The Glenn Beck Program - 3⧸16⧸17 - Full Show

00:00:00.740 This is the Blaze Radio On Demand.

00:00:04.900 Hello America, welcome to the program.

00:00:07.560 We've got a great show for you at the list of federal agencies that will be eliminated under the Trump budget.

00:00:13.720 Also, Trump draws comparisons to himself during a visit to Andrew Jackson's grave.

00:00:20.920 He keeps using that name, I don't think it means what he thinks it means.

00:00:24.920 Also, he says some very interesting items in the wiretapping claims coming.

00:00:31.200 Oprah now leads Trump in a mythical race, 47 to 40.

00:00:37.800 And which one was it where the humpback whales were telling the Star Trek crew that there was trouble coming?

00:00:45.580 Does anybody remember?

00:00:46.540 Yeah, it was Star Trek 4.

00:00:48.000 Thank you, thank you.

00:00:49.220 I think it was Star Trek 8.

00:00:50.600 But the humpback whales have started to gather in what's called supergroups.

00:01:00.020 And scientists don't know why, but of course they're suspecting trouble.

00:01:05.080 I believe the whales are plotting against us.

00:01:07.240 We get into that and so much more beginning right now.

00:01:10.280 I will make a stand, I will raise my voice, I will hold your hand, cause we are one.

00:01:20.040 I will beat my drum, I have made my choice, we will overcome, cause we are one.

00:01:28.980 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:01:32.740 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:36.320 Welcome to the program.

00:01:38.880 Joining us today is John Ziegler.

00:01:41.380 He's in studio with us.

00:01:42.880 He is a fantastic talk show host that kind of lost his talk show gig because of why we have him on today.

00:01:52.800 Something that has made him known in some circles as a conspiracy theorist.

00:01:58.200 I'm not sure what this, I'm not sure how this story plays out, but he has a fascinating theory on a very big news item that was ground shaking when it happened in, what was it, 2010?

00:02:16.420 2011.

00:02:17.180 2011.

00:02:18.420 And it's back in the news this week in a big way.

00:02:20.300 Yeah, back in the news again this week.

00:02:22.040 We wanted to have him here because I think, I'm fascinated by his theory and it may or may not be right, I don't know, but in the age of fake news, this is, what we need to do is start to have a serious conversation about whatever it, the Russians.

00:02:42.880 Let's have a serious conversation without any politics in it.

00:02:47.280 So we're going to, he's going to, he's joining us now and we're going to get into this here in just a second.

00:02:52.580 A list of some of the federal agencies that are going to be eliminated under Trump.

00:02:58.400 I can't imagine this happening, but here are the agencies.

00:03:03.820 And this is his proposed budget.

00:03:05.520 This is not, this has gone down any, you know, Congress hasn't even looked at this yet.

00:03:09.220 And the African Development Foundation.

00:03:13.360 Why are we developing Africa? 0.96

00:03:15.020 We should be developing a lot of the foreign aid stuff is in here.

00:03:18.400 The Appalachian Regional Commission.

00:03:21.440 What does this commission do in Appalachia?

00:03:26.120 The Chemical Safety Board.

00:03:28.340 That's the only one with the name that I thought, maybe we should look at that one.

00:03:33.820 The Corporation for National and Community Service.

00:03:38.160 Bye-bye.

00:03:39.500 The Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

00:03:44.200 Bye-bye.

00:03:45.020 A. There should be no doubt.

00:03:49.040 Sesame Street makes more money than anybody, than any other show.

00:03:54.040 Big Bird is big business and he always has been.

00:03:56.000 Always has been.

00:03:57.340 Every kid has Sesame Street toys.

00:03:59.500 There's no reason why we're paying for that.

00:04:01.420 That can self-fund.

00:04:02.140 And now in the world where NPR is the number one podcast,

00:04:07.440 they're number one in many, many cities on radio.

00:04:12.180 They're certainly top five.

00:04:13.080 Their television shows are now being sold all around the world.

00:04:18.860 Amazon, Hulu, Netflix, carrying all of these shows.

00:04:24.800 And they're partnering with the BBC and everything else.

00:04:28.040 There is no reason.

00:04:29.000 They make enough money.

00:04:30.580 There is no reason why we are funding them still.

00:04:34.380 None whatsoever.

00:04:35.620 The Denali Commission, which I'm sure people in Alaska are happy about.

00:04:41.360 The Delta Regional Authority.

00:04:43.720 The Institute of Museum and Library Services.

00:04:46.800 Again, the library thing, we probably might want to.

00:04:51.320 I mean, there's not a lot of money in the library thing.

00:04:53.500 And I'd hate to see libraries go, but I don't know what they do.

00:04:56.600 The Inter-American Foundation.

00:04:58.360 We actually have this thing called the Internet now, which is pretty amazing.

00:05:02.320 You can actually see all this material on these little boxes.

00:05:05.400 I'd like to see what the Library Foundation does.

00:05:09.860 Like, for instance, I'm totally cool with the Library of Congress.

00:05:14.380 Yes.

00:05:15.240 Totally cool with that.

00:05:16.420 That's true.

00:05:16.900 The U.S. Trade and Development Agency.

00:05:19.620 The Legal Services Corporation.

00:05:21.880 The National Endowment for the Arts.

00:05:25.020 Oh, yes.

00:05:25.680 That needs to go.

00:05:26.620 That would be.

00:05:27.640 What about people who paint?

00:05:29.500 That's not.

00:05:30.460 I paint.

00:05:31.700 Nobody's giving me a dime.

00:05:33.660 I paint.

00:05:34.240 Yeah, but think of how beautiful your paintings could be if you received half a million dollars.

00:05:40.160 They're about to be as good as they could be.

00:05:41.480 Wouldn't you be better?

00:05:42.640 Wouldn't you be better?

00:05:43.160 You'd be a better painter.

00:05:44.240 Seriously, you would.

00:05:44.740 That's for sure.

00:05:45.280 I would be.

00:05:45.800 Maybe I should apply.

00:05:47.640 The National Endowment for the Arts.

00:05:49.140 The National Endowment for the Humanities.

00:05:52.000 The Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation.

00:05:55.240 The Northern Border Regional Commission.

00:05:58.220 The Overseas Private Investment Corporation.

00:06:01.220 That has private and overseas in the name.

00:06:05.180 What the hell is this?

00:06:07.140 The United States Institute of Peace.

00:06:10.460 Oh.

00:06:11.500 The United States Interagency Council on Homelessness.

00:06:16.780 And my favorite.

00:06:18.420 The Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.

00:06:21.640 Bye-bye.

00:06:22.640 Bye-bye.

00:06:22.880 Bye-bye.

00:06:25.480 Bye-bye.

00:06:27.560 Turn on John's mic.

00:06:30.120 Clearly, that was an outreach to you, Glenn.

00:06:32.400 It was.

00:06:32.780 I think.

00:06:33.620 That was the olive branch.

00:06:36.040 And I'll take that olive branch.

00:06:37.660 I am so pro-Trump right now.

00:06:40.520 No, you're not.

00:06:41.420 I can take that back quickly because yesterday he made a point of going to the gravesite and the childhood home of Andrew Jackson.

00:06:57.340 Oh, no.

00:06:57.660 Now you've lost, Glenn.

00:06:59.220 After all that outreach with the Woodrow Wilson.

00:07:01.720 Seriously.

00:07:02.520 Seriously.

00:07:03.120 Name two presidents that were worse than Andrew Jackson and Woodrow Wilson.

00:07:07.800 We have gone from a new Woodrow Wilson, Obama, to a new Andrew Jackson.

00:07:14.520 See, but I think this was one of the more interesting things to understand where Trump is coming from.

00:07:21.240 He sees himself as the new Andrew Jackson.

00:07:23.500 Yes.

00:07:23.940 And I think that is the greatest window into his real philosophy.

00:07:27.160 I agree.

00:07:27.900 But I don't think it's him.

00:07:29.700 I think it's Bannon.

00:07:30.820 It's Bannon.

00:07:31.160 I don't think.

00:07:31.960 I think the conversation, and I don't mean this as a slam.

00:07:35.000 Most people are like this.

00:07:36.280 You're going to be the next Andrew Jackson.

00:07:39.200 Who?

00:07:40.080 Right.

00:07:40.400 The guy on the $20 bill.

00:07:42.180 Oh.

00:07:42.940 Yeah.

00:07:43.600 Oh, he must be.

00:07:44.560 What did he do?

00:07:45.680 I'll bet you that.

00:07:46.760 I think this is all Bannon.

00:07:48.480 Well, I agree with that.

00:07:49.300 No one.

00:07:49.840 Yeah.

00:07:50.380 But one of the things I thought about was, can you imagine if Trump actually lived in the era of Andrew Jackson,

00:07:56.560 and instead of Twitter feuds, we had pistol duels?

00:07:59.820 Trump wouldn't even be around anymore.

00:08:01.380 I mean, Andrew Jackson was in 100 pistol duels in his life.

00:08:05.520 That's crazy.

00:08:06.000 And survived, including one while he was president of the United States.

00:08:10.760 Now, so if we didn't have, if instead of Twitter, there was pistol duels.

00:08:14.520 Oh, jeez.

00:08:15.260 Can you imagine if you had to, if somebody's, if you insulted somebody's honor in today's world,

00:08:21.940 if they could grab a pistol and say, grab a pistol, buddy.

00:08:25.480 Instead of Twitter.

00:08:26.300 We do a lot of criticism.

00:08:27.000 Instead of Twitter.

00:08:27.220 Can you imagine that?

00:08:28.060 We do a decent amount of criticism of social media.

00:08:29.960 This is a good change.

00:08:31.020 I'm going to say this one is a good change.

00:08:33.480 Yeah, no, no.

00:08:34.360 I mean, I would have been dead by the hands of probably Dan Rather when he was young.

00:08:40.220 So he gave this, this nice speech about Andrew Jackson.

00:08:46.000 America, you'll have to excuse me.

00:08:48.880 But if you remember in 2007, I said, if you want to understand the left, you have to understand Woodrow Wilson and Woodrow Wilson.

00:09:02.120 And I remember all the calls.

00:09:03.500 Would you stop about Woodrow Wilson?

00:09:05.640 Talk about what's happening in today's world.

00:09:08.580 Right, right.

00:09:09.700 I am.

00:09:10.460 Just listen to Woodrow Wilson and you will see the parallels.

00:09:14.740 I'm sorry, but I'm going to do it again.

00:09:18.300 To understand the right, you're going to have to understand Andrew Jackson.

00:09:23.200 Andrew Jackson, it is my theory.

00:09:25.120 I've never seen this written about anywhere else, but it is my theory that the republic, as our founders knew it, ended with Andrew Jackson.

00:09:34.960 We went from divine providence to manifest destiny.

00:09:41.160 We went from being friends with the Indians to making the Indians arch enemies and violating every treaty, violating our word. 0.57

00:09:52.600 We went from an office of honor with the president to an office where he was gobbling up the land, telling his friends,

00:10:02.160 hey, I'm going to gobble up this land, you might want to go out there, see how much you think it's worth so you can buy it.

00:10:07.840 He came in destitute and left a modern-day billionaire.

00:10:13.460 He was the first one to do it.

00:10:16.320 And a bad guy.

00:10:17.860 And Ben pretty recently said, one of the things I think they like about Jackson is he essentially created a different way.

00:10:23.940 Like, it was like a new direction, you know.

00:10:26.140 He created that populist direction with something.

00:10:28.800 But, I mean, it was also politically something new.

00:10:31.140 And it was not, like, for example, in today's world, it's not conservatism, it's national populism, right?

00:10:37.060 Like, they're not even...

00:10:38.680 Jackson was a populist.

00:10:40.520 He was our first populist.

00:10:41.780 That's what they're saying.

00:10:42.860 I mean, Bannon has outwardly said that.

00:10:44.540 Plus, Jackson was one of the first to say that the system was rigged against him.

00:10:49.840 In his case, it was.

00:10:51.880 But I think Trump really relates to that because he felt like this was rigged against anyone anyway.

00:10:56.960 And there's also something about the way he deals with the public.

00:11:05.940 Jackson went in and went into the White House and just opened the doors.

00:11:09.720 Now, up until, really, Lincoln, you could make an appointment.

00:11:14.800 You just go, I think it was like Tuesdays or Wednesdays, and you just waited on line and you'd have five minutes with the president.

00:11:19.840 You know, that stopped after we started shooting them.

00:11:24.140 But, you know, you could just go and make an appointment.

00:11:26.980 Anyone could get an appointment with the president.

00:11:29.560 Andrew Jackson said, I'm going to open up the White House to everybody.

00:11:34.280 And on his inauguration, he opened up the White House and it became so bad they were breaking chairs.

00:11:39.820 I mean, it was a ruckus party.

00:11:41.820 Everyone was hammered, right?

00:11:42.580 Right.

00:11:42.820 And do you know how he got everybody out of the White House?

00:11:45.840 He got everybody out of, well, he didn't.

00:11:47.940 The White House staff, like at 4 o'clock in the morning, said, we've got to get these people out of here.

00:11:53.860 Free drinks for everybody outside.

00:11:55.300 Out of the lawn, there's free drinks.

00:11:57.580 Everybody left.

00:11:58.700 There were no free drinks.

00:11:59.700 They locked the doors to the White House.

00:12:01.580 And he escaped through, like, the back window in that scenario.

00:12:04.880 Didn't he, like, didn't he leave the White House?

00:12:06.640 There, like, no window.

00:12:07.840 There actually was no booze in the front yard.

00:12:09.660 There was no booze in the front yard.

00:12:10.880 See, that makes me upset.

00:12:11.460 Yeah, it was a lie.

00:12:12.700 It lied?

00:12:13.520 It was a lie.

00:12:14.600 Trump also yesterday said there's some very interesting items related to wiretapping that are going to come out in the next couple of weeks.

00:12:21.420 Oh, good.

00:12:22.500 Now, he has said that, well, he didn't mean wiretapping, wiretapping.

00:12:28.800 And I kind of believe that.

00:12:32.180 I do, too.

00:12:33.060 I mean, he obviously does not have evidence of this, right?

00:12:36.780 But what he does, the idea that they're holding him to a standard, like, 1940s wiretap, like, what they meant is a wiretap of this specific, like, if it's surveillance of his computers, I mean, he would still have a case.

00:12:49.620 He doesn't seem to have any evidence to support that case.

00:12:52.360 Quite the opposite.

00:12:53.460 Yeah, I mean, he has the case.

00:12:55.540 The GOP yesterday came out and was like, there's nothing here.

00:12:58.620 Yeah, so far they can't.

00:12:59.580 I mean, in his defense, he put wiretapping in quotes.

00:13:02.440 Yes, he did.

00:13:02.880 And it's Twitter.

00:13:03.700 You get 140 characters.

00:13:05.160 Right.

00:13:05.300 No, I mean, I agree that he didn't mean wiretapping.

00:13:10.560 I don't think this is, he backpedals on a lot.

00:13:13.000 He's not backpedaling on this.

00:13:14.840 I agree.

00:13:16.300 But I don't think, I mean, this is leading to a very dangerous place.

00:13:20.360 This deep state stuff, we have to get into.

00:13:24.520 And we have to look at it and seriously look at it.

00:13:28.100 See if there's any truth to it or not.

00:13:30.820 Debunk it if it is fake.

00:13:33.460 Expose it if it is real.

00:13:35.300 I don't happen to believe it, but we have to take it seriously because this is going

00:13:40.220 to divide us.

00:13:40.900 I'm telling you in two years, it will either, people will either believe the government is

00:13:45.980 nothing but a shadow organization and there's no reason for anything.

00:13:50.840 The whole thing has to be burned down because of a shadow organization or they're going to

00:13:55.900 believe those people are absolutely insane and they need to be silenced and stopped.

00:14:00.680 I mean, we're headed for trouble on this.

00:14:03.100 On the other side of his tweet, though, he did refer to Obama as sick.

00:14:08.320 So he can't really backtrack on that.

00:14:10.300 I have no problem with the backtracking on wiretapping, but he clearly did accuse Obama.

00:14:16.580 And there's no evidence of that at all.

00:14:18.660 Yes.

00:14:18.960 And that's important to point out.

00:14:20.320 Yes.

00:14:20.580 What do you think, John, about the about deep state?

00:14:24.660 Have you looked into it at all?

00:14:26.120 Well, I'm not an expert on it, but the people who are making the claim, I don't find very

00:14:29.520 credible.

00:14:30.240 I think we know some of the names we've talked about previously that are, you know, former

00:14:35.240 conservative stalwarts.

00:14:36.480 My view on this is they need a boogeyman.

00:14:40.560 Donald Trump needs a viable boogeyman other than the media.

00:14:44.960 And Obama makes a perfect boogeyman for the conservative right.

00:14:48.800 And especially in the conservative media industrial complex.

00:14:51.760 We all know, having been in the business, we're not that good at defense.

00:14:55.440 We're good at offense.

00:14:56.880 We're best.

00:14:57.760 And it's very difficult for us when we're all in power.

00:15:00.100 We got our alleged Republican president, Republican House, Republican Senate.

00:15:03.400 Who do we attack?

00:15:05.880 Obama is the ready-made boogeyman.

00:15:08.440 And if we can portray, not we, but I'm talking in general, the conservative media industrial

00:15:12.600 complex, if we can portray Obama as still being in power in some strange way, that's

00:15:18.700 a great boogeyman because it's ready-made and the base already hates him.

00:15:22.920 And, you know, it's basically mix and stir.

00:15:26.000 But you're creating you're creating a situation where there is no exit from it.

00:15:31.580 If you can't, if you don't prove it and you don't, for instance, you know, you can't

00:15:36.380 believe the CBO.

00:15:38.240 Okay, well, are you going to change the CBO?

00:15:42.480 Most likely, no.

00:15:44.420 You know, I can't believe the job numbers.

00:15:46.560 Well, now you believe the job numbers.

00:15:48.600 He didn't change anything.

00:15:50.360 Right.

00:15:50.460 So if you actually believe in deep state, then you need to present the evidence and you need

00:15:57.520 to investigate and uncover.

00:16:00.140 Otherwise, it is truly just a conspiracy theory for power.

00:16:04.060 But Glenn, this isn't about facts and logic.

00:16:05.860 This has always been about emotion and politics.

00:16:08.860 I mean, facts and logic, they have no place in this.

00:16:11.680 I know.

00:16:12.080 Facts and logic.

00:16:12.900 But they need to play a role.

00:16:14.320 They need to play a role in our everyday life.

00:16:17.240 And that's one reason why we wanted you on today.

00:16:19.140 I agree, totally.

00:16:20.440 But I don't think that's the world we live in, especially not with Trump.

00:16:23.260 Okay, so let's go into, we're going to take a quick break.

00:16:26.560 And then I'm going to tell you why John is here.

00:16:28.560 He's going to make a really compelling case.

00:16:30.560 Whether it's true or not, I don't know.

00:16:32.220 He says he can back everything up.

00:16:36.140 And he's lost his job because he's taking a stand because he says it's a moral stand.

00:16:43.600 I'm willing to lose everything on this.

00:16:46.260 That's quite a statement.

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00:17:51.800 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:17:56.040 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:17:59.180 Because we are one.

00:18:01.740 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:18:05.360 Mercury.

00:18:09.140 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:18:11.600 On SoundCloud.com, there's a podcast, The World According to Zig.

00:18:16.480 We have John Ziegler in studio today.

00:18:19.520 There's been a couple of developments in the recent weeks regarding Jerry Sandusky, the Penn State University coach.

00:18:26.660 He was transferred from a maximum to a medium security prison.

00:18:31.100 And his son, Jeffrey, has just been charged with child sex abuse.

00:18:36.460 This is really controversial.

00:18:40.000 John Ziegler lost his radio gig because he would not let go of this because he says it's a moral issue.

00:18:52.000 He says 100% Jerry Sandusky is innocent.

00:18:57.700 The accusers are not truthful in their testimony beyond a little controversial.

00:19:05.840 Well, you know, I don't know if you remember this, Glenn, but eight years ago we met for the first time and I was defending Sarah Palin.

00:19:12.720 Yes.

00:19:13.380 Not much has changed in the world since then, by the way.

00:19:15.560 No, nothing, yeah.

00:19:16.600 And so now I figured, you know, once you've defended Sarah Palin, it's pretty easy to move on to Jerry Sandusky.

00:19:24.100 Look, I fully realize that the vast majority of people who have only followed this story over the last five and a half years via headlines, this sounds crazy, but it's not.

00:19:33.540 Okay, we're going to get into this case.

00:19:35.720 I want you to listen carefully to this.

00:19:38.100 I'm not making a judgment.

00:19:39.260 I don't know.

00:19:39.940 I have not heard the case.

00:19:42.520 Patents do have and say it's fascinating.

00:19:46.440 This could turn your whole world upside down.

00:19:50.040 Let's listen to it and see if we can poke holes in it.

00:19:54.620 Next.

00:20:03.860 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:20:08.420 Mercury.

00:20:09.940 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:20:15.440 Author, writer for Mediite and host of the podcast World According to Zig on SoundCloud.com.

00:20:22.580 John Ziegler is in studio with us.

00:20:25.980 Jerry Sandusky is back in the news right now.

00:20:29.720 If you don't remember the name, give me the less than a minute recap on Penn State.

00:20:35.720 In November 2011, Jerry Sandusky, former defensive coordinator for Penn State, a very famous coach, but had been retired for many years, was arrested on child molestation charges.

00:20:47.160 Joe Paterno was fired.

00:20:48.280 The legendary football coach at Penn State, three days, three or four days later, along with the president of Penn State, Graham Spaniard.

00:20:55.200 Sandusky was convicted.

00:20:57.700 Penn State paid out almost $100 million in settlements.

00:21:01.240 This week, two Penn State administrators pled guilty to a misdemeanor after the conspiracy charges after five and a half years were dropped.

00:21:09.220 Next week, Graham Spaniard, the former president of Penn State, will stand trial on these very sane charges.

00:21:15.480 He is innocent.

00:21:16.720 He will not plead guilty unless something really bizarre happens and an innocent man's life is on the line.

00:21:23.160 But to me, Glenn, this story is much bigger than Penn State, much bigger than even Graham Spaniard's freedom or Joe Paterno's legacy.

00:21:31.800 I have no connection to Penn State at all.

00:21:33.960 I stupidly got involved in this five and a half years ago because the story, to use a phrase we now are all very familiar with, sounded immediately to me like fake news.

00:21:44.200 And as you guys know, we've done some stories together before.

00:21:47.080 I have a pretty good nose for this kind of thing.

00:21:49.200 And I have coached high school football in several different states.

00:21:53.000 I've covered college football, pro football.

00:21:55.320 I understand the culture.

00:21:56.740 I have no connection to Penn State.

00:21:58.540 In fact, I actually have disdain for Penn State now after five and a half years of this.

00:22:04.400 But I also understand the way the news media works.

00:22:07.680 And I got involved in this just trying to find out what the heck the truth was, presuming that Jerry Sandusky was guilty as hell.

00:22:14.540 That was my presumption at the beginning of this.

00:22:16.360 But that the Joe Paterno angle just never made any sense because there was this idea that there was a cover up that he had been told that by an assistant coach, Mike McQuarrie, that Jerry had had abused the boy sexually and Paterno did nothing.

00:22:29.440 And Penn State just decided to pretend it never happened.

00:22:32.480 It made no sense for 100 million reasons.

00:22:34.940 But one of which was Sandusky was retired.

00:22:37.780 He was he wasn't even part of the program at that point.

00:22:40.360 And not to mention, it didn't fit with the culture of Penn State nor college football as I know it.

00:22:46.560 Well, as I got deeper and deeper into it and I interviewed Sandusky and it certainly didn't fit with the character of Joe Paterno.

00:22:53.040 Exactly.

00:22:53.540 I mean, Joe Paterno was a stellar coach on and off the field.

00:22:58.780 He was the most winning coach in the history of college football, but also ran a stellar program.

00:23:04.360 No hint of scandal and a guy who was a squeaky clean, you know, 1950s kind of conservative Republican, by the way, friends of the Bush family.

00:23:15.140 But we what we oftentimes see people that are right, that are living a double life.

00:23:21.200 And you're like, oh, well, they can't be.

00:23:23.660 It was always the quiet one on the street that ended up having the heads in the refrigerator.

00:23:27.360 Well, I understand. And that's part. There's so many elements of the perfect storm here, one of which is that this story breaks in Pennsylvania, not long after the whole Catholic church scandal.

00:23:39.540 Right. And because of that, it sets a prism through which everybody, especially in the news media, they see this.

00:23:45.900 They see Paterno as the pope. They see the administrators as the cardinals.

00:23:49.940 They see Sandusky. Oh, he's the pedophile priest. And they see the Penn State football fans as, oh, these are the Catholic parishioners who love their football so much,

00:23:58.820 their religion of football, that they're willing to look the other way and pretend that a pedophile didn't really exist.

00:24:04.540 That was a narrative that fit.

00:24:07.020 That narrative is is real in many cases. People don't want to look at this stuff.

00:24:13.540 I understand that. But but that's what set this case up for a massive injustice.

00:24:18.380 So as I got involved more and more and I was just looking for the truth, I interviewed Sandusky not once but twice in prison for six hours.

00:24:25.960 Plus, went on the Today Show not once but twice. The second time, Matt Lauer very nicely declared my career to be dead three years ago this week.

00:24:34.780 But I figured, OK, you know, if you're going to die on a hill, this is a pretty good hill to die on.

00:24:38.880 And trust me, I've taken enough bullets to understand the reality of that.

00:24:42.420 What I realized was that the only way to make this case make any sense at all is it, shockingly, the part of the case that no one took a look at,

00:24:52.760 no one bothered to do the math on the Jerry Sandusky element is a myth that Jerry Sandusky is, in fact, innocent.

00:25:00.880 And it's not even close. That's what's so amazing about this.

00:25:05.260 But we start a domino effect that the Joe Paterno firing and people who are not from Pennsylvania can't fully understand the psychological impact of the firing of Joe Paterno.

00:25:16.680 This was this was a nuclear explosion over this entire case.

00:25:21.260 It was like people's entire lives had been turned upside down.

00:25:24.780 Everything they thought they knew. I mean, this was worse than the Trump election for liberals.

00:25:29.100 I mean, everything is upside down. And in reality, to understand this case fully, you have to understand that the moment of Paterno's firing,

00:25:39.180 all the incentives in this case get flipped upside down. Everybody's incentives are now perverse.

00:25:46.220 All the white hats turn into black hats and the black hats turn into white hats.

00:25:50.760 And and from that moment on, we have a domino effect of injustice.

00:25:56.320 I like to use the metaphor that this whole case is a painting that everyone looks at and goes, this makes no damn sense.

00:26:03.560 And I came along and said, here's why I flipped it upside down.

00:26:08.820 And people go, oh, my gosh. OK, so flip it upside down.

00:26:12.220 Here's what happens. The real story of this is a classic case of when people think,

00:26:19.260 think that they are doing the right moral thing, stopping pedophilia or just against injustice against children.

00:26:26.580 And they become invested in a month in a myth.

00:26:30.820 I'll use this audience will fully understand the parallel to global warming.

00:26:35.620 OK, this is manmade global warming because we have a consensus of science, allegedly.

00:26:43.000 And because we are doing the right thing for humanity, you are a bad person.

00:26:49.520 If you disagree, if you even question it, you are a bad person.

00:26:55.320 Well, that's what happened in this case. I'm the bad person.

00:26:58.880 I'm the bad person who actually said you're you're viewed not as saying, wait a minute, let's look for the truth.

00:27:04.820 You're looking you're looked upon as a guy who wants to let a pedophile get away.

00:27:10.440 Exactly. Which is the plan, which is what. And so why is it that I'm the guy?

00:27:14.220 All right. So because I'm sure that's a lot of the first thing I did when I saw you tweeting about this,

00:27:18.040 which was check to see if you graduated from Penn State.

00:27:20.200 Right. I went to Georgetown University. OK, that's number one.

00:27:23.460 Number two, I have zero financial motive at all.

00:27:27.140 My website, framing paterno dot com takes no ads.

00:27:30.520 I've got hundreds of videos on YouTube, no ads.

00:27:33.160 I have purposely lost money on this case.

00:27:35.940 My career, as Lauer predicted, has been crap because of this.

00:27:39.540 And my you know, my wife is is I don't know why she stuck with me through it all. 0.63

00:27:44.540 But I know I'm right. And it's not close.

00:27:47.820 I can go through detail by detail as to why this happened the way that it did.

00:27:52.500 But mostly it happened because the focus shifted at the beginning of the case away.

00:27:58.000 Think about this case as a mathematical equation, a complex mathematical equation.

00:28:02.200 You know, one number times another number times another number.

00:28:05.800 Everyone thought the first number was something other than zero.

00:28:09.200 Well, I did the math and I said, wait a minute.

00:28:10.900 The first number is zero, which means the whole equation and zero times anything is still going to be zero.

00:28:17.980 And the thing about this, Glenn, which is really incredibly frustrating for me, I'm not the only guy that knows this.

00:28:23.920 Almost everybody on the inside of this story knows it, including the three administrators who were facing trial, two of whom pled guilty to a misdemeanor this week.

00:28:33.480 The other Graham Spanier who faces trial next week and people in the Penn State Board of Trustees know this.

00:28:39.820 But everyone is afraid to talk about it.

00:28:43.040 There's never been a case where fear, cowardice and stupidity reigned more supreme than this one because everyone's afraid of the news media.

00:28:51.620 And they they are now like trying to tell the news media the truth about this case is like trying to convince a five year old that Santa Claus doesn't exist.

00:28:59.360 They are completely and totally invested.

00:29:02.400 So you're saying that the number with the reason why that number is zero is because the victim victim number one.

00:29:10.480 Yes.

00:29:10.940 Is lying.

00:29:11.800 And that's he and it's important to point out that's a great way to phrase it.

00:29:15.740 Victim number one is a guy by the name of Aaron Fisher.

00:29:18.140 He wrote a book.

00:29:19.380 I presume for my first two years of this investigation, he must be telling the truth because I was told child abuse victims never lie.

00:29:26.700 And, you know, he he made himself known publicly.

00:29:30.000 The only trial accuser that did so he did an interview with Chris Cuomo in 2020, which if you look at now on YouTube, you can tell he's not telling the truth because he doesn't act like a sex abuse victim at all and says some very suspicious things.

00:29:41.680 But I spent two years not even worrying about him.

00:29:45.480 I now have 12 people on the record on audio.

00:29:51.140 I haven't released all of them at framing paternal dot com, but most of them, 12 people, incredibly close to him.

00:29:56.580 I'm talking aunts, very close buddies from the time period of the allegation, parents of the buddies of the time period of the allegation, girlfriends, people who sponsored a rally on his behalf.

00:30:07.080 When his book came out, 12 people against their own self-interest to have all said they're positive.

00:30:13.060 He's lying positive.

00:30:15.380 I've been his mom, his mom, who if you believe his story, his story is preposterous.

00:30:21.480 And it's important to point out he's the only accuser in this case for two and a half years.

00:30:26.080 He's the only one.

00:30:27.340 And during a grand jury investigation, his mom, the story goes, this is under her watch.

00:30:33.660 He goes to Jerry Sandusky as a 12 to 14 year old.

00:30:37.380 One of the things misperceptions about this case is somehow these were six, seven, eight year old boys.

00:30:41.880 No, these were all 12, 13, 14 year old boys, which Jerry is a coach.

00:30:47.260 This is when kids become athletes.

00:30:49.240 This is why he took an interest in that age kid.

00:30:52.380 He's a very naive, I think stupid in a lot of ways, guy who's very religious and who never dreamed that anybody was going to think that this was somehow nefarious.

00:31:02.840 He devoted his life to kids.

00:31:05.200 The mom who under his her watch, she gets abused by his trial testimony a hundred times, a hundred times as a 13, 14 year old.

00:31:14.580 By the way, while he's dating girls and having sex with them, according to his buddies, she is now driving a Mercedes, a Jaguar, a Cadillac Escalade and living in a giant house.

00:31:29.200 Now, how in the world any mother could possibly have the lack of guilt to drive those cars when it's money that was gotten because you were such a bad mom? 1.00

00:31:40.180 You kept feeding your son to a horrendous pedophile is beyond me.

00:31:44.380 But that's one very tiny tip of this entire humongous iceberg.

00:31:49.480 The reason that this is so important is if he's lying and I know that he is, he's what they use to build the rest of the case.

00:31:58.120 This became whisper down the lane.

00:32:00.500 This becomes the Loch Ness Monster.

00:32:02.580 Nobody thought there was a Loch Ness Monster until people started saying there was a Loch Ness Monster.

00:32:06.780 Now, all of a sudden, everyone's trying to get the damn Loch Ness Monster.

00:32:10.660 Well, there is no Loch Ness Monster in real life, and there's no Loch Ness Monster in this story.

00:32:15.540 And there's no evidence where there should be O.J. Simpson-like evidence, Glenn.

00:32:19.560 We're five and a half years into this thing.

00:32:21.960 Multiple investigations, an alleged cover-up that disintegrates.

00:32:25.780 And yet there's nothing, nothing other than testimony of people who were paid millions of dollars.

00:32:32.180 The settlement process was a sham.

00:32:34.000 I have a fake accuser who went to the number one lawyer in this case in a sting operation.

00:32:39.460 We have incredibly damning audio.

00:32:41.300 I want to go there.

00:32:42.940 At the top of the hour, I want to take you to the sting operation because you've heard the audio tapes of the sting operation.

00:32:51.140 And we can't play them yet because of, I guess, legal maneuvering.

00:32:56.420 Well, you don't want to go to jail for me, do you, Glenn?

00:32:58.320 And so, but Stu has heard the audio tape, and if it is as described, I have not heard it, it's pretty remarkable.

00:33:09.620 I think it's important, too, because you mentioned accuser one, technically.

00:33:13.540 But I think people think in their head accuser one is the kid in the shower that Mike McQuarrie saw.

00:33:18.680 He says he saw this happen, and he testified to actually visually seeing the assault go on.

00:33:26.480 And that's the one I think sticks in, because there's, what, 10 total?

00:33:29.440 Let's talk about that.

00:33:30.180 Let's talk about that.

00:33:30.640 Because that's the big one, though.

00:33:31.580 Let's talk about that.

00:33:32.720 Absolutely.

00:33:33.300 Okay, we'll do that coming up next.

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00:34:48.780 With John Ziegler, who says Sandusky and this whole thing is a lie, we have McQuarrie, a trusted guy, says, testified,

00:34:58.420 I saw him in the shower with a young man.

00:35:01.600 He did it at the time, too.

00:35:04.000 He reported something at the time.

00:35:06.300 Yes.

00:35:06.620 Right.

00:35:06.820 Except that when this becomes an issue 10 years later, legally, McQuarrie gets the date wrong.

00:35:13.340 He gets the month wrong.

00:35:15.020 He gets the year wrong of this horrific, not forgettable event, which is immediately suspicious.

00:35:22.160 But more importantly than that, we know who the boy in the shower that he allegedly saw was.

00:35:27.220 We didn't know that.

00:35:28.280 We didn't know that at the time, which is incredibly important.

00:35:31.540 Had we known then what we know now, I think this whole story changes because the boy who's publicly known in public records is Alan Myers, the guy who Penn State paid three million dollars for being that boy, never testifies the trial.

00:35:45.480 Now, the media is shockingly uninterested in the fact that the victim of the most famous case of John Wall Station in the history of this country never testified.

00:35:54.280 Why didn't he testify?

00:35:55.520 Because he had made multiple statements, including in letters to the editor in local newspapers, defending Jerry Sandusky after the original story of this broke in the local newspaper.

00:36:05.660 And he has an incredibly long history after this event with Jerry Sandusky, which is impossible for someone who had been abused in the shower and has made numerous statements saying, Jerry Sandusky never abused me.

00:36:19.860 Mike McQuarrie is not telling the truth.

00:36:21.720 Jerry is the greatest thing that ever happened to me.

00:36:23.400 But then after the crap hits the fan and the world changes and Joe Paterno is fired and the polls switch, he gets paid three million dollars by Penn State.

00:36:32.340 And that portion of the case is closed off, except for people like me, stupid enough to look into it.

00:36:40.160 Wow.

00:36:41.100 All right.

00:36:41.580 I want to hear about the sting for the lawyer.

00:36:48.060 You've done it.

00:36:48.640 You're still in the midst of a sting operation.

00:36:53.480 And America, you need to hear this.

00:36:57.300 I'm not sure how I feel about this.

00:36:59.660 Lots of questions.

00:37:00.460 I'm sure you have them, too.

00:37:01.640 John Ziegler joins us again next.

00:37:04.820 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:37:08.660 Mercury.

00:37:24.340 This is the Blaze Radio On Demand.

00:37:27.140 The Paterno-Sandusky-Penn State scandal.

00:37:35.000 Maybe, maybe, maybe, perhaps we should take another look at this.

00:37:41.000 John Ziegler is joining us now.

00:37:43.060 He's been working on this case for about five years.

00:37:46.040 And he says, positively, absolutely, we have this case wrong.

00:37:53.700 And an injustice that he's lost his career over and struggles as a family because of.

00:38:03.980 He happily is doing it because he says, this is a true injustice that has to be set straight.

00:38:11.460 Whether or not it is, I'm not sure, but he's making a compelling case.

00:38:17.700 We go into his sting operation and some more evidence that Sandusky is innocent and this whole case is wrong right now.

00:38:30.980 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:38:52.680 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:38:57.120 I'd love to hear your opinion on this.

00:39:00.600 888-727-BECK.

00:39:02.400 Probably next hour.

00:39:04.220 Coming up at the bottom of the hour, part three of our four-part series on communism.

00:39:10.000 And John will be with us here for the next half hour.

00:39:12.760 And then we'll take your phone calls on this at the top of next hour.

00:39:16.120 And maybe John will hang around and answer some of the questions and get some of the pushback.

00:39:21.500 But let's, let's, you say that this entire case is bogus and it is, it's based on what, quite honestly, what I'm feeling.

00:39:35.660 What I'm listening to you, because child abuse is very near and dear to my heart.

00:39:43.200 Sure.

00:39:43.420 And it is one of those things that even if you don't have experiences or you're not involved in some of the things I am, that it still is near and dear to your heart.

00:39:54.040 Because nobody wants to see a child abuser go free.

00:39:57.440 Of course.

00:39:57.940 And as I'm listening to you, I'm thinking to myself, well, yeah, but that's what, you know, a child abuse victim would or could behave in this way.

00:40:09.600 But deny it, try to carry on in a different way, defend the defenseless, if you will, and then when all is said and done, break and say, okay, all right, I just have to face it and get out.

00:40:27.140 And so it feels as though it's almost wrong.

00:40:32.000 Right.

00:40:32.640 Because I want to believe, I do not want a child abuser, Luce.

00:40:38.100 Right.

00:40:38.400 And I don't want to re-victimize kids.

00:40:41.660 Right.

00:40:42.680 And Glenn, you've just put your finger, as you often do, on the root of the problem.

00:40:49.360 Right.

00:40:49.660 That was the foundation for why this injustice was allowed to happen.

00:40:53.520 Gone from, in the 60s, not believing kids, believing the adults, to now believing to a point to where there is no actual testimony.

00:41:06.160 In the original case, there were no victims that testified, including the number one victim.

00:41:14.220 Well, all there was was testimony of people who ended up making millions of dollars, but there was no evidence.

00:41:19.840 Right.

00:41:20.060 I mean, and by the way, there should be massive amounts of evidence in other cases that are similar.

00:41:25.900 There's actual evidence other than what kind of evidence.

00:41:29.480 Well, first of all, the most stunning thing is not a shred of pornography.

00:41:33.220 Please, someone out there, find me another case of a serial pedophile in this day and age, a guy who I know personally is technologically a dunce, is able to scrub every ounce of pornography off of their computers, emails.

00:41:51.180 Well, ironically, there was pornography found in this case.

00:41:54.640 It wasn't on Jerry Sandusky.

00:41:56.360 It was on the emails of the prosecutors and the investigators, which created quite a bit of controversy and a scandal in Pennsylvania.

00:42:03.360 None on Sandusky.

00:42:05.000 There's not one of these accusers who says in his first version of the story anything close to an accusation.

00:42:11.240 They all deny it.

00:42:12.440 All their actions indicate that they deny it.

00:42:15.000 None of them want to be public except victim number one.

00:42:18.140 There's no logic to this case.

00:42:20.000 There's no evidence to it.

00:42:21.340 It's all emotion, and it's all about Joe Paterno.

00:42:25.700 So the one thing that seems to have happened is that something weird occurred in the shower with Sandusky and this 14-year-old boy.

00:42:33.340 I agree with that, yes.

00:42:34.340 That they were roughhousing in the shower or towel slapping.

00:42:38.240 Right, which we all think is really weird.

00:42:40.960 Okay, and I understand that.

00:42:42.540 I get it.

00:42:43.160 I get that it's weird.

00:42:44.180 But he didn't molest him.

00:42:45.880 I'm positive of it.

00:42:46.760 All you have to do is ask the kid or look at the kid.

00:42:49.520 You can't ask him now because he got paid $3 million.

00:42:51.920 But if you look at his prior statements, including on the day Joe Paterno was fired, he made it clear.

00:42:57.120 I have photographs I've shown all you guys of Jerry Sandusky and this guy, Alan Myers, together many years later, including at Alan Myers' wedding, in his Marine uniform, taking a photograph with Jerry Sandusky.

00:43:07.880 A photo that was released as part of Jerry Sandusky's resignation letter from his charity, which, by the way, if he's a criminal mastermind, is the dumbest thing in the history of the world.

00:43:17.480 Yeah, they continued to have a relationship throughout much of his life.

00:43:20.720 Not just a relationship.

00:43:21.860 They were father-son, which is part of why people don't understand that everyone goes, well, that was really weird in the shower.

00:43:27.840 In Jerry's mind, in Jerry's mind, Alan was his son.

00:43:33.000 Jerry doesn't have any biological children.

00:43:35.400 He had five adopted children, or six adopted children, and many foster children.

00:43:40.640 And in his mind, this particular guy, Alan Myers, was a son.

00:43:44.680 However, for those of us with sons, we don't carry on in the shower with them.

00:43:48.080 Well, but hold on a second.

00:43:49.520 Hold on.

00:43:50.660 You have to remember, these acts occur before the Catholic Church scandal.

00:43:55.520 It's incredibly important.

00:43:56.920 They occur before the Catholic Church scandal, but they come out publicly after.

00:44:01.780 Snapping towels at each other.

00:44:03.520 If you're both football and everybody's showering together.

00:44:07.020 Like, I don't shower with my son.

00:44:08.400 I wouldn't shower with my son.

00:44:09.700 But in a locker room, you do shower with your son.

00:44:12.360 But this is 2001.

00:44:13.400 And if you're snapping towels at each other, that is father and son kind of behavior.

00:44:19.960 This is a different era.

00:44:21.520 2001 in State College, Pennsylvania, is a different place than 2017.

00:44:26.460 And I get why people are weirded out by it.

00:44:28.500 I'm not defending it.

00:44:29.840 I'm just telling you what happened.

00:44:31.360 Okay?

00:44:31.960 And I'm telling you that there's no evidence.

00:44:34.860 Just from Alan Myers himself, it's impossible to conclude.

00:44:38.820 So who's the guy that, all I can think of is Mike McQuarrie.

00:44:41.740 Right.

00:44:42.260 So Mike McQuarrie says, he reports this, and then when it comes out in the news that there

00:44:48.840 was something that was going on that he was raping, he writes to the prosecution and says,

00:44:54.400 Yes, you twisted my words.

00:44:55.500 None of this.

00:44:56.180 That's not what I said.

00:44:57.400 Well, he says, quote, you twisted my words.

00:45:00.260 And you would think that email came out in Mike McQuarrie's own civil trial, which occurred

00:45:05.380 a few months ago, where McQuarrie got paid several million dollars.

00:45:09.060 I think it's in the double digits, a million dollars now, which is completely absurd, because

00:45:13.860 at best, at best, if Mike McQuarrie is telling the truth now, here's what Mike McQuarrie did.

00:45:19.180 He's a coward who allowed Jerry Sadowski to abuse a young boy with doing nothing, not identifying

00:45:26.720 it, the boy not stopping the situation.

00:45:29.580 He just leaves in a panic and then communicates to Penn State very poorly what happens.

00:45:35.020 That's the best case scenario from McQuarrie, but you would think that that email might

00:45:40.100 get someone in the media to go, wow, that's odd.

00:45:42.460 I mean, we created a whole firestorm based upon what this grand jury presentment said in

00:45:46.480 November of 2011, and the guy whose words were at the center of it say they were twisted?

00:45:52.540 Gee, maybe we should revisit that.

00:45:54.080 But no, not the media.

00:45:55.380 Tell me about the lawyers that are involved.

00:45:58.520 You're doing a sting operation on them.

00:46:01.100 Well, yeah, the lawyers here are key.

00:46:05.780 This whole case has been the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of Pennsylvania from

00:46:10.860 the taxpayers to lawyers and local sports car dealerships, because all of the accusers have

00:46:18.000 multiple fancy sports cars, which people can decide for themselves what the meaning of that

00:46:22.580 is.

00:46:23.080 But as far as the lawyers are concerned, there was a very few number of lawyers who had

00:46:27.760 a huge number of accusers, one in particular was key to this case, and a fake, a purposely

00:46:34.260 fake accuser, a person who knew Jerry Sandusky for his whole life, attended the trial, knew

00:46:39.760 that Jerry was innocent, decided to go to this particular lawyer and see what would happen

00:46:46.220 if he told a fake story.

00:46:48.260 Wired?

00:46:49.380 He recorded it.

00:46:50.900 Are we using Donald Trump's definition of wired?

00:46:54.240 Yes.

00:46:54.340 Some way or another, it was recorded.

00:46:56.540 They were recorded, and Stu has heard some of the recordings, and they are fascinating.

00:47:03.100 And so this guy came and gave a story.

00:47:07.280 He changed the story several times?

00:47:09.380 The lawyer changed it for him, much to the shock of the accuser.

00:47:13.740 He was told what his story was, and it was not a story.

00:47:19.540 And the reason why it was changed was because the original story, which I had nothing to

00:47:24.060 do with, because I purposely wanted this to be organic, and I didn't want to go to jail

00:47:28.140 in case something weird happened.

00:47:31.680 You know, I was just someone who was a bystander in this, and was given the tapes after it happened.

00:47:38.760 But the original story was not conducive to Penn State paying a settlement.

00:47:44.560 And interestingly enough, interestingly enough, the story is...

00:47:47.340 Now the story is conducive to that, no doubt.

00:47:49.560 Yes, it is.

00:47:50.160 It's suddenly very conducive to that.

00:47:52.520 And this is $100 million we're talking about that Penn State gave away.

00:47:56.840 And this is...

00:47:58.040 There are numerous stories within the settlements that are clearly and totally bogus.

00:48:03.880 And members of the current Penn State Board of Trustees know this.

00:48:08.960 They know this as firmly as I know the whole case is bogus.

00:48:12.340 A hundred million dollars?

00:48:14.000 You put a hundred million dollars in front of poor people in central Pennsylvania and look out.

00:48:21.700 I'm thinking about saying something.

00:48:23.820 There was no vetting in this.

00:48:26.100 All you needed to do to get a settlement was to be a member of the Second Mile charity,

00:48:31.600 claim that it happened on Penn State property or Penn State had some knowledge of it,

00:48:36.400 and be under the age of 30 years old, which is the statute of limitations of Pennsylvania.

00:48:40.060 If those three things occurred, bam, you got a settlement.

00:48:44.160 Now, the reason why this is important, and I told this to you guys in our last interview,

00:48:49.260 is, you know, last year there was a huge amount of publicity surrounding these 1971 and 76 accusations against Joe Paterno.

00:48:56.560 Well, why did those two accusers, 71 and 76, accuse Joe Paterno?

00:49:01.680 Because the media went bat crap crazy over this.

00:49:04.560 It's very understandable if you use your noggin. 0.94

00:49:07.600 Jerry Sandusky's charity starts in 1977.

00:49:11.120 If you're accusing as a teenager in 71 and 76, you're way outside the statute of limitations.

00:49:16.820 You now have two strikes against you.

00:49:19.260 Third strike, you better bring it.

00:49:21.360 And the only way to bring it with regard to Penn State settlement is, you told Joe Paterno.

00:49:26.220 So it's not a coincidence that the only two that claim that they ever say anything to Joe Paterno

00:49:30.860 happen to be the two guys who were the oldest and the ones who were not eligible for a settlement

00:49:37.060 because of their age and because of the fact that it happened before the Second Mile charity ever existed.

00:49:41.700 That's not a coincidence.

00:49:43.200 It's just like, it's going back and trying to remember this case.

00:49:45.740 You know, one of the things that stands out to me was the interview that Sandusky did.

00:49:51.420 Right.

00:49:51.680 With Bob Costas.

00:49:52.700 And that, I mean, I remember...

00:49:54.420 That was a bad interview.

00:49:56.140 Horrendous.

00:49:56.840 Horrendous.

00:49:57.300 And you know what it was born out of?

00:49:58.720 It was born out of the fact that they were so confident that they had Alan Myers, the kid in the McQuarrie episode,

00:50:03.560 on their side, having given a statement saying nothing ever happened, that Joe Amendola, the attorney,

00:50:10.180 delusionally thought, well, Bob Costas seems like he's going to be fair.

00:50:14.220 Let's do this.

00:50:15.280 By the way, of the many mainstream media types who follow my work carefully, Bob Costas is at the top of the list.

00:50:24.200 I mean, I communicate with Bob on a fairly regular basis.

00:50:26.940 And Bob, I don't want to speak for Bob, but Bob was the guy that did the interview, and Bob is still exceedingly interested in what really happened.

00:50:36.060 Because I remember playing the interview back in 11 or 12, whenever that was, and we were pretty convinced that Sandusky was guilty at that point.

00:50:45.700 Of course you were. It was such a bad answer.

00:50:47.080 Because he was asked if he was attracted to young boys, and he said, sexually attracted?

00:50:53.940 I mean, I like young people.

00:50:55.420 No. Right.

00:50:56.160 I mean, it sounded creepy.

00:50:58.300 Right.

00:50:58.780 It was such a bad answer.

00:51:01.020 The worst, if you're innocent.

00:51:03.360 Actually, think about it, though.

00:51:05.300 Because think about what was being alleged here.

00:51:07.460 If I'm asked that question, I'm like, no.

00:51:09.560 Of course you are.

00:51:10.100 Good golly, no.

00:51:11.220 Of course not.

00:51:12.200 Of course that is.

00:51:13.700 But if what's being alleged here is that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile for 30 or 40 years,

00:51:18.480 and involved in a massive cover-up of this, you don't think that that person has that answer ready to go?

00:51:24.980 Yeah.

00:51:25.420 That is completely consistent with who I've now learned Jerry Sandusky is.

00:51:29.200 Adult.

00:51:29.700 A dope.

00:51:30.660 Who is completely shocked.

00:51:32.160 A great adult.

00:51:33.460 Who is completely shocked that anybody could even possibly believe this, who's a terrible talker.

00:51:39.020 And by the way, that's the way he talks.

00:51:41.420 You can ask him, what time is it, Jerry?

00:51:43.560 And he goes, well, what time is it?

00:51:45.020 I don't know.

00:51:45.640 Let me check two or three watches, and I'll get back to you.

00:51:48.200 I mean, that's the way he is.

00:51:49.880 If you listen to my interviews with him on YouTube, there's numerous episodes of this.

00:51:54.300 It drives his wife, Dottie, crazy.

00:51:57.020 This is who he is.

00:51:58.780 Jerry Sandusky was a naive dolt.

00:52:02.760 Has his wife stuck with him?

00:52:04.060 A hundred percent.

00:52:05.040 She drives, until recently when he got transferred to prison,

00:52:08.220 she drives seven hours back and forth each week to visit him in prison.

00:52:13.160 And she is not.

00:52:14.680 She is not delusional.

00:52:15.940 I appeared on the Today Show with an hour-long interview with Matt Lauer with her.

00:52:20.040 She and I don't even like each other because she hangs up on me when I curse.

00:52:23.920 This is the church lady we're talking about.

00:52:26.060 And yet she's the one who's accused of allowing boys to be raped in her basement 12 feet from where she's baking cookies. 1.00

00:52:32.620 It's insane.

00:52:33.940 I remember that now.

00:52:34.980 She was made to look bad in this too.

00:52:36.640 They were downstairs.

00:52:37.500 She was upstairs.

00:52:38.840 All right.

00:52:39.100 I've got to take a break.

00:52:40.380 But there is a Trump connection to this.

00:52:42.280 Trump is weird.

00:52:43.940 He seems to like John's case.

00:52:45.480 He seems to like this case.

00:52:47.880 And John believes that this case actually played a role in his tactics during the election.

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00:53:52.460 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:53:56.100 Mercury.

00:53:56.920 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:54:03.300 We have just about three minutes here.

00:54:05.000 We're talking about the Penn State scandal.

00:54:07.060 And we're going to ask John to stay for the third hour as well, if you don't mind.

00:54:13.160 We'll take your phone calls.

00:54:14.420 People are already lined up.

00:54:16.040 Call us now, 888-727-BCK.

00:54:18.420 We want to take your phone calls.

00:54:19.860 I want to tear this open because if this is true...

00:54:22.960 There's a guy languishing in prison who shouldn't be.

00:54:25.140 Right.

00:54:25.460 And if it's not true, good.

00:54:27.420 I want him in prison forever.

00:54:29.020 By the way, it's important for my credibility.

00:54:30.860 I came to this conclusion against my own self-interest and trying to prove myself wrong.

00:54:37.200 And to this day, I will pay money.

00:54:40.180 Please prove me wrong.

00:54:41.980 Please.

00:54:42.460 Because I want this off my back.

00:54:44.620 This has been...

00:54:45.320 You've lost your job because of this.

00:54:48.100 This has been the worst thing that's ever happened in my life.

00:54:50.800 And I've been in radio.

00:54:52.020 I've had a lot of bad things happen.

00:54:53.880 I mean, so please, please take this burden away.

00:54:58.360 But Glenn, I've offered the number one victim in this case $10,000 to take a lie detector test.

00:55:03.580 His mom agreed.

00:55:04.540 And then suddenly the next day he backed out.

00:55:06.840 I've offered numerous money to charity, to numerous people to debate me on this.

00:55:10.840 No one will do it.

00:55:12.520 Please prove...

00:55:13.240 I would have a party tonight if someone could prove me wrong.

00:55:17.580 I know this feeling.

00:55:18.780 I know this feeling.

00:55:20.100 And that's why...

00:55:21.280 This is why this interests me.

00:55:23.360 Because it goes against everything I want to believe.

00:55:27.160 Of course.

00:55:28.260 And it interests me because I know you.

00:55:31.980 I know I've seen this feeling before.

00:55:36.200 And there's no reason for you...

00:55:37.280 It's living in me on things.

00:55:38.940 No reason for you to be this passionate about it.

00:55:40.860 Who will step in front of the train and say something?

00:55:44.720 And the answer is no one because there's too much to lose.

00:55:47.940 It's a lot...

00:55:48.660 It's unpopular.

00:55:49.480 It's a...

00:55:49.780 It's a lot like Trump winning the Republican nomination.

00:55:52.880 Same dynamics.

00:55:54.500 Same fear and cowardice.

00:55:55.920 No one wanting to get in front of that runaway freight train.

00:55:58.200 And as you've already alluded to, I met Trump about this story very briefly backstage at the Today Show.

00:56:04.700 And Trump had tweeted a couple times favorably to Joe Paterno, which had raised eyebrows.

00:56:09.780 And so I go up to Trump and I say, you know, I just want to thank you for your support of Joe Paterno.

00:56:15.620 Now, you would think that a normal human being, when they learn that I just been on the Today Show and I know everything about the case,

00:56:20.260 a normal human being would go, well, tell me about the case.

00:56:23.640 Well, Trump's not a normal human being.

00:56:25.520 All he talked to me about was how much Pennsylvanians love him because of this.

00:56:30.760 And I'm thinking, that's really odd.

00:56:33.320 Well, this was early 2014.

00:56:35.020 I now am positive that, in retrospect, he was already thinking about running for president.

00:56:40.680 He was thinking about the presidential primary in Pennsylvania.

00:56:43.400 And Pennsylvania, of course, ends up winning him the presidency.

00:56:46.300 And he mentioned this during the campaign, his support for Joe Paterno in Pennsylvania.

00:56:51.420 It's not a coincidence, but it told me a lot about Donald Trump.

00:56:54.720 And you got one of the famous Trump-signed pieces of paper sent to you.

00:56:59.080 Yes.

00:56:59.100 You can see it at FramingPaterno.com.

00:57:01.020 I texted you on my Twitter feed.

00:57:02.780 Yeah, it says, thanks, keep up the good work for justice, good fight for justice.

00:57:07.340 Donald Trump.

00:57:07.840 Donald Trump-signed.

00:57:09.700 That's kind of crazy.

00:57:10.380 I don't know if that helps or hurts your case.

00:57:11.840 I don't know.

00:57:12.780 I'm not a conspiracy, not Donald, like you are.

00:57:15.700 That cannot hurt to have the president of the United States on your side.

00:57:21.360 Well, that can't hurt.

00:57:23.040 We have to take a break.

00:57:24.260 We're going to do our serial part three, The Truth About Communism.

00:57:29.100 What is it?

00:57:30.640 That's next.

00:57:31.900 John will take your phone calls after that.

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00:57:44.900 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:57:46.700 In the last episode, we learned that Stalin's horrific, intentional starvation of the Ukrainian people called the Holodomor, the mass starvation, which claimed between 7 and 10 million people in just one year.

00:58:02.720 It's amazing that such an atrocity is largely hidden from our textbooks and absent from historical conversations.

00:58:10.380 Unlike Stalin's hideous cleansing, the carnage of another mass murderer lie within our periphery at all times. 0.66

00:58:18.720 Pop culture has embraced this genocidal dictator so much so that you actually see Che Guevara's face everywhere.

00:58:26.780 As the editor-in-chief of Reason.com, Nick Gillespie, explains.

00:58:31.800 There is the famous t-shirt.

00:58:33.340 It is so famous, in fact, that you can buy t-shirts that have images of the t-shirt on it.

00:58:38.180 Che's image, it sells beer, it sells lighters, it sells belt buckles, it sells baby onesies.

00:58:45.100 But is that who Che really was?

00:58:47.600 One of the things that is fascinating about the cult of Che is that it effectively thrives in the absence of any kind of historical understanding.

00:58:56.520 For example, look around at an anti-war rally and you'll probably see Che.

00:59:01.620 Che was a, you know, a self-taught revolutionary who was instrumental in Castro's takeover of Cuba.

00:59:07.380 He became known as the butcher of La Cabana prison in revolutionary Cuba, where he personally oversaw the execution of anywhere from 175 to several hundred people.

00:59:18.080 He's implicated in thousands of deaths that come after that.

00:59:21.840 Author of Exposing the Real Che Guevara, Umberto Fantova explains.

00:59:27.120 14,000 men and boys were executed in Cuba during the 1960s.

00:59:34.140 He said that his dream was to become a killing machine.

00:59:37.380 He said to his revolutionary comrades, if they weren't sure of someone's loyalty, if in doubt, kill him.

00:59:43.860 These are the realities that we need to understand about Che.

00:59:46.680 You could probably call him clinically a sadist.

00:59:49.500 When you read his diaries, he goes into particular detail about when he himself shoots people in the head.

00:59:59.320 But it goes beyond war.

01:00:01.780 Go to a rock concert and you're sure to see Che.

01:00:05.300 This is a man who tried to ban free expression, particularly musical expression such as rock music

01:00:11.780 and jazz music because he thought it was imperialist.

01:00:14.660 He was the Caribbean equivalent of the Taliban. 0.99

01:00:17.380 He enforced a single moralistic viewpoint and if you didn't agree with him, you would be killed.

01:00:22.880 One of my favorite is Carlos Santana.

01:00:25.560 At the 2005 Oscars, naturally, the Immortal Cycle Diaries won an Oscar and Carlos Santana went there to play the theme song for it.

01:00:34.900 Well, he was wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt.

01:00:37.580 Carlos Santana was showing off the emblem of a regime that made it a criminal offense to listen to Carlos Santana music.

01:00:44.980 But surely Che was a progressive and uniting force on race, right? 0.88

01:00:51.160 He says the Negro is lazy and indolent and spends all of his money on frivolities and booze, whereas the European is intelligent and forward-looking.

01:01:05.360 This is from his own diaries, yet we've got Jesse Jackson down there.

01:01:09.740 Viva Che!

01:01:10.740 We've got Jay-Z with a song with the lyrics.

01:01:14.360 I'm just like Che Guevara with a bling on.

01:01:17.760 I'm like Che Guevara with bling on.

01:01:20.340 I'm complex.

01:01:21.220 Maybe he is complex.

01:01:22.800 Either that or this guy doesn't know that this guy would have thought that this guy was nothing but a frivolous, lazy drunk just because of the color of his skin.

01:01:35.340 So what's wrong with wearing the t-shirt of a warmongering, bloodthirsty racist?

01:01:42.400 Well, what if he was also a terrorist, too?

01:01:45.260 To his home, to his places of work, to his places of recreation.

01:01:50.040 We will attack the enemy wherever he lives.

01:01:52.780 Folks, this was written in 1966.

01:01:55.860 He preempted al-Qaeda by 30, 40 years.

01:02:00.120 Let's see if you can tell the difference.

01:02:03.060 Which quote is from Che and which one is from Osama bin Laden?

01:02:06.960 Who said that if he had nuclear weapons, he would use them against the very heart of America, including New York City?

01:02:16.080 And who said the U.S. is a great enemy of mankind against those hyenas, there is no option but extermination?

01:02:26.480 Yeah, it was kind of unfair.

01:02:27.980 It was a trick question.

01:02:29.680 Both of those quotes are from Che.

01:02:32.440 Luckily, his attempts at killing Americans on our soil were about as effective as his attempts to ignite revolution around the world. 0.66

01:02:42.180 We look 50 years into the future, and there are only two unapologetic communist regimes, North Korea and Cuba.

01:02:49.220 If they had enough nutrition in order to run out of North Korea, they would do that. 0.99

01:02:53.180 They're starving there.

01:02:54.120 In Cuba, we see time and again people who are so desperate to get off that island hellhole that they will swim through shark-infested waters. 0.94

01:03:02.540 Che was the vanguard of the revolution.

01:03:04.460 He was going to bring communism everywhere around the world.

01:03:06.840 In this sense, Che was an absolute abject failure, and it's a damn good thing that he was.

01:03:12.900 This is Barbara Rangel's grandfather, Colonel Cornelio Rojas.

01:03:17.280 He was a freedom fighter way before Batista came into power.

01:03:20.860 He was a descendant of patriots.

01:03:24.100 His father was a general, and his grandfather was also a general brigadier that fought for the Cuba's War of Independence against Spain.

01:03:32.400 One day, her grandfather was just gone.

01:03:37.320 When Fidel Castro and Che Guevara arrived in Havana, it was January 59, and that's precisely when my grandfather disappeared.

01:03:44.940 My family had no idea where he was.

01:03:48.080 All of a sudden, my family was in the living room watching television, and they see my grandfather walking.

01:03:55.960 They were extremely happy to see him, and then they realized that he was walking towards the wall.

01:04:04.060 He started screaming, and my grandmother collapsed.

01:04:08.240 They realized that he's going to be executed when they asked him if he wanted to be blindfolded, and he said, no.

01:04:16.960 And he said, there you have the revolution. Take care of it.

01:04:22.120 He asked if he could give the firing orders, and he says, aim, fire.

01:04:29.360 He died like a hero.

01:04:31.400 And he was executed by cowards.

01:04:34.120 There was no trial whatsoever.

01:04:35.960 Che Guevara did not allow a trial.

01:04:37.720 He was taken prisoner at the beginning of January and executed January 7th.

01:04:41.860 That is something that I will never forget.

01:04:44.060 There is not one day in my life that I don't think about it.

01:04:48.060 This is the real legacy of Che.

01:04:51.500 It's murder, destruction, and broken families.

01:04:55.320 So what can we do to correct the lies?

01:04:58.700 Maybe it's time to make the truth a bit more fashionable.

01:05:01.900 In the next episode, we learn the truth of one of the most prolific communist killers in history, the chairman, Mao Zedong.

01:05:12.060 Tomorrow in the Glenn Beck program, in chapter four of the truth about communism, you'll learn about the great helmsman and why he wasn't great at all.

01:05:22.040 Listen live or online at glennbeck.com slash serials.

01:05:25.840 To me, this is why what we're going through is so frightening because nobody knows what communism is.

01:05:40.340 Nobody knows what Marxism is.

01:05:42.680 We're not talking about it.

01:05:43.720 We're not teaching our kids.

01:05:45.720 There is more in these serials than your kids will learn in K through 12 about communism.

01:05:54.200 I don't think there's any doubt about that.

01:05:55.520 There's no doubt about that.

01:05:57.020 They think, you know, as we presented there, they think Che is some cultural phenomenon.

01:06:01.660 They think he's a cool looking freedom fighter.

01:06:05.940 He is a guy who...

01:06:08.500 If they knew the brutality of that guy and the thousands of homosexuals he killed. 0.93

01:06:12.700 Yeah, he's a horrible...

01:06:14.260 The hatred for blacks he had.

01:06:15.700 Yeah.

01:06:16.180 How does this happen?

01:06:17.540 Yeah.

01:06:18.260 It happens because our kids are ignorant because we took our eye off the ball and the progressive

01:06:26.080 educational system wants to erase communism and make communism into something good.

01:06:32.360 It is absolutely evil.

01:06:35.040 More than that, they've made it actually hip.

01:06:36.460 Yeah, and I have banned the word evil from my lexicon when I am talking about people or

01:06:43.080 events, but I can clearly say communism is evil.

01:06:48.400 Marxism is evil.

01:06:50.640 It has led to millions and millions of dead.

01:06:55.400 Just 100 million in the last century.

01:06:58.000 That's it.

01:06:59.460 It is...

01:07:00.460 And it is...

01:07:01.300 Every time, it's repackaged and it's warm and fuzzy.

01:07:05.540 It never is.

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01:07:49.820 Okay.

01:07:50.100 Now this.

01:07:51.980 Headline.

01:07:52.960 Phone user in China's cashless society.

01:07:56.080 Phones, I'm sorry, phones usher in, jeez, what a ridiculous, phones usher in China's cashless society.

01:08:04.300 How is that possible?

01:08:05.480 What does that mean?

01:08:06.800 We are so close to being able, Amazon is already doing this with their grocery store.

01:08:10.820 Yeah, you just use your phone and.

01:08:11.300 You walk in.

01:08:12.940 Like a debit card, sort of.

01:08:14.080 You walk in through the doors of the Amazon grocery store in Seattle, and you use your phone as the debit card.

01:08:22.300 You walk through the door.

01:08:24.560 And you just take whatever you want, put it in your cart, and walk out.

01:08:28.200 It's all done automatically.

01:08:29.320 He totals it all up as you're walking out of the store.

01:08:32.280 That's awesome.

01:08:32.900 Takes the money from your phone as the credit card.

01:08:35.000 I mean, that's awesome.

01:08:36.120 It is awesome.

01:08:36.640 Because you can already use your phone as just a debit card.

01:08:38.880 You know, yesterday, I don't know if you guys saw the Think Tank at 5 o'clock, who did a show yesterday,

01:08:44.880 had some really good people on the Think Tank yesterday.

01:08:48.860 Mateen was on talking about a few futuristic stories that are coming.

01:08:55.380 And he sees this all as very positive.

01:08:57.900 And they're all great positive things.

01:09:00.200 I mentioned a few negatives.

01:09:02.460 We got off the air, and everybody in the room went, you guys need to talk about that more.

01:09:09.020 Oh, my gosh.

01:09:11.140 All of these things are going to be sold to us as really good.

01:09:15.480 And they are really good.

01:09:17.540 Always for our safety.

01:09:18.680 Right.

01:09:18.960 They're all really good.

01:09:21.160 But in case there's a bad guy that gets in charge of governments around the world,

01:09:27.200 in case there's this idea that maybe there should be one world government from somebody.

01:09:32.900 I can't imagine that.

01:09:33.720 Yes.

01:09:34.320 It could go horribly.

01:09:37.360 According to one academic, cashless transactions could be China's primary needs of payment in as little as?

01:09:45.260 Two years.

01:09:46.580 Five.

01:09:47.180 Yeah.

01:09:47.900 Five years.

01:09:49.240 Cashless in five years.

01:09:50.660 You wrecked it, Jeffy.

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01:10:49.260 This is the Glenn Beck program.

01:10:51.980 We have John Ziegler with us.

01:10:52.960 He's been talking about the Penn State scandal in a completely different way.

01:10:57.400 And Anthony Lebrano is on our phone line.

01:11:00.400 He is a board member at Penn State.

01:11:03.360 Anthony?

01:11:04.360 Yes, I am a trustee at Penn State.

01:11:06.300 What are you thinking about what you're hearing from John Ziegler today?

01:11:10.760 Well, first, I want to acknowledge John's efforts over the last five years.

01:11:16.400 He's had a tough road to hope.

01:11:18.460 I can tell you this.

01:11:20.820 I've said this very publicly.

01:11:23.240 Penn State, our board, has approved $93 million in settlements to 33 claimants.

01:11:29.260 The first round of those settlements, we paid $60 million to, I think, 26 individuals.

01:11:37.220 I voted for that settlement.

01:11:39.480 But I learned later that some of the representations made to us were untrue.

01:11:44.540 And so when we voted again on the second round of settlements, I this time demanded information

01:11:49.800 that hadn't been provided to me originally and voted against the settlements.

01:11:53.920 I have some real concerns, no question about it.

01:11:57.260 I have concerns with respect to the process.

01:12:00.220 There was little to no vetting of these claimants.

01:12:03.500 I know the university is going to take exception to that.

01:12:05.440 But the fact of the matter is our own insurer fought us.

01:12:09.020 And if you look at the documents that are public in that litigation, they always do.

01:12:13.860 They just want to settle.

01:12:14.920 Insurance companies just want to settle.

01:12:17.260 Well, no, their claims were that the amounts that we settled were higher than we should have

01:12:22.560 settled to begin with.

01:12:23.420 But we hired the gentleman who was involved in the settlements of the World Trade Center,

01:12:30.340 Feinberg, and his partner, Rosen.

01:12:33.480 And they came up with a process.

01:12:36.080 And ostensibly, Glenn, that process was to pay, not to push back.

01:12:41.840 But I've lost a great deal of respect for our justice system.

01:12:48.180 It doesn't seem to be particularly just.

01:12:49.860 And, you know, because this is such a politically charged topic, as you heard with your guest

01:12:55.440 today, you know, you're pox on you, a curse on you and your family if you suggest that

01:13:01.020 someone has has not told the truth.

01:13:03.060 And I have some real concerns.

01:13:06.320 Do you think, Anthony, that this is this has the potential of being remembered a little like

01:13:15.320 the McCarthy hearings or the the Red Scare that we're going to look back on this and just see people

01:13:23.160 screaming, you know, molestation and destroying innocent people in their wake?

01:13:30.380 You know, I don't know that it would be that extreme.

01:13:34.420 I think what what we will look back and remember this period for is truly a rush to judgment,

01:13:40.540 a lack of of real leadership and courage instead of stopping the train.

01:13:47.380 John believes John believes that Sandusky is is innocent.

01:13:50.360 Do you?

01:13:50.880 I'm not going to make a statement with respect to his guilt or innocence, but I will say that

01:13:56.280 I'm pleased that he's he's been given three more hearings under the law in Pennsylvania

01:14:01.920 to prove that he he deserves another trial.

01:14:05.360 I personally think he should get another trial.

01:14:07.880 I do not think he was adequately prepared for trial the first time.

01:14:11.880 You know, the fact is that he was tried and in jail within six, six months.

01:14:17.380 And yet the three administrators only go to trial.

01:14:20.440 Well, not one of them next week.

01:14:21.980 Wow.

01:14:22.580 Almost, you know, six years later.

01:14:24.480 Anthony, thank you so much.

01:14:26.580 I appreciate it.

01:14:27.680 Anthony Lubrano, trustee on the board of Penn State.

01:14:31.280 Back with your phone calls, your thoughts.

01:14:34.240 And John Ziegler.

01:14:35.280 Next.

01:14:38.480 Glenn Beck.

01:14:39.700 Mercury.

01:14:57.340 This is the Blaze Radio On Demand.

01:15:01.700 Hello, America.

01:15:02.660 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:15:03.800 We have John Ziegler in with us who does a podcast on SoundCloud

01:15:07.860 called The World According to Zieg.

01:15:10.660 He also writes for Mediaite.

01:15:12.240 He's a friend of the program and a guy who is truly tortured.

01:15:17.260 He is a guy who doesn't want to believe something,

01:15:22.320 doesn't want to be the standard bearer of this,

01:15:24.720 but believes that a true injustice has been done to Jerry Sandusky

01:15:30.060 and to the people of Pennsylvania through the Penn State scandal.

01:15:33.780 He's been with us for the last couple of hours making a pretty compelling case.

01:15:39.880 We just had one of the board of trustee members on from Penn State

01:15:43.820 who said, thank God for John making this case because something is wrong.

01:15:49.820 We have a little more information and your phone calls.

01:15:52.840 We start there and cover so much more beginning right now.

01:15:58.760 I will make a stand.

01:16:02.060 I will raise my voice.

01:16:04.400 I will hold your hand.

01:16:06.820 Because we are one.

01:16:08.620 I will beat my drum.

01:16:10.860 I have made my choice.

01:16:13.120 We will overcome.

01:16:15.400 Because we are one.

01:16:17.280 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

01:16:21.080 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:16:27.000 I remember I was not up and didn't follow.

01:16:33.020 I was in the middle of the George Soros stuff when the Penn State scandal happened.

01:16:40.320 But I remember, and I'm also not a sports fan,

01:16:43.140 and I remember everybody on the team saying, this is incredible.

01:16:46.460 No, no, no, no, no, this can't be.

01:16:48.040 This guy is one of the greatest guys ever.

01:16:49.880 Then we saw him or heard him do a Bob Costas interview.

01:16:54.620 And we immediately thought, that's not the way I would answer that.

01:17:01.920 And I know how I feel about young men.

01:17:05.380 So I think this guy is guilty as sin.

01:17:09.020 Remember this moment.

01:17:10.560 Are you a pedophile?

01:17:12.180 No.

01:17:13.040 Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?

01:17:16.460 Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?

01:17:21.280 Sexually attracted?

01:17:22.520 No.

01:17:22.880 I enjoy young people.

01:17:25.660 I love to be around them.

01:17:30.080 Guilty.

01:17:31.480 But no, I'm not sexually attracted.

01:17:34.460 All of us would have immediately went, no.

01:17:38.220 Of course not.

01:17:38.860 I like to be around kids, but not sexually.

01:17:42.040 And all of us immediately went, that sounds guilty.

01:17:45.820 Yeah.

01:17:46.340 John is here.

01:17:47.140 He's laid out a case, has a whole case, and you can go back and listen to it on the podcast.

01:17:51.860 We've spent the last two hours kind of making it.

01:17:54.200 But why did he answer that way?

01:17:58.180 Well, it's a great question.

01:17:59.460 Ironically, you know, I presume that Jerry Sandusky was guilty as hell when the story broke.

01:18:03.020 That was the first moment that I thought, maybe he's innocent, even though I knew it was such a bad answer that a trained pedophile had gotten away with us for so long, couldn't possibly have given that answer.

01:18:16.800 But there's another element to this, though, that's also important.

01:18:20.500 And I'm glad that you guys played the first part of that.

01:18:23.020 Are you a pedophile?

01:18:24.700 No.

01:18:25.880 In his mind, he's already put that aside.

01:18:30.260 You've met with him in prison.

01:18:32.560 For six hours.

01:18:33.660 For six hours.

01:18:34.800 Alone.

01:18:35.760 And with his wife the second time.

01:18:37.640 Did he try anything?

01:18:39.540 Did you shower with him?

01:18:40.860 That's the question.

01:18:42.780 But you are absolutely convinced he is innocent.

01:18:45.420 A hundred percent.

01:18:47.120 And it's not even close.

01:18:48.840 And I realize it sounds insane.

01:18:50.440 This is not a conspiracy theory.

01:18:52.020 I despise conspiracy theories.

01:18:54.640 I think everybody's guilty.

01:18:56.240 I think humanity stinks.

01:18:57.720 After all, I've worked in radio for a long time.

01:18:59.640 So I know firsthand how bad humans are.

01:19:02.480 You think this is just the new American dream is being able to sue somebody with a lot of money, i.e. Penn State.

01:19:08.340 That was part of the perfect storm here.

01:19:10.900 There are so many elements to the perfect storm of this case.

01:19:14.220 But this is something, as you've already alluded to, Glenn, I don't want to believe this.

01:19:18.700 All right.

01:19:18.980 I didn't want this.

01:19:20.480 I don't even like Jerry.

01:19:22.260 I mean, Jerry's a goofball.

01:19:24.000 He's a weirdo.

01:19:25.020 He he he's adult.

01:19:27.320 But he's not a pedophile.

01:19:29.180 And he's incredibly naive.

01:19:31.940 And he's innocent.

01:19:33.960 And it's obvious if you look at the facts of the case, it's not.

01:19:37.960 That's the most amazing part.

01:19:39.440 It's not close.

01:19:40.600 Rick in California has been listening.

01:19:42.600 Yeah.

01:19:42.800 And he has, I think, the number one.

01:19:45.080 Sure.

01:19:45.320 I want to hear it.

01:19:45.960 Go ahead, Rick.

01:19:47.700 Hi, guys.

01:19:48.520 Yeah.

01:19:48.960 Glenn, we've been watching you for a long time.

01:19:51.160 Thank you.

01:19:51.940 All you do.

01:19:52.800 And we appreciate all the guys, especially you, Jeffy.

01:19:55.660 Oh, no.

01:19:56.880 He's lost all the credibility.

01:19:59.080 All right.

01:20:00.120 Go ahead.

01:20:00.440 We'll we'll let you ask your question.

01:20:02.540 Of all the times to try to call in on the show.

01:20:05.560 And this is when I get through.

01:20:06.660 And I'm a I'm a former Pennsylvania guy.

01:20:08.980 I grew up there.

01:20:09.520 And John, you know, so this is confirmation bias, John.

01:20:13.680 I want to believe you.

01:20:15.580 But the segment, Glenn, that you just shared almost addresses this maybe to some degree.

01:20:21.620 But why is Sandusky not jumping up and down if it were me, if I were in his shoes?

01:20:28.660 And I don't even know what the heck that means.

01:20:30.220 But if I were in his shoes, I can't imagine that I wouldn't be cursing the person out who

01:20:36.220 even mentioned that to me if I an accused.

01:20:39.680 And especially if I'm in jail, I would be screaming innocence.

01:20:44.240 Exactly.

01:20:44.860 I don't understand.

01:20:45.740 So I'm just curious, John, you know, what's your thought?

01:20:49.300 Yeah, he's maybe he's weird if he's that weird.

01:20:52.380 What's he doing being a football coach?

01:20:53.940 But if he's that odd, why why is he not jumping up and down?

01:20:58.900 And that last segment, Glenn just played.

01:21:01.180 I mean, no, it's a great it's a great question.

01:21:03.500 And I want to address it because this was a big issue for me, because in my mind, I'm

01:21:07.820 thinking if this was me, I would be going bananas.

01:21:12.100 All right.

01:21:12.880 There's a couple of things.

01:21:14.080 First of all, people don't understand.

01:21:17.260 And you've got to put yourself in his position.

01:21:19.560 Jerry is so naive.

01:21:20.580 Thanks, Rick.

01:21:21.440 Jerry is so naive that a week before the trial starts, he goes to his attorney and says,

01:21:27.760 can I just meet with these guys and correct this misunderstanding?

01:21:31.520 Understanding, he loved these guys.

01:21:34.360 So in order to defend himself, he would have had to have gone on a search and destroy mission

01:21:39.640 for guys that he loved, who he did not think it was possible were going to betray him to

01:21:47.320 the extent that they were.

01:21:48.500 He thought to the moment of conviction, something was going to happen to fix this and to prove

01:21:54.960 this the second time I interviewed him in prison with his wife there, I asked what I thought

01:22:00.920 was the most important question because I had been struggling with this.

01:22:05.200 Why is there not more blow fight back?

01:22:07.480 Why?

01:22:07.780 Why?

01:22:08.380 You know, why exactly is the caller is questioning?

01:22:10.680 And I said, Jerry, when was the first moment, first moment you thought this might not work

01:22:19.200 out okay?

01:22:20.160 Now, if you're guilty, there are a thousand moments in this story.

01:22:23.760 This was a very long investigation before we ever went to trial.

01:22:26.840 If you're guilty, there's a thousand moments where you go, well, you know.

01:22:29.920 If you're innocent and you're a strict God guy.

01:22:35.020 Yes.

01:22:35.340 You don't think until the hammer comes down.

01:22:39.200 Bingo.

01:22:40.120 That's what he said.

01:22:41.560 So they thought God was going to save them.

01:22:45.800 And Jerry, Jerry, in chains, unable to even scratch his cheek, tears coming down his face

01:22:52.980 and he's not a crier, says, it was the moment of the verdicts.

01:22:57.420 When I heard the moment of the verdicts and then I turned to his wife, more tears.

01:23:02.640 She says exactly the same thing.

01:23:05.340 They thought God was going to save them.

01:23:08.820 Yep.

01:23:09.260 And it is.

01:23:09.840 And then by the time.

01:23:10.580 I would think so, too.

01:23:11.400 I mean, if I would take it seriously.

01:23:13.580 No, I mean, no, we do.

01:23:15.120 That's what.

01:23:15.900 Yeah.

01:23:16.220 There was a defense.

01:23:17.340 And part of the reason he didn't testify at trial is that the very much against the media

01:23:23.060 narrative.

01:23:23.440 And it's important to point out there's no cameras in the courtroom in Pennsylvania.

01:23:26.480 So the news media has a stranglehold over the narrative.

01:23:30.340 All right.

01:23:30.840 In the real world, the trial went very well for the defense.

01:23:35.400 The media never told you that because that's not the story they wanted.

01:23:39.840 But they thought this was a normal case.

01:23:42.520 And they thought, well, we don't need to put you on because they haven't proven anything.

01:23:46.400 They didn't realize we're in la-la land on this one.

01:23:50.280 This is about emotion and politics and money.

01:23:54.060 There is no critical thinking anymore, that people do not know how to critically think

01:24:00.480 anymore.

01:24:00.980 Let me go to let me go to Rick in Maryland.

01:24:03.360 He's a retired detective.

01:24:05.040 Hello, Rick.

01:24:05.500 Go ahead.

01:24:06.940 Hey, Glenn.

01:24:08.080 Good to speak with you.

01:24:09.480 And I do appreciate all this work that John's put into this case.

01:24:12.840 But as a retired detective, I want to speak up on behalf of these victims, because a lot

01:24:17.600 of the things that he was speaking with you about, you know, could a victim, you know,

01:24:23.140 be cooking upstairs?

01:24:24.740 I mean, the wife and this happened.

01:24:26.600 Sure.

01:24:27.280 And the fact that that occurred, I mean, that to me, you know, he's using these and the

01:24:32.960 recantation phenomenon as part of the basis of unbelief.

01:24:37.140 And having investigated lots of lots of hundreds of cases and interviewed thousands of victims,

01:24:44.060 the whole grooming process, the secrecy, the recantation phenomenon, the guilt associated

01:24:50.460 with these young boys, fear, generally, they're not very trustworthy.

01:24:55.260 They become liars and thieves.

01:24:57.460 And there's just a phenomenon that occurs that I want him to take into account.

01:25:01.800 And I kind of I kind of hit that with you, John, earlier, but I think Rick expresses

01:25:07.940 it much clearer.

01:25:08.820 And from a detective point of view, there's a lot going on that you got to give.

01:25:15.520 I get my birth.

01:25:16.960 I get it.

01:25:17.460 And I did for a long time.

01:25:20.120 I presume that this premise that this detective is talking about is universal.

01:25:27.320 And that's why I presumed Sandusky to be guilty for the first two years of my investigation.

01:25:31.800 Where I was focused on my website is framing paterno dot com.

01:25:36.060 It had nothing to do with Jerry Sandusky at the beginning.

01:25:38.140 I thought Joe Paterno had clearly gotten a raw deal.

01:25:41.520 But but here's what the detective is articulating in much the same way that you did earlier is

01:25:47.160 the foundation on which this injustice was built, because everyone is accepted.

01:25:53.460 Now, a series of rules for evaluating these stories, which makes it impossible to defend

01:26:00.680 yourself.

01:26:01.180 And once Joe Paterno is fired, see, again, that's the key moment in this whole thing.

01:26:07.360 It's it's why we perceive the Costas interview the way that we did.

01:26:11.220 That happened a week before the Costas interview.

01:26:13.560 So with the Paterno firing, you're now presuming he has to be guilty.

01:26:19.360 And everyone has got the pitchforks and the torches out.

01:26:23.620 And that's for sure.

01:26:24.540 And and when you look at each of these individual stories, I'm not talking about little inconsistencies.

01:26:32.240 I'm talking about massive, huge credibility problems.

01:26:37.260 Give me one.

01:26:37.740 Oh, there's so many.

01:26:40.720 But, you know, since we mentioned he mentioned the man who claims to have been raped in the

01:26:46.240 basement while Dottie was upstairs baking cookies, Matt Lauer was in that basement.

01:26:51.720 Matt Lauer was like, seriously, I mean, we're like from here to me to you, Glenn, with with

01:26:56.680 no installation and the kids supposedly screaming.

01:26:59.600 But here's the biggest problem.

01:27:01.200 According to him, he was there the same weekends for several years as victim number one, Aaron

01:27:05.640 Fisher, which is, first of all, logistically impossible.

01:27:09.320 But they don't know each other.

01:27:11.320 They've never met.

01:27:13.700 The dates aren't possible because they're they're doubling down on the same time period.

01:27:19.860 Not to mention, he comes forward after the Paterno firing.

01:27:23.880 Everyone who comes forward after the Paterno firing knows Fort Knox is open.

01:27:29.260 Here's the key.

01:27:30.600 So what was because there's what?

01:27:31.920 Ten, ten alleged victims.

01:27:34.700 Right.

01:27:34.720 At trial, how many came after that?

01:27:36.600 At trial, this is a great question because this gets manipulated very badly by the media.

01:27:42.100 Everyone always says ten.

01:27:43.760 No, no, no, no.

01:27:44.580 At trial, there were eight people who testified, six of whom came forward before Paterno's firing.

01:27:51.280 Of those six, only two alleged actual sex acts of any sort.

01:27:56.120 I'm not talking about Bill Clinton definition of sex.

01:27:58.400 I'm talking about any definition of sex, period.

01:28:00.920 Okay, so wait, what did the other four testify?

01:28:03.100 Grooming acts like like like, you know, he took a shower with me and rubbed soap on me or, you know, something something like that.

01:28:13.620 All right.

01:28:13.880 And so and by the way, four of those six are friends.

01:28:18.200 And oh, by the way, the Pulitzer Prize winning reporter on this case, Sarah Gannon, now at CNN, had texted the mom of one of those four saying they're going to close the case unless we find more accusers.

01:28:31.080 And then suddenly, shockingly, three of his buddies show up as accusers.

01:28:37.020 So four of the six are all in the same photograph in Jerry Sandusky's book.

01:28:42.040 Now, who puts that who puts a photograph of themselves with four of their victims in their book called Touched?

01:28:49.100 I mean, it's insane.

01:28:53.240 It's insane.

01:28:55.180 And so in the worst example, in the so-called victim number eight, this is this will blow your minds.

01:29:02.080 OK, victim number eight has this is he got convicted on five counts involving so-called number eight, which doesn't have a date.

01:29:11.640 It doesn't have a victim who testified.

01:29:13.780 It doesn't have a contemporaneous report.

01:29:16.300 It doesn't even have a witness.

01:29:18.520 The only witness was a hearsay witness because the original witness allegedly had dementia and couldn't testify.

01:29:26.460 Except we learned the janitor, the janitor, except we learned after the trial that the janitor with dementia had been interviewed by the prosecution and three times in this interview said it was not Jerry Sandusky that he saw the prosecution.

01:29:43.860 The prosecution clearly saw that and said, guess what, sir?

01:29:48.480 You have dementia because you didn't give us our proper answer.

01:29:51.800 That that's the definition of dementia in this case, giving the wrong answer for the prosecution that that that alone right there is should have people going crazy over.

01:30:03.440 Wait a minute.

01:30:04.020 That's an insane.

01:30:05.240 Even if he was guilty, that's an insane conviction.

01:30:08.620 See, the problem is you never know if somebody's guilty or not.

01:30:12.960 It's supposed to be beyond a reasonable doubt.

01:30:16.760 And I don't know how you get to beyond a reasonable doubt unless you just allow emotion to dictate and say, I have to write this wrong.

01:30:34.080 Exactly.

01:30:34.860 And the whole community, Glenn, was being accused of enabling a pedophile.

01:30:38.840 Right.

01:30:39.460 People had pitchforks and torches outside, almost literally outside of the courthouse.

01:30:43.980 It happened seven months after the arrest.

01:30:46.560 And more importantly, not only did Joe Paterno get fired, he died.

01:30:51.140 Right.

01:30:51.720 So Jerry's the pedophile who not only destroyed Penn State football and got him fired, he killed Santa Claus.

01:30:58.600 Right.

01:30:58.940 I mean, this is this is all there was not one continuance, by the way, which never happens in a case like this.

01:31:05.180 The whole thing is a massive rush to judgment.

01:31:08.160 And now everyone's making up a narrative to bolster it.

01:31:12.740 More in just a second.

01:31:13.700 And I will tell you, we're going to be doing a special later in the year on a court case that I went through that I've lost all faith in the judicial system.

01:31:24.080 And I settled the case, but I settled under the condition that everything is public, that all records could be open, all testimony, everything could be sealed.

01:31:35.920 I didn't want it sealed.

01:31:36.880 I wanted it open for the public to see.

01:31:41.840 And we're going to be showing you some of the things that will make you question, does justice does justice exist in America?

01:31:52.420 Now, I don't know about this case, but if there's an innocent man and the taxpayers of Pennsylvania paying money to people, they shouldn't be paying money to.

01:32:06.260 There's a massive injustice.

01:32:08.340 And I don't know about you, but I want justice to actually stand.

01:32:15.360 I want I want one time for somebody to listen to the little guy who's screaming out and saying injustice, injustice and not being railroaded by the media and by attorneys and everybody else by political correctness.

01:32:30.160 I don't know if it's this case, but I'm listening to John because I know he's lost almost everything and he doesn't want this case.

01:32:38.640 And I have felt that burden.

01:32:40.220 I still feel that burden to tell the truth because no one else will.

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01:34:08.280 We're with John Ziegler.

01:34:09.420 We're talking about the Penn State scandal in a whole different way that I'm not sure how I feel about yet, but it's an amazing take you have on it.

01:34:18.600 A lot of people are probably wondering, why did this happen?

01:34:21.480 Joe Paterno's a beloved character.

01:34:24.800 First of all, why did the media go after him?

01:34:27.080 And you kind of have a theory about that, don't you?

01:34:28.960 Well, 100% that part of what drove this original firestorm is the fact that the liberal media loved destroying a goody-two-shoes conservative like Joe Paterno,

01:34:37.720 who had an awful relationship with the media because he knew what morons they were his whole life.

01:34:42.660 Makes sense.

01:34:43.280 That enlightens a lot.

01:34:44.940 It sure does.

01:34:45.380 Because Paterno was a lifelong conservative.

01:34:47.140 Absolutely.

01:34:48.080 Good friend with the Bushes.

01:34:49.060 Yeah.

01:34:49.900 And they hated him for that.

01:34:51.940 Oh, that is a, I mean, I will tell you, that is, I've seen it, but to throw someone in jail for the rest of their life is different.

01:35:05.940 Let's continue that here in a second.

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01:35:17.520 We have John Ziegler with us for a few more minutes, and he's talking about the Penn State scandal in a whole different way.

01:35:26.000 Basically, everybody you think is guilty is innocent, and he really believes it and wants somebody to prove him wrong

01:35:34.840 because he would like this burden of an innocent man in prison off of his plate.

01:35:40.700 Please.

01:35:41.760 But it's not just you who thinks there's been a very odd look at this.

01:35:46.640 You released recently, exclusively, is my understanding, a report done by the federal government.

01:35:53.680 Can you talk about this?

01:35:54.460 Yes.

01:35:54.480 This is amazing.

01:35:55.160 In a normal case, this would be big news, but all the bets are off, all the rules are off on this particular case.

01:36:01.860 This week, and you can find it at framingpaterno.com, through Dan Abrams' website, Law News,

01:36:06.880 I released a federal report done by a federal investigative services special agent by the name of John Sneddon,

01:36:14.640 who investigated the entire Penn State situation after the story broke in November 2011

01:36:19.420 because Graham Spanier, who's going on trial next week, had a top secret and a very top secret security clearance with the federal government.

01:36:27.220 By the way, no one really knows why, but he's the president of Penn State.

01:36:33.600 It's weird, but OK.

01:36:35.440 So the federal government, after the scandal breaks, decides we need to investigate this

01:36:40.240 to see whether or not he should keep his top secret security clearance.

01:36:43.780 Six-month investigation finds zero reason for him not to have the security clearance renewed.

01:36:49.760 It is renewed.

01:36:51.040 The special agent is positive there was no cover-up.

01:36:53.680 He believes that Sandusky is likely innocent, and I released the full report.

01:36:59.940 It's 110 pages.

01:37:01.200 If you understand the case, it's stunning, especially since Louis Free, who did the famous Free report,

01:37:06.880 which is credited for so-called proving the cover-up, even though it doesn't do anything of the sort.

01:37:12.960 Louis Free, former FBI director, is told about this.

01:37:16.380 Now, you would think as an FBI director, having the FIS conclude that Graham Spanier's security clearance

01:37:21.760 should be renewed, would have alarm bells go off.

01:37:24.960 Free ignores it, doesn't even put it in his report.

01:37:27.780 Why?

01:37:28.120 Because it completely contradicts the conclusions he needed to come to.

01:37:31.400 Why did he need to come to them?

01:37:32.740 Because he was being paid millions of dollars by people at Penn State who needed an explanation

01:37:37.580 for why Joe Paterno had been fired.

01:37:40.260 Because firing Joe Paterno was essentially like destroying the entire history of a huge portion of the Penn State University.

01:37:48.320 And there was no explanation for it because, ironically enough, the number one thing people don't understand

01:37:53.600 about Joe Paterno's element in this case, Joe Paterno is why Jerry Sandusky got arrested.

01:37:59.040 Without Joe Paterno, Jerry Sandusky's playing golf in Florida today.

01:38:03.640 And yet, he's the guy who gets his legacy destroyed because of the media being a bunch of frickin' morons.

01:38:08.940 And we haven't talked much about Paterno, which obviously, framing Paterno is your site, right?

01:38:12.620 So, you kind of started there.

01:38:15.340 Assuming that Sandusky was guilty, but Paterno was innocent.

01:38:19.460 Most people think, you have a, I think, you had a poll, was it?

01:38:22.520 Yeah, a poll about 45% of Americans actually believe Joe Paterno may have been a child molester.

01:38:29.640 Yes.

01:38:30.000 Jeez.

01:38:30.320 I believe that.

01:38:31.260 Now, that's incredible because he wasn't even accused of being a child molester.

01:38:34.100 No, I know, but because of the firing.

01:38:35.100 You believe the people believe it, not that he was a child molester.

01:38:37.080 Correct.

01:38:37.580 Because of the firing.

01:38:39.360 Right, right.

01:38:39.920 No, I commissioned that poll.

01:38:41.480 We spent a lot of money on that.

01:38:42.840 It was a legitimate scientific poll nationwide.

01:38:45.780 And yeah, we found that a huge portion of people thought incorrectly that Joe Paterno

01:38:50.920 had been accused of a child molester station.

01:38:52.900 To be honest, I mean, they tore it up in a statue and everything.

01:38:54.920 And you might have more on this in the poll, but I think a lot of people believe Joe Paterno

01:39:00.300 heard about this, wanted to protect Penn State, wouldn't report it to anyone because

01:39:05.180 he didn't want to, you know, screw the reputation of the university and the football team.

01:39:09.600 It makes no sense.

01:39:10.640 Or him.

01:39:11.500 Or his own name.

01:39:12.600 However, he did report it.

01:39:14.460 He did.

01:39:15.260 Absolutely.

01:39:15.920 Can you go through that scenario for people who don't remember?

01:39:18.280 He's the one who told the athletic director and the head of the campus police, oh, by the

01:39:23.880 way, Mike McQuarrie came to tell me something that made him feel uncomfortable.

01:39:27.980 You should talk to McQuarrie.

01:39:29.420 And by the way, McQuarrie doesn't get an open job at the time.

01:39:33.960 If there had been a cover up here, what do you do with the only witness in a cover up?

01:39:37.580 You give him an open job.

01:39:39.020 He was a lowly grad assistant.

01:39:40.560 And that actually came out that he did report it.

01:39:42.540 And then the response from the media.

01:39:44.680 Was it used in the trial that he also didn't get the job?

01:39:48.460 The problem, Glenn, is McQuarrie got the date, the month, and the year wrong.

01:39:52.560 So when all this matters, no one's connecting those dots because we think it's happening

01:39:59.600 in 2002 when it actually was 2001.

01:40:02.200 By the way, who forgets something whether it happened?

01:40:04.780 Gee, did that rape I see happen before 9-11 or after 9-11?

01:40:09.960 Come on.

01:40:10.540 That's a pretty big divide.

01:40:11.780 That is a big divide.

01:40:12.980 That's absurd.

01:40:13.480 What about the case, though, that people will bring up?

01:40:15.420 They'll say, look, yes, he reported it.

01:40:18.340 But Joe Paterno ran that university.

01:40:20.300 He was the man.

01:40:21.700 If he wanted to follow up on these serious allegations, he could have.

01:40:25.760 He should have been all over this.

01:40:27.200 He should have been asking for updates daily.

01:40:29.100 Why didn't he do any of that?

01:40:30.260 Well, first of all, we're not sure that that's not what happened.

01:40:33.560 But second of all, there was nothing to update on.

01:40:36.900 First of all, Jerry wasn't his employee.

01:40:39.760 The number one thing you need to understand here is Jerry's retired.

01:40:43.420 I mean, if after you leave the blaze, you get accused.

01:40:48.480 Let's use Jeffy as an example.

01:40:49.200 Okay, if after Jeffy leaves, he gets accused of child molestation.

01:40:55.880 What is Glenn Beck's incentive to cover that up?

01:41:00.400 I mean, there's none.

01:41:01.600 Right.

01:41:02.180 It doesn't exist.

01:41:03.760 By the way, Paterno and Sandusky weren't even close.

01:41:06.940 They didn't like each other.

01:41:07.840 Wait, wait, wait.

01:41:08.220 There would be an incentive for me to cover that up.

01:41:10.760 How?

01:41:11.040 Because if I'm in the business of attracting young adults to come or, you know, young kids

01:41:17.980 to come to my studios.

01:41:19.200 But he's not with you anymore.

01:41:20.320 I know.

01:41:21.160 But still.

01:41:22.780 Do I not have enough common sense to keep a child molester out?

01:41:26.520 So you would rather get accused of covering up for a child molester than having an ex-employee

01:41:31.600 turn out to be a child molester?

01:41:33.220 No, I just want it to go away.

01:41:35.000 You'd want to distance yourself immediately.

01:41:35.800 I just want it to go away.

01:41:37.580 It's not a problem anymore.

01:41:39.260 Just make it go away.

01:41:40.340 Well, it's inconsistent with 61 years of Joe Paterno's life.

01:41:43.920 61 years.

01:41:45.420 And it's also important to point out that just before this had happened, this is important

01:41:49.840 for context.

01:41:50.480 I realize context is dead.

01:41:52.040 But just before the McQueary episode happens, there was a quarterback by the name of Rashard

01:41:56.920 Casey at Penn State who was accused of beating up a police officer.

01:42:00.640 The media tortured Paterno for sticking by Rashard Casey because they thought, oh, he's

01:42:06.180 he's lost his way.

01:42:07.500 His morals are gone.

01:42:08.480 He's he's sticking by this guilty quarterback who beat up a police officer.

01:42:12.940 Turned out Casey was innocent and got a seven figure settlement from the police in New Jersey

01:42:17.640 for a story that was made up about him.

01:42:19.520 And Paterno was right to stand by him.

01:42:21.360 So, of course, that was reported everywhere.

01:42:23.280 No, but so then this happens literally right before this.

01:42:27.760 So Paterno has a history of not throwing people under the bus if there's no evidence

01:42:31.900 that they're guilty.

01:42:32.620 And I'm convinced because I know that Joe Paterno's son, Jay Paterno, who was an assistant

01:42:37.100 coach at the time and who doesn't have the guts to say it publicly, but he told me privately,

01:42:41.900 I'm positive that he knows that Jerry is innocent.

01:42:45.520 Unfortunately, he doesn't run the show within the family because the other brother, Scott

01:42:49.020 Paterno, was Joe's lawyer at the time.

01:42:51.320 And Scott has his head up his butt and and has a huge investment in Sandusky's guilt because

01:42:58.020 he got duped that that that son got duped at the beginning of this story.

01:43:03.340 And if and if he's wrong, it's all his fault because he gave bad advice about how to handle

01:43:09.680 this.

01:43:10.360 That's that's the germ of how this whole thing starts.

01:43:13.660 They get duped into thinking it's real.

01:43:15.940 People forget Jerry hadn't been around the program for 10 years.

01:43:20.100 Scott Paterno didn't know Jerry Sandusky from Glenn Beck.

01:43:23.960 I mean, so, in fact, you probably know he's a conservative, so he probably knew you a lot

01:43:27.960 better than you know, Jerry Sandusky.

01:43:30.380 And so he's going on hearsay and thinking, oh, my gosh, this is horrible.

01:43:34.160 We need we need to protect ourselves from this.

01:43:36.340 Get away from it as far as possible.

01:43:38.500 Well, it was all nothing.

01:43:40.320 There was nothing.

01:43:41.280 What do you expect to happen now?

01:43:42.720 You've spent a lot of time, a lot of money.

01:43:45.080 Well, this Graham Spanier is on trial next week, which is why I'm one of the major reasons

01:43:49.120 why I'm here this week.

01:43:50.060 I think he's a very good man who is on trial for his freedom and he's innocent.

01:43:56.720 I'm I'm a hundred ten percent positive that he's innocent.

01:44:01.420 And we'll see whether or not a jury who the pool jury pool was very polluted in this incredibly

01:44:07.820 polluted in this case.

01:44:09.080 I believe the judge is biased.

01:44:10.780 I know the media is 100 percent biased.

01:44:13.040 It'll be an interesting test of the judicial system.

01:44:15.000 I suspect he might get convicted on pure emotion for conspiracy and child endangerment.

01:44:21.980 And there is no case.

01:44:23.380 There's no evidence.

01:44:24.140 There's no logic to it.

01:44:25.560 But here's why if the first five and a half years of the story are any indication, Glenn,

01:44:30.220 I think there's not been one good thing that's happened in this whole situation, except for

01:44:34.900 Joe Paterno getting his win record back and the sanctions against Penn State being removed

01:44:39.980 sooner than they were planned on being removed because they were absurd to begin with.

01:44:43.360 I'm I'm a cynic to begin with, but I am very pessimistic.

01:44:47.440 I think Jerry Sandusky is going to die in prison, an innocent man and a horrendous, horrible

01:44:51.840 death.

01:44:52.640 And and and I and I think that this the real story of this case is going to be lost forever

01:44:57.940 because the news media is broken, completely, totally broken.

01:45:03.700 And this case shows it in so many different ways because we don't have enough time for this

01:45:08.680 case.

01:45:08.840 Who else is going to put three hours like you guys have or almost three hours into this

01:45:13.660 case?

01:45:14.020 And that's what it takes to get to the bottom of this.

01:45:16.280 In fact, we've only hit the tip of the iceberg.

01:45:18.520 Right.

01:45:18.780 And so we don't live in a world where context and details can matter.

01:45:23.620 It's emotion.

01:45:24.780 It's headlines.

01:45:25.760 This case is all about headlines.

01:45:27.700 Headlines are all that matter now.

01:45:30.580 And unfortunately, I don't want to live in a world where only headlines matter, especially

01:45:35.120 when the headline writers are morons who have an agenda.

01:45:38.680 But that's the world we're living in.

01:45:40.580 And that's, by the way, how we got Donald Trump as president.

01:45:43.060 I mean, it really is.

01:45:45.040 It's all connected.

01:45:45.580 It had to come back to this.

01:45:46.680 Well, you're also saying that the headlines for the sun are wrong, right?

01:45:50.660 I mean, kind of.

01:45:52.180 Yes.

01:45:52.900 Those who Jeff Sandusky, one of the adopted sons, was recently charged with a crime that

01:45:58.140 sounds a lot like it sure does.

01:46:00.180 What Jerry was accused of.

01:46:01.200 It sounds like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

01:46:03.640 Well, first of all, he's adopted.

01:46:04.860 But second of all, that's not what he's accused of.

01:46:07.180 I don't know if he's innocent or guilty, but he's accused of something completely different.

01:46:11.720 He's accused of sending text messages to the teenage daughters of his longtime girlfriend.

01:46:18.420 Yet the headlines are Sandusky's son charged with child sex abuse.

01:46:24.120 Well, what he did, if it's true, I don't.

01:46:27.620 I think it's horrible.

01:46:28.520 And I hope he gets convicted.

01:46:29.680 It's completely irrelevant to this case.

01:46:31.180 It happened when Jerry was in a maximum security prison.

01:46:33.940 So how Jerry would be remotely involved in this, I don't know.

01:46:37.700 But the important part about Jeff Sandusky, you need to know, is Jeff's as positive as

01:46:41.180 anybody that Jerry is innocent.

01:46:42.940 In fact, he has tattooed on his arm after the scandal breaks, after Jerry's convicted,

01:46:48.640 Sandusky forever.

01:46:49.800 Because it's a message to his former adopted brother, Matt, who temporarily changed his

01:46:56.180 name after becoming a Jerry accuser from Matt Sandusky to Matt Davidson until he realized,

01:47:01.680 guess what?

01:47:02.020 The media doesn't care about Matt Davidson.

01:47:04.200 So I'm going back to Matt Sandusky because I want to be a celebrity sex abuse victim.

01:47:08.560 And so he gets tattooed.

01:47:10.320 He gets tattooed Sandusky forever.

01:47:13.860 That, to me, is the most important thing you need to know about Jeff Sandusky relevant to

01:47:17.820 this particular case.

01:47:19.120 I will tell you this.

01:47:20.760 You've made some amazing statements.

01:47:25.060 Okay.

01:47:27.440 That's an understatement.

01:47:28.780 I mean, if you're right, this is a massive injustice and it shows how sick our society is being

01:47:44.640 motivated by money and pop entertainment and how sick our judicial system really is.

01:47:54.260 Real important last point, though.

01:47:55.460 People, people, a lot of the people in this story thought they were doing the right thing.

01:48:00.900 A lot of the accusers thought they were helping put a monster away.

01:48:05.920 And oh, by the way, it's going to help me, too.

01:48:08.180 See, once everyone thinks there's a Loch Ness monster, then everyone's got to get the Loch Ness

01:48:13.840 monster.

01:48:15.000 That's when people become really dangerous.

01:48:17.560 When they, not when they know what they're doing is corrupt, when they mistakenly think what

01:48:21.900 they're doing is just, and the same thing happened to the prosecutors, the same thing happened

01:48:26.200 to the media.

01:48:27.080 Everyone thinks they're fighting the monster.

01:48:29.960 That's why you said when the four that testify, the mother calls and says, this thing is going

01:48:36.340 to be, this is going to be thrown out if they don't get more victims.

01:48:40.340 Right.

01:48:40.600 And that's when three others, all friends, stand up because they all believe.

01:48:47.000 Well, they've been coerced by investigators.

01:48:49.200 In fact, there was audio recordings proving this, that they thought they were mistaken.

01:48:53.680 They thought they had turned the recorder off.

01:48:55.780 This was played in trial.

01:48:57.040 They thought they had turned the recorder off, but it was actually on.

01:48:59.880 And the investigators are blatantly lying to the victim to get him to say what they want.

01:49:05.600 Blatantly.

01:49:06.420 In what way?

01:49:07.060 They were telling him things that weren't true.

01:49:09.380 In fact, the lawyer said, hey, can we tell him that we have all these other accusers that

01:49:12.820 didn't exist at that time so we can get him to talk?

01:49:15.060 And they say, oh, sure, we do this all the time.

01:49:16.920 This is all on tape.

01:49:18.300 They thought the recorder was off.

01:49:20.740 The media played it in like paragraph six and, oh, isn't this funny that they thought

01:49:24.320 the recording was off?

01:49:25.580 I mean, that's how crazy this case is.

01:49:28.100 Wow.

01:49:28.520 Okay.

01:49:29.040 Thank you very much, John.

01:49:30.220 Appreciate it.

01:49:30.800 Thank you, guys.

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01:51:29.320 Non-fat milk solids.

01:51:30.660 No, I don't want any non-fat milk solids.

01:51:32.660 I don't know what a non-fat milk solid is.

01:51:35.500 That doesn't make it bad.

01:51:36.500 Is that like a piece of the udder?

01:51:38.480 What is that?

01:51:40.100 So if it's in with the shake...

01:51:41.840 That's like you're throwing a little bit of hoof with it.

01:51:43.940 Yeah, I don't even know.

01:51:44.680 A little bit of hoof.

01:51:44.980 I don't know if you've noticed this, but no part of the milk is solid ever.

01:51:49.840 What it turns into cheese it is, right?

01:51:52.000 There's a process that...

01:51:53.000 I don't want cheese in my milkshakes either.

01:51:55.100 If it's a cheesecake shake, a strawberry cheesecake shake...

01:51:59.100 Oh my gosh, that's what I'm talking about.

01:52:00.400 Okay, now wait a minute.

01:52:01.820 Hang on just a second.

01:52:02.980 Cheesecake shake?

01:52:03.960 I mean, bad.

01:52:04.520 I need it, but this isn't bad.

01:52:05.940 And bad, but this is Mercury.

The Glenn Beck Program - March 16, 2017

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