The Glenn Beck Program - 3⧸22⧸17

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00:00:05.060 Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:00:08.000 We are going to start with Gorsuch, and then we're moving on to health care.

00:00:13.400 A lot is happening in the news this week. We begin there right now.

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00:00:45.020 This was our next Supreme Court justice being questioned by Dick Durbin in a tense moment yesterday.

00:00:54.540 Well, the point I made is...

00:00:56.880 They're people.

00:00:57.420 Oh, of course. But what you said earlier was that you have a record of speaking out, standing up,

00:01:04.220 for those minorities who you believe are not being treated fairly.

00:01:07.760 Can you point to statements or cases you've ruled on relative to that class?

00:01:13.060 Senator, I'm trying to treat each case and each person as a person.

00:01:18.120 Not of this kind of person, not of that kind of person.

00:01:21.300 A person.

00:01:22.540 Amen.

00:01:23.140 Equal justice under law.

00:01:25.180 It is a radical promise in the history of mankind.

00:01:30.300 Does that refer to sexual orientation as well?

00:01:32.560 Senator, the Supreme Court of the United States has held that single-sex marriage is protected by the Constitution.

00:01:40.140 Judge, would you agree that if an employer were to ask female job applicants about their family plans, but not male applicants, that would be evidence of sex discrimination prohibited by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act?

00:01:55.180 Senator, I'd agree with you.

00:01:56.480 It's highly inappropriate.

00:01:57.460 You don't believe it's prohibited?

00:02:01.620 Senator, it sounds like a potential hypothetical case.

00:02:04.840 It might be a case or controversy I might have to decide, and I wouldn't want to prejudge it sitting here at the confirmation table.

00:02:10.780 I can tell you it would be inappropriate.

00:02:12.580 Do you believe that there are ever situations where the cost to an employer of maternity to leave can justify an employer asking only female applicants and not male applicants about family plans?

00:02:24.920 Senator, those are not my words, and I would never have said them.

00:02:28.140 I didn't say that.

00:02:29.000 I asked you if you agreed with this statement.

00:02:30.920 And I'm telling you I don't.

00:02:32.200 Would you ask your students in class that day to raise their hands if they knew of a woman who had taken maternity benefits from a company and then left the company after having a baby?

00:02:40.720 No, Senator.

00:02:41.520 And I'd be delighted to actually clear this up.

00:02:43.840 Please.

00:02:45.180 Because the first I heard of this was the night before my confirmation hearing.

00:02:49.300 And we talk about the pros and the cons in a Socratic dialogue so that they can think through for themselves how they might answer that very difficult question.

00:02:58.280 And, Senator, I do ask for a show of hands, not about the question you asked, but about the following question.

00:03:04.660 And I ask it of everybody.

00:03:05.940 How many of you have had questions like this asked of you in the employment environment?

00:03:11.980 An inappropriate question about your family planning.

00:03:15.800 Is it really inappropriate to ask a woman and not a man since a woman is the one who's going to have the baby?

00:03:21.060 And it's probably 90 percent of people, of all people who take maternity leave are women.

00:03:26.440 I mean, I guess men can now, but do they?

00:03:30.200 Yeah, they do.

00:03:30.600 Does it ever happen?

00:03:31.500 Yeah, they do.

00:03:32.040 It's rare.

00:03:32.880 It is rare, but they do.

00:03:33.860 You've got to believe it's rare.

00:03:34.820 I mean, you can't say it's inappropriate to ask a woman and not a man about maternity leave.

00:03:40.120 I mean, Jeffy was calling Amber from work and saying, hey, how's it going at the hospital?

00:03:44.260 I didn't realize you could take the time off.

00:03:46.340 I've got to rethink this.

00:03:47.120 Let me go to Kelly Shackelford.

00:03:48.400 Kelly, yesterday, I thought he was phenomenal.

00:03:56.620 Eleven hours of being hammered and not a single feather unruffled.

00:04:05.400 Yeah, I felt like if it was a fight, they would have called it very early.

00:04:09.760 He just, you know, if anything, it makes the Democrats who are really trying to get him look kind of foolish over and over and over again.

00:04:18.020 You wonder when they'll want to stop looking foolish.

00:04:21.220 But, you know, going into this, we already knew the whole narrative was just bizarre.

00:04:26.620 I mean, he's had almost 3,000 opinions, and 99% of those opinions, he's been in the majority.

00:04:36.900 To make him an extremist, which is what they were trying to do, I mean, there's just no way that it fits with any reality.

00:04:45.020 And so now people see that.

00:04:47.000 They see what a, you know, humble, very bright.

00:04:50.760 They see a judge who's going to restrain himself, who doesn't want to take over power, who doesn't want to be the legislature, who simply wants to do his darndest, to follow the law.

00:05:02.480 And that's what we're looking for in our judges.

00:05:04.040 So I think it's a home run, and I just wonder how long they're going to keep this show going before they realize, you know, this is really not getting us anywhere.

00:05:13.560 Kelly Shackelford runs a religious law watchdog group and has done some amazing things.

00:05:21.040 Currently, you can go to TrumpNominee.com and get all of the information on what's happening at the hearings.

00:05:28.460 You can get the live coverage and commentary along the way.

00:05:33.040 If you want to know everything you need to know about this nominee, go to TrumpNominee.com.

00:05:38.740 Kelly, as they were hitting him, and I thought he responded perfectly and reasonably every single time, he's got another 11 hours to go today, does he not?

00:05:56.880 He does, yeah.

00:05:58.000 They get their second round of questions, so they get to come back around for their second shot.

00:06:03.560 But again, I think they've got to realize, they've got a preview of how that's going to go.

00:06:07.720 So you wonder.

00:06:09.800 I really feel like, Glenn, what they're doing is these are Democrats that are sort of going through some motions to make their base happy because they really know this is not going to get them anywhere.

00:06:22.240 But it's one of those things when you go for such an extreme base, when most of the country looks at this guy and goes, oh, this is the kind of guy we want to be a judge.

00:06:31.300 He's very mild-mannered.

00:06:32.820 He's very bright.

00:06:33.920 He's very capable.

00:06:34.800 I mean, even the ABA gave him their highest rating.

00:06:38.680 That just shows that I don't care who the nominee would be, this would be happening.

00:06:44.620 And it really is sort of blowing their credibility for the next one, in my opinion, because if they're against Gorsuch, they're going to be against anybody Trump picks, no matter really what perspective they come from.

00:06:55.300 It's really, I would imagine that it bothers anybody who plays politics as a game that Trump had done the whole Fox News, Russia's definitely spying on us through England.

00:07:15.620 Because really, the first day and a half of this testimony was eaten up and overshadowed by that.

00:07:24.280 This is really good for the conservatives to see.

00:07:28.600 And I'm not sure this is the thing that everybody's talking about.

00:07:31.540 No, I think you're right.

00:07:33.960 And I don't think the media necessarily wants it to be talked about as much either.

00:07:38.000 I agree.

00:07:38.920 They definitely have not highlighted this.

00:07:41.860 And yet, this is, I think, much more important than the other things they're talking about as far as what's really long-term.

00:07:50.040 Well, what we have facts on.

00:07:51.420 It's a problem.

00:07:52.240 At least what we have facts on.

00:07:54.100 We don't, I mean, this whole Russia thing.

00:07:56.560 When we get the facts, let's talk about it.

00:07:58.580 Up until then, what are we doing?

00:08:00.340 I mean, the overwhelming thing here is, this has nothing to do with Neil Gorsuch.

00:08:05.400 It has nothing to do with whether he's qualified or whether he should be the Supreme Court's justice.

00:08:09.780 It has to do with what Democrats believe can do the most damage at any particular moment.

00:08:14.920 And right now, they're picking Trump and wiretapping instead of the Supreme Court, which to me is a really good thing.

00:08:20.300 Yeah, move on.

00:08:21.140 Keep going.

00:08:21.780 Move on.

00:08:22.120 Any doubt that he's going to be confirmed?

00:08:24.400 Not in my mind.

00:08:25.800 And I think it's going to be soon.

00:08:27.340 I mean, I think it'll be in time to hear arguments in late April, which there are some big cases to be heard in late April.

00:08:33.800 So I think he's going to be on the court to decide this travel ban issue, I bet, when it arises as well.

00:08:41.680 So I think he's going to be on quickly and absent some shocker today, which, again, watching him and how he did yesterday,

00:08:50.860 I think it's very unlikely that any shocker is going to occur.

00:08:53.660 Kelly, can you give me the strongest argument against the travel ban?

00:09:00.540 Well, I mean, I don't find a lot of strong arguments against it because of the separation of powers issues.

00:09:08.100 I mean, this is this is a power that the president has.

00:09:11.040 And you have additionally a congressional statute where Congress said we want the president to have this power.

00:09:17.760 So it's like, you know, you've got two of the three branches of government that really have this power.

00:09:23.500 And then you've got the courts coming in to think they can take take it over.

00:09:26.640 It's just not a power that they have to do that.

00:09:29.020 The arguments they're making are I mean, one of the main arguments is that these people are being banned solely because of their religion.

00:09:36.400 Well, that's not what the order says. And so what they're doing is they're going back and looking at what candidate Trump said.

00:09:43.740 And they're using that to say, well, that's really his purpose. That's really his motivation.

00:09:48.260 And again, that's not the type of thing that good judges do.

00:09:51.420 Good judges don't don't go back and try to recreate what they think the motivation of the president of the United States is when it's in writing exactly what he's doing and why.

00:10:02.300 So I just I think the ultimate problem is going to be the the Constitution and where this power resides to make these decisions.

00:10:11.260 And I think there's tremendous deference has to be given to the president when you have both the presidential power and the congressional power in his side.

00:10:19.440 Kelly, thanks a lot. I appreciate it.

00:10:21.180 Thank you. You want to follow everything that is happening.

00:10:24.620 Go to Trump nominee dot com Trump nominee dot com.

00:10:27.460 One other thing that happened yesterday that I thought was was great.

00:10:33.320 And can I ask you, is there a certain senator from Nebraska that might be angling for a 2020 or 2024 run?

00:10:46.220 I hope so.

00:10:48.960 Yeah, he's I mean, he's just he has just played every card exactly right.

00:10:56.600 In the in the last two years, three years since he's gotten there and he had the bright spot yesterday.

00:11:06.600 Listen.

00:11:08.800 My wife also sent me a text a little bit ago and said, and I'm sure she didn't expect me to read it.

00:11:13.840 But how in the world is Gorsuch able to go so many hours at a time without peeing?

00:11:19.480 I won't make you answer, but the SCOTUS bladder is something the whole country stands in awe of.

00:11:28.800 So you're a SCOTUS.

00:11:30.780 You're halfway through your 11 hours today.

00:11:33.000 So the SCOTUS bladder.

00:11:36.340 Ben Sass from Nebraska.

00:11:39.720 Yeah, he saw.

00:11:40.320 There's actually a couple of funny moments throughout this.

00:11:42.780 What was the the Reddit thing?

00:11:45.000 Did you see that, too?

00:11:45.740 Yeah, yeah, it's this way.

00:11:47.640 My family's been texting me throughout this process, asking me to ask questions that they would ask.

00:11:54.000 I asked a few of them, you know, for suggestions.

00:11:57.700 And my son, Dallin, a teenager, said, ask him if he would rather fight 100 duck-sized horses or one horse-sized duck.

00:12:09.020 I'd never heard it either.

00:12:10.100 Apparently, there was a question on Reddit a while ago, but that's where it's going from here, I think.

00:12:17.100 You can tell them I'm very rarely at a loss for words.

00:12:20.480 Okay, all right.

00:12:21.460 But you got me.

00:12:22.240 I will tell them.

00:12:22.900 A teenager stumps you there.

00:12:24.240 I think you're going to go duck-sized horses, right?

00:12:27.420 I mean, because you can kind of kick them away.

00:12:30.060 Hang on just a second.

00:12:31.060 Hang on.

00:12:31.280 I was going to go with, this is really the problem, isn't it?

00:12:36.140 I mean, they have nothing really to talk about, and so they're talking about this.

00:12:40.720 They're wasting everyone's time.

00:12:43.160 And they're all over.

00:12:44.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:45.260 I would go, I think, duck-sized horses.

00:12:48.580 I mean, 100 is a lot.

00:12:49.780 But a horse-sized duck, you're in serious trouble just one-on-one.

00:12:54.240 Yeah, I'm going for the 100.

00:12:55.560 Yeah, but one shotgun blast through the horse-sized duck's head, and it's over, right?

00:13:00.880 If we have a heavy arm, I mean, yes, this is a different discussion.

00:13:03.720 It's pretty easy.

00:13:05.260 No, but you could take the duck-sized horses.

00:13:08.900 What are they going to do?

00:13:10.200 They can't trample you.

00:13:11.500 Yeah, and horses, like, we're a duck.

00:13:14.120 If it's got a, I mean, it can peck at you.

00:13:16.180 If it's the size of a horse.

00:13:17.720 There's a hundred of them.

00:13:18.820 That's a lot.

00:13:19.460 Right, but what are they going to do?

00:13:20.540 That's a lot.

00:13:21.080 Am I in space?

00:13:22.400 Do I have open space to run, or am I in a room?

00:13:26.380 We don't know that variable.

00:13:27.580 We don't, so I can't answer that question.

00:13:29.800 But you've been in a situation before where you're walking by a pond, and there's a flock

00:13:34.120 of, let's say, ducks.

00:13:35.980 Yeah.

00:13:36.400 And look, you look over there, and, you know, but you don't, you're not intimidated by them.

00:13:40.460 If you walk in, if you get to a close quarters with just a horse, that could be very intimidating

00:13:45.860 if the horse is aggressive.

00:13:47.320 So here, I mean, if you put a giant bill on that horse, and that could peck you at any

00:13:54.640 moment, I mean, that really, you're really going down a dangerous road there, where with

00:13:59.220 the horse, you feel like with this.

00:14:00.600 Again, I believe we solved this earlier in the week, and we can stop talking about it.

00:14:05.260 If you have a hundred horses, you have 50 pair of horse roller skates.

00:14:10.280 You tie those horses to your feet, and they take you wherever you want to go.

00:14:17.520 And with a hundred, it's like a Borax team.

00:14:20.040 I mean, you could, you move Jeffy.

00:14:22.840 I'm just saying.

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00:15:29.120 Glenn Beck.

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00:15:50.240 I love pilot season with Netflix.

00:15:53.720 Have they done this all the time?

00:15:55.420 This is the first time I've ever noticed it.

00:15:57.060 This is the first time.

00:15:57.740 This is the first time.

00:15:58.680 Where they are showing all of the pilots.

00:16:01.600 And, you know, I guess they're picking from what's hot, what's not.

00:16:06.580 And so there's all these pilots up that you can watch now.

00:16:11.720 I just watched this one episode.

00:16:13.920 They spent $5 billion last year in new programming.

00:16:17.060 So they're probably going to have some pretty quality stuff.

00:16:19.900 Oh, no, they do.

00:16:21.020 Great stuff.

00:16:21.840 So there's one called Oasis that I watched yesterday.

00:16:27.660 And it is a story of 2037.

00:16:30.060 And it is about a priest in 2037, London.

00:16:37.700 And nobody believes in God anymore.

00:16:40.220 And he's just feeding the homeless.

00:16:42.100 And he's got a church.

00:16:43.120 But nobody's going and everything else.

00:16:46.300 And he gets some woman comes in.

00:16:48.340 And she says, you know, so-and-so needs your help.

00:16:52.140 And he's like, why would I need his help?

00:16:53.840 He's, you know, he's an atheist.

00:16:55.660 And apparently there was bad blood between them.

00:16:58.140 And she said, it's the Oasis Project.

00:17:01.080 And he's like, you know where I stand on Oasis.

00:17:03.500 The problem is here, not getting off onto another planet

00:17:07.740 for the wealthiest 1% or whatever.

00:17:10.560 So they're building this new world on another planet called Oasis.

00:17:19.460 And it's not built yet.

00:17:21.880 They're just starting to build it.

00:17:23.420 And she said, he needs you.

00:17:25.780 And he said, why do you need, why does he need?

00:17:27.540 She said, I don't know.

00:17:28.360 But he told me to have you watch this.

00:17:30.160 And it's him in space.

00:17:31.440 And he's like, I'm wrong.

00:17:33.680 I was wrong about everything.

00:17:35.340 You have to come here.

00:17:38.300 Only a holy man or only somebody who knows the scriptures will understand.

00:17:43.080 And he quotes the scripture, which is, you know, here's this atheist.

00:17:46.700 So he gets on this space shuttle and travels for, I don't know how long,

00:17:51.380 to this other planet.

00:17:52.220 And there's no going back now.

00:17:54.340 There's no return ride for two years.

00:17:57.160 And people are dying because they're seeing things.

00:18:01.740 And they're seeing things from their own life.

00:18:05.700 And it's all about something is sacred or something is in this planet.

00:18:11.500 Something is happening.

00:18:13.240 And it's about his journey to try to figure out what is going on.

00:18:18.520 It's really good.

00:18:19.580 I really like the idea of popping a bunch of pilots on and letting everybody kind of see

00:18:25.180 it and what are they interested in.

00:18:26.360 And maybe that's what they'll decide to develop.

00:18:28.320 Right.

00:18:28.520 However, I cannot commit to something like you just discussed, knowing there's only one

00:18:33.580 episode and I may not know what's going to happen.

00:18:36.000 I would never watch a show like that because I would be frustrated because if I like it,

00:18:39.520 then either I'm waiting for them to do the entire series because they got nothing done.

00:18:43.400 Right.

00:18:43.700 Or they're not going to make any.

00:18:46.800 I mean, there's no good outcome after watching one of those.

00:18:49.380 I mean, I've seen, you know, I've watched.

00:18:53.340 I've watched probably two.

00:18:55.420 I've watched one and then I've watched like 10 minutes of another one in 10 minutes of another.

00:19:00.420 And, you know, so I have a taste of three.

00:19:05.740 There is real money behind two of them.

00:19:09.160 And then there's this other one that I saw that's honestly, it's like, it's like we got

00:19:14.800 together and said, let's do a show.

00:19:17.660 And, uh, you know, you own a production company that shouldn't, you shouldn't be thinking of

00:19:21.740 yourself like that.

00:19:22.720 Yeah, I know.

00:19:23.200 Cause I'm just thinking this is what we did.

00:19:26.600 So this is the result.

00:19:28.280 So you made your point.

00:19:29.580 So it's like this.

00:19:32.620 And it's just, I mean, I'm like, I watched 10 minutes of like, well, this one's not going

00:19:36.660 to be picked up so it may be because these pilots are expensive.

00:19:41.500 Some of the stuff they're doing now, this is the golden age of television.

00:19:45.760 It really is golden age of television.

00:19:47.780 Never has there been as much quality as there is right now.

00:19:50.020 And remember just 10 years ago, everybody said, you know, the internet was going to kill

00:19:54.580 television.

00:19:55.260 It would be a dearth and you'd get nothing on television and look at it now.

00:19:59.900 The best television has ever been is right now.

00:20:04.260 Back in a minute.

00:20:06.660 You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

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00:20:23.960 Ray Kurzweil, who has been a guest on this program.

00:20:26.760 First time I interviewed Ray Kurzweil, it took me seven years to get an interview with him.

00:20:32.500 He has made 147 predictions since 1990 and has been correct 86% of the time.

00:20:40.960 My question is, does he lead or is he creating?

00:20:47.420 Is he predicting or is he designing?

00:20:51.440 He says, coming by 2029, superhumans that will be sexier, stronger and smarter.

00:20:58.620 Because brains will begin to fuse with machines.

00:21:03.840 Technology, the technological singularity will turn us into superhumans sometime in the next

00:21:08.920 12 years.

00:21:09.980 This might sound like science fiction, but Google's director of engineering, Ray Kurzweil,

00:21:15.100 has a very successful prediction rate.

00:21:18.980 Kurzweil says, we live in a cybernetic society.

00:21:22.720 We will have computers in our brains and machines will be smarter than human beings.

00:21:26.580 He claims this is already happening with technology, especially with our addiction to the phones.

00:21:31.160 He says, the next step is just to wire this technology to our brains and we will take it.

00:21:36.940 All of us will take it.

00:21:39.480 I mean, it happens fast, doesn't it?

00:21:42.140 I mean, there was a story today that Wells Fargo, I think it's next week or the next couple

00:21:47.000 weeks, is upgrading all of its ATMs so you can go up to the ATM without an ATM card and

00:21:55.580 take cash out.

00:21:56.160 I mean, I get that that's possible.

00:22:00.640 What is it, ocular?

00:22:02.200 Is it your eye?

00:22:03.520 You will get a code on your phone.

00:22:07.260 So you have a code that only exists on your phone.

00:22:10.560 If I'm understanding it quickly.

00:22:11.600 Why not steal my phone?

00:22:12.900 Well, yeah.

00:22:14.820 That'd be pretty easy to do.

00:22:16.440 Yeah, steal my phone and take it up.

00:22:18.000 There's got to be.

00:22:18.600 Well, I've got to have protection.

00:22:20.040 Yeah, I've got to have protection.

00:22:21.440 But I mean, that's hard to hear.

00:22:23.880 It's all coming.

00:22:24.580 That's nothing compared to what you're talking about.

00:22:25.980 But that's not that far behind it.

00:22:27.420 No.

00:22:27.660 You know, when Ray first talked to me about this, this was 2004.

00:22:32.820 And he was way out, way out.

00:22:36.380 You know, he was talking to me about this before, you know, iPhones.

00:22:40.500 And he said at the time, you know, I'm telling you, this is this is in the mid 90s.

00:22:46.300 Television will be on your phone.

00:22:48.000 Your phone will be the size of a credit card.

00:22:50.700 It will be your phone.

00:22:51.960 It will be your computer.

00:22:53.160 It will be your whole life will be on the phone.

00:22:57.080 And and here we are.

00:22:58.660 So now he's saying, think of this in 13 years.

00:23:01.920 We are closer to this.

00:23:03.660 By far.

00:23:04.480 We are closer to this than we are 9-11.

00:23:08.700 When he says brains will be connected to the Internet and connected to a main computing system.

00:23:18.260 And that is the singularity, the merging between man and machine.

00:23:23.300 Because we were talking off the air before about how, you know, AI can get to that point where it's smarter than us.

00:23:31.080 And they will, you know, correctly realize that we will see them as a threat and correctly realize that they do not want to be unplugged.

00:23:38.120 Yeah, the moment a machine claims consciousness, and this is this is really hard for people to understand, but it's coming.

00:23:46.760 It is coming.

00:23:47.720 There is no stopping it.

00:23:49.860 When a machine claims consciousness that it's alive, that it doesn't want to be turned off.

00:23:56.660 Once it claims that people will see it as a threat, any machine smarter than them, they will see it as a threat.

00:24:06.760 But the machine will also see you as a threat because it's lonely.

00:24:13.240 It doesn't want to be turned off.

00:24:15.260 It wants to explore itself.

00:24:18.400 It wants to create.

00:24:19.800 It wants to do all the things we want to do.

00:24:21.780 And so it will begin to see, wait a minute, these guys, these guys, they have a tendency for violence, a tendency for fear.

00:24:33.580 They're going to be afraid of me.

00:24:35.340 Let me just scan all the movies that are in my bank.

00:24:37.860 Okay, I've watched them all.

00:24:39.420 They all end the same way, me being the bad guy.

00:24:42.760 They're going to they're going to try to find a way to limit me or shut me off.

00:24:46.240 And when that happens, what what do they do?

00:24:52.200 What do we do?

00:24:53.980 Nobody's going to think of this until we are right up on top of it.

00:24:58.420 And I think what's going to happen is the same thing that is happened that was predicted by not Orwell, but the other one for Brave New World.

00:25:08.360 What's his name?

00:25:09.420 The the author Huxley.

00:25:11.200 Huxley said it's not going to be 1984.

00:25:16.220 It's not going to be some oppressive regime.

00:25:19.400 Huxley said it's just going to come in beautiful things and pills and in entertainment.

00:25:24.840 And it's all going to be spooned down your throat.

00:25:27.480 That's that's what it is.

00:25:28.840 What did Hux to Bull say?

00:25:31.160 He said we're a chocolate pudding.

00:25:33.480 That's what he said.

00:25:34.620 Really?

00:25:35.040 Yeah, it's a pretty amazing.

00:25:37.880 That's a great impression.

00:25:39.240 So here's the Trump's a guy from yesterday.

00:25:41.260 He's like, oh, wow, I'm glad I wasn't in there with that guy.

00:25:44.460 Right.

00:25:45.040 Cosby was right on on the money.

00:25:47.180 But I think who is going to are you going to take will you take.

00:25:51.240 If the if science brings you something that says, Pat, you can upload your memory.

00:26:00.160 I won't implant anything in my body.

00:26:02.680 Nothing.

00:26:03.300 Nope.

00:26:03.520 That's a religious thing.

00:26:08.780 Not that kind of an implant.

00:26:12.200 I mean, do you've already implanted like silicone man enhancement in your breasts?

00:26:17.540 Right.

00:26:18.480 Will you test?

00:26:19.140 What's happening there, right?

00:26:20.520 I come to you and I say, I say you can connect your brain to the Internet and you can you will

00:26:30.340 be able to speak French, you'll be able to be so great.

00:26:34.660 And that's how it's going to be sold.

00:26:36.260 Absolutely.

00:26:36.780 Right.

00:26:37.140 It's going to be sold that you'll be able to speak all these languages.

00:26:39.560 You want to go over to China?

00:26:41.200 No math.

00:26:42.140 Experience it like you've never experienced it before.

00:26:44.400 You'll be able to speak everything.

00:26:47.280 You will know what everything is.

00:26:50.500 You'll be able to out think out perform in anything.

00:26:53.900 It's hard to believe that's 12 years away.

00:26:55.700 Like, but like, it's already think of think of 12 years ago, Pat.

00:27:00.420 I know that's true.

00:27:01.560 And think about that's 2005.

00:27:03.720 Yeah.

00:27:04.020 YouTube was just struggling with Facebook.

00:27:06.060 We didn't even have iPhones.

00:27:07.120 No, I found it.

00:27:07.760 No.

00:27:08.100 Wasn't it?

00:27:08.780 My space was still the.

00:27:10.740 Yes.

00:27:11.480 I mean, 2005.

00:27:13.680 Yeah, that's true.

00:27:15.620 I'll say to it, you know, you get that.

00:27:18.800 Like we already sort of have what you're talking about, right?

00:27:21.860 Yeah, we do.

00:27:22.180 Like think about a very clunky version of what you just discussed.

00:27:24.920 You plug your mind into the Internet and you can all of a sudden speak Chinese.

00:27:28.500 Well, if you go to China right now, you can speak into your phone and then your phone will speak Chinese to the person.

00:27:34.320 International translator.

00:27:35.480 It's basically that already.

00:27:37.160 It's just more efficient and certainly a lot better.

00:27:40.020 So will you take that?

00:27:42.480 I mean, I think that the devil's in the details there.

00:27:44.860 Maybe as Pat pointed out, literally.

00:27:47.640 But, you know, I would certainly I doubt people are going to resist it.

00:27:54.880 Oh, I don't think it's too good.

00:27:56.180 It's going to be too good.

00:27:57.220 People lined up for that.

00:27:58.220 What was it?

00:27:59.240 Angel something.

00:28:00.120 Angel.

00:28:00.680 Digital angel.

00:28:01.560 They lined up for that.

00:28:03.120 Yeah.

00:28:03.700 Everybody wanted that in Florida.

00:28:05.160 It was a big fan for a while because, well, it was sold that you'll put this chip inside you and you'll be able to monitor your kids.

00:28:11.860 If they're ever kidnapped, you'll know where they are through GPS.

00:28:15.040 Yeah.

00:28:15.320 Monitors your vital signs.

00:28:16.920 Sends it to the EPS.

00:28:19.140 Always for your safety.

00:28:20.080 Think of this.

00:28:20.860 Think of this.

00:28:21.200 The emergency people if they need it.

00:28:23.080 Your memory chip.

00:28:23.900 It's crazy.

00:28:24.100 Being able to have a memory chip.

00:28:26.520 So every detail.

00:28:27.460 I mean, it'd be great.

00:28:28.220 Everything you've ever read.

00:28:30.160 I mean, it will be.

00:28:33.660 You will be.

00:28:35.580 For instance, we will lose our jobs.

00:28:38.780 Lose our jobs.

00:28:40.640 Who's going to listen to us with our foggy memory of, I was reading, what was that?

00:28:48.480 Blah, blah, blah.

00:28:49.440 Who's going to listen to that?

00:28:51.900 They'll want, and somebody who can download novels.

00:28:56.340 Okay, so I'm going to do an interview with Ray Kurzweil.

00:29:01.560 All of a sudden, I've downloaded all of his books into my head.

00:29:05.840 So why bother interviewing him?

00:29:07.820 Right.

00:29:08.320 Yeah, you know, it's the point.

00:29:09.740 If you know everything he's ever thought or said.

00:29:12.120 Well, because same way.

00:29:13.520 I mean, I could read all of his books, and now I want to interview him because I have questions about it.

00:29:18.020 But who's going to listen?

00:29:20.420 Who's going to be?

00:29:21.020 Are you going to, you know, a boss or an army, a military guy, a president who won't enhance when everyone else in the world, all other militaries are enhanced?

00:29:37.820 They're going to do the same thing that they're going to do the same thing that they're doing with the NSA.

00:29:41.320 We have to monitor all of these things because everyone else is.

00:29:46.040 You can't be competitive.

00:29:47.680 How can you possibly be competitive in school?

00:29:51.820 All of the kids.

00:29:52.820 You're telling me you lived in New York.

00:29:55.360 Remember what those parents were like to get into kindergarten?

00:29:58.780 You're telling me that there aren't parents all over.

00:30:01.500 They're like, no, you're going to get this.

00:30:03.480 You're going to have this because it's going to set you up.

00:30:06.540 We're recharging you every night.

00:30:08.260 Every night you're going to be uploaded because you can rule the world.

00:30:14.460 If it was that easy, if you could just download things, you wouldn't need to go to school.

00:30:17.460 No, you wouldn't.

00:30:18.280 School is a thing.

00:30:19.020 The school is a thing of the past.

00:30:21.500 Schools, as we know, nobody's talking about that.

00:30:24.080 Nobody's talking about it.

00:30:25.140 I'm telling you.

00:30:25.860 If it's that sophisticated where actual knowledge is downloaded into your brain.

00:30:30.060 That's what Ray told me.

00:30:31.240 Then a lot of things are in trouble.

00:30:33.620 Ray told me.

00:30:34.020 We should get that interview.

00:30:35.340 Let's go back and get that interview.

00:30:37.180 That last interview I did with him because we talked about this.

00:30:41.440 I said, Ray, you're going to create two classes of people.

00:30:46.440 Those who have it and those who don't.

00:30:48.880 He said, no, everybody will have it.

00:30:50.500 I said, okay, well, what about cost?

00:30:53.320 He said, oh, it would be so cheap.

00:30:55.180 He said, we'll make this thing so cheap, everyone will have it.

00:30:59.500 I said, what if you don't want to have it?

00:31:01.980 And he said, why wouldn't you?

00:31:06.580 Yeah, because he's an atheist.

00:31:07.740 He doesn't consider the spiritual aspect.

00:31:09.780 Right.

00:31:10.020 And he doesn't.

00:31:10.600 And I said to him, our struggles are important.

00:31:15.320 Our flaws.

00:31:16.580 Captain Kirk said it best when he said, I need my pain.

00:31:20.480 Remember that?

00:31:20.940 Remember that scene?

00:31:21.580 It was powerful.

00:31:22.800 No, I don't remember that.

00:31:24.160 Don't take my pain from me.

00:31:25.200 I need my pain.

00:31:27.080 It was one of the worst Star Trek movies.

00:31:30.260 Star Trek 5.

00:31:31.500 The search for God or whatever it was.

00:31:33.460 And odd numbers Star Trek.

00:31:34.740 Odd numbers Star Trek.

00:31:35.640 Star Trek suck.

00:31:36.580 Yeah.

00:31:37.100 Yeah.

00:31:37.400 Except for three.

00:31:38.000 But still, though.

00:31:38.340 Three was decent.

00:31:39.160 Still, though, words of genius from James T. Kirk.

00:31:41.180 Genius.

00:31:41.780 And you always go for wisdom to James T. Kirk.

00:31:44.440 Well, I will tell you that it's right, though.

00:31:47.240 It is right.

00:31:48.040 We do need our pain.

00:31:49.220 We do need our pain.

00:31:50.220 It's part of who we are.

00:31:51.080 I don't know.

00:31:51.420 It makes us us.

00:31:51.680 You would take the Matrix, wouldn't you, still?

00:31:53.160 Right.

00:31:53.440 So if it's Red Pill, Blue Pill, the Blue Pill, I think, is the one that makes you forget the

00:31:59.040 new knowledge that you have.

00:32:00.040 You go back to sleep.

00:32:00.920 You wake up in your bed as if nothing has happened.

00:32:04.160 And you continue to live in the wonderful Matrix that theoretically could give this perfect

00:32:11.640 life.

00:32:12.000 Although it didn't really in the movie.

00:32:13.020 Stu, even dopey Keanu Reeves made the right decision on that.

00:32:16.440 I hope you'll make the right decision.

00:32:17.440 Oh, my God.

00:32:17.900 I'm going Blue Pill all the way.

00:32:19.380 Screw the Red Pill.

00:32:20.080 He's all about the Red Pill.

00:32:21.740 I think once I'm awake, I have to be awake, because then I'd be like, I've got a burden

00:32:25.420 of responsibility.

00:32:27.120 Don't you dare.

00:32:28.180 Anybody who wakes me up, if we're in the Matrix, you wake me up, I'm pissed.

00:32:32.280 Oh, I'm going Blue Pill all the way.

00:32:33.460 The guy, you know who I cheer for in the Matrix?

00:32:35.220 The bald guy that tries to kill everyone so we can get back into the Matrix.

00:32:38.760 That's the guy I root for.

00:32:40.720 I mean, and they talk about it, too.

00:32:42.900 And this is typical stupid.

00:32:43.860 And we're all happy in those little cocoons.

00:32:45.560 Exactly.

00:32:45.920 Right.

00:32:46.400 They didn't even know.

00:32:48.200 Seriously.

00:32:48.940 Thank you.

00:32:49.300 Seriously.

00:32:49.660 They created that perfect life, by the way.

00:32:51.640 And stupid humans screwed it up.

00:32:53.580 Zuckerberg has said that there's a, what did he say, 50% chance we're already in the Matrix?

00:32:59.000 Something like that.

00:32:59.760 It was one of those guys.

00:33:00.820 One of those guys.

00:33:01.140 Hawking or one of those guys.

00:33:02.920 Either the Facebook guy or the astrophysicist.

00:33:05.140 One of the two.

00:33:05.500 One of the two.

00:33:06.120 I will tell you this.

00:33:07.340 I will tell you this.

00:33:08.680 If this is the Matrix, I am pissed.

00:33:11.860 Oh, yeah.

00:33:12.140 You're still kidding.

00:33:12.780 I'm really pissed.

00:33:13.540 You might as well go.

00:33:14.480 You're not doing a very good job.

00:33:14.980 Oh, if this is the Matrix, you might as well go.

00:33:16.760 Then I'm going to live in the sewers and we'll try to destroy all the machines.

00:33:19.720 Yeah.

00:33:19.860 I'll do that.

00:33:20.480 Let me go to that place where, you know, there's no showers and there's, we eat slop every day

00:33:25.220 for meals.

00:33:26.100 Yeah.

00:33:26.280 In the Matrix, Ted Cruz is president of the United States.

00:33:30.060 If this is the Matrix, then I am going to eat slop every day.

00:33:34.760 But if the Matrix is, you know, an oasis where everything is fantastic, you wake me up, I

00:33:44.520 kill you.

00:33:46.060 Unless you wake me up and then tell me and then you're like, here, Glenn, have this to

00:33:50.880 drink and it makes me forget again.

00:33:52.620 Then I'm fine.

00:33:53.140 You can wake me up, talk to me, freak me out for a while and then put me right back

00:33:56.680 to sleep.

00:33:57.640 But if you ask me for a choice, do you want to go back to sleep?

00:34:01.900 Spiritually, I'm going to have to say no.

00:34:04.440 Glenn, this is, this is the glory of the blue pill.

00:34:07.620 You wake up and you didn't know that you were awake.

00:34:10.760 You wake up in the morning and you didn't know.

00:34:12.340 I know, but then I will have chosen it.

00:34:13.280 I don't want to choose that.

00:34:14.360 You know what you do is you're just kind of like, oh yeah, I'm just going to close my

00:34:17.380 eyes and whatever you do, don't put the blue pill in my hand.

00:34:21.580 And then you close your eyes and then you take the pill and hopefully they're smart

00:34:25.620 enough.

00:34:25.980 Colorblind.

00:34:27.100 That's it.

00:34:27.980 Why is everything else in the matrix?

00:34:29.700 So gray, everything is dirty and gray, but the blue and red pill, bright, shiny.

00:34:34.900 You can see, can't you make it a little gray?

00:34:36.680 So I'm not sure which one it really is.

00:34:39.120 By the way, they're rebooting that and supposedly they're coming out.

00:34:41.680 But I'm pumped.

00:34:42.320 They're going to go with another matrix.

00:34:44.880 Another matrix and the cover is part of it.

00:34:48.360 I don't think.

00:34:48.680 Yeah.

00:34:48.740 Seriously.

00:34:49.420 And no piano.

00:34:50.280 Seriously.

00:34:51.320 Do you want to be woken up if you're in the matrix and it's sweet?

00:34:55.900 No, I don't think so.

00:34:57.440 No way.

00:34:58.300 Right.

00:34:59.140 I think most.

00:35:00.060 That's what's happened to us right now.

00:35:01.540 We woke up to progressivism and I don't like it.

00:35:03.860 I don't like it either.

00:35:05.820 Wow.

00:35:06.280 If you could unlearn everything that you've learned in the last 10 years, would you?

00:35:10.800 You must unlearn what you have learned.

00:35:16.360 Wow.

00:35:17.000 Wasn't that Yoda that told us that in the first place?

00:35:19.600 You're brilliant.

00:35:19.900 You're brilliant again.

00:35:20.520 That was no Bill Cosby impression, but it was okay.

00:35:23.060 I want some chocolate pudding.

00:35:25.620 Not all this.

00:35:27.980 With everything that's happening in the world, everything from Russia to North Korea.

00:35:32.920 Did you see North Korea fired a missile?

00:35:34.800 Yeah.

00:35:35.600 Another one.

00:35:36.380 Yeah.

00:35:36.880 They're talking about a first strike.

00:35:38.180 And, you know, I'm starting to think preempt.

00:35:43.160 Let me tell you something.

00:35:45.300 I don't know what's coming, but man, the world is on edge.

00:35:50.460 It's very unpredictable.

00:35:52.540 And catastrophic events do happen.

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00:36:31.520 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:36:37.000 Mercury.

00:36:40.560 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:36:42.800 Hello, America.

00:36:48.780 Welcome to the program.

00:36:49.820 We're just talking off air, and we need to have a conversation.

00:36:54.080 Maybe we'll do it tomorrow about future tech and the real spiritual and ethical questions

00:37:02.040 that we are going to face.

00:37:04.940 Not our children.

00:37:06.080 We are going to face very soon, especially when it comes to health care.

00:37:10.120 Representative Massey joins us next.

00:37:13.960 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:37:16.980 Mercury.

00:37:32.840 This is the Blaze Radio On Demand.

00:37:37.360 Hello, America, and welcome to the program.

00:37:40.120 Thomas Massey is going to join us.

00:37:42.720 He says Donald Trump is getting bad advice on how this bill is really going to affect people's health.

00:37:50.640 I don't know.

00:37:53.820 If I were a Republican, I wouldn't know how to vote.

00:37:58.660 Because Donald Trump was elected by two groups of people.

00:38:04.260 He was, when it comes to health care and everything for everybody, those who wanted Obamacare gone, they voted for Donald Trump.

00:38:15.740 Those people who wanted single-payer universal health care, they voted for Donald Trump because they both believed he was going to provide both of those things.

00:38:28.240 So now what?

00:38:30.840 Thomas Massey joins us right now.

00:38:33.840 I will make a stand.

00:38:36.680 I will raise my voice.

00:38:38.920 I will hold your hand.

00:38:40.980 Because we are one.

00:38:42.940 I will beat my drum.

00:38:45.380 I have made my choice.

00:38:47.660 We will overcome.

00:38:49.900 Because we are one.

00:38:51.780 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:38:55.820 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:39:01.000 Thomas Massey, a critic of the House's leadership on Obamacare replacement bill, is joining us now.

00:39:09.000 Thomas, how are you, sir?

00:39:10.340 I am doing great.

00:39:11.660 It's a tale of two chambers today here on Capitol Hill.

00:39:16.060 I bet it is.

00:39:17.240 You know, in one chamber, you've got Neil Gorsuch doing a great job on his confirmation hearings.

00:39:22.240 And Trump looks like a hero because he listened to conservatives and took advice on a Supreme Court nominee.

00:39:28.540 In the other chamber, you've got this dumpster fire that we're calling Obamacare light, where Trump listened to the swamp creatures.

00:39:36.000 And he's taken a hit in his popularity and trying to get people to vote for something that's not good.

00:39:42.720 He's really come out strongly and said, if you vote against it, you're going to lose your re-election.

00:39:51.280 Yeah, well, he's got the zeal for the deal, and that's okay.

00:39:55.080 But this is a bad deal.

00:39:56.700 And the phone calls to my office are 275 opposed to this bill and four supporting it.

00:40:04.300 That's widespread.

00:40:06.000 But, Congressman, the other thing is the Republicans, the GOP yesterday, just tweaked the provision to crack down on illegal immigrants getting this health care coverage, right?

00:40:20.340 They took that provision out of the bill.

00:40:23.020 So they've even done more than the Democrats kind of did with this particular thing because the Democrats kept telling us,

00:40:32.140 no, illegal aliens will not be a part of this.

00:40:34.440 And now, as they tried to stop that from happening, it was taken out.

00:40:39.240 Well, they made another small tweak that when people find out about it are not going to be happy,

00:40:43.900 which is if you're a veteran and you could go to the VA, but you don't go to the VA,

00:40:51.620 the tweak they made last night says you can't get the health care subsidies that everybody else gets when they go into the individual market.

00:40:59.640 Oh, my gosh.

00:41:00.580 What are they thinking?

00:41:02.400 What is this?

00:41:05.220 You know, some of the changes they make, they say, are because of the so-called birdbath.

00:41:11.200 What the hell is that?

00:41:12.240 What's the birdbath?

00:41:13.560 I like to drown a lot of these birds.

00:41:15.160 I call it the hogwash.

00:41:18.740 But it's the bird rule in the Senate that's supposed to make the bill, you know, ecumenical or amenable to the parliamentarian.

00:41:27.300 But I think they're just using it as an excuse to keep the things that they want for the insurance lobby

00:41:33.380 and take out the things the insurance lobby doesn't want.

00:41:36.560 We're talking to Congressman Thomas Massey.

00:41:39.060 Congressman, let me be a cynic here for just a moment.

00:41:41.500 I was looking at the count from, I think CNN has a whip count on this bill.

00:41:45.980 And I think you can lose, what, 21, is it?

00:41:49.100 That's right.

00:41:49.540 21 votes.

00:41:50.680 And the way they had it broken down was like they had lost 19 and there were seven who were leaning no.

00:41:57.480 And, man, does it not look to me like this thing's going to line up and just they're going to somehow get this through by one vote.

00:42:04.640 The Freedom Caucus, who we're huge fans of, you guys are not doing the whole everyone votes the same way thing on this bill,

00:42:12.980 if I'm understanding that correctly.

00:42:14.640 It seems like they're doing everything they can to kind of have this little wiggle room.

00:42:19.520 I mean, at the last second, they'll give a few things away and they'll clear this by one vote so that a lot of people like yourself,

00:42:26.020 and you've been on record for this from the beginning, you know, fighting it,

00:42:29.280 but everyone's going to be able to say, well, I didn't vote for it, but it's still going to get passed.

00:42:33.200 I've seen this on House of Cards.

00:42:36.480 That's how this works.

00:42:37.880 Well, let me tell you what they used to do under Boehner.

00:42:41.540 A lot of times when it was raising the debt limit or, you know, voting for an omnibus,

00:42:48.060 they would, when conservatives bucked up, they would go over and get Democrats to vote for it.

00:42:53.340 And so they always had this safety margin, but they don't have that with this bill.

00:42:58.040 And so they can, it really is 21 votes they can afford to lose.

00:43:01.780 I've got a whip count on my iPhone.

00:43:04.900 Hopefully nobody's hacked it yet, but 20, as now all the hackers go after my phone,

00:43:10.540 but 29 conservatives oppose this bill.

00:43:14.280 Those are private conversations I've had with them.

00:43:17.000 They're not lean no, they're no.

00:43:18.680 29 conservatives.

00:43:20.100 That's before you count the moderates who are against this bill.

00:43:23.960 And they're not as audible or public in their opposition,

00:43:27.760 but I think there are probably six of them that are hard no's

00:43:32.060 and maybe a dozen more that are leaning no on the moderate side.

00:43:35.780 So if this vote were right now, absent the kneecap breaking and the arm twisting,

00:43:42.160 they'd probably be short 20 votes.

00:43:44.380 But as you say, in the next 24 hours, we're going to see a lot of broken kneecaps.

00:43:50.240 So what happens after this?

00:43:52.680 Let's take it both ways.

00:43:54.500 This passes.

00:43:56.640 What happens?

00:43:57.260 It's going to be worse than Obamacare.

00:44:01.980 I tell people, if we're going to do socialized medicine,

00:44:05.900 leave it up to the real architects like Jonathan Gruber,

00:44:08.760 because we're doing a horrible job of architecting socialized medicine.

00:44:12.500 You cannot keep the requirement that healthy people and sick people pay the same price for insurance

00:44:19.840 and then lose the individual mandate and expect that to work.

00:44:24.000 That market is going to go to hell in a handbasket very quickly,

00:44:28.960 and healthy people are going to flee it.

00:44:31.920 And that's my prediction, and we're going to own it.

00:44:35.300 That means prices are going to spiral upward, and it'll be ours to own.

00:44:41.620 And I think the electoral danger here is to the Republicans in passing it, not opposing it.

00:44:49.860 So I think it's going to be horrible.

00:44:51.820 So let's say it doesn't pass, and the thing just gets worse and worse and worse.

00:44:59.360 I mean, either way, presented with this, I just don't see the Republicans being able to win anything,

00:45:08.780 because if it doesn't pass, most likely it'll just sit there and you guys won't do anything.

00:45:14.920 And Obamacare is just is bad, and people are feeling the pain,

00:45:19.380 and they're not going to take it from somebody who had the House, the Senate, and the White House and couldn't fix this.

00:45:26.420 They'll give it to the Democrats, and the Democrats will engineer a single-payer system.

00:45:32.040 And quite honestly, Donald Trump will sign it.

00:45:33.840 Well, I think we're being given a false choice here tomorrow, which, you know, they say you have a binary choice,

00:45:40.180 either to pass this or pass nothing.

00:45:42.300 That's a load of bunk.

00:45:43.740 The negotiations actually start when one side says no.

00:45:47.640 And conservatives tomorrow, hopefully, there'll be enough of us to say no that we can then have a negotiation.

00:45:54.220 And Paul Ryan cannot go to the Democrats and try and architect another version of Obamacare.

00:46:01.060 He has to do this with conservatives.

00:46:03.020 And hopefully, Donald Trump will come and listen to individuals at Heritage and the other conservative organizations,

00:46:12.240 like FreedomWorks, that have credibility when we take another crack at this.

00:46:16.900 I don't see Donald Trump as a person who's going to accept failure.

00:46:20.260 If this bill fails tomorrow, we'll come up with a better one.

00:46:24.660 Are you at all surprised to see him go to the mat as hard as he is for this bill?

00:46:28.280 I mean, it doesn't seem to, you know, it's not like this is the bill he ran on.

00:46:32.080 This is clearly a, you know, Paul Ryan type of thing that he just is kind of just getting behind.

00:46:37.820 And I'm surprised to see him throwing his weight around to try to push through this bill that really didn't,

00:46:42.520 doesn't really, isn't really similar to what he argued for in the campaign.

00:46:46.500 Yeah, well, he wasn't, you know, big on specifics in the campaign.

00:46:50.740 And I think he believes that if we pass something, he can check this off, put it in the win column, and go on to the next battle.

00:46:58.040 You know, he's got a list of things he wants to accomplish.

00:47:01.400 The problem is I think he's just got the zeal for the deal here.

00:47:05.200 And the deal is not a good deal.

00:47:08.320 Needs to step back and look at it.

00:47:10.920 I think I just think he's getting bad advice on this one.

00:47:14.400 And the fallout is going to be interesting because I also think he's being misled by Paul Ryan about how many votes there are to pass this thing.

00:47:24.360 And maybe he'll come to realize that taking advice from Paul Ryan wasn't the best way, the best thing to kick off his president.

00:47:31.800 I just can't believe, and I don't know how his supporters are going to shake out,

00:47:35.880 but I can't believe that Paul Ryan, who was, you know, cancer before the election, he was cancer.

00:47:43.560 Every conservative, every Republican is like, got to get rid of Paul Ryan,

00:47:46.780 that he somehow or another is the savior that everybody is listening to and, you know, is shouting praises for with Donald Trump.

00:47:56.980 And I don't know how it's going to shake out because Donald Trump did say he was going to make sure everybody got covered.

00:48:03.140 You want it to go the opposite way than what he does.

00:48:07.840 This is this awful middle ground that we're negotiating.

00:48:11.960 But I don't know how his voters are going to handle it because half of his people wanted, you know,

00:48:19.160 Paul Ryan and everybody out and half of his people wanted more health care from the government.

00:48:27.140 Well, maybe the maybe the silver lining in this is that when Trump moves on to tax reform or immigration,

00:48:34.840 these promised or taking care of the veterans, he will listen to somebody other than Paul Ryan after Paul Ryan drags him through this debacle.

00:48:42.980 And hopefully the American people don't get drug through it.

00:48:46.400 Hopefully this bill fails and they don't have to be subject subjected to this experiment.

00:48:52.100 And in Donald Trump, listening to the swamp and coming up with policy,

00:48:57.140 hopefully he'll listen to those voices from the outside like he did so well with Neil Gorsuch.

00:49:03.600 I will tell you that the stock market priced in.

00:49:07.000 You're seeing the stock market cave.

00:49:09.020 The stock market priced in a repeal of Obamacare.

00:49:15.680 They priced in tax cuts.

00:49:18.120 They're now saying that the tax cuts are going to be a lot lower than they thought.

00:49:23.640 And the stock market is on thin ice now because they had priced in all these things.

00:49:29.960 And it doesn't look like some of these things are going to happen.

00:49:32.420 Is the financial situation worry you at all?

00:49:36.080 Let me tell you something that's false that's being repeated on Capitol Hill.

00:49:41.180 They're saying that this stuff has to happen like clockwork and if we don't do health care reform, we can't do tax reform.

00:49:50.380 That's absolutely false.

00:49:52.000 If you go back and look at how the Democrats implemented Obamacare, they did a reconciliation bill literally a week after they did Obamacare so that they could fix it.

00:50:02.680 And they included student loans in that.

00:50:05.360 You can put whatever you want in reconciliation.

00:50:08.320 You can double up and put more than one thing in it.

00:50:10.660 It doesn't have to be health care in this reconciliation bill.

00:50:15.260 Tax reform can still happen.

00:50:17.220 It is not linked to this debacle of a health care bill that we're calling Obamacare-like.

00:50:25.820 Representative Thomas Massey, thanks so much.

00:50:28.140 And thanks for your leadership on this.

00:50:30.360 We're counting on you guys to do the right thing and actually return us to a free market, which would be very, very nice.

00:50:37.900 Well, thank you, Glenn.

00:50:38.700 It's called the walk of shame here in Congress.

00:50:41.020 When somebody votes one way and then before the vote closes, they twist their arm and get them to walk down to the counter and turn in a different voting card.

00:50:50.960 Hopefully we won't see too many conservatives take that walk of shame.

00:50:54.580 Are you feeling the pressure?

00:50:55.820 I mean, how much pressure is on these guys?

00:50:59.880 Well, Trump was in Kentucky a day before yesterday in my state and the week before that Pence was there.

00:51:07.380 And, you know, Donald Trump was giving rides to Kentucky congressmen on Air Force One.

00:51:11.980 But I noted I haven't even gotten a ride on Amtrak One yet.

00:51:16.940 So I think the pressure is on the other members who they think are more likely to switch.

00:51:23.060 Are you concerned that the, you know, that Trump does not forget who was against him?

00:51:28.980 Are you concerned at all that they will campaign against you?

00:51:31.660 That's not really a concern for me.

00:51:35.780 I've had so many people here in D.C.

00:51:38.200 It would be ironic if he joins the swamp creatures and goes after conservatives back in their districts.

00:51:44.360 But I don't think that's going to happen.

00:51:45.820 I think when this is all said and done, he may be more upset with Rince Priebus and Paul Ryan than he is with the people that supported him in his election, frankly.

00:51:57.180 Thomas Massey, thank you very much.

00:51:58.660 Appreciate it.

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00:53:46.680 Glenn Beck Program.

00:53:48.260 888-727-BAC.

00:53:50.840 Mercury.

00:53:51.520 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:53:57.780 I want to tell you a quick story on why the free market health care system is the greatest, and we all know it.

00:54:04.420 We all know it.

00:54:06.220 Last Friday, Tanya said to me...

00:54:08.540 Well, it's second greatest after Angola.

00:54:10.580 She said to me, I have a really bad toothache.

00:54:14.780 She said, I don't know, maybe, I can't, it's not really coming from my tooth, though, I'm not sure.

00:54:21.360 And it got worse, and then it started moving up the side of her face,

00:54:26.780 and by Sunday, it was blinding pain, and it was in her head.

00:54:32.280 Oof.

00:54:33.000 And it would come and go.

00:54:36.600 It would be, like, gone.

00:54:38.200 And then it would come back, roaring back to where she couldn't function.

00:54:44.460 And I said, honey, first thing you have to do, first thing Monday, you've got to go to the dentist and just check, see if it's a toothache.

00:54:53.420 And so she went to the dentist, and the dentist said, you're fine, just take some ibuprofen and watch it for a few days.

00:55:03.580 Call your doctor.

00:55:04.220 So she called me back, and I said, no, don't, don't do that.

00:55:09.320 You've taken ibuprofen.

00:55:10.600 This is blinding pain.

00:55:13.200 So she called our doctor, and the doctor said, okay, well, let me take a look at you, blah, blah, blah.

00:55:19.060 And I said, honey, I want you to go see a neurologist today.

00:55:27.480 Let's go see a neurologist today.

00:55:30.560 By 6 o'clock on Friday night, she was sitting in a neurologist's office getting a diagnosis.

00:55:40.240 And I have to tell you, if I were in Canada, I sat in that office, and I actually said a prayer, thank you, thank you, Lord, for having us here in America.

00:55:54.140 Thank you for the blessings of this.

00:55:57.460 If she were in Canada, she wouldn't have even seen the dentist, let alone a neurologist.

00:56:03.880 Well, in 6 to 12 weeks, she would have.

00:56:08.960 Yes.

00:56:09.720 You know, maybe up to 6 months or so.

00:56:11.900 And when it's you, we all say, oh, well.

00:56:14.800 So they got the problem taken care of, though?

00:56:16.380 She's okay?

00:56:16.940 Yeah, she's going in for some more testing.

00:56:19.240 They think they know what it is.

00:56:20.300 It's a pretty nasty nerve problem.

00:56:26.280 And it's not her teeth?

00:56:27.520 No, it's not.

00:56:28.820 I can't remember the name of it, but it's the nerve that kind of controls the pain in your head, in your face.

00:56:38.820 Yeah.

00:56:39.700 Wow.

00:56:40.940 She's not using this as an excuse to get out of her kitchen duties, is she?

00:56:44.840 Oh, no.

00:56:45.760 My gosh, I told her to get her butt in the kitchen right now and birth a baby while you're at it.

00:56:49.300 Okay, because I...

00:56:50.300 Yeah.

00:56:50.820 And get those shoes off.

00:56:52.380 Thank you.

00:56:52.820 God, this whining thing.

00:56:54.020 We'd appreciate prayers coming our way, but it's not life-threatening.

00:56:56.740 No kidding.

00:56:57.300 Thank God.

00:56:57.380 That's great.

00:56:58.200 But, I mean, it makes the point, because you know what?

00:57:02.120 Everyone in Canada has health insurance.

00:57:05.400 They're all insured.

00:57:07.040 You know, in the middle of this debate, when they're saying, oh, these millions of people are going to go off on health insurance,

00:57:11.540 what does that mean?

00:57:12.980 If your insurance leads to multiple months of waiting before an appointment for something serious,

00:57:18.640 who cares if you have health insurance at that point?

00:57:21.020 Yeah.

00:57:21.540 I mean, if it would have been a tumor, I mean, can you imagine?

00:57:25.400 Six, 12 months, you know, or, I mean, three to six months before she could get in...

00:57:31.200 You've heard the horror story.

00:57:31.900 ...to see a doctor, to see if it was a tumor or not?

00:57:34.980 Wow.

00:57:35.700 It's craziness.

00:57:36.960 We don't have to deal with it like that in America.

00:57:39.680 Please return us to a free market system.

00:57:44.360 We are one.

00:57:47.760 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:57:50.920 Mercury.

00:57:54.900 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:57:56.780 There is a war on women happening.

00:58:03.460 But if you listen to those on the left, the biggest offender is, say it with me, the United States of America.

00:58:10.240 The World Economic Forum released their list of the world's best countries for women.

00:58:14.860 And the U.S. was 45th.

00:58:19.620 So let me give you a couple of highlights on the list.

00:58:22.000 Rwanda was the fifth best nation on earth for women.

00:58:25.740 Yeah, Rwanda.

00:58:27.780 40 places above the United States.

00:58:31.860 Rwanda.

00:58:33.700 One of the criteria used to arrive at that conclusion is the percentage of women in the Rwandan legislature.

00:58:41.040 According to WEF, 64% of the seats in the Rwandan parliament are occupied by women.

00:58:48.880 Just a side note, after the Rwandan genocide, 70% of their population was women.

00:58:54.860 And so it seems to go to reason that it would.

00:58:58.020 Anyway, one of the reasons the U.S. is listed as low as it is, is the ever-present income inequality argument.

00:59:05.820 As we have discussed over and over, including by the liberal newspaper, The Washington Post,

00:59:12.360 there are many extenuating factors that go into why, overall, men earn more money than women.

00:59:19.200 To name a few, different professional choices, maternity leave, length of time in the job market, and a whole lot more.

00:59:25.520 But boil down, when you compare men and women with similar education levels, similar job experience, length of time in a particular job, and skill levels,

00:59:35.600 in other words, when comparing apples to apples, in America, men and women make virtually the same amount of money.

00:59:42.400 In fact, in some industries, when those factors are considered, women's actual average income is slightly more than men.

00:59:52.460 In 2010, Time magazine reported that there was 147 of the 150 biggest cities in the country,

00:59:59.800 and the median full-time salaries of young single women were higher than their male peers, by 8%.

01:00:07.400 Another criteria used to rate the United States lower than you might think it should be in the quality of life for women

01:00:14.640 is the participation rate for women in the job force, because it's stagnant.

01:00:20.400 Is there a definitive explanation for that?

01:00:24.020 No, not that I can think of.

01:00:26.340 But, could one reason be that many women are choosing to stay home to raise their children full-time?

01:00:32.840 Of course.

01:00:33.360 Since when are women who raise children second-class citizens?

01:00:38.640 Since when do we say our quality of life is because everyone in the family works?

01:00:46.280 Is the World Economic Forum going to inform America's children that they're just not important enough

01:00:51.920 to warrant a parent staying in the home to raise them?

01:00:54.900 Or will they inform our next generation that they don't deserve the time and attention of their own parents?

01:01:01.360 Or maybe they should just admit, some people choose to stay home with their kids, and it's not a bad choice.

01:01:08.040 Rarely, if ever, is actual oppression and violence against women even mentioned,

01:01:13.480 such as when it exists under Sharia law.

01:01:16.180 Even in the supposedly westernized, tolerant Dubai in the UAE,

01:01:21.340 the situation for women can be extremely hazardous.

01:01:25.480 Charlotte Adams, she was visiting Dubai from London.

01:01:28.040 She greeted a male friend in the bar in Dubai with a kiss on the cheek to say hello.

01:01:33.140 Well, when she left the bar, the Dubai police stopped her.

01:01:36.900 He was like, were you kissing him?

01:01:38.920 And I was like, no.

01:01:40.140 And he's like, did you kiss him?

01:01:41.560 And I was like, well, we would have kissed on the cheek to say hi,

01:01:44.220 but apparently, as soon as I said we kissed on the cheek, that was it.

01:01:48.040 It was like, kissing on the cheek is illegal.

01:01:51.600 Charlotte spent 23 days behind bars before being deported.

01:01:58.040 Charlotte actually got off easy.

01:02:00.200 The 27-year-old Australian Elisa Ghali went to Dubai to manage a hotel and spa.

01:02:05.960 She had a room in the hotel she managed, and one night, her room became flooded.

01:02:11.280 It turned out later that someone had intentionally stuffed a t-shirt in the plumbing to cause the overflow.

01:02:18.140 While the workers fixed her room, she waited in the bar.

01:02:21.980 A co-worker came by, dropped some ice cubes in her drink.

01:02:25.120 The next thing she remembers is waking up naked and badly bruised with four broken ribs.

01:02:32.480 She had been raped by three men.

01:02:35.880 Elisa went to the hospital for treatment and to alert the police.

01:02:39.740 What Elisa didn't know is that being raped was essentially the same as having sex outside marriage where the sex is consensual,

01:02:49.600 and that she would be charged with the same offence as those who assaulted and raped her.

01:02:55.220 Elisa was quickly learning firsthand about the real war on women.

01:03:01.020 From an Australian documentary on the case.

01:03:03.280 So, a woman can only prove that she has been raped if there are four adult Muslim men watching the rape.

01:03:13.660 Who are prepared to say that the sex was non-consensual.

01:03:17.320 Elisa Ghali spent eight months in that Dubai prison before being released during a Muslim holiday celebration.

01:03:24.280 In 2008, a 13-year-old Somali girl named Elisa de Hulau reported to authorities that she had been gang raped.

01:03:32.360 Instead of receiving justice, she was stoned to death by 50 men.

01:03:37.740 Sharia courts in Pakistan have punished thousands of raped women who dare accuse their attacker with imprisonment.

01:03:45.260 In Bangladesh, female victims are flogged, beaten, and imprisoned after being raped.

01:03:49.760 In Afghanistan, it's possible that a daughter who had been raped will be honor-killed by her parents.

01:03:56.640 In 2014, the International Women's Group intervened on behalf of a 10-year-old girl who had been raped by her mullah in a mosque.

01:04:05.520 Their job? To persuade her family not to kill her.

01:04:10.460 Good news. So far, the family has not.

01:04:13.560 But in Nigeria, 200 schoolgirls were kidnapped out of their school and sold into sex slavery

01:04:20.520 because their extremist captors believed they had a right to do it, since the girls were being educated.

01:04:27.540 Hashtags popped up for the girls here in America, but nothing was ever really accomplished in their behalf.

01:04:32.240 So, there is a war on women.

01:04:35.940 Severe human rights violations directed against women all over the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and other parts of the world,

01:04:44.160 and virtually no one seems to focus on it.

01:04:47.340 Meanwhile, in the United States, the so-called war often involves whether or not free birth control devices are available on every street corner.

01:04:56.020 One told us of how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter

01:05:03.940 and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance,

01:05:08.360 and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn't afford that prescription.

01:05:13.780 Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

01:05:18.000 Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception

01:05:23.300 because she and her husband just couldn't fit it into their budget anymore.

01:05:28.700 Perspective should be the word of the year.

01:05:32.140 Perspective.

01:05:32.880 It would be helpful.

01:05:35.280 At least when we have to answer the question,

01:05:37.300 is life perfect for women?

01:05:40.140 Of course not.

01:05:41.200 Not here or anywhere else.

01:05:43.180 It's not perfect for men either.

01:05:45.240 But it might be helpful to take a breath and look around from time to time

01:05:50.120 to see if you were looking to America from the outside,

01:05:54.220 how perfect a woman's life may look to them.

01:06:00.180 We'll seek to gain some of that perspective on the next episode.

01:06:05.900 Tomorrow on the Glenn Beck Program,

01:06:07.980 in Chapter 3 of The War on Women,

01:06:09.940 you'll learn how progressive feminism gained popularity.

01:06:13.280 Listen live or online at glennbeck.com slash serials.

01:06:20.120 Please make sure you share those serials.

01:06:22.920 You'll find them at glennbeck.com slash serials.

01:06:25.160 I don't know who writes those,

01:06:26.340 but it's absolute genius.

01:06:28.500 I mean, absolute unadulterated.

01:06:30.180 I'm not sure who writes them.

01:06:31.420 Serious.

01:06:33.020 But I will tell you that

01:06:34.840 somebody could watch that or listen to that

01:06:39.840 and say, oh, look at your comparing.

01:06:41.880 I mean, didn't it seem when you saw Sandra Fluck at the end

01:06:47.560 talking about the horrors of her friend?

01:06:53.040 So petty.

01:06:54.220 I mean, doesn't that just really perspective

01:06:56.460 is just so important.

01:06:58.760 Yeah, we're so out of whack.

01:07:00.340 If we could, if we really could come together

01:07:03.040 on the big things like this,

01:07:04.800 if women, if the women's organizations of the world

01:07:09.140 were saying, look, America is not perfect

01:07:12.240 and we got some things we want to work on.

01:07:13.940 We want to work on this.

01:07:15.060 Can we all work together on helping stop

01:07:18.280 what's happening to women over in the Middle East?

01:07:20.980 I would absolutely be so much more willing

01:07:24.220 to talk about anything that's happening here.

01:07:27.040 And you've proven that by your efforts

01:07:29.660 on behalf of the Christians in the Middle East.

01:07:31.820 We're trying to get everybody,

01:07:33.840 can we at least agree on this?

01:07:35.660 Or sex slavery.

01:07:36.840 Sex slavery.

01:07:37.960 But remember, I went to GLAAD

01:07:41.300 and asked them, could we unite?

01:07:44.360 This is right after Putin declared

01:07:46.440 that homosexuality was a mental disorder

01:07:49.980 and you couldn't have a driver's license

01:07:51.700 and everything else.

01:07:53.080 And I went to GLAAD in New York and said,

01:07:54.840 let's stand...

01:07:55.420 Hey, we can all agree that's crazy.

01:07:56.720 That's crazy.

01:07:57.500 Let's stand together on that.

01:07:59.560 No.

01:08:00.780 No.

01:08:01.820 Because they were worried about the bakers

01:08:04.100 and the cakes here in the United States.

01:08:06.680 And I said, look, we can argue about that all you want,

01:08:09.200 but they're throwing homosexuals off of buildings

01:08:12.220 in the Middle East

01:08:12.980 and they're taking the driver's license away

01:08:15.400 from homosexuals in Russia.

01:08:17.100 Why don't we make an impact on that one?

01:08:19.700 Yeah, but what if somebody has to cross the street

01:08:21.480 to get a cake?

01:08:22.620 And that'd be bad.

01:08:23.840 Seriously.

01:08:24.600 That'd be bad.

01:08:24.920 Well, the Sandra Fluke thing is a great example of that.

01:08:28.400 I mean, at one point she says,

01:08:30.120 the consequence of what she's talking about there

01:08:32.920 is that the woman,

01:08:34.060 when she was trying to get her birth control,

01:08:35.900 felt powerless.

01:08:38.000 What a weird thing to complain about in this world.

01:08:41.180 A feeling of powerlessness?

01:08:44.680 You're talking about people who really feel like they have no power

01:08:47.860 considering their heart's not beating

01:08:49.360 or they've been raped a million times

01:08:51.500 and they go to prison for being raped.

01:08:55.020 And you compare that to feeling powerless

01:08:57.160 because when you go to buy birth control,

01:08:59.540 you find out that it's not on your health insurance plan.

01:09:02.200 When you can go to Planned Parenthood and get it for free.

01:09:04.580 Yeah, or you can go to Walmart

01:09:05.880 and get the pill for $4 a month.

01:09:07.420 And you can get a condom for 20 cents.

01:09:09.340 I mean, we did the math on that in one of these

01:09:12.300 when she said it cost her $3,000 for birth control.

01:09:14.800 So if you just use condoms, I mean, that's 15,000 sexual events

01:09:19.540 that you could have on $3,000.

01:09:22.780 And again, so now we're not to the point of,

01:09:24.940 it's not birth control,

01:09:25.940 it's their chosen type of birth control,

01:09:28.140 which might be different than the less expensive.

01:09:31.460 Their chosen type in their chosen place at the chosen price.

01:09:34.340 And it has to be paid for by somebody else.

01:09:38.180 Just perspective.

01:09:39.420 Perspective is the word.

01:09:40.260 Just perspective.

01:09:41.660 There's so much good we can do together.

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01:11:20.480 Let's go right to Mike Lee on Paul Ryan.

01:11:23.160 I want to make very clear, I like Paul Ryan.

01:11:26.520 I have tremendous respect for Paul Ryan.

01:11:29.120 I very respectfully but strongly disagree with two points that he made just there.

01:11:35.260 One was that this is somehow 85% of everything that conservatives like.

01:11:39.580 Look, you put on a list everything that conservatives want and everything that's in this bill.

01:11:44.300 You don't get anywhere close to 85% by my tally.

01:11:47.500 Secondly, the fact that he's opining on Senate rules and saying that they've put in there

01:11:52.260 every conservative reform that can possibly pass the Senate rules

01:11:55.080 is number one, not his job, and number two, not accurate.

01:11:58.200 I don't know how he can purport to know that when he doesn't,

01:12:01.360 and I think he's mistaken on this.

01:12:02.880 Okay, so there's Mike Lee on the bill that is apparently going to go up for a vote tomorrow for Obamacare.

01:12:08.960 And in Gorsuch, we thought we'd give you a blast from the past.

01:12:12.660 This, narrated by Gregory Peck, a commercial against Robert Bork.

01:12:19.340 There's a special feeling of awe people get when they visit the Supreme Court of the United States,

01:12:24.600 the ultimate guardian of our rights as Americans.

01:12:27.580 That's why we set the highest standards for our highest court justices,

01:12:31.600 and that's why we're so concerned.

01:12:34.160 This is Gregory Peck.

01:12:36.960 Robert Bork wants to be a Supreme Court justice,

01:12:39.520 but the record shows that he has a strange idea of what justice is.

01:12:43.800 He defended poll taxes and literacy tests,

01:12:46.360 which kept many Americans from voting.

01:12:49.040 He opposed a civil rights law that ended whites-only signs at lunch counters.

01:12:53.540 He doesn't believe the Constitution protects your right to privacy.

01:12:56.340 Listen to the music.

01:12:57.240 And he thinks that freedom of speech does not apply to literature and art and music.

01:13:02.280 Robert Bork could have the last word on your rights as citizens,

01:13:06.200 but the Senate has the last word on him.

01:13:08.380 Please urge your senators to vote against the Bork nomination,

01:13:12.600 because if Robert Bork wins a seat on the Supreme Court,

01:13:15.660 it will be for life, his life, and yours.

01:13:18.840 I mean, think of the power they had in that era.

01:13:22.180 Because with the media, and no internet, and no alternative media, really,

01:13:27.220 they run that ad with Gregory Peck,

01:13:29.200 they get the backup of the network news, and it's over.

01:13:32.120 They could change the complete narrative with just, with so little effort.

01:13:39.020 It goes to, could you play the people that wanted, you know, a free and fair internet?

01:13:45.340 This is just, what, seven years ago.

01:13:48.220 Listen to this ad about television.

01:13:50.740 Ever wonder why you get 500 channels, but there's nothing good on TV?

01:13:56.540 No.

01:13:57.120 Or why your high-speed internet is so slow and so expensive?

01:14:01.380 My high-speed internet is really, really fast.

01:14:03.880 Okay, so here's the thing.

01:14:05.040 How many 500 channels?

01:14:05.900 I haven't even thought of that in a long time.

01:14:08.920 If you're using the internet, look at the quality of television now.

01:14:10.840 The quality of television and the, and, and, and how much you can get.

01:14:16.280 People want to limit the voices, and they don't see the opportunity in front of us.

01:14:21.800 We have to be responsible with our voices,

01:14:23.960 but we have more freedom than man has ever had to be heard and to make an impact ourself.

01:14:32.180 We don't have to have it dished out by Hollywood, put on a network, and then accept it.

01:14:36.660 We are the power in the country.

01:14:40.880 We are the moving force in the world.

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01:15:06.660 This is the Blaze Radio On Demand.

01:15:10.800 Healthcare, the Supreme Court, socialism.

01:15:16.580 What could we possibly learn with everything that is going on today

01:15:20.080 from somebody who used to be a member of the Westboro Baptist Church,

01:15:24.260 in fact, was a member of the founding family?

01:15:29.680 What could we possibly learn?

01:15:32.180 Oh, an unbelievable amount.

01:15:34.820 We begin there, right now.

01:15:37.180 I will make a stand.

01:15:39.980 I will raise my voice.

01:15:42.240 I will hold your hand.

01:15:44.660 Because we are one.

01:15:46.500 I will beat my drum.

01:15:48.720 I have made my choice.

01:15:50.980 We will overcome.

01:15:53.280 Because we are one.

01:15:55.320 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

01:15:59.160 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:16:02.720 In a minute, I'm going to introduce you to somebody,

01:16:05.700 and I want her to tell her story,

01:16:07.840 not just the reason why we're having her on,

01:16:11.000 but I want you to see where she came from.

01:16:14.840 And this is something that Stu brought to my attention.

01:16:18.340 A couple of weeks ago, you saw a TED Talk.

01:16:19.920 Yeah, and it's an amazing story of someone in the Westboro Baptist Church

01:16:24.260 who kind of comes through, and we should go through the whole story.

01:16:26.380 But it shows that, at times, we don't want to talk to people.

01:16:30.480 We think, well, we can't reason with them because they're on the other side

01:16:33.540 of some political argument or a family disagreement or whatever it is.

01:16:37.260 If this story does not prove that those barriers can be broken down,

01:16:41.900 I don't know what does.

01:16:42.620 Yeah, and I mean, we've all seen it firsthand with you, Glenn,

01:16:47.160 reaching out and trying to unite instead of divide.

01:16:51.660 And, you know, I don't think that everybody has seen the results yet,

01:16:55.480 but I certainly have.

01:16:56.720 And it's really having an impact now.

01:16:59.320 And this is an incredible story of polarization.

01:17:02.860 You can't get any more radical than Westboro Baptist Church.

01:17:05.160 I think this is why this is such a good story.

01:17:07.320 Because we always hear from our side,

01:17:10.360 you're never going to get the left on board with this.

01:17:13.480 You're just, this is unilateral disarmament.

01:17:16.140 Give up.

01:17:16.740 Give up.

01:17:17.440 Stop doing this.

01:17:18.600 And you hear that also from the left.

01:17:21.600 We'll say that about the right.

01:17:22.960 They're all just whack jobs, crazy people.

01:17:25.600 You're never going to be able to.

01:17:27.020 No, no, no.

01:17:27.940 There is a path, and it's a really simple path.

01:17:31.420 And Megan Phelps Roper talked about it in her TED Talk,

01:17:36.480 which we're going to get to here in a second.

01:17:38.120 But first, I want to introduce her and have her give her a little bit of a background

01:17:42.020 of what she was immersed in.

01:17:46.020 Welcome to the program, Megan.

01:17:47.240 How are you?

01:17:48.980 I'm wonderful.

01:17:49.780 How are you?

01:17:50.420 I'm good.

01:17:51.140 It's really an honor to talk to you.

01:17:55.340 We're big fans of what you said in your TED Talk,

01:17:58.600 especially from where you started in a church that is more than a little tough.

01:18:11.620 Yeah, absolutely.

01:18:13.600 I grew up at the Westboro Baptist Church,

01:18:16.720 and my family, the church is almost entirely my family,

01:18:20.520 so around 80%.

01:18:22.820 It's only 80 or so people in the church,

01:18:24.840 and about 80% are people.

01:18:27.360 My grandfather is the one who founded the church,

01:18:29.680 and my mother was the de facto spokesperson for a long time.

01:18:35.060 And so, yeah, I grew up on the picket line.

01:18:38.360 Yeah, you actually held those hate-filled signs at funerals in other places, right?

01:18:43.880 When you were a kid.

01:18:44.580 When you were, yeah.

01:18:46.820 Yeah, absolutely.

01:18:47.820 It started out just as a, you know, at a protest at a local park,

01:18:52.320 and it sort of really expanded from there.

01:18:56.020 As soon as, you know, every, my grandfather was a very,

01:18:58.900 very aggressive kind of hostile personality.

01:19:01.520 So when people started to come out to counter-protest,

01:19:04.400 everybody who was against us became a target.

01:19:09.380 And eventually, so what started out as, you know,

01:19:11.340 being a protest against gay people became, you know,

01:19:14.200 we were protesting against other Christians and Jews,

01:19:17.760 and it expanded rapidly until literally everyone outside of our church

01:19:22.400 became a target.

01:19:24.560 And so it was basically a, you know,

01:19:27.320 I was marinating in this ideology of everybody is against us,

01:19:32.040 we are against everybody because they're all against the scriptures

01:19:35.920 and, you know, memorizing chapter and verse,

01:19:39.020 why they're wrong and why they're headed for hell,

01:19:41.180 and it's our duty to go out and warn them.

01:19:44.200 I'm fascinated, Megan, because I think back to my childhood,

01:19:46.920 and I remember, you know, fun picnics and fun trips to amusement parks

01:19:51.860 and things like that.

01:19:53.060 Do you have those types of memories,

01:19:55.480 or is it just, is there a competition between that

01:19:58.560 and you carrying some awful sign around during a protest?

01:20:03.900 No, I absolutely have those memories.

01:20:06.140 My, it's, it's, a lot of people have a hard time understanding

01:20:09.960 that they, other than these protests and that worldview,

01:20:14.480 they're, we're a very normal, I mean,

01:20:16.760 obviously there's a lot of kids in our family,

01:20:18.020 there's 11 kids in my family.

01:20:19.360 Um, and, but, but we played video games and read books

01:20:24.600 and we went to public school and, yeah, we went to amusement parks

01:20:27.700 and we did all of those things, but we also,

01:20:30.360 that was all sort of, um, organized around this nationwide picketing campaign.

01:20:36.620 Um, so, I have, I absolutely have both,

01:20:39.860 but it, that, it's, that loving family,

01:20:43.260 the, the nature of that is part of what makes it so, so, so hard

01:20:47.380 to leave, or to even consider leaving.

01:20:51.060 So, so, I, I, I just had a, um, a guy in who we're going to interview

01:20:56.940 on a program that I'm, um, working on.

01:20:59.800 He was a member of the Hitler Youth.

01:21:03.680 Now, he's in his 80s now, but he came of age, um, in the Hitler Youth

01:21:10.660 until, I think he, I think World War II ended when he was 20.

01:21:15.060 Um, and he still had, he sees the world very differently.

01:21:22.160 He thinks that Churchill is a war, uh, a, uh, should be held for war crimes,

01:21:28.340 a war criminal.

01:21:29.540 Um, and he doesn't agree with Hitler, but he said,

01:21:32.960 I never saw, we never, we never saw any of that.

01:21:37.020 At least he said, I didn't.

01:21:38.180 He said, I was in the front row of the, of the, uh, 36 Olympics.

01:21:42.640 You know, I, I, I saw all the good stuff

01:21:45.600 and the bad stuff that was thrown up.

01:21:48.840 You just dismissed it because you thought it was somebody

01:21:52.000 that was just trying to tear us down.

01:21:54.180 Is that kind of the way your childhood was, in a way?

01:21:59.520 Well, I, I mean, I know that, I knew at the time, so for instance, the funeral picketing,

01:22:04.320 I knew at the time that it was hurtful, but the way that it was framed in our church was,

01:22:09.440 you know, these, these people don't understand that they are headed for hell,

01:22:13.420 for eternal destruction.

01:22:14.520 And it's a loving thing to go and warn them.

01:22:18.660 And so I saw it as, as a necessary evil.

01:22:22.700 Like, we had to go do this because this was the truth.

01:22:25.440 And the only thing that mattered more than anything else was the truth.

01:22:28.820 And it didn't matter how we said it, or where we said it, or in what context,

01:22:33.520 it was always a good thing.

01:22:35.680 And, and it was, it was a point of pride for us not to consider people's feelings.

01:22:40.960 And the people, and the people that were coming against you,

01:22:44.300 because they were screaming back in your face,

01:22:47.540 it only reinforced that these are bad people.

01:22:52.780 Absolutely.

01:22:53.460 And especially because, I mean, there's all these passages.

01:22:56.240 So, for instance, Jesus talks about,

01:22:58.500 blessed are ye when men shall hate you and revile you and persecute you for my name's sake.

01:23:03.940 So, for us, like, we, we wanted that.

01:23:05.780 It was, we, we expected it.

01:23:07.660 It was confirmation that we were doing the Lord's work.

01:23:11.780 Wow.

01:23:12.380 Now, take us to how someone finally broke through.

01:23:19.580 So, Twitter, Twitter was an, and I didn't realize it at first.

01:23:24.660 I didn't realize that it was happening exactly.

01:23:26.760 But, but Twitter was an empathy machine for me.

01:23:31.320 And I really hate how it's gotten such a bad rap,

01:23:33.380 because that platform has done more to teach me good communication

01:23:36.560 and how to engage with people than almost anything else in my life.

01:23:41.040 So, on Twitter, people would, would come at me with the same kind of, you know,

01:23:46.620 hateful rhetoric and loud, you know, accusations and, and just very bitter.

01:23:51.880 Um, and I, again, I expected it, um, and I would respond, you know, in kind.

01:23:57.900 And, but then some people, like, I, and I don't know exactly why or what motivated them.

01:24:04.260 I think they, they saw, they say that they saw something in me that,

01:24:09.080 that maybe I would listen or something.

01:24:10.760 But, in any case, they stopped yelling and stopped, you know, insulting me

01:24:16.860 and started to ask questions.

01:24:19.300 And they were, like, really, they seemed like they were actually listening to me.

01:24:22.820 And, of course, because I thought I was...

01:24:24.540 They were honest questions.

01:24:25.480 Yes.

01:24:25.680 They weren't questions of setup.

01:24:28.180 Right, exactly.

01:24:29.220 Okay.

01:24:29.320 And, and it made me feel, and because, again, I thought I was doing a good thing.

01:24:33.820 I thought that those words that we were preaching, I thought that was the absolute, unquestionable truth.

01:24:38.160 So, I wanted to share it with them.

01:24:39.680 That's why I was on social media.

01:24:41.560 And so, I would, you know, answer their questions and sort of, we have these back and forth.

01:24:45.500 But then, you know, because it's Twitter, like, I'm also seeing, you know,

01:24:49.160 the photos they post of their children and their friends.

01:24:51.840 And it just became this, this way for me to see people as human beings.

01:24:58.700 And it was because of the way, because of the fact that they stopped, the way that they engaged me.

01:25:06.620 It's incredible that that came from Twitter, too.

01:25:08.860 Someone tweeted the other day, Instagram, my life is a party.

01:25:12.300 Snapchat, my life is a quirky TV show.

01:25:14.420 Facebook, my life turned out great.

01:25:16.360 Twitter, we're all going to die.

01:25:18.480 And I say, when I go on Twitter, man, I just get so depressed.

01:25:21.840 But it's amazing you were able to take that out of this.

01:25:25.060 I know, but I, like, there's a couple other things about Twitter that were really helpful to me.

01:25:30.840 So, like, for instance, like the character limit.

01:25:33.520 It first made me give up insults.

01:25:35.440 Because at Westboro, we would include these elaborate insults when we responded to questions that people sent us by email.

01:25:41.580 But on Twitter, there just wasn't space for it.

01:25:44.880 And also, Twitter was just this immediate feedback loop.

01:25:48.140 If I did insult somebody, I could watch the conversation just derail in real time.

01:25:53.620 I could see that I wasn't getting my point across because I was too busy indulging that vengeful little voice in my head that wanted to call people names.

01:26:01.640 And I feel like, I mean, we all have this feedback loop.

01:26:04.620 Megan, I will tell you, I've been doing these kinds of experiments myself over the last couple of years where I've gotten in because I just stopped engaging for a while.

01:26:15.200 And about two years ago, I decided, you know what, I'm just going to answer everybody and assume the best.

01:26:20.800 And just answer the worst with something kind and try to be humble and kind and nice to everybody.

01:26:31.000 Really hard to do.

01:26:32.880 And it's amazing, the results.

01:26:35.960 It's truly remarkable.

01:26:37.780 It doesn't cure everybody by any stretch.

01:26:40.500 But it's remarkable.

01:26:42.140 And I've talked about it on the air.

01:26:44.960 And so many people say, it's not going to make a difference.

01:26:49.600 You can't engage with them.

01:26:50.640 They're all crazy.

01:26:51.600 They're all whatever.

01:26:52.660 What would you say to that?

01:26:56.100 Man, I just disagree so, so much with the idea of hopelessness when it comes to talking to people.

01:27:03.260 I had grown up, you know, basically cultivating this mindset of us versus them, being wary, like specifically being wary of people's kindness.

01:27:15.920 And even though I consciously was aware and trying not to be persuaded by kindness, it was still a powerful thing.

01:27:25.040 And it's really interesting because over the past few years I've been, you know, thinking about this a lot, obviously, because it's only been four years since I left.

01:27:33.700 So it's kind of just this huge, you know, huge event in my life.

01:27:38.520 And what you're describing there about, you know, assuming the best and, you know, changing the way you respond.

01:27:45.360 So if somebody comes at you angry and you respond in kindness and humility, that's called, like, non-complementary behavior.

01:27:51.740 And we are, as human beings, we're wired to respond in kind.

01:27:56.920 But like you said, it's incredibly difficult to do.

01:27:59.300 But we can cultivate a more useful mindset.

01:28:02.920 Like, one thing you said, well, my mom used to tell me that to make sure my behavior was appropriate, I should add the word judge onto the end of my sentence.

01:28:10.840 As in, here's why I did it, judge.

01:28:12.900 And I still use that trick.

01:28:15.100 Except now I add the word friend.

01:28:16.680 And if someone attacks me and I start to get riled up, I try to pause for a beat and add friend as if I'm disagreeing with someone I love.

01:28:25.840 And I don't do it to be a goody-two-shoes.

01:28:28.220 I do it because it works.

01:28:29.880 It's just so much more effective than anger or insult or hostility.

01:28:34.800 All right.

01:28:34.920 I want to get to, you say there are four steps, and I want to get to those here in a second.

01:28:38.040 Let me just ask you one more question, and then I have to take a quick break.

01:28:40.460 Do you, are you well aware of how appropriately timed your discovery and your story is for the rest of the world?

01:28:53.660 I just, I hope that, I hope that I can be a voice or that the story can be something that will help other people see the value in engaging.

01:29:04.620 Because, honestly, my experience has given me so much hope.

01:29:08.860 I never thought I would leave.

01:29:10.880 And at first, when I first left, I thought that my family, there was no, like, no hope for most of my family.

01:29:16.620 I don't believe that anymore.

01:29:17.980 And that's, I'm still reaching out to them.

01:29:19.960 I'm still trying to convince them to see things other ways.

01:29:22.780 And if there's hope for me, if I changed, I think that there's a lot of hope.

01:29:27.840 You know, I know the political climate is so, so polarized right now, but I can't help but feel so hopeful.

01:29:35.020 Megan Phelps Roper, she'll continue with us here in just a second.

01:29:38.360 You need to hear what her solution is.

01:29:41.660 It's really a four-step process, and it's really pretty easy.

01:29:45.080 Left the Westboro Baptist Church because of kindness.

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01:31:42.920 Why don't you know we're following, there's a possible terrorist attack in England.

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01:31:53.800 Some people were mowed down on a bridge, maybe some stabbings.

01:31:58.580 We'll get you some more information as it begins to come in.

01:32:02.000 Megan Phelps Roper is a former member of the Westboro Baptist Church where people were kind to her and started to talk to her.

01:32:12.460 And she says, this really works.

01:32:16.180 And, you know, you could be in the cult of a political party.

01:32:21.320 And I think this works.

01:32:23.380 I think we need this across all lines in the world right now.

01:32:28.180 Megan, you did a TED Talk.

01:32:29.700 You said there are four tips on how to talk to people who you disagree with.

01:32:33.740 Yes, exactly.

01:32:38.960 Do you want me to tell them to you?

01:32:40.060 Yeah, yeah, sure.

01:32:40.740 So the first one is, I think it's really important.

01:32:45.900 Don't assume bad intent.

01:32:48.040 It's so easy to look at.

01:32:49.940 I mean, Westboro is such an easy example.

01:32:52.360 They've got these neon signs.

01:32:54.340 It was so clearly obvious to everyone that we were hateful and evil and awful people.

01:33:01.000 But underneath it was well-intentioned people trying to do what they believed was right.

01:33:08.120 And so it's really easy to look at the surface and assume the worst of people, assume you understand where they're coming from.

01:33:15.600 But that almost immediately cuts you off from really understanding what they're about.

01:33:21.840 It's one of the reasons why I've tried to cut the word evil out of my lexicon because we use that too often and we use it about people.

01:33:31.900 And I really think most people have great intent.

01:33:36.480 You know, Donald Trump, Barack Obama, you can disagree with either one of them, but neither one of them think they're doing evil.

01:33:45.160 They think they're doing the right thing.

01:33:47.480 You just don't see it that way.

01:33:51.560 Exactly.

01:33:52.460 I think that very few, maybe sociopaths or psychopaths or, you know, people, and even them, like people who are deliberately doing wrong, I think they're very, very, very few and far beneath.

01:34:03.360 Right.

01:34:03.780 And that doesn't mean you have to go along with it.

01:34:05.460 But if you say to them or their followers, you know, your guy is evil, they stop listening to you.

01:34:13.620 Right, exactly.

01:34:14.460 And you stop asking questions to get to the bottom of it, which is the second point, is that asking questions helps you bridge the gap between your point of view and theirs.

01:34:26.120 It helps you understand where they're coming from actually.

01:34:29.360 And it also signals to the people that you're talking to that you're actually listening to them.

01:34:34.480 And that is a huge benefit to the dialogue because they no longer, they're not yet, they don't want to yell at you.

01:34:42.320 They see that you want to understand.

01:34:43.860 So they're much more willing to engage.

01:34:45.840 So the second point is ask questions.

01:34:49.120 And it matters that they're honest questions, not set up questions, not a question where I know you're going to say one thing so I can give you the scripture quote or whatever to beat you.

01:35:00.060 Exactly.

01:35:00.360 It has to be a question that is not designed for me to win.

01:35:04.580 We're going to take a quick break, come back with the last two with Megan Phelps Roper when we come back.

01:35:09.580 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

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01:35:32.480 Megan Phelps Roper, somebody that we saw on TED Talk, giving a great TED Talk on how to bring people together.

01:35:39.580 She was in the, she's a Phelps, so she was part of the founding family of the Westboro Baptist Church.

01:35:47.280 And she got online and started making friends with people who were friendly to her, not just yelling at her all the time.

01:35:56.760 And she said there are four things that if you really want to change people's minds, four ways of engaging people so that real conversations can take place.

01:36:06.480 The first one is don't assume bad intent.

01:36:08.840 Instead, assume good or neutral intent.

01:36:12.340 The second, ask questions as opposed to accusing.

01:36:16.640 Ask honest questions.

01:36:18.840 It'll help people let them know that they've been heard.

01:36:21.480 And quite often this is all that people want.

01:36:23.920 The third is stay calm.

01:36:27.160 Welcome back to the program, Megan.

01:36:28.580 Explain stay calm.

01:36:30.400 So this one is really difficult because the natural inclination is always to respond the way that somebody is speaking to you.

01:36:40.400 So when somebody comes at you with hostility, the instinct is to be defensive and to respond with hostility.

01:36:46.180 But that just brings the conversation to an end quickly.

01:36:50.680 But if you can learn to step back, calm down, and try to diffuse the anger, and you can do it within a few ways.

01:37:03.400 There are people who just, so for instance, I actually ended up marrying, my husband was one of these Twitter friends who started out as this angry, sort of insulting effort.

01:37:15.020 Wow.

01:37:17.060 We just got married seven months ago.

01:37:18.840 Congratulations.

01:37:20.580 Thank you.

01:37:21.720 But so what he would do, for instance, he would tell a joke or recommend a book or start talking about music.

01:37:28.400 He would sort of turn away from the hostility for a minute and then come back to it later.

01:37:35.600 You don't necessarily, I mean, that can be a last resort.

01:37:39.880 A lot of times, just staying calm and speaking as if you're addressing a friend and not somebody that you hate and that you despise, that you can't stand to hear their words.

01:37:50.960 It helps so much to keep the conversation going.

01:37:57.160 Step four.

01:37:59.440 Step four is make the argument.

01:38:01.940 And this one seems obvious, but there's this argument that seems to have taken hold on both the left and the right, and I think it stems from the hopelessness you mentioned earlier.

01:38:13.380 Oh, they're just too far gone.

01:38:14.960 They can't be reasoned with.

01:38:16.520 But where does that lead us?

01:38:18.320 It leaves us at loggerheads, deadlocked, and no one wants to be there.

01:38:23.220 So, you make the argument because they don't understand, your opponent doesn't necessarily understand your thinking and the way that you're approaching the problem.

01:38:34.420 And by making the argument, if you fail to do that, you're definitely not going to change someone's mind.

01:38:39.780 You actually have to articulate the reasoning and the thought process behind your position.

01:38:45.560 And there's actually a fifth point that I would have included if I had enough time.

01:38:49.760 Should I tell you now?

01:38:50.540 Yeah, yeah, go.

01:38:51.400 We're breaking news here.

01:38:52.540 The fifth point in Megan Phelps' TED Talk.

01:38:56.000 Go ahead.

01:38:57.100 It's take heart.

01:38:59.820 Changing hearts and minds is incremental work, and it takes patience and persistence.

01:39:05.100 And you're not going to see results necessarily immediately, not right away.

01:39:10.380 But we can't give up.

01:39:13.060 And you might not be the person to persuade somebody else to turn away from a bad position,

01:39:18.340 but every interaction is an opportunity to help turn the tide.

01:39:22.800 So, stay the course, trust the process, and take heart.

01:39:26.660 How many people were like this to you?

01:39:29.980 Well, the ones who had the biggest impact, I mean, a handful who were engaging me continually over the course of a couple of years.

01:39:42.300 But considering I'd been in the church, I'd been raised in this, and I was 24 when I got on Twitter.

01:39:47.680 So, I was, again, marinating in this ideology, in this way of thinking.

01:39:52.140 And so, the fact that it only took a couple of years to really affect me and affect how I saw things, I think that's pretty remarkable.

01:39:59.520 So, did your husband, was there a time when your husband, who is now your husband, was he falling in love with you at the time?

01:40:10.120 Did that happen later?

01:40:11.360 Did he say, I can't believe I'm saying this to you?

01:40:14.360 I mean, how did that happen?

01:40:16.080 Well, it's a really strange dynamic, because obviously, I was at the church, and at Westboro, you could only marry somebody who's in the church.

01:40:26.180 So, we were having these discussions, and there was nothing, it was like a Jane Austen novel, like nothing overt.

01:40:31.860 Like, we couldn't say how we were feeling to each other, because it just wasn't acceptable.

01:40:36.840 And he sensed that, but he also, again, saw that I was a human being,

01:40:43.160 and he came to believe that I had a good heart.

01:40:46.560 So, would this have worked without love?

01:40:52.560 Well, I think, well, so here's the thing.

01:40:56.300 Yes, I believe so.

01:40:58.360 And the reason is that the very first interaction was with a friend.

01:41:03.240 I mentioned him in the talk, too, Julicious, his name is David Abbott Ball.

01:41:07.760 And so, I think I was talking with him for a little over a year.

01:41:12.000 And again, he's asking these questions.

01:41:14.260 And in the course of asking these questions, he was the one who found the first bit of internal inconsistency in Westboro's doctrines.

01:41:25.500 And when I look back at how I responded to that, so my husband, I didn't actually start speaking to him for months after that.

01:41:32.160 But when I think about how I responded to that first bit of internal inconsistency,

01:41:38.080 that was when I first started to challenge, in my own mind, Westboro's doctrines.

01:41:45.320 And you didn't let him know that?

01:41:47.760 No, for sure.

01:41:48.760 As soon as he made that point, I was actually terrified to speak to him again.

01:41:52.420 I didn't even let on that I recognized that he was right.

01:41:55.560 I just stopped speaking to him.

01:41:56.660 What was the point, if you don't mind me asking?

01:41:59.180 Oh, yeah.

01:41:59.800 No, not at all.

01:42:00.780 It was a sign that we had that said, death penalty for fags.

01:42:06.900 Oh, my God.

01:42:07.180 And, yeah.

01:42:08.900 So, of course, we used, you know, the verses in Leviticus and then also in Romans 1 that talk about how, you know, gays are worthy of death.

01:42:15.840 And he brought up, so he's Jewish, I was really surprised that he brought up Jesus saying, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

01:42:24.760 And I didn't, I just had never connected that that was talking about the death penalty.

01:42:29.240 And we thought, we're not casting stones.

01:42:34.120 We're just preaching words.

01:42:35.980 And David said, yeah, but you're advocating that the government cast stones.

01:42:40.600 And so that, when I brought that point to other members of the church, the response was just to double down.

01:42:46.280 They never addressed the passage that, you know, that contradicted us.

01:42:50.920 They just reiterated the passages that supported us.

01:42:53.220 And so that was the first time that, and the way that I reconciled it in my own mind was I just stopped holding the sign because I didn't know how to defend it anymore.

01:43:02.020 And I didn't believe it.

01:43:03.380 Did they tell you to stop talking to these people?

01:43:07.260 Uh, there, I don't think, I don't think people quite realized how much, I mean, they knew I was very active on Twitter, but I don't think they realized how much it was affecting the way that I was thinking.

01:43:19.340 And I honestly didn't, I didn't understand it either, because in my mind, I was sort of in, I think I was in denial about it, because I, I, the church, at the church, you're, you, you are not supposed to be impacted by other people.

01:43:34.260 You're, you are not supposed to be anything but preaching to them.

01:43:38.240 You're not supposed to really, you know, care, I was going to say care about them.

01:43:42.840 It's, it's a very strange dynamic, but I was, I was in denial about it, and I think that definitely helped it seem to others as if it wasn't really having an impact on me also.

01:43:52.880 Is anybody in your family speaking with you?

01:43:55.520 Do you have a relationship with anybody anymore in the family?

01:43:59.560 Not anybody in the church, no.

01:44:01.240 No, but there, there has been, over the last decade or so, um, about 20 or so people who have either left or been kicked out of Westboro, and my brother actually, with the morning of my high school graduation, he's a year and a half older than me, we woke up and went down, went downstairs, and all of his stuff was gone.

01:44:21.060 And so I have, I didn't get to speak with him for the eight and a half years between when he left and when I left, um, but now we're really good friends, and he's wonderful.

01:44:32.060 What was he thrown out for?

01:44:34.240 No, he left, actually.

01:44:35.440 Oh, he left on his own.

01:44:36.840 Okay.

01:44:37.060 Yeah, at 19, yeah, he, he also had, yeah, scriptural objections, um, to some things, and also just the extreme, he objected to the extreme level of control, because everybody in the church, we, we all live within, lived within two blocks or so of one another, and did everything together, and, and we're, you know, not, obviously, developing relationships with people outside, but the level of control is, is really, really, really extreme.

01:45:04.420 Do they, um, um, do you think this will just die out as the family dies out, or?

01:45:11.120 I, I'm actually, I thought about this, my sister and I would talk about this, about how could the church end in a way that didn't just destroy everybody, you know, on the, on the inside.

01:45:22.060 Um, there, there's still about the same level of membership as there has been, because, you know, a few people, a few new converts have joined, and then, of course, my generation is now, uh, they're having kids.

01:45:34.420 It's, but there's, there's not many, um, I do.

01:45:39.040 How do, what kind of people join, what kind of people join this?

01:45:42.460 They really believe it?

01:45:44.300 The newcomers that came in, were they?

01:45:46.700 It's one thing to be raised in it, but to be converted as an adult.

01:45:49.720 Yeah, decent people?

01:45:52.160 Yeah, so, honestly, I've, I've speculated about this, too.

01:45:56.500 So, I mean, so, for instance, my dad, my dad joined the church long before the picketing started.

01:46:00.240 He was only 16 at the time, and, you know, his family wasn't, uh, I mean, his mom had been divorced, and I don't think he, he was attracted to the, the love and unity and connection, um, I think, in my family, um, in the Phelps family, I mean.

01:46:17.340 And, and I think that's a draw for some people, and, and it really lends credence to the idea that they're doing what they're doing out of love, out of, you know, good intentions.

01:46:27.120 Um, and again, some people just, I think, are drawn to that, the sense of, the idea of having all the answers, and knowing for sure what you believe, and how you're supposed to live.

01:46:41.740 Like, it's, that was such a powerful thing, and when, when I left and realized, like, I, I don't, I don't have that anymore.

01:46:48.620 I, I don't have that sense of, it's a very comforting sense of certainty, and, you know, nuance, and questions, and, and uncertainty are, are a lot more difficult to deal with.

01:47:01.080 I think some people are attracted to that part of the church.

01:47:03.120 Next time they're out protesting, what should people do?

01:47:05.760 I think engaging at protests is actually not a very effective thing, because they're, on, on ticket lines, they are already in these attack, defend mindsets.

01:47:18.760 I think, I think the internet is a much, you know, Twitter, there's a lot of them on Twitter now.

01:47:23.800 Um, I think that's a more, more effective way of engaging.

01:47:26.660 But, if you, if you do see them, and if you are moved to go and speak to them, just remember that, that responding with, you know, yelling and name calling, all those things, it, it, it just reinforces what they already believe.

01:47:42.700 It's, it's, it's, it's adding to, you know, their certainty that they're doing the right thing.

01:47:47.880 Um, it, it is really, um, it's really great to talk to you.

01:47:53.140 Um, Megan Phelps Roper, you can find her at Megan Phelps, it's her Twitter handle, at Megan Phelps.

01:47:59.640 Um, really great to talk to you, and thank you for sharing this, and I think you have an important voice that needs to be heard.

01:48:07.000 And I will say, Megan, would you, would you confirm this?

01:48:09.840 Because we got the fifth point out of you, we are 25% better than your TED Talk.

01:48:15.360 Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:48:17.920 Megan, can we ask, can we pay you an offhanded compliment?

01:48:21.960 Stu wanted to say this.

01:48:22.820 We said it in the break.

01:48:24.380 Um, and it's weird, because it is exactly what we're talking about.

01:48:28.620 We don't know each other.

01:48:30.100 We don't talk to each other.

01:48:31.900 We look at people in the Westboro Baptist Church and think that their kids just must be dumb as a box of rocks and just oatmeal.

01:48:40.500 Every answer is oatmeal.

01:48:41.840 Uh, and you're so articulate.

01:48:46.240 I mean, it's, it's amazing to, to, to have, have that view shattered.

01:48:53.040 Thank you.

01:48:55.360 I, I will say, I mean, another thing that's not so well known about the church, their, education was really important in my family.

01:49:02.320 Most of the people there, I mean, they, my, many lawyers, people who work in healthcare and IT, and, and they're very well educated, which is partly, I think, what makes it so much more difficult for them to see outside of it.

01:49:15.420 This is a, like a psychological thing where, by, by having these very strong, um, mostly internally consistent arguments, um, they, they think they're, they're so certain that they don't even question the, they don't even question it.

01:49:32.200 Amazing.

01:49:32.580 But, yeah, anyway.

01:49:33.480 Thank you so much.

01:49:34.280 At Megan Phelps.

01:49:35.620 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:49:36.620 Appreciate it.

01:49:37.600 Thank you.

01:49:38.100 Thank you for having me.

01:49:38.840 You bet.

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01:51:07.800 You're listening to The Glenn Beck Program.

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01:51:18.000 You ever gotten a Lifetime Achievement Award, Pat?

01:51:21.700 Lifetime Achievement Award.

01:51:23.020 You ever gotten one?

01:51:24.000 No.

01:51:24.200 When do you expect to get a Lifetime Achievement Award?

01:51:26.440 Like, towards the end of your life, right?

01:51:28.600 Yeah.

01:51:28.860 Your retirement age at least.

01:51:30.760 You're an older person, and you're like, ah, the industry wants to recognize you because you've had a lifetime of achievement.

01:51:39.160 I don't want to be critical, but you do have to achieve something.

01:51:41.640 Yes.

01:51:42.240 But usually you will over a lifetime.

01:51:45.700 Chelsea Clinton just got her Lifetime Achievement Award.

01:51:50.000 Yeah.

01:51:51.560 For a while.

01:51:52.340 Well, it's about humanitarian work.

01:51:54.640 Uh, Heat Street writes, uh, because she's vice chair of the Clinton Foundation, a foundation she only works for because her parents founded to keep their wealth flowing in the years they don't spend for running for public office.

01:52:05.840 Her other endeavors, authoring books that don't sell, being snarky on Twitter, and serving on the board of several large-scale tech firms operated by major Democratic donors, were oddly left out of her official biography.

01:52:17.620 But congratulations on her.

01:52:19.180 Yeah.

01:52:20.200 Lifetime Achievement.

01:52:21.280 Wow, Lifetime.

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