2⧸14⧸18 - 'Down With The Flu'?
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Summary
Glenn and Stu discuss the latest in the Keith Ellison/Farrakhan scandal, including the fact that Farrakhan and President Hassan Rouhani dined with each other and former President Barack Obama in 2013, and the reaction to it.
Transcript
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It's Pat and Stu for Glenn, who's a little under the weather today.
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Okay, including the latest on Keith Ellison, who is number two at the DNC.
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Yeah, because Perez is number one, but he's the head of the DNC.
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And Keith Ellison actually was, there was a lot of speculation that he was actually going to be appointed to head up the DNC.
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A radical guy, an extremist guy, but a wonderful man.
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Well, what we're learning, Pat, is that all Democrats have at least hung out at one point or another with Louis Farrakhan.
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This is just something that, that's just part of being a Democrat, I think.
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But that's okay, because there's nobody sweeter than Louis Farrakhan.
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He's a really nice guy, a good guy in the community.
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Yes, a loving man, is what I would say about him.
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Now, we just learned that Barack Obama, former president of the United States before he was president, hung out at one point or another with Louis Farrakhan.
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And a picture was taken of this event and the journalist who took it, hit it by his own words.
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He said he hit it because he didn't want to hurt Barack Obama's future career.
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And if that had been, let's say Donald Trump pictured at an event with David Duke.
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And then we find out that whoever took the picture hit it because they knew it would be damaging to them.
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I kind of wonder if the mainstream media wouldn't make a really big deal out of that.
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Because when Trump was on TV and he was asked by, I think it was Jake Tapper at the time, hey, do you denounce David Duke?
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But he didn't immediately refute and say, I don't want, you know, I don't love David Duke.
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Yeah, he did later, but he didn't do it at that moment.
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This is the guy who was president of the United States for eight years, who we know had ties with people of questionable character, such as Reverend Wright, that believed similar things, though they would come at it from two different religious arenas.
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They believed seemingly similar things, such as, you know, AIDS was created by the government to kill black people.
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But Keith Ellison, apparently in 2006, if you remember this, he was in the Nation of Islam and he came out and he apologized to Jewish groups in 2006.
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He said he has long since distanced himself and rejected the Nation of Islam.
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The problem is, seven years later, in 2013, Louis Farrakhan had a dinner with Keith Ellison and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani in 2013.
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A high-level Republican congressman who, number two guy in the RNC, if a congressman were at that position, having dinner with David Duke in 2013.
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I mean, let's face it, Iran's not exactly a friend of ours.
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And it's dinner with Farrakhan and the president of Iran.
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And you'd think that this would be a bigger story.
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One, can you picture, you know, Paul Ryan, just hanging out, having a little dinner with a little, you know, a little Louis Farrakhan.
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And maybe, you know, maybe a president of one of our biggest enemies, too.
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But that doesn't seem like something that would be overlooked.
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Maybe people aren't familiar with who Louis Farrakhan is.
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Maybe people think he's just, I mean, look, he did hang out with the president of the United States.
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Have you ever hung out with a president of the United States, Pat?
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I've had zero pictures with presidents of the United States.
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I don't even have pictures with former presidents of the United States.
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Well, I have George H.W. Bush we did an interview with.
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But maybe this is the type of thing that happens all the time.
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Maybe Louis Farrakhan, he's just hanging out at the local Panera Bread.
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I can't help it if the president of Iran and Louis Farrakhan walked in here and asked me
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There was no one sitting with me at that booth, the Panera Bread booth that has the
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actual nice comfortable chairs, like the kind of, they have those, you know, the nice
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You don't want the president of Iran to sit in an uncomfortable chair.
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What, do you want him to think America's not hospitable?
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You want Farrakhan in one of those middle tables with the normal chairs?
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He does, he, I mean, look, he's the president of a country and a guy who has very important
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He, you know, well, we'll get to that in a second.
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We have kind of some of his most beautiful statements that he's made that are peaceful
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And I watched the evil of the United States government at work.
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But of course, they will tell you they're different from their father.
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Why should anybody who criticizes Jewish behavior that ill affects black people and their pursuit
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He wrote Germany up from the ashes of her defeat.
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Don't you be fooled by a smile and a pat on the back and a white woman in your arms, brother?
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It's a deep guilt thing that white folks suffer.
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You are afraid that if we ever come to power, we will do to you and your fathers what you
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Yeah, I love Elijah Muhammad and not that if you attack him, I will kill you.
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each one of you in here would become a killer instantaneously.
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We don't give a damn about no white man law when you attack what we love.
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I mean, look, there's something to be said for white man law.
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My understanding is white man law only applies to white people.
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And if we dealt with him like a nation deals with a traitor, what the hell business is it of yours?
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Look, if he killed or had Malcolm X killed, what business is that of mine?
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My understanding is that is not a violation of white man law.
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Or it may be a slight violation of white man law, but that doesn't apply here.
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So, if he betrayed Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam and they had him killed, it's none of your business.
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So, here's Keith Ellison, second in charge at the DNC, having dinner with this wonderful man and the president of Iran.
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Not two of the most friendly people to the United States of America.
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The fact that in 2013, not 1983, 2013, this guy, seven years after he publicly denounced the Nation of Islam, is having dinner with Louis Farrakhan, the guy who says the things that you just heard, including many, many others that we don't, I mean, we could play them all day.
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We could do an entire show on just terrible things Louis Farrakhan has said and believes.
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Is that even a story that the number two guy at the DNC is doing that, that an elected congressman is doing that?
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Well, again, and this gets so tiresome, but if it was somebody on the right, this would be the front page story of the New York Times for the next three weeks.
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It would be the lead story on CNN and MSNBC, and they would hammer this.
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And they would tell you why it's such a big deal that, you know, the head of the RNC had dinner with, let's say, David Duke.
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And that would be, uh, that would be a really similar circumstance to what we're talking about here.
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If a big right-wing congressman was hanging with David Duke and having dinner with him, uh, and of course, you know, sure, the president of one of our biggest enemies at the same time.
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Uh, but if that were to happen, it would be a big story and should be a big story.
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You should not, like, Paul Ryan should not be just hanging out with, uh, with, with David Duke or someone similar.
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And yet, you can find this on Haratz, Haratz, which is an Israeli source.
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That's about all I can find, uh, as far as mentions on this.
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They're not, they don't care about this at all.
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But, uh, did Rob Porter get hired at the White House when somebody might've known that he was abusive to his former wives?
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That story you've got to hear every five minutes.
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And that is a story that, you know, it's, it's trouble.
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And Rob Porter was an important figure in the White House.
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However, nobody, CNN probably mentioned his name twice in the last year before the scandal broke.
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It's not like he was a, a public figure in that way.
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He was a, an important figure in the White House.
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That job is an important job in the White House, but it's not, it's not the type of thing that's covered by the public.
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And I'm not, I have no problem with them covering the Porter thing, by the way.
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I mean, you know, look, you hit your wife, you know, these things are going to happen to you and you deserve them.
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You know, I mean, I think the fallout of Kelly potentially leaving.
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I mean, that's the big talk today on that front is that Kelly could be, you know, Trump had apparently soured on Kelly anyway because he felt he was too controlling.
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And now there's a potential that, that he may go and maybe Gary Cohen steps in or, um, you know, uh, Mulvaney or McCarthy.
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I mean, there's a bunch of names being sort of tossed around whether that happens or not.
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I mean, you know, I think they did, did handle this fairly poorly.
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That was their first, you know, that's what the press, uh, the number two under, uh, Sarah Huckabee Sanders said, basically, look, you know, we didn't do a great job on this, but, uh, here's the truth.
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And they've, they've just changed their story a bunch of times and it's hurt them.
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And that's, it's not that you can't, you need to ignore that story.
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But I mean, this is a guy in the long leadership of the DNC.
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He's a guy who's people know who Keith Ellison is.
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He's a guy who makes a lot of noise, who says a lot of things about the right.
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They like quoting him when he's bashing Trump or bashing some conservative.
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The fact that this guy in 2013 was doing this and no one's even bothering talking about it,
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except as you point out the free beacon, uh, and Fox news, maybe a couple of Israeli sources.
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Well, I think it would be wrong for me to tell you that you're either white or a man.
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Yeah, you've got to make your own decision up on that, what you are.
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Why are you even bothering me about whether or not I killed Malcolm X?
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And let's have dinner with Keith Ellison and the president of Iran.
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He was asked about generally, Keith, this is Keith Ellison, by the way, in case you're just
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Democratic congressman number two at the DNC talking about Farrakhan on MSNBC.
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Just to clarify it, then, based on, again, all these quotes and sort of the buzz out
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there, what CNN and others were reporting on what you said before, do you believe that
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But, I mean, what does he have to do with anything going on in this race or this country at this
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Well, CNN says that you've said some positive things about Minister Farrakhan, a role model
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We're talking about something that happened in 1995.
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This was a year that the Million Man March took off.
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But here I am, having to answer questions about this.
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And I'm not talking about what our country needs to look like and what the Democratic Party
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Because this smear campaign from almost 21 years ago or something like that, this is about
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distracting and taking people away from the issues that really are at hand in this case.
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This is a guy sitting here knowing that three years ago he had dinner with this guy.
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Not 21 years ago, because the Million Man March was 1995.
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Now, look, there were a lot of people involved in the Million Man March.
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However, Farrakhan was a much more widely accepted figure in 1995.
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There was a lot of people who associated themselves with him over the years.
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Eventually, people are like, let's not go to dinner together.
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There's a little bit of a tendency for people to maybe sit at another table.
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Because I love the question, is Louis Farrakhan an anti-Semite?
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I mean, that's essentially what you get from Keith Ellison, because he's an anti-Semite, too.
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Well, I mean, look, he knew what he was doing there.
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He was acting as if this was an old allegation when he knew very well that it wasn't.
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And that is, it takes a hell of a lot of, you know, it takes balls, right, to go on there
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and say, when you know that this, when there's photos that could come out at any time.
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Now, luckily, I think he believes he has the media on the other side.
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Now, CNN didn't report this particular thing we're talking about today, but they did at least
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to report the association and the fact that this is a fairly controversial figure.
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Louis Farrakhan, not the guy to hang out with at dinner.
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Glenn apparently has the flu, so he's out today, but hopefully back soon.
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Apparently, the poll numbers for the president are starting to improve pretty significantly.
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There's a new poll out from Politico Morning Consult, which is, you know, this is the first
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time in a while that the numbers have been this positive for Trump.
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They show 47% approval rating, which is really high for his, you know, first year.
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It also shows for the first time that the Republicans are leading the Democrats on the
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generic ballot, which is in some ways more important, just from the perspective of Trump
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has got a couple of years before he actually has to run for re-election, where the, you
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know, the 2018 election is right around the corner.
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But if you look at the Trump numbers specifically, he's at 47% in this poll.
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Now, this is just one poll, so you can't, you know, you have outliers, right?
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However, there's been pretty significant improvement for the last couple of months, really since
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You know, he was at December, mid-December, right before tax reform actually passed.
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He was at a 36.4% average approval rating, which was the lowest of his presidency.
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In the two months since then, it's risen from 36.4 to 41 on average.
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So, and his disapproval has dropped by four points.
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So he's improved by four and a half points when it comes to approval rating and dropped
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Pretty, it's hard to do when you're talking averages.
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And the fact that it's up to 41% puts him, you know, it's still not great.
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Obviously, he'd like to be a lot higher than that if he could do it.
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But still, for Trump, it's one of the highest marks since very early on in his presidency,
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So, you know, the highest number since May certainly has helped, I think, you know, the
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tax reform package, I think, has helped quite a bit on that.
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I mean, every day, you get a nice little, you know, another story of a company.
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There's yet another one just yesterday that, you know, hey, we're going to give $15 an hour
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to our employees with no law, with no Bernie Sanders coming in and saying we have to guarantee
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$15 an hour to everyone, no massive economic reformation when it comes to, you know, giving
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They're just deciding to do it on their own because they got a nice tax cut.
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If the economy stays strong, it's going to be incredibly difficult, if not impossible,
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I mean, a lot can happen between now and now, but they released yesterday a list.
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The Hill had a list of 36 potential Democrat candidates.
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I mean, I went through their list on Pat Gray Unleashed.
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I can't see any of them beating Donald Trump in 2020.
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Yeah, because you can look at the fundamentals of the polling of the Trump presidency as a
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You could say, look, the guy is, you know, historically low.
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When it comes to approval ratings, especially low, when you compare it to how the economy
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is doing, usually when a president has an economy like this, his approval ratings in
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the 50s or 60s, and his are in the 30s and 40s.
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So you can look at that and have optimism until you look at your own candidates.
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Until you look and you see Bernie Sanders, Kirsten Gillibrand, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren,
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Well, Cory Booker has tears of rage, though, and he can bring them out at any time.
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And Oprah has already said, no, I'm not doing it.
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I mean, the only people who know about him think he's terrible.
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And you think Trump wouldn't use Fast and Furious against that guy?
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And then people like Julian Castro, the former mayor of San Antonio, the HUD secretary.
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They've been trying to groom him for a while, though.
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They keep trying to push him down our throats, and nobody seems to be eating it.
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So, yeah, I think Trump's in a good position to have two terms.
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But, you know, the economy can obviously switch around.
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But, again, like, fundamentally, it comes down to the Democrats coming up with someone
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And they're still not even throwing Al Gore out there as a possibility.
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If Gore was going to run, though, he would have run.
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But, I mean, if you go back, when is the last time?
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Other than Barack Obama, when have they had an even competent politician?
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And, again, I'm not saying I believe Barack Obama was a competent president.
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And, you know, he did pretty well in the polling.
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I mean, when you look at how close elections have been.
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Who have they put out there that could potentially win?
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Now, they got a win out of Carter, but that was handed to them.
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I mean, Bill Clinton had scandals as soon as he got into the race.
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Barack Obama had a historically low approval rating as well.
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People like to think of him as a really popular figure.
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I mean, low to mid 40s for most of his presidency.
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And look, again, I think you could say 2008 was handed to them.
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He was running against John McCain in the middle of a financial crisis.
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Remember John McCain's quote from that election.
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And so in some ways, I think like you can you can compare McCain to Hillary Clinton as
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They're both really bad candidates like, you know, like Hillary Clinton is a generic liberal,
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I think, in many ways, as far as her viewpoints go.
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And I think when I say liberal, pretty leftist.
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That being said, she's just a really bad candidate where like, you know, John McCain is a very
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moderate Republican slash basically a Democrat half the time and also a terrible candidate.
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Now, Mitt Romney, I think, was a tougher battle.
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It was shown in the results, obviously, that it was it was a tougher battle.
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But Romney wasn't, I don't think, an utterly fantastic candidate either, to be frank.
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Like, and then, you know, you have this this last election where, you know, Hillary Clinton
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And if they can't do better than Hillary Clinton, anybody's going to beat them.
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They could run anybody on the right and they would beat them.
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As long as President Trump stays out of his own way.
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But I mean, but we have things like Michael Cohen admitting his lawyer admits that they
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made the payment to Stormy Daniels, the porn star.
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Because there was a there was a question about this.
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We've done this before where it's like, well, if it's true, does it matter?
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You know, if it's true, we talked about that a couple of weeks ago.
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And it was with Stormy Daniels about Stormy Daniels.
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Now, Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney, is saying that he did this.
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He is saying that he gave one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to this porn star.
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He is not saying necessarily that Trump and Stormy Daniels had an affair, though.
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I mean, they might claim and I haven't heard his claim on this.
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They could say, yeah, well, we just wanted to keep her false claims out of the news.
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They do have a statement that's signed that says that she didn't do this, which is apparently
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She says she doesn't know where that came from.
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She said, look, the bottom line here is I don't think this sort of stuff makes any difference
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to people at this point, you know, which is amazing.
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If you think back to like Bill Clinton, for example, who was a guy everyone knew was kind
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of like a womanizer and he had a lot of shady stuff in his in his life when it came to
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If we had on record an one hundred and thirty thousand dollar payment from a close associate,
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a longtime lawyer and Cohen is saying he did this out of his own pocket, which the reason
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he admitted this is because it would have been a you know, it's potentially a campaign
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If you give one hundred and thirty thousand dollars, which is above the maximum right
00:31:10.080
to to help a candidate, even if it's indirectly, they can try to come out for you for the campaign
00:31:20.320
So therefore, they could get out of the campaign finance problem.
00:31:22.960
That's why he's coming out and saying, yes, I gave one hundred and thirty thousand dollars
00:31:26.620
But can you imagine if that happened to Bill Clinton or Barack Obama had his attorney and
00:31:30.740
paid one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to a porn star?
00:31:32.600
I just think that society as a whole is is already priced all this in with Trump.
00:31:37.320
And I don't think anybody cares about this at all.
00:31:39.860
And our our entire moral foundation, I think, has shifted.
00:31:46.320
And cracked because people just don't care anymore.
00:31:59.120
Well, and to be fair, there was the only side ever defending that was the right.
00:32:08.840
Comedians have made this point in that there is a relationship between men and women where
00:32:12.900
men want to hook up with women and women would say are the ones who actually have a little
00:32:20.060
Like, you know, guys on the first date are there.
00:32:21.860
They like they don't they don't need any romancing.
00:32:29.940
Like women would be like, no, not on the first date, right?
00:32:35.980
And there's no there's not one side of the argument that's saying, you know, no thanks
00:32:44.040
There's no let's play it slow there on either side of the argument.
00:32:47.000
So we just careen very quickly towards the side of we just hook up on the first date
00:32:52.720
after 25 minutes after we swipe whatever direction you're supposed to swipe.
00:32:56.180
So and that's a kind of what's happened here is for a long time, the left was pushing
00:33:05.440
And now both of them are saying it doesn't really matter.
00:33:08.820
So there's no one really pushing that way anymore, including, you know, a good chunk of our
00:33:14.100
religious culture doesn't seem to really care about it anymore either.
00:33:18.120
And I look, I this doesn't affect the tax plan.
00:33:21.900
This doesn't affect, you know, did Susan Rice do something really shady before Obama left
00:33:28.060
Doesn't doesn't affect the day to day policy stuff that we talk about.
00:33:32.360
But what we should always at least stop and pause and note, note for the record that we've
00:33:42.380
The Overton window has has been pushed to a point where accusations and admissions of
00:33:51.500
large payments to porn stars no longer affect our daily discourse.
00:33:56.100
Ah, so we paid a porn star one hundred and thirty thousand to keep quiet.
00:34:10.920
I mean, we should at least we should admit to ourselves that it's occurred.
00:34:23.700
We started this break with Donald Trump at a high.
00:34:29.360
On the same day, his attorney has said that he paid one hundred thirty thousand dollars
00:34:34.300
to a porn star of a porn star in the middle of this Michael or the Rob Porter scandal.
00:34:39.840
Yeah, this has not been a you would you would argue that this has not been necessarily a
00:34:55.640
But Pat Gray unleashed coming up on the program today.
00:34:59.800
And also, we should tell you that tonight, Glenn actually has a special on Calvin Coolidge
00:35:04.600
as we kind of approach President's Day, a show that you have not seen, which is going
00:35:11.760
And then after that, we're going to have the news and why it matters.
00:35:13.720
That's going to be happening tonight with myself, Pat Gray, Sarah Gonzalez, Doc Thompson.
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Going to be a cool hour of television tonight at theblaze.com slash TV.
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Pat and Stu for Glenn on the Glenn Beck program.
00:37:20.260
Now, I'm saying a different phone number, and so then I come over here, and I've got that
00:37:32.240
So you're over there, and you're saying that number a thousand times a day.
00:37:35.600
So let me give you a potential substitute here.
00:37:39.460
Instead, you could talk about tweeting questions with the hashtag TheBlazeY.
00:37:50.020
Do that on Twitter, and you can ask the questions that we will be answering on tonight's episode
00:38:05.520
He's looking at what he says is the greatest president in the 20th century.
00:38:16.340
I look back as we come up to President's Day here.
00:38:43.360
Pat and Stu for Glenn, who is out with the flu today.
00:38:50.500
Of course, Mike Pence seems to be out of his mind.
00:38:54.860
Mike Pence, apparently, if you're to believe Omarosa, who...
00:39:04.100
Because, you know, everything she says, I'm sure, is completely legitimate.
00:39:22.200
I would say, I mean, look, there are certain names you could put in this category, but I
00:39:26.060
would say Omarosa, number one religious expert in America.
00:39:31.600
You might be able to put someone ahead of her, but I don't think so.
00:39:34.100
I think I'd put her as the number one religious expert in America.
00:39:37.820
So Mike Pence, A, won't have dinner with other women alone.
00:39:43.240
What an idiot on that, especially in this environment with the sexual harassment and all that going
00:39:50.080
And then he thinks, he thinks deity speaks to him?
00:39:58.840
I don't even know how he's walking around the streets of our cities without being in chains.
00:40:04.220
You know, first of all, we need to put him somewhere in like a padded room, you know, so
00:40:08.880
he doesn't hurt himself to begin with or others.
00:40:11.680
It's gotten to the point now, really, where you can't say you get, I don't know, you pray
00:40:17.320
and you listen for answers and you're guided by the spirit or God.
00:40:28.520
Yeah, it used to be something you almost had to say as a politician.
00:40:32.540
Even if you didn't believe it, you had to say that you prayed and listened to God for answers.
00:40:37.880
Now, just the idea of it is mockable, apparently.
00:40:42.360
That's kind of a, again, it's important to note these movements that we have.
00:40:48.000
And let's not forget what it was Nancy Pelosi said a few years ago.
00:40:52.540
They ask me all the time, what is your favorite this?
00:41:01.400
And I said, my favorite word, that is really easy.
00:41:20.560
So a person like Nancy Pelosi can make references to the word, the word of God.
00:41:28.060
And yes, that's written, but you can't also believe in inspiration, I guess, if you're
00:41:36.640
Nobody mocked, well, except for us, Nancy Pelosi on the word stuff.
00:41:41.460
We got a lot of mileage out of it, but it wasn't widespread, per se.
00:41:46.260
The mainstream media didn't go off on that at all.
00:41:53.320
I think we do have the Omarosa thing with Mike Pence, kind of to hear her actual comments.
00:41:58.800
Because she's been, what a, look, Trump has done a lot of really good things.
00:42:05.140
Bringing Omarosa into the White House was not one of them.
00:42:10.600
As bad as y'all think Trump is, you would be worried about Pence.
00:42:17.460
So everybody that's wishing for impeachment might want to reconsider their life.
00:42:22.200
We would be begging for days of Trump back if Pence became president.
00:42:42.380
Oh, you love Jesus, but you don't think that he whispers to people, that he helps people in their lives, he guides and directs?
00:42:54.900
It's just, it's lunacy that we, why is Omarosa even being listened to?
00:43:01.260
Well, because she was put in the White House, right?
00:43:03.740
She would not be being listened to if she was not given a position in the White House and paid the maximum salary allowed there.
00:43:13.600
She's on Celebrity Big Brother or Regular Big Brother.
00:43:18.680
It's a really, really interesting usage of the word celebrity.
00:43:21.680
But yes, she's a Celebrity Big Brother candidate.
00:43:23.980
And I guess now, it's funny because these journalists are, you know how like they, remember the Big Brother when it started, that's stupid, you know, the show.
00:43:33.920
And if you don't know the show, it's basically they got a bunch of cameras in a house and people are watching all the time.
00:43:37.840
And at one point, they converted it to this 24-7 live stream.
00:43:43.360
So you can tune in at any time during the day and watch the show.
00:43:52.900
So that you get a version of it on television that's more packaged.
00:43:55.700
But you can actually just tune into a live stream of this house at any point.
00:44:05.480
But apparently it's still on and they actually just air footage throughout.
00:44:12.320
So these journalists who are obsessed with coming up with little nuggets about how evil Trump or Pence or whoever is are having to sit and just follow Omarosa around the house waiting for her to say something.
00:44:24.520
And they have to kind of monitor it 24 hours a day, which is really irritating them and is the only reason to make you smile in the story.
00:44:32.500
But there's another part of this, which is Omarosa and Piers Morgan are now in a battle.
00:44:44.460
I want to know when Piers Morgan became a conservative, too.
00:44:53.420
He loves Trump and he defends everything he does.
00:44:55.800
Which is great, but it's just disconcerting because I'm not used to it.
00:45:03.380
I mean, yes, he just I think he's friendly with Trump.
00:45:08.460
They have a relationship that goes back a few years.
00:45:15.540
Even when it's been like when Trump has said really conservative things, he's defended him on those conservative things.
00:45:20.520
Yeah, it shows you that Piers Morgan, there's no value in anything he says.
00:45:25.460
Which is why I hesitate to bring this story up at all.
00:45:27.880
But Piers Morgan has written a story in the Daily Mail about his relationship with Omarosa on the show when they were when they were there.
00:45:35.340
He says he met because they were both on Celebrity Apprentice.
00:45:42.480
They he's he says that they met and she he was aware of who she was.
00:45:50.420
Because of her her regular apprentice appearance several years later earlier awaiting their first challenge.
00:45:57.440
Piers Morgan says Omarosa came up to him and suggested that they have sex.
00:46:02.780
Quote, then we can make lots of money out of it.
00:46:08.160
Now, it's impossible for me to find a story with two people that are less likable than these two.
00:46:15.680
But he says Omarosa said to him that we need to have sex and then we can make lots of money out of it.
00:46:39.800
And that's how they can make all their money out of it.
00:46:41.880
Now, after this, after his he apparently said no to her sexual advances, she got very angry with him.
00:46:52.760
Did he turn her down because he's he's a racist?
00:46:56.400
First of all, she said she because it appears was separated from his ex-wife and and a mother, the mother of three of his four children.
00:47:06.120
Omarosa kept taunting him with things like the mother of your children hates you, peers, and your effing children hate you.
00:47:18.240
Then another occasion in front of Lennox Lewis, the former heavyweight champion, she said, hey, peers, I heard you got caught having relations with a gay waiter in a hotel pool.
00:47:39.300
Uh, he says he's not gay and he hadn't heard that.
00:47:45.780
Eventually, um, uh, apparently on record, she Omarosa told Donald Trump that I think peers is in the closet.
00:47:52.960
She called him an effing, um, F word that described its gaze, said he'd been caught, um, giving oral pleasures to a male in a pool.
00:48:06.140
Uh, and, and again, that was her making that up entirely.
00:48:11.940
Uh, now Trump responded, said you're calling peers a homosexual.
00:48:17.400
Uh, and then peers, his response was to come in and to kiss trace Adkins, um, and say, quote, I've always loved a beautiful cowboy and everyone laughed.
00:48:31.360
I just want to, again, I guess why that was such a good show, right?
00:48:39.840
I will say it doesn't seem like a place I would recruit members for the white house though.
00:48:43.380
And I think the Omarosa thing, and you're seeing this, she's obviously trashing people.
00:48:51.840
She's been saying, telling people that there was racism involved in the white house, that she's going to come out with it all.
00:48:57.040
And then, I mean, can you, I mean, can you imagine a less serious thing to do than to leave the white house?
00:49:01.840
And it's supposedly an official actual position where you're doing work, which no one in the white house can seem to detect what she actually did.
00:49:08.400
But, and then go immediately within weeks to celebrity big brother.
00:49:19.940
And why Trump decided to reward her, I guess, loyalty with this position is strange.
00:49:26.460
But I think for all parties involved, it's good that she's out of the white house.
00:49:41.600
I can't get used to his defense of a Republican.
00:49:47.780
Remember, he used to do shows every day about how evil guns were.
00:49:53.520
And he would have a worse, seemingly, he would sit at home all day and try to develop a worse argument than the day before.
00:50:01.000
It was like, he crafted them and he did it every night.
00:50:05.780
Somebody who's still at the White House, though, and is under fire now, again, is Kellyanne Conway.
00:50:11.880
For her comments about Hope Hicks and her relationship with Rob Porter.
00:50:22.340
And I think that was kind of the thing that caused this controversy to kind of pop up.
00:50:33.080
Because Hope Hicks is sort of this character that, you know, people love to investigate.
00:50:40.580
She's, you know, one of the things she does, and I think really well, is she does not make the story about her.
00:50:46.800
She's one of the only people in that White House, especially the early White House, that didn't want the press attention.
00:50:58.120
Like, that's what you're supposed to be doing when you're in the White House.
00:51:01.100
And people like Steve Bannon wanted to do a job for Steve Bannon.
00:51:07.940
Hope seems to actually want to do a job for Donald Trump.
00:51:14.420
So people want to take her down because she's one of the only effective people in the White House.
00:51:20.800
And so they went after her relationship and started looking into it.
00:51:25.580
These accusations came out, and they were serious accusations.
00:51:29.120
Kellyanne Conway, and look, beyond accusations, there seems to be pretty significant evidence that these things are accurate.
00:51:38.200
That Rob Porter did these things, which is hard to believe.
00:51:40.800
Remember, Porter is a guy, he's not just some guy.
00:51:47.100
He's been a guy who's been a mainstay in Republican politics for a while.
00:51:52.340
It's not like just some guy they picked up off the street.
00:51:54.280
It's surprising that this stuff wouldn't have come out previously.
00:51:56.800
And I can understand the White House thinking, if he worked for Orrin Hatch for all these years, we're not going to find any skeletons in the closet.
00:52:03.800
Well, they found skeletons in the closet and pictures of the skeletons in the closet.
00:52:10.660
However, I think there's a way that this has been talked about with the Kellyanne Conway thing where we just constantly just jump to the worst possible way to translate a story because we want to be outraged and we want to go further.
00:52:23.900
Here are the comments that are so controversial from Kellyanne Conway.
00:52:30.780
Well, I'm very close to Hope Hicks and I don't worry about her in that respect.
00:52:35.300
I'm sorry for any suffering that this woman has endured.
00:52:39.500
But in the case of Hope, I've rarely met somebody so strong with such excellent instincts and loyalty and smarts.
00:52:47.580
I didn't have the presence of mind and the professional capabilities at her age that I see in her every single day.
00:52:53.700
She's definitely strong, but strong women get abused, too.
00:53:00.640
There's a stigma of silence surrounding all of these issues.
00:53:04.000
Again, whether it's drug abuse, child abuse, certainly intimate partner and spousal abuse.
00:53:08.700
There's no question that it knows no demographic or geographic balance.
00:53:15.520
The way that was translated by the media was that Kellyanne Conway was blaming the victims of the abuse because they weren't strong enough.
00:53:30.820
What she's trying to do is navigate an impossibly awkward situation where her friend is dating this person.
00:53:36.800
Nothing she could say would have been right there.
00:53:39.500
She's trying to say something nice about her friend or her co-worker.
00:53:44.380
She's not saying that people who were abused by this guy were weak and that was the cause of it.
00:53:49.180
First of all, she gives additional explanations like excellent instincts.
00:53:54.580
Again, saying that, you know, I think she's trying to say if she felt that something like this was going to happen, she'd leave.
00:53:59.240
But beyond that, she goes on to profusely agree with Jake Tapper's analysis that strong women get abused too.
00:54:09.040
And she admits that and says it multiple times and says that there's no limitation, that anyone can be a victim of it.
00:54:17.460
And this has become a controversy as if Kellyanne Conway was blaming the women for being abused because they weren't strong enough.
00:54:24.200
Now, no one who's made that point, I don't think, believes Kellyanne Conway thinks that.
00:54:30.560
Nobody thinks Kellyanne Conway's going, you know what?
00:54:33.300
If she was just strong enough, she wouldn't have been able to be been hit.
00:54:40.520
But because they can't stand Trump, they go to any lengths to vilify somebody from the administration who's doing nothing but saying, trying to say something positive in an impossible situation.
00:54:52.120
She's just saying, look, my, you know, my close co-worker is dating this person.
00:55:02.120
But, you know, she's very strong and has great instincts.
00:55:04.440
You know, what is she supposed to do in that spot?
00:55:07.860
There's nothing they would have been okay with.
00:55:10.520
Nothing she would have said would have been okay.
00:55:12.640
Including the fact that she agreed with Jake Tapper's analysis that it's not about strength.
00:55:18.000
She actually said it and they still called her out on it.
00:55:22.600
There's nothing you can do in those situations.
00:55:28.040
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Even though I can see you, I heard the air quotes.
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Interesting on, I don't know, Valentine's Day when he admitted that he had nothing planned.
00:57:25.720
He talked about 1-800-Flowers all week and then forgot to order.
00:57:39.380
And now Tanya's going to be like taking care of him.
00:58:00.400
As for me, I think the love that my wife and I have for one another has transcended Valentine's
00:58:14.180
I believe our love has transcended Valentine's Day.
00:58:18.920
It would demean our relationship to do something superficial on this day just because it's February
00:58:27.780
So basically, you also didn't get her anything.
00:58:31.820
What I'm saying is our love is too big to demean it in this way.
00:58:37.260
It would be demeaning it to do something nice for her on Valentine's Day.
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Now, after, I mean, immediately after Sean White won his third gold medal last night,
01:00:12.400
the accusation started to fly or the reminders.
01:00:17.880
I guess it's been out there for a little while that he's been accused of sexual harassment.
01:00:27.720
And so he's under fire because of the way he handled this and because of the allegation
01:00:44.140
I'm, you know, honestly, here to talk about the Olympics, not, you know, gossip.
01:00:55.180
And my friends, you know, love me and vowed for me.
01:01:03.640
But so you're saying that the allegations against you are gossip.
01:01:06.600
I think we're here to talk about the gold medal and the amazing day we had today.
01:01:10.680
So if we don't have another question, why don't we go ahead and just pass the mic?
01:01:14.040
I said, it's a, it's an amazing standard we've hit with this and that you can't even say
01:01:26.380
The only acceptable response is to feel for the person accusing you.
01:01:30.120
It's to immediately apologize whether you apparently did it or not.
01:01:37.940
Because if you didn't do anything more than a tad, what are you apologizing for?
01:01:43.320
But they jumped all over him for calling it gossip because supposedly there's a settlement
01:01:48.780
Now, did he do all the things that he's accused of for, for one thing, he is accused of repeatedly
01:01:58.360
This, uh, this drummer in his band, he's got a band on the side called, uh, bad things.
01:02:03.280
She was the drummer in his band for a while for about seven years, I think.
01:02:08.340
So the quote is repeatedly sexually harassed her and forced his authoritarian management
01:02:18.180
That's not, that's not, that's not, that's not okay.
01:02:20.800
Not okay to be an authoritarian management style, but here's the thing.
01:02:24.620
Uh, leave the band if you don't like his authoritarian management style, can't you leave the band
01:02:36.280
I don't buy the, well, he was in a power position.
01:02:45.500
From the business perspective side of it completely, right?
01:02:48.360
Like if someone, everybody's had a boss, I mean, you know, usually I have one that's
01:02:52.560
sitting in your seat most days that is really irritating to work for, obviously.
01:02:57.880
Um, and that, so that part of it is, yeah, you're right.
01:03:01.800
There's this big lawsuit going on with vice right now in which, uh, one of the accusations
01:03:06.000
is, and again, this is just focusing on this one part of it is, you know, a woman said she
01:03:10.740
got hired for like 35 grand a year and another writer got hired, it was a guy for 45 grand
01:03:20.780
Well, again, that is the type of thing that you, if, if you believe your, uh, female genitals
01:03:28.100
are the reason why I guess you could go out and, and, and have all the lawsuits you want.
01:03:33.420
However, this company would be morons for, cause you could go to another, if you're really
01:03:39.440
worth 45,000, like you are 55,000, like you believe you were, you could go to another
01:03:47.360
Why wouldn't you want to maximize, uh, your, um, the amount of money you made?
01:03:50.620
And in addition to that, it means vice would probably fail.
01:03:57.480
I only want guys with people with this sort of genitals, uh, working for me and I'm going
01:04:04.220
This that's how companies will go out of business.
01:04:09.440
This is goes back to, you know, why men earn more.
01:04:12.100
The guy, there was a guy, uh, we've talked about him before.
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Uh, he was in the New York, um, national organization of women.
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He was the director of the national organization of women in, in New York city.
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And he decided, he saw all the propaganda about, Hey, you know, women earn at that time.
01:04:29.520
It was like 60 cents on the dollar or whatever it was, uh, than men.
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And he, a pretty smart observation was like, Hey, this is great.
01:04:37.300
I can just go get women and hire them for 60% of the cost and make a lot of money.
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So he started looking into that and did that with his own company.
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And what he found was that it didn't work at all because women had different priorities
01:04:51.100
And there were a lot of reasons that explained that wage gap, which is a lot smaller now,
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but still the wage gap, it was, it wasn't real.
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It was because of men who wanted to do more dangerous jobs than women did.
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And men were more likely to leave for three months to go work on an oil rig in the middle
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of, uh, you know, some, you know, uh, crazy part of the ocean than they, than women were.
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And so men's, you just averaging out salaries made no difference at all.
01:05:24.260
There's part of it here that like, if you're talking about authoritative men or authoritarian
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management style, who knows what that actually means, but generally speaking, that's a good
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You should not be sexually harassed and have to leave, right?
01:05:39.740
If he sent sexually explicit and graphic images, as she says, then that's despicable.
01:05:46.960
Now his attorney says the, the allegations lack merit.
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I haven't seen the, the evidence one way or the other.
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I mean, people will be yelling about it, stripping him of his gold medal.
01:06:05.320
I'm sure that you can't function in society anymore.
01:06:11.780
I am dying to see this moment in the middle of the me too movement, which is this someone's
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on, on, on TV with someone who talking about somebody who's been sexually harassed, or there's
01:06:23.740
You know, you're talking to whatever, whoever the host is and you say, look, have you, is
01:06:27.500
there anyone in your life host that you have not sexually harassed?
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Is there one member in your life, any female you've worked with in your entire life that
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I would assume the answer to that would be yes.
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So give me that, think of who that person is and think about tomorrow.
01:06:46.480
That person comes out with an accusation of sexual harassment about you.
01:06:59.640
What reasoning, what excuse, what explanation can you possibly give that other hosts would
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allow you to give without calling you a hater of women?
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What is the, what's the combination of words that you could use to explain that you didn't
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actually do this, but of course you care about women being sexually harassed because people
01:07:22.980
Some of them who have been accused have legitimately done these things.
01:07:27.120
We've talked about dozens of them, but if you are wrongfully accused, we are setting up
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a society that does not allow you to defend yourself, does not allow you to say, as he said,
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I don't know if his are true or not, but if it were not true, how would he defend himself
01:07:43.800
other than saying like, look, people are talking about stuff.
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I don't want to call her a liar because then you're going to get mad at me.
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I don't want to say that it's not important because then you're going to say, I don't
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think all women's accusations of sexual harassment are important.
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Again, an unconfirmed rumor that I'm trying to kind of push off to the side because I didn't
01:08:06.660
Well, even that is not, there's no combination of words that you would find acceptable in
01:08:13.520
And there has to be, you know, Trump came out with that tweet about due process, which I
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mean, he's not talking about constitutional due process.
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Obviously he's not, these aren't necessarily being charged with crimes here, but some sort
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of process to determine whether the person did the thing you're talking about.
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Like, I, I don't know why that should not be crazy.
01:08:38.620
Uh, they're talking, uh, about whether Trump is an abuser or not based on this tweet.
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Violence against women is a human rights issue.
01:08:49.580
And I want to reiterate my call to GOP and Republican women that it is time to get out.
01:08:55.640
I feel like GOP women are trapped with their abuser, which is Trump.
01:09:04.220
Now they decided to actually ask Trump voters what they thought of his position when it comes
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Do you think the president's compassion may have been misguided?
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I don't think that it means that he doesn't have compassion for women.
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I think that if you leave something out of a sentence or you leave someone out, it doesn't
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I think that we're victimizing the president, if you will, by the sense that every single
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word, every single tweet that he puts out is being scrutinized to the last molecule.
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But should lives be condemned without due process?
01:09:43.440
So despite this tweet, you all do believe that he is a great supporter of women and stands
01:09:54.280
And, and look, I, you know, he's, uh, people make arguments.
01:09:58.180
He's, he's elevated a lot of women to very powerful positions in the government.
01:10:01.920
Um, and so, and he did that in his business as well.
01:10:04.560
It was one of his defenses when these things were coming out, but separately from whether
01:10:07.600
he actually likes women or not, the idea that a person can be accused of something with
01:10:13.520
no process of figuring out whether that accusation is true.
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And that's happened over and over and over and over again.
01:10:20.740
I don't understand how you could be on the other side of that one.
01:10:23.180
Now, look, with Rob Porter, there is a picture, there is a, he's still denying it, but there
01:10:32.880
He's giving some of a weird explanation of how it happened.
01:10:35.660
And at least there's a reason to, to have some skepticism over his denial, right?
01:10:42.120
Um, there were, at the time there were, um, uh, you know, there were police reports and
01:10:52.440
We, we weren't there, but to me, it seems like something really bad happened on multiple
01:10:58.580
Um, so, but again, you're, you're, I'm judging that never, I've never met either of these
01:11:06.720
Now, Donald Trump has spent months with this guy and he's found him to be a trustworthy,
01:11:11.560
good guy as, as he even defended him after the accusations came out.
01:11:16.100
So he's, he's dealing with more information than I have or that any of these journalists
01:11:21.680
Because he spent a lot of time with them and that's, that's part of this.
01:11:24.680
You know, maybe he is misjudging, uh, this person based on a personal relationship, but
01:11:29.540
that's information that he's had over and gained over, over a year.
01:11:32.980
The issue here is not about Rob Porter who, I mean, look, the president, they, they fired
01:11:40.940
Technically he resigned, but I mean, they want, they pushed him out because they saw these pictures
01:11:46.000
And this is something that happens with human beings.
01:11:47.560
I mean, the Ray Rice thing is a good example of it.
01:11:49.280
The NFL, you know, uh, suspended him for a couple of games until the video came out.
01:11:54.060
When you start seeing photos and you realize that the real, uh, nature of these things
01:11:57.920
and it's not, it goes from a, uh, uh, a legalese word, uh, on, on a piece of paper into a photo.
01:12:07.880
He actually claims he took the photo in question.
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The one that happened when they were on vacation in Florence.
01:12:18.080
Now she says she took the photograph of herself with a black eye, but Mr. Porter in, according
01:12:23.920
to the story says, first of all, the images are misleading.
01:12:28.060
I took the photos given to the media nearly 15 years ago.
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And the reality behind them is nowhere close to what's being described.
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He said something about like, you know, she may have been hit with a glass of some sort.
01:12:52.140
Again, my belief is that this actually happened and it's really bad.
01:12:56.820
So to set that straight, but we also have to acknowledge that at some point, something
01:13:03.280
And the person who is accused will not have done it.
01:13:07.140
And he has, that person has no way of defending themselves because every excuse from, I didn't
01:13:15.000
Uh, I just want to make sure that I understand that everyone understands how I feel about
01:13:21.100
There's everywhere, everything in between there.
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And it's like, if you didn't actually do it, what would you say?
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You've taken all of the words and made them all disallowed.
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And that, that can't be the way we do this either.
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The only acceptable thing is I support her accusations, but if you do get right, you
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But that's the only acceptable thing you can say.
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Now, Louis CK, if you remember this one, he, uh, did things to himself in the room with
01:13:56.460
Now he says he never did anything without their permission.
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And their, their response to that was, well, but he was a powerful comedian and he had power
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Because Louis CK in his statement basically said, you know what?
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I should have never done those things because I was famous.
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And, uh, they, even though they agreed, I still shouldn't have done it because I should
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have known they couldn't say no because I was admired by them was the way he put it.
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And it's like, wow, even that, which is like the most over the top, uh, conciliatory way
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And we haven't heard a word from the guy since.
01:14:43.560
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It's Pat and Stu for Glenn on the Glenn Beck program.
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Pat and Stu for Glenn, uh, who is down with the flu today.
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Although it is, you know, Valentine's Day, so that may have something to do with it.
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Yeah, bottom line is he didn't prepare, he didn't get to Tanya anything.
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Got some interesting, uh, school issues that have arisen again.
01:18:07.420
One is in the, uh, Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex in a, in a, an ISD, an independent school
01:18:15.620
Uh, they have disciplined a teacher for handing out a questionnaire to sixth grade students.
01:18:24.640
Ask them to rank their level of comfort with people of different races, ethnic, ethnicities,
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The, how comfortable am I questionnaire was distributed to one class at North Richmond,
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And one of the parents said she was shocked when her 12 year old son came home and showed
01:18:47.940
I wasn't quite ready for my son to be exposed to these types of things.
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How do you feel and rank them on a range of one to four, one being I'm not comfortable
01:19:00.220
at all, four being I'm completely comfortable with this.
01:19:03.420
A friend invites you to a gay bar at 12 years old.
01:19:08.740
Well, I, first of all, we'd be breaking the law by entering a bar under the age of drinking.
01:19:22.180
Cause it's, it's interesting cause I, uh, you know, I, a lot of gay people go to, there's
01:19:29.720
But a bar that's not a gay bar, but it's, I wouldn't say it's overwhelmingly common for
01:19:37.960
It does seem like, uh, when you put the sexual orientation of the people you're choosing
01:19:42.080
to enter in kind of the title of the bar, maybe the people who don't have that sexual
01:19:46.760
orientation might not want to go in or it might not be their first choice.
01:19:50.520
And yet you're supposed to still be comfortable with it, I guess.
01:19:54.480
Isn't that the point of a questionnaire like this?
01:19:58.840
Well, I'm not gay and not that I, you know, have a, they let them do it.
01:20:04.660
They, I just don't want to go in there because that's not my sexual orientation.
01:20:11.080
I would think, and I I'm speculating a tad here, but if, uh, maybe one of our gay listeners
01:20:16.180
could call in on this topic, I would be interested to know as a gay man, gay man, gay journalist,
01:20:22.540
if you're a gay man and you go to a gay bar, are you happy if a straight man is there?
01:20:29.620
Because to me, I would think if I'm going to a gay bar, it limits your opportunity and
01:20:37.380
Like you might be thinking like, Oh, I assume I walked into a gay bar.
01:20:40.760
I assume what 90% of the people here are also gay.
01:20:44.060
It's a gay bar, maybe more, maybe a hundred percent is what you're hoping for.
01:20:47.840
Uh, and if there's a straight guy who's there because, you know, he's trying to show how tolerant
01:20:52.400
and woke he is, I didn't think that'd be kind of annoying as a gay guy.
01:20:56.980
Like, I'd rather know that everyone, like, I don't have to go up and figure out whether
01:21:01.080
this person is straight or gay as you would at maybe an, at another bar.
01:21:05.920
You go to a bar normally to meet somebody to start a relationship with, right?
01:21:11.460
It's at least part of the, part of the reason it's particularly.
01:21:14.020
So you're at the, you're at the bar to meet somebody.
01:21:18.580
Not all the, I mean, like I've gone to bars without wanting to meet people.
01:21:21.920
I mean, I, you know, it's, it's a fun environment.
01:21:25.400
Well, yeah, you could, you could be watching a football game or.
01:21:28.200
There's a lot, you know, but yes, if you're going to a, you'd think if you're going to
01:21:34.360
You're looking for gay people to hang out with.
01:21:37.200
That doesn't necessarily mean you're looking to start a relationship, but that's certainly
01:21:40.080
implied and would be a, a, a high percentage play.
01:21:44.640
So to a 12 year old person in, in elementary school, strange, strange question.
01:21:52.100
Because, you know, again, it would be illegal for them to enter the building.
01:21:56.760
So they should feel completely uncomfortable with it.
01:22:01.440
Your sister invites her new boyfriend to dinner, but he is a female to male transsexual.
01:22:16.220
Well, you're transsexual if you've actually had, is this right?
01:22:21.000
I don't know what you're about to say, but whatever you're saying, you're about to say
01:22:24.460
It can't be right because it's coming out of your mouth.
01:22:41.420
So if your, your sister brings over a male to female.
01:22:56.700
It's an interesting question to ask a sixth grader.
01:23:00.340
Any of these sexual orientation questions with a sixth grader, with a 12 year old, to
01:23:09.320
First of all, what does the school have to do with any of this?
01:23:16.280
And I want you to leave the social justice nonsense to me.
01:23:28.120
And apparently a lot of these parents were because, um, you know, it's in Texas and people
01:23:33.640
still get livid about their children being asked sexual questions like this.
01:23:39.280
And actually the, uh, teacher involved was, was disciplined.
01:23:44.560
Um, so the, it doesn't necessarily spell out what the discipline was, but the, yeah, they
01:23:50.680
didn't elaborate on it, but they do say that she was in fact, uh, disciplined.
01:23:56.680
A middle school teacher in Florida got fired last year for doing the same questionnaire.
01:24:01.820
So apparently this is making the rounds in schools across America.
01:24:05.660
And probably not a good idea, particularly at that level.
01:24:07.700
I mean, I don't know that I want it at any level, you know, that's not, I don't want
01:24:11.560
I mean, now if you go to a very liberal college, you send your kids there and you want to, you
01:24:15.900
know, have them in, you know, investigate their gender identity.
01:24:19.000
That's, you know, totally sociology class or whatever choice when you're going to a public
01:24:23.920
school, I mean, even if you went to a private, if you, if you, as a parent, Pat chose to send
01:24:29.260
your kid to a social justice private school, that would be something that would be expected
01:24:34.220
When it's, when you're talking about a public school that you're paying for with your tax
01:24:38.100
dollars, that's supposed to be, uh, teaching your kids the basics of learning.
01:24:43.140
It's obviously not appropriate, but this is just, I mean, like the schools in general are
01:24:49.760
They're not talking about banning the idea of having a best friend.
01:24:57.500
So you, because if you have a best friend, that means you're saying to others, you're
01:25:02.600
not, they're not their best friends, which is that's exclusive.
01:25:13.360
And apparently this is something they actually believe is an issue.
01:25:16.240
So now look, obviously when you're a kid, you're very sensitive to who's your best
01:25:20.660
I mean, did you, when you were a kid, did you have like a, an internal list of who
01:25:24.280
you're, I used to have a top, like three, my top three friends list in my head.
01:25:29.040
You know, like that is, you kind of do that when you're a kid.
01:25:33.300
It's not something necessarily I would want schools to encourage, right?
01:25:38.260
Like I wouldn't necessarily say, Hey, let's give your top, give me your list of your top
01:25:42.480
I wouldn't say that that wouldn't necessarily be appropriate either.
01:25:49.640
They discourage students from having best friends.
01:25:56.660
And they can have, are considering banning best friends with the enthusiastic support of
01:26:08.160
You have, your kids were homeschooled, uh, for most of their, uh, lives and you're a
01:26:15.260
And you know, like I just don't want the experimentation on my kids.
01:26:20.240
You know, I feel like there's, there's this idea that, you know what we, we try to, we, we
01:26:27.260
I don't want to be the parent who sends their kids into that environment where they're the
01:26:31.900
Like, I don't want my kid to be the poor field mouse that's getting needles put into
01:26:35.560
it, uh, with whatever experiment the government thinks is a good idea this week.
01:26:44.040
Um, they, uh, clinical psychologist, Dr. Barbara Greenberg told WCBS that the idea is catching
01:26:51.140
According to Greenberg, there has been a movement in some American schools and European schools
01:26:54.760
to ban the phrase best friend, which is interesting because can a government institution ban
01:27:01.820
words, I'm going to go with no, there's not really a basis for that.
01:27:07.060
But the idea of banning the phrase best friends is a very intriguing social experiment.
01:27:18.520
Um, Greenberg acknowledged that simply banning the phrase won't stop children from having
01:27:22.080
close relationships, but I encourage kids to be more inclusive in their friendships.
01:27:25.280
I see kids come in all week who are feeling dreadful because they are excluded and because
01:27:30.860
they are neither, either nobody's best friend or their best friend has moved on.
01:27:35.160
So if this doesn't work, then the next step is to ban best friends, right?
01:27:42.140
Isn't that the natural progression of this movement?
01:27:45.920
Not only can you not say that that's your best friend, you can't even hang out with your best
01:27:51.760
friend now because we want you to be more inclusive.
01:27:56.380
I could, I could see them experimenting with that too.
01:28:02.060
A hundred percent because they, that is what this, apparently what education has become
01:28:08.520
And it's not what I, you know, it's not why I wanted to go to school.
01:28:11.120
It's not why I, it's not what the reason I think that school exists.
01:28:16.260
My kids to a learning level, getting them as smart as they can to be able to figure out
01:28:20.480
how to think and then let them figure it out on their own along with their parents, their
01:28:26.420
You know, that is your, I think what we've lost here is the idea of school as part of the
01:28:35.400
School is a chunk of what kids gain as they grow up.
01:28:41.120
Instead, we say that needs to be all, they need to do all of it instead of saying like,
01:28:47.020
okay, well, let's fill in the reading, writing, arithmetic, the basics, and then let their
01:28:51.440
culture and their parents and their friends and their relatives fill in the gaps, the belief
01:29:03.020
Because, you know, look, can, can parents teach kids to read?
01:29:10.160
But the idea that we're supposed to fill in everything from, you know, every sexual thought
01:29:16.300
that they might have has to be filled in at school.
01:29:17.300
And whether or not they should be comfortable being invited to a gay bar at 12 years old
01:29:25.180
That, that is something that could, I mean, first of all, we've outlawed as a society.
01:29:31.060
Bars have a, I mean, I mean, I guess you can go to a bar at Chili's at any age.
01:29:35.960
But, I mean, a lot of states have roles that you can't even sit.
01:29:39.840
And they, where I worked, they, you couldn't sit kids at the bar.
01:29:44.720
Like, you could, they could be at a table and their parents could order drinks.
01:29:47.220
But they couldn't sit at the bar and order food even if they weren't drinking because
01:29:51.960
The idea that you could send a kid into a gay club at 12 years old is, I would say, probably
01:30:02.340
So, yes, you should feel uncomfortable with that.
01:30:09.460
Now, whether you do or not is another question.
01:30:12.080
But, really, it's not something we need to investigate at six years old.
01:30:15.440
And neither is forcing them to expand their horizons with friends.
01:30:20.460
That, again, is not a function of the school system.
01:30:24.840
It's none of your business who they're hanging out with, frankly.
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Apparently, Trey Gowdy has spoken out on this Rob Porter mess.
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Are you troubled by Rob Porter's employment in the White House?
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Number one's the interim security clearance issue.
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But even more importantly, I spent two decades believing women and children who alleged abuse,
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So whether or not there's a security clearance at issue or not,
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I have real questions about how someone like this could be considered for employment,
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So, yeah, I'm troubled by almost every aspect of this.
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And so now that we know that, I mean, according to yesterday,
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Chris Ray's testimony that they told the White House four times,
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they gave the White House four separate, four different installments of the report,
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some of them complete, that included the allegations from the ex-wives of violence.
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So how could he still have a job at the White House?
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That's a great question and one that I can't answer.
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Those are the questions that I think ought to be asked.
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But quite frankly, so does the public and so does the media.
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And if you knew it in 2017 and the Bureau briefed him three times,
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I don't, the security clearance is a separate issue.
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I mean, it's an important issue, but it's separate.
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How do you have any job if you have credible allegations of domestic abuse?
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But you don't have to be biased towards the victim to ask,
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How do you, how were you hired in the first place when you did the background check?
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I mean, and it's a weird statement to come from a guy, a prosecutor, right?
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Like a guy who is involved in the legal system.
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Yeah, that's not our justice system, by the way.
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Victims should be taken seriously, but not necessarily believed.
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There should always be skepticism of an allegation.
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Because we, again, it's innocent until proven guilty.
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Now, he's not necessarily talking about the legal standard here, however.
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And the standard of whether he should be working in the White House is a different one.
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The standard of what we feel as a generalized public,
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the court of public opinion, is a much lower standard, right?
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I mean, we judge things all the time on the left and the right without all the information.
01:35:20.620
But I do think there has to be a process here, some sort of process.
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It just seems that, like, you know, so far, this does not look good for him.
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That being said, the fact that Trey Gowdy is out there saying how the hell was this guy employed?
01:35:37.980
I mean, I honestly think there's a good chance this leads to Kelly leaving.
01:35:43.400
Kelly, I think, has done a good job since he got in there.
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It would be interesting to see why that happened.
01:35:53.040
There have been people who have handled things in ways that are really incompetent.
01:35:58.160
All the, you know, the Lewandowskis and the Scaramucci's and all of them are going after Kelly.
01:36:04.440
But I think, generally speaking, he's done a pretty good job for Trump, General Kelly.
01:36:10.320
And he obviously has a really legitimate, you know, backstory and strong resume and history.
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It just seems like this one's, he did not handle well.
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Maybe from a personal blindness of really liking this guy and not taking the accusation seriously enough early enough.
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And I think, you know, it's not like certainly he's not pro-use.
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And I think that may very well be what happened here.
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But because it seemed like Trump had soured on him a little bit anyway.
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And since Kelly's been in there, he doesn't like that control.
01:37:19.880
I start off the year eating pretty good and maybe dropping a few pounds from the holidays.
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And then Super Bowl comes around and I blow it all over again.
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It's kind of a planned part of my life, to be honest about it.
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But Ridgizone is helping me bounce back this time.
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Usually it takes me a month or so to actually bounce back from the Super Bowl.
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I've had a, I've been doing, you know, I've lost, what, 10 pounds since the beginning of the year.
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Um, and Ridgizone helps because it helps, you know, curb your cravings.
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And it is a great idea for you if you are doing the same thing that I'm doing.
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Trying to drop a few pounds and get back into a little bit of shape.
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There's nothing wrong with getting a little bit of help, uh, when you're trying to lose weight.
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Uh, I start off the year eating pretty good and, and, and maybe dropping a few pounds from the holidays.
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And then Super Bowl comes around and I blow it all over again.
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I kind, it's kind of a planned part of my life to be honest about it.
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But Ridgizone is helping me bounce back this time.
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Usually it takes me a month or so to actually bounce back from the, from the Super Bowl.
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I've had a, I've been doing, you know, I've lost what, 10 pounds since the beginning of the year, 12 pounds, something like that.
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Um, and Ridgizone helps because it helps, you know, curb your cravings.
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With me, Pat Gray, uh, where you can listen to my show, uh, Pat Gray Unleashed, coming up in about half an hour on most of this same network.
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We'll also, uh, it also features us, Stu, who is here every day.
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I am, and we're, uh, together, Pat, on the new show, The News and Why It Matters, airing at 5.30 p.m. tonight.
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There's one perfect thing, and, and, honey, this, this one is it.
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You can ask questions, um, why does Pat always quote song lyrics in the middle of normal conversations?
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You can ask that with the hashtag TheBlazeY, W-H-Y, TheBlazeY on Twitter.
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If I use that, it won't get to where it needs to go.
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You should check TheBlazeY, too, because I think if I was hearing, I'd be like, TheBlaze,
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I've also really enjoyed, uh, seeing, uh, getting my Jeffy fix on, uh, the Doc Thompson program.
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You know, look, Doc needs to be propped up a couple of days a week.
01:40:38.860
Uh, we, uh, wanted to bring you in here, because this is the segment that Pat normally
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Uh, we wanted to bring Jeffy in, because we had a story that we thought might relate
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It's not the story of, uh, of, uh, we're talking, you guys were talking about bars with Pat
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Or is anyone in tune with the, uh, with the nightlife situation around town?
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One of the few people that think you go to a bar for a relationship?
01:41:20.700
The New York Times, as an op-ed from Ross Duton, who is kind of the conservative, one
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of the conservative columnists at the New York Times.
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I would say their, their biggest, you know, highest profile conservative columnist at the
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And it's interesting, because I think this is one of those, it's a debate that used to
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happen a lot, I'd say, in the 80s and 90s, was, was on the table, right?
01:41:52.720
I think it's an interesting thing to bring back up and, and argue.
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And let, let me at least give you this case here, Jeff, and you tell me, um, what part of
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it you oppose, because we all know you're going to oppose it.
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At one time, uh, the surrender to porn was not inevitable.
01:42:05.860
It was only a generation ago, uh, that the unlikely alliance of feminists and religious
01:42:10.280
conservatives made the regulation of pornography a live political debate.
01:42:13.500
But between the individualistic drift of society, the invention of the internet, uh, and, uh,
01:42:19.700
the predictions that porn, the failed predictions that porn would release, lead to rising rates
01:42:27.600
Um, you know, it kind of goes into the Me Too part of this.
01:42:33.280
In many of the Me Too complaints, you see a kind of female revulsion, not against Harvey
01:42:37.040
Weinstein-style predators, but against the very sort of male personality that a pornographic
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A breed at once entitled and resentful, angry and under-motivated, shaped by unprecedented
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possibilities for sexual gratification, and frustrated that real women are less available
01:42:54.420
and more complicated than the version we see on the screen.
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I don't think that he's saying he looks at porn, Jeffy.
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So if you want better men by any standard, there is every reason to regard ubiquitous pornography
01:43:09.880
as an obstacle and to suspect that between virtual reality and creepy forms of customization,
01:43:18.260
And we're talking about stuff like, you know, there's this new stuff with artificial intelligence
01:43:22.640
where you can put, actresses are putting, they're getting their face put on porn videos
01:43:27.780
so it looks like you're watching Scarlett Johansson in a porn film.
01:43:31.560
And Glenn brought this up the other day, which is, it's going to get weirder than that.
01:43:35.060
Glenn's, of course, always ahead on this technology stuff.
01:43:38.360
That it's going to be the woman in your office that you want to ask out and you're too nervous
01:43:51.520
I'm just saying that I am aware of the fake porn shots.
01:43:55.180
Yes, the fake porn movies, films, whatever you want to call them.
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Now, you can still find it, but as soon as they're aware, they pull it.
01:44:13.360
You don't want to question the credibility of one of the big porn sites.
01:44:20.040
I find it interesting that we're discussing banning porn on a show that is so concerned
01:44:32.180
Love and porn have no relationship to whatever.
01:44:38.780
Let me ask two legitimate, honest questions for you, Jeffy, Pat.
01:44:50.340
Is there any legitimate way to actually make it happen if you wanted to make it happen?
01:44:56.360
I mean, I know Pat's answer is going to be, well, you know, we probably should, although
01:45:05.580
I mean, forever, men and women have wanted to look at each other.
01:45:14.020
To push back on that point a little bit, because I would be with you in that I don't think
01:45:16.920
it should be banned, because, you know, I don't think you could do that.
01:45:27.500
But you've got the First Amendment going, and you can't, they'll scream First Amendment.
01:45:33.500
You know, is that the right thing to scream, though?
01:45:35.140
It probably is, even though for vices like this, I don't think that's what the founders
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But, you know, at this point, it does protect that, and it'd be really hard to overcome that.
01:46:03.660
You know it when you see it, is the way they always say.
01:46:10.640
But I think the argument here is, and I think the argument Ross is making, and he's made
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it on Twitter as well, as they've gone back and he's had some arguments with libertarians
01:46:18.520
And his point is, I guess, not necessarily a full-out ban.
01:46:20.620
You're not going to stop people from seeing these things, right?
01:46:22.900
But if you remember how it was, let's say in the 80s, right?
01:46:26.860
You'd have to go to a store staffed by someone like Jeffy to purchase a tape.
01:46:40.100
And you had to make a decision that I'm going to be the guy who walks through those beads
01:46:45.660
or that curtain and everybody's going to see you.
01:46:50.060
But I mean, again, granted for people like you, it isn't.
01:46:57.740
If you took it off, if porn was completely available, but just not a computer.
01:47:03.340
Because I think there's a line of the Jeffy side of life, right?
01:47:07.920
Where people are going to walk through any wall, whether it's beaded or if it's concrete,
01:47:15.260
But there's also a large portion of society who didn't interact with porn back in those
01:47:26.940
Well, because you're able to just, I mean, it's in your living room.
01:47:32.840
It's in the comfort and privacy of your own home.
01:47:39.120
Like, if governments came out and banned Bitcoin, the Bitcoin people say, you can't ban Bitcoin
01:47:50.380
However, a guy like me who is interested in cryptocurrency because I think it's an interesting
01:48:00.040
But I'm not, if it's illegal in the country, I'm not walking through the walls of illegality
01:48:05.480
And I think most people are in that, if you had to go to BitTorrent to get porn, that
01:48:10.400
was the only way you could get it by some crazy, shady 4chan, whatever.
01:48:16.560
But like, there's some shady way of getting it.
01:48:18.800
The average person probably isn't walking through that wall.
01:48:22.160
You could probably cut back, if you quote unquote banned it, you could cut back probably
01:48:30.960
I mean, I realize that we're, you know, we've made it easy to access and anyone can see
01:48:47.720
I mean, still going to be, you know, behind, somebody's going to have it.
01:48:51.920
Somebody's going to find a way to go to crypto porn and then bring it outside of crypto porn
01:49:04.320
It would be harder to get rich off of it, right?
01:49:06.620
If you were, you wanted to go into the porn business, and I know this is something you've
01:49:12.520
If you wanted to go into this business, it would be harder to make your millions, right?
01:49:16.520
It would be because you'd have to jump, have everyone jumping through these hoops.
01:49:20.080
Again, I don't support this, but it's an interesting argument.
01:49:23.900
Let me, let me see if I can sell you on this one though.
01:49:26.480
Do you remember Melissa King, Miss Delaware Teen USA, back in 2012?
01:49:35.380
Apparently, she had a wonderful birthday, her 18th, and then went on a little trip to
01:49:47.960
Was this from, remember the porn documentary that we watched?
01:49:51.160
How to become a porn star or whatever, same kind of thing?
01:50:00.440
I think a year or two later, she wins Miss Delaware Teen USA.
01:50:04.900
Eventually, she gets her title stripped because they find out she had been making porn.
01:50:10.040
This is a, Washington Post asked this question back at the time, which is an interesting one.
01:50:14.980
Is 18 the appropriate age to be making decisions to get into porn?
01:50:21.420
Look, even if you want it to be legal and you think adults, consenting adults can do what
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Should it at least be the age where you can go buy a drink in a bar?
01:50:30.400
Where you can be asked to go to a gay bar with your friend?
01:50:41.040
I mean, I'll give you, it should be what we deem an adult.
01:50:45.660
And in many places, 18, we deem an adult, right?
01:51:00.300
Because, I mean, 18 years old, you could be in high school, right?
01:51:06.100
I mean, that seems to be a questionable line for this particular behavior.
01:51:12.660
But, you know, again, in today's world, and, you know, I'm using today's world as an
01:51:17.840
example, not that it should be put any more weight on it.
01:51:21.360
But, I mean, those youngsters, I mean, they're taking shots of each other all the time and
01:51:28.700
themselves and trying to show themselves off all the time.
01:51:35.420
Because you make dumb decisions when you're 18 years old.
01:51:39.700
You make dumb decisions when you're 18 years old.
01:51:44.860
Well, let's look at the voting age, for instance.
01:51:50.920
I know you've been a proponent of that for a while.
01:51:56.780
If you can't be president, you shouldn't vote for president, is essentially your point.
01:52:02.600
I'm actually okay with that particular law, voting at 35, but not as an adult.
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We'll leave it there, as you might expect we would.
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Talking Walking Dead back up and running next week, baby.
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Because Walking Dead is back in less than two weeks.
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Jeffy, you're one of the biggest podcasters there is about Walking Dead.
01:52:38.680
No, well, I walked myself into it, and I had to finish it.
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But I will say, like, Walking Dead sends Jeffy all these ridiculous props for the show.
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It's Pat and Stu for Glenn, who's under the weather today.
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We've had the announcement now that there will be an announcement tomorrow on Mitt Romney's
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candidacy for the Senate seat that Orrin Hatch will vacate in November.
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He's announced that he's going to announce that he's running.
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Right now, he's just announced that he's announcing that he's running.
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Also, Elizabeth Warren, who we think might be running in 2020, has-
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She's appeared in front of a group of Native Americans to address, apparently, her Native
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It's just, she's trying to find a way out of it.
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Because, honestly, if she was honest about this from the beginning, it wouldn't have
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If she would have said, look, I mean, my parents told me that I had this heritage.
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I mean, my grandma always said that I was, we have a Swedish background and also Italian
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It's possible they were just lying to me for some reason.
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And so, you know, why she shouldn't just said at the beginning, look, we had elements
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But I mean, if it's not true, I'm not trying to get an unfair advantage.
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It's just, you know, hey, if it's not true, it's not true.
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I still respect the heritage and we grew up enjoying it.
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I don't know why people can't just handle things like that.