01:38:22.260 So, Pop-Tarts was not pleased with what someone was.

01:38:25.100 Someone says that's an abomination, as Pop-Tarts should say.

01:38:27.580 Now, I have a vanilla latte.

01:38:30.220 That seems to be a lot of savory mixed with a lot of sweet.

01:38:31.880 Here, give me the other plate, will you?

01:38:32.920 So, I have the other plate.

01:38:34.640 I'm not losing that cookie, though.

01:38:35.900 Yeah, I know.

01:38:36.460 It's delicious.

01:38:37.180 Because I'm going to give you something that nobody in my family knows.

01:38:40.720 I mean, my family does, but my children in there is like, Dad, what are you doing?

01:38:44.880 Are you kidding me?

01:38:45.880 Everybody should know this.

01:38:47.000 And I thought everybody did.

01:38:48.800 Okay.

01:38:49.120 I have the mustard on the latte.

01:38:50.900 Don't do it.

01:38:51.680 Pop-Tart.

01:38:52.080 That is a weird combination of flavors, I'll tell you that.

01:39:05.280 I mean...

01:39:06.200 Wow, it's not horrible.

01:39:07.920 It's not horrible.

01:39:08.840 It gives you kind of that taste of mustard and then softens it with the sweetness.

01:39:12.440 I mean, I would never choose...

01:39:13.460 First of all, I would never choose a vanilla latte Pop-Tart.

01:39:16.340 I mean, when you have s'mores, why would you do something like that?

01:39:19.400 I have to tell you, I just opened up a Pop-Tart.

01:39:21.640 I've never even seen these.

01:39:24.320 Unfrosted Pop-Tarts?

01:39:25.080 Unfrosted Pop-Tarts?

01:39:25.720 What the hell is that?

01:39:26.440 That's ridiculous.

01:39:27.120 That's another abomination.

01:39:28.460 It really is.

01:39:29.760 Okay.

01:39:30.020 So I just put some...

01:39:30.940 Now, this is...

01:39:31.540 It's not terrible.

01:39:32.300 Really?

01:39:33.960 It's weird, but it's not...

01:39:35.500 Let me try that piece right there that you broke off.

01:39:37.920 Is that over here?

01:39:39.580 Because...

01:39:40.020 It looks interesting.

01:39:42.660 All right.

01:39:43.160 So now this is...

01:39:44.340 Well, everyone...

01:39:45.520 You're actually eating that.

01:39:46.960 Yeah.

01:39:47.200 You see what I'm saying?

01:39:48.380 You get that little burst of bitter, but then it softens it pretty quickly with the sweetness.

01:39:51.920 It's not horrific.

01:39:53.040 It's not terrible.

01:39:55.040 In fact, I kind of like it.

01:39:57.300 Shut up. 0.95

01:39:57.880 I know.

01:39:58.620 I kind of like it.

01:39:59.880 I can see where that might become a little bit addictive.

01:40:03.320 No way.

01:40:04.140 Mm-hmm.

01:40:05.680 That's an interesting flavor combination.

01:40:07.620 It is.

01:40:08.140 There's something about that.

01:40:09.160 Oh, this just looks horrible.

01:40:09.980 It does look horrible.

01:40:11.320 I think the police should stand down.

01:40:13.480 Yeah.

01:40:13.660 I thought...

01:40:15.700 I was with it.

01:40:16.220 I was almost like, I'm a small government guy, but maybe in this case, government should

01:40:19.820 step in.

01:40:20.400 No.

01:40:20.840 Maybe not.

01:40:23.480 Really?

01:40:24.000 No, government should step in.

01:40:25.520 Glenn is not on board with our...

01:40:26.800 Oh, my gosh.

01:40:26.980 That's bad.

01:40:27.500 Mm.

01:40:27.820 I like it.

01:40:29.340 I, you know...

01:40:30.460 I hate that whole thing.

01:40:31.500 That's good.

01:40:32.280 Would I do it on my own at my home?

01:40:34.040 I don't think so, but I...

01:40:35.840 I think I would now.

01:40:36.740 I'm not opposed to it.

01:40:38.060 Mm-hmm.

01:40:38.300 No way.

01:40:39.160 That's an interesting...

01:40:40.340 Now, what are you doing with your pop charts?

01:40:41.780 Listen, so now listen, this is...

01:40:44.100 I can't believe nobody does this.

01:40:46.340 What are you doing?

01:40:47.320 I am putting butter on toasted Pop-Tarts.

01:40:51.080 Oh, I've never heard of that.

01:40:52.240 Really?

01:40:52.840 Mm-hmm.

01:40:53.180 Never seen that.

01:40:54.080 You've never seen it?

01:40:55.120 Mm-mm.

01:40:55.700 I don't understand it.

01:40:56.840 How can you not do it?

01:40:58.760 How does this not occur to people?

01:41:00.780 It's like a toasted...

01:41:02.900 Right.

01:41:03.120 A piece of toast I would always put butter on, right?

01:41:05.580 Yeah.

01:41:05.720 Isn't the Pop-Tart bad enough for you without buttering it, too?

01:41:08.400 Oh, no, I'm not saying...

01:41:08.700 Wait.

01:41:09.840 Wait.

01:41:10.320 Fair.

01:41:10.480 Fair point.

01:41:11.120 First of all, if you're looking for health, you're not looking at a Pop-Tart.

01:41:14.420 Nobody's reading the side of the box of Pop-Tarts going, well, I don't know.

01:41:18.260 What does this actually contain?

01:41:20.320 Okay.

01:41:21.040 Now, you want something...

01:41:21.800 Then you toast it after you butter it?

01:41:23.280 No, you toast it first.

01:41:24.760 Oh.

01:41:25.120 Okay?

01:41:25.640 Mm-hmm.

01:41:26.120 Now, I want you...

01:41:29.240 I mean, it smells amazing in here.

01:41:31.700 I mean, you will never eat a Pop-Tart...

01:41:33.740 You will never eat a Pop-Tart normal again.

01:41:37.960 You're quote-unquote normal.

01:41:40.780 Okay.

01:41:41.180 Yeah.

01:41:41.360 Who are you to say what's normal among Pop-Tarts? 0.78

01:41:44.960 Your Pop-Tart normative standards.

01:41:46.840 There we go.

01:41:48.840 All right.

01:41:49.720 It's a very...

01:41:50.180 It's very greasy.

01:41:51.480 Yeah.

01:41:51.760 No, it's not.

01:41:52.280 It's buttery.

01:41:52.800 It's very buttery.

01:41:57.700 Mm-hmm.

01:41:59.680 That definitely adds a little je ne sais quoi, if you will.

01:42:04.620 Mm-hmm.

01:42:05.740 I feel like you almost have to eat it upside down to get any butter in it because...

01:42:08.900 Yeah, well, I kind of rushed because you should...

01:42:11.700 I mean, you should have two good, healthy pats of butter on each one.

01:42:14.760 On each one?

01:42:15.720 I mean, you know, I'm just saying.

01:42:16.900 Mm-hmm.

01:42:17.920 I mean, again, it has sort of the savory thing going on.

01:42:22.140 And you have to make sure that you're getting the...

01:42:24.060 You have to make sure you're getting the edges of the Pop-Tart that does not have any of

01:42:28.860 the fruity goodness in it.

01:42:30.380 Is this another Glenn Beck holiday treat?

01:42:34.540 Death trap?

01:42:35.100 Like the all cream and chocolate hot cocoa?

01:42:40.200 Oh, that's phenomenal.

01:42:41.300 Or those cheesy mashed potatoes that are 90% cheese.

01:42:44.540 I'm just going to put a little mustard on mine just to see.

01:42:47.940 Oh, come on, man.

01:42:48.600 Mustard and butter?

01:42:49.660 Don't you think?

01:42:50.280 Because I feel like...

01:42:50.780 We've got to try it.

01:42:51.200 We've got to try it.

01:42:51.560 Yeah.

01:42:52.640 What's that one?

01:42:53.080 The chocolate one?

01:42:54.260 That's pretty good.

01:42:55.200 This is a butter one.

01:42:56.140 I like the butter ones.

01:42:58.040 Come on.

01:42:58.340 Somebody.

01:42:58.900 Here.

01:42:59.080 Come on.

01:43:00.140 Come on.

01:43:01.260 Come on.

01:43:01.860 I mean...

01:43:02.180 Let's be honest.

01:43:04.900 The star here is the mustard.

01:43:06.480 Mm-hmm.

01:43:07.940 Now, I had an idea with...

01:43:09.340 Because this is what I like to do with Pop-Tart.

01:43:10.440 Tell me this is not the best Pop-Tart you've ever eaten.

01:43:13.480 That's good.

01:43:14.280 I liked them both.

01:43:15.020 I liked them both ways with the butter and the mustard.

01:43:17.120 The butter is a no-brainer.

01:43:17.880 You've seen that you've destroyed all credibility by saying you like it with the mustard.

01:43:21.060 I want people to try it.

01:43:22.600 I challenge you to try it.

01:43:24.480 It's good.

01:43:25.020 We like our audience.

01:43:26.220 What are you doing?

01:43:27.020 Let's show you how open-minded I am.

01:43:28.340 Look at that.

01:43:30.560 All right.

01:43:31.160 Why do we have ice cream in here?

01:43:32.780 Well, this is my...

01:43:33.420 I mean, I don't...

01:43:34.420 Don't get me wrong.

01:43:36.400 I am totally fine.

01:43:38.000 I should never...

01:43:39.180 We should live in a world where I don't have to ask, why do we have ice cream in here?

01:43:43.480 It should always be in here.

01:43:45.340 That's a smart way to live.

01:43:46.400 I will give you that.

01:43:47.600 So I had a little invention here, the way I like to eat Pop-Tarts, and they're heating

01:43:52.160 up now.

01:43:53.140 Got to be hot Pop-Tarts.

01:43:54.620 But hot Pop-Tarts functioning as the sandwich of an ice cream sandwich.

01:44:00.040 So it's like essentially the cookie of the ice cream sandwich.

01:44:01.860 Have you done that before?

01:44:02.600 Or you just think of it now?

01:44:03.640 Oh, no.

01:44:03.920 No, this is high tech.

01:44:05.980 Because then you get...

01:44:07.000 So this is like a breakfast dessert.

01:44:09.700 Right.

01:44:10.120 Like you're going to...

01:44:10.580 You start it out, I think, with the normal Pop-Tart, right?

01:44:14.060 Yeah.

01:44:14.360 That gets you through the morning part of the Pop-Tart breakfast.

01:44:18.180 And that, of course, has the butter on it.

01:44:20.200 Then you move to the lunch part where you put the mustard on top.

01:44:24.520 And then for the dinner dessert part, you go right to the ice cream in the middle of two

01:44:30.980 hot Pop-Tarts.

01:44:31.720 Now, all this is, is like a little bit of toast and some strawberries and...

01:44:39.120 Ice cream in the middle?

01:44:39.800 Maybe a little...

01:44:40.320 No, no, no.

01:44:40.880 Maybe just a little bit of cream over your strawberries. 0.99

01:44:44.500 All right.

01:44:45.440 As is your cooking, Pat, did you hear ice cream sounds...

01:44:47.440 It's healthy for you.

01:44:48.960 If I came to you with just a little bit of milk and some fruit in a bowl and then, you

01:44:57.720 know, Sid, and have a little bit of toast or pie crust, would you say...

01:45:02.820 Do you think all of our wives would be like that? 0.99

01:45:04.560 You're eating right.

01:45:06.240 Yes, I think so.

01:45:07.500 I think so.

01:45:08.560 Mm-hmm.

01:45:09.440 As these are finishing up, Pat, you had one of the Roy Moore stuff.

01:45:13.200 Where were you on that?

01:45:13.760 Oh, well, did you see what his spokesman said yesterday?

01:45:18.220 That she was being told that there's a lot of accusers there.

01:45:24.020 There's a lot of smoke here.

01:45:25.060 There must be fire.

01:45:25.880 And she called them criminals who were seeking revenge.

01:45:28.940 And then she argued that there were plenty of, quote, non-accusers that did not accuse

01:45:36.180 the judge of any sexual misconduct.

01:45:38.860 So there's a group of non-accusers that didn't accuse him?

01:45:43.360 So your defense is that not every single woman in Alabama was sexually assaulted by Roy Moore?

01:45:50.540 Is that now the Roy Moore defense?

01:45:53.060 That's not a compelling defense to me.

01:45:55.020 I'm starting to turn on the guy.

01:45:56.420 So it's like John Wayne Gacy.

01:45:57.480 Not all children were killed.

01:45:59.340 Right?

01:46:01.080 Yes.

01:46:02.280 You want to cut that?

01:46:03.340 Here's a knife.

01:46:03.960 Why don't you cut that?

01:46:04.800 I'm starting to worry that there's something going on there.

01:46:07.100 I think so, too.

01:46:08.200 It's weird.

01:46:09.120 His story has changed several times.

01:46:11.620 We just talked about that yesterday, that his story is now changing, and it makes me nervous.

01:46:15.960 It's like, wait a minute.

01:46:16.440 Very nervous.

01:46:17.140 You said you knew these people.

01:46:18.640 Now you're saying you don't know these people.

01:46:20.840 You never heard of them.

01:46:21.820 By the way.

01:46:22.520 Very weird.

01:46:23.240 Learned something about, thank you.

01:46:25.280 I learned something about toasters.

01:46:28.500 Yes.

01:46:29.040 You know what the numbers are on toasters?

01:46:30.760 The numbers are?

01:46:32.720 Yeah, it's the amount of doneness.

01:46:36.980 Right?

01:46:37.480 Right?

01:46:37.800 That's what I always thought.

01:46:38.720 Yeah.

01:46:40.320 It's not that?

01:46:41.580 Thank you.

01:46:41.620 It's pretty good, Stu.

01:46:42.480 It's really good, right?

01:46:43.860 I think it's pretty good.

01:46:44.960 What kind of Pop-Tart is this?

01:46:46.200 You either got chocolate chip or s'mores.

01:46:48.120 Mm-hmm.

01:46:49.320 Mm-hmm.

01:46:51.540 Mm-hmm.

01:46:52.140 That's really good.

01:46:52.940 That's a good ice cream sandwich.

01:46:55.080 All right.

01:46:55.460 So, you know what the numbers are?

01:46:58.800 The number of doneness.

01:47:00.340 No.

01:47:00.960 No.

01:47:01.520 Okay.

01:47:01.900 Minutes.

01:47:03.820 What?

01:47:04.420 Minutes.

01:47:04.900 What?

01:47:05.440 No, they're not.

01:47:06.060 Yeah, it is.

01:47:07.100 No.

01:47:07.520 It is.

01:47:07.880 Yes, it is.

01:47:08.520 I don't think it is.

01:47:10.380 Yes, it is.

01:47:12.300 It's a common.

01:47:14.140 You know what?

01:47:15.040 We need Google.

01:47:15.900 We need Google Home.

01:47:16.740 I want to put Google Home in here.

01:47:18.400 This comes from the guy.

01:47:19.960 I might have, you know, I might have my hands full with, you know, buttery goodness with

01:47:24.800 ice cream, and I can't go to type it in myself, so I would just want to say, Google, what

01:47:30.060 are the numbers on toasters for?

01:47:32.280 It's the number of minutes.

01:47:33.800 It is, really.

01:47:34.860 This comes from the guy wanting to try mustard on his Pop-Tarts.

01:47:37.440 I know.

01:47:37.640 I did try it.

01:47:38.280 I didn't like it.

01:47:39.020 Oh, that's right.

01:47:39.960 I have the courage to go against the grain in this room.

01:47:42.820 There's no way if you turn it up to 10 that that stays in there for 10 minutes.

01:47:46.740 I don't know.

01:47:47.500 I've never tried it for 10, and I always just, if I start to see it smoke, I just kind of

01:47:52.280 push it up, so I always thought it was the number of doneness, doneness, too.

01:47:57.000 You know, I want my toast five dark.

01:48:01.940 Right.

01:48:03.000 Five dark.

01:48:03.840 Right.

01:48:04.640 No, that's not what it is.

01:48:06.040 It's not what it is.

01:48:06.780 Now, how did you make this discovery?

01:48:07.980 I made this discovery, and I think it was through Matthew, who said he was watching

01:48:13.740 a documentary on common household items and kitchen things that are being misused or misunderstood,

01:48:26.680 and the number one thing was the numbers on the toaster.

01:48:30.620 Wow.

01:48:31.880 Somebody's got some extra time on their hands.

01:48:33.780 Will you have it?

01:48:34.240 I'm looking at a mental floss.

01:48:38.140 What do those numbers on your toaster mean?

01:48:45.140 Telling you.

01:48:46.120 Suggested the numbers directly relate to the time a piece of bread was in the machine that

01:48:51.420 would make sense, the number five for five minutes.

01:48:53.560 Sadly, that's since been disproved.

01:48:55.820 And the inevitable answer here is that the meaning of the numbers depends on the kind

01:49:01.800 of toaster you have.

01:49:02.880 Set timer for one minute.

01:49:04.460 Okay.

01:49:04.820 Because that was like a, he said it was like a GE expert or something like that.

01:49:10.320 Go, go.

01:49:10.660 Okay.

01:49:10.920 So maybe with a certain brand, it does mean that.

01:49:13.220 I'm setting it for one minute.

01:49:14.580 And this is what?

01:49:15.220 Cuisinart?

01:49:16.200 I don't know what brand it is.

01:49:18.120 Okay.

01:49:18.420 So I've set it on.

01:49:19.200 I put it on one number of doneness.

01:49:21.220 I'm counting down.

01:49:22.900 We're down to 55 seconds now.

01:49:24.480 No show.

01:49:25.600 No show is giving you this today.

01:49:27.520 No, and there might be a good reason for that.

01:49:30.160 No show.

01:49:31.040 You could listen all around and everyone will, you know, they're talking Israel, whatever.

01:49:35.100 We're telling you about the numbers.

01:49:37.620 This is useful information that you can use at Christmas parties this weekend.

01:49:40.900 I don't have my hand on it.

01:49:42.520 His hand was a little too close to the.

01:49:45.840 What's the time?

01:49:46.580 What's the time?

01:49:46.920 Remove your hand.

01:49:47.300 Remove your hand.

01:49:47.900 What's the time?

01:49:48.800 30 seconds remain.

01:49:50.960 You will hear.

01:49:51.940 Man, this won't.

01:49:53.240 Won't this be fantastic if it pops up right at the time?

01:49:55.640 Right at the time?

01:49:56.500 It would be amazing.

01:49:57.000 This would be amazing.

01:49:58.300 20 seconds remain.

01:49:59.820 20 seconds.

01:50:00.440 Will the Pop-Tart come up?

01:50:01.960 Will it come up?

01:50:04.040 I mean, maybe.

01:50:05.920 The drama here is.

01:50:06.840 It seems to be about time.

01:50:08.160 10 seconds.

01:50:09.780 9, 8, 7, 6, 5.

01:50:14.560 I remember it's French, so give it a couple of seconds extra.

01:50:17.220 One minute exactly.

01:50:22.120 It turned 0, 0 as it popped up.

01:50:24.800 That was amazing.

01:50:25.740 Wow.

01:50:26.680 So, there you go.

01:50:28.280 Numbers mean things.

01:50:30.040 This is incredible.

01:50:32.120 What a discovery.

01:50:33.020 Put my toast in for one minute.

01:50:36.060 Now it makes sense.

01:50:37.300 Yes, it does.

01:50:37.960 All right.

01:50:38.400 Thanks.

01:50:38.900 Thanks for helping us uncover that incredible.

01:50:40.980 Oh, it's my pleasure.

01:50:42.320 Important work.

01:50:43.180 It really was.

01:50:44.840 Mustard on two out of three dentists say mustard on Pop-Tarts.

01:50:50.080 Good.

01:50:50.500 Not bad.

01:50:51.280 Yeah.

01:50:51.560 Not bad.

01:50:52.740 Four out of four people say butter on toast.

01:50:56.720 Good.

01:50:57.660 Four out of four say ice cream between two Pop-Tarts.

01:51:01.720 Good.

01:51:02.760 I think that the summary here is we like Pop-Tarts.

01:51:05.160 I think it's kind of the summary.

01:51:06.360 Let's not get hasty.

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01:52:20.840 So should we have a contest on who can gain the most this holiday season or who can not gain or who can gain the least?

01:52:48.380 I noticed that none of the options were losing weight or maintaining it.

01:52:51.540 Oh, no, no, no, yeah.

01:52:51.940 No, it's losing?

01:52:53.780 I mean, I'm sorry.

01:52:54.380 It's gaining the least amount or the most amount?

01:52:57.720 What are we doing this year?

01:52:59.740 I've been operating under the fact that it was going to be gained the most.

01:53:02.200 Really?

01:53:02.500 That's been my kind of belief.

01:53:04.020 If you were to change that now, it would really screw me up.

01:53:07.960 All right.

01:53:08.660 Let's see if I can gain only half of what you do.

01:53:17.680 Good luck with that.

01:53:18.740 You better start eating.

01:53:24.660 Glenn Beck.

01:53:25.780 Good luck with that.

01:53:41.820 Good luck with that.

01:53:42.200 Good luck with it.

01:53:42.600 Good luck with that.

01:53:44.200 Good luck with that.

01:53:47.100 Good luck.

01:53:47.600 Good luck with that.

The Glenn Beck Program - December 06, 2017

12⧸6⧸17 - ＂A very move＂？ (McKay Coppins, Ben Shapiro, Kelly Shackelford & Tim Ballard join Glenn)

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