Alan Dershowitz and Robbie George weigh in on the Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian woman. Is it treason? Is it an impeachable offense? Is this a sin of omission? Or is this just a sin that we all have to forgive and move on from?
00:38:06.800We also want to give you a break in something, give you some really good news that we do have friends and allies.
00:38:18.280I don't know if you've heard about the Canadians, a Canadian court, giving a guy who was in Guantanamo for killing an American soldier.
00:38:31.980He sued the Canadian government, and he sued them because he didn't rescue them from Guantanamo.
00:38:41.700They actually had to pay him $10 million.
00:38:45.780When you hear this story, it is absolutely incredible, but I want to give you the good news.
00:38:51.360There's a group of Canadians that are so outraged by this that they are now, they did a GoFundMe page where they're trying to raise money for the American family.
00:39:02.420As kind of almost an apology that we're sorry, we're really, really sorry that we did this in court.
00:39:10.280The Canadian people support the U.S. military.
00:41:08.060And it's obviously, obviously, no one would want to see Americans cooperating with, participating with a hostile foreign power as it tries to influence an American election.
00:41:23.200And so calling something collusion, regardless if it's illegal, is still very damaging.
00:41:34.620But as of right now, if you look at the decision of Donald Trump Jr. to take that meeting with Jared Kushner, with Paul Manafort, that doesn't seem to be illegal.
00:41:59.280But we do have, just in the email at least, we do have the willingness to coordinate.
00:42:08.060When he wrote, hey, this is great, but it would be better if it was released maybe later this summer, that is the beginning of cooperation, is it not?
00:42:21.800The way I phrased it is it looks like, based on the available evidence, what you had was like attempted collusion.
00:42:29.340If you had asked me a week ago, or if you had told me a week ago that there exists an actual email sent to high-level Trump officials that says we're offering to provide the Trump campaign with official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary in her dealings with Russia,
00:42:48.400and would be very useful to your father, and it's high-level and sensitive information, but is part of Russia and its government support for Mr. Trump, like that's actually in an email,
00:42:59.340and then a high-level Trump official, no less high-level than Trump's son, responds with, if that's what you say, I love it, I would have thought that's a bad House of Cards episode.
00:43:13.020Yeah, and there's no, there's, I didn't think that there was collusion, I didn't think any of the, you would have said to me last week,
00:43:23.520if there was just emails between the Russians and the Trumps, I would have said no.
00:43:28.920I mean, I just, I didn't believe any of this by any stretch of the imagination.
00:43:37.000And so now we get to the repeated lies, I think we counted 38 or 48 lies where they are saying none of this happened.
00:43:49.240One of those, which is stunning, and I'm trying to get the tape of it, is from Jake Tapper, where he had Donald Trump Jr. on at the time of the convention,
00:43:58.020and he said, you know, they're saying that the Russians are targeting Hillary Clinton in favor of your father.
00:44:07.720And the answer from Donald Trump Jr. is astounding, now that you know what he knew,
00:44:15.400where he rolls his eyes and he says, this is just pathetic, they will say anything to win.
00:44:21.620I mean, where do you go with that, David?
00:44:26.180Well, one of the things you do, where you go with that, is you don't believe a word they say anymore.
00:44:31.600And that's really, really important, because one of the major defenses that we heard yesterday was,
00:44:38.120okay, well, we took the meeting, but the meeting was nothing.
00:44:41.600Nothing happened, there was no collusion, they didn't offer us anything, we didn't give them anything.
00:44:46.380And, you know, that may well be true, that may well be true, it may well be that they took a meeting under false pretenses,
00:44:53.480but there's two things that flow from that, one, or really three things.
00:44:57.900One, it still doesn't mean that their intent wasn't terrible.
00:45:03.260As somebody said, if you're thinking you're buying drugs and they turn out to be fake drugs,
00:45:07.480that doesn't make you any better person.
00:45:09.920Yeah, and you're not calling the police.
00:48:44.760We don't know how serious it will get because we don't know what else is there.
00:48:48.040Um, if it's, if this is, if this is, if there is no other shoe that drops in all of this, if this is the story, uh, this is very, very serious,
00:48:57.680but it's not going to lead to, uh, you know, a change in the administration.
00:49:01.120It's not going to lead to impeachment.
00:49:04.060Um, but it should be, and it should, it should be deeply alarming and it should be deeply damaging.
00:49:11.460I mean, we're at a point right now where, um, as, as Jonah Goldberg put it well, we know so little that we should trust no one and defend no one because there are a lot, so many facts that we don't know.
00:49:41.540And I was beginning to believe that I was beginning to believe that the collusion narrative was utterly false.
00:49:46.880Uh, and now I'm seeing that maybe that's not right.
00:49:49.700And we need to really, we need to really, uh, leave no stone, stone unturned.
00:49:53.920So I'm going to talk to the audience here in a few minutes about some of the things that I'm worried about.
00:49:58.260I mean, any time in American history that the United States government has become unstable, that's when our foes move.
00:50:05.560Um, we are, we are in a situation where one of our foes is Russia.
00:50:10.460I mean, we are entangled with Russia in North Korea.
00:50:14.120We're entangled with them over ISIS in the Middle East, um, in, in Europe.
00:50:19.780I mean, the president just gave a great speech about not having Europe, not entangled with, uh, Russian oil.
00:50:27.020Um, I am concerned about things like Kim Jong-il.
00:50:32.040Is there something on the horizon that we should watch for and be very careful and watch this administration and how they move?
00:50:40.560Because we know that there might be some deep connections with Russia?
00:50:45.720Well, you know, we just have to look at very carefully what's happening both in, in, uh, in Europe and Ukraine, uh, the Baltic states and also Syria.
00:50:55.900You know, look, people don't realize what a flashpoint Syria is and what a flashpoint Syria could become.
00:51:01.780Because we're, we're moving towards a de facto partition of that country where we're the guardian and protector of our allies.
00:51:09.620Russia is the guardian and protector of their allies.
00:51:12.200And our allies and their allies are often in direct military, military conflict with each other.
00:51:19.780And that requires a very steady hand at the wheel or a steady hand at the, you know, at the, at the helm of the ship of state.
00:51:25.960And this is something where, you know, things like this, where you're realizing, could there have been such inappropriate contacts behind the scenes that even today, there might be some possibility that the Russians have leverage that they shouldn't have.
00:51:41.300That's where it gets very, very troubling because this, this kind of news cycle, if there exists other contacts, this kind of news cycle can erupt again, just at the whim of the Russian state.
00:51:51.440And that's what a lot of people don't realize when they say, oh, well, what's wrong with taking a meeting about opposition research?
00:51:58.500Well, what's wrong with it is that the person who meets with you, in this case, if they're agents of the Russian government, has the information that they met with you.
00:52:05.700They have the knowledge that they met with you.
00:52:07.320And they have the ability to deploy that knowledge at will to harm you.
00:52:12.360And that's, that's just one of the problematic aspects of it.
00:52:15.580But it's a very problematic, problematic aspect when that leverage is on behalf of our chief geopolitical foe.
00:52:22.140I have one more minute to answer this question.
00:52:30.140We're, we're sitting here and looking at the House and the Senate.
00:52:35.140They're trying to get health care through, et cetera, et cetera.
00:52:37.080They're trying to get a bunch of judges through, uh, what do our listeners need to do to not, to have a chance of not losing the House in 2018?
00:52:50.740We, the way we react as the GOP, if we bury this, uh, there is a lot of independents that will say, I want checks and balances on this guy.
00:53:09.240I would say three words, do your jobs, uh, and your jobs include getting through good legislation.
00:53:15.600Cause there's nothing that says that administration chaos can't mean that Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan can't put good legislation on the president's desk that could help Americans.
00:53:24.460And number two, do your job in holding this president accountable.
00:53:27.840Because if you're seen entirely as carrying his water and any positive agenda is stalled while you're carrying his water, to say that that puts the House, makes the House vulnerable and the House majority vulnerable is an understatement.
00:53:50.020Now this over 300 million civilian owned guns are in America.
00:53:54.860Now here's, what's really interesting as the number of guns in America has gone up, gun ownership, legal gun ownership, gone through the roof, gun crime has gone down.
00:54:09.400This is the point that second amendment supporters have been making for a very long time.
00:54:14.100We understand responsible gun ownership is the smart choice.
00:54:18.280Now, a bad guy comes into your house at night and you're protecting yourself from the bad guy.
01:11:45.020The problem with this is, is we're now trying to take the advice of this woman who was in the meeting and saying, no, she says she's not a KGB agent.
01:14:34.140But now we're into something where we have lies involved, just like we did with Clinton and all of the untold consequences that happened because of the Clintons back in the 90s.
01:16:42.120There is a story about a guy who was a Canadian-born Al-Qaeda militant who killed one of our soldiers and blinded another, who just got a $10 million payment from the Canadian courts.
01:17:16.200The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.
01:17:37.840We have a Canadian journalist and broadcaster, Brian Lilly, who was on yesterday with Pat and Stu and also Michael Opelka on the Blaze Radio Network and took us through this story.
01:18:01.520Great, Glenn, and great to talk to you guys any chance I get, but especially on this where you guys are allowing me to reach out to people and say, look, you're angry.
01:18:14.740Take us down and tell us the story of this Canadian-born Al-Qaeda member.
01:18:20.300Yeah, and just off the top, just to make you more angry, I'll just say that you're falling for the same line that a lot of Canadians are falling for in thinking the courts ordered this settlement.
01:18:33.140This was a negotiated settlement with Justin, I've got great hair and socks, Trudeau, our beloved prime minister.
01:18:40.380He is actually the one that has decided that this goes forward.
01:18:43.800But to give you the background, Omar Khadr was born in Toronto back in 1986, I think it was.
01:18:51.480Mostly raised in Pakistan and Afghanistan because his parents didn't think the West was a good influence on him and thought that guys like Osama bin Laden were nicer folks and better influences.
01:19:01.680He literally lived in Osama bin Laden's compound for a while.
01:19:04.920His dad was tight with the Al-Qaeda boss, was one of the financiers to help put together the money for the 9-11 attacks.
01:19:14.820But all the boys at one point or another took up the jihad.
01:19:19.700And so Omar Khadr's 15, 2002, July, he ends up in this compound, four to five hour firefight with the Delta Force that was trying to take it.
01:19:31.220So, I mean, they gave as good as they, if you're taking on Delta Force, you are obviously, you've got some skill as soldiers.
01:19:51.100Omar Khadr throws a grenade that kills Sergeant First Class Christopher Spear and takes the eyesight, and I believe it's the left eye of Sergeant Lane Morris.
01:20:00.980Sometimes, American medics then make sure that Omar Khadr, who was about to bleed out, survives and is given medical treatment.
01:20:10.860Christopher Spear never gets the same medical treatment, but he doesn't survive.
01:20:15.920He's shipped off to Gitmo, spends a bunch of years there, admits to, in a plea deal before the courts, he was facing charges.
01:20:24.440He said, I'll take a plea deal, admits that he was aiding and embedding a terrorist organization, admits he violated the rules of laws of war, admits he killed Christopher Spear, and agrees to serve time in jail.
01:20:36.860Well, he gets transferred back to Canada because Obama wanted him gone and put a lot of pressure on our previous prime minister, the sensible guy, Stephen Harper.
01:20:47.840Harper eventually says, yeah, we'll take him back after a lot of fighting, and then a Canadian court pretty much almost immediately orders him released, and he sues the Canadian government for $20 million.
01:21:00.240And they decide that they're going to settle for $10 and a half for violating his rights while he's at Gitmo.
01:21:08.040How did they violate his rights? How did the Canadian government violate him?
01:21:21.460But they didn't shine any bright lights in his eyes. Tell me that didn't happen.
01:21:25.300No, seriously, what did he claim the Canadian government did?
01:21:32.560Well, because he was in American custody at Gitmo, and he did not face waterboarding, he didn't have jumper cables attached to his junk and electricity sent through,
01:21:47.980but he was part of what was called the frequent flyer program.
01:21:51.020Now, there's a lot of argument about whether that constitutes torture.
01:21:54.940Our courts have never said that. It's enhanced interrogation.
01:21:57.720I don't know what the frequent flyer program is.
01:21:59.860Oh, frequent flyer program. Sorry, that's where they wake you up every few hours and don't let you get a good night's sleep.
01:22:11.060And, you know, this is something that people have been through the military have experienced.
01:22:15.160New parents, college students, they've all experienced this.
01:22:18.020Sure, yeah, you're not feeling great, but it's not torture.
01:22:22.260Michael Ignatius, who used to be an academic before becoming a politician, he'd written about this in early 2000s, that this is just enhanced interrogation.
01:22:34.560But because Canadian officials went down to Gitmo and interviewed him after he had his sleep messed up, they said, well, that's a violation of his rights.
01:22:42.880But they never said you've got to pay him.
01:22:45.520They just said this was part of a previous court action where he wanted to be repatriated from Gitmo to Canada to spend time in a Canadian jail.
01:22:54.340They just said, you go and talk to the Americans and figure something out to make it right.
01:22:58.980But that's all they never said, Pam, but they now they've given him ten and a half million dollars in the kicker.
01:23:05.740Justin Trudeau and his government worked with Cotter's lawyers to speed up the payment to keep it out of the public eye so that it could be shielded from a court action launched by the widow of Christopher Speer.
01:49:48.680He has been predicting bad things for the economy since January.
01:49:52.320He said, I think it was on Monday, actually, that quantitative easing and so much stimulus has made a huge bubble in the U.S. stock market.