The Glenn Beck Program - 6⧸6⧸17 - When our government betrays our protectors (Jay Dobyns Joins The Program)

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00:00:36.560 Hello, my name is Mike Broomhead in for Glenn today.

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00:00:40.080 A lot to talk about, of course, the identity of the London bombers.

00:00:43.200 London attackers has been named.

00:00:45.220 All three of these.

00:00:46.260 One of them born in Pakistan.

00:00:48.100 The other two claim Moroccan descent.

00:00:50.520 Citizens, two of them, citizens of England.

00:00:53.660 27, 30, and 22 years old.

00:00:58.460 And Karam Sajjad Butt is one of their names.

00:01:03.580 Rashid Rudhani and Yousef Zagva.

00:01:07.440 Now, these guys are the attackers in London.

00:01:10.960 We've learned more about them in the last 24 hours.

00:01:13.640 Big questions with the London authorities as to how at least one of these people has slipped through the cracks.

00:01:18.500 So, a lot of this with their identities and what we do know about them and how much we know about them, a big part of the first hour of the show.

00:01:25.000 The identity of the Orlando shooter from yesterday, John Robert Newman, a 45-year-old man, disgruntled former employee, told some employees to leave and gun down five people before turning the gun on himself.

00:01:37.400 So, more about the Orlando shooter, but wondering what, as we'll find out, I'm sure, why he targeted these people, why they were targeted and others were told to leave the building.

00:01:46.880 It's a compelling story.

00:01:48.960 Also, there has been an arrest made.

00:01:51.940 The White House leaker, a private contractor, her name is Reality Winner.

00:01:56.420 Now, Twitter loves this, by the way.

00:01:58.460 Social media loves that her name is Reality Winner.

00:02:01.120 She is a political activist.

00:02:02.740 She is a Bernie Sanders supporter, has been part of the standing up or the resistance against Donald Trump, and has been arrested.

00:02:09.300 Now, obviously, no conviction, but has now been identified as the White House leaker, or at least one of them, giving some of the documents with NSA reports.

00:02:17.980 Anxious to see how quickly the left is going to compare her to Snowden.

00:02:24.860 This was obviously politically motivated.

00:02:26.960 This was a subversive act against an administration.

00:02:30.240 I think that for what she has done, we'll see if she gets convicted of this, but this should be one of the biggest stories of the year, if this were to be confirmed.

00:02:40.840 So, we'll find out how the media handles it, but we'll tell you more about her as well this morning.

00:02:45.760 I've got an interview coming up today.

00:02:48.300 I mentioned yesterday, almost in passing, some of the things we're talking about being hidden in executive orders.

00:02:54.240 And, by the way, President Trump is not going to use an executive privilege to stop James Comey from testifying.

00:03:00.180 And yet, no one seemed to be talking about the fact that with Operation Fast and Furious and the executive order, executive privilege that was invoked by President Obama to hide those documents,

00:03:11.100 Jason Chaffetz is still leading an investigation into Fast and Furious.

00:03:14.500 And tomorrow, he will hold a hearing as to Fast and Furious, who was behind it, and what the problems were.

00:03:21.620 Will there ever be any arrests made?

00:03:23.940 I've mentioned him before, but I have a friend back in Arizona named Jay Dobbins.

00:03:28.460 Jay Dobbins was an ATF agent.

00:03:31.280 This was much before Fast and Furious.

00:03:34.240 And he went into the ATF, went undercover, was the first federal agent to become a full-patch member of the Hell's Angels.

00:03:40.960 And Jay Dobbins has written a book called No Angel about his experience.

00:03:46.620 And then, after this, his new book that's coming out is called Catching Hell.

00:03:50.820 And Jay talks about how the ATF and the federal government railroaded him and train wrecked his career.

00:03:57.080 His house was burned down when he was outed as the infiltrator into the Hell's Angels.

00:04:00.740 There was a half-a-million-dollar bounty on his head.

00:04:02.960 His house was burned to the ground.

00:04:04.380 The federal government accused him of burning his own house down.

00:04:07.480 A federal judge years later, after Fast and Furious, this is the point where Jay is involved with Fast and Furious,

00:04:13.600 after the Fast and Furious investigation broke, people began to realize that Jay may not have just been a disgruntled employee,

00:04:20.480 that he may have had some merit to what he was saying because the leadership of the ATF was so horrible.

00:04:25.740 Well, those leaders from ATF, none of which were ever held accountable for what they did,

00:04:29.460 all of those leaders either had lateral moves or were promoted and sent to other points across the country to work

00:04:37.580 and finish out their careers and save their pensions, which begged the question,

00:04:41.160 why did these people not face any kind of repercussions for what they did?

00:04:45.940 And the answer would be, I wonder how far up the chain of the Justice Department that operation went.

00:04:50.540 Well, Jay is going to be a part of the show later on this morning to talk about Fast and Furious

00:04:55.820 and this investigation by Jason Chaffetz.

00:04:58.260 This should be one of the biggest stories of the last decade.

00:05:01.240 The fact that over 2,000 rifles were sent into Mexico by our government.

00:05:06.120 They knew these guys were doing this.

00:05:08.200 They were told to pull off the surveillance.

00:05:10.300 Over 2,000 rifles trucked into Mexico.

00:05:12.900 And then when they were lost to the Mexican cartels, when the surveillance was lost, so to speak,

00:05:18.660 we never told the Mexican government.

00:05:20.240 We never told our own government.

00:05:21.760 According to Janet Napolitano, who was the head of the Homeland Security at the time,

00:05:25.780 she was never told about this operation, nor was she ever told about the loss of the rifles.

00:05:30.040 And it wasn't discovered until the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.

00:05:34.160 And one of those guns was found there at the scene.

00:05:36.420 And ATF agents on the ground said, I don't care if it ruins my career.

00:05:39.720 I'm talking.

00:05:40.820 So now Jason Chaffetz is doing an investigation into the death of Brian Terry and the role that Fast and Furious may have played in it.

00:05:48.540 So we'll talk to Jay later on in the show, who I think is a compelling guest in his own right.

00:05:53.700 And so we'll hear what he has to say.

00:05:56.860 When we talk about this White House leaker, and I want to go back for a moment, just keep your eye on.

00:06:02.680 And I think one of the points I've made on my show most often in Arizona is I'm going to be a lot more critical of how the media handles things.

00:06:11.260 I want to try to be as fair as I can when the president does something that I think is worthwhile and good.

00:06:17.820 I want to make sure we talk about it.

00:06:19.620 If the president makes a mistake and does something that I think is the wrong thing, I've been critical of him in the past as a candidate and as the president.

00:06:26.240 But I'm an opinion person.

00:06:27.960 There's a difference between myself and a journalist.

00:06:30.640 I am not a journalist.

00:06:32.400 A journalist is supposed to report news, ask difficult questions of everybody.

00:06:37.240 Are they doing that?

00:06:38.440 Does anybody believe that there is not a media bias?

00:06:41.760 We know what they say about Fox News being far right, MSNBC being far left.

00:06:48.160 CNN has just completely jumped the shark with their coverage of President Trump.

00:06:53.380 As a matter of fact, we've mocked, I'm sure everybody around here has mocked the same headlines.

00:06:57.640 They had a headline up on their website a few weeks ago that said that President Trump gets two scoops of ice cream and everybody else only gets one.

00:07:05.140 And that was just that was a headline on on CNN dot com.

00:07:09.960 So there was another story this morning where they were they went out and interviewed people where he went to Sunday school as a child.

00:07:18.180 What was he like in Sunday school 50 years ago or 70?

00:07:21.820 It was 65 years ago.

00:07:23.620 So if people they're going back to his Sunday school classes and asking what he was like, it's just getting to be that kind of coverage of everything that happens.

00:07:31.600 When it comes to this White House leaker, if there is somebody that has a top secret clearance working inside the White House and they're removing documents and sending them out, she got arrested.

00:07:41.420 But here's an interesting point about this.

00:07:44.180 How is this any different from what Hillary Clinton did with her emails?

00:07:48.600 And there's a point here that we all have to realize Hillary Clinton did it digitally, but it's no different.

00:07:57.700 I've told this story 20 times.

00:08:00.020 There is a room, a top secret document room called a SCIF.

00:08:03.560 And that is where people, when there is something top secret for someone with a clearance to read, they are notified that there are documents for you in the SCIF.

00:08:11.500 You then go in, you leave all of your electronic devices outside.

00:08:14.940 There's no recording devices, no cell phones, no anything.

00:08:18.220 You sign into the room, you read your documents.

00:08:21.400 You can't take pictures, you can't make copies, you can't do anything.

00:08:24.260 And you certainly can't remove those documents from that room.

00:08:28.200 Well, then, if you do that, you're violating the law.

00:08:33.220 Well, what was the difference with what Hillary Clinton did with her emails?

00:08:37.160 She took what were classified documents on an unsecure server and sent them to other people.

00:08:44.240 How is it any different?

00:08:45.340 Except this girl had an agenda.

00:08:46.920 This girl was politically motivated to leak information.

00:08:49.880 But there's no difference in walking out of a room, walking out of the SCIF with a hard piece of paper,

00:08:54.660 or digitally sending something on an unsecure server that shouldn't be sent on an unsecure server.

00:08:59.420 And so, the difference here being, here's a low-level person without political clout.

00:09:05.040 I believe she deserves to be punished for what she did.

00:09:09.360 But how is it any different?

00:09:10.860 I hope that there's a legal expert that can explain to me the difference of exposing those documents

00:09:15.520 as someone who pulled them out of the SCIF and walked down the hallway with them and set them on a desk,

00:09:19.880 or someone that digitally transfers those very same kind of documents to people on an unsecure server.

00:09:25.080 Whose hands it ends up in, who doesn't matter as much as the danger you put national security interests in.

00:09:31.140 Coming up in a moment, we're going to talk about the London attackers.

00:09:34.020 The identities of these three people, a little bit that we know about their backgrounds as the three have been identified.

00:09:39.240 And how about the police?

00:09:40.480 What should they have known?

00:09:42.000 Is this one that slipped through the cracks that they should have known more about this guy?

00:09:45.960 Had a barbecue at his house a week before to say goodbye to people.

00:09:49.020 All that's coming up here in the next segment of the show.

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00:10:16.000 So much information starting to roll in about the London attackers and who they are and who they were and what happened.

00:10:24.560 There's some video, obviously cell phone video of the shootout.

00:10:28.620 And this butt is his last name, you know, appropriately named.

00:10:35.220 He is a British citizen born in Pakistan, according to London's Metropolitan Police.

00:10:40.340 Both the police and MI5 were familiar with him, but there was no intelligence to suggest that the attack was going to happen this weekend.

00:10:48.280 He appeared in a 2016 documentary called The Jihadist Next Door.

00:10:52.400 He's seen unfurling an ISIS flag.

00:10:54.620 He has made ISIS statements.

00:10:55.880 He has tried to radicalize kids in the park.

00:10:57.980 They knew a lot about this guy.

00:10:59.180 And this is the battle that we would face in America, I would think, more so than anywhere else, is the idea of free speech.

00:11:06.880 Because if there was somebody here in America espousing radical ideas, it would be protected as long as it was just speech.

00:11:14.260 You're not motivating people to crimes.

00:11:16.280 You can't convict someone or arrest somebody for a crime they didn't commit.

00:11:19.660 But here is somebody on a terror watch list talking about radicalization, talking to kids in the park, apparently through a barbecue the week before to say goodbye to everybody.

00:11:29.800 I'm wondering why there wasn't anyone who came forward if they knew what he was planning.

00:11:35.460 Now, he was known to police.

00:11:36.960 People had talked about this guy.

00:11:38.420 But why is it that he was, or how is it, that he was able to be as open about doing some of the things without people making statements or complaints about it, especially after the Manchester bombing?

00:11:51.020 When someone set off a bomb at an Ariana Grande concert, knowing that they were going to injure or kill largely young people, especially young girls, but young people, you know, teenagers at the oldest.

00:12:03.100 There was an eight-year-old girl that was killed at that scene.

00:12:05.240 And how that doesn't change the hearts and minds of people in London with the rhetoric and the things that you say.

00:12:10.700 It works in reverse.

00:12:12.200 It's got to work this way.

00:12:14.020 Where we stand right now, and it was such a silly story.

00:12:16.820 It was part of the show prep stuff when I was going through a stack of stories to talk about today.

00:12:21.800 TNT showed the movie Back to the Future.

00:12:24.740 And I guess there's a scene in Back to the Future, I've only seen the movie a couple of times,

00:12:28.560 where Doc was killed in Libya because he wouldn't build them a nuclear bomb.

00:12:34.360 So he's killed by terrorists.

00:12:37.320 Well, what, and there's a letter written by the Michael J. Fox character where he's trying to write a letter to warn him ahead of time so he doesn't get killed in this attack.

00:12:45.720 And he writes the word terrorist in the letter.

00:12:48.480 Not only did they remove the word terrorist from the audio, like they bleeped it out like they would a four-letter word.

00:12:55.360 They changed the camera angle so that you don't see him writing the word terrorist on a piece of paper.

00:13:01.460 Why?

00:13:02.240 I guess in the politically correct world we live in, it's inappropriate to use some of those inflammatory words.

00:13:07.940 Well, if that works that way, if we are supposed to do something different based on what somebody is saying because of the times we live in,

00:13:14.100 where are you in London right now after the Manchester bombing, after what you've seen happen all over Europe, in Paris, in Germany, Brussels,

00:13:22.060 how is it that you don't see somebody in your own neighborhood espousing the same kind of views and waving that flag

00:13:28.060 and you have no sense of responsibility to report it or make sure that people understand the severity if you knew it?

00:13:36.320 So that's a bigger question for me is, was this guy largely ignored because he seemed like he was all talk?

00:13:43.740 I don't know that.

00:13:44.820 I wasn't there.

00:13:45.800 But here's somebody that was in a video called The Jihadist Next Door.

00:13:49.900 If you've got a documentary with somebody calling themselves a jihadist in this day and age,

00:13:55.160 how is it that he's not ostracized, number one?

00:13:59.100 How is it he's got so many friends and people around him?

00:14:01.460 And then on top of that, how was he not reported, you know, the days and weeks before this attack happened?

00:14:08.740 The other co-conspirators in this was this guy, Rancid, I want to say Rancid, but it's Rasid.

00:14:18.940 He used the last name Elkdar as well.

00:14:22.200 He claimed to be of Moroccan and Libyan descent.

00:14:25.160 He lived in East London, but he was not known to authorities.

00:14:29.840 So is this somebody that was radicalized by the first guy?

00:14:34.100 Did some of this rhetoric work with him?

00:14:36.060 Now, he said he was radicalized.

00:14:37.280 The first guy said he was radicalized by YouTube videos.

00:14:39.960 If that's the case, then he radicalized this young man.

00:14:44.880 Well, he's a little bit older, actually 27, and this one's 30 years old.

00:14:48.380 And then the youngest of the three, Yousef Zagba is his name, also claims to be of Moroccan descent,

00:14:54.540 or is from Morocco, and lives in Italy now.

00:14:58.880 22 years old.

00:15:00.560 He's been previously stopped by security forces who suspected him, was bound for Syria,

00:15:06.080 and reportedly notified the UK authorities, according to British police.

00:15:09.900 He was the last member identified of the trio of jihadists.

00:15:12.700 They killed seven people Saturday night.

00:15:14.260 Intelligence operators notified British and Moroccan authorities after Italian police stopped him in March of 2016

00:15:21.340 at the Bologna airport bound for Istanbul.

00:15:25.740 The Italian authorities, and they suspected then he was on his way to Syria,

00:15:29.400 so they stopped him, and they gave notice that he was on his way there.

00:15:33.920 So now here are the questions.

00:15:35.360 You look in hindsight, and I don't want to second-guess the authorities.

00:15:37.800 They have a very difficult job.

00:15:39.200 I would imagine Great Britain is as difficult here as the FBI has here in America.

00:15:44.120 It's tough to second-guess.

00:15:45.780 But they will be, and they should be, second-guessing themselves.

00:15:48.600 They should be asking themselves, what did they miss?

00:15:52.780 You've got someone you didn't know anything about.

00:15:55.220 You've got somebody that was reported by the Italian government trying to sneak into Syria.

00:15:59.100 You've got another guy that you know is an open jihadist and an open, at least, agitator

00:16:04.240 in the community where you live.

00:16:05.920 And what are you able to do to stop these attacks?

00:16:11.340 Should they have been surveilling one or all three of these guys?

00:16:14.300 They will go back and look at this information, because I can promise you, if it was the FBI,

00:16:18.780 nobody is more concerned when something like this happens than the people that are hired

00:16:22.840 or charged with preventing them from happening.

00:16:26.400 And so my concern now is, who else is in London?

00:16:30.040 Does this open the eyes of the Londoners, of the people of Great Britain as a whole?

00:16:33.280 Does this open their eyes to the fact that the people around them, that people espousing

00:16:37.560 this kind of rhetoric are deadly serious?

00:16:40.860 That a guy that will build a bomb that's going to kill teenagers at a concert, or three guys

00:16:46.140 that will jump in a car and just indiscriminately run people down on the London Bridge, and then

00:16:50.440 to begin just stabbing people in the streets, knowing that the only way they're going to

00:16:55.060 be stopped is when they are gunned down by the police, knowing that these are going to

00:16:59.060 be their final moments, and they've chosen their final moments to kill innocent people.

00:17:03.720 When do the people of London, England as a whole, stand up against the people in their

00:17:07.920 own neighborhoods?

00:17:08.700 Number one.

00:17:09.560 But number two, when do the governments in these European nations understand that vetting

00:17:13.880 people through a refugee program is the right thing to do?

00:17:16.880 Knowing who is coming into your country, why they're coming in, what their reasoning is.

00:17:21.180 You're not going to stop things 100% of the time.

00:17:23.300 But does anybody think these are the last three people?

00:17:26.780 There was an attack in Australia.

00:17:28.140 We're now hearing that ISIS is claiming responsibility for the attack in Australia.

00:17:35.280 At what point do we recognize that what we're fighting against is an enemy who hates us to

00:17:40.900 the degree that they will do anything, do anything to kill our children, to terrorize our neighborhoods.

00:17:49.700 You can't walk on the London Bridge.

00:17:51.420 You can't be outside at a cafe or a restaurant.

00:17:54.060 You can't be anywhere without looking over your shoulder.

00:17:56.360 I don't know what city you live in, but when was the last time you can think of that you

00:18:00.800 walked around wondering what might happen?

00:18:03.680 It happened to me with my kids and my grandkids at a museum.

00:18:08.240 And it was all families.

00:18:09.580 It was mostly moms with very young children.

00:18:11.940 But a lot of families, most of the kids were under the age of 10 in this museum.

00:18:16.200 And walking around this maze of rooms in this museum was the first time I ever thought to

00:18:21.940 myself, even in a place like I live in where most people are armed most of the time, nobody

00:18:27.180 was armed in this place.

00:18:28.540 It was a maze of rooms with small children.

00:18:31.840 It was the first time in my life I thought if somebody were going to do something, this

00:18:35.720 would be where the most damage was done because there's a lot of kids here and there isn't

00:18:39.260 a lot of people in here that would be able to stop anything from happening.

00:18:42.360 And I've never thought that way.

00:18:45.560 Do the people of London and other European nations begin to start feeling like they either

00:18:50.600 have to do something or life as they know it is changing?

00:18:54.340 The police saying, you know, to run, hide and tell is not going to solve anything.

00:18:59.760 It means you're going to run and hide and you're a prisoner in your own country.

00:19:03.780 Coming up in just a few moments, we'll talk about the Orlando shooter.

00:19:06.520 They identified him.

00:19:07.740 But of course, as predicted yesterday, the very first thing out of the mouths of people when

00:19:11.840 it was brought out there, now people want to talk about guns.

00:19:14.800 Let's talk about the gun control debate based on the Orlando shooting that happened yesterday.

00:19:19.320 It was as predictable as could be.

00:19:21.360 It happened.

00:19:22.160 We're going to talk about that coming up next.

00:19:23.780 My name is Mike Broomhead.

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00:19:31.980 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:19:41.840 All right.

00:19:43.640 Let's talk about the Orlando shooting yesterday.

00:19:45.620 Yesterday morning, it came out.

00:19:46.980 News broke.

00:19:47.940 We talked about it here on the show.

00:19:49.320 Orlando, a disgruntled employee.

00:19:50.720 We didn't have details yesterday, but a disgruntled employee, a 45-year-old man, went to a former

00:19:55.060 business, an awning-making company.

00:19:57.740 And a former, I think he's an Army veteran, had been arrested on a couple of misdemeanor charges,

00:20:03.060 possession of marijuana, DUI.

00:20:05.320 So they fired him.

00:20:06.940 And he went back to the place of business and sent some people out, told them to leave,

00:20:14.360 and killed five people, turned the gun on himself.

00:20:17.140 So immediately after, the police, the sheriff there, because they're one week away from

00:20:23.180 the Pulse nightclub shooting anniversary, the sheriff came out very quickly and said,

00:20:29.700 we don't believe this is terrorism.

00:20:30.840 We don't believe this is a subversive group.

00:20:32.620 We believe it was an isolated incident.

00:20:35.300 It was all under control at the time.

00:20:37.260 The scene had been taken under control.

00:20:41.140 And then they said they'll get more details.

00:20:44.100 Well, as the details began to come out, I predicted yesterday, we are going to go down

00:20:48.400 the road of the gun control argument, immediately on social media.

00:20:52.860 Someone named Heather tweets out, six dead, not terrorism, just America, at real Donald Trump,

00:20:57.620 ready for the gun debate now.

00:20:59.300 I am.

00:20:59.880 I'll be honest with you.

00:21:00.860 Um, I'm always ready for the gun debate.

00:21:03.880 I'm ready for the gun debate because it's not going to solve the problem more so than

00:21:08.780 my right to keep and bear arms, which you can't infringe upon.

00:21:12.300 I'm not worried about that happening.

00:21:14.160 More importantly than that is the attitude by the gun control activists that would say

00:21:18.440 that they care more about safety than I do.

00:21:20.780 I would tell you it's exactly the opposite, that people that own guns legally, legal gun

00:21:26.340 owners care a lot more about their own personal safety and the safety of people around

00:21:29.740 them, they understand the full responsibility of owning and keeping a gun, that the small

00:21:34.700 number of people that abuse gun ownership are people like this who maybe don't have the

00:21:39.200 right to have guns, that there's already laws in place that would preclude them from doing

00:21:43.440 what they're doing.

00:21:44.060 By the way, we have laws against murder.

00:21:46.040 That didn't stop this guy.

00:21:47.380 How are more gun laws going to stop him?

00:21:49.380 How is it making harder?

00:21:50.300 Because he's not going to get a gun through legal channels if he wants to do this.

00:21:54.640 I am.

00:21:56.420 So how is it making harder for me to get a firearm making us any safer?

00:22:02.200 I'm ready for that debate.

00:22:05.480 The debate should be had, but let's have it openly and honestly.

00:22:08.780 Let's start from the place that I don't care less about safety than I do owning a gun.

00:22:14.760 It is a ridiculous and insulting premise.

00:22:17.020 I have kids, I have grandkids, I have people in my life that I care about and love, and

00:22:22.460 I don't want any of them injured or hurt by some maniac with a gun.

00:22:26.180 But stopping me from getting one is not going to prevent that from happening.

00:22:30.340 Go look at the city of Chicago.

00:22:34.560 The entire city of Chicago is not a dangerous place, but there are sections of Chicago that

00:22:39.080 are setting records every year for gun violence, shootings and murders by guns.

00:22:43.660 They've got the most restrictive gun laws in the country, or some of them.

00:22:49.360 The reason why this is such a big discussion, here's someone else named Tony on Twitter.

00:22:54.140 Five people were murdered by a disgruntled former employee, five miles from me in Orlando

00:22:58.300 with a gun.

00:22:59.480 Let's have that gun debate, sir.

00:23:01.320 They're all tweeting toward the president.

00:23:03.180 Again, I agree, we should.

00:23:04.660 I think this should be a debate.

00:23:06.140 If there's anybody out there that is an anti-gun person that thinks you can defeat my argument

00:23:11.040 in any way, I would love to hear from you, because it's a ridiculous premise to think

00:23:15.720 that the same people that are either so mentally ill or so crazed that they would murder a stranger

00:23:21.860 or murder former co-workers or go to a scene like they did in Tucson, Arizona, where Jared

00:23:27.800 Loeffner gunned down Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, gunned down a federal judge and a little

00:23:32.720 girl and indiscriminately shooting into a crowd.

00:23:35.200 You tell me how taking my rights or limiting my rights or making it more difficult for

00:23:41.280 me to get a gun stops any of that, because it won't.

00:23:45.760 They will get guns by any means necessary.

00:23:48.620 Do you think the gangs in our streets are going into gun shops and buying their guns that

00:23:52.700 way?

00:23:53.140 Do you think they're taking legally registered guns of their own and shooting each other

00:23:57.640 in the streets?

00:23:58.460 No.

00:23:59.080 They're buying guns in the streets.

00:24:00.840 And many of them convicted felons that are not supposed to have guns.

00:24:07.980 Tommy on Twitter, Tommy Campbell, multiple deaths in Orlando.

00:24:12.080 Sources confirm it's not terrorism related and involves guns.

00:24:15.820 So we won't hear a thing from Donald Trump.

00:24:19.020 Shannon writes, Shannon Watts on Twitter, write, just another day in America, we're letting the

00:24:23.460 gun lobby and lawmakers beholden to them, I'm sorry, beholden to them, terrorize us on a

00:24:29.720 daily basis.

00:24:31.740 Okay.

00:24:33.380 I want to know how anybody in the gun lobby is terrorizing anyone.

00:24:36.600 No, it was a 45-year-old guy named John Robert Newman who terrorized those people in

00:24:42.820 Orlando.

00:24:43.680 John Robert Newman thought that the best course of action to take to solve whatever problem

00:24:48.900 he had with this company was to take a gun in and kill five former co-workers and then

00:24:54.120 himself.

00:24:54.580 He could have driven his car through the front window.

00:24:57.840 We've seen them doing that now on the London Bridge.

00:25:00.460 Are we going to restrict car making?

00:25:02.360 We're going to limit the size of cars?

00:25:04.300 How about we make the gas tank smaller so that they can't drive as far to murder people?

00:25:08.600 It's as stupid as reducing the size of the magazines or clips, as people like to call

00:25:13.880 them, in a firearm.

00:25:15.260 It doesn't do anything to solve the problem.

00:25:17.860 Solving the human element of this is how you solve this problem.

00:25:20.920 Locking up people that are dangerous, locking up people that have committed multiple crimes.

00:25:27.460 And I don't know of the mental stability of this guy.

00:25:29.920 Obviously, there was some issues if he's willing to kill five people.

00:25:33.160 He'd been arrested on a couple of occasions, fired from his job.

00:25:36.400 He had had an incident at work where he got into a fist fight with a co-worker.

00:25:40.700 So they let him go.

00:25:41.880 He was a bad employee.

00:25:43.140 He was a bad employee because there was something wrong with the guy.

00:25:45.800 But the anti-gun lobby, the anti-gun people, it's not so much their opinion because I can

00:25:54.560 agree to disagree with people on passionate topics like gun control or the right to life

00:26:00.060 versus abortion.

00:26:01.060 I can find common ground and disagree with people and not be disagreeable and scream at

00:26:07.140 each other.

00:26:07.540 It's the condescending attitude of people that believe that I don't care about public

00:26:13.000 safety, that somehow I would rather have guns and be dangerous.

00:26:17.660 Well, it's the exact opposite.

00:26:19.460 And there is no hearing it from anyone on that side of the argument.

00:26:22.760 The argument that I would rather keep a gun and not care about safety or if I had to make

00:26:28.340 the two choices, you know, more kids are going to die like Sandy Hook Elementary or we're

00:26:33.700 going to restrict gun ownership.

00:26:35.040 You choose.

00:26:35.900 First of all, you can't present any data that any of these gun laws ever worked to begin

00:26:40.380 with because they don't.

00:26:42.040 They never have and they never will.

00:26:44.760 We have speed limit laws.

00:26:46.920 I'm a big violator.

00:26:48.140 I drive pretty fast.

00:26:50.020 So I get caught.

00:26:51.600 I get a ticket.

00:26:54.760 There's laws in place.

00:26:56.160 So what do we do?

00:26:57.200 You can up the fines.

00:26:58.820 Maybe that'll slow somebody down.

00:27:00.240 But what do you do when someone isn't going to obey the law?

00:27:06.280 They get punished when they commit a crime.

00:27:08.120 But you don't change society because somebody else breaks the law.

00:27:12.220 We've got very restrictive DUI laws where I live.

00:27:15.660 And I don't know what reasoning behind it.

00:27:18.180 Over the Memorial Day weekend, there was an uptick in DUI arrests.

00:27:22.660 Were the was the DPS just better at their job this year?

00:27:26.320 Were there more people out partying this Memorial Day weekend?

00:27:29.000 I don't know the answer to that.

00:27:30.080 But we have very restrictive DUI laws.

00:27:33.660 But they're not blaming the vehicles.

00:27:36.480 I could go into a grocery store today here in Texas with a hand truck,

00:27:42.700 buy eight cases of beer, seven bags of ice, and four bottles of tequila.

00:27:47.800 And when I went out of the store, somebody would say, where's the party?

00:27:52.440 Nobody's going to say, all that alcohol, someone's going to die or cause a DUI.

00:27:56.200 No one's going to blame the car.

00:27:57.780 No one's going to blame the amount of alcohol.

00:27:59.160 I take a hand truck.

00:28:00.740 I go into a gun store.

00:28:02.120 I buy five guns and a case of ammunition.

00:28:04.900 People are going to start asking me questions.

00:28:06.580 Want to know who I'm out to kill.

00:28:08.680 What are you so afraid of?

00:28:09.880 I'm not afraid of anything.

00:28:10.860 I'm well armed.

00:28:13.160 So this battle, this debate needs to be had.

00:28:16.280 I don't like to report on these stories any more than anyone else does.

00:28:20.040 When children are killed in a crossfire of a gang fight,

00:28:23.660 when innocent kids get shot,

00:28:26.160 when there was, you know, in my hometown, there was a freeway shooter.

00:28:28.820 There was some guy that was just shooting at cars early in the morning.

00:28:33.160 I hate that as much as anybody else does.

00:28:36.240 But there is no one out there that can make a reasonable argument

00:28:40.160 that restricting my rights or my ability to get a firearm,

00:28:44.640 and people like me, I'm no different than any other gun owner,

00:28:49.160 restricting my rights does nothing to make us safer.

00:28:52.000 I would even make the argument that it makes us less safe.

00:28:56.900 So if we stop focusing on the tool that's used,

00:28:59.900 and the reason why nobody talks about the cars or even knives to that degree

00:29:04.900 is that a knife has another purpose.

00:29:07.520 The gun has one purpose, self-defense or aggression.

00:29:10.700 It's an aggressive, it's a weapon.

00:29:12.460 Now, target shooters, I get it.

00:29:14.420 I'm not talking about target shooting.

00:29:15.980 Hunters, but that's what guns are used for.

00:29:18.740 And so there is this hatred for guns,

00:29:22.000 and people just are so blind about it,

00:29:25.100 they can't see that if you were to enact the laws you wanted to,

00:29:28.580 it wouldn't solve the problem,

00:29:30.160 it would make my life more difficult,

00:29:32.140 and we'd still be in the same boat

00:29:33.700 because the criminals would have the upper hand.

00:29:36.180 That's just how it would be.

00:29:38.500 Before we get out of this hour,

00:29:40.380 I want to point out some of the fun things that are going on.

00:29:43.620 Bernie Sanders is in the news.

00:29:45.000 Bernie Sanders wrote a book

00:29:46.800 and has a financial disclosure statement.

00:29:49.980 Bernie Sanders isn't quite the poor guy people thought he was.

00:29:53.460 Bernie Sanders is a millionaire.

00:29:55.080 I think he made almost a million bucks.

00:29:56.680 We'll talk about Bernie Sanders

00:29:57.820 and the hypocrisy of the socialism,

00:30:00.880 socialist movement here in America

00:30:02.160 coming up in a few moments.

00:30:03.220 Again, if you're a Twitter user,

00:30:04.640 on Twitter I am at Broomhead Show.

00:30:06.580 That's the best way to reach out to me.

00:30:07.880 I'd love to interact with you

00:30:08.700 during some of these commercial breaks.

00:30:10.200 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:30:11.400 I'm Mike Broomhead.

00:30:12.260 I'll be back.

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00:30:26.380 So just looking up at the call screen,

00:30:27.960 there's so far no callers on the gun control argument.

00:30:30.580 You know, it's easy on Twitter.

00:30:32.240 You know, 140 characters,

00:30:33.500 pretty easy to espouse a bunch of nonsense about guns.

00:30:36.500 And I think that's the bigger problem.

00:30:38.220 I don't mind anyone who disagrees with me

00:30:40.100 and even passionately disagrees with me.

00:30:42.220 But to say that I care less bothers me.

00:30:44.080 That bothers me more than anything.

00:30:46.060 I love my country.

00:30:47.200 I love my community.

00:30:47.940 I love where I live.

00:30:49.060 I don't want to see innocent people injured or killed.

00:30:51.580 I don't want damage done any more than you do

00:30:53.580 to the environment with guns.

00:30:56.400 Any more of that.

00:30:57.340 I don't.

00:30:58.160 I don't disrespect women because of my views on abortion.

00:31:01.580 It's not like I want to make laws about women's bodies.

00:31:03.860 It's just a difference.

00:31:04.920 And if we can come to an agreement

00:31:06.280 that we may passionately disagree,

00:31:08.940 but we're not disrespectful,

00:31:10.560 maybe we get somewhere.

00:31:11.460 But, you know, it's one of the reasons

00:31:13.220 why I like social media,

00:31:14.380 but it's the downside of it as well.

00:31:16.040 I love the snarky, sarcastic, funny stuff online.

00:31:22.280 It really is funny.

00:31:23.500 All the covfefe tweets made me laugh.

00:31:26.040 I just, I laugh at those things when I read them.

00:31:28.020 People are very clever.

00:31:29.240 But at the same time,

00:31:30.160 the anonymity of social media

00:31:32.020 gives people the right to say the most ignorant things

00:31:35.680 and yet get away with it

00:31:37.640 without being called out as personally

00:31:39.200 because, you know,

00:31:39.800 your Twitter handle is slappy62 or something.

00:31:43.380 It's not your real name.

00:31:44.340 Nobody knows who you really are.

00:31:45.680 So you can say the most horrible things

00:31:47.500 to or about people

00:31:48.540 without being called out for it.

00:31:50.320 But this is an important conversation

00:31:52.680 that we were having.

00:31:54.520 You know, five people were murdered

00:31:55.960 by a lunatic in Orlando.

00:31:59.820 How do you prevent those things from happening

00:32:01.920 as often as you can prevent them?

00:32:03.840 No one's going to prevent something like that

00:32:06.140 100% of the time.

00:32:08.200 But what steps can we take to limit them?

00:32:12.080 We do that with all of our other laws

00:32:14.240 and the things that we do

00:32:15.060 is how do we limit the damage?

00:32:17.440 And so I want,

00:32:18.220 I put that,

00:32:18.600 I was serious when I put it out there.

00:32:20.200 Anybody wants to talk about it,

00:32:21.620 I would love to hear it

00:32:22.740 because it's impossible for you

00:32:24.600 to say that limiting good people's rights

00:32:28.560 from getting firearms

00:32:30.280 makes anybody safer

00:32:31.740 because the criminals

00:32:32.740 are going to get the guns anyway.

00:32:34.140 They're going to steal them.

00:32:35.100 They're going to buy them on the black market.

00:32:36.600 They're going to get them illegally.

00:32:37.680 They don't want anything connected to them anyway.

00:32:40.220 Or before we get out,

00:32:40.960 before we get out of this hour,

00:32:42.980 Bernie Sanders

00:32:43.760 is a self-proclaimed socialist.

00:32:47.340 Got $795,000.

00:32:51.480 $795,000 for his book deal.

00:32:54.880 That's nice.

00:32:55.740 I mean, and I'm happy for him.

00:32:56.860 Here's something I can agree on.

00:32:58.020 And there's one way now

00:32:58.920 I want to be like Bernie Sanders.

00:33:00.460 I want to make $800,000

00:33:01.960 for writing a book.

00:33:03.120 And that would be terrific.

00:33:04.420 I would love it.

00:33:06.840 But he's a capitalist.

00:33:08.700 Michael Moore makes a career

00:33:10.840 out of bashing the right

00:33:13.740 and bashing capitalism

00:33:15.000 with his Sicko documentary

00:33:18.420 and complete lie about health care in general,

00:33:22.280 but especially about Cuba,

00:33:24.360 is ridiculous.

00:33:26.660 But man,

00:33:27.600 is he good at what he does.

00:33:29.720 There's a guy that's made millions of dollars

00:33:31.800 with that rhetoric.

00:33:33.880 But the guy's a multimillionaire.

00:33:36.660 Bernie Sanders,

00:33:38.360 publishers for his book,

00:33:39.580 according to his 2016 annual financial filings,

00:33:41.980 he also received $63,750

00:33:44.480 in royalty payments that year.

00:33:46.760 In addition to the book deal,

00:33:48.600 he brings in over $200,000

00:33:50.520 in his salary.

00:33:51.380 Now, he's in the lower quarter

00:33:53.320 of, I guess, wealth

00:33:57.000 of the other senators.

00:33:58.640 But the guy still does all right.

00:34:00.020 He still pulls in $420,000 a year

00:34:03.440 from his various things that he does.

00:34:05.200 He owns five houses,

00:34:06.440 which I really applaud that.

00:34:08.120 That's the American dream.

00:34:09.340 That's success.

00:34:10.520 That's what America used to aspire to.

00:34:14.020 When I was young,

00:34:14.960 growing up where I did,

00:34:16.320 people used to point to successful people

00:34:18.480 and say, if you work hard,

00:34:20.760 you can achieve that.

00:34:22.640 The old saying is,

00:34:23.820 chase the dream, not the money.

00:34:25.300 And that's actually the way it is.

00:34:27.280 That's the way it should be.

00:34:28.640 That's all I've ever done.

00:34:29.900 And it's been the best experience of my life

00:34:31.840 is chasing the dream.

00:34:34.080 You know, I love it.

00:34:35.740 I absolutely love it.

00:34:37.960 But at the same time,

00:34:39.760 I'm not going to apologize

00:34:41.700 if I gain some level of wealth.

00:34:44.120 Bernie Sanders does.

00:34:45.180 As a matter of fact,

00:34:45.880 in a tweet that he put out

00:34:47.960 on April 20th of this year,

00:34:50.700 how many yachts do billionaires need?

00:34:52.500 How many cars do they need?

00:34:53.900 Give us a break.

00:34:54.700 You can't have it all.

00:34:56.580 And the funny thing about that argument

00:34:58.200 is many people would agree with it.

00:35:00.260 My question to Bernie Sanders would be,

00:35:04.220 how much do I need isn't the question.

00:35:07.720 Why are you entitled to it

00:35:08.860 just because I don't need it?

00:35:12.000 Why is it that the government gets to take it

00:35:14.040 just because they deem that I don't need it?

00:35:17.140 So Bernie Sanders,

00:35:18.260 the self-confirmed socialist,

00:35:19.580 is richer than most of the people

00:35:20.900 that ever followed him.

00:35:21.940 Next hour,

00:35:22.620 we're going to talk about the contractor

00:35:23.980 who has been arrested

00:35:25.000 for being the NSA leaker.

00:35:27.280 We'll talk about her

00:35:28.320 and what the uproar she has caused.

00:35:31.740 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:36:25.660 Hello, I'm Mike Broomhead in for Glenn

00:36:28.960 in today and tomorrow as well.

00:36:30.960 I want to thank you for being a part of the show,

00:36:32.340 however you're listening,

00:36:32.900 however you're watching.

00:36:33.660 We appreciate you spending some time with us.

00:36:35.520 Do our best to keep you informed

00:36:36.500 and entertained throughout the morning.

00:36:38.400 Here is the anniversary of D-Day,

00:36:40.720 the invasion of Normandy,

00:36:42.940 the biggest sea invasion,

00:36:47.240 amphibious invasion in history.

00:36:49.140 And it is a time where we reflect,

00:36:51.520 we call the World War II generation

00:36:52.900 the greatest generation,

00:36:53.820 and I've had the privilege

00:36:54.940 of meeting so many men and women

00:36:58.160 that have served in our armed forces.

00:37:01.460 And it is,

00:37:02.700 to say it's humbling is a,

00:37:06.960 it doesn't do it justice.

00:37:09.460 When my brother was killed in Iraq,

00:37:11.440 I thought I was going to go out

00:37:12.460 and tell and share a heroic story

00:37:14.560 of my brother giving his life for his country

00:37:16.760 and for the men he fought with.

00:37:17.800 And it is a heroic story in itself.

00:37:21.180 But meeting the men and women

00:37:22.680 who just in this country

00:37:23.820 go back to their daily lives

00:37:25.100 without a concern for any repayment

00:37:27.740 for their heroism,

00:37:29.460 there are people around you that are veterans.

00:37:31.180 And I would encourage any veteran

00:37:32.380 of any of America's conflict or not,

00:37:35.440 even if you weren't in combat,

00:37:37.880 tell some of your stories

00:37:39.020 because the stories of heroism

00:37:41.180 from our veterans

00:37:42.080 is something that should be shared.

00:37:44.580 You'd be amazed at your friends

00:37:46.220 and neighbors who have done miraculous things,

00:37:50.320 who have done amazing things

00:37:51.680 in sacrifice for their country.

00:37:53.500 And on D-Day,

00:37:54.080 we think about what we call

00:37:55.040 the greatest generation.

00:37:56.580 In World War II,

00:37:57.780 the entire country was involved

00:37:59.220 and things were rationed

00:38:00.660 and women went to work in factories

00:38:02.020 while the men went off and fought.

00:38:03.260 And it was,

00:38:04.340 the full nation was involved in that war.

00:38:07.660 We're at a place in the world now

00:38:08.900 where we could literally go days

00:38:11.020 if we didn't pay attention to the news

00:38:13.120 of what's happening with our men and women

00:38:14.780 that are in harm's way.

00:38:15.680 And there was a very heartwarming story

00:38:17.740 this morning

00:38:18.300 that Paul Ryan and George W. Bush

00:38:21.780 here in Dallas

00:38:22.840 went to visit some wounded warriors.

00:38:25.580 And the pictures taken

00:38:26.940 with the former president

00:38:27.900 and those warriors

00:38:28.800 was really something to behold.

00:38:30.800 I've had the privilege

00:38:32.160 of meeting the president

00:38:33.280 on a few different occasions.

00:38:35.540 And he is,

00:38:36.820 in my estimation,

00:38:37.980 the military loved him

00:38:39.620 and he loved them back,

00:38:41.200 that he is somebody

00:38:42.160 that has given his life to this cause.

00:38:43.720 And it's terrible to see the naysayers

00:38:46.380 that say horrible things about him.

00:38:48.460 And he has just got a heart

00:38:49.940 for the men and women that have served.

00:38:51.160 And it was such a nice thing for him to do

00:38:53.040 to visit with those wounded warriors.

00:38:55.060 But we could go days,

00:38:57.060 weeks,

00:38:57.440 and not pay attention to the war

00:38:58.820 unless somebody we know is killed

00:39:00.280 or there's something big in the news

00:39:01.820 that's happened.

00:39:02.660 And yet we still have men and women

00:39:03.960 in Afghanistan.

00:39:04.580 We have people in Iraq.

00:39:06.180 We have people in Syria.

00:39:07.440 We have people in Somalia.

00:39:08.740 We have people all over the world

00:39:10.180 in harm's way

00:39:11.340 every single day risking their lives.

00:39:13.920 And whether it's these currents

00:39:15.280 OEF, OIF,

00:39:16.400 where you go backward

00:39:17.220 all the way

00:39:18.320 to the World War II generation

00:39:21.420 who still have some members alive,

00:39:23.560 we have made great sacrifices

00:39:25.620 in this country

00:39:26.340 and none of them

00:39:27.380 bigger

00:39:28.700 than what we saw on D-Day.

00:39:31.080 And the loss of life

00:39:33.020 but also the willingness

00:39:34.480 to give their lives.

00:39:36.440 The men that charged that beach that day

00:39:38.820 is something in American,

00:39:40.900 in world history

00:39:41.700 that will never be forgotten.

00:39:43.200 It changed the course of the world

00:39:44.540 and we are privileged

00:39:46.820 to be able to talk about it now freely

00:39:49.080 because of the sacrifice

00:39:50.480 of the people on that day

00:39:51.580 and then the conflicts that followed

00:39:52.980 that finally won on the Western Front.

00:39:55.220 So a thank you

00:39:56.700 to any of the World War II generation

00:39:59.000 that is still listening.

00:40:00.260 If you're listening or watching the show

00:40:01.660 or family members,

00:40:02.800 it is truly an honor

00:40:03.940 to have met so many members

00:40:06.180 of the military,

00:40:06.960 especially from that generation.

00:40:08.700 So I apologize.

00:40:10.140 We didn't talk about D-Day

00:40:11.100 in the first hour.

00:40:12.900 We should have.

00:40:14.480 We're talking now

00:40:15.340 about a different kind of warfare

00:40:16.460 that we're in in the world.

00:40:17.720 The London attackers

00:40:18.520 have been identified,

00:40:19.640 three men,

00:40:20.160 27, 30, and 22 years old.

00:40:22.960 So relatively young men.

00:40:25.480 Two of them Moroccan,

00:40:28.180 one of them from Pakistan originally,

00:40:30.440 two of them citizens of England,

00:40:31.800 the other one an Italian citizen.

00:40:33.800 But one radicalized,

00:40:35.760 according to him,

00:40:36.800 YouTube videos.

00:40:38.460 But this,

00:40:40.000 his last name is Butt,

00:40:41.000 which is appropriate.

00:40:43.020 He has been radicalized for a while,

00:40:45.100 was known to have been

00:40:46.000 trying to radicalize kids in a park,

00:40:48.240 had been very outspoken.

00:40:50.600 It was part of a documentary last year

00:40:52.520 called The Jihadist Next Door.

00:40:54.700 And how he was on their radar

00:40:58.420 but not being surveilled

00:41:00.840 because he wasn't an immediate

00:41:02.680 or imminent threat

00:41:03.660 is the question

00:41:04.700 you will now be heard asked

00:41:06.640 all over Europe,

00:41:07.780 but especially in the UK,

00:41:09.220 is how did this guy

00:41:10.760 not make the watch list?

00:41:12.000 If he didn't get on the watch list,

00:41:13.880 if he wasn't someone

00:41:15.040 that they were surveilling,

00:41:16.460 who is?

00:41:17.980 Who is more dangerous

00:41:19.260 or more outspoken

00:41:20.280 than this guy

00:41:21.060 that he didn't make

00:41:22.100 the priority list?

00:41:23.040 I'm not saying that

00:41:24.020 as a source of criticism,

00:41:25.060 but it's an honest question

00:41:26.520 that they'll be asking

00:41:27.180 within the agencies

00:41:28.020 in the UK,

00:41:30.060 the American intelligence agencies

00:41:31.720 and the other groups.

00:41:33.240 The Italians,

00:41:34.360 it's funny,

00:41:34.900 the Italian security agencies

00:41:36.740 notified that the guy

00:41:38.640 from Italy,

00:41:39.280 Yusuf Zagba,

00:41:41.340 he was 22 years old.

00:41:43.320 He was trying to get

00:41:44.140 into Istanbul.

00:41:45.100 He was stopped there.

00:41:46.200 They thought he was trying

00:41:46.860 to sneak into Syria.

00:41:48.080 They notified everybody

00:41:49.180 about him

00:41:50.000 because of what he was

00:41:51.160 trying to do.

00:41:52.320 So it is,

00:41:53.680 this is a different kind

00:41:55.120 of war we're fighting now.

00:41:56.600 This isn't uniformed soldiers

00:41:58.100 attacking uniformed soldiers

00:41:59.540 where both sides

00:42:00.760 protect civilians

00:42:01.920 as much as they can.

00:42:03.340 Hospitals are off limits.

00:42:04.980 None of that applies.

00:42:06.580 These are people

00:42:07.180 that aren't in a uniform.

00:42:08.600 They are fighting for a cause

00:42:09.960 that they don't care

00:42:11.220 if they live or die.

00:42:12.280 They just want to kill

00:42:13.140 as many of us

00:42:13.860 as they possibly can.

00:42:15.620 And it may not be

00:42:17.380 a holy war to us.

00:42:18.320 No, maybe,

00:42:18.860 I guess it shouldn't be,

00:42:19.880 but it is to them.

00:42:21.480 And they have taken

00:42:23.020 their faith,

00:42:24.280 these Islamists

00:42:25.120 have taken

00:42:25.720 the book

00:42:27.740 that Muslims worship

00:42:29.300 from all over the world

00:42:30.460 and have turned it around

00:42:32.140 and turned it into something

00:42:33.580 that mandates

00:42:34.960 that they murder everyone.

00:42:36.840 And I think the Muslim world

00:42:38.260 needs to stand up.

00:42:39.100 We know that the Saudis

00:42:39.980 and the other

00:42:40.320 Middle Eastern nations

00:42:41.080 are standing up

00:42:42.080 against Qatar

00:42:42.700 and some of the things

00:42:43.380 that they've done

00:42:43.880 and the finances.

00:42:45.280 We will see now

00:42:46.320 if the Muslim world

00:42:47.380 will stand up and say

00:42:48.540 during the month of Ramadan,

00:42:50.580 these Islamists

00:42:51.420 have killed

00:42:52.060 over 150 people.

00:42:54.380 Now they're saying

00:42:55.200 that the death toll

00:42:56.180 just in the Kabul

00:42:58.080 car bombing

00:42:59.000 a few days ago

00:43:00.060 was over 150 now.

00:43:02.740 So if there's over

00:43:03.340 150 dead there,

00:43:04.980 then you add in

00:43:05.800 the members

00:43:06.880 of society

00:43:07.920 in Iraq

00:43:08.660 and Baghdad

00:43:09.420 that were blown up

00:43:11.180 in that car bomb

00:43:12.180 outside of an ice cream shop.

00:43:14.880 Then you put into,

00:43:16.020 take into account

00:43:17.420 the people

00:43:18.060 on the London Bridge.

00:43:19.300 There's close to 200 people

00:43:20.920 that have been killed.

00:43:22.040 How many of them

00:43:22.720 were Muslim?

00:43:23.820 How many of them

00:43:24.720 were Muslim members

00:43:26.720 of that community?

00:43:27.780 And yet you have

00:43:30.240 the Islamists

00:43:31.040 who believe

00:43:31.660 that they're doing

00:43:32.280 the right thing.

00:43:33.380 It is kind of a

00:43:34.680 mind-boggling thing

00:43:35.700 to think about.

00:43:37.300 We're going to talk

00:43:39.100 about the White House

00:43:40.420 leaker.

00:43:40.800 Her name is Reality Winner.

00:43:42.460 So we're going to do that

00:43:43.300 here in the first part

00:43:44.080 of the hour.

00:43:44.780 Who is she?

00:43:45.620 What do you need to know?

00:43:46.800 Some of the tweets

00:43:47.580 that she has sent out.

00:43:49.080 I don't know how she has

00:43:50.120 a top secret clearance

00:43:51.220 and I don't know

00:43:51.860 how those work.

00:43:53.780 She is espousing

00:43:54.940 such radical beliefs

00:43:56.900 and ideas.

00:43:58.180 If the Twitter account

00:43:59.680 attributed to her

00:44:00.840 is the same person,

00:44:03.540 I don't know how

00:44:04.260 she maintains

00:44:04.960 that level of clearance

00:44:06.280 because of some

00:44:08.920 of the radical ideas

00:44:09.960 that she espoused.

00:44:11.080 Not saying she should

00:44:11.820 be thrown in jail,

00:44:12.740 but how is it that

00:44:13.500 she's able to maintain

00:44:14.440 a high-level

00:44:15.200 security clearance?

00:44:16.240 We're also planning

00:44:17.040 to talk to Jay Dobbins

00:44:18.160 and I mentioned this

00:44:19.480 in the first hour.

00:44:20.180 We're trying to get Jay

00:44:20.780 set up for this hour.

00:44:21.760 If it doesn't work,

00:44:22.700 I'm going to try to get him

00:44:23.460 in in the third hour

00:44:24.160 of the show

00:44:24.600 because he's got

00:44:25.920 a busy schedule.

00:44:26.560 We're trying to get him

00:44:27.240 in here.

00:44:28.740 Jason Chaffetz

00:44:29.500 is going to have

00:44:30.300 a hearing

00:44:30.900 into the death

00:44:31.860 of Border Patrol agent

00:44:32.840 Brian Terry.

00:44:33.660 They are still looking

00:44:34.340 into Fast and Furious

00:44:35.520 and they are trying

00:44:36.800 to uncover as much

00:44:37.720 as they can

00:44:38.200 about the federal

00:44:38.740 government's

00:44:39.300 involvement.

00:44:41.120 Jay Dobbins

00:44:41.800 was an ATF agent

00:44:42.920 long before Fast and Furious.

00:44:45.160 The first federal agent

00:44:46.840 to ever infiltrate

00:44:47.840 the Hells Angels

00:44:48.520 became a full-patch

00:44:49.560 member of the Hells Angels.

00:44:50.800 His book,

00:44:51.340 his first book

00:44:51.900 was called

00:44:52.360 No Angel

00:44:52.960 and his phenomenal read

00:44:54.700 of how he was able

00:44:55.600 to pull this off

00:44:56.760 and how his life

00:44:57.880 was at stake

00:44:58.480 so many times.

00:44:59.700 The fallout

00:45:00.360 from all of that

00:45:01.160 was after he was outed

00:45:02.420 as the infiltrator,

00:45:03.680 they put a bounty

00:45:04.640 on his head.

00:45:05.640 He had his house

00:45:06.200 burned to the ground

00:45:07.080 but then

00:45:08.040 the government

00:45:10.640 turned their back

00:45:11.700 on Jay Dobbins

00:45:12.580 and so now

00:45:13.720 Jay Dobbins

00:45:14.360 has written

00:45:16.720 another book

00:45:17.360 called Catching Hell.

00:45:18.700 This has a lot more

00:45:19.660 to do with his experience

00:45:21.260 with our own government

00:45:22.500 and the people

00:45:23.080 he used to work for

00:45:24.160 in light of this.

00:45:25.620 Well, the Fast and Furious

00:45:26.480 connection is

00:45:27.220 that it was after

00:45:28.280 Fast and Furious

00:45:29.280 broke

00:45:30.020 and the same leadership

00:45:32.360 the same

00:45:34.520 in the Phoenix region

00:45:36.100 of the ATF

00:45:38.160 the same leaders

00:45:39.320 in that state

00:45:40.200 that authorized

00:45:41.300 and bungled

00:45:42.400 Fast and Furious

00:45:43.300 and then tried

00:45:43.820 to lie about it

00:45:44.760 definitely cover it up

00:45:46.160 are the same leaders

00:45:47.860 that were involved

00:45:48.880 with the operation

00:45:49.920 of Jay Dobbins

00:45:50.740 and with him

00:45:52.100 then being ostracized

00:45:53.300 by the agency.

00:45:54.180 By the way,

00:45:54.840 a federal judge

00:45:55.580 completely exonerating

00:45:56.940 Jay Dobbins

00:45:57.560 and excoriating

00:45:58.740 the ATF

00:45:59.420 and the federal government

00:46:00.400 they're handling

00:46:00.880 in the investigation

00:46:01.640 into the burning down

00:46:02.440 of his house

00:46:02.840 and others.

00:46:03.560 So I'm trying to set it up

00:46:04.500 for the second half

00:46:05.420 of the hour

00:46:05.880 to have Jay Dobbins

00:46:06.900 in here with us.

00:46:07.920 We'll talk about

00:46:08.560 the White House leaker.

00:46:10.360 We'll get Jay Dobbins

00:46:11.400 on the show as well.

00:46:12.200 There's a lot more coming up.

00:46:13.520 Thanks for the social media outreach.

00:46:15.060 Some of the fun tweets

00:46:16.160 you guys are sending in

00:46:17.040 are great.

00:46:17.440 We'll talk about

00:46:17.940 some of those

00:46:18.400 in a few moments.

00:46:19.320 I am at Broomhead Show

00:46:20.340 on Twitter, by the way.

00:46:21.540 And I will be back here

00:46:23.060 in a few moments.

00:46:24.040 It's the Glenn Beck Program.

00:46:25.040 I'm Mike Broomhead.

00:46:25.900 Stick around.

00:46:28.340 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:46:31.940 Mercury.

00:46:35.440 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:46:39.040 Hey, thanks for being here.

00:46:40.800 Mike Broomhead in again

00:46:41.800 for Glenn.

00:46:42.260 Thanks for the social media outreach.

00:46:44.160 We do have somebody

00:46:45.060 that wants to debate

00:46:45.880 the gun idea

00:46:48.540 of controlling gun control.

00:46:50.280 We're going to get to that.

00:46:50.860 I think we're going to try

00:46:51.380 to get to that in this hour.

00:46:52.480 I would like,

00:46:52.760 if that caller can hold on,

00:46:53.800 I will.

00:46:54.180 I want to talk about

00:46:54.720 this NSA leaker first.

00:46:56.220 I want to talk about

00:46:56.880 the identity of the woman

00:46:58.260 who has now been charged

00:46:59.400 with being the NSA leaker.

00:47:01.760 Her name is Lee.

00:47:03.760 I'm sorry.

00:47:04.580 Her name is Reality Lee Winner.

00:47:08.520 Reality Winner.

00:47:09.240 Now, that has to be made up, right?

00:47:11.560 She goes by, apparently,

00:47:12.980 Sarah Winners on Twitter.

00:47:16.220 If it's the same girl,

00:47:17.280 it looks to be the same girl.

00:47:19.000 And some of the things

00:47:19.800 that she has tweeted out,

00:47:20.900 just kind of give you an idea

00:47:21.840 before we get into

00:47:22.560 what she has leaked,

00:47:23.780 because the documents

00:47:24.700 themselves are very important.

00:47:26.220 But she's got a top-secret clearance.

00:47:27.960 She works for a company

00:47:28.860 called the Pluribus

00:47:31.500 International Corporation

00:47:32.620 in Georgia.

00:47:33.140 One of the tweets

00:47:38.400 that was out

00:47:38.860 from the Iranians,

00:47:40.180 there was a tweet,

00:47:41.360 we will never use our weapons

00:47:42.580 against anyone

00:47:43.240 except in self-defense.

00:47:44.500 Let us see if any of those

00:47:45.800 who complain

00:47:46.720 can make the same statement.

00:47:48.460 That was an Iranian statement

00:47:49.680 pointed at the Americans

00:47:51.440 when everybody was complaining

00:47:52.580 about the Iranians

00:47:53.500 and the deal we made with them.

00:47:56.500 To this,

00:47:58.580 she replied to that tweet

00:48:00.260 on February 7th,

00:48:01.140 there are many Americans

00:48:02.980 protesting U.S. government

00:48:04.160 aggressions toward Iran.

00:48:05.520 If our tangerine-in-chief

00:48:07.360 declares war,

00:48:08.780 we stand with you.

00:48:10.700 This is a woman

00:48:11.660 that's got top-secret clearance

00:48:13.460 at the White House.

00:48:17.860 I'm just,

00:48:18.600 I mean,

00:48:18.860 I am dumbfounded

00:48:19.980 that if she,

00:48:21.680 if this is the same person,

00:48:22.900 it looks to be the same account,

00:48:24.280 this is the one attributed to her.

00:48:25.760 By the way,

00:48:26.360 WikiLeaks is trying to,

00:48:29.060 they got a reward posted

00:48:30.140 for information out

00:48:31.220 about her as well.

00:48:33.140 But some of the things

00:48:34.040 that she has said and done,

00:48:35.940 25-year-old

00:48:36.980 stole top-secret documents.

00:48:38.760 Now these are the documents

00:48:39.720 in NSA,

00:48:40.800 they have certified

00:48:42.060 that these were

00:48:43.840 classified documents.

00:48:45.660 And it was the leaks

00:48:47.500 that the Russian government

00:48:49.020 had tried to hack

00:48:51.940 into election systems.

00:48:53.920 That they had sent out

00:48:54.900 phishing into some,

00:48:56.080 they had tried to get into others,

00:48:57.360 they weren't able to,

00:48:58.580 they weren't successful,

00:48:59.400 there's no evidence

00:49:00.000 that any votes were changed

00:49:01.160 or anything like that happened.

00:49:02.620 But this was evidence

00:49:03.880 that the NSA had

00:49:05.240 that they were trying,

00:49:07.300 which is nothing new.

00:49:08.520 They've been trying this

00:49:09.580 for decades.

00:49:11.000 They've not,

00:49:11.540 the cyber part of it,

00:49:12.520 but they have been messing

00:49:13.200 with our elections

00:49:13.960 for years.

00:49:15.660 And so,

00:49:16.880 her leaking this document,

00:49:19.260 and the reason why it matters,

00:49:21.020 and I talked about this

00:49:22.040 in the first hour as well,

00:49:23.340 is those documents

00:49:24.660 when they are listed

00:49:26.560 as classified

00:49:27.300 cannot leave that room

00:49:28.980 that they are in.

00:49:30.560 And many times

00:49:31.160 it's called the SCIF.

00:49:32.020 That room is where

00:49:32.820 they keep top secret documents.

00:49:35.080 And if you have a clearance

00:49:36.140 and there's information

00:49:37.340 on a case you're working

00:49:38.460 or something that you're doing

00:49:39.760 where there is top secret documents

00:49:41.700 that you need to read,

00:49:43.000 you will be notified

00:49:43.900 by an email

00:49:44.720 that there are documents

00:49:46.000 in the SCIF

00:49:46.720 for you to read.

00:49:48.260 You go into that room

00:49:49.280 without any recording devices.

00:49:51.000 You can't take pictures

00:49:51.860 of the documents

00:49:52.460 on your phone.

00:49:53.340 You can't write

00:49:54.140 and record things

00:49:54.980 that are there.

00:49:55.760 You go in,

00:49:56.700 you read your documents,

00:49:58.120 you commit to memory

00:49:59.180 what you need to know

00:49:59.980 from the documents,

00:50:00.960 you leave the documents

00:50:01.960 in that room,

00:50:02.760 and you walk away.

00:50:04.180 If you take the documents

00:50:05.400 out of that room,

00:50:06.500 just leaving that room

00:50:07.700 with those documents

00:50:08.700 is a violation of the law.

00:50:11.080 You certainly couldn't

00:50:11.940 put them on someone's desk

00:50:13.020 down the hall

00:50:13.680 or give them to somebody else

00:50:15.300 that's not,

00:50:15.740 even if they have a clearance,

00:50:17.140 you don't give them

00:50:17.980 to someone that's not working

00:50:19.220 on that particular case

00:50:20.320 or doesn't need

00:50:21.580 to know any of that information.

00:50:23.920 That's what she did

00:50:25.340 or what she's being charged with

00:50:27.200 and her motives.

00:50:28.840 And the reason I'm talking

00:50:29.540 about her motives

00:50:30.360 are because she's

00:50:31.700 a Bernie Sanders supporter.

00:50:33.360 She was one of the people

00:50:34.720 that's part of the resistance

00:50:35.880 of Donald Trump.

00:50:37.220 She's made different comments

00:50:38.720 about the president

00:50:39.760 and her disdain for him.

00:50:41.880 And motive is important here

00:50:43.680 because they're going to try

00:50:45.160 to make her out

00:50:45.860 to be Snowden.

00:50:47.360 They're going to try

00:50:48.060 to make her out

00:50:48.640 to be someone

00:50:49.200 that was trying to do

00:50:50.080 what was best for the country.

00:50:51.200 What she is trying to do

00:50:53.060 is subvert the president

00:50:54.500 of the United States.

00:50:57.140 And it would be no different

00:50:58.540 if she had done

00:50:59.060 the same thing directly

00:51:00.240 to Barack Obama

00:51:01.460 or Bill Clinton.

00:51:02.800 The leaks were a direct attack

00:51:04.680 at the presidency itself.

00:51:07.600 So will she be convicted

00:51:08.820 of that?

00:51:09.300 We'll see.

00:51:10.460 But I ask this question

00:51:11.700 and it bears asking again.

00:51:13.400 What about Hillary?

00:51:15.080 How is it any different?

00:51:16.980 Just because Hillary

00:51:17.840 didn't take physical pieces

00:51:19.380 of paper like this

00:51:20.800 and walk them out

00:51:21.820 that she's any less guilty

00:51:23.560 of the same crime?

00:51:25.420 Hillary Clinton

00:51:26.040 digitally did the exact

00:51:27.480 same thing.

00:51:28.220 She removed documents

00:51:29.500 that were classified

00:51:30.300 or that she should have known

00:51:31.380 they were classified

00:51:32.080 or that she should have classified.

00:51:34.040 Don't ever lose sight of that.

00:51:35.800 Hillary Clinton

00:51:36.380 cannot hide behind the fact

00:51:37.800 that some of those documents

00:51:38.780 were not listed as classified

00:51:40.100 when they were sent to her

00:51:41.340 because she's the classifier.

00:51:43.440 It's her job

00:51:44.820 to tell everybody else

00:51:46.200 that this stuff is classified.

00:51:49.060 And what she did digitally

00:51:50.580 was take documents

00:51:52.240 of national security interest

00:51:54.420 and email them to people

00:51:56.940 A, that may not have needed

00:51:59.280 to know it

00:51:59.800 B, for sure

00:52:01.520 on an unsecure server

00:52:03.080 that was easily hacked

00:52:04.360 by foreign nationals.

00:52:05.640 She used the BlackBerry

00:52:06.720 in China

00:52:07.700 and in Russia

00:52:08.920 and on trips that she was

00:52:10.420 they were told her

00:52:11.320 don't use those devices

00:52:12.940 they're so easy to hack

00:52:14.440 you can't get on

00:52:15.380 a Wi-Fi signal there

00:52:16.600 they're going to hack

00:52:17.520 into your system

00:52:18.280 they're going to be able

00:52:19.040 to read what you're doing

00:52:20.200 and she did that

00:52:22.060 on multiple occasions.

00:52:24.740 So how is it

00:52:25.820 and this girl

00:52:26.580 should be arrested

00:52:27.400 she should be made

00:52:28.500 an example of

00:52:29.180 and she should be punished

00:52:30.180 and you know

00:52:30.800 who's going to be behind that

00:52:31.740 100%

00:52:32.960 the intelligence community

00:52:34.560 and the reason why

00:52:35.500 they're going to be

00:52:36.280 so much behind it

00:52:37.200 is because people

00:52:38.140 in that world

00:52:38.740 are apolitical

00:52:39.660 they have their own opinions

00:52:40.560 but they don't do things

00:52:42.100 for political reasons

00:52:43.000 if you work for the White House

00:52:44.640 your job with national security

00:52:46.500 is to provide the White House

00:52:48.060 or provide the Department of Defense

00:52:49.420 or to provide the Joint Chiefs

00:52:50.780 or whoever you're reporting to

00:52:51.960 information

00:52:52.860 that can be critical

00:52:54.200 to decisions they have to make

00:52:55.560 about national security

00:52:56.740 that's your job

00:52:58.300 and they take that job

00:52:59.740 very seriously

00:53:00.780 surveilling the people

00:53:02.160 or monitoring the phone calls

00:53:03.920 or doing what's necessary

00:53:05.320 gathering intelligence data

00:53:07.180 putting it all together

00:53:08.460 and turning it over

00:53:09.580 to the proper agencies

00:53:10.740 is what they are charged with

00:53:12.280 and largely

00:53:13.360 99% of the time

00:53:14.960 they do a fantastic job

00:53:16.780 of helping the people

00:53:18.060 on the ground

00:53:18.840 keep us safe

00:53:20.080 but when you have someone

00:53:22.600 who takes information

00:53:23.780 and gives it away

00:53:25.620 for political reasons

00:53:26.700 what's the punishment?

00:53:29.580 I mean

00:53:29.760 how big could this possibly be?

00:53:32.500 So keep your eye

00:53:33.480 on reality winner

00:53:35.280 and it's

00:53:36.660 the name is mind-boggling

00:53:38.280 but the tweets

00:53:39.060 are even more so

00:53:40.380 some of the other things

00:53:42.660 that she's done

00:53:43.180 reality winner

00:53:43.820 arrested alleged crimes

00:53:44.940 according to somebody

00:53:45.740 on here

00:53:46.620 she was a former

00:53:49.260 U.S. Air Force linguist

00:53:50.460 who speaks

00:53:51.080 different language

00:53:52.760 Pashto, Farsi

00:53:53.820 and Dari

00:53:54.800 according to

00:53:56.320 what one person

00:53:57.680 on Twitter reported

00:53:58.360 about her mother

00:53:58.900 and it says

00:54:02.880 there's just so many

00:54:03.980 of the tweets

00:54:04.560 that she has put out

00:54:05.500 that seem to be

00:54:07.000 anti-Donald Trump

00:54:09.300 why is it that she

00:54:11.600 I don't understand

00:54:12.220 how she keeps

00:54:12.960 that job

00:54:13.980 or that clearance

00:54:14.820 I'm sure the investigation

00:54:16.580 into this

00:54:17.260 and maybe that's

00:54:17.840 where it started

00:54:18.400 was when they saw

00:54:19.080 somebody that seemed

00:54:20.200 to be so much

00:54:20.920 of an activist

00:54:21.460 against President Trump

00:54:22.860 that maybe that's

00:54:23.840 what clued them in

00:54:24.980 to doing more

00:54:26.480 I don't know

00:54:27.140 what we're going to do

00:54:29.040 I think what we're going to do

00:54:29.940 coming up here

00:54:30.480 in a few moments

00:54:30.960 I put the call out

00:54:31.980 for anybody

00:54:33.460 that wanted to talk

00:54:35.420 with me about

00:54:35.920 why we should

00:54:36.520 prevent guns

00:54:37.260 and how preventing

00:54:38.300 or controlling guns

00:54:40.000 getting rid of them

00:54:40.760 here in our country

00:54:41.660 would make us safer

00:54:43.060 so I put the call out

00:54:44.420 about an hour ago

00:54:45.180 and there's one person

00:54:46.240 that wants to do it

00:54:47.460 so we're going to try

00:54:48.360 to do that

00:54:48.880 in the next part

00:54:50.160 of the show

00:54:50.600 we'll see

00:54:51.680 how that goes over

00:54:52.660 is this going to be

00:54:53.320 a fun conversation

00:54:54.680 a respectful conversation

00:54:55.820 or is this going to be

00:54:56.920 a train wreck

00:54:57.500 your guess is as good

00:54:58.800 as mine

00:54:59.200 but I'm looking forward

00:55:00.140 to seeing how it is

00:55:00.900 we'll do that

00:55:01.320 coming up here

00:55:01.760 pretty quick

00:55:02.200 my name is Mike Broomhead

00:55:03.380 in for Glenn Beck

00:55:04.380 I'll be back

00:55:05.640 and thanks for being here

00:55:25.880 this morning

00:55:26.360 so earlier

00:55:27.140 we were talking about

00:55:28.220 the shooting in Orlando

00:55:29.160 and how a disgruntled

00:55:31.240 employee murdered

00:55:32.020 five people

00:55:32.660 and then took his own life

00:55:33.720 and immediately

00:55:35.040 the tweet started going out

00:55:36.340 about gun control

00:55:37.400 and how we need to have

00:55:38.220 the gun control debate

00:55:39.300 so I stated my case

00:55:41.100 I put it out there

00:55:41.860 to anybody who would

00:55:42.860 want to debate

00:55:43.740 about gun control

00:55:44.520 have a reasonable debate

00:55:45.560 on how limiting

00:55:46.640 my access to firearms

00:55:47.920 would make us safer

00:55:48.880 and we got one response

00:55:50.700 that we wanted to try to use

00:55:52.020 and he's from Florida

00:55:53.400 his name is Scott

00:55:54.620 so Scott

00:55:55.660 first of all

00:55:56.100 welcome to the program

00:55:56.980 hello

00:55:58.840 hello Scott

00:56:00.240 you're on the air

00:56:00.700 can you hear me

00:56:01.260 yes I can hear you

00:56:03.040 okay first of all

00:56:03.880 thanks for calling in

00:56:04.740 you've heard me state

00:56:05.540 my case about guns

00:56:06.680 and you say you

00:56:07.420 you believe we'd be safer

00:56:08.960 if we didn't have guns

00:56:10.420 if nobody had guns

00:56:13.180 nobody'd get shot

00:56:14.160 that's my point

00:56:14.780 okay fair enough

00:56:15.900 if nobody had guns

00:56:16.800 nobody'd get shot

00:56:17.600 you're right

00:56:18.000 but that's an impossibility

00:56:19.240 so what do we do

00:56:20.280 with the way it is

00:56:21.320 it's impossible

00:56:23.640 that nobody has guns

00:56:24.960 but you could

00:56:25.400 you could make it

00:56:26.060 to where almost nobody

00:56:27.160 would where it would

00:56:27.840 be drastically

00:56:28.480 I work in the trucking

00:56:30.640 industry

00:56:30.980 I have a small

00:56:31.640 trucking company

00:56:32.340 I used to work

00:56:33.020 in construction

00:56:33.620 both very highly regulated

00:56:35.760 both have many

00:56:36.660 ridiculous laws

00:56:37.780 I agree

00:56:38.340 they force people

00:56:39.080 they force people

00:56:40.560 to comply

00:56:41.180 by making the consequences

00:56:42.880 so terrible

00:56:43.620 that if you don't comply

00:56:45.360 you'll get put out of business

00:56:46.420 and so if you would

00:56:47.340 make the consequences

00:56:48.160 bad enough

00:56:48.880 people would not take that

00:56:50.720 I pay my taxes

00:56:51.580 for one simple reason

00:56:52.620 because I'm scared

00:56:53.380 of the IRS

00:56:53.960 and you know

00:56:55.980 you could use the same concept

00:56:57.480 with guns

00:56:58.020 I would think

00:56:58.620 but why would you

00:56:59.640 that's my question

00:57:00.480 why do you think

00:57:01.220 we would be safer

00:57:01.980 limiting access

00:57:02.940 to firearms

00:57:03.720 we wouldn't be safer

00:57:06.300 limiting your access

00:57:07.320 to firearms

00:57:07.980 but we would be safer

00:57:09.060 if criminals

00:57:10.060 could not get their hands

00:57:11.120 on firearms

00:57:11.740 I agree with that

00:57:12.620 people would still

00:57:14.140 get murdered

00:57:14.640 people would still

00:57:15.360 murder other people

00:57:16.240 but the majority

00:57:17.980 of our murders

00:57:18.660 are committed by guns

00:57:19.960 and so if you could

00:57:21.440 make so that

00:57:22.060 there's 95% less guns

00:57:24.420 in the United States

00:57:25.340 there would be much less

00:57:27.060 people getting murdered

00:57:28.620 by guns

00:57:29.180 so limiting my access

00:57:31.380 to guns

00:57:32.020 doesn't make us

00:57:32.900 any less safe

00:57:33.520 so we agree on that

00:57:34.660 but how do you limit

00:57:36.160 the access to firearms

00:57:37.620 by criminals

00:57:39.220 there are already

00:57:39.900 very severe

00:57:40.820 strict laws

00:57:41.600 against gun possession

00:57:42.740 by convicted felons

00:57:44.380 they're not allowed

00:57:44.960 to possess firearms

00:57:45.880 if they're on parole

00:57:46.980 they go back to prison

00:57:48.080 immediately

00:57:48.520 if they have a gun

00:57:49.380 in their possession

00:57:50.280 so you explain to me

00:57:51.820 how you make more laws

00:57:53.140 that criminals

00:57:53.640 don't obey anyway

00:57:54.620 how do you make more laws

00:57:56.460 that are going to

00:57:57.060 affect a criminal

00:57:57.900 when it's not affecting

00:57:59.180 them the way it is now

00:58:00.140 you would have to make

00:58:02.100 guns inaccessible

00:58:03.180 to everybody

00:58:03.820 they would have to be

00:58:05.180 just completely banned

00:58:06.200 altogether

00:58:06.880 law abiding

00:58:07.960 or not law abiding

00:58:08.920 citizens

00:58:09.460 neither one would be

00:58:10.460 allowed to have

00:58:10.940 any guns at all

00:58:11.840 alright so then

00:58:12.620 and let me be

00:58:13.780 devil's advocate

00:58:14.440 with you Scott

00:58:15.000 I'm trying to be fair

00:58:15.920 look what happened

00:58:17.220 with the Charlie Hebdo

00:58:18.880 shooting in Europe

00:58:21.440 now the police

00:58:22.700 weren't really armed there

00:58:23.620 there's only segments

00:58:24.480 of the police department

00:58:25.280 that are armed

00:58:25.820 and yet the criminals were

00:58:27.100 and they murdered

00:58:28.020 police officers

00:58:28.840 in the streets

00:58:29.400 they gunned people down

00:58:30.600 what happened

00:58:31.400 just what happened

00:58:32.400 in this

00:58:32.980 the London Bridge attack

00:58:34.580 where these guys

00:58:35.160 used a vehicle

00:58:35.760 not guns

00:58:36.380 but used a vehicle

00:58:37.440 to run people down

00:58:38.580 and then they began

00:58:39.540 to indiscriminately

00:58:40.380 stab people in the streets

00:58:41.860 there was no one

00:58:43.140 armed around

00:58:44.200 it took eight minutes

00:58:45.440 before these guys

00:58:46.360 were gunned down

00:58:47.040 by police with firearms

00:58:48.280 so you don't think

00:58:49.740 that an armed citizen

00:58:50.880 could have helped

00:58:51.920 in that situation

00:58:52.860 oh yeah absolutely

00:58:55.340 so then why would

00:58:56.360 I'm saying

00:58:56.700 why is it a good idea

00:58:58.200 to take guns away

00:58:59.000 from everyone

00:58:59.540 well now

00:59:00.800 I never said

00:59:01.560 it's a good idea

00:59:02.320 you said you wanted

00:59:03.100 to have the debate

00:59:03.800 that's my point

00:59:04.600 is you can't

00:59:05.360 you can do it

00:59:06.200 I believe you could make

00:59:07.760 so that there would be

00:59:08.420 very few murders

00:59:09.180 committed by guns

00:59:10.060 I'm not saying

00:59:11.380 it's ideal

00:59:11.980 I'm not saying

00:59:12.780 it would be

00:59:13.100 the right thing to do

00:59:13.820 I'm saying

00:59:14.200 you can make

00:59:14.640 the argument

00:59:15.140 that by eliminating

00:59:16.460 access to guns

00:59:17.440 by criminals

00:59:18.280 and legal citizens

00:59:19.440 alike

00:59:19.840 and keeping

00:59:20.860 the police force

00:59:21.540 armed

00:59:21.800 I would not be

00:59:22.740 for taking guns

00:59:23.360 away from police

00:59:24.000 but you could make

00:59:25.080 access so limited

00:59:26.100 that people could not

00:59:27.260 have it

00:59:27.620 make the consequences

00:59:28.660 dire enough

00:59:29.320 that they'd not

00:59:30.180 be willing to take

00:59:30.800 the chance

00:59:31.200 and if they would

00:59:31.680 get caught

00:59:32.180 in my business

00:59:33.280 I get pulled over

00:59:34.040 by a DOT officer

00:59:35.020 for absolutely no reason

00:59:36.200 and he can keep me

00:59:37.220 there all day

00:59:37.780 inspecting my truck

00:59:38.720 and you could do

00:59:40.160 the same thing

00:59:40.720 with anybody else

00:59:41.880 and inspect them

00:59:42.520 if you find guns

00:59:43.320 they go to prison

00:59:44.300 or whatever the

00:59:44.900 consequence would be

00:59:45.760 and make it dire

00:59:46.640 enough that people

00:59:47.400 would not be willing

00:59:48.020 to take the chance

00:59:48.580 to own a gun

00:59:49.100 alright Scott

00:59:49.840 listen I appreciate

00:59:50.980 the call

00:59:51.460 I appreciate you

00:59:52.260 wanting to step in

00:59:53.340 with this part

00:59:54.220 of the debate

00:59:54.600 so thanks for the call

00:59:55.400 Scott

00:59:55.680 a couple of things

00:59:57.160 that I will say

00:59:58.600 in rebuttal

00:59:59.300 of this is

01:00:00.200 the idea of an

01:00:02.600 armed government

01:00:03.540 against an unarmed

01:00:04.640 citizenry

01:00:05.300 is what we fled from

01:00:06.500 if you remember

01:00:07.180 the reason for the

01:00:08.220 second amendment

01:00:08.780 had nothing to do

01:00:09.760 really with self

01:00:10.640 protection in the

01:00:11.820 streets of America

01:00:12.620 against criminals

01:00:13.400 I'm not calling for

01:00:15.140 taking up arms

01:00:15.760 against the government

01:00:16.440 that's not what I'm

01:00:17.260 saying whatsoever

01:00:18.060 but we realize

01:00:19.260 that the right to

01:00:19.880 keep and bear arms

01:00:20.740 at its foundation

01:00:22.200 was so that the

01:00:23.620 citizens were armed

01:00:24.880 and that there was

01:00:26.120 not an unarmed

01:00:27.000 sitting duck

01:00:27.640 citizenry

01:00:28.280 number one

01:00:29.040 I have

01:00:30.200 there is not a

01:00:30.820 person that I

01:00:31.420 know of

01:00:31.880 that is more

01:00:32.700 active and more

01:00:33.640 respectful of law

01:00:34.700 enforcement

01:00:35.100 this is not a

01:00:35.940 knock against law

01:00:36.820 enforcement

01:00:37.260 but they are a

01:00:38.260 government agency

01:00:39.340 and that

01:00:40.620 and most of the

01:00:41.300 people I know

01:00:41.720 interestingly enough

01:00:42.440 Scott if you're

01:00:42.960 still listening

01:00:43.480 the people that I

01:00:44.940 know in law

01:00:45.920 enforcement that I've

01:00:46.720 become very close

01:00:47.440 friends with including

01:00:48.260 family members

01:00:49.400 I have a brother

01:00:49.940 that's a cop

01:00:50.640 and I don't want to

01:00:51.360 speak for him

01:00:51.940 but for

01:00:52.900 for other police

01:00:53.980 officers that I

01:00:54.760 know they are not

01:00:56.220 concerned about a

01:00:57.520 citizen that's armed

01:00:58.520 if you're a law

01:01:00.700 abiding citizen

01:01:01.400 they don't care

01:01:02.560 it's the criminals

01:01:04.220 they're concerned

01:01:04.880 with I understand

01:01:05.960 living in an

01:01:06.640 idealistic society

01:01:07.760 that if nobody had

01:01:08.880 guns nobody would

01:01:09.700 get shot that

01:01:10.720 doesn't mean we

01:01:11.460 wouldn't kill each

01:01:12.220 other historically

01:01:13.920 take a look at

01:01:14.520 wars read about the

01:01:16.000 wars that happened

01:01:16.720 before guns were

01:01:17.660 around and the

01:01:18.580 clever ways they had

01:01:19.620 of killing each

01:01:20.280 other we are now

01:01:22.180 are dealing with

01:01:22.940 terrorists who are

01:01:24.380 as hell bent on

01:01:25.360 killing us as they

01:01:26.580 ever have been

01:01:27.320 they realize using

01:01:28.940 guns a lot of times

01:01:30.120 access to them puts

01:01:31.260 them on a list so

01:01:32.440 what are they doing

01:01:33.160 something as

01:01:33.940 innocuous as getting

01:01:34.900 behind the wheel of

01:01:35.660 an automobile and

01:01:36.800 just running people

01:01:37.920 over in the streets

01:01:38.920 then they're using

01:01:40.900 blades they're using

01:01:42.400 knives and swords

01:01:44.580 to do as much

01:01:46.020 damage as they can

01:01:47.020 until they are gunned

01:01:48.120 down I'm not

01:01:50.320 and I hope Scott's

01:01:51.460 still listening I

01:01:52.140 never want to be a

01:01:53.080 hero I'm not

01:01:53.820 somebody that wants

01:01:54.460 to brandish a

01:01:55.100 firearm when I

01:01:56.080 carry a firearm

01:01:56.840 with me I don't

01:01:57.480 carry it on my hip

01:01:58.360 I'm not flashy

01:02:00.560 about it I'm not

01:02:01.320 any of those things

01:02:02.260 but I do believe I

01:02:04.020 don't only have the

01:02:04.920 right to self

01:02:06.080 protection I have a

01:02:07.380 responsibility to the

01:02:09.140 people I care about

01:02:10.140 to myself and the

01:02:11.180 people around me to

01:02:12.240 do that not to

01:02:13.960 mention that I

01:02:14.600 given two examples

01:02:15.740 yesterday of law

01:02:17.600 enforcement as you

01:02:18.380 said the citizens

01:02:19.380 shouldn't be armed

01:02:20.120 but the police

01:02:20.840 should be that

01:02:22.720 two police officers

01:02:23.880 one in Lee

01:02:25.200 County Florida and

01:02:26.480 the other in

01:02:27.020 Maricopa County

01:02:27.940 Arizona police

01:02:29.700 officers were in

01:02:30.640 dire situations

01:02:31.560 where their lives

01:02:32.320 were being taken

01:02:33.100 by a perpetrator

01:02:34.940 that got in the

01:02:35.940 upper hand on

01:02:36.640 them and it was

01:02:37.880 an armed citizen

01:02:38.820 in both cases that

01:02:40.440 gunned down the

01:02:41.300 perpetrator and

01:02:42.140 saved the lives of

01:02:43.340 the cops as many

01:02:44.940 times as we hear in

01:02:46.020 the media of people

01:02:46.980 doing horrible things

01:02:47.940 with guns there are

01:02:49.180 plenty of stories out

01:02:50.340 about men and women

01:02:51.300 who have protected

01:02:52.180 themselves who have

01:02:53.140 protected people around

01:02:54.140 them and have saved

01:02:55.160 the lives of innocent

01:02:55.940 people by being armed

01:02:57.300 I'm not saying we

01:02:58.640 should look for gun

01:02:59.280 fights in the street

01:03:00.000 it's just the opposite

01:03:01.160 we should try to stay

01:03:02.020 as far away from them

01:03:03.000 as we can but we

01:03:04.380 prevent them by

01:03:05.260 letting the criminals

01:03:06.100 know we are equally

01:03:07.500 armed you want to talk

01:03:08.440 about consequences

01:03:09.300 there's your

01:03:10.180 consequences I

01:03:11.120 guarantee you it's

01:03:12.620 not a good idea to

01:03:13.520 break into my house

01:03:14.460 and if you do

01:03:16.680 you're going to find

01:03:17.600 out the consequences

01:03:18.740 are not worth the

01:03:19.480 risk I don't have

01:03:20.160 that much stuff

01:03:20.860 certainly not worth

01:03:22.260 your life

01:03:22.760 that's not saying to

01:03:24.620 be a hero I'm saying

01:03:25.960 you're going to want

01:03:26.660 to break into my

01:03:27.200 neighbor's house who

01:03:28.260 thinks like Scott does

01:03:29.180 that we shouldn't have

01:03:29.720 guns

01:03:30.120 and so the the core of

01:03:34.980 this debate started

01:03:35.840 with the Orlando

01:03:36.440 killing and we can

01:03:37.880 take it from any of

01:03:39.020 these mass killings

01:03:39.980 that we know of

01:03:40.780 whether it was by the

01:03:41.900 mentally deranged or

01:03:43.020 somebody who was some

01:03:43.900 jealous boyfriend or

01:03:45.180 by this guy a

01:03:45.920 disgruntled employee

01:03:46.820 the core of all of

01:03:49.700 this is it's not as

01:03:51.040 much about the tool

01:03:51.880 they used because if

01:03:53.100 he didn't have access

01:03:53.840 to guns if this guy

01:03:55.040 hated these people this

01:03:56.080 much he'd blow the

01:03:57.080 building up we know

01:03:58.320 that the Boston

01:03:59.140 bombers used pressure

01:04:00.860 cookers to make bombs

01:04:02.820 to kill people at the

01:04:04.220 Boston Marathon

01:04:05.060 when people have evil

01:04:08.160 intent they will find

01:04:09.500 a way and you're not

01:04:11.300 going to stop the evil

01:04:12.720 people by taking a

01:04:14.000 tool away from them

01:04:15.000 that has nothing to

01:04:16.900 do with the

01:04:17.220 Constitution it's just

01:04:18.520 common sense I want a

01:04:21.240 reasonable solution if I

01:04:22.780 could find a way to stop

01:04:23.860 these things from

01:04:24.500 happening every one of

01:04:25.960 us would look into doing

01:04:27.160 it but gun control has

01:04:29.800 never worked it's never

01:04:31.360 going to work the

01:04:33.320 criminals that commit

01:04:34.420 these crimes don't care

01:04:35.600 about the murder laws why

01:04:36.760 do they care about the gun

01:04:37.620 laws and to say they

01:04:38.860 shouldn't have access to

01:04:39.800 guns well that's

01:04:40.440 impossible it's impossible

01:04:42.560 to say that we're going

01:04:44.380 to take everybody's gun

01:04:45.580 away not going to happen

01:04:47.040 so then the reality is

01:04:49.180 what do we do to ensure

01:04:50.460 safety as best we can

01:04:51.820 protect the rights of

01:04:53.060 people under the second

01:04:53.860 amendment and have a

01:04:55.180 peaceful society as best

01:04:56.720 we can and I think the

01:04:58.040 debate has to start with

01:04:59.400 the dangerously mentally

01:05:00.900 ill and what can be done

01:05:02.400 and what because

01:05:03.860 constitutionally there's

01:05:04.840 rights there for people

01:05:05.880 forcibly medicating

01:05:07.140 somebody forcibly

01:05:07.940 institutionalize somebody

01:05:09.300 against their will I

01:05:10.460 mean there's a lot of

01:05:11.460 arguments there but the

01:05:13.900 guns should not be I

01:05:14.920 think the guns are more

01:05:15.780 of a distraction than

01:05:17.340 they are anything else

01:05:18.680 in a moment I want to

01:05:20.620 finish up this hour

01:05:21.600 yesterday I criticized

01:05:23.260 education in America by

01:05:25.140 bringing up the point

01:05:25.940 that in California 75% of

01:05:28.680 the young black men in

01:05:29.620 schools cannot read at

01:05:31.580 grade level they are not

01:05:32.860 able to read and write

01:05:34.120 and one of my complaints

01:05:35.440 was we are not turning out

01:05:36.780 critical thinkers that we

01:05:38.180 are turning out machines

01:05:39.740 someone either was

01:05:41.720 listening or just by it

01:05:43.420 was serendipitous that I

01:05:44.620 have a story about the

01:05:46.200 colleges in America and

01:05:47.600 the lack of critical

01:05:48.580 thinking coming out of

01:05:49.500 universities so we'll talk

01:05:50.720 about that here in just a

01:05:51.660 few moments I'm Mike

01:05:52.420 Broomhead and this is the

01:05:53.860 Glenn Beck program

01:05:55.000 still hopeful to get my

01:06:12.480 friend Jay Dobbins on in the

01:06:14.000 next hour of the show we'll

01:06:15.020 get to that thanks to the

01:06:15.940 Twitter outreach at tanker

01:06:18.280 KC tweets out caller said the

01:06:19.780 majority of murders committed

01:06:20.980 by guns that's false guns

01:06:22.460 don't commit murders you're

01:06:23.720 right you know again it's a

01:06:25.380 semantical thing but you're

01:06:27.020 right it's not the gun and

01:06:27.900 that's my point to all of

01:06:28.880 this is that it's it's about

01:06:30.320 the evil in the hearts of

01:06:31.440 men so to speak it's our

01:06:33.120 ability to find new ways to

01:06:35.760 torture and kill each other

01:06:36.960 it's it is a human defect and

01:06:39.540 listen I am no stranger to

01:06:41.400 controversy especially when I'm

01:06:43.100 driving and and so I have no

01:06:45.340 problem with com with

01:06:46.620 confrontation but the idea of

01:06:48.740 wanting to pummel somebody to

01:06:49.980 death or the idea of wanting

01:06:51.900 to shoot another human being

01:06:53.480 over an argument has honestly

01:06:54.980 has never entered my mind I

01:06:57.560 fired firearms many times the

01:06:59.340 idea of of aiming that at a

01:07:01.680 person scares scares the hell

01:07:03.340 out of me I don't want to shoot

01:07:04.900 a human being but I certainly

01:07:07.560 don't want to be unarmed and

01:07:08.740 unable to protect myself I just

01:07:10.460 don't want that to happen so I

01:07:12.980 appreciate it and one of my

01:07:15.040 friends in Arizona Ryan

01:07:16.500 Spradling shout out to to

01:07:17.900 broomhead he says I'm crushing it

01:07:19.320 so thanks Ryan I'm glad you're

01:07:20.460 listening all the social media

01:07:22.020 outreach I appreciate it try to

01:07:23.120 answer as many things as I can

01:07:24.340 during the breaks I wanted to

01:07:26.480 talk about this today this data

01:07:28.680 test data many colleges fail to

01:07:30.960 improve critical thinking skills

01:07:32.480 the goal I would think of an

01:07:34.980 education is to become a

01:07:36.120 critical thinker the idea of

01:07:37.620 being able to read is a

01:07:39.200 liberating thing because now you

01:07:40.780 can gather information for

01:07:42.020 yourself you're not beholden to

01:07:43.840 somebody else which is one of the

01:07:45.520 reasons why I encourage people

01:07:46.900 don't just take my word for

01:07:48.040 things don't listen to me as

01:07:49.780 your only source if you saw the

01:07:51.760 sources that I go to every

01:07:53.380 single day for information many

01:07:55.520 of them on the same topic where I

01:07:57.140 know I'm going to get differing

01:07:58.220 opinions even if they may not

01:07:59.440 call it opinions different points

01:08:01.360 of view to try to get a well

01:08:02.880 rounded look at something or a

01:08:04.540 topic it's important to ask

01:08:06.320 questions of people that I

01:08:07.440 disagree with I have some very

01:08:08.960 close friends that are as

01:08:11.280 liberal as could possibly be and

01:08:13.700 and there I still respect them I

01:08:15.900 still love them we just don't

01:08:17.300 talk a lot about politics

01:08:18.340 because we end up fighting but I

01:08:20.200 love them and so when there is a

01:08:21.600 social issue topic or there's

01:08:23.060 something that happens I like to

01:08:24.960 hear their opinions because at

01:08:26.260 times hearing what they think is

01:08:28.120 the solution can be very helpful

01:08:30.060 even if it doesn't help me with my

01:08:32.100 end of it it's helpful me helpful

01:08:33.820 for me to form my solution to an

01:08:35.700 issue so this data that was

01:08:38.360 collected from this from this test

01:08:39.900 data freshmen and seniors about

01:08:41.780 200 colleges across the US take a

01:08:43.600 little-known test every year to

01:08:44.900 measure how much better they get at

01:08:47.060 learning to think the results are

01:08:49.180 discouraging more than half of the

01:08:51.180 schools at least one-third of

01:08:53.120 seniors were unable to make a

01:08:54.620 cohesive argument assess the quality

01:08:56.840 of evidence in a document or

01:08:58.580 interpret data in a table this

01:09:00.860 according to the Wall Street

01:09:01.680 Journal so imagine being given

01:09:03.820 something to read and not being

01:09:05.840 able to comprehend and then base

01:09:07.800 or create an argument on the

01:09:10.020 information you've been given

01:09:11.300 that's why we are cranking out

01:09:13.220 robots that's why the level of

01:09:15.140 discourses has really it's not

01:09:17.320 social media I mean social media is a

01:09:19.420 tool it's like we said we're not

01:09:20.440 going to blame the gun I'm not going

01:09:21.520 to blame Twitter I mean it's it's the

01:09:23.840 inability to have a rational

01:09:25.840 argument I would rather call you

01:09:28.080 stupid than have a conversation about

01:09:30.740 why I disagree with you and that's

01:09:34.920 what we have devolved into we've got

01:09:37.880 all the anecdotal evidence of the

01:09:39.320 liberal professor that had the kids in

01:09:41.700 San Diego's wipe the pro-life things

01:09:44.800 off the sidewalk and that's that's

01:09:47.120 kind of a symptom of what's going on

01:09:49.160 the reality of what's going on is

01:09:51.500 somebody that says I don't agree with

01:09:53.320 that but they're entitled to their

01:09:54.340 opinion I am as adamantly pro-life a

01:09:57.720 person is that there is but that

01:10:00.880 doesn't mean that I'm going to try to

01:10:02.400 silence pro-choice people that doesn't

01:10:05.000 mean that I don't think they have a

01:10:06.420 right to their opinion and I have to

01:10:07.960 admit I acquiesce every time in the

01:10:09.720 conversation it's legal in America so

01:10:12.420 I'm not going to go after people for

01:10:14.380 breaking the law I'm not going to call

01:10:16.520 women baby killers I'm not going to be

01:10:18.200 insulting I'll state my case of why I

01:10:20.540 believe it's the wrong thing but I can

01:10:22.540 do it and I can make a cohesive

01:10:24.280 argument and I have I barely have a

01:10:27.340 high school diploma I mean I barely have

01:10:29.960 a high school diploma and but the idea

01:10:32.380 to create critical thinkers is what we

01:10:34.420 should do and everybody young people I

01:10:37.160 speak in high schools across the state

01:10:39.400 where I live and you'd be amazed at some

01:10:41.580 of the critical thinkers that there are

01:10:43.040 that there are young people that are

01:10:44.680 concerned about terrorism and the

01:10:46.040 economy and the things that you and I

01:10:47.720 worry about and they're able to ask

01:10:49.400 things in a very intelligent way when

01:10:50.960 they're taught to be critical thinkers

01:10:52.780 next hour we are going to talk more

01:10:55.520 about the the London attackers we'll talk

01:10:57.480 more about those three men more of the

01:10:59.500 things that we know about them and what

01:11:00.720 happens next so we'll do that in the

01:11:02.400 next hour of the show and I'm going to

01:11:03.660 try to solidify my buddy if I can get

01:11:05.780 Jay Dobbins I want to get him on the show

01:11:07.340 today if not I'll get him for tomorrow

01:11:08.720 the blaze radio network

01:11:37.220 the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment

01:11:40.960 this is the Glenn Beck program

01:12:10.960 hey thanks for being here Mike Broomhead in

01:12:14.200 for Glenn reports of an incident outside

01:12:16.960 of the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris

01:12:18.980 police officers shot and injured an

01:12:21.400 attacker out there really that's all the

01:12:23.620 details that we have right now this just

01:12:25.500 happened this breaking news we'll find

01:12:27.460 out more as of as the morning goes on as

01:12:30.100 we go on with this hour we'll get more

01:12:31.260 information on this attack as it comes in

01:12:33.220 we'll let you know what's happening

01:12:34.160 there but the police have asked people to

01:12:35.680 stay away from a certain area around the

01:12:37.360 Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris so we'll find

01:12:40.140 it was apparently the attacker attacked an

01:12:42.820 officer with a hammer is one of the reports

01:12:45.560 we're hearing and then he was shot and

01:12:48.480 injured by police so we're waiting to hear

01:12:50.520 more details as it progresses as it comes

01:12:53.780 out the London attackers have been

01:12:55.180 identified it's one of the headlines that

01:12:57.080 we've been talking about all morning three men

01:12:58.960 they are range in age from 22 and as old as

01:13:01.700 30 years old two of them were of Moroccan

01:13:05.160 descent one of them is from Pakistan now

01:13:08.760 Pakistan but but a British citizen another

01:13:11.580 one Moroccan descent but a British citizen

01:13:13.520 also claimed to be from Libya as well and

01:13:16.060 the third person was of Moroccan descent but

01:13:18.800 a citizen of Italy and that he was 22 years

01:13:22.500 old the 22 year old suspect whose last name

01:13:25.720 is Zagba he was seen Yosef Zagba was caught

01:13:30.500 traveling trying to get into Istanbul the fear

01:13:32.480 was or the thought was he was going into

01:13:34.180 Syria the Italian authorities alerted your

01:13:37.160 the European authorities about these about

01:13:39.000 his travel and he was he was on a list so

01:13:41.360 was the primary in all of this and his name

01:13:44.500 is a Quran but is his last name 27 years old

01:13:47.900 radicalized very open about being radicalized

01:13:50.460 waved the jihadi flag was part of a jihadi

01:13:53.540 documentary called the jihadi next door and

01:13:56.140 last year and in Great Britain was trying to

01:13:59.180 radicalize some of his neighbors and the

01:14:00.560 neighbor kids in a park and so was pretty

01:14:02.800 well known for being outspoken so the

01:14:04.720 questions now are why wasn't he being

01:14:07.580 surveilled why was he able to do this and

01:14:11.100 what's what's interesting is if he wasn't

01:14:14.580 one of the keys that they were looking at

01:14:16.880 now that we know this about him who's more

01:14:19.760 of a threat that would be the question I

01:14:21.320 was asking if I were part of the the

01:14:23.340 European press or the British press I would

01:14:26.500 want to know who is a bigger threat than

01:14:28.560 this guy because he seems to be pretty

01:14:30.460 pretty ominous and then the third of the

01:14:32.960 three suspects was not known to 30 years

01:14:36.500 old born in Morocco but also a British

01:14:39.240 citizen was not known to police at all so

01:14:42.520 it would seem that here was a young guy and

01:14:45.400 he's actually the oldest of the three but

01:14:47.420 here's a man that was radicalized by

01:14:50.080 probably Karam but and and probably was the

01:14:53.900 one that was the leader of this trio we

01:14:56.240 know that they ran over all those people

01:14:57.800 on the London Bridge we know about the

01:14:59.140 stabbings and now here we have a

01:15:02.460 situation in Paris someone attacked with

01:15:04.660 a hammer we have no idea about the

01:15:05.960 attacker why what the mental state is what

01:15:08.960 the goal was there was an attack in

01:15:10.860 Australia I believe earlier today or

01:15:13.600 yesterday in which ISIS is claiming

01:15:16.560 responsibility for that so the laundry

01:15:19.560 list goes on I was just in I was just

01:15:21.740 during the break talking with some of the

01:15:24.140 guys here with with Doc Thompson and

01:15:25.720 with with Michael Pelka and we were

01:15:27.880 rattling off to each other what we know

01:15:30.500 of just during the month of Ramadan the

01:15:33.340 attacks that have happened and and you

01:15:35.040 know they've been all like we did

01:15:36.340 yesterday chronicling that how is this

01:15:38.800 this can't be every day and I don't know

01:15:41.360 I mean there are people that have been

01:15:42.300 tweeting me I don't know the religion of

01:15:46.900 Islam I don't know the Muslim faith

01:15:48.720 enough to defend it or attack it but it

01:15:51.860 doesn't I know that you know you can

01:15:53.660 misconstrue and people do versus in the

01:15:56.040 Bible you've got the Westboro Baptist

01:15:57.640 Church was never killed anyone as far as

01:15:59.460 I know by the way but they are they are a

01:16:01.640 group of people that espouse evil and they

01:16:04.340 make the claim that they read and worship

01:16:07.200 and get their course of actions from the

01:16:11.160 same book that I've read that I teach that I

01:16:14.940 try to model as much as best I can they

01:16:19.540 would say that they're Christians so

01:16:22.000 would I there's nothing about the Westboro

01:16:24.700 Baptist Church that I agree with nothing

01:16:26.640 you know they were I mentioned earlier the

01:16:30.400 protest or the shooting in Tucson Arizona

01:16:33.440 we were talking about mass shooters and I

01:16:35.140 mentioned Jared Loeffner and the shooting

01:16:36.760 in which it took the lives life of of a

01:16:39.880 federal judge it severely injured Gabrielle

01:16:42.220 Gifford a former Congresswoman and it

01:16:45.880 killed a small girl named Christina Taylor

01:16:47.780 Green and she was eight years old I

01:16:50.740 believe at the time and the Westboro

01:16:52.580 Baptist Church threatened to come to

01:16:55.660 Arizona and boycott or protest her funeral

01:16:59.660 this again was their their idea of God

01:17:04.400 hates gay people so much and America is so

01:17:08.600 sympathetic to gay people that they are that

01:17:13.060 God is allowing these horrible things to

01:17:14.920 happen to good people as a punishment to

01:17:17.700 us for how nice we are to gay people if

01:17:20.120 that isn't a warped theology I don't know

01:17:22.560 what is anybody who presumes to know the

01:17:24.900 mind of God is a fool to begin with but to

01:17:27.620 presume that God would take the life of an

01:17:30.020 eight-year-old because the American

01:17:31.740 government is is I don't what word they

01:17:35.480 would use about gay people is ludicrous

01:17:41.300 absolutely ludicrous but they would say

01:17:43.900 they're Christians the same as I am I

01:17:46.680 taught at a Baptist church they claim to

01:17:48.440 be a Baptist church so I'm not going to

01:17:51.180 lump the Muslim faith and the billion

01:17:54.920 people that are a part of that religion in

01:17:56.820 with the radical Islamists who are saying

01:17:59.600 that their religious books tells them by

01:18:01.580 the way to kill mostly Muslims let's be

01:18:04.160 honest that attack in Baghdad in front

01:18:06.440 of an ice cream shop where they killed

01:18:07.660 all those kids those were Muslim kids

01:18:10.240 the Manchester attacker killed kids

01:18:13.900 didn't matter what faith they were they

01:18:15.640 were just looking to kill kids but

01:18:17.380 outside of that ice cream shop in

01:18:19.160 Baghdad that bombing a few days ago that

01:18:23.060 was children it's just how I don't know I

01:18:27.060 I don't know what motivates people to any

01:18:29.660 of these things the Orlando shooter which

01:18:32.580 was not a terrorist attack it was a

01:18:34.800 disgruntled former employee at an awning

01:18:36.640 manufacturing company named John Newman

01:18:39.200 45 years old went back to his old place

01:18:42.120 of business now he's a former member of

01:18:45.100 the United States Army so he's a veteran

01:18:46.540 he had been had some run-ins with the law

01:18:48.580 he'd been arrested for possession of

01:18:49.960 marijuana a DUI and he also had a

01:18:52.780 confrontation a physical confrontation

01:18:54.500 with a co-worker a couple of years ago

01:18:57.320 or a year or so ago and was fired he's

01:19:00.140 been fired from his job went back to his

01:19:02.640 place of business with a gun told some

01:19:04.520 people to leave and shot five other

01:19:06.500 people before taking his own life and so

01:19:10.640 again different than a terrorist attack

01:19:12.640 because of motive doesn't mean loss of

01:19:14.600 life it's not a death toll but the loss

01:19:16.820 of life and the motivation behind it he

01:19:19.500 wasn't trying to terrorize people I

01:19:21.460 guarantee you these three people are a

01:19:23.740 part of that movement the three London

01:19:25.580 attackers are a part of the movement that

01:19:27.580 you're not safe anywhere walking on the

01:19:30.040 London Bridge having coffee or a drink

01:19:32.220 outside at a cafe it doesn't matter you're

01:19:35.040 not safe an Ariana Grande concert your

01:19:37.440 kids are gonna go just hear music

01:19:38.920 children being children there was one

01:19:40.740 video that I played on my show back home

01:19:43.680 and it was of two girls on a cell phone

01:19:46.320 videotaping like a Facebook live video or

01:19:49.080 something and all of a sudden you hear

01:19:52.600 the bomb go off in the distance and then

01:19:55.480 the two girls realize something's

01:19:57.340 happening and they're goofing around just

01:20:00.500 turns into terror it's only about a 10 or

01:20:02.580 a 12 second video but it is harrowing to

01:20:05.200 think about that's the society that we're

01:20:07.340 now living in is fighting this kind of

01:20:09.380 evil the White House leaker has been

01:20:12.140 identified and she has been charged her

01:20:14.480 name is Reality Lee Winner and looking at

01:20:18.340 some of her profiles her Twitter profile

01:20:22.320 which they're attributing to her I'm

01:20:25.140 pretty sure by now it's been verified to

01:20:26.620 be here if it's her making statements

01:20:28.920 anti-Trump statements said that we stay

01:20:31.880 that she would we Americans there are

01:20:33.680 those of America that stand with the

01:20:36.060 Iranians if there were a war to break

01:20:37.960 out against the Iranians how does a woman

01:20:40.180 I mean I mean this sincerely because I

01:20:42.640 don't know I've never had a top secret

01:20:44.700 clearance I wouldn't be dumb enough to

01:20:46.160 try but I've never had a top secret

01:20:48.400 clearance but how does someone that

01:20:51.700 goes on social media and says if the

01:20:55.440 sitting president who you work for

01:20:57.380 decides through Congress we're going to

01:21:01.240 go to war if because she accused him of

01:21:03.140 that in there not the Congress declaring

01:21:04.700 war if Trump declares war which she

01:21:07.680 knows can't happen then there are people

01:21:10.920 like her that will side with Iran how does

01:21:14.520 she keep a top secret clearance I don't

01:21:17.200 isn't there a violation there that you

01:21:19.740 know she may not go to jail for her

01:21:21.200 views but she's certainly not going to

01:21:22.920 get her hands on top secret documents and

01:21:26.400 she did and she released them to the

01:21:28.500 public what we're going to do coming up

01:21:31.440 in a moment is more about these London

01:21:32.740 attackers what we know about these three

01:21:34.260 men what we're learning and of course if

01:21:36.420 we can get more information on this

01:21:38.320 attack in Paris and what happened at the

01:21:40.500 Notre Dame Cathedral we'll bring that to

01:21:42.600 you in a moment as well on again social

01:21:44.960 media we're having I'm having a great

01:21:46.340 time talking to people on social media

01:21:47.780 on Twitter I am at broomhead show so feel

01:21:50.120 free to reach out there if you like my

01:21:51.780 name is Mike Broomhead and this is a

01:21:53.620 Glenn Beck program

01:21:54.540 all right so here we have it the three

01:22:12.740 the three attackers in London what we

01:22:15.020 know about these guys if you're just

01:22:16.380 joining the show the three attackers were

01:22:17.900 identified yesterday the third of which

01:22:19.400 was identified later a young man it's

01:22:22.220 funny two of the three were known to

01:22:23.560 police one definitely was known to

01:22:25.140 authorities the second had been reported

01:22:26.840 through the Italian authorities because

01:22:28.260 he's an Italian citizen but the third of

01:22:30.820 these the oldest of the three was not

01:22:33.280 known to police at all so the suspicion

01:22:35.020 is of course how was he radicalized was

01:22:38.320 he one of the people was he radicalized

01:22:40.640 by the leader of this group who he says

01:22:43.440 was he was radicalized by watching

01:22:45.180 YouTube I don't necessarily believe that

01:22:47.960 either by the way I've just been back

01:22:51.020 and forth with my friend Jay Dobbins it

01:22:52.740 looks like we're gonna try to get him on

01:22:53.780 this hour in the next segment of the

01:22:55.960 show and my apologies to Jay and

01:22:58.140 everybody else with the scheduling mix

01:22:59.280 up but we're gonna try to get him on to

01:23:00.840 talk about operation fast and furious

01:23:02.320 but the Orlando the the Orlando shooter

01:23:04.800 was not a terrorist attack although there

01:23:06.380 were people dead and I've had people

01:23:07.660 email me that I know saying terrorism

01:23:09.880 define terrorism well in my mind what

01:23:12.680 we're talking about is what the intent is

01:23:15.260 the Orlando shooter had no intention of

01:23:18.660 terrorizing the Orlando community he was

01:23:21.080 after those five people or that company

01:23:23.160 specifically for specific reasons the

01:23:26.000 terrorists and if you think about the

01:23:27.820 gangs in America if you think if you live

01:23:29.760 in a in a big city where gangs are a big

01:23:32.580 thing you realize the tactics they use in

01:23:35.620 the neighborhoods they live in they don't

01:23:37.560 expect everybody to join them but

01:23:39.500 everybody in the neighborhood better fear

01:23:41.020 them you better stay away from them you

01:23:43.400 better not rat them out you better not tell

01:23:45.240 anybody about what they're up to so they

01:23:47.760 use fear the fear of death and injury to

01:23:50.680 you if you say something or your family

01:23:53.160 members or both they use that fear to

01:23:58.260 take over neighborhoods it's not about

01:24:00.540 respect it's not about anything else but

01:24:02.940 self indulgence so if it's drugs they want

01:24:08.280 to scare off other gangs whatever it is and

01:24:11.520 it's the same thing with the Islamists they

01:24:14.440 are using fear in normally safe places you

01:24:18.400 know tourist attractions like the London

01:24:20.000 Bridge they attack Parliament if you

01:24:23.620 remember that now you know they are using

01:24:26.320 these to tell the tell society you're not

01:24:29.900 safe anywhere they're not attacking the

01:24:33.260 police necessarily they're certainly not

01:24:35.020 attacking the military necessarily what

01:24:37.220 they're doing is attacking the citizenry and

01:24:39.380 saying you're not safe that's terrorism

01:24:42.400 we used to watch when I was younger you

01:24:46.200 would see the the fight between the

01:24:49.040 Palestinians and the Israelis and you

01:24:51.280 would see in Israel you see a report

01:24:53.960 that a Palestinian got onto a bus loaded

01:24:56.500 with people and blew themselves up or there

01:24:58.660 was a the video of that bombing in a in a

01:25:01.180 nightclub or in a restaurant and there

01:25:04.080 was a reality of living in Israel at the

01:25:06.340 time of knowing that you had to kind of

01:25:08.960 watch over your shoulder but they were

01:25:11.360 well-armed and and they also had a great

01:25:14.180 military that protected their people in

01:25:17.880 Great Britain the police are telling their

01:25:19.900 their citizens to run hide and tell

01:25:23.400 someone I mean honestly how in the world

01:25:27.820 is that helping anyone three guys conjure up

01:25:33.000 a plan to jump in a car run people over jump

01:25:39.160 out at the end of the ride and stab as many

01:25:42.180 people as they can until the police kill

01:25:45.460 them how do you if you're not surveilling

01:25:50.800 that person if that person's not on a watch

01:25:52.680 list how do you prevent something like

01:25:55.420 that from happening what drastic measures

01:25:58.800 changing society you're not allow foot

01:26:01.840 traffic on London Bridge what would you

01:26:05.280 limit where people can drive cars

01:26:06.860 how do you stop what you do is you try to

01:26:11.560 eradicate the threat not the tools they use

01:26:15.340 to carry out their destruction it's a sad

01:26:20.340 commentary when you go down the laundry

01:26:23.020 list of things that have happened in

01:26:24.420 recent weeks you think about the holy month

01:26:26.200 of Ramadan and you think about the

01:26:27.700 observances how about the hypocrisy in

01:26:29.920 all of this there was one of the

01:26:32.560 shootings here happened actually in Texas

01:26:34.140 where I am now they had a Muhammad

01:26:36.460 drawing contest or something and a couple

01:26:39.400 of guys from Arizona jumped in a car and

01:26:42.560 decided they were going to shoot up the

01:26:43.720 place they didn't make it through the

01:26:45.960 front door they were gunned down in the

01:26:47.340 streets because they were trying to

01:26:49.260 murder people but for a group of people

01:26:52.540 that say if you even insult Islam or

01:26:54.860 insult the prophet Muhammad insult the

01:26:57.620 Quran if you insult our book you insult

01:27:00.040 our who we hold up in the highest

01:27:02.420 regards the staples of our religion if

01:27:04.720 you if you even insult them will murder

01:27:07.480 you and then who hasn't seen the videos

01:27:10.320 of ISIS in Iraq going into those religious

01:27:13.000 places and those museums where there are

01:27:15.140 religious relics dating back thousands of

01:27:17.760 years and just destroying them just breaking

01:27:22.020 them on the ground it's the utter hypocrisy

01:27:24.920 no different than you see the gangs in

01:27:27.900 America where they on one hand claim to

01:27:30.360 love each other and on the other hand

01:27:31.920 it's all about murder and mayhem it's

01:27:36.360 unbelievable so here's three well one

01:27:39.120 very young guy 22 years old 127 130 dead

01:27:44.360 and taking the lives and changing the lives

01:27:49.060 of so many people around them for what

01:27:51.560 good and what are we doing societally

01:27:56.980 America what are we doing to make sure it

01:27:59.180 doesn't happen here more often than it

01:28:00.860 does because we've had San Bernardino next

01:28:03.180 week I guess is the anniversary of the

01:28:04.460 Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando Florida

01:28:06.200 so we've seen incidents here but not to the

01:28:08.900 degree that we're seeing in Europe and in

01:28:11.060 Great Britain so it is it is troubling to

01:28:15.520 think about what they're doing in these

01:28:17.540 nations looking through some of the

01:28:19.620 paperwork and what we know about them the

01:28:21.640 London Bridge attackers revealed with

01:28:23.320 Arsenal shirted jihadi ringleader when I

01:28:26.080 say Arsenal jersey that's the soccer team I

01:28:29.520 just want to make sure everybody knows

01:28:30.520 that this is America we don't know a whole

01:28:32.120 lot about soccer here just so you know

01:28:33.820 that when I say Arsenal he wasn't wearing

01:28:35.720 like arm you know arms he wasn't wearing

01:28:38.560 guns it was an Arsenal jersey and the second

01:28:42.340 terrorist identified this as a Moroccan

01:28:44.860 pastry chef so these are guys that had

01:28:46.940 regular jobs that lived in that town one

01:28:50.020 of them though was talking espousing very

01:28:52.780 radical ideas what then do you do about

01:28:55.340 that that's my question at what point are

01:28:59.160 you able to intervene here in America we

01:29:01.860 monitor each other just on you know what

01:29:03.720 we can say but that's only if you care if

01:29:06.140 people you're not gonna be arrested for

01:29:07.620 what you say but you may lose your job

01:29:09.580 Bill Maher had to apologize for what he

01:29:11.280 said and he should have should he have

01:29:13.440 lost his job well that's at the

01:29:14.560 discretion of the people he works for

01:29:16.020 other people have for using that word

01:29:18.200 just using the word so we change how we

01:29:21.420 address people what we say about people

01:29:23.220 we do all of that

01:29:24.480 so then what is it when on that side of

01:29:30.160 things when does the rhetoric become an

01:29:32.660 offense an arrestable offense is that

01:29:35.920 something that they should be looking into

01:29:37.900 so here's what I've got set up I've got my

01:29:41.560 friend Jay Dobbins Jay Dobbins is going to

01:29:43.840 join the show in a few minutes tomorrow

01:29:45.840 Jason Chaffetz during the show tomorrow

01:29:47.920 in the morning Jason Chaffetz is having a

01:29:50.200 hearing on Fast and Furious and the death

01:29:52.520 of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry what I

01:29:55.020 think is one of the biggest crimes of the

01:29:56.680 last 10 years for sure was what happened

01:29:59.140 with Operation Fast and Furious and the

01:30:01.300 reason why Jay Dobbins is such a an

01:30:03.200 authority on all of this is the same ATF

01:30:05.980 leadership alcohol tobacco and firearms

01:30:07.960 leadership that railroaded Jay Dobbins

01:30:10.500 are the same leaders that remained in

01:30:12.640 place and had this ridiculous plan of

01:30:16.300 something called Operation Fast and

01:30:17.800 Furious to date none of the leadership

01:30:19.980 at the ATF has been punished there's only

01:30:21.960 been one person that's lost their job

01:30:23.860 because of Fast and Furious and he quit

01:30:26.000 it was the U.S. attorney for the state of

01:30:27.680 Arizona and he quit some of the details

01:30:30.480 about this case but now we're talking

01:30:32.800 about the death of a law enforcement agent

01:30:34.460 where a gun from Fast and Furious was

01:30:36.960 found at the scene of the crime so Jay

01:30:40.160 Dobbins former ATF agent first federal

01:30:42.480 agent ever to become a full patch member

01:30:44.260 of the Hells Angels as an undercover

01:30:45.680 officer author very well accomplished

01:30:48.280 author speaking tours across the

01:30:50.400 country and somebody that is so

01:30:51.640 motivational is going to join us here

01:30:53.360 in the next segment of the show so

01:30:54.740 you're going to want to stick around

01:30:55.480 here Jay Dobbins and what he has to say

01:30:57.020 if you're watching on the TV compelling

01:30:58.820 the guy is just a compelling interview so

01:31:01.040 Jay Dobbins joins me in just a couple of

01:31:02.680 moments I'm Mike Broomhead this is the

01:31:04.340 Glenn Beck program

01:31:05.180 this is the Glenn Beck program

01:31:14.920 all right if you've listened to me any

01:31:17.500 length of time whether it's at my show in

01:31:19.040 Arizona or anytime I've been on this show

01:31:20.380 it's come up very often it's Operation

01:31:21.860 Fast and Furious I've talked about it

01:31:23.380 because it happened in Arizona but it

01:31:24.700 affected the entire country

01:31:26.140 Jay Dobbins is a special agent or was a

01:31:29.340 former special agent with ATF alcohol

01:31:30.960 tobacco and firearms best New York Times

01:31:33.120 best-selling author book called No

01:31:35.020 Angel the first federal agent to become

01:31:37.100 a full patch member of the Hells Angels

01:31:39.480 infiltrated that organization

01:31:41.080 responsible for a lot of arrests and

01:31:43.240 then it went completely sideways and the

01:31:45.840 connection between the two Fast and

01:31:47.860 Furious and what happened to Jay

01:31:49.420 Dobbins is ATF leadership the people

01:31:52.660 that were in charge of the Fast and

01:31:54.080 Furious operation were the same people

01:31:55.940 that were the bosses over Jay Dobbins

01:31:57.460 when he was railroaded so I welcome him

01:32:00.320 to the show Jay thanks for joining me

01:32:01.920 good morning good morning to you and your

01:32:04.540 audience and thanks for having me you

01:32:05.920 know Jay you and I have talked about a

01:32:08.220 lot of things I met you at the benefit

01:32:11.020 for the families border portray agent

01:32:13.620 Brian Terry and I know that this is a

01:32:15.980 subject that is very near to you with

01:32:18.260 this hearing coming up tomorrow what are

01:32:19.900 you expecting Chaffetz to to do in this

01:32:22.700 hearing what are you expecting him to

01:32:23.920 find out well they're promising to finally

01:32:27.000 get to the bottom of what happened and

01:32:29.760 all the cover-up and the executive

01:32:31.780 privilege that was extended over the

01:32:33.580 case to protect the White House and the

01:32:35.780 Department of Justice and Eric Holder

01:32:37.420 whether they'll get there or not you

01:32:39.580 know I don't know Josephine Terry

01:32:42.420 Brian's mother is set to testify before

01:32:45.060 the oversight committee and I expect her

01:32:48.600 words and her passion and emotion over

01:32:51.560 the death of her son to be powerful when

01:32:54.680 you when you when this happened to you

01:32:57.460 when the leadership of the ATF did what

01:32:59.540 they did to you can you explain a little

01:33:00.860 bit of what happened to your career and

01:33:02.980 then the fallout where they actually didn't

01:33:04.360 they actually accuse you of burning down

01:33:05.740 your own house well when my Hells Angels

01:33:09.540 infiltration case ended and my true

01:33:11.980 identity was exposed I received a myriad of

01:33:16.600 death and violence threats I had murder

01:33:18.320 contracts on me there were threats to

01:33:20.400 gang rape my wife there were threats to

01:33:22.820 kidnap and torture my kids and the

01:33:25.580 leadership in ATF in Phoenix ignored all

01:33:28.980 those and buried them they went beyond

01:33:31.840 that they exposed the location of my

01:33:35.940 residence in open source information

01:33:38.560 three months later my house was burned to

01:33:41.240 the ground and those leaders failed to

01:33:44.800 respond to the fire scene and then tried

01:33:47.300 to frame me as the arsonist and those

01:33:51.220 leaders in Phoenix namely Bill Newell

01:33:55.780 George Gillette and Charles Higman were in

01:33:59.040 the middle of operation fast and furious I

01:34:03.200 reported what had happened the office of

01:34:06.560 special counsel in the office and the

01:34:08.400 inspector general did an investigation and

01:34:11.720 wrote a report that was delivered to

01:34:14.060 President Obama it was delivered to Eric

01:34:15.900 Holder it was delivered to Congress it was

01:34:17.720 delivered to the director of ATF and no one

01:34:21.140 did anything they just stood down on it well

01:34:24.940 they stood down on it because they had

01:34:27.280 something to protect these guys were running

01:34:29.560 fast and furious they did not want them

01:34:32.640 exposed they did not want attention on these

01:34:34.940 guys so two years after my house gets burned

01:34:38.260 down after these guys have been pointed out to

01:34:40.340 the leadership of the government that this

01:34:43.100 leadership and ATF is corrupt it's criminal

01:34:45.700 Brian Terry's murdered

01:34:47.720 Wow that the I remember when you and I had

01:34:53.160 talked about this your connection because of

01:34:56.100 the leadership what were your thoughts when

01:34:57.640 when fast and furious works was exposed when

01:35:00.120 the agents the agents on the ground after

01:35:02.560 Brian Terry was killed finally said enough is

01:35:04.600 enough I don't care if my career is ruined I've

01:35:06.620 got to speak out what were your thoughts when

01:35:08.680 you first heard about the leadership and what

01:35:10.920 that that mission or what that operation that

01:35:13.100 they were in control of you know my initial

01:35:16.020 thoughts when I heard of what had happened that

01:35:18.780 thousands of assault rifles had been like

01:35:22.320 voluntarily allowed to get into the hands of

01:35:26.260 drug cartels in Mexico I didn't believe it as

01:35:30.180 much as I knew that the leadership in ATF in

01:35:34.060 Phoenix was corrupt and criminal I still

01:35:36.920 didn't believe it I said there's no way these

01:35:40.200 guys would try to pull this off and sure

01:35:43.460 enough man they were even dirtier than I

01:35:46.480 thought they were they were even dirtier than

01:35:48.640 what they had done to me by trying to frame an

01:35:51.760 innocent agent that worked for them for

01:35:54.260 attempted murder of his family by a fire they

01:35:58.340 were even dirtier than that when when the

01:36:02.820 leadership then because and the punchline to a

01:36:04.780 lot of this that I wish would have been reported

01:36:06.240 more on the national level is that those same

01:36:08.800 leaders you're talking about never lost their

01:36:10.680 jobs weren't they either laterally transferred

01:36:12.560 or promoted to other positions protected their

01:36:14.520 career and their pensions right you know

01:36:17.400 internally and externally ATF determined that

01:36:21.640 these guys were criminal they had proposal

01:36:25.500 proposal internal proposal to terminate them and

01:36:29.400 prosecute them and they all got free passes they

01:36:34.220 either were reassigned to a job that allowed them to

01:36:37.100 keep their employment or they were allowed to retire

01:36:40.580 with full benefits and full pensions and every day that

01:36:46.620 you pay taxes that I pay taxes that your audience pays taxes we

01:36:51.780 are funding the comfort and the and the well-being and the

01:36:57.220 lifestyle of those criminals who are responsible for the deaths of

01:37:03.320 hundreds of innocent Mexican citizens and Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata

01:37:09.960 they all got a pass they all got taken care of they all got soft landings

01:37:14.060 do you think with the turnover in the administration now that some of those

01:37:17.800 documents can be exposed that that executive order can be lifted that some

01:37:21.000 of the the pieces of the evidence that were covered up by executive order can

01:37:25.000 now be viewed in the light of day well I believe that's one of the points that

01:37:30.000 Josephine Terry intends to make before the oversight committee tomorrow is that

01:37:34.100 on the campaign trail President Trump promised the Terry family that he would

01:37:39.780 open those files up and that we would get to see what was being

01:37:43.780 hidden what was being concealed and I think that Josephine is going to ask the

01:37:48.500 oversight committee please press for that please please open this up so we can

01:37:53.160 know the truth so that that family can get some closure and that American

01:37:57.780 America can get the answers that they deserve as to why their government was

01:38:04.380 arming the enemy arming narco trafficking your your book no angel you're a New

01:38:11.740 York's Times best-selling author and now you've got a new book coming out called

01:38:14.940 Catching Hell tell me about the new book

01:38:16.620 Catching Hell actually has a fairly significant portion of the book dedicated

01:38:24.560 to this corruption at ATF and corruption within Phoenix and corruption at ATF's

01:38:30.980 headquarters and how that came about and was validated through Fast and Furious

01:38:37.000 and the fact that I had exposed these criminal executives in the midst of Fast and

01:38:45.340 Furious and how no one wanted to pay attention and everyone wanted to believe

01:38:49.140 these guys and they were left in place to continue to run that operation that

01:38:53.800 resulted in all this carnage when you when you talk about the leadership at ATF how

01:39:01.280 did it affect the agents on the ground the agents in the field when this

01:39:05.440 operation like Fast and Furious was going on how did they feel about what they

01:39:08.740 were being told by leadership oh man it's demoralizing the leadership the

01:39:14.640 executives are going to continue to tell the public how they've changed

01:39:19.080 everything how everything's great again that that's not the attitude with people

01:39:25.680 with boots on the ground and not every boss at ATF is a criminal not every one of

01:39:30.940 them is corrupt the vast vast majority of them are good employees trying to do

01:39:35.940 their jobs trying to investigate America's violent crime on behalf of the good and

01:39:42.680 innocent people that are out there but there's a handful of them that are

01:39:46.520 dominant in leadership positions that are just maintaining the status quo yeah and

01:39:53.060 that's I think that was what was most frustrating to me was when this case broke

01:39:56.520 and we you know you and I both being in Arizona know the players and the names that

01:40:00.300 the U.S. attorney that left his post the only person to lose his job was the U.S.

01:40:03.820 attorney and he quit he wasn't fired he used to be the chief of staff for the

01:40:07.780 former governor Janet Napolitano who at the time was homeland security director so

01:40:11.820 that the idea that he didn't call her and let her know this was going on seems

01:40:15.580 absurd to me but the fact that when all of this broke that a couple of thousand

01:40:19.460 rifles were trucked into Mexico nothing was said and nothing was done and it was

01:40:23.620 covered up shocks me to a certain degree but the worst part about it is as good

01:40:27.960 people like you and other agents who at fast and furious lost their careers or had

01:40:33.140 them damaged because they dared to speak out well if you if you spoke up if you

01:40:38.940 blew the whistle if you came forward with factual truthful information that you

01:40:44.480 had regarding this operation the agency made it a point to bury you to humiliate

01:40:51.120 you to publicly try to disgrace you that was their defense that's what that was how

01:40:56.980 they decided they were going to defend this corrupt operation was by slandering and

01:41:02.920 libeling the people who came forward and told the truth well I um I appreciate the

01:41:08.320 time as always Jay it's it's good to talk with you even for a few minutes if

01:41:11.440 people want to either get no angel or pre-order the new book how can they find

01:41:15.020 you they can go to my website it's jaydobbins.com j-a-y-d-o-b-y-n-s dot com and

01:41:22.660 there's a couple tabs on that page and both books are available yeah Jay it's

01:41:27.500 always a pleasure and everybody listening or watching um if you want to read

01:41:30.720 no angel is a great book and I can't wait to get a copy of of catching hell Jay I appreciate

01:41:35.540 the time as always and I hope to see you soon thanks for having me and thank you for continuing

01:41:40.900 to pay attention to this and it's important that it uh gets further exposed and more attention on

01:41:47.120 it thank you all right thanks all right that's Jay Dobbins joining us for a few moments um again

01:41:51.600 and truly an American in my estimation an American hero Jay Dobbins out of college dedicated his life

01:41:57.260 to public service working for as a federal agent uh how dangerous could you how more dangerous could

01:42:02.620 it be as a federal agent in America then feel infiltrate and become a member of the hell's

01:42:07.220 angels and then for the government to turn their back on him the way they did and just expose him

01:42:11.660 to the very elements of danger that he was trying to protect society from just shows you not everybody

01:42:16.260 in the government is corrupt but when the corruption happens how hard it is to get rid of it because

01:42:20.660 those three leaders are are still employed by the ATF as far as we know and they got to live out

01:42:26.400 their days and get their pensions it's just a sad sad story of how it is got one more segment left

01:42:32.020 here in the show 85 percent drop in food stamp subscriptions that happened in Alabama I'm going

01:42:37.540 to tell you how and why I'll do that in just a few moments I'm Mike Broomhead and this is the Glenn Beck

01:42:41.900 program all right before we close it out today um police in Paris shot and injured a man who

01:43:00.620 attacked officers with a hammer at the Notre Dame Cathedral in the sunny in the center of the city of

01:43:05.300 Paris um they are they opened up a a anti-terror probe into all of this there's no details about the

01:43:11.340 identity of the attacker yet what the motives were behind all of this there were some pictures kind

01:43:15.380 of harrowing pictures you go to Notre Dame you go to the cathedral there are people sitting inside

01:43:19.540 the cathedral in the church police came in and asked everybody to raise their hands so they're

01:43:23.440 sitting in the pews of the church with their hands in the air and it just got to be a harrowing scene

01:43:27.620 when you're there as a tourist on vacation I'm sure so we'll find out what the motives were seems to

01:43:32.220 be a single attacker there was no detonation of a bomb there was no shooting he attacked an officer

01:43:36.580 with a hammer so we have no details if this is motivated by terrorism is that ISIS is going to

01:43:41.740 claim responsibility but so far that's the information we have coming out of Paris but if

01:43:46.560 you look what's happened and now we've got Great Britain we've got now Paris this happens Australia

01:43:52.520 was another attack ISIS is claiming responsibility for look what happened in Kabul with the bombing

01:43:57.200 Baghdad with the bombing all over the world we're finding these attacks and it's about time to start

01:44:02.680 asking well the Ariana Grande situation what happened at that concert was so harrowing

01:44:07.960 because it was kids to me I thought that would be the game changer I maybe I'm wrong maybe I don't

01:44:13.220 know the minds of the Europeans I think in America after 9-11 America kind of galvanized it was the

01:44:19.080 mistake of the terrorists to believe that we were kind of a loosely knit I mean they kind of saw us as

01:44:24.040 as kind of the Kardashians you know we were just kind of shallow and I don't even know if they are but

01:44:28.680 you know the impression they give people but that we were going to be this group of people that fought

01:44:33.300 like we do that if they attacked us like they did on September 11th we'd fall apart but what it did was

01:44:38.640 galvanize America people flooding back to churches you remember it was Rudy Giuliani that said it was the

01:44:45.260 worst of humanity met by the best of humanity in these humanitarian efforts that happened in the fallout from

01:44:50.720 the rescue efforts to the recovery efforts to the people that volunteered their vacation time to serve food to

01:44:56.180 those that were working for recovery it was just a nationwide um mourning and kind of coming together

01:45:03.300 and if you attack our children I believe America would do the same thing now I don't know the mindset

01:45:10.400 of what happened there in the UK but I would have thought that no matter what was going on in the local

01:45:14.760 governments there that when children were attacked with a bomb at a concert that it would have changed

01:45:21.240 the hearts and minds of the adults as to what they were really dealing with and hopefully that's the

01:45:24.860 case and if this we'll find out more about this attack uh in Paris if it was related to the same

01:45:30.340 kind of violence or if it was just a madman that attacked a police officer but attacked an officer

01:45:34.860 with a hammer was then shot a witness said they heard two shots the man is not dead the attacker is

01:45:41.340 not dead they took the attacker to a local hospital and we'll find out information whether he perishes

01:45:45.520 from his wounds or not we'll find out in the coming hours I'm sure before we get out of here

01:45:49.740 very quickly I this kind of struck me as I saw this um this story um 13 previously exempted Alabama

01:45:58.120 counties that had participants in their food stamp program had people canceling food stamps because

01:46:06.440 they now have a work requirement attached to getting food assistance you know the the uh the old

01:46:13.320 biblical reference that uh the man that will not work shall not eat is is the I guess the way they're

01:46:19.760 thinking about it they're 85 percent drop in people when a job requirement was attached to it um just for

01:46:26.000 the record um I grew up with nothing myself so it's not like I'm a silver spoon person pointing fingers

01:46:31.680 at people in poverty but I also would say that um my mom worked very hard to make sure we could eat

01:46:37.700 and there are a lot of people that do that and if you're somebody that's just going to milk society

01:46:43.560 there's there should be repercussions I'm not heartless but I'm also not mindless tomorrow on

01:46:50.260 the program I will be back tomorrow with an update on everything that you've we've been hearing about

01:46:53.820 today we'll talk about the hearing with Jason Chaffetz because that hearing will be going on during

01:46:57.360 this show have a great day everyone my name is Mike Brum and I'm back tomorrow god bless

01:47:01.240 this is the Glenn Beck program mercury

The Glenn Beck Program - June 06, 2017

6⧸6⧸17 - When our government betrays our protectors (Jay Dobyns Joins The Program)

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