The Glenn Beck Program - 6⧸27⧸17 - The GOP is about to force single payer health care on you (Mark Levin & Brad Thor Join)

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00:00:08.260 Hello, America, from Los Angeles, California, it's the Glenn Beck Program.

00:00:13.080 We have an update on what the court decided yesterday, what they're still looking at to decide,

00:00:19.920 and what it all means to you, coming up in a second.

00:00:23.140 Also, the latest from inside the Capitol on what is really going on with health care.

00:00:30.000 It's not pretty.

00:00:32.440 We'll tell you about that, and again, what it means to your life.

00:00:37.640 There is some vital information that I think you need to know,

00:00:43.480 as this does affect you and will affect you and your children for the rest of your life.

00:00:48.720 We're going to begin with the Supreme Court.

00:00:50.900 Also, we have Mark Levin on today, and Brad Thor.

00:00:56.180 We begin right now.

00:00:57.500 I will make a stand, I will raise my voice, I will hold your hand.

00:01:05.580 Because we are one, I will beat my drum, I have made my choice.

00:01:11.900 We will overcome, because we are one.

00:01:16.280 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:01:20.140 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:23.640 Well, I'm going to start with some really good news.

00:01:27.480 The Supreme Court made some monumental rulings yesterday,

00:01:30.880 and agreed to hear another that will decide whether religious freedom is still a core principle in the United States.

00:01:39.220 But let's look at what they did do yesterday.

00:01:41.680 The long-awaited showdown on religious freedom, as it applies to Christian bakers, florists, photographers,

00:01:47.900 owners of wedding venues, and others who have been forced into participating in gay wedding ceremonies.

00:01:54.960 We have a quick recap on this first ruling.

00:01:59.080 There have been several of these incidences around the country,

00:02:02.620 but the one that is going to be decided by the Supreme Court involves a case in Colorado.

00:02:08.800 Now, in Colorado, the lower court ruled that Jack Phillips,

00:02:14.180 he is the owner of a place called the Masterpiece Cake Shop,

00:02:18.220 violated Colorado's public accommodations law.

00:02:21.560 Now, the public accommodation law means that you can't refuse service to customers based on things like race or sex or marital status or sexual orientation.

00:02:34.760 Here's why you should care about this story.

00:02:37.320 Freedom of religion, the freedom to exercise the dictates of our own conscience, is at stake.

00:02:44.460 You may have to participate in compelled speech.

00:02:52.220 That's not good.

00:02:55.420 You may have to participate in things that you have a deep feeling and a deep belief that it is wrong.

00:03:07.760 We are talking about at the level of, if you're a pacifist and you're a Quaker, do you have to go and fight?

00:03:18.420 Well, yes, you do, because it's for the country and we're all citizens.

00:03:24.280 Well, but that goes against the dictates of my spirit, my conscience.

00:03:29.020 You lose conscientious objector, you lose the right of your own conscience, and you are no longer in control.

00:03:40.480 Now, let's look at the facts.

00:03:42.260 Here are the things that we absolutely know.

00:03:44.720 A gay couple, David Mullins and Charlie Craig, visited the Masterpiece Cake Shop in 2012 along with Craig's mother.

00:03:52.060 They wanted to order a cake for their upcoming wedding reception.

00:03:54.940 Now, Mullins and Craig planned to marry in Massachusetts, where same-sex marriages were legal at the time, and then hold the reception in Colorado.

00:04:06.100 But Phillips said, I'm sorry, my religious beliefs, I can't make your wedding cake for a same-sex marriage.

00:04:14.280 He said, there are other bakeries that will be happy to accommodate you.

00:04:17.800 I just have these religious feelings that I cannot move past.

00:04:21.880 Now, here's something important in the fact category.

00:04:27.080 Gay marriage was still prohibited by Colorado law in 2012, meaning that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission determined that Phillips' action violated state law,

00:04:38.940 even though gay marriage violated Colorado state law at the time.

00:04:44.340 So, they're both apparently breaking the law.

00:04:47.620 Even so, the ruling was upheld in Colorado state courts.

00:04:53.300 Now, those are the facts of the case.

00:04:56.140 The contested facts are, Jack Phillips is a bigot.

00:05:00.380 We don't know.

00:05:02.120 He's a homophobe.

00:05:04.360 We don't know.

00:05:06.200 He's violating the rights of the gay couple because he's a religious zealot.

00:05:12.360 Well, when did religiosity become something that you had to shed?

00:05:24.600 He believes his religious sensibilities and his conviction are being violated.

00:05:31.660 He believes it is against his religion to participate in their ceremony, and that is a clear violation of the First Amendment.

00:05:39.660 Now, here's what I believe.

00:05:41.180 This is what this story means to me, what you should take away.

00:05:45.320 If this were the other way around, if a gay baker were being asked by a Christian couple to make a wedding cake that said marriage can only be between a man and a woman, 0.80

00:05:57.200 there is no way the state of Colorado would be forcing the gay baker to make that cake. 0.99

00:06:02.560 No way.

00:06:03.420 If the baker were Muslim, try to imagine the scenario where the court would be forcing him to deny the tenets of Islam.

00:06:13.540 But because Christianity is our major religion, it seems as though it is perfectly acceptable to limit, discriminate against, and totally disregard the convictions of those who practice it. 0.79

00:06:27.380 Why?

00:06:27.720 Forget about the oppression that is happening in Islamic states. 0.58

00:06:40.860 We are a bigger oppressor as Christians.

00:06:44.180 Now, how can you possibly violate the First Amendment by forcing the baker to participate in something that is a violation of his religious convictions?

00:06:54.400 This is a slam dunk in a sane world.

00:06:57.780 The Supreme Court needs to rule in favor of the First Amendment and every American citizen's right to free expression of religion.

00:07:10.000 Now, if it's a sham, that's something different.

00:07:13.420 And that's why we didn't accept conscientious objectors from everybody.

00:07:18.300 You had to show that that is what your faith taught you, and you were a good member of your faith.

00:07:27.660 If this is still America, there is no other way to rule.

00:07:32.400 And the court will rule on this soon.

00:07:36.220 Yesterday, the court did make four decisions.

00:07:39.180 Some of them good.

00:07:40.380 Others, not so much.

00:07:41.740 But there's good news here.

00:07:42.920 In religious liberty, the Supreme Court made a ruling yesterday that flies in the face of the non-existent separation of church and state.

00:07:54.280 This is a big win for people of faith.

00:07:59.820 Until now, Christian-based abstinence organizations have been denied funding and pro-life organizations have been denied participation in governmental programs.

00:08:10.820 While at the same time, an abortion bill, a mill like Planned Parenthood, will receive half a billion dollars a year in government spending.

00:08:23.640 Until now.

00:08:26.120 Yesterday, the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 that the government cannot exclude churches and other faith-based organizations from secular government programs simply because they have a religious identity.

00:08:40.820 7-2.

00:08:42.500 This is a huge surprise because it means that reliable progressive judges, Elena Kagan, Stephen Breyer, both joined Kennedy, Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and our new judge, Neil Gorsuch.

00:09:05.200 And they joined them on the side of the religious organizations.

00:09:08.700 The case involved the state of Missouri denying a church a partial reimbursement grant for rubberized playground surface material made from recycled tires.

00:09:20.380 And the reason why they rejected it is because the church runs the preschool, even though the only purpose of the grant program is to improve children's safety.

00:09:30.400 It sounds like no big deal, but it is actually a very big deal.

00:09:35.540 Thanks to that playground, Christian organizations can no longer be discriminated against.

00:09:41.940 It is a step towards restoring sanity and the constitutional principles.

00:09:46.780 Now, me personally, I have a problem with a tax-exempt organization getting tax dollars.

00:09:57.840 But I would say that about any organization, not just churches.

00:10:04.260 This is, however, in my mind, overruled because it means that if you're Christian, you can get the same services as everyone else.

00:10:16.780 The court has taken a step towards ensuring that you, you and your children, will be allowed to continue to exercise your faith the way you see fit and you are not excluded from the rest of society.

00:10:29.980 This is a rare victory for not Christians, but the Constitution, and strengthens a core American principle. 0.57

00:10:38.800 There was another case involving a same-sex couple.

00:10:42.200 Two female couples petitioned the Supreme Court to review their case, which fought the Arkansas Department of Health Insurance or issuance of birth certificates, bearing only the birth mother's name and not the female spouse.

00:10:57.680 It would have said birth mother and then, you know, the spouse of the father.

00:11:05.140 This is something that is always done, even if the father isn't the father.

00:11:12.320 And it's done for other groups.

00:11:18.400 It's just being held back, not allowing to have a female spouse. 1.00

00:11:24.540 They ruled yesterday and adhered to a provision of the Arkansas law, which was rejected by a trial court, kept in place by the Arkansas Supreme Court.

00:11:37.280 The high court reversed and remanded the Arkansas high court's judgment.

00:11:41.820 They found that until now, opposite-sex couples were being treated differently than same-sex couples in similar situations.

00:11:50.560 Now, here's what's interesting about this.

00:11:53.800 Neil Gorsuch issued a blistering dissent from the Supreme Court's decision that Justice Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito both joined.

00:12:03.860 So, it appears as though Gorsuch is ruling in the way he was advertised to rule, conservatively.

00:12:13.280 We wondered if he would do this with social issues.

00:12:17.500 He certainly did on this one.

00:12:20.600 Gay rights, an issue that has absolutely been now resolved in America.

00:12:26.780 The battle is over.

00:12:28.520 According to the courts and, in large part, the mindset of the American people,

00:12:32.460 gay couples have all of the same benefits and the same rights as opposite-sex partners. 0.99

00:12:37.940 There is no longer any differentiation.

00:12:40.040 Your children are growing up in a world now where it is possible, if not likely, that parts of the Bible could be considered hate speech soon.

00:12:52.160 Now, Gunn writes, strangely, the court refused to hear an important California case whether the Second Amendment gives people the right to carry handguns outside of their home for self-defense,

00:13:03.400 including concealed carry when open carry is forbidden by state law.

00:13:08.620 Clarence Thomas, again, Neil Gorsuch, dissented from the court's decision not to hear the case.

00:13:13.760 Thomas wrote, in part, quote,

00:13:16.320 For those who work in the marbled halls guarded constantly by a vigilant and dedicated police force,

00:13:22.440 the guarantees of the Second Amendment might seem antiquated and superfluous.

00:13:27.980 But the framers made a clear choice.

00:13:31.440 They reserved to all Americans the right to bear arms for self-defense.

00:13:36.040 I do not think that we should stand idly by while a state denies its citizen that same right, particularly when their very lives may depend on it, end quote.

00:13:48.080 If you've been holding your collective breath on Neil Gorsuch, wondering if he's going to turn out like Thomas or Scalia,

00:13:56.960 or he'd be co-opted by the leftist on the bench and wind up like Souter and Kennedy,

00:14:02.800 the early results, but we have some interesting facts about this later on in the broadcast.

00:14:08.880 The early results show that Gorsuch is everything as advertised.

00:14:16.620 This is encouraging news from him.

00:14:19.220 He seems to be the justice that everybody hoped he would be.

00:14:23.720 But because the court as a whole refused to hear the Second Amendment case, and I think this one is critical,

00:14:29.600 not only did they squander the opportunity to strengthen the Second Amendment,

00:14:34.160 but for now, gun owners in California are mostly unable to obtain a permit to carry a gun,

00:14:39.680 so they have no protection, and California is more and more dangerous in the cities.

00:14:44.960 The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed is still not understood by many in the United States.

00:14:53.500 For whatever reason, court failed to act on behalf of the Constitution.

00:14:56.760 Finally, the travel ban.

00:14:59.860 President Trump's travel ban was surprisingly, mostly, mostly allowed by the court.

00:15:08.000 It's not entirely allowed.

00:15:11.080 It's just mostly allowed.

00:15:14.720 Maybe we can get Miracle Max to take it all the way home.

00:15:19.240 They will give this issue a full hearing later in the fall.

00:15:25.280 The Supreme Court, however, yesterday removed the injunction issued by lower courts on refugees

00:15:31.720 without a close tie to the United States, meaning that for the vast majority of refugees,

00:15:37.780 the ban is now being upheld in the interest of national security.

00:15:42.900 It seems like Donald Trump, at this point, is just asking for time to figure out what's going on.

00:15:50.540 And, you know, it's not hard to figure this one out, you know, I believe.

00:15:54.800 There are extremists out there that want to create chaos and kill innocent Americans,

00:15:58.580 and by allowing our government and this administration time to decide how best to secure our nation

00:16:04.700 in a time where it's very difficult to discern who the good guys are and who the bad guys are,

00:16:10.140 Americans, many of them, are somewhat relieved by this ruling.

00:16:14.520 None of us want to see what's happening over in Europe, but again, none of us also want to see a repeat

00:16:20.780 of anything like the Japanese internment camps.

00:16:24.980 This is not a permanent situation, and none of us want our children and our wives or our husbands placed in undue peril.

00:16:34.540 We don't have to accept everyone in our country at once, and we do have an obligation to be discerning about who we allow in,

00:16:43.960 and so far the court is siding with Donald Trump.

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00:18:14.280 I will beat my drum.

00:18:16.420 I have made my choice.

00:18:18.700 We will overcome.

00:18:21.140 Because we have one.

00:18:24.680 Mercury.

00:18:28.200 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:18:29.880 So your house, does your house have to be paid?

00:18:32.500 Sure.

00:18:33.540 There is a, uh, there is a, a real problem happening in, in Washington, D.C.

00:18:41.960 A, an amazing problem that, uh, we all knew, um, but now we have to decide who do we believe.

00:18:53.520 Uh, I'm going to tell you exactly what is happening in Washington with the, uh, Supreme Court.

00:19:01.500 And it's, uh, disappointing at best.

00:19:09.320 But I need to lay out.

00:19:12.180 With the Supreme Court or with the Senate?

00:19:13.780 I'm sorry, not the Supreme Court.

00:19:14.780 With the Senate.

00:19:15.160 With the Senate.

00:19:15.720 Yeah.

00:19:15.900 Uh, it's, it's, it's extremely, um, disappointing.

00:19:21.020 Not surprising.

00:19:22.800 You're being lied to by the media and by the media, uh, on the right as well.

00:19:29.180 Um, they're telling you some things that are absolutely not true.

00:19:34.140 And I believe this is a setup to try to, and I, I, I shouldn't say that.

00:19:39.420 This, this could be a setup, uh, to try to blame this whole thing on conservative Republicans,

00:19:45.740 uh, and, uh, finally have a progressive bill that does bring you single-payer health care.

00:19:52.720 I'm, I'm going to show you, um, why this matters to you.

00:19:57.480 And what this actually means to your life.

00:20:02.620 And we'll give that to you coming up in a second.

00:20:04.780 The Glenn Beck Program.

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00:20:25.940 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:20:28.020 Welcome to it.

00:20:31.200 The Mercury Studios in Los Angeles, California.

00:20:34.780 Hello and welcome.

00:20:36.000 I'm so glad that you have tuned in today.

00:20:37.680 Now there's a few things that I want to talk to you about on the Senate.

00:20:41.300 First of all, the CBO scoring came out and it's not good news for the Republicans.

00:20:47.180 So let's look at what the CBO said.

00:20:50.040 Now remember, the CBO is, is always low.

00:20:55.760 They've never come out and said, oh my gosh, uh, this is going to be so expensive.

00:21:00.720 And it turns out that it's cheap.

00:21:02.680 It is always low.

00:21:04.940 I don't know how they do it, but they have a perfect record of underestimating the cost of everything.

00:21:11.320 So, here's what they came out and said yesterday.

00:21:16.600 Stu.

00:21:17.580 You know, it's interesting.

00:21:19.120 The big takeaway from pretty much everybody is 24 million people will be uninsured because of this plan.

00:21:27.300 Rachel Maddow tweeted that 24 million people losing insurance is roughly equivalent to the population of 15 particular states.

00:21:35.060 So, this is a big deal.

00:21:37.420 It's the only thing being reported from the CBO report.

00:21:39.420 It will also reduce the number of people on Medicaid by 15 million by 2026.

00:21:45.560 So, that's, but that's, that's part of the total 24 million.

00:21:48.020 Right.

00:21:48.260 And again, it's not going to, that's not going to happen because they're not, that's not being enacted until like 2024, 2025.

00:21:56.060 This is just not, they'll never get there.

00:21:58.440 They'll never get there.

00:21:59.260 First of all, obviously, you know, five Congresses from now, we cannot count on them to maintain these cuts to Medicaid.

00:22:08.260 I mean, and again, you know, part of the cuts to Medicaid come with an offset of increased payments from the exchanges, which is what we typically refer to as Obamacare.

00:22:18.980 So, it really isn't, it doesn't, these are, a lot of these are just partisan lies by people who want to defeat the bill or that people want to praise the bill.

00:22:27.840 So, what is the 24 million number?

00:22:31.660 The important part about that, that everybody needs to know when you're talking to your friends today and they say, oh, 24 million people are going to lose insurance.

00:22:38.180 The most important part about that is the vast majority of those people are going to lose insurance because they are not going to have someone come into their home and rip their insurance policy up and take it away.

00:22:47.880 They are going to choose not to sign up.

00:22:51.100 These are people who are forced into signing up now because of the fee.

00:22:54.640 They are signing up only because of the fee.

00:22:57.200 And when the fee goes away, the Obamacare individual mandate fee, they will choose not to purchase insurance anymore.

00:23:03.800 That is not the same as taking it from them.

00:23:06.120 Right.

00:23:06.200 I want to, I want to really make sure that everybody understands the, the individual mandate happened because if you don't have the mandate and you understand the free market system, insurance isn't insurance.

00:23:22.760 If I can go and buy insurance, if I go to the doctor and he says, you have cancer.

00:23:27.880 And I say, crap, I don't have any insurance.

00:23:31.760 Don't worry, son.

00:23:33.440 I'm your uncle, Sam.

00:23:35.660 Sign up today.

00:23:37.020 And even though you've just been diagnosed with cancer and have let your insurance lapse and haven't had it, maybe even in your entire life, the American people are here to bail you out.

00:23:49.640 Okay.

00:23:50.620 All right.

00:23:51.920 Well, that's not insurance.

00:23:53.680 That's a guaranteed health program that everybody gets it.

00:23:59.260 Now, the problem with that is you're still running a sham operation.

00:24:05.740 And instead of saying we have a single payer system that everybody just pays extra tax and we all have insurance and we don't ever have to worry about signing up.

00:24:16.600 What we're doing is we're taking the free market and telling it, you cannot make a profit.

00:24:23.600 You can't, you must take all of these risks.

00:24:27.180 And by the way, it's not that they just have to take you.

00:24:30.960 They cannot raise anyone's rate because they've let their insurance elapse.

00:24:38.060 That's what happens.

00:24:39.160 If you let your insurance elapse, they know you're not a safe bet.

00:24:45.160 You haven't been paying in the pool.

00:24:47.460 And this is the idea of when we say we're all in this together, it means that all of us, all of us have to pay something in.

00:24:58.840 So whether it's, you know, it's the widow's mite, whether it is $10 a month, but you've paid something in, you pay it in.

00:25:11.720 But what's happening is all of the paperwork, all of the, all of the teams of attorneys, all of the teams of people to make sure that paperwork is in is sucking up all of the money that should be used for health insurance.

00:25:27.720 Now, let me tell you what's happened because of it.

00:25:32.900 You were told that if you do this, you would get $2,500 decrease.

00:25:40.920 You, every family in America would save $2,500 at least in the first year alone.

00:25:51.060 Instead, we have had a 140% increase in your premium.

00:25:59.760 Why?

00:26:01.220 Well, that makes you hate.

00:26:03.160 Now, think of this.

00:26:04.140 Think of this as strategy.

00:26:05.900 Who do you hate?

00:26:08.320 I don't hear the people hating the government.

00:26:11.020 I don't hear people hating the Democrats or the Republicans.

00:26:15.160 I hear them hating who?

00:26:17.960 The insurance companies.

00:26:19.520 The insurance companies, they're getting rich.

00:26:23.900 Okay.

00:26:26.800 Well, let's see.

00:26:28.360 But they're being forced to do stuff.

00:26:30.840 And a lot of them called this on themselves.

00:26:33.780 So I don't have a lot of sympathy for them.

00:26:36.960 But this system doesn't work.

00:26:40.000 It is going to collapse.

00:26:43.740 Well, I hate the insurance companies.

00:26:45.700 And nobody is saying, well, it was the federal government that put unreasonable rules in that force these companies to do this.

00:26:54.480 And it increases their cost of doing business.

00:26:58.260 And so they're passing on all of that risk now to those who are paying for insurance.

00:27:04.200 It's exactly what we said would happen.

00:27:07.120 It's happening now.

00:27:08.200 So here's what's here's what I think is is happening.

00:27:13.660 And we have we have some sources on background.

00:27:18.220 And I will tell you that what you're hearing in the left media is an absolute lie.

00:27:26.740 And what you're hearing for the most part in the right is an absolute lie.

00:27:32.640 The the mainstream media wants to destroy Donald Trump and the Republicans.

00:27:38.540 The right media wants to protect Donald Trump and the GOP establishment.

00:27:47.920 You're being asked to believe Mitch McConnell.

00:27:53.820 Forget Donald Trump.

00:27:55.200 You're being asked to believe Mitch McConnell.

00:28:00.880 Over people like the guys that got in and, you know, the Mike Lees, the Ted Cruises, the Rand Pauls, the people who have stood by their principles and never wavered.

00:28:16.660 Those people are being blamed for this.

00:28:20.040 Now, let me tell you.

00:28:22.220 What has happened?

00:28:23.380 You're going to hear and you're already hearing it from people like Hugh Hewitt, who I really like and respect.

00:28:30.260 I like Hugh Hewitt.

00:28:31.280 I don't have anything bad to say.

00:28:33.860 But I know he's one of them that is on currently beating the drum, which is the Mitch McConnell lie.

00:28:41.680 And that lie is that the parliamentarian has said you cannot repeal Obamacare.

00:28:49.080 You have to choose.

00:28:50.460 And so the parliamentarian would not allow them to fully repeal Obamacare.

00:28:57.700 There are two provisions that have to be repealed.

00:29:00.840 What they did is they repealed the mandate, but they didn't repeal that you have that anybody with pre-existing conditions or cancer and they find it today.

00:29:13.360 They don't have a pre-existing condition.

00:29:15.660 See, when we hear pre-existing conditions, we think of people like my daughter who has had cerebral palsy her whole life and is struggling and trying to get her on insurance is crazy.

00:29:27.400 What we're also talking about are those people who are irresponsible.

00:29:35.340 Now, some can't afford it.

00:29:38.000 Some are irresponsible that are like, I'm not paying for it when I pay for insurance when I can just go get it when I'm really, really sick.

00:29:45.020 I'm young and then I'm in a car accident and I don't have insurance because I don't need it.

00:29:51.400 Nothing's going to happen to me.

00:29:52.520 And all of a sudden we're paying a million dollar bill.

00:29:55.460 That is the person that you need to concentrate on because that person is directly influencing your 140% increase.

00:30:08.780 So we're getting rid of the mandate that says to that 20-something, you have to have insurance.

00:30:15.460 You have to have it.

00:30:18.780 We're getting rid of that, but we're not getting rid of the insurance company.

00:30:24.660 You have to pay for that person who didn't have insurance and that you cannot raise the rates if they've let their insurance policy lapse.

00:30:40.780 Those are the two drivers that affect you.

00:30:45.120 Those two things are the reason you've had 140% increase.

00:30:51.080 Without those two, insurance rates will go down and you'll be able to afford your insurance again.

00:31:00.240 With those two in and the mandate taken, your insurance rate is going to go up faster than it has under Obamacare.

00:31:11.580 To me, this is what they're doing is they're blaming the parliamentarian.

00:31:18.020 I want you to understand that is an absolute 100% total lie.

00:31:24.880 The leadership of the GOP under Mitch McConnell have lied to those senators who were part of the committee who were saying, look, we want to work this out.

00:31:38.160 We want to work this out.

00:31:39.080 But you have to get rid of those two things because that's the main driver.

00:31:43.620 And the pain for America is the insurance costs, the premiums going up.

00:31:49.420 If the premiums weren't going up, you wouldn't be having a problem with this.

00:31:53.740 But the premiums are going up.

00:31:56.580 And so you have to reduce the premiums.

00:31:59.120 They said, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, and they've never did anything about it.

00:32:04.920 And now they're running out the clock and they're saying that the parliamentarian is the one who has stopped it.

00:32:13.420 But I want you to understand the parliamentarian was never asked.

00:32:19.020 The parliamentarian has ruled.

00:32:21.320 You can take all of it or none of it.

00:32:25.780 There is no reason to take half of it.

00:32:29.920 For parliamentarian rules, it's either all or none.

00:32:34.280 And the leadership and Mitch McConnell have lied to the members of Congress.

00:32:39.520 Now, I don't know why.

00:32:42.380 But it appears to me as though they're running out the clock.

00:32:46.200 Because they want a progressive insurance program.

00:32:53.000 They do want single payer health care. 0.93

00:32:56.740 They want control of this.

00:32:59.260 And they don't mind squeezing you to get universal health care.

00:33:04.920 Because if they fix it now, it's going to be so painful by 18.

00:33:10.340 They're going to have another plan to fix it.

00:33:12.800 And this time, they're not going to have to worry about those constitutionalists like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul and Mike Lee.

00:33:23.700 They're not going to have to worry about those people because they've been long discredited.

00:33:28.140 Do not believe the parliamentarian lie.

00:33:32.300 Because that's exactly what it is.

00:33:34.260 I ask you to ask yourself, do you believe Mitch McConnell or do you believe Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and those who are around them?

00:33:50.440 Something is wrong here.

00:33:52.640 And it is the usual suspects, unfortunately, because we are so split and we are so many of us are feeling we need to protect the president because the press is lying.

00:34:09.140 That we're not looking at the other hand, which is controlled by Mitch McConnell.

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00:36:09.260 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:36:16.640 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:36:20.860 Mark Levin has a new book out.

00:36:22.780 It's on American exceptionalism and the American idea and the American spirit and how we have lost it to the progressives.

00:36:34.260 And he's going to be on with us in just a few minutes.

00:36:36.180 It's also the one, the only, the never even think about being controversial, Brad Thor joins us today on the program.

00:36:49.720 You don't want to miss that because it might be a little, what do we say when Bill O'Reilly's on?

00:36:56.080 A little prickly.

00:36:57.120 Might be a little prickly, but lots of fun.

00:37:00.040 You don't want to miss that.

00:37:00.940 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:37:21.000 Mercury.

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00:37:40.300 On Demand.

00:37:43.840 Well, three journalists have resigned from CNN after the publication of the Russia-related article that they did.

00:37:54.100 Turned out to be inaccurate and not well-sourced.

00:37:58.100 Oh, shut up. 0.99

00:37:59.780 Get out of here.

00:38:00.940 Good news is, is that CNN is saying, I think we really probably should be better sourced than that.

00:38:07.840 Let's see if anything changes now that they have dismissed three people from CNN.

00:38:14.760 I would like to see them fired, but maybe that's just me.

00:38:18.060 Also, Chip and Joanna Gaines are in the news today.

00:38:21.960 I love these guys.

00:38:22.960 They have totally transformed Waco, Texas, and they are getting involved in the life of a paralyzed firefighter.

00:38:32.440 A good, no, a great story.

00:38:34.980 Also, Brad Thor is going to be joining us here in just a second.

00:38:38.120 And Mark Levin has a new book called Rediscovering Americanism and the Tyranny of Progressivism.

00:38:46.360 In his book, he outlines what the problems are, how it started long ago, this is not a new problem, and what we need to do about it.

00:38:58.960 Mark Levin joins us right now.

00:39:01.780 I will make a stand.

00:39:05.140 I will raise my voice.

00:39:07.360 I will hold your hand.

00:39:09.740 Because we are one.

00:39:11.620 I will beat my drum.

00:39:13.880 I have made my choice.

00:39:16.120 We will overcome.

00:39:18.440 Because we are one.

00:39:20.280 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:39:24.300 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:39:28.960 A top advisor in the Reagan administration.

00:39:31.960 Author of multiple bestsellers.

00:39:34.760 Chairman of the Landmark Legal Foundation.

00:39:38.100 Also, the syndicated talk host and host of Levin TV.

00:39:43.340 Mark Levin is with us now.

00:39:44.680 Hi, Mark.

00:39:45.100 How are you?

00:39:45.880 Glenn Beck.

00:39:46.720 I'm great.

00:39:47.380 How are you and the family?

00:39:48.420 I am really good.

00:39:50.800 Really good.

00:39:51.620 Mark, I want to jump right into the back.

00:39:55.140 Can I just say real fast, I like what you like.

00:39:58.240 I like HGTV, and I love the games.

00:40:01.140 They're terrific.

00:40:02.240 I do, too.

00:40:02.400 I think they remind me of what America is supposed to be like.

00:40:09.300 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:09.720 And it's good to see that people still believe in that.

00:40:17.960 And quite honestly, it has replaced the news channels in my home.

00:40:22.540 Me, too.

00:40:22.960 And with the kids, it's replaced the Disney channel.

00:40:25.940 I can't trust anything.

00:40:27.100 But I can trust Chip and Joanna with my kids when I walk out of the room.

00:40:30.700 All right.

00:40:31.180 You want to hear something funny?

00:40:32.160 When I have to leave my dog for several hours, I keep the TV on HGTV.

00:40:37.540 I got to tell you, I don't know how HGTV is not the number one channel in all of cable.

00:40:44.480 Yeah.

00:40:44.960 I don't know.

00:40:46.080 I don't know.

00:40:46.620 It's a great station.

00:40:47.420 Anyway, sorry about that.

00:40:48.420 I want to jump to the back of the book here, where you talk about the Bill of Rights and

00:40:55.420 the Constitution, and you talk about how this was not set up to give people rights.

00:41:02.240 This was set up to restrain the government from infringing on those rights.

00:41:08.780 And that, you know, you make the point through the book that we really, we need to stand up

00:41:14.840 for our rights and our natural rights and stop the government from stealing those liberties.

00:41:21.500 But it seems, Mark, that at every turn, we try, but it just doesn't, they don't care.

00:41:29.560 First of all, people need to know what these rights are so they know what they're defending.

00:41:34.880 And we always discuss them at a surface level.

00:41:37.720 And they need to understand, these go back since the beginning of mankind, thousands

00:41:43.220 and thousands of years.

00:41:44.320 This idea of progressivism is all-time tyranny.

00:41:48.060 And what I try to explain to people is, you know, we talk about freedom, July 4th coming

00:41:52.100 up.

00:41:52.620 What does all that mean?

00:41:54.780 And where did the founders of our country get these ideas from?

00:41:57.920 They didn't invent them.

00:41:59.540 And these philosophers didn't invent them.

00:42:02.220 You know, we rely on people like, believe it or not, folks, Aristotle and Sussanthel.

00:42:07.720 Sussanthel and Locke and Montesquieu and Burke, and they're not taught.

00:42:12.920 The other side relies on people like Marx and Hegel and Rousseau, and they are taught.

00:42:19.220 And so you're not going to get, your children are not going to get what they need to get

00:42:24.960 from our public schools or colleges or universities.

00:42:27.660 They're going to get the opposite of it.

00:42:29.320 Because one of the efforts of the progressive movement a hundred years ago, and they've

00:42:33.680 succeeded, is to take their ideology and make it in the classrooms and teach it in the

00:42:41.660 classrooms.

00:42:42.540 You know, John Dewey talks about this.

00:42:44.600 Their positions are not going to be advanced unless they can control what people are thinking.

00:42:50.100 And so, even look at this Obamacare debate.

00:42:54.280 Is there any discussion among the political class whatsoever about individual decision-making,

00:43:02.680 about individual freedom to pick whatever the hell you want to pick, and for somebody

00:43:06.760 to sell you whatever the hell they want to sell you?

00:43:09.600 No.

00:43:09.780 I mean, when it comes to toasters and refrigerators and cars and so forth, we get to make those

00:43:16.700 decisions.

00:43:17.080 But when it comes to our own well-being and our own lifestyle, and I try to dig in, and

00:43:21.300 Glenn, you're familiar with these things, I try to dig in and explain to people, cut

00:43:27.180 through all the static, all the chatter that's going on on TV, and even some radio and so forth,

00:43:32.560 and understand more deeply what's going on here.

00:43:35.160 Well, we're going to get caught in the weeds, and we'll never get out of the weeds.

00:43:37.640 So that's the purpose of the book.

00:43:40.340 So let's look, because I was so thrilled to see that you're really engaging in the fight

00:43:47.760 on progressivism in a historic sense.

00:43:53.000 And you talk about the early leaders of progressivism and where it came from and how it's working

00:43:59.000 now.

00:43:59.420 We're seeing this now play out, and we're seeing it play out in this Obamacare discussion,

00:44:07.120 and, you know, they're lying.

00:44:11.340 They're absolutely lying.

00:44:12.860 And I mean the progressives like Mitch McConnell.

00:44:16.600 Exactly.

00:44:17.480 I don't know what game is being played, but this has nothing to do with the parliamentarian.

00:44:24.740 And I don't know if they just are trying to sweep out any constitutionalists and discredit

00:44:29.600 them.

00:44:29.860 I don't know if they really do want a single-payer health system.

00:44:34.800 I mean, but you can't trust the Republicans because the Republicans have, I mean, they

00:44:40.520 were the guys who started the first progressive party.

00:44:43.460 That's right, Theodore Roosevelt.

00:44:46.020 I mean, let's be honest.

00:44:47.160 The Republican Party is a progressive party.

00:44:49.900 The Democrat Party is a radical progressive party.

00:44:53.560 Yes.

00:44:54.060 But there's no constitutional party.

00:44:56.800 And I don't want to hear about these little third parties that get about 12,000 votes.

00:45:00.200 I'm not talking about them.

00:45:01.520 I'm talking about the two major parties.

00:45:03.280 And the problem we have here is that we are debating within their environment.

00:45:11.740 It's never about whether the government should be involved in this.

00:45:14.980 It's how much government should be involved in this.

00:45:17.220 It's never about individual liberty, individual choice.

00:45:21.400 It's always about collectivism.

00:45:24.640 And what the left does, you hear Bernie Sanders do this now and Nancy Pelosi, thousands of people,

00:45:30.840 hundreds of thousands of people will die if we don't have Obamacare.

00:45:35.520 Are you kidding me?

00:45:36.740 I mean, Obamacare, what is it, eight years old?

00:45:38.980 So now all of a sudden, hundreds of thousands of people will die if we don't have Obamacare.

00:45:42.740 And the problem is the Republican Party has been conquered and much of society has been conquered.

00:45:47.260 There's not a single department, a single agency, a single program, a single entitlement that's,

00:45:53.620 forget about being eliminated, that's been curtailed.

00:45:57.120 And why is that?

00:45:58.520 It's because we're on this trajectory.

00:46:00.700 So what I'm saying in this book is, all right, let's step back.

00:46:04.760 Let's understand the genius of our founding.

00:46:07.820 Let's understand what is meant by the Declaration of Independence.

00:46:11.040 We all embrace it.

00:46:11.820 Now, what do they mean by natural law and natural rights?

00:46:14.200 On the other hand, this other side, these two forces that are constantly fighting each other,

00:46:19.960 although our force is fighting less these days,

00:46:22.260 what is all that about, that mix of authoritarianism and tyranny and state and all the rest of it?

00:46:30.320 Where does that come from?

00:46:32.360 And, you know, you ignore the academics and you ignore the intellectuals at your own peril,

00:46:37.720 because in the end, they're the ones that decide our politics.

00:46:40.800 And this is a battle over the future of America.

00:46:44.100 It's a battle over humanity.

00:46:47.040 And the centralization of decision-making in the hands of self-claimed masterminds

00:46:53.180 who seek to impose their will and then dress it up as the general good and the general will

00:46:58.020 and the benefit of the people, they are the modern-day tyrants.

00:47:01.360 And they can call themselves progressives all they want, but they are what they are.

00:47:07.200 Is there a way, Mark, to reach, what, 60% of the nation and come together?

00:47:25.660 And I'm not talking policies.

00:47:27.040 I'm talking about principles of natural law.

00:47:30.780 Do you believe that there are people on both sides that are problems

00:47:35.600 and both sides that can share the same values that we can reunite on?

00:47:46.180 Here's the problem.

00:47:47.920 I believe there are some people like that, but I don't think there are 60%.

00:47:52.000 And I'll tell you why.

00:47:53.920 One of the things the progressive philosophers and then their so-called thinkers

00:47:59.820 Herbert Crowley, Wilde...

00:48:03.640 Explain Herbert Crowley.

00:48:07.500 People need to know who he is.

00:48:08.980 I mean, he was the worst of the worst.

00:48:10.580 And he was born in 1868.

00:48:13.660 He lived into the 1830s.

00:48:15.380 He had an enormous influence on Theodore Roosevelt, among others.

00:48:18.420 And his parents were radical leftists.

00:48:23.240 And they intellectualized, in my view, totalitarianism.

00:48:29.760 And he embraces Hegel and Rousseau and Marx in their own way, mostly Hegel, and so do the others.

00:48:38.360 And it's this.

00:48:40.640 In order to find the individual, to find their self-realization, that's what they call it,

00:48:47.300 they have to surrender their personal free will.

00:48:50.900 They have to surrender their individualism if they're to enjoy sort of a paradisiacal existence.

00:48:57.160 So, there's a collective.

00:49:00.100 There's a community.

00:49:01.760 And the more perfect this collective and community becomes, the more perfect the individual becomes.

00:49:09.080 And you're less an individual.

00:49:10.540 You're part of this magnificent society.

00:49:12.840 And you can hear some Marxism in this, too.

00:49:16.420 And what this is called...

00:49:17.980 This is the German idealism.

00:49:19.940 It's called historicism.

00:49:21.520 Marx changed it to material historicism.

00:49:23.860 Not that everybody's eyes to glaze over.

00:49:25.960 So, Crowley takes this, and he quote-unquote, Americanizes this.

00:49:31.040 And so, they have to attack the Declaration of Independence.

00:49:35.020 They have to attack the notion of unalienable individual rights.

00:49:39.180 They have to attack the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

00:49:43.340 Because they have to have conformity.

00:49:46.980 Everybody has to be rowing in the same direction in order to get to this paradise.

00:49:51.740 This paradise, which is nothing more than the personal agenda of these individuals, which they seek to impose on the country.

00:50:01.000 This massive bureaucracy we have is an outgrowth of the progressive movement.

00:50:06.680 And it exists for the purpose of getting around our constitutional system.

00:50:11.300 Elections don't matter. 0.95

00:50:13.060 They don't go away.

00:50:14.340 It doesn't change the overall direction of the bureaucracy.

00:50:17.720 They have given themselves tenure, union protection, civil service protection.

00:50:22.340 They're not experts.

00:50:23.300 They're not professionals.

00:50:25.120 They're pushing an ideology.

00:50:26.840 Not all of them, but as a rule.

00:50:28.880 And so, whether we have an election or not, there they are.

00:50:32.860 Redistributing wealth, issuing regulations and fiats, issuing fines and penalties.

00:50:38.700 Whether Congress says so or not, the President says so or not, and the American people want it or not.

00:50:43.180 The will of the people is irrelevant.

00:50:44.820 And yet, Glenn, they always dress it up, when you listen to guys like Bernie Sanders, as populism.

00:50:51.520 They always dress it up as popular sovereignty.

00:50:54.040 The people deserve, and the people need, and I stand for the people.

00:50:57.680 And yet, it always involves centralized government.

00:51:02.520 It always involves a government-oriented program.

00:51:06.860 And so, the point is that this war on our founding, this war on the Declaration, this war on the Constitution, separation of powers, is the greatest disaster to these people.

00:51:18.980 Because they need a centralized authority that imposes its will.

00:51:22.300 So we can get to the end of the rainbow.

00:51:24.260 So, that's why you see the attacks on the Constitution.

00:51:28.540 But what I put in the book are the exact quotes.

00:51:30.780 These people smearing these principles, attacking the Declaration, attacking the Constitution.

00:51:36.340 They call, the individualism that you and I and our listeners believe in, they call old individualism.

00:51:42.040 There's a new individualism.

00:51:43.660 We have surrendered to the state.

00:51:46.200 You and I talk about liberty.

00:51:48.300 For liberty to you and me, that means this circle of liberty around us that Aristotle talked about, and to Tocqueville talked about, and Locke talked about.

00:51:55.600 This circle of liberty that the government may not penetrate, and the extent to which the government is involved in our liberty and needs to intervene, it must not seek to do so to dominate us.

00:52:09.020 And that's not what Obamacare is.

00:52:13.160 That's not what all these other things that they've created on the left.

00:52:17.600 It is intended to change us, to remake us.

00:52:21.220 And the reason you get increased centralization and increased police state policies and tactics is because it goes against man's nature.

00:52:30.260 It goes against history.

00:52:32.780 All right, I've been rambling.

00:52:34.420 No, no, no.

00:52:35.100 How long do I have you?

00:52:36.300 Let's see here.

00:52:39.200 Think about it in a break.

00:52:40.420 I'm going to come back.

00:52:40.960 In 30, maybe?

00:52:42.080 Okay.

00:52:42.980 Hang on for just a second.

00:52:44.180 Let me take a quick break with Mark Levin, because I want to pick it up where he just left.

00:52:49.400 I have a couple of questions on how we can come together, because he's right.

00:52:54.100 That is the problem.

00:52:56.560 Now, how can we change that?

00:52:58.820 Back in a second with Mark Levin.

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00:54:16.040 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:54:20.160 Mercury.

00:54:23.580 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:54:28.640 We have Mark Levin on.

00:54:30.260 He is the author of Rediscovering Americanism.

00:54:33.520 It's his new book.

00:54:34.700 Friend of the program.

00:54:36.560 One of the more brilliant people.

00:54:38.960 And a friend of Glenn Beck.

00:54:41.640 Thank you very much, Mark.

00:54:43.080 We have become good friends over the last year or so.

00:54:46.520 And, you know, we don't always agree on everything.

00:54:48.680 But who does?

00:54:49.820 Right.

00:54:50.040 And we agree on far more than we disagree, I think.

00:54:53.980 That's right.

00:54:55.700 Mark, you said on your radio show about the Senate health care bill that the two parties have abandoned capitalism.

00:55:03.580 It goes really to the point of your book.

00:55:05.840 If we don't, if we abandon our principles, we never get the country back that we remember as a kid, all the good parts without all the bad parts.

00:55:16.620 Because we are, I mean, the Republicans are abandoning all of that.

00:55:24.620 So let's use your book.

00:55:26.740 And how do we get people to understand that this is a really bad deal that Mitch McConnell has just given us?

00:55:34.600 And we've got to stand up for our own individual right.

00:55:39.800 I think, first of all, we have to stop defining ourselves through the Republican Party or Washington or whatever.

00:55:48.100 It's a cesspool.

00:55:49.560 Yes.

00:55:50.120 We have to get back to our own souls and our own hearts and our own belief systems.

00:55:55.720 And it's going to take the citizenry to do that.

00:55:58.520 And, you know, I include a letter in this book from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams.

00:56:04.600 In which he looks back at Rome and he basically says, Cicero, Brutus, Cato, none of them could save Rome because the people lost their virtue.

00:56:14.700 No system could be put in place to save them.

00:56:17.340 What I'm saying is, we, the people, with our families, with our friends, at the grassroots, we don't need to run everything by Mitch McConnell or the public school system or whatever.

00:56:29.920 We can read.

00:56:30.860 We can talk.

00:56:31.660 We can have the discussions like the colonists did and so forth and so on at the dinner table at our restaurants and our churches and synagogues and so forth.

00:56:40.680 But we can't have those discussions if we don't really know the nub of the matter.

00:56:45.400 And that's what I'm trying to get at.

00:56:47.100 I don't know if this will have any influence or not.

00:56:49.160 If it affects a thousand people, that's a good thing.

00:56:51.920 I don't expect it to change history, Glenn.

00:56:54.300 It's taken us over 100 years to get here.

00:56:56.540 It's probably going to take us, if we can, over 100 years to get out of this.

00:57:01.020 But I don't know.

00:57:03.200 Boy, I couldn't agree with you more.

00:57:06.500 And it is the reason that I have kind of let my shoulders kind of go down a bit of taking on such a big fight.

00:57:14.460 The fight has to be fought by the individual.

00:57:16.520 And we all have to choose to be in the fight or not.

00:57:20.800 Mark Levin, the name of the book is Rediscovering Americanism and the Tyranny of Progressivism.

00:57:26.740 Mark, always good to have you.

00:57:28.400 Please say hi to Julie for me.

00:57:29.940 And good luck on everything you're working on.

00:57:33.680 And you're a beautiful wife, too.

00:57:35.120 God bless.

00:57:35.920 God bless.

00:57:37.520 Rediscovering Americanism, Mark Levin.

00:57:40.440 Back in a second.

00:57:41.420 Brad Thor, next hour.

00:57:42.800 We are what?

00:57:54.000 The Glenn Beck Program.

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00:58:01.220 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:58:04.400 You know, guys, I'd like to kind of talk to you about what Mark was talking about.

00:58:09.720 And can we go theoretical here for just a second on on his book?

00:58:17.120 And he you know, he makes a really good case in his book of what we need to learn about progressivism and and what the answers are.

00:58:27.680 And it is it is so good to see finally that progressivism is being known by its historic roots.

00:58:39.840 I mean, if you remember on this program 10 years ago, we started talking about it and nobody cared about the historic roots.

00:58:45.180 And we made the case for probably two years completely alone saying, no, no, no, the historic roots must be understood by the mass, not just the intellectuals.

00:58:57.300 And and it is the disease or the cancer that is eating the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

00:59:07.300 And as he points out in his new book, it was designed to be that openly designed to be that.

00:59:14.220 But have you guys seen his book yet?

00:59:16.240 Have you seen the cover of his book?

00:59:18.160 Yeah, we have it.

00:59:18.700 We had it here a moment ago.

00:59:20.360 Yeah.

00:59:20.480 OK, so the cover of his book is he is standing by an American flag.

00:59:26.880 And I want to have a a an intellectual discussion here for a second and show you in action what I believe is happening in America.

00:59:38.760 If you look at the cover of his book, it is perfect for the audience that he's trying to reach.

00:59:47.140 He's trying to reach the conservatives.

00:59:49.820 And so he is standing with, you know, full on.

00:59:54.340 So, you know, it's Mark Levin has his name in bold up above.

00:59:58.780 So, you know exactly who it is.

00:59:59.980 But forget that, you know, it's Mark Levin.

01:00:03.320 Let's just say this is a book that is on the shelf and it's trying to reach everybody.

01:00:09.420 So you put Joe Blow up there and Joe Blow is is on the cover.

01:00:14.560 And so it's not Mark's book and it's trying to appeal to everyone.

01:00:19.120 What can you see in this book that is that is a not just a turnoff, but confusing or made to look like poison to anyone on the left?

01:00:35.300 And I don't mean the hard left.

01:00:36.720 I mean, just the liberal mindset.

01:00:43.660 If you're just looking at visuals and you're looking at the at the title and everything else, you're looking at the whole cover.

01:00:49.500 What's the problem?

01:00:52.580 The American flag.

01:00:54.300 The American flag is one.

01:00:56.340 There's two that jump out at me.

01:00:58.300 The fact that it's a book.

01:01:04.940 People don't like words.

01:01:08.120 OK, so there's the American flag and then the title rediscovering Americanism.

01:01:13.400 We have these moral foundations and in these moral foundations, there is there is care and harm.

01:01:25.580 There is sanctity and degradation.

01:01:28.640 And let me use that one as a prime example, because it's so clear cut with the left.

01:01:34.380 There really is nothing sacred.

01:01:36.900 And some people say that global warming is becoming a religion, but it's really not.

01:01:43.240 They don't.

01:01:43.900 Some do.

01:01:44.860 But generally speaking, they don't look at the planet as sacred.

01:01:49.180 If they did, they would not leave the trash behind when they have these big global warming festivals.

01:01:56.840 They would not get onto their jet because the Earth is sacred and they really, truly believe that.

01:02:04.780 So there is nothing that is sacred.

01:02:09.300 And that's why you see degradation and so many shows and so many things that are produced by, you know, diehard progressive liberals.

01:02:19.600 It can go to really horrible places, really dark, you know, and degrading places easy because there is no sanctity and degradation is left to go.

01:02:35.500 There's no balance.

01:02:36.280 What global warming is really all about is the idea that there is oppression.

01:02:45.620 The main moral foundation of the left is care, not harm, but care and oppression.

01:03:02.000 Now, the flip side of oppression is liberty, but they don't have both sides of that moral pillar.

01:03:10.820 They only have oppression.

01:03:13.040 They understand liberty to be the end of oppression.

01:03:18.680 Well, who are they teaching and who have they been taught is the great oppressor.

01:03:24.240 America and more specifically, the white European Anglo-Saxon that came over, that started America.

01:03:33.660 And so we've raped the Earth.

01:03:37.240 We have stolen everyone else's history, everyone else's land. 0.99

01:03:43.000 And we, as white men, and in particular, white European and mainly American men are the oppressor.

01:03:53.200 So when you see things, the reason why they don't cry, you know, when they see soldiers come back, generally speaking, I hate to make this all so general, but generally speaking, the reason why they don't look at the troops the same way is because it's an American troop and Americans are seen as the oppressor.

01:04:16.580 So when they leave the garbage on the ground, it's not because the global warming has become a religion.

01:04:24.680 It's because they're trying to stop the end of oppression.

01:04:29.060 They are trying to make sure that America is stopped.

01:04:35.140 That's why they don't you don't hear them talking about China.

01:04:38.500 China is by far the worst on the planet. 1.00

01:04:40.920 And yet the smog is so bad, everybody's wearing masks and you can't see the skyline almost every day.

01:04:48.080 And yet you have people like Al Gore saying China is ahead of us.

01:04:51.860 No, they're not.

01:04:53.740 It's about oppression.

01:04:55.880 So here's a book on liberty, and it's a book that is specifically aimed towards our tribe.

01:05:04.100 And so the book works and the book works in its design.

01:05:08.380 However, if you want to read, if you want any liberals to read that, it can't be designed to look like that because they see the American flag.

01:05:22.200 They see Americanism and they assume Americanism is oppression and the flag and Americanism to them screams fascistic.

01:05:34.360 It screams that this is this is something that is a populist nationalist kind of movement.

01:05:43.700 And we have to find a way to communicate, not the way not in the in the in the instance here of Mark Levin, because what Mark Levin is doing is he's targeting another group.

01:05:55.980 But when we want to target the left, we have to understand their sensibilities and we have to understand what they believe.

01:06:06.920 You're never going to change their minds on much of this.

01:06:11.140 You're never going to be able to move them unless we speak their language. 0.57

01:06:18.420 They don't understand liberty except through the lens of the end of oppression.

01:06:27.920 And oppression is caused by the white male American. 0.73

01:06:34.160 So now, how do we make the case for the Constitution and liberty as we know it?

01:06:42.160 When it was written by white male Americans who were also slave owners.

01:06:52.080 They've set this up and built this perfectly.

01:06:55.800 And I'm writing a book that may come out maybe in the fall, probably next year.

01:07:02.120 And it is about an event that happened in 1959 that nobody knows about and is as important as the progressive movement.

01:07:11.300 And it's something that nobody's ever discussed.

01:07:15.340 We found this and we're like, wait a minute, what?

01:07:18.060 This can't be true.

01:07:20.560 And it's brought us to this point.

01:07:23.020 And it is the the literal documented design.

01:07:29.160 To destroy white male Americanism.

01:07:34.180 And if they can just make those three things the oppressor, they win with half the country.

01:07:43.900 So how do we get into that head that has been that has had such a great foundation laid against us?

01:07:53.680 How do we use their own language?

01:07:56.180 How do we piggyback on their own language to get in to be able to make a point that perhaps perhaps that is not the full story?

01:08:10.520 Perhaps there is oppression in some cases and real freedom and the setting of people free in other cases.

01:08:20.060 Any ideas?

01:08:24.760 Any thoughts?

01:08:26.680 Is this did I just did I make any sense at all?

01:08:29.800 Yeah, no, I mean, I think your point.

01:08:31.620 I mean, you and you've made this point about your own books many times, I think, with going back to the old school real America days where they put a flag behind you.

01:08:41.680 If you remember, your book has a farm, a farm and a barn behind you.

01:08:45.300 Right.

01:08:45.820 And they push really hard to get the flag on the barn.

01:08:48.660 Right.

01:08:48.960 And the barn and the barn.

01:08:50.520 The barn.

01:08:50.880 Right.

01:08:51.140 They were like, it's got to have a farm with corn and a barn and a flag on it.

01:08:58.300 And you at the time were in the wonderful farmland of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, which really, I think, you know, so much grain is produced there.

01:09:08.140 But I mean, it's it's a true.

01:09:09.980 I think, you know, it's a matter of who you're trying to you're trying to appeal to the you know.

01:09:15.300 A lot of this you're talking about is from Jonathan Haidt's book.

01:09:19.040 And and it it talks about this very specifically in that you hit a point of your intuition hits first.

01:09:26.160 So people react to an intuition before they even bother with the reasoning behind it.

01:09:30.800 Yeah.

01:09:30.920 They see the book.

01:09:32.220 They see Mark Levin.

01:09:34.300 They see the flag and they see Americanism and they will not pick up the book.

01:09:40.400 Right.

01:09:40.640 A liberal will not pick this book up.

01:09:42.560 It's your intuition hits first and you say, no, I don't want to read that book.

01:09:46.620 And then even if there's your brain goes to work to justify that decision, that initial decision.

01:09:51.500 So like it's that.

01:09:53.580 And this is how I think this is not just the left.

01:09:55.820 This is the right as well.

01:09:56.960 Yeah, it's it's all of us.

01:09:58.020 It's all of us.

01:09:58.940 It's and it comes to the point of, you know, your brain essentially works as a your own press secretary to justify your initial decision.

01:10:06.740 Your brain works as the Sean Spicer or the Jay Carney to justify whatever decision you made initially.

01:10:13.080 And so if your initial decision was, I don't like that book because I don't like Mark Levin.

01:10:16.560 I don't like Glenn Beck, the American flag.

01:10:18.520 Oh, they're trying to jam patriotism down my mouth.

01:10:20.900 It doesn't matter how good the arguments are inside.

01:10:23.300 You're probably never going to come along unless you're really trying to consider and be, you know, really being nuanced and careful.

01:10:30.340 If you are if you are a freak of human nature, I mean, you really we're talking about three percent of the population will go against their gut and the justification.

01:10:42.460 It's it's almost impossible to do to the point of even even the people who study this as academics.

01:10:48.560 Yes.

01:10:49.100 Show no better record than the average person and being able to accomplish it.

01:10:52.640 We're we are you know, I've really been studying as much as I can human behavior and and behavioral science because that's what got us here.

01:11:07.420 Gang, what got us here was behavioral science and we have to use behavioral science back and nobody on the right even knows it.

01:11:17.380 Uh, and, uh, I mean, it's it's what we have to do if we're going to come back together.

01:11:27.900 If you want to have a civil war, we can have a civil war. 0.94

01:11:30.760 Um, I don't want to be involved in it.

01:11:32.740 I don't want to pitch for it.

01:11:33.940 I don't want to I don't want to have anything to do with it because civil war is usually a lot of people dead and it's rare that they work out well.

01:11:43.060 Um, revolutions never work out well.

01:11:46.060 Ours was the only one they just don't work out well.

01:11:50.320 Uh, the best thing we can do is find a way to come together and it would be interesting to see, um, Mark Levin's book repackaged and rewritten by him using behavioral, uh, um, uh, behavioral, um, uh, what do you call it?

01:12:09.620 Studies to be able to reposition it and change its language to see if you could make the case for the constitution and the declaration of independence.

01:12:22.380 They just don't see them anymore.

01:12:25.020 It's like speaking a foreign language to them.

01:12:28.120 We have to break that code.

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01:15:25.560 Hello, America.

01:15:28.760 Yesterday, we had such a fascinating interview with Brad Thor.

01:15:33.480 Usually, you know, usually people, when they have a chance to be on a national radio program, they just take it lightly.

01:15:41.980 But Brad was here.

01:15:43.520 He was here early.

01:15:44.580 He was here often.

01:15:45.620 He was ready to go.

01:15:47.320 And I appreciate that.

01:15:49.320 And I felt a little guilty because I read half of his book and then lost it.

01:15:57.680 So I wasn't able to finish the entire book.

01:16:00.360 But, you know, that wasn't just a, you know, you know, you know, a turnabout is fair play between friends.

01:16:09.060 No, no, I wanted to have him back on a second time to talk about his new book, which is absolutely fantastic.

01:16:18.060 Brad Thor has 11.5 million books in print.

01:16:23.220 He is now known as America's favorite author.

01:16:28.700 He is a very good friend.

01:16:31.920 And his latest book is called Use of Force.

01:16:35.780 And I believe the ending could suck.

01:16:39.460 But the half that I read is tremendous.

01:16:42.260 And I believe it is his best book yet, Use of Force, Good Friend, Never Controversial.

01:16:49.440 Brad Thor begins right now.

01:16:51.740 I will make a stand.

01:16:54.440 I will raise my voice.

01:16:56.700 I will hold your hand.

01:16:59.100 Because we are one.

01:17:00.940 I will beat my drum.

01:17:03.180 I have made my choice.

01:17:05.440 We will overcome.

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01:17:13.420 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:17:19.460 Welcome to the program, Mr. Brad Thor.

01:17:24.880 Hello, Glenn.

01:17:26.860 How are you?

01:17:27.760 How are you, my friend?

01:17:28.980 Good.

01:17:29.520 How are you?

01:17:30.900 I am.

01:17:31.620 I am.

01:17:32.160 I am excellent.

01:17:33.120 And thank you for your praise of this book.

01:17:34.740 You know, the entire time I was writing it with my Navy SEAL protagonist who's working for the CIA,

01:17:39.500 I just said, you know what?

01:17:40.620 What might Pat do in this situation?

01:17:43.040 You know, or Stu or Jeffy, you know, drop in a dangerous foreign country. 1.00

01:17:48.040 What might they do?

01:17:49.140 And they were really my North Star, my Lode Star, if you will.

01:17:53.380 It was to point you.

01:17:54.860 It's understandable.

01:17:55.760 I know.

01:17:55.940 Because I read the book.

01:17:56.960 It was to point you in the direction of don't go there, right?

01:18:03.060 Right.

01:18:03.460 It was kind of the George Costanza thriller this year.

01:18:07.660 Or just go the opposite direction.

01:18:09.640 Right, right.

01:18:10.320 Okay.

01:18:11.400 Brad, I want to talk to you about a lot of things.

01:18:14.780 How much time do we have?

01:18:15.760 Do we have quite a bit of time?

01:18:17.740 Or are you just...

01:18:18.760 Time as you need.

01:18:19.520 No.

01:18:19.800 No, I'm fine.

01:18:20.600 Let's go.

01:18:21.300 I didn't know because we had such a good conversation yesterday.

01:18:27.000 And it happens to people...

01:18:28.780 I almost couldn't speak.

01:18:29.340 I know.

01:18:29.860 It happens to people all the time where, you know, they're on Jimmy Kimmel or something,

01:18:33.900 and Jimmy will just stall and stall and stall, and then the guest walks out halfway through

01:18:38.340 and is like, oh, sorry, I forgot.

01:18:40.820 You know.

01:18:42.740 Matt Damon.

01:18:43.940 Sorry.

01:18:44.480 Thanks for coming on, Matt.

01:18:45.820 That's all the time we have today.

01:18:48.060 Okay.

01:18:48.560 So, Brad, reading the book...

01:18:50.500 What did you say?

01:18:51.860 No, that's what Jimmy says to Matt when he cheats him out of time.

01:18:54.780 He's like, but we'll have you back.

01:18:56.340 Yeah.

01:18:56.560 Yeah, we'll have you back.

01:18:58.820 Brad, in reading the book, there's a couple of things that I'd like to talk about and not

01:19:04.720 really give away the plot of the book because everybody has to discover it themselves.

01:19:07.620 But you are talking at the beginning about the way these, I guess what you call it, refugee

01:19:18.820 ships are being packaged over in the Middle East.

01:19:22.860 who's packaging them and how they're doing it, and it is obscene.

01:19:29.300 I have, I mean, I've, I've, I have not yet, and you would think with liberals, you would

01:19:34.980 see these kinds of reports.

01:19:36.800 I have, I have not seen reporting like this at all.

01:19:42.300 Is that really the way it happens?

01:19:44.340 It is, and I have to tell you, there is a lovely, lovely reporter at the Daily Beast.

01:19:52.560 I give her a big shout out, two big shout outs, actually, in the acknowledgement to this

01:19:56.720 book.

01:19:57.100 That is the Rome Bureau Chief for the Daily Beast.

01:20:00.000 And I reached out to her, befriended her in social media, and she was incredibly helpful

01:20:04.080 because I was reading her articles about the refugees, the connection with the mafia

01:20:08.740 and ISIS, and you're the one that coined the term faction, Glenn, and what I do is faction,

01:20:14.520 where you don't know where the facts end and the fiction begins.

01:20:17.540 But the refugee crisis and how ISIS is using it and how the mafia is even involved and how

01:20:22.680 they're smuggling weapons into Europe for terrorist attacks is amazing.

01:20:27.080 But this person, Barbie at the Daily Beast in Rome, couldn't have been nicer.

01:20:31.720 She really was terrific.

01:20:32.920 And she has to be brave, really brave.

01:20:36.720 Oh, yeah.

01:20:37.300 Explain a little, without giving any of this away, because it's so great the way you lay

01:20:42.240 it out, but explain what's happening with the refugees.

01:20:47.060 So, Ian, in my thriller, the way it kicks off is, in real life, we discovered a laptop

01:20:52.660 in a terrorist safe house.

01:20:55.180 And when they opened it up, it looked like it had just come from Best Buy, never been used.

01:20:58.640 But when they drilled down, they found, in real life, all of these chilling plots, things

01:21:03.220 they had planned for Dallas and New York and Rome and Paris and London, and the CIA never

01:21:08.420 caught the guy.

01:21:09.420 And so I had been reading Barbie stuff on the Daily Beast about the refugee crisis.

01:21:14.480 I'm concerned ISIS has threatened to sneak people into Europe, terrorists in via the refugee 1.00

01:21:20.180 crisis on these boats.

01:21:22.120 And I started reading about it and looking, and these smugglers are bad.

01:21:26.440 I mean, they are putting people, I mean, people are suffocating in the holds of these

01:21:31.680 fishing boats that are not even seaworthy.

01:21:34.500 It's bad.

01:21:35.220 No fuel to get all the way.

01:21:37.440 It is worse than the slave trade ever was.

01:21:41.600 Yes.

01:21:42.260 They are torturing and raping people.

01:21:44.940 They are splitting families up and deciding, you get to go to Europe, but we're going to

01:21:48.600 keep your daughter and your wife here. 0.98

01:21:51.100 There are people that have never captained a boat before, and they're putting a Kalashnikov, 0.91

01:21:55.440 the guy's head, saying, OK, you, who paid us your life savings to go to Europe, you're

01:22:00.540 going to pilot this boat.

01:22:01.840 And they give them enough fuel to just get outside the territorial waters of Libya, and

01:22:06.200 then they hand them a, they've given them a satellite phone with one phone number pre-programmed

01:22:10.500 into it, and that is the Italian Coast Guard.

01:22:12.900 And these boats are sinking, and thousands of people are dying.

01:22:15.680 I mean, it's a, it is a humanitarian, I mean, it is, it is beyond barbaric, beyond horrific

01:22:22.800 what is going on.

01:22:24.200 And I just thought, you know, this to me is fascinating, and if I can, through my thriller,

01:22:28.540 bring a little light to this and how evil these smugglers are and how well connected

01:22:32.640 they are with ISIS and the mafia, I might be doing some good with it. 0.99

01:22:36.160 So why are they putting these boats out that are just not seaworthy, not giving them enough

01:22:42.400 fuel?

01:22:43.120 Is it just to cause massive chaos on the seas so the boats and the refugees that are working 1.00

01:22:50.480 with them get in?

01:22:53.020 Well, that is a big, that is a big part of it.

01:22:56.120 So they only, it's Libya, right?

01:22:58.420 So they don't have like a great shipbuilding infrastructure there, and they're taking boats

01:23:02.860 that even these poor fishermen won't use to go out and fish on anymore, and they're filling

01:23:07.120 them full of as many people as they can, and they're just shoving them out.

01:23:09.580 It is a money-making operation.

01:23:11.320 I mean, these, you know, these, these guys are the scum of the earth.

01:23:14.160 They are trading in human misery, the things that these people go through, and these refugees 1.00

01:23:19.900 are trying to escape their countries to get a better life.

01:23:22.680 We can argue about what the best way is to do it, but, you know, you've got these people

01:23:27.460 and the women, if a whoop, God forbid, a woman is pregnant or menstruating with some of

01:23:32.660 these Muslim men, I mean, they have thrown women overboard. 1.00

01:23:35.960 I mean, bad stuff.

01:23:37.540 Very, very bad.

01:23:39.120 So you go in, and I don't want to give the story away, but I want to take you to one place

01:23:48.300 that I just thought was riveting, is when Scott comes in, the main character, what is this,

01:23:57.380 the 17th book with him?

01:23:59.520 My 17th thriller, yeah, yeah.

01:24:01.240 And you can read them in any order.

01:24:02.860 If you haven't read a Brad Thor book, you can start with Use of Force.

01:24:05.800 You don't need to have read anything of mine before.

01:24:08.960 So Scott is the main character, and he's going in to get a really bad guy, and he goes into

01:24:20.700 a store.

01:24:21.300 I don't even remember where it was.

01:24:22.580 Is it Libya?

01:24:23.480 Where was it?

01:24:24.300 Where you went?

01:24:24.620 With the satellite phones.

01:24:26.060 Yeah, that'd be the way you would track a smuggler down, is if you found a satellite phone,

01:24:29.920 you'd want to know who sold it to whom, and you'd pick up the trail there.

01:24:33.760 Now, just explain the store scene.

01:24:37.280 Is that from real life?

01:24:38.840 There's a lot of this that's real.

01:24:42.540 So these smugglers all buy their satellite phones from the same company in the Emirates

01:24:48.600 because they have the best coverage over the Mediterranean.

01:24:50.960 So give them that piece of humanity that they actually want the satellite phone to work when

01:24:55.220 the boat is sinking and these people are being fed upon by sharks.

01:24:58.120 You know, you hope that the Italian Coast Guard, which is hours away, can find a way to rescue

01:25:02.840 them.

01:25:03.260 But so the scene with my guy, so a terrorist mastermind's body washes ashore in Italy.

01:25:09.320 The CIA panics, and they send Scott Harvath, my protagonist, out to retrace this guy's steps

01:25:15.240 to say, what was he up to?

01:25:16.820 And are we going to see some mega attacks in the U.S. this summer?

01:25:20.280 Go retrace his footsteps.

01:25:21.640 And Harvath, knowing that these guys use the same satellite phone company, figures out

01:25:26.400 who bought this satellite phone and it tracks to a small electronic shop in Libya, which

01:25:32.320 is based on a real little shop that was trafficking in these phones.

01:25:35.800 And Harvath goes in to try to bribe this guy, give him cash first, and the guy won't take

01:25:42.140 it.

01:25:42.340 And in the middle of trying to convince this guy to give up the smuggler, Libya is overrun

01:25:46.580 with different militia groups.

01:25:47.880 I mean, they are a failed state.

01:25:49.520 It is bad in Libya. 0.86

01:25:50.700 Three militia members pull up outside to actually do a transaction with this guy.

01:25:56.180 Now Harvath's stuck.

01:25:57.500 He's got three militia guys coming in, and what's he going to do?

01:26:00.840 And it devolves very quickly, as these scenes do, and that scene was actually based on something

01:26:06.140 one of my former special operations guys told me about.

01:26:10.280 It's a pretty terrifying scene, the way the Americans take charge. 1.00

01:26:16.020 And then they take him out to get some information.

01:26:22.400 And the technology that you describe is in some ways comforting, in other ways, absolutely

01:26:33.120 horrifying.

01:26:34.660 And I want to get to that here in just a second with Brad Thor.

01:26:38.040 The book is Use of Force.

01:26:41.200 I want to talk to him about this.

01:26:42.620 I want to talk to him about the assassination attempt in the ballpark a couple of weeks ago,

01:26:48.280 perhaps some of the cloak and dagger stuff that is happening now in Washington, D.C.

01:26:53.300 We'll get to that in just a second.

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01:28:50.740 Welcome back with Brad Thorpe.

01:29:07.580 Brad, explain the technology that you show in use of force.

01:29:13.300 And I don't think this is going to surprise anyone, but it is the way your character uses it.

01:29:19.300 Has it been used this way?

01:29:22.220 What else is it used for?

01:29:24.060 And explain it.

01:29:24.960 Start there first.

01:29:26.520 Okay.

01:29:27.060 Are you referring to the way that Harvath breaks the satellite phone salesman?

01:29:32.260 All right.

01:29:32.420 So this is real, and this has been used by somebody that I know.

01:29:37.060 And essentially what he did was open up a laptop in front of the suspect.

01:29:43.460 He wasn't going to drill him through the kneecaps or anything,

01:29:45.460 but positioned a drone over this guy's house and did a split screen that showed the guy's wife and kids basically in the backyard

01:29:53.660 and then showed a screen that's got the underbelly of the drone with the weapons package

01:29:59.520 so that he could say, all right, activate this Hellfire missile, if you will.

01:30:03.680 And basically terrified this guy into, if you don't give up the really bad dude you're working with,

01:30:09.760 then we're going to kill your family. 0.97

01:30:13.600 That was the threat, that we know where you live, we've got your wife and children in the crosshairs,

01:30:18.380 and you better give us this bad guy that we want or there's going to be trouble.

01:30:21.820 So, I mean, the way you wrote it, I mean, that just doesn't sound, you know, that sounds amazing.

01:30:28.580 But when you read it and the way he didn't believe it at first and then he went over,

01:30:35.180 the drone flew over his store and he saw that it had been burned to the ground and he saw in real time

01:30:43.580 and then the drone starts to fly to the house and he starts to sweat and he then sees his wife

01:30:51.980 and his child step out on the back patio, it is, it's quite terrifying.

01:31:00.280 How do you feel about that ethically?

01:31:03.700 Well, I'll tell you, the guy in question, and readers will get this,

01:31:08.860 the guy in question is a really, really bad guy, and the main character that's doing this to him

01:31:14.540 has no intention to harm his wife or children.

01:31:17.520 It's a psychological ploy here.

01:31:20.300 And that's what we, our men and women away doing some of the country's most dangerous business

01:31:25.200 have to make calls and have to decide how to do things.

01:31:27.600 So hang on just a second, I don't have a problem if we are using that and we don't kill his family,

01:31:34.720 but then how do you have any credibility?

01:31:37.520 I mean, he has to die at that point.

01:31:41.380 If he says no, he has to die because he'll go back and say,

01:31:47.160 hey, they use this ploy, I mean, they'll never use it.

01:31:50.200 Right, it doesn't work.

01:31:51.360 They don't follow through on it.

01:31:52.560 They draw a line in the sand and I jumped right over it and there were no consequences.

01:31:56.500 Right.

01:31:56.840 Yeah, I mean, you would have to, and that's the benefit I get as a fiction author,

01:32:00.580 is that I get to ultimately choose how the guy's going to react to this.

01:32:04.440 But again, it was from talking with someone who had done something similar and was able

01:32:10.100 to assess what, I mean, that's what they do.

01:32:12.420 They look at these people that they have to interrogate and decide what's going to work

01:32:16.420 with them.

01:32:16.900 That, the more information you can have about a subject before you even sit down to talk

01:32:21.160 to them, the better off you're going to be.

01:32:22.860 And sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures.

01:32:26.300 That's a big thing I talk about in the book.

01:32:27.740 It's like, okay, we're a nation of laws, not a nation of men, and we put rules on our

01:32:31.820 intelligence services and in our special operations community.

01:32:35.460 And should they be allowed to cut corners?

01:32:37.360 And, you know, how desperate do things have to be?

01:32:40.700 Is it worth it for one American life?

01:32:42.200 You and I talked about Benghazi.

01:32:43.680 I don't care that they couldn't refuel jets.

01:32:45.620 They should have been going supersonic with American jets from Italy over Benghazi, breaking

01:32:49.860 every piece of glass in that town, and then run them until they run out of fuel and dump

01:32:54.280 them in the med, and we'll pick up the pilots. 0.70

01:32:55.960 We can build more planes.

01:32:58.260 So I'm a big believer, and I think that's the fun part of my books, is you read these

01:33:01.860 and you're like, okay, not only does that make sense, but I really hope that's what we're

01:33:04.580 doing out there with the bad guys.

01:33:06.440 So, Brad, we are looking at a much more dangerous world than we were when we first started talking.

01:33:13.780 You and I were much more hypothetical, really, you know, when we started talking 10 years

01:33:21.380 ago on what this world could be like.

01:33:25.380 Your book is now absolutely these things are going on, and we are facing these kinds of

01:33:33.220 threats.

01:33:33.860 No doubt in my mind that what you talk about with the refugees, what you show happening

01:33:40.040 in Paris in your book is absolutely happening right now.

01:33:43.780 Are you more optimistic or less optimistic than you were five or 10 years ago on the

01:33:52.180 state of the Western world?

01:33:55.780 I'm actually more optimistic on how we're going to combat it, okay?

01:34:00.920 I actually think, and you know, I was not a Trump supporter.

01:34:05.060 I worked on Rick Perry's campaign.

01:34:06.960 My family and I pray for Donald Trump and the people around him on a daily basis that

01:34:11.280 they are going to be successful because we'll all be successful.

01:34:14.340 I actually think that that administration can take the big leaps and do the hard work that

01:34:19.220 needs to be done.

01:34:19.960 I, number one, think, you know, we hear like after the Orlando massacre that this guy was

01:34:24.600 on the FBI's radar.

01:34:25.920 There wasn't enough to get him, so they had to let him go.

01:34:29.340 Our intelligence services in the Western world are drowning.

01:34:32.640 We've got open ISIS cases in all 50 states in the U.S.

01:34:36.320 It's happening in Brussels and in Great Britain.

01:34:39.760 There's just not enough intelligence officers and police officers to follow these guys.

01:34:43.580 And I think we need to lower the prosecutorial bar.

01:34:47.000 We have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to child porn.

01:34:49.660 If you're surfing that stuff on the internet, you're going to jail.

01:34:52.600 And I think we ought to identify the gateway drugs, the on-ramps for jihadism.

01:34:57.240 I think we ought to make it a lot easier to prosecute these guys.

01:35:00.260 And if somebody even sleeps on your couch and you know that they were planning an attack,

01:35:04.520 you ought to go away not for years, but for decades.

01:35:06.720 And if people die in that attack, you ought to go away for your entire life.

01:35:09.360 Let's raise the price.

01:35:11.680 I want to continue our conversation with Brad Thor.

01:35:14.020 His new book is Use of Force.

01:35:15.520 We're going to talk about what the Supreme Court did yesterday about bringing in refugees

01:35:20.780 from other countries.

01:35:22.200 We talk about that and so much more when we come back with Brad Thor.

01:35:32.360 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

01:35:37.420 Mercury.

01:35:41.040 The Glenn Beck Program.

01:35:43.880 I honestly think that the best thinkers on the planet

01:35:51.640 for geopolitical consequences and moves and countermoves

01:35:59.520 are the guys who write what I call faction,

01:36:02.700 fiction that is driven by the facts of today.

01:36:06.980 The people like Tom Clancy was when I was growing up.

01:36:10.580 That's Brad Thor today.

01:36:12.000 You know, the people, the Russians actually thought he was a CIA plant.

01:36:18.440 That they were, that the CIA was trying to get Russia to think that that's how the Americans

01:36:24.860 will move because he was so accurate and spot on.

01:36:28.780 Brad has been a good friend and advisor of mine for a while because the fiction writers,

01:36:36.060 this is what they have to do and they have to make sense.

01:36:39.420 Because real life doesn't have to make sense.

01:36:42.420 Fiction has to make sense.

01:36:44.780 So, Brad, with that, let's war game a couple of things because I can't find a way out that

01:36:51.820 I'm comfortable on a lot of these things.

01:36:54.060 Let's start with North Korea.

01:36:55.940 We have three carrier battle groups out now.

01:36:59.160 The only time in history that that has ever happened where we've had three,

01:37:02.700 we've always gone to war, we have Otto Warmbier being drugged and beaten now,

01:37:12.000 according to one general that they use sodium pentothal on him so much, it addled his brain.

01:37:18.000 They were beating him.

01:37:19.580 They dumped him on our doorstep like a mob hit.

01:37:23.620 And they're also putting into production long-range missiles.

01:37:30.580 And we don't really seem to have a line because crossing that line for us is all bad stuff.

01:37:41.500 What do we do?

01:37:42.120 Well, I'll take it up another notch for you to add to your anxiety over North Korea.

01:37:47.900 You know, a lot of people scoffed and laughed when they did their nuke tests,

01:37:52.220 when they detonated underground and said, wow, these are relatively small, low-yield things.

01:37:57.000 Ha, ha, ha.

01:37:57.720 They can't really build a serious big bomb.

01:38:00.060 Well, if you think they're going to put them on top of a missile,

01:38:03.380 you may not be worried about, you know, this thing being equivalent to what the Russians have.

01:38:07.680 But, you know, the North Koreans have put a couple satellites into outer space. 0.95

01:38:11.700 And if they put one of these low-yield bombs into a satellite and detonated it over the United States,

01:38:17.240 the electromagnetic pulse is going to wipe us out.

01:38:20.400 It's going to – we're going to be – we're going to go back to the 1800s in the blink of an eye.

01:38:24.680 Jeez, I haven't even thought of a satellite.

01:38:27.620 Thank you, Brent.

01:38:28.460 Yeah.

01:38:28.760 Thank you for that.

01:38:29.380 Yeah, you're welcome.

01:38:30.060 Sleep well tonight, Glenn.

01:38:31.300 You know, Tanya, I'm sorry.

01:38:33.060 I know.

01:38:33.600 I don't sleep as it is now.

01:38:35.200 As it is, I know.

01:38:36.220 Okay, so what do we do?

01:38:40.000 What should we do?

01:38:41.900 So, Kim Jong-un isn't the problem.

01:38:44.600 It's the military and political structure that holds him up as a figurehead.

01:38:48.720 The reason he's got that stupid haircut is it's supposed to harken back to the days of his grandfather.

01:38:53.460 Correct.

01:38:53.620 What's interesting for me is that they decided to assassinate his older half-brother in an airport where they put up those two dupes, those massage masseuses or whatever it was, and they killed the older half-brother, which is a really interesting move.

01:39:08.280 I don't know why they did that, what they were worried about, what kind of chess pieces are being moved.

01:39:12.360 Weren't they sending a message to the West, first sending a message to their own people, look at what the West has done, but also maybe sending a message to the people he's afraid of that I'll get you wherever you are, and also a message to the West.

01:39:32.940 I don't care if you have it on tape.

01:39:34.860 I'm not afraid.

01:39:36.720 Possibility?

01:39:37.460 That's possible.

01:39:38.300 No, it's totally possible, and it's possible that they were worried there was some plot afoot to overthrow things and to use the older half-brother as somebody to install a new, more democratic regime there.

01:39:48.940 I mean, it's hard to understand.

01:39:50.600 They're nuts.

01:39:51.720 They're absolutely nuts, and there isn't a good way out of this, particularly because you've got Seoul sitting on the other side of the DMZ, and Seoul, when you think about it, with 11 million people there, they are the Israel of that area. 0.81

01:40:02.080 There's bunkers underneath everything because they're worried about incoming from the North Koreans. 0.95

01:40:07.460 There is not a good way out of this, and it's another place.

01:40:12.320 You would have thought that we had Saddam Hussein's inner circle very well penetrated before we went into the Gulf War scenario, and we didn't, and we're even more blind when it comes to North Korea.

01:40:21.680 We need to get inside.

01:40:23.220 These guys all have skeletons in their closet, the generals and the politicos behind them.

01:40:27.340 We need to work it from the inside out.

01:40:29.200 Okay, so you are a—I've got a gun to your head.

01:40:33.660 I'm forcing you to put your house down on the betting table. 0.92

01:40:38.960 Do you bet this ends in our favor, or it ends with war? 0.59

01:40:47.700 I think China goes in and does something.

01:40:49.920 I think the Chinese are better equipped to overthrow that government, and they don't—but the problem for China is they don't want the mass of humanity running in. 0.99

01:40:57.280 That's the big thing.

01:40:58.140 South Korea and the Chinese want to contain it, but my money would be on actually some sort of a coup in China being the brains behind it. 0.84

01:41:05.520 That would be what I hope.

01:41:07.060 All right, next scenario.

01:41:08.800 I've got two scenarios left here.

01:41:10.160 Next one, Russia. 0.88

01:41:11.500 The election.

01:41:12.580 We know we've known forever that they were going to try to influence our election.

01:41:17.080 They are looking for chaos.

01:41:18.100 They weren't trying to get Trump in, although they didn't like Hillary Clinton.

01:41:22.340 That was an extra bonus.

01:41:23.840 What they're trying to do is cause chaos and have us lose faith in our own system and be able to manipulate.

01:41:34.040 We are arguing about politics.

01:41:36.740 We're not really facing the problem, and that is that Russia—Romney was right. 1.00

01:41:41.680 Russia is our biggest geopolitical foe right now and is a direct threat to the United States.

01:41:50.520 How does this one end?

01:41:53.460 Well, I'll tell you.

01:41:54.740 I know what we should do, and it was Bill O'Reilly's idea.

01:41:57.540 I don't think we should be—I don't think American credit card companies should be honoring any transactions inside Russia.

01:42:02.600 That would be devastating for them, absolutely devastating.

01:42:05.320 And if we can help drive down oil prices by flooding the market, that'll also hurt Putin.

01:42:10.720 He's only got energy, but we—

01:42:12.240 We really are.

01:42:13.560 I mean, you know, our fracking—it was too late to stop.

01:42:16.060 The Saudis tried to stop us from fracking.

01:42:17.740 It's already too late for that.

01:42:19.600 And we are a big reason why the oil prices are as low.

01:42:24.020 They are in deep trouble economically.

01:42:26.720 Does that not make them more desperate?

01:42:28.700 It's going to make them more desperate, but I think that with the Internet and the ability of good Russian people to see stories about liberty and freedom from around the world, I think we should be—I think we should be fomenting unrest in Russia. 0.97

01:42:40.940 We should be doing everything we can.

01:42:42.280 You know what?

01:42:42.620 You're going to do it to us?

01:42:43.740 It's like the whole Untouchables thing.

01:42:45.600 They send one of yours to the hospital.

01:42:47.020 You send two of theirs to the morgue.

01:42:48.240 I think we ought to out-manipulate them, but do it with the truth.

01:42:51.660 I think we should ignite the lamp of liberty in the hearts of the Russian people, because once those lamps are lit, there is no extinguishing it.

01:42:59.820 And let's beat them with the truth, because there's a lot of bad things in Russia, and the more we can do to help expose it and get those people to rise up, the better it'll be for the rest of the world.

01:43:08.100 Putin needs to go and all of those sleazy, corrupt people around him.

01:43:11.760 Do we actually come to our senses as Republicans and Democrats and actually deal with the fact that they're already here and infiltrating and working on 2018 and 2020?

01:43:26.920 Do you see us actually getting there, or just using all of these investigations to hurt one side or the other?

01:43:32.840 Listen, I know that there are good people on both sides of the aisle that are concerned about this, because the shoe can be on the other foot tomorrow.

01:43:42.480 It can be a Republican today, a Democrat tomorrow that's being either helped or hurt by these efforts.

01:43:47.480 This is an American issue, and that's the way we need to focus on it.

01:43:50.480 And, you know, Trump is—it's the one issue he won't touch.

01:43:53.700 He will not condemn the Russians to come right out and say, if this happens again, you know, this is going to be the consequence.

01:44:00.120 I don't know why he won't.

01:44:01.260 I don't know.

01:44:02.480 No, I think he—I think—listen, I think he felt a lot more comfortable in Saudi Arabia than he did at the NATO summit.

01:44:08.660 I think he admires what he thinks are strong leaders, and dictators are not leaders.

01:44:14.380 They're despots.

01:44:15.480 They're tyrants.

01:44:16.700 And for some reason, he feels an affinity with them.

01:44:18.940 He likes tough guys.

01:44:20.000 I think that's a mistake.

01:44:20.780 I think real American leadership would be saying, you know what, you dealt—you did some pretty bad stuff, and, you know, we're not going to ease sanctions on you.

01:44:28.060 I mean, it's insane that Congress has got to do what's best for the country by blocking the loosening of sanctions, and the president's lobbying for that.

01:44:35.240 It's—that's insane.

01:44:36.700 If I had written this in a book, I would have been tossed out of my editor's office.

01:44:39.540 Brad Thor is the author of a new book, Use of Force.

01:44:43.320 If you've never read a Brad Thor book, start with this one, Use of Force.

01:44:46.400 It's really, really good.

01:44:47.540 11.3 million copies of his books in print today, which is a staggering number.

01:44:57.060 Brad, last scenario.

01:44:58.620 The Middle East.

01:44:59.500 We are now siding with the Syrian Kurds, who are Marxist revolutionaries and terrorists. 0.99

01:45:05.880 We are using them as proxies to fight the Russians and the Iranians and the Syrians. 1.00

01:45:17.080 It's going to come and bite us in the ass.

01:45:20.160 Iran is now trying to sweep into a crescent to start their own caliphate. 0.97

01:45:27.420 Turkey wants theirs. 0.99

01:45:29.840 ISIS is kind of on the run, but they're more of a global operation now.

01:45:34.580 And we seem to have our head in the sand still, although we are getting better.

01:45:41.200 How does this one end?

01:45:43.600 Well, I think that the current administration has opened up good channels of communication

01:45:48.620 with the Saudis.

01:45:49.460 The Saudis hate the Iranians.

01:45:51.340 And I think we need to continue to—listen, this doesn't end well.

01:45:54.420 I mean, this is a long, protracted, lukewarm war, if you will, where we're not necessarily

01:46:00.560 firing the shots, but we're actively supporting people that are.

01:46:03.700 So we're going to see a lot more of this proxy stuff.

01:46:05.820 This does not end well.

01:46:06.940 But the one thing, again, that I think the Trump administration can do is every time

01:46:10.980 there's an act of Islamic terrorism somewhere in the West, I think we ought to wring another 1.00

01:46:14.920 concession out of the Muslim world. 0.97

01:46:16.520 So another drop of Western blood is spilled.

01:46:18.620 We are merciless in having Trump hammer them publicly for this backwards ideology and not

01:46:24.700 only to condemn radical Islamism, but to say, OK, by the way, when are you guys going to

01:46:29.060 start letting women vote in Saudi Arabia and just to hammer that, to just bring unrelenting 1.00

01:46:33.320 pressure for reform in the Muslim world?

01:46:35.560 Because until that point, we're going to be playing whack-a-mole with terrorists, and

01:46:39.220 we really need—Judaism's been reformed, Christianity's undergone a reformation, Islam has not, and 0.97

01:46:44.200 it's long past due.

01:46:45.300 So, Brad, the Supreme Court ruled that the president can say, for the safety of Americans,

01:46:52.760 we are not going to take these refugees until we've worked this out. 0.99

01:46:56.360 Is there an honest effort to try to figure out a way to bring people into the country and 0.99

01:47:03.920 have an idea of whether they're good or bad?

01:47:07.360 You know, we've worked it out with Mercury One and the Nazarene Fund, but it would be

01:47:15.580 politically incorrect to do that as a nation.

01:47:19.480 How do you do it?

01:47:20.480 Is there a way to do it?

01:47:22.460 Well, there's a couple of different ways.

01:47:24.020 And one of the things is bad communication on part of the Trump administration.

01:47:29.140 These six countries were identified by the Obama administration because they couldn't

01:47:32.900 even tell you if people getting on planes had parking tickets or overdue library books.

01:47:36.440 And we need to screen—I mean, you get on a plane in London, anywhere else in the world,

01:47:40.540 your name is sent to the United States.

01:47:42.080 They know before that plane takes off who's getting on the plane, and that's important.

01:47:45.400 So that's not an anti-Muslim thing.

01:47:47.960 You need that from any country in the world to know who's getting on these planes.

01:47:51.060 That's number one.

01:47:51.820 Number two, the refugees come through UN intake centers. 0.54

01:47:55.740 They are like bad prison yards, okay?

01:47:59.560 If you ID as a Christian when you check into these places, you're going to get killed. 1.00

01:48:03.860 Bad things are going to happen in these refugee camps, which is why Christians don't self-identify 1.00

01:48:09.280 there.

01:48:10.000 And I want everybody who is a good, honest person, Muslim, Christian, whatever, to have

01:48:15.120 an opportunity to get to the U.S.

01:48:16.720 I want you to be a productive citizen.

01:48:18.820 But we need this idea—again, Bill O'Reilly, another great idea when he talked about setting

01:48:23.100 up safe zones within Syria, within the Muslim world, so that we don't have to take people 1.00

01:48:27.280 here, so that they can remain culturally where they are most comfortable, because they're

01:48:31.980 running away from something, they're not running to the United States.

01:48:34.540 They're running away from their own problems, and I think we need to keep them in that region 1.00

01:48:37.660 where they're culturally adept.

01:48:39.860 They understand the culture.

01:48:41.020 If you want to come to America, that's a separate story.

01:48:42.960 But if you're coming to America just because we've thrown open the doors and you're getting 1.00

01:48:45.400 away from something, that's not exactly a tier one refugee that we want, if that makes

01:48:51.440 sense.

01:48:51.660 I'm not saying we shouldn't take people in times of war and in strife and things like that,

01:48:55.880 but I want to make sure that we're making plenty of room for people who are standing

01:48:59.560 in line and have devoted themselves fully to being here.

01:49:02.480 But I look at the faces of those children, and you want to help those people as much

01:49:05.960 as you can.

01:49:06.420 I want—anybody who wants to be a good American, I want them here, and I want to help them,

01:49:09.760 but we need to vet people.

01:49:11.400 We need to vet them.

01:49:12.480 So I actually think Stu, Pat, Jeffy, I think all those guys, I think we ought to put them

01:49:18.140 on the front lines and just, you know, sit down, have a Coke with these guys.

01:49:21.800 It's kind of like five bullet points.

01:49:23.880 And bring your vest.

01:49:25.080 And bring your vest.

01:49:26.320 It's a three-piece suit place.

01:49:29.380 You know, Glenn, you've been carrying these guys for years.

01:49:31.760 I think the show'd be fine without them.

01:49:33.720 Let them go do some good for the country.

01:49:35.940 Right.

01:49:36.240 Take Vinnie Penn with you, the guy that claims he got you out of the mullet haircut.

01:49:39.980 You know, I think there's some guys that could do some good work over there.

01:49:43.000 Got me into the mullet haircut.

01:49:43.960 Starting with your show.

01:49:45.880 Brad, thank you so much.

01:49:47.120 God bless you.

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01:51:53.300 And a big show tomorrow, Glenn.

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01:51:58.680 Very out of the norm.

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01:52:02.260 Of course.

01:52:02.960 About this?

01:52:03.600 Yeah.

01:52:03.940 Obviously, yeah.

01:52:04.580 Obviously.

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