The Glenn Beck Program - 4⧸4⧸17 - Online Privacy, Hollywood and Politics with Cullen Hoback and Mark Duplass＂

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00:00:05.040 Scientists admit first baby with three parents was lucky not to be a mutant baby with faulty DNA.

00:00:12.680 Okay, that's probably something that as a parent I should have known in advance.

00:00:19.120 By the way, your kid could be a lizard kid. I'm just saying.

00:00:24.720 Billy Graham is under fire.

00:00:28.280 Billy Graham. How could Billy Graham be under fire?

00:00:32.100 Nobody's seen Billy Graham in a while.

00:00:35.120 His rules for marriage under fire.

00:00:38.600 This is the Mike Pence argument that happened last week.

00:00:43.100 Let's get into that beginning right now.

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00:01:16.300 The debate over Mike Pence and his personal policy of not eating dinner alone with a member of the opposite sex has created quite a stir in America.

00:01:29.120 Because, you know, we don't have anything important going on, right?

00:01:32.260 I mean, this is the most important thing we could argue about.

00:01:35.700 Let's keep things into perspective.

00:01:38.780 The thing we have to argue about is Mike Pence.

00:01:42.580 Mike Pence is not the guy who created the policy.

00:01:45.900 It was crafted back in the 1940s.

00:01:51.120 And it's known as the Billy Graham rule.

00:01:54.880 Named after Billy Graham, the evangelist who followed the same standard in his own life and ministry.

00:02:01.460 Graham is to say is is is said to have drafted the rule in 1948 as part of a four pronged moral approach to ministry.

00:02:08.980 It was important to uphold the highest standard of biblical morality and integrity, according to Billy Graham in 1948.

00:02:17.860 The rules of the Billy Graham rule in his book.

00:02:22.740 Just as I am.

00:02:24.140 We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel.

00:02:29.420 We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would even have the appearance of compromise and suspicion.

00:02:36.180 From that day on, I did not travel, meet or eat alone with any woman other than my wife.

00:02:42.400 Let's just start on that one.

00:02:44.000 Why is that one so bad?

00:02:49.140 Especially listen to this.

00:02:51.640 What did he what what what did he say?

00:02:54.440 We all know of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel.

00:02:59.860 So trying to take a step to solve that problem.

00:03:01.920 Not only that, wanting to make it, we pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would even have the appearance of compromise or suspicion.

00:03:12.180 We all know that because of what happened in the 80s and 90s with, you know, Jim Baker and all of that stuff that evangelists started to look like scumbags.

00:03:24.940 All of them were dirt bags back in the 90s.

00:03:28.260 It felt like every single guy who was a priest or a pastor was a dirt bag.

00:03:34.220 The documentary Fletch really covered that.

00:03:36.440 That's not really pretty, pretty well.

00:03:37.960 No, that's not really a documentary.

00:03:40.820 So what did he what is he doing now?

00:03:43.620 He's saying this in 1948 when apparently they were having problems with it, too.

00:03:46.740 And he said, let's just avoid all appearance.

00:03:48.460 Well, that's to restore the honor and the integrity of people of the cloth.

00:03:56.140 Is there anything wrong with that?

00:03:59.460 So, I mean, I can tell you, obviously, the left has lots of problems with this.

00:04:03.720 Of course they do.

00:04:04.540 And, you know, I mean, you can make an argument, right?

00:04:07.820 I mean, in this in his standard is actually tougher than the Pence standard because it was not meat or eat.

00:04:13.080 Right.

00:04:13.600 The Graham's standard was not even meat.

00:04:15.220 Meat or eat alone with any woman other than my wife.

00:04:18.980 I mean, that's even that's even more strict than what Pence was saying.

00:04:21.900 Snarky article about how insulting that is.

00:04:24.780 An insulting view of men in a limiting role for women.

00:04:27.780 We're either there to entice or domesticate.

00:04:31.460 That's not the point.

00:04:33.000 It's no, it's the appearance.

00:04:34.320 It's avoid the appearance.

00:04:35.240 And also the temptation.

00:04:36.980 Avoid any of those things.

00:04:38.120 And it's also to avoid, it's also to avoid the situation that someone can say something happened in a meeting that didn't happen.

00:04:48.140 Right.

00:04:48.760 Yeah.

00:04:49.140 I mean, there's certainly an understandable thing to protect yourself from.

00:04:53.480 We've seen, you know, obviously many high profile people have been in situations where they've been accused of things which they say.

00:05:00.440 I mean, who knows what the truth is, but they say they didn't do.

00:05:03.300 Certainly some of those stories are true.

00:05:05.880 Let's take it this way.

00:05:09.000 Is Roger Ailes, did Roger Ailes go after these women at Fox?

00:05:14.360 I mean, I don't know.

00:05:15.360 We don't know.

00:05:16.020 It seems.

00:05:17.000 Seems what?

00:05:18.420 We don't know.

00:05:19.320 Yeah, we don't know.

00:05:20.000 There's a lot of people accusing him of doing that.

00:05:22.180 And the company paid out millions and millions of dollars.

00:05:24.360 So.

00:05:24.700 Okay.

00:05:24.900 So now next level.

00:05:26.900 Is there a possibility that he did some of these and he didn't do others?

00:05:31.600 Yes.

00:05:32.520 Sure.

00:05:32.920 Of course.

00:05:33.240 So if he had this standard, would that have happened?

00:05:39.400 No, because he wouldn't have been alone with him.

00:05:41.720 I mean, it could have happened, but it would have been there would have been less evidence.

00:05:45.340 It would have been less people probably would have believed it.

00:05:48.120 You know, we have no idea.

00:05:50.080 Like, I have no personal knowledge of him ever having a personal meeting with one of these women.

00:05:53.960 Nope.

00:05:54.600 So they could obviously say that that happened anyway.

00:05:57.100 But you're right.

00:05:57.600 Like, if he was known for having a lot of these private meetings, it would be more believable in the company that these things occurred.

00:06:03.160 Right.

00:06:03.320 Sure.

00:06:04.120 You know, I think like there is there's a line there.

00:06:06.240 First of all, with the idea of doing it for appearance sake, which is, you know, it's not that's on you.

00:06:13.600 If you have an you have an inaccurate belief of what's happening in my life and you decide to judge it that way, that's not on me.

00:06:21.400 Now, I have to deal with the consequences if everyone believes some lie.

00:06:24.680 Right.

00:06:25.580 But it's not on it's not my fault to it's not my responsibility to craft what your opinion is of me.

00:06:33.820 It is not that is on you.

00:06:35.640 If you decide to believe things that aren't true for whatever reason, because you think I'm having dinner with somebody, that's really not my fault.

00:06:43.540 So I can understand that being, you know, an argument.

00:06:47.140 And I'm from the left side.

00:06:48.900 And I make this as a little bit of a devil's advocate point.

00:06:52.160 The left is saying, look, we all know.

00:06:55.100 And this is true that if you're a guy and you get a chance to be, you know, alone with a boss and make your case, you have a you have a good chance, a chance of improving.

00:07:03.700 Also, by the way, blowing your career up.

00:07:05.360 Sometimes I mean, those meetings happen to where you have this nice big meeting and you come up with this great idea.

00:07:09.220 And they're like, that's the dumbest idea in the world.

00:07:10.840 But that moment is important, especially as you're coming up in a company.

00:07:14.060 If you if you're able to impress a boss in a one on one situation, that could be big for your career.

00:07:18.240 And what women are arguing is, wait a minute, guys can do that with you.

00:07:22.160 But I can't.

00:07:23.420 You don't have to go to dinner to do that.

00:07:25.220 You can do that at the office, although that can't happen.

00:07:27.540 Billy Graham's rule.

00:07:28.340 You wouldn't be able to do it at the office.

00:07:29.780 But Pence's rule, he did just say it was dinner.

00:07:32.340 However, I mean, but business gets done in this country over dinner and drinks all the time.

00:07:36.840 You know, that's very common.

00:07:38.740 So if you if the guy can go out with you now, it's one thing if you say I'm never meeting with anyone one on one.

00:07:44.420 But if you say I'm I'm I'm going to meet with guys one on one and I'm not going to meet with women one on one.

00:07:49.940 No, I think that's wrong.

00:07:51.000 They can say that.

00:07:51.940 I mean, I think that's I think you can't say as a as a boss.

00:07:56.820 Hey, you know what, Bill, we've got some work to do.

00:07:58.860 Let's just go grab a beer.

00:08:00.220 Let's do this after dinner and not do that with women.

00:08:03.040 I don't think I think that sets an unfair balance because there is bonding.

00:08:09.180 You know, hey, you know what?

00:08:09.960 Let's just go play a round of golf.

00:08:11.860 Just the two of us.

00:08:12.720 Let's go play a round of golf.

00:08:13.680 I don't that if you won't play golf with everybody, then you shouldn't play golf with anyone.

00:08:20.500 I mean, I don't think that's the I don't think that's the Pence standard or most people that defended the Pence standard were arguing because I think I don't think that's I can see how that is perceived as unfair.

00:08:32.000 Look, you're going to go out and bond with somebody and you're not giving me the chance to bond with you.

00:08:40.680 And and when it comes to executive level positions, it really is about who you can bond with and who you can trust.

00:08:49.880 Now, I don't need to play a round of golf.

00:08:52.220 I don't need to go have a private dinner with somebody.

00:08:54.620 I mean, is there a guy that you know of that has hired more women as executives than me?

00:09:00.560 No, many.

00:09:02.060 Yeah.

00:09:02.640 And you obviously have met with all of them at one time or another.

00:09:06.880 You have to you have to have a special when you're hiring someone to a big position that you trust.

00:09:11.140 You want to have a one on one conversation.

00:09:12.620 I would never travel.

00:09:15.040 For instance, my assistant, Michelle, I wouldn't travel alone with Michelle, just the two of us going out for, you know, hey, I got to go to San Francisco.

00:09:23.840 Michelle, just the two of us.

00:09:25.460 Would you would you invite a woman out to dinner?

00:09:28.220 Just the two of you?

00:09:29.180 I can't imagine that.

00:09:30.920 Would you do that?

00:09:31.600 No, because I will.

00:09:32.380 I don't do that with anybody anyway, because my wife is.

00:09:35.180 But again, you also are.

00:09:36.840 I mean, there's nothing wrong with taking your wife on on this trip with you, with another woman and giving her a promotion then.

00:09:45.020 But like what you're saying to the woman is that we have to have a chaperone.

00:09:47.860 I can't have a I can't have a moment with you like where, you know, there are moments in one on one where, yes, there are moments where one on one also creates sex, which is obviously the point here.

00:09:58.140 However, there are a lot of moments where one on one might create a real trust in a business relationship.

00:10:03.140 And the fact that you have somebody else at the dinner.

00:10:05.060 You do that at the office.

00:10:06.080 You can always do that at the office.

00:10:07.780 You don't have to do that at the dinner.

00:10:08.380 So Pat and I, Pat and I, I would never do it.

00:10:10.480 I started watching a movie.

00:10:11.500 We have Mark DePlace on today, who is great.

00:10:14.860 He's an independent filmmaker, but he also.

00:10:17.040 You probably know him from The League, if you've ever watched The League on FX.

00:10:20.460 He's like the main character of that show.

00:10:22.160 All right.

00:10:22.340 So he's he's brilliant.

00:10:23.820 He did a movie called Blue Jay.

00:10:25.980 Now, he's just done a three movie deal with Netflix where I don't even think they asked him for.

00:10:34.540 I don't even think they asked him for the movies.

00:10:36.600 It is like, here's money.

00:10:38.060 Go make three movies.

00:10:39.300 It is really brilliant.

00:10:41.140 Watch this movie.

00:10:42.320 Blue Jay started watching it last night, and it is brilliant, really brilliant.

00:10:46.820 And it's about two people that were teenage, you know, love story.

00:10:52.780 And have just loved each other.

00:10:55.060 They're in their 40s now, and they still love each other, but hadn't seen each other for 25 years.

00:11:01.140 And there is some tension between them.

00:11:03.980 Something happened, and that's what broke them up.

00:11:06.880 And so it chronicles their 24 hours together of meeting again.

00:11:11.640 And the whole time, you're thinking, OK, all right, she's married.

00:11:16.700 He's not.

00:11:17.260 You're like, OK, this isn't good.

00:11:18.660 You want to come back to the house?

00:11:20.180 No, you're thinking, no, don't, don't, don't do that.

00:11:23.160 And she is really, really strong.

00:11:25.840 She's like, he tries to kiss her, and she says, no, blah, blah, blah.

00:11:29.560 And it's really, it's, but at the end, because there is something between them, they do, they do start to fool around.

00:11:38.200 Now, she stops, but they do start to fool around.

00:11:42.460 Who couldn't see that coming?

00:11:43.680 Now, I'm not saying that every man and woman have that attraction to each other.

00:11:48.080 I mean, ladies, I know.

00:11:50.300 With you, they do.

00:11:50.920 With me, they do.

00:11:51.920 It's unquestioned.

00:11:53.340 Your physique, and I mean, there's so many different reasons.

00:11:56.160 The abs.

00:11:57.200 The abs.

00:11:57.800 Just the abs.

00:11:58.620 Even if they don't see your face, they're going to see the abs.

00:12:00.900 Seriously?

00:12:01.820 You can see my abs through my shirt, and I don't mean to.

00:12:06.240 No, you don't mean to do that.

00:12:07.020 It's just that they're so big, they're pushing out and kind of stretching the buttons.

00:12:11.500 Yeah, it's weird.

00:12:12.580 I didn't know that was an ab, but it's one ab, isn't it?

00:12:15.380 I have one ab.

00:12:15.560 Okay.

00:12:15.840 I have one big ab.

00:12:16.640 Yeah, one giant ab.

00:12:17.940 That's interesting.

00:12:18.780 And a belly button in the middle of it.

00:12:22.740 So, you know, not everybody has that, but that is part of life, that there is the attraction.

00:12:31.120 Of course.

00:12:31.400 Especially when you're going down the same path, you're on the same kind of career course.

00:12:37.420 You know, et cetera, et cetera.

00:12:38.460 That stuff does happen.

00:12:40.100 And you should obviously be careful with that, right?

00:12:42.340 Yes.

00:12:42.560 I mean, you know, especially with a person in that area.

00:12:46.220 But, I mean, like, having dinner with some business associate one-on-one, you know, talking about an important business deal.

00:12:54.420 I mean, that's, like, I, just you guys.

00:12:57.680 Like, I mean, you guys are not doing it, and I think the criticism of this idea is ridiculous, right?

00:13:02.660 I mean, like, it's a typical stupid blown up in the media left-wing story.

00:13:06.620 So, I'm not giving it any credence.

00:13:08.420 But, like, if you guys went out with a female executive for dinner, nothing's going to happen.

00:13:14.040 Because you don't want it to happen.

00:13:15.200 It's about you making the choice and her making the choice.

00:13:17.860 Yeah, she's vomiting.

00:13:18.560 Whoever she is.

00:13:19.040 Right?

00:13:19.280 She's disgusted.

00:13:20.420 So, she's out.

00:13:21.280 Yeah, she's out.

00:13:21.420 But even if you wanted to be in, you would still stop yourself.

00:13:23.840 Right.

00:13:24.020 Because that's what your gig is.

00:13:25.900 Right.

00:13:26.180 You take your marriage seriously.

00:13:28.140 If, before another, she fell and her eyes started to see something that looked appetizing in me, she still would be out.

00:13:36.400 Right.

00:13:36.760 But.

00:13:37.880 But that's on you.

00:13:39.140 Right.

00:13:39.340 Right.

00:13:39.620 But here's the thing.

00:13:40.700 The appearance.

00:13:42.500 The appearance.

00:13:43.280 But that's on me.

00:13:44.300 I mean, like, the appearance.

00:13:45.520 You're doing it for other eyes.

00:13:46.840 No, it's not.

00:13:47.140 It's on society.

00:13:47.660 You're doing it.

00:13:48.200 But there's nothing wrong with it.

00:13:48.580 Now, you as a celebrity, I understand that, right?

00:13:50.760 Because people might take pictures of you.

00:13:52.680 Who's this person, Glenn Beck's with?

00:13:54.000 I get that at some level.

00:13:55.320 No, but wait.

00:13:55.720 But for the average person, I don't think.

00:13:56.820 I take this back to, because this is not just about women.

00:14:02.080 I take this back to drinks.

00:14:05.380 I'm an alcoholic.

00:14:06.980 I never go to a cocktail party and ask for a glass of water.

00:14:12.520 I ask for a bottle of water.

00:14:14.440 If they don't have a bottle of water, I won't have water.

00:14:17.440 I do not want a glass with ice in it and clear liquid.

00:14:21.040 I want a bottle of water.

00:14:24.060 Now, what's the problem with that?

00:14:26.880 There's no problem with it.

00:14:27.760 However, there are two things.

00:14:29.180 A, you are a celebrity.

00:14:31.100 And if someone saw you with a clear glass of liquid, they might accuse you.

00:14:33.940 And probably would.

00:14:35.260 You'd be on Breitbart in about 10 minutes.

00:14:37.060 Hang on.

00:14:37.400 Difference between...

00:14:38.120 Tell me the difference between a celebrity where somebody's going to take a picture of me

00:14:42.980 and put it out there and blah, blah, blah.

00:14:45.200 And me as just an average Joe...

00:14:49.300 Because nobody cares.

00:14:50.680 Oh, that's not true.

00:14:52.140 You've never been around gossipy people in church.

00:14:54.780 Sure.

00:14:55.160 You've never been around gossipy people in the office.

00:14:57.360 The ramifications are a completely different scale.

00:15:01.180 Right?

00:15:01.380 I mean, like, you're a...

00:15:02.240 You know, people...

00:15:03.480 But so is your life.

00:15:04.600 Is it a different scale?

00:15:05.600 I mean, it's still your life.

00:15:07.340 Yes.

00:15:07.800 However, what was it?

00:15:09.360 A million retweets when someone saw you in a scarf?

00:15:13.420 You were...

00:15:14.040 Okay, yeah.

00:15:14.660 You woke Glenn Beck and all of a sudden you were like the number one trending thing on

00:15:18.200 Twitter because you wore a stupid scarf one day or an ascot, whatever the heck it was.

00:15:22.260 It wasn't an ascot.

00:15:24.480 I only say ascot because I know you hate it.

00:15:27.780 But I mean, again, like, so there is a different scale there.

00:15:31.160 But does scale matter?

00:15:33.880 Does scale matter?

00:15:35.020 Ask Jeffy's house in this poor bathroom.

00:15:37.080 All right.

00:15:39.200 When it comes to flushing, yes, it does.

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00:16:07.080 Just a real quick personal note for all those.

00:16:10.780 And thank you so much for praying for Tanya over the last couple of weeks.

00:16:14.580 Tanya was diagnosed with trigeminal nerve disorder.

00:16:19.440 And it has been excruciatingly painful.

00:16:24.300 And to watch my wife like that for two weeks has just been horrid.

00:16:29.420 And Friday we were praying and just felt like that isn't it.

00:16:38.480 There's more to it.

00:16:39.820 And on Sunday she said, I think I have to go to the dentist again.

00:16:45.680 And the dentist had already.

00:16:47.480 She goes into the dentist and it is a dead root that was into her trigeminal nerve.

00:16:55.000 And she had to have a root canal yesterday.

00:16:58.620 And fixed it.

00:17:00.800 Wow.

00:17:01.140 That's great.

00:17:01.920 I've never been so...

00:17:02.800 I mean, she was on the phone and she's like,

00:17:04.640 I've got a root canal.

00:17:06.380 I'm like, good for you.

00:17:09.360 So it was really...

00:17:11.060 A root canal never been to relief.

00:17:12.500 I've never been happy to have somebody have a root canal.

00:17:15.580 And so thank you for your prayers.

00:17:17.460 And this too has passed.

00:17:20.920 So a couple of tweets coming in on our conversation.

00:17:23.880 Listening to you talk now, the issue is women could never have that rule.

00:17:27.540 They wouldn't have jobs or promotions.

00:17:30.460 You could get a promotion without going to dinner with somebody.

00:17:33.040 You don't have to go to dinner to give somebody a promotion.

00:17:35.980 Since when does it have to be a dinner?

00:17:38.160 Right.

00:17:38.360 And I just think that...

00:17:39.580 What if it's like a bed conversation?

00:17:43.240 Do you have to come into my bed and we'll do it there?

00:17:46.140 I mean, what the hell?

00:17:46.920 What is that?

00:17:47.680 I mean, but a lot of...

00:17:48.780 It does.

00:17:49.720 Dinner meetings are very standard fare.

00:17:52.800 They are very standard fare.

00:17:53.420 I think it's that standard.

00:17:55.000 I think it is.

00:17:55.560 Do it in the office.

00:17:56.920 Big deal.

00:17:58.320 The marriage is more important than the job.

00:18:00.180 And if you don't like that, you know, tough.

00:18:03.240 Yeah, but here's the thing.

00:18:04.860 You should have a consistent rule.

00:18:07.560 I mean, it's 2017.

00:18:10.720 You're going out with a...

00:18:12.060 You very likely could go out to dinner with a gay man.

00:18:15.100 Is that okay?

00:18:16.880 What about a straight man?

00:18:18.840 What about a man who's still questioning?

00:18:21.020 Is that okay?

00:18:21.760 Why not just no dinner alone with anyone?

00:18:26.120 That's the way it should be.

00:18:27.660 We should probably all consider no dinner at all, honestly.

00:18:30.980 For a long time.

00:18:33.320 Six months.

00:18:33.940 For about 40 pounds.

00:18:35.340 Uh-huh.

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00:18:48.100 Hello and welcome to the program.

00:18:49.540 So glad that you are here today.

00:18:52.940 Thanks a lot.

00:18:53.560 There's something that is a fascinating character trait of Pat that I just figured out, and I think we've all come to this conclusion, that Pat, if he hears one little fact about something that is really usually not that interesting, he will go down a rabbit hole.

00:19:15.120 Oh, yeah.

00:19:15.860 And he'll just continue to dig and dig and dig.

00:19:19.800 It's actually funny and enjoying.

00:19:21.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:22.000 He did this with Foreigner, and it doesn't really ever merit any fruit.

00:19:28.040 There's just never, there's never something.

00:19:30.500 I don't know.

00:19:30.960 I disagree with this analysis.

00:19:31.960 I find it interesting, because what you get.

00:19:33.660 It bears really good fruit.

00:19:34.900 Yeah.

00:19:35.640 Fascinating facts.

00:19:36.680 Well, nothing ever really changes.

00:19:38.520 Like, Foreigner is still not in the rock and roll.

00:19:41.280 He hasn't changed the world, necessarily, for these moments.

00:19:43.820 But it does improve my life a little bit, because what happens is, a name that maybe Pat hasn't thought about in a while, or never heard of, gets into the Pat Gray lexicon.

00:19:52.160 And then, he will spend every free moment for about a week.

00:19:56.380 Who is the singer?

00:19:58.440 The most recent example of this is Ed Sheeran, which Pat had never heard of about three weeks ago, and we brought him up in a random conversation.

00:20:06.960 In the makeup room.

00:20:07.960 Yeah, in the makeup room.

00:20:08.640 Right before the show.

00:20:09.480 Which is where you, maybe that is a good place for them to come up.

00:20:11.540 That's where boys talk.

00:20:12.480 That's where boys talk.

00:20:13.080 Right.

00:20:13.540 Getting makeup done.

00:20:14.220 And by the way, we never allow a woman in the makeup room.

00:20:16.720 Right.

00:20:17.120 Whenever.

00:20:17.680 Not alone.

00:20:18.380 Not alone.

00:20:18.660 So, I don't know what they have a business doing in the makeup room in the first place.

00:20:23.700 Thank you.

00:20:24.340 After we've showered and they're applying makeup.

00:20:26.720 Anyway, go ahead.

00:20:28.920 So, we brought up Ed Sheeran.

00:20:31.380 You know, if you don't know who he is, he's a big star.

00:20:34.080 A huge star.

00:20:34.800 Makes something like $60 million a year.

00:20:36.800 He's like number 30 or 40 on the Forbes celebrity list.

00:20:40.260 Huge amount of money.

00:20:42.240 Or maybe it's even higher than that.

00:20:43.460 Yeah, that's what started the story.

00:20:44.840 Because Ed was saying that he made all this money, and he wasn't giving his friends money.

00:20:48.660 Oh yeah, the friends were bugging him for money.

00:20:51.980 And I'm like, who's Ed Sheeran?

00:20:53.440 Right.

00:20:53.640 Why does he have money?

00:20:54.300 Why does he have money?

00:20:55.680 So, but what happens, the fruit of this is every day for about a week, you realize that

00:21:00.840 Pat has spent at least an hour on the internet researching this person, and he comes in with

00:21:05.400 this is all he's thinking about.

00:21:07.020 He goes on one track mind mode, and every day he comes in with these little nuggets of

00:21:11.420 information that are really interesting about the person.

00:21:13.920 But it changes his lexicon.

00:21:15.560 It changes his lexicon.

00:21:18.660 Like, did you know?

00:21:19.900 Did you know that Ed Sheeran slept with many people in Taylor Swift's squad?

00:21:26.060 Legitimately.

00:21:26.800 I didn't know that.

00:21:27.640 I didn't know she had a squad.

00:21:29.320 It's true.

00:21:29.640 Oh yeah, she does.

00:21:30.180 Apparently not Taylor herself, but a lot of the squad he's been with.

00:21:33.680 Yeah.

00:21:34.160 He got with them.

00:21:34.980 And I mean this seriously.

00:21:36.280 That was like the first sentence Pat said to me one day.

00:21:39.420 Was what the sentence you just heard.

00:21:41.040 Right.

00:21:41.220 Out of Pat Gray's mouth talking about Taylor Swift's squad with the word squad utilized.

00:21:46.580 And then I realized apparently squad is a thing now, right?

00:21:49.440 Right.

00:21:49.520 It used to be posse.

00:21:50.780 Right.

00:21:51.080 Now it's squad.

00:21:52.460 Right.

00:21:52.620 So you're still learning.

00:21:54.900 I'm still learning.

00:21:55.640 I'm still learning.

00:21:56.400 That's great.

00:21:56.880 Yeah.

00:21:57.180 It is really continuing education.

00:22:00.020 It really is.

00:22:00.680 Maybe that's what this is.

00:22:01.140 It's Pat Gray's continuing education.

00:22:02.740 Because it's always interesting.

00:22:03.860 The latest thing is we just found this Ty Cobb Prager U discussion about Ty Cobb not being who you think he is.

00:22:14.700 Because I'm a big baseball fan.

00:22:17.400 I know.

00:22:17.740 Yeah, me too.

00:22:18.280 We're all sports fans.

00:22:18.940 And what have you always heard about Ty Cobb?

00:22:20.640 Do you know about Ty Cobb at all?

00:22:21.920 No, I just know he's a bad guy.

00:22:23.300 That's all I know.

00:22:23.720 Bad guy.

00:22:24.120 Dirtback.

00:22:24.300 That's all anybody knows about him.

00:22:25.420 Racist.

00:22:25.980 Great baseball player.

00:22:27.580 Racist.

00:22:28.160 Dirty player.

00:22:28.920 Killed a guy.

00:22:30.460 Never paid for it.

00:22:32.300 Spiked people when he slid into second base as often as he could.

00:22:36.520 You know, that kind of thing.

00:22:37.760 Well, listen to this.

00:22:38.520 He was Major League Baseball's first superstar.

00:22:41.440 The first man ever inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.

00:22:45.080 And he still has the game's highest career batting average, .366, almost 90 years after he retired.

00:22:51.860 Wow.

00:22:52.380 His name is Ty Cobb.

00:22:54.880 Yet despite his historic achievements, he is often remembered for being the worst racist and the dirtiest player ever to take the field.

00:23:02.580 If you know baseball, you've heard the stories.

00:23:04.920 Ty Cobb would pistol-whip black men he passed on the street.

00:23:07.600 He once stabbed to death a black waiter in Cleveland just because the young man was acting uppity.

00:23:12.980 On the field, he was set to sharpen his spikes to cut up rival infielders.

00:23:17.060 He supposedly had no friends.

00:23:19.000 In the movie Field of Dreams, shoeless Joe Jackson says that Cobb wasn't invited to the ghostly cornfield reunion because, quote,

00:23:25.660 No one liked the son of a bitch.

00:23:28.080 A lifelong baseball fan, I believed these stories when I set out to write the first authoritative biography of Cobb in 20 years.

00:23:35.520 I've been hearing them all my life.

00:23:37.140 And like a lot of people, I took the repetition as evidence.

00:23:40.560 Wow.

00:23:40.880 But to my astonishment, as I delved into the source material, newspapers, census reports, and personal letters, I couldn't find any proof that they were true.

00:23:49.100 On the contrary, Cobb's teammates on the whole seemed to respect him, defending him on the field and off.

00:23:56.800 His opponents said he played the game hard but clean.

00:24:00.540 Wally Shang, a veteran catcher, was typical.

00:24:03.080 He once said, Cobb never cut me up.

00:24:05.340 He was too pretty a slider to hurt anyone who put the ball on him right.

00:24:09.680 One famous photograph from 1912 shows Cobb flying foot-first into the crotch of St. Louis Browns catcher Paul Critchell.

00:24:15.960 It looks bad, but pictures can be deceiving.

00:24:20.140 In reality, Cobb is kicking the ball out of Critchell's glove.

00:24:23.280 He didn't spike the catcher.

00:24:25.060 Critchell later said, in a way, it was really my fault.

00:24:28.340 I was standing in front of the plate instead of on the side where I could tag tie as he slid in.

00:24:33.360 Indeed, in 1910, Cobb actually asked the league to require that players dull their spikes.

00:24:38.800 And what about the bigotry?

00:24:40.040 How could a man born in Georgia in 1886 not be a racist?

00:24:44.360 Well, as it turns out, Ty Cobb descended from a long line of abolitionists.

00:24:49.360 His great-grandfather was a minister who preached against slavery and was run out of town for his troubles.

00:24:54.460 His grandfather refused to fight in the Confederate Army because of the slavery issue.

00:24:58.500 And his father, an educator, once broke up a lynch mob.

00:25:02.140 On the subjects of blacks playing with whites, Cobb said,

00:25:05.280 the Negro should be accepted wholeheartedly and not grudgingly.

00:25:08.860 The Negro has the right to play professional baseball and who's to say he has not?

00:25:13.560 It doesn't sound like a racist.

00:25:14.540 Cobb attended many Negro League games, sometimes throwing out the first pitch and sitting in the dugout with the players.

00:25:19.740 He said Willie Mays was the only modern-day player he'd pay to see.

00:25:23.600 As for that black waiter he supposedly killed?

00:25:26.440 Well, in reality, he was a hotel night watchman.

00:25:29.340 And Cobb didn't kill him.

00:25:30.300 He just scuffled with him.

00:25:31.600 And, oh, yeah, the guy was white.

00:25:33.920 Now, Ty Cobb was like the rest of us.

00:25:35.460 A highly imperfect being, too quick to take offense, too intolerant of those who did not strive for excellence with the same almost crazy zeal that he did.

00:25:44.380 But a racist, a dirty player?

00:25:46.540 Not true.

00:25:48.160 What is true that almost every accusation against Ty Cobb's character finds its roots in the same source,

00:25:53.500 un-fact-checked articles and books published after his death by a bitter opportunistic journalist named Al Stump,

00:26:00.660 whom Cobb had once threatened to sue for making up stories about him.

00:26:03.980 It didn't matter that Stump had spent little time with Cobb or that all of Stump's sources were anonymous,

00:26:09.660 that sports writers who knew Cobb rushed to his defense,

00:26:12.480 or that Stump himself had been banned from publications for writing lies.

00:26:16.400 The scandal was titillating, and it stuck.

00:26:18.820 When the legend beats the facts, print the legend.

00:26:23.340 Meanwhile, a good man's reputation lies in ruins.

00:26:27.100 There are lessons to be learned here.

00:26:29.440 First, it's all too easy to believe lies about people, especially successful ones.

00:26:34.620 Lies take achievers down a few notches, and we like to hear that.

00:26:38.840 And second, if a lie is repeated often enough, it becomes accepted as fact.

00:26:43.860 This has consequences, because lies are the source of much of the world's evil.

00:26:48.340 Like the evil of destroying a man's legacy.

00:26:51.320 In this case, a legacy that should be celebrated.

00:26:55.180 Ty Cobb was the most exciting baseball player of all time.

00:26:58.760 He once stole second, third, and home on three consecutive pitches.

00:27:02.440 He once turned a tap back to the pitcher into an inside-the-park home run.

00:27:06.640 He was not a racist or a cheat.

00:27:09.520 It's time to tell the truth about Ty Cobb.

00:27:12.900 I'm Charles Learson, author of Ty Cobb, A Terrible Beauty.

00:27:15.660 I mean, that's everything you didn't believe about Ty Cobb in five minutes.

00:27:21.840 Nothing is sacred anymore.

00:27:23.120 That's amazing.

00:27:23.720 It's incredible, too.

00:27:24.400 And you think about it in today's context with fake news.

00:27:26.620 First of all, fake news has been going on a long time, apparently.

00:27:28.720 Yeah.

00:27:29.400 Fake news.

00:27:30.320 If anybody doesn't think that the king was paying the town criers to go out and cry out with fake news, you're crazy.

00:27:40.460 Please.

00:27:40.640 Of course they were.

00:27:41.220 It's been going on forever.

00:27:42.100 And you see this, this is one, I mean, even as a person who has spent way too many hours focusing on sports,

00:27:50.600 we're all huge sports fans with the exception, of course, Glenn, who doesn't know the difference between baseball and football.

00:27:55.540 I do.

00:27:56.540 You do?

00:27:57.340 Yes.

00:27:57.880 Okay.

00:27:58.760 The ball size.

00:28:00.160 Yes, right.

00:28:00.660 That's it.

00:28:00.940 That's the only difference.

00:28:02.180 But I mean, we spent a lot of time talking about baseball history.

00:28:04.840 And the color.

00:28:05.240 One's brown, one's white.

00:28:06.680 There you go.

00:28:07.220 Shape.

00:28:07.560 Very good.

00:28:07.980 You could go with the shape.

00:28:09.020 You could go with a lot of different.

00:28:09.700 Give them the answers.

00:28:10.420 You could go with a little bit different.

00:28:11.360 Okay, the shape.

00:28:12.600 The point is, I said, one's smaller, one's bigger.

00:28:15.080 The point is, I even believed it, right?

00:28:16.600 Like, I mean, we all, I totally thought that was true.

00:28:19.120 Great player, dirtbag.

00:28:20.560 That was my whole, you know, you just believe that about Ty Cobb.

00:28:23.420 And you realize.

00:28:23.760 Well, that's always, that's always the name that comes up when you're talking about Pete

00:28:27.200 Rose in the Hall of Fame.

00:28:28.040 You're telling me Ty Cobb's in the Hall of Fame, but not Pete Rose?

00:28:31.560 I mean, look what he did compared to Pete Rose.

00:28:34.440 I've heard that a hundred times.

00:28:36.320 Yeah.

00:28:36.680 A hundred times.

00:28:37.380 Look at, like, we all recognize this is true in the area, like, for example, politics.

00:28:43.480 You know, FDR ended the, you know, the Great Depression.

00:28:46.060 Like, all these things that we know, over time you look at and you're like, wait a minute,

00:28:49.660 that's not right.

00:28:50.340 This isn't right.

00:28:51.160 But when we get to, there's a certain level of interest.

00:28:53.900 Like, if you hit, like, with sports, like, I'm interested in Ty Cobb because I think it's,

00:28:57.040 you know, I like sports.

00:28:57.760 But, like, I, you know, dedicated my life to looking at Ty Cobb like this author has.

00:29:01.900 And it's like, when you actually look at these things so many times, they're the opposite.

00:29:06.360 I mean, what struck me at Tokyo Rose.

00:29:09.080 You've done with Tokyo Rose.

00:29:10.400 Woodrow Wilson.

00:29:11.460 Woodrow Wilson.

00:29:12.500 It struck me, what hit me initially, because it was a sports reference, was we had John Ziegler

00:29:16.140 in here a couple weeks ago talking about the Penn State thing and Joe Paterno being the

00:29:19.100 main part of that, of like, here's a guy who was fired, his reputation ruined.

00:29:23.220 And really, in retrospect, it's pretty hard to make the case that Paterno in particular,

00:29:29.600 I mean, Ziegler goes even further than this, but Paterno in particular, it's hard to make

00:29:33.120 the case that this guy had lengthy knowledge of these things and did something horrific

00:29:37.240 because he wanted to endanger children.

00:29:39.620 You know, it's really, it's bizarre when you stop and you can get past the sort of craziness

00:29:44.920 of the moment and really examine these things, how your opinion changes.

00:29:48.700 I would love to hear, in fact, you know, I guess I sent it to, send it to Pat Gray at

00:29:55.860 glennbeck.com.

00:29:56.940 I would like to hear who has been besmirched, who needs to be restored?

00:30:06.960 That'd be really interesting.

00:30:08.440 Whose credibility has been destroyed that needs to have it restored?

00:30:15.560 And let's take it out of the last 20 years.

00:30:18.700 Yeah.

00:30:19.520 You know, because you can't, it's hard.

00:30:22.140 It's too controversial in the last 20 years.

00:30:24.140 And you, because you know, it doesn't end at Ty Cobb and Tokyo Rose.

00:30:28.260 There's got to be hundreds of people.

00:30:29.880 I mean, that Tokyo Rose thing blew me away.

00:30:31.860 Yeah.

00:30:32.020 Yeah.

00:30:32.560 Blew me away.

00:30:33.540 We had no idea.

00:30:34.580 Yeah.

00:30:35.060 None.

00:30:35.600 You know, another thing I thought of is we should start, because when Tokyo Rose, she

00:30:41.760 died in 2006.

00:30:43.820 She died in 2006.

00:30:45.960 She was alive a long time.

00:30:46.880 Yeah.

00:30:47.420 Yeah.

00:30:47.700 And I mean, most of my life, she was alive.

00:30:50.280 Yeah.

00:30:51.200 Why didn't I ever talk to Tokyo Rose?

00:30:52.880 Why didn't I ever reach out to Tokyo Rose?

00:30:54.080 We didn't know the story then.

00:30:55.000 Right.

00:30:55.820 But even not knowing the story, what happened?

00:30:59.040 Why wouldn't we do that?

00:31:00.500 Who was it?

00:31:03.020 Somebody that just died.

00:31:04.440 And then today I saw the picture, the guy who, do you remember that really famous firefighter

00:31:09.720 in the Oklahoma City bombing that was carrying the baby?

00:31:13.600 Oh, yeah.

00:31:14.140 The little girl.

00:31:14.660 Remember that?

00:31:15.140 Mm-hmm.

00:31:15.540 He's just retired.

00:31:17.420 Oh, wow.

00:31:18.540 I mean, it's hard to believe because he was young in that.

00:31:20.660 Yeah.

00:31:20.780 He's just retired from the fire department.

00:31:22.780 We should find people from history, the Tokyo Rose size, that are here available and just

00:31:31.760 nobody's talking to before they die.

00:31:35.080 Yeah, we should.

00:31:35.600 You know what I mean?

00:31:36.040 I'd love to talk to some of those people.

00:31:38.440 By the way, do you know that Ty Cobb hit over 400 three separate years?

00:31:42.020 See, this is going to happen now for three weeks.

00:31:45.580 Easily.

00:31:45.800 We will be in the middle of a conversation about something totally different.

00:31:48.800 And we're like, do you know he hit 420 one year?

00:31:51.000 420.

00:31:52.200 420.

00:31:52.720 And that's all he'll say.

00:31:53.940 We're the highest bad averages of all time.

00:31:54.440 That's all he'll say.

00:31:55.540 And we'll all go, huh.

00:31:57.180 And then right back into the conversation.

00:32:02.120 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:32:05.760 Mercury.

00:32:09.480 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:32:13.260 Hello and welcome to the program.

00:32:15.260 I like your idea of finding these characters.

00:32:18.340 What is it?

00:32:18.640 Pat Gray at glennbeck.com?

00:32:19.900 Yes.

00:32:20.220 If you have someone from history who you think needs to be rehabilitated, or maybe is it...

00:32:25.780 What about the other side, Glenn?

00:32:26.600 If it's someone who's thought of as this god that you can take down.

00:32:30.860 Edison.

00:32:32.260 Think of what we have learned ourselves.

00:32:35.120 Yeah.

00:32:35.640 Edison.

00:32:36.380 George Bernard Shaw.

00:32:37.500 George Bernard Shaw.

00:32:38.840 He's a great one.

00:32:39.340 Horrible guy.

00:32:39.760 We do a segment on Wonderful World of Steel called Ruining Your Heroes, which is kind of

00:32:43.840 this, although it's, of course, the negative side of it I've chosen.

00:32:47.320 But I mean, any of these, because there's so many from history that have just been screwed.

00:32:50.640 Well, look at how he's still heralded.

00:32:54.340 Woodrow Wilson is still among the top presidents.

00:32:57.640 I think by the time, I think by the time I retire...

00:33:01.240 Well, he might have done the job.

00:33:02.320 We suck him from 6th to 11th in the last poll.

00:33:04.880 It's going to close.

00:33:05.300 I mean, he is starting to be known now.

00:33:07.740 The left is even starting to acknowledge he was a racist.

00:33:10.700 Racist.

00:33:11.420 Horrible, horrible racist.

00:33:15.780 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:33:18.780 Mercury.

00:33:26.000 This is the Blaze Radio On Demand.

00:33:29.960 Hello, America.

00:33:30.880 Last week, we were talking about how ISPs are taking your data.

00:33:34.940 The government just decided to roll back the laws that were made during the Obama administration.

00:33:42.400 And Cullen Hoback was supposed to be with us.

00:33:44.540 And we had a technical glitch.

00:33:46.620 We wanted to bring him in because he is really, truly fascinating.

00:33:51.120 He's done a couple of movies, Monster Camp, and Terms and Conditions May Apply.

00:33:57.160 Terms and Conditions May Apply.

00:33:59.140 Really, where we want to go with him.

00:34:01.960 One of the leading voices on...

00:34:05.060 What did you just sign when you just clicked OK?

00:34:08.240 We go there right now.

00:34:10.840 I will make a stand.

00:34:13.200 I will raise my voice.

00:34:14.620 I will hold your hand.

00:34:17.700 Because we are one.

00:34:19.680 I will beat my drum.

00:34:21.940 I have made my choice.

00:34:24.200 We will overcome.

00:34:26.480 Because we are one.

00:34:28.520 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:34:32.440 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:34:37.940 Cullen, welcome to the program.

00:34:39.320 How are you?

00:34:39.960 Oh, very good today.

00:34:41.040 Glad to be in studio.

00:34:42.260 Yes, nice to have you here.

00:34:43.280 We wanted to talk to you about this ISP discussion that was going on last week with the government

00:34:50.920 rolling it back.

00:34:51.840 And we had a discussion here that I don't like the government getting involved in private

00:34:56.600 relationships.

00:34:57.240 I have a relationship with a company.

00:35:01.200 If I don't like it, I'll go switch to another company.

00:35:03.820 Right.

00:35:03.940 You are saying that there is a difference between that and Apple.

00:35:10.480 The ISP is different than Apple.

00:35:13.160 Well, I mean, the ISP is very different than a Google or a Facebook, right?

00:35:18.440 Because with a company like Google, it's a search engine company primarily.

00:35:23.760 They also provide email.

00:35:24.960 But you can go to some other search engine.

00:35:27.420 You can use DuckDuckGo.

00:35:29.020 Yeah, you can ask Jeeves if you wanted to.

00:35:33.000 And same with Facebook.

00:35:34.140 There are other social media tools out there.

00:35:36.240 And they're free.

00:35:37.420 At ISP, we're already paying however much they can charge us, depending on how much competition

00:35:43.160 is in the region.

00:35:43.980 And many people only have one option, especially when it comes to a higher-speed broadband.

00:35:51.840 So what we're essentially saying now is that you get the Internet or you don't.

00:35:58.660 And if you want the Internet, well, everything you do online now is the property of that Internet provider.

00:36:05.520 As far as terms and conditions apply, how did this start with you?

00:36:08.860 Were you curious about what all these rules and regulations were that we were agreeing to?

00:36:15.320 And then you started reading them?

00:36:16.640 How did this begin?

00:36:17.840 It was a lot of boring reading.

00:36:19.740 I bet it was.

00:36:20.740 So you actually did read the terms and conditions that do apply?

00:36:24.580 I did.

00:36:25.760 Yeah.

00:36:26.080 Wow.

00:36:26.700 And that actually...

00:36:27.280 You are the one.

00:36:29.760 In fact, actually, a lot of these companies just copy-paste other people, other companies' terms and conditions.

00:36:34.680 Do they really?

00:36:35.300 Yeah, they don't even want to have to read them.

00:36:36.840 And so how long are these things generally?

00:36:41.840 And what's the longest you've seen?

00:36:44.420 I think, gosh, it's between Apple and LinkedIn.

00:36:47.940 LinkedIn has some of the most egregious terms.

00:36:50.740 And Apple is out to protect themselves.

00:36:53.360 They're not really in the business of taking your data because they're trying to sell you a really expensive product.

00:36:58.540 Right.

00:36:58.780 So Apple, you'll just read through everything they've got.

00:37:02.160 I mean, they go to the extent to protect themselves from an incident where you may use their technology to start a nuclear war.

00:37:10.880 So if you read in their terms, yeah, they say we are not responsible if our technology, you are not allowed to use it for this purpose.

00:37:18.620 Therefore, if you do, we are not liable.

00:37:21.020 What could I possibly buy on iTunes that could start a nuclear war?

00:37:26.960 Well, the documentary war games.

00:37:28.320 Like the Kim Jong-un or something.

00:37:31.340 That's pretty amazing.

00:37:32.180 It's a message just for him.

00:37:33.960 Wow.

00:37:34.360 So how much trouble are we in with privacy?

00:37:39.060 For instance, Stu and I used to be the biggest advocate of keeping our fingerprints sacred.

00:37:49.520 You're not, no, you're not taking my fingerprints.

00:37:51.440 And we've handed them over.

00:37:54.660 Yes.

00:37:55.160 And we actually don't mind it now because we're so mentally lazy.

00:37:59.040 In fact, Stu loves it.

00:38:00.360 I was telling Colin off the air because I had him on Wonderful World of Stu, I don't know, three years ago or something.

00:38:04.140 Yeah.

00:38:04.300 It was right when the fingerprint thing came out for iPhones and I didn't have it yet.

00:38:07.200 And I remember it was kind of a story at the time.

00:38:09.420 Wow, you're putting your fingerprint in these things and it's digital and maybe it is locally stored.

00:38:14.140 But still, it was like another step of you, you were giving up to technology.

00:38:20.340 And at the time, we were talking about that.

00:38:22.740 And I was critical of it in that like, just like this kind of freaks me out.

00:38:26.880 Now, the one-tenth of a second that saves me every time I log into my phone is irreplaceable.

00:38:33.260 I would fall on my sword to defend it.

00:38:36.420 And because at any time you can improve convenience just a little bit, these things seem to go down the tubes.

00:38:43.680 And you're right.

00:38:44.640 I mean, with each step, we're just turning up the heat on ourselves a little bit more.

00:38:49.480 You know, the Constitution guarantees us a reasonable right to privacy.

00:38:54.180 So what is our reasonable expectation of privacy?

00:38:58.600 And when we come to accept fingerprint scanning or we come to accept going through an airport and, you know, having some kind of naked monitoring of our bodies, I mean, the bar keeps getting pushed back.

00:39:12.320 And so now I think when it comes to all of the technologies that we're using and our experiences online, what are we willing to accept?

00:39:21.640 And I think that it's very difficult right now for people to feel the cost of digital services spying on them because they can't see it.

00:39:33.840 And what you can't see is hard to feel.

00:39:36.420 Like what don't we what should we feel every time?

00:39:39.600 I mean, you should feel like a bunch of hundreds of weird people you've never met are looking through your through your window, rifling through your diary, getting your brain and trying to know you better than you know yourself.

00:39:54.200 And they truly are doing this.

00:39:55.420 They're they're going through all our stuff.

00:39:58.160 Everything.

00:39:58.740 Or is it just you do online and they could go through it if they wanted to.

00:40:02.560 Well, there's not some person sitting around, you know, with.

00:40:05.460 And they're not looking at they're not looking at Pat, per se.

00:40:08.480 Right.

00:40:08.700 They're looking at habits.

00:40:11.200 Yeah.

00:40:11.880 Well, who is that?

00:40:12.800 Trends.

00:40:13.200 I don't know.

00:40:14.080 You're the one who's.

00:40:16.680 You have the companies, right?

00:40:18.820 And then you have the government.

00:40:20.500 And there really is no separation between the two.

00:40:23.220 Really?

00:40:23.600 That's a big problem.

00:40:24.420 Why do you say that?

00:40:25.140 The government has access to the things that Google and Apple collect?

00:40:29.680 Yes.

00:40:30.380 I mean, this is what Edward Snowden and the prison program showed us.

00:40:33.680 Is that there was backdoor access.

00:40:37.000 And there is something called the third party doctrine.

00:40:39.680 And it's a ruling from the early 80s, which says if you give your information to a third party, a Google, a Facebook, a bank, you've given up your right to control that information.

00:40:50.580 And that includes going to the government.

00:40:52.340 And so it is way easier for the government to go to one of those companies and get our information than get it directly from us.

00:41:00.420 There's virtually no firewall there.

00:41:03.640 Let's get into the time tunnel, Glenn, and go back three days.

00:41:06.760 Now how do you feel?

00:41:10.080 Because that changes it, though, right?

00:41:11.860 That changes it because the government is involved.

00:41:13.980 It's not just selling to private companies.

00:41:16.240 The government does have access.

00:41:17.020 But the problem you have there is the firewall between government and corporations.

00:41:20.220 I still don't think the government should be passing laws.

00:41:23.800 I mean, that's just like passing another bad gun law.

00:41:26.460 Pass the right law.

00:41:27.560 Put a firewall in between the government and the private companies.

00:41:31.040 And we've argued with that on the Snowden, you know, with all the Snowden information.

00:41:34.400 I mean, we disagree with a lot of people who would be conservative in the audience and a lot of the candidates that ran last year because a lot of them embrace that sort of NSA needs to be seeing everything that you're doing.

00:41:45.000 And we are not on that bandwagon.

00:41:47.760 The conversation initially started here, and it's an interesting one in that with this ISP ruling where they're talking about, you know, can your ISP sell the data?

00:41:58.140 Pat was arguing, I think the same way that you're arguing, is no, you had this agreement.

00:42:02.980 And we were kind of arguing, I don't want the government involved in that.

00:42:05.840 I don't want the government to make a rule saying they can't.

00:42:09.080 And my issue with that is, while I agree with you, it's a terrible policy.

00:42:15.160 And it should be one of those things that they shouldn't do.

00:42:18.300 They should not sell your data.

00:42:20.000 But even if, let's just take it to a crazy extreme.

00:42:22.520 There's only one provider.

00:42:23.800 And they say everything that you search for, we're going to publicly put on our Twitter page with your name and face.

00:42:30.480 And we are going to identify every aspect of what you've done online publicly every single time and we're your only option.

00:42:36.840 And still, the government does not have a role there because of the fact that the government does not give you the right to get on the Internet.

00:42:46.560 If a corporation decides to build the infrastructure that lets you get on the Internet, well, then they can put the terms that they want to allow you to access it.

00:42:56.520 It's not the government's job to guarantee you access.

00:42:58.840 And, Pat, I want to just say that my argument hasn't changed.

00:43:02.500 Your argument has changed.

00:43:03.960 You're saying because the government...

00:43:05.160 No, it hasn't, Glenn.

00:43:05.980 No, it hasn't.

00:43:08.280 Your argument has changed.

00:43:10.200 You're saying that, well, now, Glenn, your argument has changed because the government can get it.

00:43:16.060 Well, no.

00:43:17.100 What he's saying is the government's getting it whether they sell it or not.

00:43:20.280 The government's getting it.

00:43:21.380 Yeah.

00:43:21.660 So the problem is not selling it.

00:43:24.160 The problem is the government is getting it.

00:43:26.960 Well, I think one of the factors here, I think we can all agree we like the Constitution.

00:43:32.200 Yes.

00:43:32.480 We're fans.

00:43:33.580 We're big fans here.

00:43:34.480 Right now, the Constitution doesn't apply online.

00:43:36.820 On anything.

00:43:37.560 Yeah.

00:43:37.940 It doesn't apply.

00:43:38.980 The Fourth Amendment in particular.

00:43:40.340 Yeah.

00:43:40.560 It doesn't follow us into the digital realm.

00:43:42.660 And so when the government, I think, passes laws related to the Constitution on the Internet,

00:43:49.300 we're not talking about egregious regulations.

00:43:51.560 We're talking about constitutional regulation, which is different.

00:43:55.220 It's different.

00:43:56.440 In essence, they are blocking themselves from easily getting access to this information,

00:44:01.260 though ISPs are required to retain.

00:44:04.040 I think we should be moving more in the direction of ways to stop the government from being able

00:44:08.000 to access this information.

00:44:09.100 Yes.

00:44:09.120 I agree.

00:44:09.920 I agree.

00:44:11.080 Because the Constitution is a document on what the government can do, not what a private

00:44:15.880 corporation can do or can't do.

00:44:18.460 So I don't have a right to privacy in my, I have a implied contract of privacy with Apple,

00:44:29.520 but not a constitutional right to privacy with Apple.

00:44:32.640 That's the government.

00:44:34.040 I have a constitutional right to privacy with the government, and they're not fulfilling

00:44:38.180 that in any way, shape, or form.

00:44:40.280 And they're trying to look like they're great guys by saying, oh, look, we're protecting

00:44:43.280 your privacy with the ISP.

00:44:44.720 No, you're not.

00:44:45.600 No, you're not.

00:44:46.320 You're not.

00:44:46.720 You're not.

00:44:47.240 You're not.

00:44:48.220 You're not filling your fundamental mandate of the Fourth Amendment in the first place.

00:44:53.200 So this is just all a puppet show.

00:44:55.940 So if if there was a say your phone provider suddenly developed a tool where they could hear

00:45:02.640 all of your thoughts, and maybe they didn't tell you that this was going on, is there

00:45:09.580 then a role for the government to say, no, you can't record people's thoughts and not

00:45:14.320 let them know about that?

00:45:15.760 If they didn't tell people, yes.

00:45:17.720 But I think there would be such an uproar that this phone company had installed this

00:45:23.280 and didn't let anybody know about it.

00:45:25.320 So many, many years ago, when I first made terms and conditions, I discovered it wasn't

00:45:30.720 me.

00:45:31.060 I just if there were lots of technologists who knew that there were key loggers recording

00:45:35.300 every single thing that we do on our phones, all of it without our knowledge.

00:45:39.420 There was never uproar.

00:45:41.280 Did we agree to that in their terms and conditions?

00:45:44.220 No.

00:45:44.880 No?

00:45:45.340 No.

00:45:45.600 But but they would have some way to justify it.

00:45:48.480 If you if you're a good lawyer, you can kind of come up with some wishy washy way to describe

00:45:52.980 it.

00:45:53.160 Right.

00:45:53.540 But they weren't they weren't specifically saying we are recording every stroke.

00:45:57.200 Does the AI thing bother you at all that there doesn't seem to be any restraint on anyone

00:46:03.540 anymore?

00:46:04.320 You know, in in especially in technology, it's it's not should we do it?

00:46:10.780 It's can we do it?

00:46:12.280 Um, can it be done?

00:46:14.440 Yeah.

00:46:14.940 OK, do it.

00:46:16.200 There's no there's no doesn't seem to be real ethics applied on a lot of things.

00:46:21.680 And when we get into AI, we're we're starting to get into territory now that things are going

00:46:27.360 to change so rapidly and we're going to really be boxed in to I mean, you know, fingerprints

00:46:35.260 six years ago.

00:46:37.180 We're not going to use fingerprints.

00:46:38.380 How dare you think?

00:46:39.360 You know, now, OK, because it's convenient.

00:46:43.340 Brave New World was correct, not 1984.

00:46:46.720 They're just packaging everything the way we want it.

00:46:49.920 Is there any concern with you on where we're headed?

00:46:52.260 I mean, if you look at what's happened with privacy since basically the advent of the

00:47:01.200 Internet, the march is moving more and more way, more and more towards just this kind

00:47:05.620 of idea of total transparency.

00:47:08.660 But that total transparency doesn't seem to apply to the government.

00:47:13.900 Right.

00:47:14.300 That's right.

00:47:14.700 So it's it they want us to be as transparent as possible, have as much access to everything

00:47:20.660 that we're doing.

00:47:21.560 But then should be the opposite of what should be the opposite of what should be the opposite

00:47:25.180 of what we should be watching the watchers.

00:47:28.180 Right.

00:47:28.760 Right.

00:47:29.280 And when you talk about this kind of technology, it is in direct relationship to how much information

00:47:34.700 is shared and captured in the background.

00:47:37.540 It's part of Google's master plan.

00:47:39.160 It's why they it's why they want us to share all of our searches and desires with them.

00:47:44.720 Edward Snowden, hero, traitor, somewhere in between.

00:47:49.280 It's somewhere it's somewhere in between.

00:47:52.100 I consider him a patriot.

00:47:55.120 He he made that decision not for his own benefit.

00:48:00.240 He lived a pretty sweet life in Hawaii, making a decent wage with a with a pretty hot girlfriend.

00:48:05.480 So things were not bad for him.

00:48:07.780 I'm going to tell you, they're a lot worse in Russia for him right now than they were before.

00:48:12.800 I think what's what's a challenge here for him or for me, at least, with what he did,

00:48:16.640 he released documents that were beyond just domestic spying.

00:48:20.140 So you had release of documents related to Angela Merkel.

00:48:24.300 You had release of documents related to spy programs abroad.

00:48:28.520 And and that's where I think things start to get kind of gray.

00:48:31.840 I wish he just focused on domestic.

00:48:33.400 But again, we're talking about one individual, tens of thousands of documents.

00:48:38.820 It was difficult for him to go through that.

00:48:40.900 And he trusted a news outlet to then, you know, disseminate information in a way that was responsible.

00:48:47.960 So that's where I think it's gray.

00:48:49.540 What I find so incredible is that we went through the Snowden thing.

00:48:52.160 All the conspiracy theorists leading up to that would have said, this is happening.

00:48:55.900 This is happening.

00:48:56.500 And then Edward Snowden shows it was actually happening.

00:48:58.980 Nobody cared.

00:48:59.600 And we still are going down this road faster and faster and faster.

00:49:02.840 Is that crazy?

00:49:03.480 I thought everything was going to change after Edward Snowden came out with those documents.

00:49:07.520 I was so hopeful.

00:49:09.500 And the only thing that Congress passed was something that separates their ability to directly have metadata.

00:49:15.380 And now it's in the hands of the company.

00:49:16.780 But we know that they can easily just get it from the company.

00:49:18.680 It's crazy.

00:49:19.100 That's all that really changed.

00:49:20.520 Everything in the last since Snowden in this last election, everything I thought about the American people.

00:49:25.880 I'm like, no, I'm not.

00:49:29.360 You don't know them at all.

00:49:30.980 Oh, crap.

00:49:31.340 You know, you keep using that word, American people.

00:49:33.720 I do not think it means what you think it means.

00:49:35.660 Thank you so much for being on with us.

00:49:37.600 Really appreciate it.

00:49:38.400 Yeah.

00:49:38.800 Glad I was in town.

00:49:40.260 Yeah, that's great.

00:49:40.940 Where should people go to check out your stuff?

00:49:43.260 Oh, sure.

00:49:44.220 Well, this film was Terms and Conditions May Apply.

00:49:46.780 The new one's What Lies Upstream.

00:49:48.040 And actually, I was in Dallas at the Dallas International Film Festival with this new project.

00:49:52.820 Oh, very cool.

00:49:53.300 Again, it's investigating corruption in the top federal level.

00:49:57.860 Or is it on the internet?

00:49:59.240 How's it being released?

00:50:00.240 It'll be in theaters.

00:50:01.020 It'll be on TV come the fall.

00:50:02.780 All right, great.

00:50:03.080 Awesome.

00:50:03.640 Yeah, there's lots of ways to see it.

00:50:05.060 Good.

00:50:05.500 Send us a preview copy so we can see it.

00:50:08.060 I'd love to see it.

00:50:08.900 We'll do.

00:50:09.300 Yeah, we'll be able to have a spirited conversation about corruption at the EPA.

00:50:13.840 Oh, wow.

00:50:15.260 Yeah, you'll be back.

00:50:16.940 I'm sure that's zero.

00:50:17.560 You'll be back.

00:50:18.860 Thank you so much.

00:50:19.800 You're listening to The Glenn Beck Program.

00:50:25.840 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:50:32.000 Really fascinating.

00:50:34.360 Talking to Cullen Off-Air, I just asked him, you know, are you concerned about technology?

00:50:39.560 We need to stop talking to people after interviews because it never turns out well.

00:50:43.560 Thanks for coming on and get out.

00:50:45.280 Thanks.

00:50:45.680 Now, don't say another word.

00:50:47.120 Just leave us alone.

00:50:47.900 He said, you know, I'm at this place where I'm wondering, is technology going to destroy

00:50:52.700 us or set us free?

00:50:54.400 And it's kind of a race to see which happens first.

00:50:56.500 Right.

00:50:57.060 And it really is.

00:50:59.260 The promise of technology is more freedom than mankind has ever known.

00:51:06.360 But if we don't guard it and we're not careful, it will mean the biggest, it will mean a global

00:51:16.780 prison camp.

00:51:18.680 It's just which one gets there first.

00:51:21.180 And it all relies on us.

00:51:23.400 As he was talking about Edward Snowden, you know.

00:51:26.700 Nobody cared.

00:51:27.400 Nobody cared.

00:51:28.480 Nobody cared.

00:51:29.100 So as these things start to happen, if nobody cares, if nobody cares about the Constitution,

00:51:34.960 if nobody cares about rights, if nobody cares that the government is doing that, oh, well,

00:51:38.960 of course they're doing that.

00:51:40.200 Well, then you're going to, it's going to get worse and worse and worse.

00:51:45.060 It's up to us to care and be consistent.

00:51:49.180 Know what our principles are.

00:51:50.840 What's that word?

00:51:51.380 I don't think I understand the term.

00:51:53.980 Consistent.

00:51:55.140 I'm not sure what it means.

00:51:56.600 I used to think that it means you believe in something and you apply that.

00:52:02.600 No matter what.

00:52:03.280 No matter what.

00:52:03.800 No matter who's president, you still have the same belief structure.

00:52:06.120 Right.

00:52:06.700 Right.

00:52:07.700 Weird.

00:52:08.100 But I don't think that works.

00:52:09.740 A guy where, the guy where that did work, consistency, Calvin Coolidge.

00:52:14.600 Serial on him.

00:52:15.680 You are going to love this week of serials.

00:52:19.500 Calvin Coolidge, the greatest president of the 20th century, you don't know anything about.

00:52:24.020 Next.

00:52:26.600 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:52:29.240 Mercury.

00:52:33.080 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:52:38.200 When it comes to American presidents, scholars and historians alike love to sing the phrases of progressives like Franklin Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson.

00:52:47.860 FDR is continually voted one of our top five presidents ever, despite the fact that he actually prolonged the Great Depression by at least a decade, interning the Japanese Americans.

00:53:02.140 And he increased the size of the federal government exponentially.

00:53:06.900 Until recently, Wilson was also a perennial top ten member.

00:53:11.460 Even though he was known to be an extreme racist, he also interned American citizens.

00:53:19.200 He broke his promise to keep America out of war.

00:53:21.640 He instituted the federal income tax.

00:53:23.940 I mean, who doesn't love that?

00:53:25.240 And he began the Federal Reserve.

00:53:26.820 And he had an open distaste for both the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution.

00:53:34.140 He was one of the worst presidents the United States has ever had.

00:53:38.860 Inexplicably, these same scholars and historians always take a decidedly negative approach when assessing our 30th American president, Calvin Coolidge.

00:53:51.700 There was a recent C-SPAN poll, and Coolidge ranked just 27th.

00:53:56.840 Hardly awe-inspiring.

00:53:59.100 Yet, his presidency actually was.

00:54:03.320 I'm going to go over the details of what made him a much better president than he was given credit for on upcoming episodes.

00:54:08.640 But first, let's start at the beginning.

00:54:13.700 Appropriately, Calvin Coolidge was born on our nation's 96th birthday, July 4th, 1872.

00:54:20.540 He was born in Plymouth Notch, Vermont.

00:54:24.980 Amity Schlaes of the Calvin Coolidge Presidential Foundation, friend of the program, one of the best authors out there, author of the must-read book, The Forgotten Man, and the book, Coolidge, describes young Calvin's early years.

00:54:39.740 Coolidge was from a wonderful family.

00:54:44.400 And the family had a lot of depth.

00:54:46.020 So, the Coolidge's had a commitment to public life, to service, and to going into government.

00:54:52.940 Sadly, Coolidge's childhood was stricken by tragedy when his mother died.

00:54:58.240 Calvin was only 12 years old, and his only sibling, his younger sister, passed away when he was 18.

00:55:04.760 He almost didn't make it to teen years.

00:55:09.680 He was kind of a sickly boy.

00:55:11.000 He almost didn't make it into college.

00:55:13.840 He had to stay out a year.

00:55:15.740 He almost didn't make it as an attorney in Northampton when he started his career.

00:55:20.540 He almost didn't find a wife.

00:55:22.680 And yet, each time he succeeded.

00:55:24.220 So, he's a very inspiring fellow, because he was not a huge standout.

00:55:31.460 He was not number one in his class.

00:55:34.500 He was not the guy everybody loved.

00:55:37.400 And yet, he prevailed through sheer hard work.

00:55:41.300 As historian and author of the book Calvin Coolidge, a documentary biography, David Petruzza explains,

00:55:47.900 most didn't see the potential in the younger Calvin.

00:55:50.980 Calvin Coolidge is not exactly the most likely to succeed, even in college, even as a young man.

00:55:58.240 Even for a 19th century Vermonter, he's taciturned, withdrawn.

00:56:04.980 He's not courted by any of the fraternities at school.

00:56:08.540 His associate, Dwight Murrow, is.

00:56:11.680 He will become eventually Coolidge's ambassador to Mexico.

00:56:15.600 No one thinks much of Calvin Coolidge's chances, except for Murrow,

00:56:19.420 who does see something in Coolidge.

00:56:21.600 Because if you look beyond the silent exterior, you see a very solid interior.

00:56:28.880 And when he runs for office, when the people take a look at what Coolidge has to offer,

00:56:33.700 they know this is a person they can trust.

00:56:36.380 This is a person who is not going to pander to them.

00:56:39.220 And he is going to work for their best interest as a whole, not necessarily for special interest,

00:56:46.860 but for rising up the country and the economy as a whole.

00:56:52.220 Turns out Dwight was right.

00:56:55.240 It really is hard to get more successful than the president of the United States, especially at that time.

00:57:01.080 Most of these traits that Dwight Murrow recognized were instilled in a young Calvin by his father,

00:57:07.440 who was honest and hardworking.

00:57:10.120 John Calvin Coolidge, Sr.

00:57:13.220 He was known throughout Vermont as a prosperous farmer, a storekeeper, and a public servant.

00:57:18.980 More from Amity Schley's.

00:57:20.320 In some families, people are just expressions of the family.

00:57:24.420 You know, the son is the father's ambassador, or the other way.

00:57:27.920 The Coolidge's were like that.

00:57:29.220 Coolidge ended up graduating cum laude from Amherst with a law degree.

00:57:35.000 He opened up his own practice in 1898, and along the way, Coolidge became interested in a political career.

00:57:42.580 Well, that same year, he won the election to the Northampton City Council.

00:57:47.240 Later, he was elected to the offices of city solicitor and clerk of courts.

00:57:52.240 Now, as the clerk of courts, he wasn't allowed to practice law, so he stayed in his office for just a year.

00:57:57.880 And instead, in 1904, he ran for a position on the school board, suffering the only loss at the ballot box of his political career.

00:58:06.280 He was told by several neighbors that the reason they didn't vote for him for the office was that he didn't have any children who would be going to the schools in which he would govern.

00:58:14.920 To that, Coolidge replied,

00:58:16.280 In fact, starting a family would be just around the corner for Coolidge, as Petruzza explains.

00:58:25.060 Calvin Coolidge is a young bachelor attorney in Northampton, Massachusetts.

00:58:30.840 And one day, he is shaving, and Grace Goodyear walks by and sees this young fellow shaving.

00:58:41.600 But he's shaving in a sort of odd way.

00:58:43.880 He's wearing a derby hat for some reason as he's doing this.

00:58:47.640 And she looks up and bursts into laughter.

00:58:50.940 And he looks down, and instead of being annoyed by that, he knows a good thing or a good woman when he sees one.

00:58:59.380 And determines that he is going to court her.

00:59:01.740 And while he is not the most overtly courtly, courting kind, he certainly succeeds in his courtship with her.

00:59:11.380 And they will marry not too long afterwards.

00:59:14.840 In 1905, Coolidge married Grace Ann Goodhue.

00:59:19.560 The couple had two children.

00:59:21.440 John, who was born in 1906, and who, believe it or not, lived long enough to see the beginning of the presidential campaign

00:59:27.260 between Al Gore and George W. Bush in 2000, and Calvin Jr., who, just at 16 years old in a bizarre twist of fate,

00:59:37.000 developed a simple blister on his toe.

00:59:39.840 This will make you appreciate modern-day medicine.

00:59:43.900 That blister became infected, and he died of blood poisoning.

00:59:47.980 And the loss was devastating to Calvin and his wife.

00:59:51.200 In 1906, he ran for and was elected to the Massachusetts House of Representatives.

00:59:57.860 Ironically, at this time of his life, Coolidge was known as a progressive Republican,

01:00:03.460 mostly over his support for women's right to vote and direct election of the senators.

01:00:09.000 He served two terms in the House before returning home to spend more time with his family,

01:00:13.220 and while there, was elected twice as the city's mayor.

01:00:16.860 During his first term as mayor in Northampton, he increased teachers' salaries and paid down much of the city's debt,

01:00:23.940 while still managing to provide residents with slight tax decreases.

01:00:28.400 His conservative policies paid huge dividends his entire career, and Coolidge became more and more popular.

01:00:35.880 So much so that when the state senator from his area retired,

01:00:39.220 he went to Coolidge to encourage him to run for his seat in the 1912 session.

01:00:44.160 Coolidge agreed, and won the seat easily.

01:00:48.300 So now, here he is, at the time of Wilson, in the Senate.

01:00:53.000 And after two very successful terms in the state Senate,

01:00:56.800 Coolidge was ready to retire, as was the custom of the time.

01:01:00.180 But the president of the Senate was defeated in his election,

01:01:04.120 so he decided to run for a third term.

01:01:07.280 He won the seat again.

01:01:08.660 And as Petruzza explains, Coolidge won more than that.

01:01:13.120 Coolidge has done all this work with his fellow legislators.

01:01:18.340 Within 24 hours, he has sewed up the votes to be the next Senate president,

01:01:25.480 and he has, beyond the Republicans voting for him, he has a good share of the Democrats.

01:01:30.340 The next year, when he's re-elected for the Senate, he is elected unanimously.

01:01:39.360 Every Democrat in the House votes for him.

01:01:42.840 He has a way of reaching out to Democrats, and to Catholics, and to the Irish,

01:01:50.160 which are, of course, so important in Massachusetts politics.

01:01:53.540 Coolidge was riding really high in Massachusetts politics, and in 1914, as Senate president,

01:01:59.720 he delivered this popular and very memorable speech to the state and his colleagues,

01:02:04.640 entitled, Have Faith in Massachusetts.

01:02:07.180 Do the day's work.

01:02:10.880 If it be to protect the rights of the weak, whoever objects, do it.

01:02:16.920 If it be to help a powerful corporation better to serve the people, whatever the opposition, do that.

01:02:25.100 Expect to be called a standpatter, but don't be a standpatter.

01:02:30.820 Expect to be called a demagogue, but don't be a demagogue.

01:02:35.100 Don't hesitate to be as revolutionary as science.

01:02:40.640 Don't hesitate to be as reactionary as the multiplication table.

01:02:45.800 Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong.

01:02:50.640 Don't hurry to legislate.

01:02:52.700 Give administration a chance to catch up with legislation.

01:02:57.320 The speech propelled him to new heights and caught the interest of power brokers in the state and around the nation.

01:03:04.500 Some of whom believed he was now ready to run for lieutenant governor or even governor.

01:03:10.180 Coolidge was convinced that this was the time to aim even higher, and he entered the primary election for lieutenant governor.

01:03:18.140 He was nominated to run alongside gubernatorial candidate Samuel W. McCall.

01:03:23.360 Coolidge was the leading vote-getter in the Republican primary, and in 1915, the pair were elected to their first one-year term.

01:03:30.960 They won again in 1916-17, and when McCall stepped aside in 1918, Coolidge ran for governor on a platform of fiscal conservatism,

01:03:41.440 lukewarm opposition to prohibition, support for women's suffrage, and support for America's involvement in World War I.

01:03:49.780 Now, the war at the time was a hugely divisive issue for him, especially among the Irish and German-Americans,

01:03:57.500 which may have been the reason that Coolidge was elected only by a margin of 16,733 votes over his opponent.

01:04:06.640 That was his smallest margin of victory in any statewide election.

01:04:10.580 So here he is as governor, waiting to rise to national prominence.

01:04:16.400 His time came when he had to crush a police strike.

01:04:19.640 It happened in Boston, and he took on the powerful and legendary AFL president Samuel Gompers in the process.

01:04:26.500 Coolidge took strong and decisive steps from the start of the strike, relieving the police commissioner of his duties.

01:04:32.860 He then called in the National Guard, and he personally took control of the police force.

01:04:37.720 Once order was restored, he placed the police commissioner back in his position and then fired every single striking officer.

01:04:47.480 Coolidge then put out the call for an entirely new police force.

01:04:52.000 When I first read this, I thought, boy, this sounds like what Ronald Reagan did to the striking air traffic controllers back in his term.

01:05:01.700 It's probably not a coincidence in seeing that Ronald Reagan's favorite president was Calvin Coolidge.

01:05:09.420 When Gompers attempted to enforce his will on the situation, firing off a protesting telegram to Coolidge,

01:05:16.100 the popular governor responded publicly, emphatically stating, in part,

01:05:21.060 There is no right to strike against the public safety by anyone, anywhere, anytime.

01:05:29.220 I am equally determined to defend the sovereignty of Massachusetts and to maintain the authority and jurisdiction over her public officers

01:05:40.240 where it has been placed by the Constitution and laws of her people.

01:05:45.820 Sound like Reagan?

01:05:46.780 Calvin Coolidge became an instant national conservative hero.

01:05:51.060 They had found someone finally, they believed, that if necessary, could stand against the red scare of communism

01:05:58.720 that had gripped the country in light of the recent revolutions in Russia, Hungary, and in Germany.

01:06:05.720 Again, doesn't that sound an awful lot like Ronald Reagan?

01:06:10.620 Who, coincidentally, when Coolidge was president, Ronald Reagan was a young man.

01:06:16.460 The stage was now set for Calvin Coolidge to realize his full potential.

01:06:23.120 In 1920, destiny would come calling, literally, on the phone.

01:06:29.960 We tell that story next time.

01:06:33.120 Tomorrow on the Glenn Beck Program, in Chapter 2 of our Serial on Calvin Coolidge,

01:06:37.340 you'll learn about Coolidge's first experience in the White House.

01:06:40.700 Listen live or online at glennbeck.com slash serials.

01:06:44.060 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

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01:07:00.600 I'm just going to give you a tease of this article.

01:07:02.300 Hopefully we'll get to it next hour.

01:07:03.440 We have Mark Deplos on in just a minute.

01:07:05.260 I'm really excited.

01:07:06.300 This is one of the first interviews where all of us are really excited for different reasons

01:07:09.400 to talk to somebody.

01:07:12.020 Listen to this.

01:07:13.420 Everyone, despite income, should be encouraged to take care of their health.

01:07:16.680 I actually like socialized medicine, Sharon, one of the focus group participants, told us.

01:07:22.140 This was unexpected.

01:07:23.880 Socialized medicine, Canadian-style health care, single-payer, whatever you want to call it,

01:07:28.480 that's typically championed by the far left.

01:07:31.060 Bernie Sanders has proposed a single-payer plan during his presidential run.

01:07:34.900 Progressive legislators in California and New York have introduced single-payer bills in

01:07:39.760 their respective state houses.

01:07:41.340 But at our focus group, our participants were on to something.

01:07:45.460 Lately, there's been a surprising groundswell of support for universal coverage, even single-payer,

01:07:51.260 among Trump voters.

01:07:54.020 This was a focus group of Trump supporters.

01:07:58.100 And they're all starting to turn towards single-payer health care.

01:08:06.260 Congratulations, America.

01:08:08.020 More on this, because this article will blow your mind.

01:08:11.040 Coming up.

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01:08:28.100 This is the Blaze Radio On Demand.

01:08:37.020 So for the last few years, I have been saying that we need to get out of our own little bubble.

01:08:43.940 We need to start listening to people, start talking to people.

01:08:46.280 And we need to take responsibility for what we've done.

01:08:51.800 Don't worry about what others have done.

01:08:54.480 And start to come together on things that really matter.

01:09:01.780 And serve one another.

01:09:05.160 Well, I'm driving home from South by Southwest a couple of weeks ago.

01:09:09.840 And I saw an interview with Mark Duplass, who is a film director, an actor, a producer.

01:09:15.180 He's made just a great, great movie called Blue Jay.

01:09:21.740 I don't know if anybody's ever seen it, but it's just tremendous.

01:09:26.060 And I'm watching this interview, and he says,

01:09:29.680 I'm going to give $25,000 to anybody on the right.

01:09:33.540 If we can just come together, I'm going to donate it to a charity.

01:09:38.480 Let's reach out to each other.

01:09:40.140 Let's start working together.

01:09:41.140 Let's just start having conversations.

01:09:42.480 So I immediately wrote to him and have been waiting for this conversation.

01:09:47.040 He is on the phone.

01:09:47.820 He joins us right now.

01:09:50.720 I will make a stand.

01:09:53.240 I will raise my voice.

01:09:55.500 I will hold your hand.

01:09:57.940 Because we are one.

01:09:59.720 I will beat my drum.

01:10:01.980 I have made my choice.

01:10:04.220 We will overcome.

01:10:06.500 Because we are one.

01:10:08.280 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

01:10:12.480 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:10:17.920 Mark Duplass, welcome to the program, sir.

01:10:20.800 How are you, sir?

01:10:21.940 Thanks for having me.

01:10:22.700 Very good.

01:10:24.660 First of all, let's just start with this.

01:10:26.360 We're big fans.

01:10:28.400 I didn't know Stu was a big fan of yours.

01:10:30.660 Oh, The League is a tremendous, legendary show.

01:10:33.500 And I have seen, I've seen Blue Jay, and Pat actually saw parts of it as well.

01:10:42.380 And it is, I mean, it's just genius work.

01:10:45.800 It's just genius work.

01:10:46.700 Thank you so much.

01:10:47.580 Thank you very much.

01:10:48.740 You're welcome.

01:10:49.060 So, let's start here.

01:10:53.100 First of all, the audience should know that this never happens.

01:10:59.080 Mark calls in, and our producers talked to him a couple weeks ago, and he said, look,

01:11:04.240 I don't want you to, please don't promote anything of mine.

01:11:06.800 Don't talk about anything of mine.

01:11:07.980 I just really want to have a conversation about what's happening in the world.

01:11:13.000 I just wanted you to know that that's the kind of character this guy has coming to the table.

01:11:18.300 You are a Hollywood guy.

01:11:22.060 You're obviously on the left and unashamed of being on the left.

01:11:27.100 Yeah, I would even, I'd go so far as to say I'm a self-professed, semi-elitist Hollywood libtard.

01:11:34.620 I mean, I'd go, I'll go ahead and, I'll take it, man.

01:11:39.760 Okay.

01:11:40.680 All right.

01:11:41.740 All right.

01:11:43.140 So, so what are you, what are you doing?

01:11:48.240 I, okay, first of all, I don't really know.

01:11:50.660 I'm jumping into something without, uh, not being fully educated about what these consequences are.

01:11:56.440 But something in my, something in my deep gut, um, has been telling me that, um, the divide we are experiencing right now politically, uh, is, is obviously, it's gotten so incendiary.

01:12:12.440 And it's gotten so gridlocked, um, that, uh, quite frankly, it dovetails with something that, um, while I am not as politically astute as, and well-read as most people who are having these conversations, um, I've made my whole life about relationships.

01:12:31.280 And about the healing of relationships, about going to therapy of relationships.

01:12:35.760 Right.

01:12:36.200 I, I work with and sleep next to my wife every night.

01:12:40.000 My brother and I run a business together.

01:12:42.500 My parents and I live two miles from each other and we see each other every Sunday.

01:12:47.100 I know deeply what it's like to be close with people, uh, and how to work through issues.

01:12:52.800 And when I, when I sense the way that people are communicating to each other, um, so gridlocked in their positions, just firing away with incendiary criticism, I thought to myself, I think I know how to operate in this space a little bit.

01:13:07.780 So I'm going to try to jump in and see what I have to offer.

01:13:11.540 So what do you have to offer to Mark?

01:13:13.860 Well, I guess, I guess, you know, the first thing that I noticed is, you know, um, it, it feels like the country's in a, in a terrible marriage right now or some sort where, where you get to that point where you're just like, you know what, I can't even have a civil conversation with you because I feel like I'm constantly under attack.

01:13:33.740 And, and, you know, look, I've, I've been there in relationships before.

01:13:37.160 I think everybody has a certain degree.

01:13:38.640 And, and, and, you know, my, my whole theory is like that movie and that, that book love story that came out in, in like 1970, I think that, I think that a terrible disservice to all relationships by, by propagating that quote, uh, love means never having to say you're sorry, which to me is the worst thing you can possibly, it's an amazing, it's an amazing falsehood.

01:14:02.300 To me, we're in the place where love means always having to say you're sorry, even if at times you're pretty sure it's the other person's fault, you need to kind of, you need to just step up for a second and just, and just say, Hey, I probably did some of this.

01:14:20.560 I'm sorry for that.

01:14:21.800 And let, and let the healing begin.

01:14:23.880 And, you know, my wife and I always joke, like when we get to that gridlocked place, we have to go to the lowest common denominator of connection.

01:14:30.900 And that for us is we put on the big Lebowski and we get a six pack of beer and we sit next to each other and we just enjoy it.

01:14:39.620 And then, and then the good vibes start to happen.

01:14:42.760 And then slowly one of us says, Hey, I'll order some Thai food.

01:14:46.420 Let me do it.

01:14:47.140 And then the other person says, Oh, that was nice.

01:14:48.840 And then the other person brings in the Thai food and then literally brick by brick, you get yourself back to the place of good feeling and communication.

01:14:57.900 So I, I started thinking like, what is the lowest common denominator here between, you know, conservatives, between liberals?

01:15:06.860 Like what is something that we can share without screaming?

01:15:10.660 And, and I thought to myself, well, you know, what, what about charitable giving?

01:15:15.560 I continually hear, you know, that conservatives actually give more to charity than, than a lot of liberals do.

01:15:23.680 And I know that a lot of that is church based and everybody can get into an argument about that, but whatever, put that away.

01:15:30.220 Everybody likes to take care of sick children.

01:15:33.980 Everybody believes that clean water systems installed in third world countries for relatively cheap that are sustainable are a good thing, you know?

01:15:43.940 And so I said, well, what, what, what if I can find some, you just reach out a little bit, find some of these campaigns that maybe, maybe we could share and, and in the positive spirit of giving without yelling at each other, just focus on the giving.

01:16:00.120 Maybe you might grow something.

01:16:01.900 I don't know.

01:16:02.460 It's still early.

01:16:03.500 I'm all half baked in my head, to be honest, but this is the, the, this is the pool I'm trying to step into at the moment.

01:16:09.840 How does it make you feel that that is exactly the same pool that, uh, Glenn Beck stepped into?

01:16:20.220 You better run.

01:16:21.200 What does that say about you, Mark?

01:16:22.620 Really?

01:16:23.080 Seriously.

01:16:23.780 That says you better not open up your Twitter.

01:16:30.280 I mean, it's, it's phenomenal.

01:16:32.980 I mean, honestly, this is like, all I am looking for right now is, is a connection point.

01:16:38.440 And I have been, I was so guilty, uh, in mid-November of like getting on Twitter and proselytizing about why I was right and finding new and interesting and multi-syllabic ways to slam Trump, you know, which, which, which, which.

01:16:55.540 See, another point in common.

01:16:58.000 And so, as I look back and I'm like, why am I doing this?

01:17:03.900 This is at best, uh, further marginalizing us, you know, and, uh, and at worst, um, just losing half of my fans, uh, who don't even care about what I'm saying now.

01:17:14.380 And, and I, and I just started to think this is, this doesn't feel like the right way.

01:17:20.020 And, and deep in my gut, I know that when my brother and I get into emotional trouble, when my wife and I, when my friends and I, when my parents do, that the, always the way forward is to, regardless of whether who started it, regardless of who was more unfair or who was louder with their words.

01:17:38.420 I always know deep in my gut, I have to step forward first.

01:17:41.820 I have to be the one I would love if someone else did it, but you know what, who cares?

01:17:46.640 Put that away, be the one step forward.

01:17:49.160 And then when you do that, it usually ends up working out pretty well.

01:17:53.040 So, you know, for, for me, the fact that like you heard that and you reached out and said, you know, come on my program and let's talk about this.

01:18:01.180 This is super exciting to me because I guess I'm in a bit of a fact gathering mode.

01:18:07.400 Like I first started talking to people with the question of, if you held your nose and voted for Trump, I get you.

01:18:16.860 I have nothing against that.

01:18:18.940 Honestly, like nobody has a favorite politician anymore.

01:18:23.040 You know, we're, we're, we're too aware of, of, of the machinations.

01:18:26.200 We read too much news.

01:18:27.600 So if you just thought to yourself, you know what, there's a Supreme court justice coming up long-term.

01:18:33.200 I want to get the GOP guy in there so that, you know, I'll get the right appointee or I am a one issue voter such as, you know, I'm a pro-life voter.

01:18:42.660 Like I can understand that, but if you're on fire for Trump, if you're in love with the guy, tell me why, you know, like we can't help you with, we can't help you with that, Mark.

01:18:54.260 I don't know if you know anything about us at all, but we can't help you on that one.

01:18:58.920 And, and, and, you know, we feel exactly the same way.

01:19:01.400 No one, no one is on fire for Trump.

01:19:04.320 There are a couple of really frightening people on Twitter who are in love with Trump, but by the way, there are just as many of those frightening people on the left.

01:19:10.680 So that's not a party divide thing.

01:19:12.680 There's always the outliers there.

01:19:14.100 So, so what I have learned, interestingly enough in doing that is, is no one's on fire.

01:19:21.300 There are, you know, tons of reasons.

01:19:24.700 And the last thing I want to do is be reductive in any way about a large group of people who might've voted for him.

01:19:30.100 But I keep getting these really, I guess, fascinating answers for me, which are sort of like, I felt hopeless.

01:19:39.320 I felt Obama left me behind.

01:19:41.280 This guy was a Hail Mary.

01:19:43.020 I didn't know what he was going to do.

01:19:44.580 He was an other and he, and I felt the lack of political jargon.

01:19:51.080 And I felt that his candor and just the feeling that he was being truthful and his words weren't well rehearsed made them feel like he was like them.

01:19:59.740 So they said, I want to take a chance on it.

01:20:01.200 Okay.

01:20:01.840 That I can actually understand, you know, people saying, uh, he's, he's telling me he's going to bring jobs.

01:20:08.640 No one is talking to me and saying that they're going to bring jobs.

01:20:12.220 I, I'm choosing to believe him.

01:20:14.500 So, okay, I can get behind that too.

01:20:16.440 I can understand where you're coming from.

01:20:17.940 So I guess the, the, the 30,000 foot view of it for me has been, you know, I live in Los Angeles and I do live in a bubble, you know?

01:20:28.060 And as much as I tell myself, you know, I open up my Twitter feed, I look at Fox news once a day to see what's happening.

01:20:35.880 You know, the truth is I'm mostly hearing from people who are terrified of this man and it's a fear-based thing.

01:20:44.320 And, and it's the, the rhetoric is incendiary.

01:20:48.500 And most of the Trump supporters that I have talked to are so appreciative to have me come forward and not call them racist and not just start yelling at them about why they're wrong and why they're ruining the country.

01:21:04.060 And when I do that, it's, it's, it's pretty tremendous.

01:21:08.420 The, I guess I would say how easy it is to establish a connection.

01:21:13.100 Talking to Mark Deplos, he is a film director and producer and actor and seemingly somebody who is really rooted in common sense.

01:21:23.960 We'll continue our conversation here in just a second.

01:21:26.960 Glenn Beck.

01:21:29.640 Mercury.

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01:21:37.580 So Mark, let me tell you a little bit about my experience.

01:21:42.180 Cause we're on the same exact course.

01:21:45.580 I, I, we, we, we can see people on, on both sides that are in pain.

01:21:52.040 And quite honestly, we didn't take the time to really look or listen.

01:21:58.280 I should speak for me, just convinced that I'm right.

01:22:01.380 And I know exactly what you're thinking.

01:22:03.080 And it really wasn't what people were thinking.

01:22:05.900 Um, and, um, and by my actions and my words, I took half the country, the, the, the left half and just threw it away.

01:22:18.280 And, and, and just assumed that, well, no, you'll get it because it's right.

01:22:24.060 And how stupid is that?

01:22:26.800 Um, and now I'm trying to reach out to the left and doing the same thing.

01:22:33.180 I'm, I'm doing work with operation underground railroad, which is freeing slaves and, you know, kids in sex slavery.

01:22:40.520 And it's, it's, it's an amazing thing.

01:22:43.360 And, uh, so far I've gotten Samantha Bee and Riaz Patel and that's it.

01:22:49.860 And, um, and my audience is saying to me all the time, Glenn, that nobody on the left is going to do this.

01:22:56.960 So this is a worthless cause.

01:22:58.560 It's not going to happen.

01:22:59.300 And I imagine that you're feeling the same way.

01:23:03.260 Are you getting anybody on the, the right to join you and say things like I have?

01:23:10.140 Yeah, I get it.

01:23:11.180 I was wrong.

01:23:13.080 Uh, sorry for the things that I did.

01:23:15.580 I'm not changing my, I'm not changing my principles, but I certainly am apologizing for the things that I said that made people feel bad.

01:23:24.820 You know, I, the, the truth is, I think while you and I are coming from the same exact place, I really haven't, uh, asked that specific question of the right and, and, or anyone who honestly doesn't agree with my political principles.

01:23:41.540 And I don't even, I almost feel like I don't even need that step right now.

01:23:47.440 I don't need the, the admittance of any wrong.

01:23:51.280 I don't need the acknowledgement.

01:23:53.040 No, no, hang on just a second.

01:23:54.640 I actually haven't, I mean, I haven't, I'm not really asking that.

01:23:57.460 I would like to see that from the press only because, only because the press, it would show that they get it.

01:24:03.220 Um, but I don't need that from people.

01:24:05.560 But what I am asking is, you know, you want to join me on some projects.

01:24:08.960 Let's go work together.

01:24:10.100 Let's, you know, let's put our audiences together and go do a service project or something.

01:24:15.400 Is there anybody on the right that has responded to you in a positive way and said, I get it?

01:24:21.280 Um, you know, so I, I went to speak with Steven Crowder, who was really, really great.

01:24:27.860 You know, like I, I watched one of his shows and quite frankly, I was terrified.

01:24:31.820 He's big, he's extremely intelligent.

01:24:34.740 He's good looking.

01:24:36.080 I was like, he, he might beat me up.

01:24:38.680 I don't know what's going to happen.

01:24:40.900 Um, and, and he was very, very respectful.

01:24:44.500 And I talked a lot about, you know, charitable causes on his program.

01:24:48.480 And as a place where, you know, I believe that we could, you know, uh, cross the divide a little bit.

01:24:53.940 And, and, you know, I, it was interesting because I think that, you know, I really respect him, but his, his motor to a certain degree is to engage in political debate.

01:25:03.840 And I think that a lot of times when I reach across our motors are set to, uh, to debate and, you know, and that is one thing that I have, I'm trying to get, uh, good at disarming a bit so that I can just cut through on the bottom level a little bit more, which is, I mean, it's just kind of happening.

01:25:22.660 And quite frankly, naturally with, with you here, because I think that you and I happen to share, um, I don't know what it is.

01:25:32.200 Uh, I was, I was the alcohol.

01:25:33.920 I grew up in an alcoholic family and I was the please.

01:25:36.460 I was the one that said, Hey everybody, let's get along quite honestly.

01:25:40.400 Yeah.

01:25:41.020 So like, it sounds like, it sounds like you gotten beat up a little bit.

01:25:43.880 Life sounds like you've been to therapy.

01:25:45.340 You even handed some sort of those of humility.

01:25:47.360 I've had that I've dealt with, you know, depression and anxiety and artistic failure.

01:25:52.640 And all this stuff.

01:25:53.860 And I just, I feel weak in the world and I am not certain that I am right anymore.

01:26:00.060 And I want to share that with people because the not knowing creates intimacy in my opinion.

01:26:05.060 And I, I, I can be bombastic at times.

01:26:08.480 Like I do feel like I know what I'm doing in the film industry and I can go to Sundance or South by Southwest and speak confidently about that.

01:26:15.020 But when it comes to these bigger issues, I feel, uh, clueless.

01:26:21.040 I, I think I have to tell you, I, I would hope that we all do because we all got us here and none of it is working.

01:26:28.960 Um, hang on just a second.

01:26:30.380 Back with, uh, Mark Duplass in just a second.

01:26:32.800 Mark Duplass is with us.

01:26:49.440 Um, he is a self-described elitist out of touch Hollywood libtard.

01:26:54.140 Uh, which, uh, is pretty brutally honest.

01:26:59.860 Um, and, uh, welcome back to the, uh, welcome back to the program.

01:27:03.100 A guy who said three months ago, I was tweeting things out, nasty things about Donald Trump and his supporters.

01:27:10.140 And I realized what the hell am I doing?

01:27:13.040 Um, Mark, can I take you, can I take you to the movie Blue Jay for a second?

01:27:17.420 Please, yeah.

01:27:19.040 In that movie, which honestly is brilliant, uh, unlike anything that, uh, I have seen, um, it, it, it perfectly captures an uncomfortable conversation between two people.

01:27:34.860 It, it is perfect in its unrequited love.

01:27:39.420 Uh, I mean, it's just, it's just a brilliant film.

01:27:43.160 Um, but in it, and I don't want to spoil it for anybody, but I'm going to.

01:27:47.720 Um, you find out that the, the woman, when she was a teenager had an abortion, uh, of your baby, as you played the, the male role, um, when you're both teenagers and you said horrible things to each other and the whole relationship broke apart.

01:28:07.160 And it's obvious you two still love each other 25 years later.

01:28:09.880 That is, that, as I watched that film, I watched it and I thought that is a great pro-life movie, but it is also, you could say it's a pro-choice movie because she made the decision and, um, and she has dealt with the consequences of that decision.

01:28:31.180 But it was her decision to make yada yada.

01:28:33.880 You could look at that movie and it was no straw man on either side and so many, and I'm going to pull out my own side.

01:28:42.840 And so many Christian movies, I can say this about the left, but let me say it about the right.

01:28:46.960 So many Christian movies make anyone who was playing the character of the woman in your movie look like the most evil witch imaginable.

01:28:57.540 And so there's no honesty.

01:29:00.520 And I really think that that's all that people are looking for is I'm not a monster.

01:29:07.560 You're not a monster.

01:29:09.040 Can't we just come together and talk about this?

01:29:12.040 I don't want to live this way anymore.

01:29:13.880 Look, I, I hope you're right.

01:29:16.020 I hope there is a, a rising tide for this and I'm, I'm willing to bet a bunch of money on it.

01:29:23.040 And that's kind of what, you know, my, my mission is right now is to create these sort of bipartisan, nonpartisan, whatever you want to call it, uh, charitable giving campaigns.

01:29:32.760 I spent a lot of time reaching out to, um, a lot of my supporters on Twitter, a lot of Steven Crowder's and even some of your fans when they found out I was coming here.

01:29:41.220 And I said, look, what are the causes, um, that we can all agree on, you know?

01:29:46.580 And it was really fascinating because again, a lot of conservatives like to give to their churches.

01:29:51.700 A lot of liberals feel like, oh, I'm not so sure about that.

01:29:54.660 They're skeptical of religion.

01:29:56.320 I was like, okay, fine.

01:29:57.440 Look, we're not going to argue here.

01:29:58.540 We're going to look for the baseline stuff, you know?

01:30:01.460 Um, and you know, really education for kids, sick kids, highly efficient giving programs, clean water systems.

01:30:09.820 Uh, you know, that was really good.

01:30:11.360 And then I found out some blind spots of my own, which were great.

01:30:14.060 I got my own education.

01:30:15.480 A lot of conservatives said, why don't you guys ever talk about veterans?

01:30:19.740 What is it?

01:30:20.460 And I said, you know what?

01:30:22.460 It's really weird.

01:30:23.400 I do give a lot of charitable giving and I don't often think about veterans.

01:30:26.660 And I think it's tied to this defensiveness that the left has that we spend too much, quote unquote, on the military.

01:30:33.420 So that it often gets grouped into that.

01:30:35.780 And you forget like, oh Jesus, these are the people who have served and we need to take care of them.

01:30:40.880 And so I got a little education on that front.

01:30:43.700 And then likewise, I was able to, you know, uh, speak with some of my conservative fan bases who would say, you know, America first, man, we got to take care of our people at home.

01:30:54.240 What are you doing reaching out, you know, across these borders?

01:30:56.480 Like we're struggling here.

01:30:58.120 And I would say, but yeah, for like 80 cents, we can install a clean water system in the third world.

01:31:05.180 Like, and, and then we don't, we don't have to be there every day fixing it.

01:31:09.120 It's done.

01:31:09.720 We led the horse to water and it's done.

01:31:11.020 And they say, oh, well, that makes total sense.

01:31:13.320 So I was like, well, I learned something.

01:31:15.580 You learned something.

01:31:16.180 Here we are.

01:31:16.580 I just hired two full-time psychiatrists, um, for a, um, uh, shelter for, uh, uh, the kids that had been used in the sex slave trade to full-time doctors for $400 a month in Thailand.

01:31:34.400 Wow.

01:31:35.060 I mean, come on.

01:31:36.600 I mean, geez, you got it.

01:31:38.800 So my, my challenge is, and I'm challenging the left mostly right now amongst my friends is saying, guys, you were ready to pay a lot of taxes.

01:31:46.560 You voted for a woman who was going to tax you and you're going to save a lot of money next year.

01:31:51.040 Congratulations.

01:31:52.100 Now you already signed that money away with your vote.

01:31:55.100 So what I want you to do is take that, whatever your differential is, if you're in that top, you know, tax bracket and you're saving 8%, I want you to take a large chunk of that.

01:32:03.640 And I want you to come with me and put some money down.

01:32:06.140 And we're going to reach out and say, Hey, everybody come join us, you know, match us dollar for dollar.

01:32:12.680 I did this once I put in, you know, $10,000.

01:32:15.840 All my fans came together.

01:32:17.040 They matched me dollar for dollar.

01:32:18.220 We made it to 20.

01:32:19.580 I reached out to Google.

01:32:20.940 I guilted them.

01:32:22.420 And I said, you know, I'll take a picture with you and you match us that other 20 and we'll turn it into 40 grand.

01:32:28.540 That's weird because I did the same thing with Google and I said, I won't take a picture with you.

01:32:33.680 It worked.

01:32:35.080 It worked.

01:32:35.560 It was great.

01:32:36.400 Yeah.

01:32:37.820 I'm ready to stretch this idea out.

01:32:40.140 And, you know, I'm developing one for some foster care programs, which has been a really easy thing that everybody agrees on, you know, left, right.

01:32:49.620 And, you know, try and look, I'm not above going to Wells Fargo and say, Hey, guys, you're looking pretty bad right now.

01:32:56.860 If you want to put up some money, I'll take your hand and take a picture with you if you give me a bunch to match.

01:33:01.280 Oh, totally guilt them into it.

01:33:02.360 That's a great approach.

01:33:03.180 It works.

01:33:04.420 Let's see what we can do.

01:33:05.400 You know, I don't know if I can change the world, but maybe there's some positivity in it and and, you know, most importantly, I just I really want while I have the ear of people right now who, you know, probably a lot of them didn't vote like I did and don't believe like I do.

01:33:20.800 I just want you to know that my friends and I, when we gather for dinner, my elitist Hollywood libtard buddies, we're not all over here screaming how terrible you are.

01:33:31.700 There are a few people on Twitter doing that.

01:33:34.240 And yes, they do believe that way.

01:33:35.500 But by the way, every day on Twitter, I'm getting people from the right screaming atrocities at me.

01:33:41.040 I'm not going to allow that.

01:33:42.440 So do we find all of you.

01:33:44.480 Please do not allow that to define all of us and know that we are interested.

01:33:49.920 We are curious.

01:33:50.680 We are trying to figure things out.

01:33:52.360 And we're we're we're making that move.

01:33:55.200 Mark, I have to tell you, I have been, as the guys know, and many of the listeners know in this program, I have been searching for people like you for at least two years.

01:34:09.180 And it's just a it's a thrill to talk to you because I know you guys exist.

01:34:17.560 I just know you exist and to have the balls to stand up and to do what you're doing is remarkable.

01:34:27.040 Just remarkable.

01:34:28.600 It's a real honor to talk to you.

01:34:30.320 Appreciate it.

01:34:30.800 I feel I feel the same way.

01:34:32.500 And, you know, hopefully you and I can link up on some things and and just.

01:34:36.400 So let's talk about that.

01:34:37.140 What do we where how can we what do we do?

01:34:39.640 You know, I like I said, I'm starting a new campaign right now.

01:34:43.320 Now, it's in the early stages that, you know, is going to be targeted towards, you know, foster care.

01:34:49.040 And my goal is to a few times a year just basically say, here I am.

01:34:53.760 I'm putting down the money first and then get some of my people around me who have enough extra cash.

01:34:59.500 Thank God I am grossly overpaid for what I do.

01:35:02.460 I'm not going to apologize for it, but I'm going to use some of that stuff because I don't need it and create some of that capital.

01:35:08.280 And again, just as you have said, I'm willing to be the first one to say I'm sorry.

01:35:12.300 I'm willing to take the first step in.

01:35:13.960 I'm looking for people who are willing to be first.

01:35:15.680 So let me do this.

01:35:17.000 Come on, let's go.

01:35:17.740 I'll match you.

01:35:18.760 I'll match you dollar for dollar on what what you're doing.

01:35:21.240 You want to put up another 10 grand or whatever.

01:35:23.400 I'll match you on that.

01:35:25.320 Will you because I and feel free to say no, because I understand everybody's schedules.

01:35:32.620 You're willing to come to Africa with me.

01:35:34.300 You're willing to spend will you're willing to get onto a plane and go and bring awareness to the slave trade that is currently happening in Africa with Operation Underground Railroad.

01:35:49.300 It won't hold you to your answer now because I want you to do your research and see what it's all about.

01:35:54.640 But are you willing to?

01:35:55.440 You know, normally people ask me out for like a milkshake first in Africa.

01:36:01.380 Yeah.

01:36:02.640 I don't care.

01:36:03.360 I don't care how many kids you want.

01:36:04.960 If you want to.

01:36:05.540 If you want a milkshake, I can put one on the plane.

01:36:08.100 But by the way, by the way, I will 100 percent go to Africa with you because this is this is life.

01:36:16.380 I mean, when Glenn Beck says, come on my show and I'm and I'm going to bring you to Africa to do this and this time and the fact that you and I on paper technically, I think, should be screaming at each other.

01:36:29.980 Right.

01:36:30.160 You look at our profile.

01:36:31.840 Yeah.

01:36:33.140 And we're not and we're agreeing.

01:36:35.600 I feel like we owe it to ourselves to dive into this a little more.

01:36:41.060 And, you know, at the very least, scream at each other in Africa.

01:36:45.400 Oh, my God.

01:36:45.940 I would totally watch the movie.

01:36:47.240 Glenn and Mark go to go to Africa.

01:36:50.540 What are the odds that one of us is left in Africa?

01:36:57.500 Great.

01:36:57.940 Mark, it is truly been a privilege to talk to you.

01:37:02.720 I think courage is contagious.

01:37:06.040 And I so commend you for what you're doing.

01:37:11.340 I know the risk you're taking.

01:37:13.800 I know the hits you're going to take from both sides.

01:37:17.080 Believe me.

01:37:18.820 And and I'm just it's I'm just thrilled.

01:37:23.040 And let's stay in touch.

01:37:25.100 And you tell me and please come back on and you tell me what you're doing.

01:37:29.760 And I'll write the check and I'll be in touch and tell you where to meet the plane and we'll go save some kids.

01:37:37.780 That sounds great.

01:37:39.000 Milkshakes, Africa, some charitable giving.

01:37:41.320 We start nice and easy, Glenn.

01:37:43.040 That's it.

01:37:43.920 Start small.

01:37:45.320 Africa today.

01:37:46.460 Mars tomorrow.

01:37:47.400 A bit of advice, Mark.

01:37:48.460 Fly separately.

01:37:49.380 Listen, I appreciate you guys being open and having me and let me pontificate a little bit here and I will for sure be in touch.

01:37:58.340 And, you know, it's very it's very heartening to have a nice conversation like this.

01:38:03.000 And I look forward to more.

01:38:04.540 Likewise.

01:38:04.880 Thank you.

01:38:05.220 Mark Duplass.

01:38:05.760 Thank you so much.

01:38:07.140 He's awesome.

01:38:08.160 He is great.

01:38:09.920 Yeah.

01:38:10.460 And you know what, Pat?

01:38:12.320 Same guy that you saw in the movie.

01:38:14.420 Blue Jay.

01:38:15.280 Right.

01:38:16.100 Just honest.

01:38:18.120 Just this honest, raw, real guy.

01:38:21.560 Yeah.

01:38:22.440 That movie.

01:38:23.080 I love how you hit him with a trip to Africa.

01:38:27.040 That was great.

01:38:28.040 Flying with you.

01:38:29.180 What do actors have to do all day?

01:38:31.420 Well, a lot, I would think.

01:38:32.940 They get up.

01:38:33.840 They, I don't know, walk around and look at themselves in the mirror.

01:38:37.160 Take the dog for a walk.

01:38:38.360 Take the dog for a walk.

01:38:39.480 Look, as a guy who's been there, no matter what tragedy he sees, that flight is the real tragedy.

01:38:44.080 Oh, my gosh.

01:38:44.800 Glenn Beck.

01:38:45.460 Oh, yeah.

01:38:45.920 Where he's talking to you about sex slavery for 15 hours.

01:38:49.660 Oh, man.

01:38:50.500 You're going to wish, you're going to wish he just written a chick.

01:38:52.600 That's kind of a good point, Steve.

01:38:53.080 What do you say?

01:38:54.300 What are the odds?

01:38:55.560 What are the odds I can make him cry by the time?

01:38:58.240 Not cry just to get off the plane, like, please, dear God, get me off this plane.

01:39:03.060 What are the odds?

01:39:03.860 Heartbeat.

01:39:04.160 Oh, I think he can.

01:39:04.880 Yeah.

01:39:05.240 Oh, yeah.

01:39:05.500 Get him to cry.

01:39:05.760 I think he can get him to cry.

01:39:06.780 I think that's what I want to see.

01:39:08.660 You might even break that before you hit the ocean.

01:39:10.540 You're still in the tarmac when he realizes what a mistake he's made.

01:39:16.600 What are the odds that he says to me, you know what?

01:39:20.020 I'm taking a flight back.

01:39:21.760 Or I'm taking a giraffe back.

01:39:25.040 I'm just, I'm going back on the back of a giraffe.

01:39:31.660 Glenn Beck Program.

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01:39:35.780 Mercury.

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01:39:43.820 That was a remarkable, just a remarkable conversation, wasn't it?

01:39:49.760 Oh, yeah.

01:39:50.440 Really good.

01:39:51.460 Really interesting.

01:39:52.260 One on which you could remark?

01:39:53.560 Yes.

01:39:53.820 That's a good point.

01:39:56.040 It was historic as well, Pat, and that had happened in the past.

01:39:59.000 That's right.

01:40:00.660 Yeah, no, he was great.

01:40:02.480 That gives me hope.

01:40:03.740 He's like a really good guy.

01:40:05.300 We went from last hour talking to a guy where we're doomed to this hour saying, there's hope.

01:40:11.860 Yeah, maybe something can happen.

01:40:13.560 I don't know.

01:40:14.040 I mean, you know what I really liked is he said, look, I just want you to know that there are those people.

01:40:19.260 And that's a message, you know, that I should bring to their side more often.

01:40:26.760 Yes, there are people that are, you know, saying, oh, Hollywood sucks, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:40:33.140 But there's also a lot of people who aren't spending any time thinking about that.

01:40:37.480 They're thinking about how can we get together?

01:40:39.380 How can we be better American?

01:40:41.080 It was interesting to see him kind of describe how he's in the middle of going through it.

01:40:44.820 You know, we are we jump in in the middle of that process.

01:40:48.080 He didn't like decide this was the right thing to do three years ago and telling us how to do it.

01:40:51.920 He was kind of learning as he went.

01:40:53.420 I mean, he said himself three months ago, I'm on the Internet doing things I'm embarrassed about.

01:40:57.300 And we've all had those moment moments where like you realize, jeez, am I that guy?

01:41:02.180 Am I doing that thing that I hate?

01:41:04.640 And he was man enough to admit to himself, yeah, I kind of am.

01:41:07.780 How do I change that?

01:41:08.540 You know how, boy, just being on this show, how much crap is he going to get?

01:41:15.160 Yes, he is.

01:41:16.140 Oh, he's going to get a ton of crap.

01:41:18.520 He may not want anything to do with going to Africa.

01:41:21.380 Yeah, no, he may not.

01:41:22.860 He may not.

01:41:23.340 And I would understand it.

01:41:24.520 He may have to escape from Africa to Africa to avoid this.

01:41:28.360 No, I didn't.

01:41:30.080 I thought he was a lion.

01:41:31.060 That's why I shot him.

01:41:32.020 Oops, no, he wasn't a lion.

01:41:33.360 I knew it was Glenn.

01:41:34.160 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:41:37.520 Mercury.

The Glenn Beck Program - April 04, 2017

4⧸4⧸17 - Online Privacy, Hollywood and Politics with Cullen Hoback and Mark Duplass＂

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