The Glenn Beck Program - 7⧸28⧸17 - Why the GOP failed on health care reform ( Bill O'Reilly & Bill Browder Join Glenn)

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00:00:09.100 Boy, there's, you want to talk about the guy who I believe is positioning himself to run for president of the United States

00:00:17.620 and is a guy that continually seems to impress people on both sides of the aisle, and that is Ben Sasse.

00:00:27.720 Yesterday he gave a great speech on the floor of the Senate, and some advice to President Donald Trump.

00:00:36.820 I don't even know what to say while we're there in Washington.

00:00:43.940 They couldn't even get the skinny repeal done of Obamacare.

00:00:49.180 The Republicans are absolutely, 100%, totally worthless.

00:00:54.640 And the reason why John McCain came back, we begin there right now.

00:01:03.360 I will make a stand, I will raise my voice, I will hold your hand, cause we are one.

00:01:13.340 I will be my drum, I have made my choice, we will overcome, cause we are one.

00:01:21.940 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:01:25.980 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:29.540 In 30 minutes, we have something about healthcare that you need to know.

00:01:35.720 I'm tired of waiting around for Congress.

00:01:37.980 What are you going to do?

00:01:39.860 What are we going to do?

00:01:41.500 As a company, how am I going to be able to afford the ever-increasing cost?

00:01:47.160 Cause they're not going to go down.

00:01:48.340 Anything that Republicans even are trying to do are not going to make your healthcare premiums or your deductibles go down.

00:01:56.960 Just not going to happen.

00:01:57.940 They are forcing us into a single-payer system.

00:02:01.720 Well, there is a carve-out.

00:02:03.820 And there is something that you can do about it.

00:02:07.840 And we're going to tell you about it coming up in just about 30 minutes.

00:02:10.740 We have Michael Gardner on.

00:02:12.440 He is the communications director for a new style of healthcare.

00:02:18.460 And I want you to hear about it.

00:02:19.680 It may be very useful for you and your family.

00:02:23.700 So, why did John McCain come back after the diagnosis and the revelation of brain cancer, had a major surgery, and things are bad for John McCain?

00:02:40.220 And I don't want to say anything bad about John McCain, because I do believe he was a patriot back in the 1960s.

00:02:48.740 What he did is still one of the most incredible stories of valor, I think, in the American military.

00:02:56.140 I think what he did in the Hanoi Hilton is something that I know I've already taught my kids.

00:03:04.620 With that being said, that was then.

00:03:07.520 This is now.

00:03:08.280 He is a guy that is a leader of the progressive arm of the Republican Party.

00:03:17.980 And he came back because we now know there were about 14 Republican senators who did not want to go home and say,

00:03:30.760 I voted against the repeal of Obamacare.

00:03:38.280 They needed to be able to keep their promise.

00:03:41.220 They needed a fall guy.

00:03:43.640 And that fall guy was John McCain.

00:03:47.580 Because John McCain, you can't criticize him now.

00:03:50.220 He has brain cancer.

00:03:51.820 You can't criticize him now because everybody's in this.

00:03:55.140 He's an elder statesman.

00:03:56.720 He's got brain cancer.

00:03:57.920 And he's in full-fledged legacy building.

00:04:00.940 If he would die tomorrow, I guarantee you the Republicans would rally around and they would pass some sort of John McCain health care system that would be just as progressive, if not worse, than what the Democrats had.

00:04:19.240 So, John McCain came back and he gave this eloquent speech against, I mean, pretty much everything we stand for.

00:04:28.940 He did say we all have to come together.

00:04:31.320 I'm for coming together.

00:04:32.880 But on what?

00:04:33.920 On principles.

00:04:34.740 He gave this eloquent speech.

00:04:38.000 And Stu will give us an update here in a second because he was up until 2 o'clock in the morning watching this debacle.

00:04:43.540 John McCain is cobbling everybody together.

00:04:46.640 He is not trying to cobble together the Republicans.

00:04:49.480 He's trying to cobble together the Democrats.

00:04:51.740 And he is trying to get the Democrats to write this bill.

00:04:56.840 Please, can we use common sense for a second?

00:04:59.660 It was the Democrats that built this bill.

00:05:04.640 So, I know a lot of Democrats who say, Glenn, there's some good things about Obamacare.

00:05:09.860 Well, I don't agree with you.

00:05:12.940 But this was built as a Trojan horse.

00:05:17.320 It was built to fail.

00:05:21.720 So, we would go into a single-payer system.

00:05:24.380 That's not opinion.

00:05:25.980 That is fact.

00:05:27.160 By one of the designers.

00:05:29.260 And we have it and we've played that audio for years.

00:05:33.080 It's not a Trojan horse.

00:05:34.560 It's right there.

00:05:36.400 Someone once said to me, this is a Trojan horse for a single-payer.

00:05:38.760 And I said, well, it's not a Trojan horse, right?

00:05:40.460 It's just right there.

00:05:41.460 I'm telling you.

00:05:43.000 We're going to get there.

00:05:44.460 Okay.

00:05:44.840 So, it was built for that purpose.

00:05:46.920 So, to include the people who have, let's say they had honest intent.

00:05:52.060 They really thought they were doing the right thing.

00:05:54.600 And they really thought that this was going to bring your premiums down by $2,500.

00:05:59.160 You would save $2,500 a year.

00:06:02.280 Why would you go to those people who were that wrong?

00:06:07.320 Because you have a different agenda.

00:06:09.880 And the agenda is a single-payer system.

00:06:12.700 Because you believe that is right for whatever reason.

00:06:17.620 Because we're going to save the world or we control the power.

00:06:22.040 But that's what's happening.

00:06:24.300 John McCain is right in the center of all of this.

00:06:28.420 Because he's bulletproof at this point.

00:06:32.600 Now, quickly tell me what happened last night around 2 o'clock in the morning.

00:06:36.480 Well, they had a...

00:06:38.160 Hang on, your microphone is...

00:06:39.660 Hello, hello.

00:06:41.180 Pat's microphone, or Stu's microphone is not working.

00:06:43.600 So, let me go to...

00:06:45.740 Let me go someplace else.

00:06:47.620 And then we'll come back to you for the update.

00:06:49.520 While all of this was going on, we had Ben Sasse.

00:06:53.820 Ben Sasse was on the floor yesterday.

00:06:57.720 Ben Sasse was on the floor.

00:06:59.360 And this is what Ben Sasse said.

00:07:01.800 I've come to the floor to keep my promise and to offer a word of humble advice to the president.

00:07:07.720 If you're thinking of making a recess appointment to push out the attorney general, forget about it.

00:07:14.340 The presidency isn't a bull, and this country isn't a China shop.

00:07:21.980 He gave some more advice.

00:07:25.840 And I really want to do the same.

00:07:31.880 Mr. President, the people are hurting.

00:07:36.260 They are really, really hurting.

00:07:38.680 They trusted you to be able to bring their cost of health care down.

00:07:46.140 The reason why health care is so expensive is because of government and big business collusion.

00:07:55.520 It is not because we need more government.

00:07:58.320 It is because the government is colluding with business.

00:08:02.540 We need less government.

00:08:04.320 And we need to punish those businesses that were colluding, were intentionally jacking up prices because they could, because you were giving them benefits.

00:08:18.600 That's what the American people want.

00:08:20.880 The American people want their health care costs to come down.

00:08:23.840 And the American people also really want to take care of people who don't have health care, who can't for some reason or another.

00:08:33.580 Not the people who are just like, you know what, I'm just going to write poetry on the beach, and that's what I'm going to do.

00:08:40.720 Well, good.

00:08:41.240 And if a whale comes and beaches on top of you and breaks all of your bones, you made the choice to be a deadbeat on the beach, you had the opportunity, you wouldn't work for it.

00:08:56.600 If you're not trying at all, if you have no skin in the game at all, I can't help you.

00:09:04.980 And I don't think Americans want to help you.

00:09:07.040 We might feel bad for you, we will carry you off on the beach, and we might even help you reset your bones.

00:09:15.980 But we're not going to pay for it, because you made the choice.

00:09:21.160 Now, those who don't have health care because of pre-existing conditions, who are working their brains out and can't make ends meet,

00:09:28.880 they've done everything, they're playing by the rules, but they don't have the talent, or they don't have the job,

00:09:34.480 or they don't have the aptitude to be able to make enough money, to be able to afford health care,

00:09:41.380 because government has made it unaffordable for so many people, we're going to help those people.

00:09:48.820 Why can't we get there?

00:09:50.780 Because that's not the game they're playing in Washington.

00:09:53.000 That's not what they're doing.

00:09:57.020 And if Donald Trump wants to fulfill his promises,

00:10:01.240 that's the conversation he should be having with the American people and with the GOP.

00:10:07.260 He should be excoriating both sides.

00:10:10.820 But he just wants a deal done, because he's a winner.

00:10:15.140 And he wants to win.

00:10:17.440 And he wants to be tired of winning.

00:10:19.420 So he just wants a deal.

00:10:22.980 That's not what leadership does.

00:10:26.940 We hired you, Mr. President, because you are the deal maker.

00:10:31.280 You're the guy that can bring everybody to the table and get something done.

00:10:36.640 You haven't done that.

00:10:39.440 And it requires a leader not just to come in.

00:10:42.340 A leader is not a mediator.

00:10:44.700 A leader is not somebody who is neutral and just says,

00:10:49.280 come on now, guys, let's get something done.

00:10:51.420 A leader says, this is where we're going.

00:10:55.800 And, Mr. President, you haven't put that dot on the horizon.

00:11:00.780 Your dot is just to repeal or replace,

00:11:07.700 skinny bundle, all of it, none of it,

00:11:11.540 have more, have less.

00:11:13.400 That's not leadership.

00:11:17.120 And what's lacking in the GOP

00:11:19.580 is what?

00:11:22.860 They told us that they needed to have

00:11:25.220 the Congress,

00:11:26.940 they needed to have the Senate,

00:11:28.820 and they needed to have the White House.

00:11:31.300 We've given all of that.

00:11:33.060 And then, because Donald Trump

00:11:35.180 is Donald Trump,

00:11:36.580 he's given the American people

00:11:38.980 and the GOP an extra bonus.

00:11:41.500 He has given them

00:11:43.600 a distracted press.

00:11:46.220 If Donald Trump was buttoned up,

00:11:48.420 had Ted Cruz won,

00:11:51.140 we would not be having,

00:11:52.800 we would have no distractions.

00:11:54.920 The press would be all 100%.

00:11:57.460 Look at how many people

00:11:59.280 they want to die on the streets.

00:12:02.220 Trying to repeal

00:12:03.620 or reform Obamacare

00:12:05.200 would be nonstop,

00:12:07.060 24-7 coverage

00:12:08.760 about how evil Republicans

00:12:10.860 are because they want

00:12:12.320 everyone to have cancer.

00:12:14.900 In fact,

00:12:15.500 they are going to the hospitals

00:12:16.920 and taking blood

00:12:18.200 out of cancer patients.

00:12:20.020 And they're putting it

00:12:20.960 into little babies.

00:12:23.000 That's what the coverage

00:12:24.260 would be now.

00:12:25.360 But because Donald Trump,

00:12:28.000 either by

00:12:28.860 hook,

00:12:30.800 or by crook,

00:12:32.000 or by

00:12:33.180 ineptitude,

00:12:35.700 what's happening?

00:12:38.160 They're distracted.

00:12:40.460 So what are they missing?

00:12:42.160 What do they need

00:12:43.120 this time?

00:12:45.000 Mr. President,

00:12:45.940 here's what they need.

00:12:47.200 A leader.

00:12:48.700 They need one

00:12:49.860 person

00:12:50.540 to say,

00:12:52.940 this is where

00:12:53.900 we're going.

00:12:56.580 This is the point

00:12:58.040 on the horizon.

00:12:58.920 This is what America

00:13:01.520 really is.

00:13:03.300 This is compassion

00:13:04.400 and this is

00:13:06.280 clean capitalism.

00:13:09.200 The only thing

00:13:10.460 we lack in Washington

00:13:11.380 is one

00:13:13.160 focused leader.

00:13:15.740 The GOP

00:13:16.620 has everything

00:13:17.820 they need

00:13:18.620 to pass.

00:13:19.900 They won't.

00:13:22.180 They continue

00:13:23.300 to shoot themselves

00:13:24.560 in the legs.

00:13:26.020 And it will

00:13:26.800 continue forever.

00:13:29.040 We will

00:13:29.560 defund

00:13:30.480 the GOP

00:13:31.200 and the DNC.

00:13:32.540 Don't give

00:13:33.000 either of them

00:13:33.700 a single dime.

00:13:35.560 Back in a second,

00:13:36.560 we'll give you

00:13:36.980 an update

00:13:37.340 on what happened

00:13:38.440 last night.

00:13:39.920 And then,

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00:16:33.900 Okay,

00:16:34.760 welcome to the

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00:16:35.680 So,

00:16:35.920 Stu stayed up

00:16:36.580 last night

00:16:37.160 to actually

00:16:38.500 watch the

00:16:42.840 healthcare bill

00:16:43.540 just go down

00:16:44.060 in flames

00:16:44.900 yet again.

00:16:45.800 They've tried

00:16:46.140 everything now.

00:16:47.260 Tell me what

00:16:47.620 happened.

00:16:48.040 It was amazing.

00:16:48.580 They thought it

00:16:48.920 was going to

00:16:49.200 pass.

00:16:49.560 Absolutely.

00:16:50.320 And they

00:16:50.860 decided to

00:16:51.780 bring,

00:16:52.060 they had a

00:16:52.340 couple votes

00:16:52.800 they had to

00:16:53.120 get through.

00:16:53.700 The first

00:16:54.200 vote was

00:16:54.620 something the

00:16:54.980 Democrats

00:16:55.300 wanted,

00:16:55.720 which was

00:16:55.940 basically to

00:16:56.440 start the

00:16:56.780 process over

00:16:57.520 again,

00:16:57.900 send it back

00:16:58.300 to committee.

00:16:59.180 Everyone knew

00:16:59.660 that was going

00:17:00.020 to fail because

00:17:01.180 the Republicans

00:17:01.640 wanted to pass

00:17:02.120 it through.

00:17:02.440 So,

00:17:02.600 they started

00:17:03.080 approaching this

00:17:04.400 vote,

00:17:05.000 which was going

00:17:05.540 to give you

00:17:06.580 this skinny

00:17:07.040 repeal.

00:17:07.860 Now,

00:17:08.040 skinny repeal,

00:17:09.400 despite the

00:17:10.160 Democrats'

00:17:10.840 claims that it

00:17:11.500 was essentially

00:17:12.020 genocide,

00:17:13.180 number one,

00:17:14.000 basically all it

00:17:15.160 did was get rid

00:17:15.680 of the individual

00:17:16.140 mandate.

00:17:16.940 I mean,

00:17:17.140 they had a

00:17:17.440 couple of other

00:17:18.020 taxes that were

00:17:18.660 delayed for a

00:17:19.440 few years,

00:17:19.880 like the

00:17:20.320 medical device

00:17:21.240 tax and the

00:17:21.900 Cadillac tax

00:17:22.760 and a couple

00:17:23.140 of other

00:17:23.440 things.

00:17:24.100 There were a

00:17:24.300 couple of

00:17:24.540 other regulations,

00:17:25.340 but I mean,

00:17:25.800 when you talk

00:17:26.240 skinny,

00:17:26.620 it was really

00:17:27.140 skinny.

00:17:27.900 I want to

00:17:28.240 say there's

00:17:28.540 four,

00:17:29.100 someone posted

00:17:30.100 something that

00:17:30.540 was 419

00:17:31.640 sections of

00:17:32.400 Obamacare that

00:17:33.220 exist,

00:17:33.940 and this repealed

00:17:34.620 eight of the

00:17:35.940 419.

00:17:36.480 And they

00:17:36.720 couldn't even

00:17:37.000 get that done.

00:17:37.500 They couldn't

00:17:37.740 even get that

00:17:38.160 done.

00:17:39.100 But they

00:17:39.600 thought they

00:17:39.980 had it done.

00:17:40.960 And when I

00:17:41.600 say have it

00:17:42.940 done,

00:17:43.180 it's not going

00:17:43.640 to be law.

00:17:44.420 All it was

00:17:44.980 going to do

00:17:45.340 was send it

00:17:48.660 They couldn't

00:17:49.960 even come up

00:17:51.340 with a bill

00:17:52.180 to send to

00:17:53.580 committee.

00:17:54.400 That's it.

00:17:54.900 So they

00:17:55.220 weren't even

00:17:55.700 trying to

00:17:56.200 pass this

00:17:56.700 law.

00:17:57.440 They just

00:17:57.980 wanted to

00:17:58.300 get it to

00:17:58.800 the conversation

00:17:59.680 in which they

00:18:00.300 could try to

00:18:00.700 come up with

00:18:01.100 something with

00:18:01.620 the House.

00:18:02.420 And that was

00:18:02.840 something that

00:18:03.200 was so overt

00:18:03.920 that Lindsey

00:18:04.440 Graham and

00:18:04.920 John McCain

00:18:05.480 and others

00:18:05.940 came out

00:18:06.360 yesterday and

00:18:06.900 said,

00:18:07.480 hey, we

00:18:08.620 think the

00:18:09.200 law, the

00:18:09.800 skinny repeal

00:18:10.380 thing is a

00:18:10.880 disaster.

00:18:11.860 We don't

00:18:12.600 want it as

00:18:13.060 law.

00:18:13.440 The only way

00:18:14.100 I'll vote for

00:18:14.840 it is if the

00:18:15.600 House promises

00:18:16.460 that they won't

00:18:17.460 just approve it.

00:18:18.660 Because we

00:18:19.300 want to

00:18:19.620 just go to

00:18:19.940 committee.

00:18:20.240 That's how

00:18:20.600 overt they

00:18:21.100 were about

00:18:21.440 this process.

00:18:22.280 So I got

00:18:22.960 an email from

00:18:23.880 somebody in

00:18:24.540 D.C. at

00:18:25.420 2.07 a.m.

00:18:28.940 Extremely

00:18:29.380 lame leadership.

00:18:31.160 Mitch McConnell

00:18:31.920 needs to

00:18:32.740 urgently be

00:18:34.300 replaced.

00:18:36.280 I mean, you

00:18:36.820 know what?

00:18:37.120 Because you

00:18:37.460 pushed a lot

00:18:38.480 on, you made

00:18:40.060 points on

00:18:40.460 Trump which

00:18:40.840 were totally

00:18:41.440 valid.

00:18:41.940 I mean, I

00:18:42.160 think him

00:18:42.540 giving you the

00:18:43.440 distraction is a

00:18:44.200 real benefit.

00:18:45.500 Oh my gosh.

00:18:46.060 Now is the

00:18:46.840 GOP.

00:18:47.860 Now is the

00:18:48.540 time.

00:18:49.620 He's got

00:18:50.240 everybody

00:18:50.720 distracted.

00:18:51.880 Yeah.

00:18:52.420 And so the

00:18:53.520 failure here,

00:18:54.320 because they

00:18:54.720 went in, they

00:18:55.420 thought they

00:18:55.700 were going to

00:18:55.880 have a pass.

00:18:56.720 John McCain,

00:18:57.520 who comes in

00:18:58.540 Mr. Legacy

00:18:59.300 building as a

00:19:00.540 hero to has the

00:19:01.340 50th vote to get

00:19:02.100 it to this point,

00:19:02.940 comes in and

00:19:03.920 crashes the thing

00:19:04.920 because nobody

00:19:05.240 can criticize him.

00:19:05.900 You're totally

00:19:06.320 right on that.

00:19:07.400 But like here

00:19:08.180 is a point where

00:19:09.540 they can do

00:19:10.460 really anything

00:19:11.960 they want.

00:19:12.840 It is the

00:19:13.460 old car ads.

00:19:14.940 My boss is

00:19:15.880 out of town

00:19:16.660 for the week.

00:19:17.500 And so I'm

00:19:18.400 cutting the

00:19:18.820 prices.

00:19:19.680 Things are

00:19:20.160 crazy here.

00:19:21.500 He's going to

00:19:21.900 be pissed when

00:19:22.560 he gets home.

00:19:23.180 I might lose

00:19:23.860 my job.

00:19:25.180 That's exactly

00:19:26.240 what the GOP

00:19:27.340 has.

00:19:27.880 The boss

00:19:28.900 doesn't care.

00:19:30.480 He'll sign it.

00:19:31.380 He will sign

00:19:32.460 whatever you

00:19:33.140 have.

00:19:34.100 He doesn't

00:19:34.860 care.

00:19:35.340 And he's got

00:19:36.680 not only him,

00:19:37.740 but all of the

00:19:38.960 stupid reporters

00:19:40.040 that are following

00:19:41.020 him, all

00:19:42.400 paying attention

00:19:43.120 to him.

00:19:43.680 All looking

00:19:44.040 the other way.

00:19:44.660 Watch the

00:19:44.860 other hand.

00:19:45.600 There's nothing.

00:19:46.320 The other hand

00:19:46.820 is in the pocket.

00:19:47.680 You want this

00:19:48.060 brand new Mercedes

00:19:48.660 for $9,000?

00:19:50.080 Here's the time

00:19:50.840 you can do it.

00:19:51.440 There's no one

00:19:52.100 stopping you.

00:19:52.760 So clearly,

00:19:53.860 and we have no

00:19:54.400 problem criticizing

00:19:55.200 Donald Trump on

00:19:55.840 this show.

00:19:56.160 We've done it

00:19:56.640 many, many times.

00:19:57.440 This is the

00:19:58.280 fault of Congress.

00:19:59.260 He has given

00:20:00.500 them a gift.

00:20:01.700 The biggest gift

00:20:02.900 in our lifetime.

00:20:04.940 The press isn't

00:20:05.720 paying attention.

00:20:07.180 And you can't

00:20:07.800 do anything.

00:20:09.300 A real solution

00:20:10.860 that will affect

00:20:11.820 your pocketbook

00:20:12.660 tomorrow.

00:20:14.580 Next.

00:20:16.640 The Glenn Beck

00:20:18.140 Program.

00:20:19.600 Mercury.

00:20:23.780 The Glenn Beck

00:20:25.600 Program.

00:20:27.740 By the way,

00:20:28.540 if you think

00:20:29.020 House of Cards

00:20:29.820 is true to life

00:20:30.920 to Washington,

00:20:32.220 D.C.,

00:20:32.820 watch Game of

00:20:33.840 Thrones.

00:20:34.980 That is much

00:20:36.280 more like

00:20:36.900 Washington, D.C.,

00:20:38.020 I think,

00:20:38.600 than House of

00:20:39.260 Cards.

00:20:39.540 If you are

00:20:41.360 having a

00:20:42.260 problem with

00:20:43.200 your deductible,

00:20:44.600 I can't tell you

00:20:45.460 how many people

00:20:46.320 are in this

00:20:47.300 audience that

00:20:47.860 now have a

00:20:48.600 $5,000,

00:20:49.060 $6,000,

00:20:49.480 $10,000

00:20:50.540 deductible

00:20:51.320 and are still

00:20:52.200 paying $1,000

00:20:53.200 to $2,000

00:20:54.220 a month

00:20:55.160 in medical

00:20:55.880 insurance.

00:20:57.120 It's just,

00:20:57.980 it's unworkable.

00:20:59.660 There is one

00:21:00.660 carve-out

00:21:01.400 in Obamacare,

00:21:03.780 and Michael

00:21:04.560 Gardner is the

00:21:05.260 communications director

00:21:06.140 for something

00:21:06.620 called MediShare.

00:21:07.700 Now, this is

00:21:08.680 not insurance,

00:21:10.880 but it has

00:21:11.980 been around

00:21:12.440 now since

00:21:12.920 1993,

00:21:14.600 and the

00:21:15.200 average monthly

00:21:16.160 cost for a

00:21:16.880 family is

00:21:17.480 about $350.

00:21:20.080 There are

00:21:20.940 300,000

00:21:22.360 MediShare

00:21:22.860 members across

00:21:23.660 the country.

00:21:25.860 Since their

00:21:26.420 inception in

00:21:26.960 1993,

00:21:28.000 members have

00:21:28.460 shared more

00:21:28.940 than $1.2

00:21:29.940 billion in

00:21:31.220 medical expenses,

00:21:33.400 and they have

00:21:34.320 a network of

00:21:35.140 700,000 medical

00:21:36.360 providers,

00:21:38.200 $350 a

00:21:41.140 month is the

00:21:42.000 average cost.

00:21:42.820 For a family?

00:21:43.960 That is insane.

00:21:45.420 So, let's go to

00:21:46.860 Michael Gardner.

00:21:47.800 Hello, Michael.

00:21:48.400 How are you?

00:21:49.340 Hello.

00:21:49.760 I'm great, Glenn.

00:21:50.340 Good morning.

00:21:51.340 Tell us about

00:21:53.140 how this works

00:21:54.500 and how we

00:21:55.460 can help you

00:21:56.380 and where

00:21:57.180 you're the

00:21:57.640 strongest in

00:21:58.400 the country.

00:21:59.600 Sure.

00:22:00.260 Well,

00:22:00.600 MediShare is a

00:22:01.520 healthcare sharing

00:22:02.380 program,

00:22:03.340 and it's based

00:22:04.120 upon the idea

00:22:04.780 of people

00:22:05.140 coming together

00:22:05.840 in community

00:22:06.540 to share one

00:22:07.220 another's medical

00:22:07.880 bills.

00:22:08.320 And so you

00:22:08.600 mentioned we

00:22:09.100 have 300,000

00:22:10.400 members all

00:22:10.880 across the

00:22:11.640 country who

00:22:12.140 have been

00:22:12.340 doing that,

00:22:13.240 and it

00:22:14.860 keeps the

00:22:15.440 cost very

00:22:17.220 low, as you

00:22:17.740 said.

00:22:18.100 It's very

00:22:18.400 affordable,

00:22:18.920 around $350

00:22:19.720 for a family.

00:22:21.620 And we can

00:22:22.560 talk a little

00:22:22.900 bit more about

00:22:23.300 how it works.

00:22:25.060 Okay, so let's

00:22:26.060 do that.

00:22:26.500 So I don't

00:22:27.340 really think that

00:22:28.080 there's a difference.

00:22:28.500 I know there is

00:22:29.120 legally, but I

00:22:30.520 think this is the

00:22:31.340 idea of insurance.

00:22:32.360 We all pool

00:22:33.520 together and

00:22:34.500 share each other's

00:22:35.540 burdens, because

00:22:36.140 we're not all

00:22:36.980 going to have

00:22:37.480 cancer.

00:22:38.720 We're all going

00:22:39.200 to have problems

00:22:39.880 from time to

00:22:40.380 time, but we

00:22:41.340 can all do it

00:22:42.040 together.

00:22:42.520 So tell me

00:22:42.980 exactly how it

00:22:43.760 works.

00:22:44.300 Sure.

00:22:44.780 Here's one of the

00:22:45.620 things that we

00:22:46.200 point out is that

00:22:46.920 it's not insurance,

00:22:47.660 and here's why.

00:22:48.600 This is based upon

00:22:49.560 the idea of direct

00:22:50.680 voluntary member-to-member

00:22:52.060 sharing.

00:22:52.720 So I mentioned the

00:22:54.020 fact that this is

00:22:54.560 based on a community,

00:22:55.380 and it really truly is,

00:22:56.680 because I know each

00:22:58.300 month who it is I'm

00:22:59.640 sharing with.

00:23:00.260 So I'll actually get

00:23:01.080 a notification that

00:23:01.940 says, you've shared

00:23:02.740 this month, along with

00:23:04.040 maybe 50 other people

00:23:05.100 in the community, to

00:23:06.320 meet this person's

00:23:07.280 $100,000 medical need.

00:23:09.120 And the great thing is

00:23:09.980 that I can reach out to

00:23:10.960 that person, I can send

00:23:12.220 them a note of

00:23:12.780 encouragement, I can let

00:23:13.800 them know that I'm

00:23:15.120 praying for them, and I

00:23:16.980 also know people that

00:23:18.020 share with me, should I

00:23:19.180 have a need, and those

00:23:20.160 people can communicate

00:23:20.880 with me.

00:23:21.480 So this is quite

00:23:22.380 different from insurance

00:23:23.100 for a couple reasons.

00:23:24.080 You know, the money's

00:23:24.560 not pooled, like I said,

00:23:25.540 it's direct member-to-member

00:23:26.600 sharing, my sharing

00:23:28.260 account to your sharing

00:23:29.060 account, and people can

00:23:30.620 actually communicate with

00:23:31.460 one another.

00:23:31.920 We obviously don't give

00:23:33.000 protected health

00:23:33.700 information away, so I

00:23:34.640 don't know exactly what

00:23:35.840 that person needs unless

00:23:36.780 they choose to disclose

00:23:37.640 it to me, but I can

00:23:38.740 communicate with them, and

00:23:39.660 our members really do

00:23:40.640 value that sense of

00:23:41.420 community.

00:23:42.360 We're a faith-based

00:23:42.940 organization, and so,

00:23:44.060 you know, the two common

00:23:44.800 denominators and things

00:23:46.560 that members really value

00:23:47.620 are faith and the fact

00:23:48.740 that they can come

00:23:49.260 together in community to

00:23:50.240 support one another.

00:23:51.500 Okay, so this isn't like

00:23:52.760 a crowd-sourcing funding

00:23:54.800 like, hey, I've got

00:23:56.800 cancer and I've got to

00:23:58.160 make a case to the

00:23:59.120 group.

00:24:01.460 Everybody can pull

00:24:03.020 into this pool if they

00:24:05.160 have a problem, and then

00:24:07.840 the members are notified.

00:24:10.360 You know, it's not like

00:24:11.080 you're voting every month

00:24:12.680 or you're having to be

00:24:14.480 sold which person to

00:24:15.960 help, right?

00:24:17.020 You're right.

00:24:17.620 I think that's, I think,

00:24:18.280 one of the common

00:24:18.820 misconceptions about the

00:24:19.880 way healthcare sharing

00:24:20.740 programs work is that,

00:24:22.040 you know, there's somebody

00:24:22.660 in a back office who's

00:24:23.560 looking at a bill and on

00:24:24.820 a whim decides whether or

00:24:25.920 not it should be shared.

00:24:26.500 That's not the case at

00:24:27.380 all.

00:24:27.960 Our sharing program is

00:24:29.160 governed by member

00:24:29.860 voted guidelines, so

00:24:30.780 members do have a say in

00:24:32.120 what's shareable and what's

00:24:33.020 not shareable, and so

00:24:34.600 changes to those

00:24:36.100 guidelines require a vote

00:24:37.360 by the members, but that's

00:24:39.360 how basically bills are

00:24:40.860 processed.

00:24:41.840 So you might get a

00:24:44.840 notification and you're

00:24:45.860 all voting on, let's say,

00:24:48.020 we're not going to share

00:24:49.640 facelifts, but if somebody's

00:24:54.940 coming from war and they

00:24:56.740 need, you know, some sort

00:24:59.540 of plastic surgery, we're

00:25:01.520 going to cover that, and

00:25:02.480 you would vote on those

00:25:03.820 kinds of rules.

00:25:05.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:25:05.800 As widespread changes to

00:25:07.420 the guidelines, you know,

00:25:08.100 the guidelines are

00:25:08.640 published, they're available

00:25:09.640 on our website, anyone can

00:25:11.420 take a look at them prior to

00:25:13.220 joining and becoming a

00:25:14.360 member so they understand

00:25:15.180 how the program works, and

00:25:16.880 we have people here who

00:25:17.620 can talk to anybody and

00:25:18.980 help them understand what

00:25:20.040 this would look like for

00:25:20.820 their particular family

00:25:22.120 situation.

00:25:23.000 Okay, so you have, it

00:25:24.120 says, an extensive network

00:25:25.720 of more than 700,000

00:25:26.900 providers.

00:25:27.980 Is that a lot?

00:25:28.760 That sounds small.

00:25:29.840 I think you can go

00:25:31.700 anywhere, right?

00:25:32.440 It's just you have a

00:25:33.140 specific network that

00:25:34.240 you're, you know, kind of

00:25:35.000 a preferred network.

00:25:36.240 That's right.

00:25:36.920 That's absolutely right.

00:25:37.640 Yes, you really can see

00:25:38.820 any provider that you want,

00:25:39.960 whether they're in that

00:25:40.780 network or not.

00:25:41.420 The benefit of choosing

00:25:42.560 a network provider is

00:25:43.520 obviously that your

00:25:44.180 out-of-pocket costs would

00:25:45.220 be lower for choosing a

00:25:46.480 provider.

00:25:46.780 So, Michael, why isn't

00:25:49.620 this everywhere?

00:25:50.660 I mean, because I'm going

00:25:52.140 to join just because

00:25:53.480 $350 a month, I just

00:25:57.120 want to help people pay

00:25:58.640 for their health care.

00:26:00.460 Why wouldn't I be doing

00:26:02.980 this as a company instead

00:26:04.280 of the stupid stuff that

00:26:05.800 I'm doing right now?

00:26:06.760 Why wouldn't I, as a

00:26:07.860 company, just sign

00:26:08.920 everybody up for this?

00:26:10.240 Right.

00:26:10.780 We can talk to, if any of

00:26:13.040 your listeners are out

00:26:13.720 there and want to look at

00:26:14.640 this as an option, that's

00:26:15.780 the great thing about

00:26:16.500 MediShare is I think a

00:26:17.400 lot of, there are

00:26:17.880 probably thousands of

00:26:18.640 people listening right

00:26:19.320 now who feel trapped or

00:26:20.960 like they, you know, they

00:26:21.640 have a very narrow choice.

00:26:23.500 MediShare really offers a

00:26:24.460 great option.

00:26:25.400 As you mentioned, you know,

00:26:26.520 you can choose your

00:26:28.160 monthly amount based upon

00:26:29.540 the level of financial

00:26:30.500 responsibility that you

00:26:31.680 want to take on.

00:26:32.380 So, there are lots of

00:26:33.040 different options and I can

00:26:33.960 say, you know, for my

00:26:35.140 family, I want to, I want

00:26:36.780 to, you know, have a

00:26:37.920 lower monthly cost and so I

00:26:39.060 can choose a $5,000

00:26:41.380 annual household portion.

00:26:42.680 And that means that I

00:26:43.600 know I'm going to pay the

00:26:44.720 first $5,000 of my own

00:26:46.220 bills before the rest of

00:26:47.900 the members join in

00:26:49.000 sharing.

00:26:49.400 And so, people can really

00:26:50.460 tailor this.

00:26:51.500 So, I'm not really sure

00:26:52.580 why it's not more

00:26:53.820 widespread.

00:26:54.600 We're just, you know, we're

00:26:55.420 thankful to help get the

00:26:56.180 word out about it as a

00:26:57.180 viable option that really

00:26:58.180 does work.

00:26:59.220 Hang on just one thing.

00:27:00.460 Do you do company plans?

00:27:02.920 We can, we do have

00:27:04.240 options available for

00:27:05.460 churches, non-profit

00:27:07.140 groups, those types of

00:27:08.160 things as well.

00:27:08.920 Remember, we're a faith-based

00:27:09.840 community and so there is a

00:27:11.060 statement of faith that

00:27:11.840 members do need to, to

00:27:13.540 agree with, to join.

00:27:14.600 And so, that would, that

00:27:16.660 may limit this for some

00:27:17.620 people, but certainly it's

00:27:18.500 an option for, for people

00:27:19.820 as well.

00:27:20.460 Because that would be the

00:27:21.240 thing if you're applying it

00:27:22.080 to a whole company.

00:27:22.860 Not everyone who works at

00:27:24.340 this company necessarily is,

00:27:26.180 is, is someone who.

00:27:27.300 Yeah, but boy, oh boy,

00:27:27.920 could I, I mean, we're a

00:27:28.820 faith-based, we're a

00:27:29.740 faith-based company.

00:27:31.800 I mean, you know, one of

00:27:32.740 our principles is the

00:27:33.760 company is owned by God,

00:27:35.040 not by us.

00:27:35.740 We're working for him.

00:27:37.200 Right.

00:27:37.400 I mean, so.

00:27:38.720 Right, but still, when

00:27:39.480 you're talking about

00:27:39.860 individual play, there's

00:27:41.120 obviously lines there.

00:27:42.460 Is it true that there,

00:27:44.300 there are certain

00:27:45.240 restrictions on your

00:27:46.340 actual behavior?

00:27:47.280 When you say like a

00:27:47.960 statement of faith, like

00:27:48.780 you would say, I thought

00:27:50.320 I remember reading

00:27:50.960 something like you

00:27:51.780 shouldn't be drinking,

00:27:53.120 for example, or certain

00:27:54.460 behaviors that you would

00:27:55.420 want to limit as part of

00:27:57.280 joining something like

00:27:58.160 this.

00:27:58.840 Sure, yeah, there are

00:27:59.640 certain lifestyle guidelines

00:28:01.120 that we ask people to

00:28:01.920 abide by as well.

00:28:03.200 Refraining from, from any

00:28:04.280 kind of tobacco use is one

00:28:05.480 of them.

00:28:06.180 Making sure that people

00:28:07.100 don't abuse alcohol or

00:28:08.600 prescription drugs or

00:28:09.620 use illegal drugs.

00:28:11.200 So certainly there are

00:28:12.040 some, some lifestyle

00:28:12.720 guidelines, including

00:28:13.600 those that we do ask

00:28:14.700 our members to abide.

00:28:15.760 What is the difference?

00:28:16.600 But quite honestly, I

00:28:18.600 would rather have the

00:28:19.700 choice to say I'm going

00:28:20.960 to limit tobacco or

00:28:22.680 alcohol.

00:28:23.160 So no abuse of alcohol.

00:28:25.560 I'd rather have the

00:28:26.560 choice to do that as a

00:28:28.040 free member of society

00:28:29.500 than have what's

00:28:30.940 happening.

00:28:31.340 We just talked about

00:28:31.980 yesterday with the NIH

00:28:32.980 where they say, oh,

00:28:34.760 your BMI is, uh, you

00:28:37.440 know, uh, over.

00:28:38.660 So no hip replacement

00:28:39.820 for you.

00:28:40.460 Oh, you've smoked.

00:28:41.540 So no, and you have no

00:28:42.860 other choice.

00:28:44.420 There's a lot of people.

00:28:45.580 I mean, if look, if you

00:28:47.800 are struggling and you

00:28:49.280 have a $5,000 deductible

00:28:51.220 and a, you know, uh, a

00:28:53.780 $1,500 a month, uh, payment

00:28:55.920 and it's the choice between

00:28:57.800 your cigarettes and your

00:28:59.440 children being able to

00:29:01.100 survive or be thrown on to

00:29:03.980 Obamacare, my gosh, am I

00:29:06.040 giving up those cigarettes

00:29:06.960 to do this?

00:29:09.120 I mean, what are your

00:29:09.820 priorities, honestly?

00:29:11.480 Right.

00:29:11.680 And you know, that, that

00:29:12.800 savings is really, uh, we

00:29:14.360 hear lots of stories from

00:29:15.260 members and, you know,

00:29:15.940 we've had members who've,

00:29:17.260 who've had stage four

00:29:18.280 cancer.

00:29:18.720 We've had, you know, uh,

00:29:20.000 there's some stories on

00:29:20.700 our website, a young boy

00:29:21.600 who needed an emergency

00:29:22.860 appendectomy, um, a baby

00:29:24.860 born with spina bifida.

00:29:25.800 We've had individual needs

00:29:27.100 of more than a million

00:29:27.940 dollars each.

00:29:28.900 Uh, you know, so they're

00:29:30.000 really significant needs

00:29:30.940 that are being met, um, all

00:29:32.620 while people were able to

00:29:33.400 experience this savings

00:29:34.520 monthly, you know, we're

00:29:35.300 hearing about, you know,

00:29:36.140 a cost savings of 500 or

00:29:37.620 $600 a month, um, over

00:29:39.820 alternatives.

00:29:40.300 But the really great thing

00:29:41.640 that we hear from people is

00:29:42.460 about what they do with

00:29:43.520 that savings.

00:29:44.320 You know, this is a

00:29:44.860 community and people are

00:29:45.680 able to take that savings

00:29:46.860 and, you know, we've had

00:29:47.880 people say, I started my

00:29:49.220 own small business.

00:29:49.920 I didn't think I was going

00:29:50.720 to be able to do that.

00:29:51.720 Um, you know, I've had

00:29:52.460 another child.

00:29:53.100 I didn't think I was going

00:29:53.780 to be able to do that

00:29:54.480 because of financial

00:29:55.200 limitations or, you know,

00:29:56.560 I've, I've decided to go

00:29:57.600 into ministry or to, um,

00:29:59.540 adopt a child.

00:30:00.200 So it's, it's really the

00:30:01.340 impact that people were

00:30:02.220 able to have when, when,

00:30:03.700 you know, you free up that

00:30:04.820 money so that they can do

00:30:05.720 better things for the

00:30:06.540 kingdom and for the

00:30:07.160 community.

00:30:07.860 I would like to encourage

00:30:09.480 you to, if you could go

00:30:12.360 to this, um, to, um, if

00:30:15.480 you're saving $600, save

00:30:17.800 five and put an extra

00:30:20.120 a hundred dollars in to be

00:30:22.980 able to, um, help the

00:30:25.140 people that, no, I mean,

00:30:26.420 if you're, if you have the

00:30:28.160 option, uh, and you're

00:30:29.740 saving $600 a month, that

00:30:32.880 is so much money, take 25

00:30:35.000 of it.

00:30:35.840 And can they buy into a

00:30:37.460 bigger option or a bigger

00:30:38.680 plan or something that

00:30:39.760 would actually help put

00:30:41.040 more money into the

00:30:42.060 coffers to be able to share

00:30:44.200 the burden?

00:30:45.420 We do have members who

00:30:46.600 choose to do that.

00:30:47.240 We have a program called

00:30:48.000 extra blessings.

00:30:48.700 And so people do make

00:30:49.960 contributions voluntarily to

00:30:51.400 that, uh, to help cover,

00:30:52.840 um, other needs that

00:30:54.000 members may have as well.

00:30:55.140 Absolutely.

00:30:55.700 That's fantastic.

00:30:56.400 Can you talk a little bit

00:30:57.480 about how, uh, because

00:30:58.960 people would say, well,

00:30:59.820 if you're not insured,

00:31:00.640 you're, you're violating

00:31:01.820 Obamacare and you're

00:31:02.820 breaking the rules that

00:31:04.420 you, this is one of the

00:31:05.800 one good sentences in

00:31:07.760 Obamacare breaks out an

00:31:09.740 exemption for organizations

00:31:11.300 like yours.

00:31:11.920 Can you talk about that a

00:31:12.560 little bit?

00:31:13.200 Sure.

00:31:13.480 Yeah, it is.

00:31:14.340 It is good for, for

00:31:15.180 healthcare sharing

00:31:15.620 ministries, because, uh,

00:31:17.020 if you're a member of a

00:31:17.800 healthcare sharing

00:31:18.320 ministry, you know, the

00:31:19.360 individual mandate says

00:31:20.240 you need to have some

00:31:20.920 sort of healthcare coverage.

00:31:21.860 And while MediShare is

00:31:22.680 not insurance, there is a

00:31:24.020 provision in the

00:31:24.580 affordable care act that

00:31:25.500 says being a member of a

00:31:27.000 healthcare sharing

00:31:28.320 ministry meets that

00:31:29.600 requirement.

00:31:30.140 And so you're not subject

00:31:31.080 to those financial

00:31:31.840 penalties as well.

00:31:32.900 So that's another, another

00:31:34.000 great thing for members.

00:31:35.320 One more thing, because

00:31:36.160 I've heard this a million

00:31:37.040 times when people talk

00:31:38.040 about MediShare and other

00:31:38.980 similar types of services,

00:31:40.440 they say, wait a minute,

00:31:42.980 it's not insurance.

00:31:44.800 There it, you're not

00:31:45.840 guaranteed to get your

00:31:46.740 medical, uh, uh, bills

00:31:48.700 paid and you're going to

00:31:49.500 be, you're going to pay

00:31:50.180 into this every month and

00:31:51.220 then something bad is

00:31:51.860 going to happen and

00:31:52.340 you're not going to get

00:31:52.840 your money.

00:31:53.200 So is that true?

00:31:55.660 Is there anything to

00:31:56.240 that?

00:31:56.960 There, there is, there

00:31:57.660 isn't a guarantee and

00:31:58.580 that, that is true.

00:31:59.500 Um, however, you know, I

00:32:00.960 think that the track

00:32:01.760 record of the programs

00:32:02.840 really speaks for itself

00:32:03.920 that since 1993, $1.2

00:32:06.500 billion has been shared.

00:32:07.940 And so, you know, our

00:32:08.880 members have been

00:32:09.400 faithfully sharing for a

00:32:10.340 long, long time and I

00:32:11.060 have no reason to think

00:32:11.780 they're not going to

00:32:12.260 continue to do that in

00:32:13.060 the future.

00:32:13.800 You know, that's, it's

00:32:14.320 that community aspect

00:32:15.200 that, you know, people

00:32:16.220 were based upon the idea

00:32:17.720 of, you know, the early

00:32:18.820 church and acts.

00:32:19.620 And so people are called

00:32:20.900 to lift one another's

00:32:21.840 burdens and that's really

00:32:23.060 truly what our members

00:32:23.800 value.

00:32:24.240 And I have news for you.

00:32:25.360 You know, you're not

00:32:26.100 legally bound.

00:32:27.320 Okay, sure.

00:32:28.560 But, um, it's like these

00:32:30.100 people who, you know,

00:32:31.440 talk to me about, no, the

00:32:32.620 banks and the FDIC legally

00:32:35.000 bound.

00:32:35.460 You have $250,000.

00:32:36.780 You may not get your

00:32:37.440 money back if you have it

00:32:38.340 in Bitcoin or whatever it

00:32:39.560 is, gold.

00:32:40.140 Okay, all really the Fed and

00:32:44.160 everything else is, is just

00:32:45.640 a belief that we have, you

00:32:49.180 know, your faith in a

00:32:50.440 company that it will be

00:32:51.820 solid and that I'm going

00:32:53.700 to get my money back at

00:32:56.980 some point or they're going

00:32:57.780 to provide insurance.

00:32:59.080 All you have to have is

00:33:00.300 faith that the, you have

00:33:01.680 to have instead of a

00:33:02.440 company, you have to have

00:33:03.260 faith in people that

00:33:05.360 people's general nature is

00:33:08.200 not going to change, that

00:33:09.700 people want to be good.

00:33:12.160 They, and it's, and it's

00:33:13.880 they're, the, the reason

00:33:15.840 why they're, this is

00:33:17.380 faith-based, uh, is

00:33:19.300 because they know that

00:33:20.560 people of faith who have

00:33:22.080 something bigger, I'm just

00:33:23.480 speaking for you and tell

00:33:24.380 me if I'm wrong, because

00:33:25.540 they have something bigger

00:33:26.540 than themselves, they know

00:33:28.300 that they will most likely

00:33:30.240 continue to do this.

00:33:31.780 So you're just putting your

00:33:32.780 faith out of an insurance

00:33:34.000 company and into people.

00:33:36.120 I trust people much more

00:33:37.400 than a company.

00:33:38.620 Right.

00:33:39.060 Absolutely.

00:33:39.840 I mean, that's, you know,

00:33:40.380 that's the idea behind being

00:33:41.460 a faith-based organization

00:33:42.520 and certainly having, having

00:33:43.580 a shared statement of faith

00:33:44.520 is that, you know, people

00:33:45.560 are approaching this with

00:33:46.380 the same worldview, with the

00:33:47.400 same sense of values.

00:33:48.240 And, and, and, you know,

00:33:49.380 we want to make sure that

00:33:50.020 people understand that.

00:33:50.920 Absolutely.

00:33:51.420 I love this, Michael.

00:33:52.440 Thank you so much.

00:33:53.920 Uh, I hope we can, uh,

00:33:55.620 talk again.

00:33:56.440 Uh, it's MediShare.com.

00:33:58.140 Is that right?

00:33:59.880 Uh, is that right?

00:34:00.720 Do we have that?

00:34:01.460 MediShare.

00:34:02.200 Yeah.

00:34:02.340 Just look for MediShare.

00:34:03.340 Um, but the average monthly

00:34:06.160 cost is $3.50.

00:34:08.160 Not bad.

00:34:08.720 My, my Christian care dot org.

00:34:10.800 Is that right?

00:34:11.420 Yes.

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00:34:15.700 Uh, check it out.

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00:35:57.180 Glenn Beck Program.

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00:36:01.180 Mercury.

00:36:05.320 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:36:07.040 Hello and welcome to the

00:36:11.240 program.

00:36:12.980 This is quite an amazing,

00:36:15.380 it's quite an amazing

00:36:16.800 thing.

00:36:17.160 I'm trying to figure out

00:36:18.380 why.

00:36:18.860 They've been around since

00:36:19.460 1993.

00:36:21.020 They don't have, you know,

00:36:22.680 there's not people going,

00:36:23.560 oh, I joined that and then

00:36:24.820 they never paid my medical

00:36:25.920 bills.

00:36:26.680 They pay the medical bills.

00:36:27.980 You're talking MediShare

00:36:28.760 here.

00:36:29.040 Yeah, I'm talking MediShare.

00:36:30.160 You can go to mychristiancare.org

00:36:32.220 and find it.

00:36:33.060 This is a carve-out of the

00:36:36.200 Obamacare and it's not

00:36:37.680 somebody who's like, hey,

00:36:38.580 I'm going to do this.

00:36:39.460 They've been doing this

00:36:40.280 since 1993 and this idea is

00:36:43.580 why don't we just pool our

00:36:46.860 resources together and help

00:36:48.300 each other and I think this

00:36:51.400 is so, this is so much

00:36:53.480 closer to a new sort of,

00:36:57.320 you know, this feels like

00:36:58.200 the future, doesn't it?

00:36:59.300 This feels like everything

00:37:01.340 that's coming from Silicon

00:37:02.840 Valley.

00:37:03.340 Um, the idea is 2,000 years

00:37:05.920 old.

00:37:06.720 Um, but if you're struggling,

00:37:08.720 the average cost is $360 a

00:37:13.100 year for a, or a month for

00:37:14.840 a family.

00:37:16.000 That's remarkable.

00:37:17.300 This is...

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00:37:50.340 Hello Americans.

00:37:51.340 It's Friday.

00:37:52.340 Which means Bill O'Reilly is here.

00:37:53.340 Oh, what?

00:37:54.340 What?

00:37:55.340 Yeah.

00:37:56.340 I thought this was a safe space.

00:37:59.340 Where I can listen and not be offended.

00:38:01.340 No.

00:38:02.340 No.

00:38:03.340 He is going to say something politically incorrect and offensive.

00:38:07.340 I know it.

00:38:08.340 Yeah.

00:38:09.340 Oh, no.

00:38:10.340 No.

00:38:11.340 No.

00:38:12.340 No.

00:38:13.340 No.

00:38:14.340 No.

00:38:15.340 No.

00:38:16.340 Let's just get right to it and rip the bandaid off.

00:38:19.340 Here's Bill O'Reilly.

00:38:20.340 We begin right now.

00:38:21.340 I will make a stand.

00:38:24.340 I will raise my voice.

00:38:26.340 I will hold your hand.

00:38:29.340 Cause we are one.

00:38:30.340 Cause we are one.

00:38:31.340 I will beat my drum.

00:38:33.340 I have made my choice.

00:38:35.340 We will overcome.

00:38:37.340 Cause we are one.

00:38:40.340 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

00:38:43.340 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:38:49.340 I can't believe it.

00:38:51.340 Okay.

00:38:52.340 I could give you Don Imus.

00:38:53.340 Oh my God.

00:38:54.340 Oh.

00:38:55.340 Oh.

00:38:56.340 Oh.

00:38:57.340 Oh.

00:38:58.340 Then Bill O'Reilly for Bill O'Reilly.com is with us now.

00:39:02.340 Hello, Bill.

00:39:03.340 What's the matter with you people?

00:39:06.340 And it begins.

00:39:08.340 Another crazy week in Washington.

00:39:10.340 Americans can't catch their breath.

00:39:13.340 Bill.

00:39:14.340 How was your week?

00:39:15.340 What is, what is on the top of your list?

00:39:18.340 The skinny bill.

00:39:20.340 Hmm.

00:39:21.340 We're not good at skinny anything, but go ahead.

00:39:24.340 Um, I was surprised that John McCain, uh, voted, uh, to basically keep Obamacare in place.

00:39:32.340 Weren't you a surprise Beck?

00:39:34.340 I was so surprised about that.

00:39:36.340 Why John McCain is the leader of the progressive arm of the Republican party.

00:39:41.340 I mean, he's a big government guy.

00:39:43.340 He's, I mean, this doesn't surprise me at all.

00:39:46.340 That's who John McCain is.

00:39:48.340 That's who he is.

00:39:49.340 I mean, his state, the people in his state have been harmed pretty much the most of all Americans by the rising costs of healthcare insurance.

00:40:02.340 Bill, he is a big issue in Arizona.

00:40:06.340 Let me give you, uh, uh, uh, uh, perspective to hear your, uh, rebuttal of it.

00:40:13.340 John McCain has been a progressive Republican since the eighties, nineties.

00:40:19.340 Um, he has become the, the Edward Kennedy of the Republican party.

00:40:26.340 He is now, and I say this with all, uh, sympathy.

00:40:31.340 He is now dying.

00:40:32.340 Uh, he has brain cancer.

00:40:34.340 He was brought back to be the liberal lion of the Republican party to give cover for probably 10 Republicans who did not want to say they were going to vote against healthcare, had to, but want to keep Obamacare.

00:40:50.340 He came in, this is legacy building for him.

00:40:53.340 He's, he thinks he's going for a greater government cause.

00:40:57.340 The theory that, uh, McCain is somehow a closet liberal guy.

00:41:08.340 I don't buy it because if you look at this foreign policy and if you look at his, um, record on social issues.

00:41:15.340 No, but wait, wait, hang on just a second.

00:41:16.340 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:41:17.340 That's not, that's not, you're talking liberal.

00:41:19.340 I'm talking progressive.

00:41:21.340 There's a huge difference between liberal and progressive.

00:41:23.340 Yeah.

00:41:24.340 I understand that.

00:41:25.340 But the, where the nexus crosses is in social issues, uh, liberal and progressive social issues, pretty much down the line.

00:41:33.340 The politically correct society we have that you guys are just whimpering about.

00:41:38.340 I mean, but again, line right up.

00:41:41.340 You are looking, you are the, there are just like there are liberty.

00:41:44.340 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:41:45.340 You said, all right, go ahead.

00:41:46.340 Go ahead.

00:41:47.340 Now you can be wrong.

00:41:48.340 I'll give you two minutes to be wrong.

00:41:49.340 But put tape on his mouth.

00:41:51.340 All right.

00:41:52.340 I think this is about Trump.

00:41:54.340 I think McCain despises Trump so much because of the POW comment during the campaign that he knew because it doesn't make any sense.

00:42:05.340 It doesn't make any sense as his pal Lindsey Graham and all of the other people that he's close to or in hatch in the Senate, um, would say to him, look, all this does this skinny bill is take out three or four of the most egregious parts of Obamacare, which McCain cannot support.

00:42:23.340 The mandate that you have to employ more than 50, uh, have to, uh, employ, uh, give insurance to everybody at the tax on medical devices, which the liberal, uh, democratic party doesn't like.

00:42:37.340 So I think it's about McCain basically saying to himself, I really despise Trump and I think Trump should be out of there and I'm going to make it almost impossible for Trump to have any kind of legislative victories.

00:42:53.340 That's what I think this is about.

00:42:55.340 Hmm.

00:42:57.340 Well, um, you know, I appreciate the conspiratorial brilliance.

00:43:01.340 I understand.

00:43:02.340 No, I mean, I, I, I, I appreciate the conspiratorial nature of, of, of that, but I deal in facts.

00:43:08.340 I mean, cause I think it's Trump McCain loathes him.

00:43:18.340 I agree.

00:43:19.340 No doubt.

00:43:20.340 I agree.

00:43:21.340 Yes, he does.

00:43:22.340 I agree with you.

00:43:23.340 I think that's probably part of it, but isn't, isn't that something that Trump should know?

00:43:27.340 And it is the downside of him doing this stuff.

00:43:30.340 Nobody thought that this was going to happen.

00:43:31.340 Pence, Pence actually had to stay up late.

00:43:33.340 You know, Pence is in bed at nine 30 every night.

00:43:36.340 Um, not that late, stay up late and, and was calling McCain saying, you can't do this to the party.

00:43:42.340 See, that's what it would, the appeal was to McCain.

00:43:45.340 Look, make sure that the skinny bill passes.

00:43:48.340 It'll go back to Ryan in the house of representatives.

00:43:51.340 They'll put other things in it, which they promised to do.

00:43:55.340 Then it'll come back to you.

00:43:57.340 And then if you have, if you have an objection, you can vote against it.

00:44:02.340 Okay.

00:44:03.340 But, but give us the Republican party a victory and send a message to the American people that we're not totally impotent.

00:44:11.340 So I think John, I think John McCain, you're right, hates Donald Trump.

00:44:17.340 But I think John McCain hates the tea party, uh, and the, uh, conservative wing, the small government constitutionalist, the, the massies, the freedom caucus, the Mike Lees much more than he hates Donald Trump.

00:44:35.340 Now he may be, he may be on fire for Donald Trump, but there is a long history of him just despising these tea party constitutionalist people.

00:44:46.340 He's also terrible on immigration.

00:44:48.340 I mean, I think you're correct there, but I don't think that was paramount.

00:44:52.340 That was the paramount motivator for McCain shocking his entire party and giving the Democrats a huge victory.

00:45:00.340 Do you guys understand how the Democrats are feeling today?

00:45:04.340 They are just walking on air.

00:45:06.340 Oh yeah.

00:45:07.340 Yeah.

00:45:08.340 Yeah.

00:45:09.340 I know.

00:45:10.340 It protected the enormous entitlement of Obamacare, which is, you know, and number two, they've damaged Trump.

00:45:15.340 Again, Trump looks like he can't get anything done.

00:45:18.340 All right.

00:45:19.340 So McCain handed handed his opposition.

00:45:23.340 And plus I got to say that the people of Arizona, I mean, I know McCain is at the end of the road.

00:45:30.340 Um, and I respect McCain.

00:45:31.340 Everybody should know that listening to the Glenn Beck program today.

00:45:35.340 Uh, I respect him.

00:45:37.340 Um, I don't think that he's a, uh, a person that trying to hurt his country.

00:45:42.340 I do.

00:45:43.340 I do agree with you that he doesn't have any use for the far right, uh, for conservative principles in general, that he's a so-called moderate.

00:45:51.340 But this was all about sticking it to Trump.

00:45:54.340 I know that that's what this vote was all about.

00:45:57.340 Okay.

00:45:58.340 I think it played a role in it.

00:45:59.340 Um, I think that, um, he is not a liberal.

00:46:02.340 He's not a moderate.

00:46:03.340 He is a deep progressive that just like in the early 20th century, there's two kinds of progressives, one that want to control you for all kinds of reasons.

00:46:14.340 And then the other to control you for all kinds of other reasons.

00:46:18.340 It's all about control in the end.

00:46:20.340 And they truly believe that the best thing for the country is to have government control the big things in your life.

00:46:28.340 It's always been that way.

00:46:30.340 I truly believe, uh, he believes in big government healthcare.

00:46:35.340 This, he also had the extra motivation because he despises Donald Trump.

00:46:41.340 So it was a twofer because this is now going to leave the GOP as completely worthless could give the house and the Senate to, uh, the Democrats and they will reform and they will go to a single payer.

00:46:57.340 And Donald Trump will be more than happy to work with them in a year and a half guarantee.

00:47:03.340 I don't think so.

00:47:04.340 I don't, I don't think Trump's going to work with the Democrats.

00:47:07.340 How, wait, how that's conjecture down and down the road.

00:47:10.340 But you're, you're, look, if they tried to pass, if parties on the ropes, go ahead.

00:47:15.340 It's on the ropes for two reasons.

00:47:16.340 It's on the ropes for two reasons.

00:47:17.340 They can't pass, uh, any kind of reform about Obamacare and Americans voted for the Republicans want that.

00:47:24.340 And number two, there's just continuing chaos in the White House, which I want to talk about after your break and, and paying your bills and your enormous salary.

00:47:33.340 We have to do that.

00:47:34.340 My enormous salary.

00:47:36.340 I mean, you know, you've got servants banning.

00:47:41.340 Oh, no, I know.

00:47:42.340 I know, Mr.

00:47:43.340 $25 million a year.

00:47:44.340 So I could get out of a car.

00:47:46.340 I know.

00:47:47.340 Um, all right.

00:47:48.340 So, uh, uh, let, let me, uh, uh, let me ask you this question.

00:47:53.340 And then we'll take a break.

00:47:56.340 What?

00:47:57.340 Spectacular defeat here.

00:48:00.340 One, is there another chapter in the Obamacare, uh, thing that has a chance of being passed or is this done until the midterm?

00:48:13.340 Two, what does this mean for any meaningful tax reform more or less likely?

00:48:21.340 Well, the tax reform.

00:48:23.340 Now you got, this is desperation time for the Democrats.

00:48:26.340 So they, for the Republicans, excuse me.

00:48:29.340 So they have to do it.

00:48:30.340 And I think they will, but any, and you know, I think they will, but the bite is going to be about the tax cuts for the wealthy or affluent.

00:48:42.340 Yes.

00:48:43.340 That's what it's going to be.

00:48:44.340 So if you are a wealthy person, like you are back in this country, don't expect a tax cut.

00:48:48.340 You're not going to get it.

00:48:49.340 Um, but I think they will be able to pass it, um, before the end of the year, because if they don't, it's all over.

00:48:57.340 And then they'll come back to Obamacare probably in the fall.

00:49:00.340 They'll, they'll, McCain and Schumer will be holding hands.

00:49:04.340 They'll be doing the Lombada and it will work it out, but it's all BS.

00:49:09.340 And at this time next year, maybe they'll have another vote, but it's all about giving away free stuff.

00:49:14.340 That's really what Obamacare is about.

00:49:16.340 Re income redistribution, free stuff, unlimited Medicaid to people who don't have a lot of money.

00:49:22.340 That's what it's all about.

00:49:23.340 And the Republicans and Democrats are never going to agree on that ever.

00:49:27.340 Um, it's just a philosophy of the two parties, but I do expect, I do expect the Republicans to ferociously pursue the tax cut because that's the end.

00:49:39.340 They can't do that. That's the end, not just an 18, but that for 20 and for everything else, people just walk away.

00:49:46.340 I had a letter that said, well, well, we're not going to vote for Democrats.

00:49:50.340 We being the Trump supporters.

00:49:52.340 And I said, I know that you won't show up.

00:49:54.340 That's why Hillary lost because her people didn't show up exactly what's going to happen to Trump if he can't get this stuff done.

00:50:01.340 He's a severely wounded president today.

00:50:04.340 Back in just a second more. Bill O'Reilly will get into the White House.

00:50:08.340 We'll talk a little bit about just sessions an hour from now.

00:50:11.340 Um, we have, we have an amazing guest that is going to take you inside Russia and what Russia is really doing.

00:50:22.340 Um, a phenomenal guest you don't want to miss coming up in about 45 minutes.

00:50:27.340 And now this, um, we've been talking this week about all of the risks to the economy.

00:50:33.340 A Yale professor, um, an economics professor at Yale university, who also a Nobel laureate saying low volatility paired with questionable price earnings ratio could wipe out a chunk of the stock market's value.

00:50:47.340 This is tail risk.

00:50:49.340 And I am starting to hear this.

00:50:51.340 I mean, it, it kind of, in some ways makes me feel a little better because when everybody's saying it, usually the mob is wrong.

00:50:59.340 Um, but everybody is talking about this.

00:51:03.340 The stock market is not real and we have some real volatility.

00:51:07.340 There is a really good, uh, paper on this done by David Stockman.

00:51:12.340 Uh, he's written a report, five threats to the economy.

00:51:16.340 Now, David Stockman was Ronald Reagan's budget director.

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00:52:45.340 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:52:48.340 Mercury.

00:52:53.340 The Glenn Beck Program.

00:52:56.340 Hello, America.

00:52:57.340 Welcome to the program.

00:52:59.340 Bill O'Reilly is with us.

00:53:02.340 Let's go to what the heck is happening with Jeff Sessions.

00:53:06.340 This nonsense back and forth between the president and Jeff Sessions.

00:53:14.340 Jeff responded yesterday, just said, you know, some of this is really hurtful, but I'm just continuing my job.

00:53:19.340 What is he doing, Bill?

00:53:21.340 I think it's a frustration situation, and I always go back to my theory about rich guys.

00:53:30.340 Rich guys like Trump, the Bushes, the Kennedys, families that have for decades have had had a lot of assets.

00:53:47.340 They're raised in a different culture.

00:53:49.340 Their lives are different.

00:53:51.340 They don't have to deal with much frustration.

00:53:53.340 They can have pretty much what they want.

00:53:56.340 And the mindset is that things are going to work out.

00:53:59.340 Written about this extensively that things are going to work out.

00:54:03.340 No matter what it is, you know, we're so powerful that things will work out.

00:54:07.340 The Kennedy family, probably the best example of that.

00:54:11.340 So when you get in a situation that Trump is in where he is being unfairly hammered, I believe, on everything.

00:54:19.340 His frustration boils over and he can't handle the day to day pain because he's never had it before in his entire life.

00:54:31.340 Therefore, rational thought is replaced by emotion.

00:54:37.340 Enter Jeff Sessions with three things in play.

00:54:41.340 Trump apparently has been told that Sessions should not have even applied for the job of attorney general if he knew he was going to recuse himself in the Russia investigation.

00:54:54.340 The Russian investigation wasn't going on at the time.

00:54:59.340 Do we need to bring Marty McFly in with the explanation of the parallel timelines?

00:55:04.340 It's not even that's not even possible.

00:55:07.340 How is someone selling this to him?

00:55:10.340 Look, I'm not I'm not saying that it happened.

00:55:12.340 I'm saying that's what Trump's being told.

00:55:14.340 And Trump himself said in the interview, OK, they did talk about some kind of Russian stuff.

00:55:20.340 So anyway, that's number one.

00:55:22.340 Number two is the leaks.

00:55:24.340 And that's driving Trump absolutely insane.

00:55:27.340 And he doesn't feel that Sessions has been aggressive enough.

00:55:29.340 Now, Sessions came out this week and says, I'm going to be aggressive.

00:55:32.340 All right.

00:55:33.340 And the third thing is basically that Hillary Clinton.

00:55:38.340 All right.

00:55:39.340 Is still an obsession with Donald Trump.

00:55:43.340 She's I don't know why, because she's done.

00:55:47.340 She's done.

00:55:48.340 She's going to come back with a book and say that she lost because of sexism or some crazy thing.

00:55:52.340 He's going to make a big deal out of that book and help her sell even more books.

00:55:56.340 Probably.

00:55:57.340 But but Trump's still obsessed.

00:56:00.340 And now he's saying, look, I didn't do anything in Russia, but she did all this X, Y and Z.

00:56:05.340 So why is in sessions investigating that?

00:56:08.340 That's the those are the three reasons.

00:56:10.340 So, you know, somebody else would tap it and contain it and say, all right, I might be frustrating, but I'm telling him to investigate the leaks.

00:56:18.340 He is or he says he is Hillary.

00:56:20.340 You could do the foundation.

00:56:22.340 You can't go back and re litigate the emails, but you could do the foundation because that's an ongoing concern.

00:56:27.340 And I believe the Clinton Foundation from the jump.

00:56:30.340 And I've said this many times was an enterprise just to benefit the Clintons.

00:56:34.340 Oh, it's corrupt to the end.

00:56:36.340 Right.

00:56:37.340 Right.

00:56:38.340 So you could do that.

00:56:39.340 And, you know, if sessions objects to that, then sessions has got to explain why.

00:56:44.340 Right.

00:56:45.340 So but but what it is, is that Trump when Trump gets frustrated with with someone, you saw that on his program, you're fired.

00:56:51.340 That's what he's used to doing his whole life.

00:56:53.340 He's done it.

00:56:54.340 But now he can't do it.

00:56:55.340 I don't expect sessions to be fired because if he is, then the whole Republican Party is going to walk away from Trump.

00:57:02.340 Trump's got to know that now.

00:57:04.340 Scaramucci's got to be telling Trump that.

00:57:06.340 So did you see did you see Ben Sasse speech yesterday on the floor of the Senate?

00:57:13.340 No.

00:57:14.340 To the president?

00:57:15.340 You should go back and read it or watch it.

00:57:17.340 It was tremendous.

00:57:18.340 But he said, Mr. President, if you try a recess appointment of that's right, it'll be over.

00:57:27.340 It'll just be over.

00:57:28.340 All right.

00:57:29.340 Back with Bill O'Reilly from Bill O'Reilly dot com Bill O'Reilly dot com.

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00:57:49.340 Back in a minute.

00:57:51.340 The Glenn Beck program.

00:57:54.340 Mercury.

00:57:59.340 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:58:02.340 I.

00:58:03.340 Scaramucci is just a.

00:58:06.340 Just a.

00:58:07.340 Let me ask you a question.

00:58:08.340 Can I ask you a question?

00:58:09.340 Oh dear God.

00:58:10.340 What?

00:58:11.340 Bill O'Reilly.

00:58:12.340 What?

00:58:13.340 Isn't it refreshing to have me on this program on Friday?

00:58:17.340 No.

00:58:18.340 It's a pain in my ass.

00:58:19.340 Your crew.

00:58:20.340 Different perspectives that you've never thought about.

00:58:24.340 Because they're wrong.

00:58:25.340 We dismiss them right away.

00:58:26.340 Yeah.

00:58:27.340 Saying at the end of the day, 50 times.

00:58:29.340 Isn't it refreshing to have me here?

00:58:31.340 Come on.

00:58:32.340 Tell the truth.

00:58:33.340 I mean, you are the most delusional man I think I've ever met.

00:58:36.340 Yeah.

00:58:37.340 No.

00:58:38.340 Bill.

00:58:39.340 This.

00:58:40.340 The Scaramucci character.

00:58:41.340 I mean, right out of the Sopranos.

00:58:43.340 This.

00:58:44.340 This interview that he did.

00:58:46.340 And he says he didn't know.

00:58:48.340 But I trusted a journalist.

00:58:50.340 You what?

00:58:51.340 I mean, come on, man.

00:58:53.340 The things that he said in this interview.

00:58:57.340 He is one of the nastiest guys I've ever.

00:59:02.340 I mean, I wouldn't be in a room with this guy.

00:59:04.340 If this guy is this is the way he talks when he's.

00:59:08.340 When he's just talking.

00:59:10.340 I want nothing to do with him.

00:59:12.340 Is this where our president lives?

00:59:16.340 This is the swamp cleaner.

00:59:19.340 Okay.

00:59:20.340 Number one.

00:59:21.340 Scaramucci lives in my town.

00:59:22.340 All right.

00:59:23.340 I don't really know him.

00:59:24.340 I ran into him.

00:59:25.340 I think once many years ago.

00:59:28.340 But if you're thinking that this kind of conversation and this kind of language that he's using.

00:59:33.340 Is not used by most.

00:59:36.340 And I mean that absolutely accurately.

00:59:39.340 Most political operatives.

00:59:41.340 And you're living in the land of Oz.

00:59:43.340 I mean, John Podesta.

00:59:45.340 Who would have been Hillary Clinton's chief of staff.

00:59:48.340 Makes Scaramucci look like Mother Teresa.

00:59:51.340 All right.

00:59:52.340 That's how bad.

00:59:55.340 Many of these guys are now.

00:59:57.340 I'm going to give Scaramucci a pass because he's probably taken with himself with the big position.

01:00:02.340 He's never been in there before.

01:00:04.340 Good.

01:00:05.340 So we have a rookie with an ego.

01:00:07.340 We have a rookie.

01:00:08.340 Sounds like a good combination.

01:00:10.340 Let's keep adding them.

01:00:11.340 Well, they're all rookies.

01:00:12.340 Come on.

01:00:13.340 Right.

01:00:14.340 With egos.

01:00:15.340 You know.

01:00:16.340 Yeah.

01:00:17.340 And that's not a good combination.

01:00:18.340 And money.

01:00:19.340 And I'm not justifying anything he did.

01:00:20.340 But I'm trying to add perspective to it.

01:00:23.340 Right.

01:00:24.340 What I can't figure out is why anybody in the White House would talk to the New Yorker.

01:00:29.340 They hate you.

01:00:30.340 Hello.

01:00:31.340 All right.

01:00:32.340 Why would you do it?

01:00:33.340 Why would you invite the New York Times in, as Trump did last week?

01:00:38.340 Why?

01:00:39.340 I mean, they're never, ever going to be fair or give you any kind of benefit of the doubt.

01:00:45.340 They're always going to find a way to try to destroy you.

01:00:49.340 That disturbs me more than the gutter language.

01:00:54.340 Yeah.

01:00:55.340 It's not the language.

01:00:56.340 It's just this guy is just a bad guy.

01:00:57.340 No, but he's the language.

01:00:58.340 Bad guy.

01:00:59.340 I mean, we expect some decorum.

01:01:00.340 Yes.

01:01:01.340 As far as presentation is concerned.

01:01:03.340 And behind the scenes, as I said, they all say, they all talk like that.

01:01:07.340 But you don't talk like that to a reporter who hates you.

01:01:11.340 I mean, it's just insane.

01:01:13.340 This guy couldn't get in, this New Yorker reporter couldn't get into CNN fast enough.

01:01:18.340 I mean, he was like diving through the window.

01:01:21.340 Put me on.

01:01:22.340 Put me on.

01:01:23.340 Put me on.

01:01:24.340 You know, it was, I'll set myself on fire if you don't put me on right now.

01:01:28.340 But Bill.

01:01:29.340 You'll be responsible for my death.

01:01:30.340 If he believed, if he believed he was off the record, however, and he was saying those

01:01:34.340 things about.

01:01:35.340 They all say that.

01:01:36.340 Right.

01:01:37.340 But.

01:01:38.340 You don't talk to a, you don't talk to a New Yorker reporter, a New York Times reporter

01:01:42.340 and say it's off the record.

01:01:43.340 They're never going to.

01:01:44.340 I mean, and I don't believe Scaramucci thought he was off the record anyway.

01:01:48.340 I thought he was just being a macho man.

01:01:50.340 Put it right.

01:01:51.340 The Soprano.

01:01:52.340 Well, he's claiming he thought he was.

01:01:53.340 Gotta get him a little hat and he can strut around.

01:01:55.340 Yeah.

01:01:56.340 No, he's claiming he was.

01:01:58.340 But that's just so he has some.

01:02:00.340 Yeah.

01:02:01.340 Look, I wouldn't have done that if I was.

01:02:02.340 Yeah, yeah.

01:02:03.340 He was sending a message.

01:02:04.340 Who's buying that?

01:02:05.340 He was sending a message with this conversation.

01:02:07.340 If nothing else, though, then why isn't he a leaker?

01:02:09.340 He could have sent the message in a much, in a much more authoritative way.

01:02:13.340 Right.

01:02:14.340 Look.

01:02:15.340 But he has, Stu brings up a good point.

01:02:17.340 He has become a leaker himself.

01:02:21.340 Well, Stu is a genius, number one.

01:02:24.340 So whatever he says, I have to take very, very carefully.

01:02:27.340 Number two, look, there are leaks coming out of the White House.

01:02:34.340 And Trump is driving Trump crazy.

01:02:36.340 And Scaramucci is there to try to stop it.

01:02:39.340 All right.

01:02:40.340 So that's what it is.

01:02:41.340 We'll see if he can stop it.

01:02:42.340 And then now Lance Priebus may be the leaker.

01:02:45.340 Rance Priebus.

01:02:46.340 I'm sorry.

01:02:47.340 Maybe the leaker.

01:02:48.340 You know, but I don't want to.

01:02:49.340 I don't want the speculation.

01:02:50.340 You know, find out if you want it and fire him.

01:02:52.340 Okay.

01:02:53.340 How do you feel about Donald Trump coming out when the Pentagon is going in another direction

01:03:01.340 just to get a bill passed in the House?

01:03:03.340 He comes out and says there will never be.

01:03:06.340 We will not accept any transgender people into the military.

01:03:10.340 We know we have 10 people in the military that are serving.

01:03:14.340 There hasn't been any problems.

01:03:16.340 I mean, look, I don't want to pay for anybody's elective surgery.

01:03:20.340 This surgery should not be anything other than elective.

01:03:24.340 And it should be discouraged as it does nothing to change the suicide rate.

01:03:29.340 People who have dysphoria, they are 46% likely to commit suicide.

01:03:34.340 They have the surgery.

01:03:35.340 They're 45% likely to have suicide.

01:03:38.340 And the younger you get, the higher the number goes for suicide if you've had the surgery.

01:03:44.340 We should not be in this business in the first place.

01:03:47.340 I don't want the government.

01:03:48.340 I don't want the military a part of any kind of political correct anything.

01:03:53.340 Their job is to kill people faster than anyone else on the earth.

01:03:57.340 I don't care if it's a guy in a skirt.

01:04:00.340 I don't care if it's a guy who looks like Randy Macho Man Savage.

01:04:04.340 I don't care how they get it done as long as they get it done.

01:04:09.340 What about Trump doing this?

01:04:13.340 That was very, very, very well put.

01:04:15.340 OK, here's the deal.

01:04:16.340 You want to know the real story?

01:04:17.340 And this is why you should be thrilled to have me on.

01:04:20.340 Here's the real story.

01:04:22.340 We like you for your modesty.

01:04:23.340 Honestly, I have you on.

01:04:25.340 Modesty only goes so far.

01:04:27.340 Right. OK.

01:04:28.340 All right.

01:04:29.340 Here is a real story.

01:04:30.340 All right.

01:04:31.340 You know, they're looking terrible on the legislative front.

01:04:35.340 OK, they know it.

01:04:37.340 So what better way to deflect attention away from that than to rev up your base, which does not want transgendered people in the military.

01:04:49.340 OK, and just throw out a tweet, which is all he did.

01:04:54.340 Didn't sign an executive order.

01:04:56.340 It didn't order the Pentagon to do anything.

01:04:58.340 Brought a tweet saying they're not going to serve in military.

01:05:01.340 That deflects the whole thing away, injects emotion for your cause.

01:05:07.340 All right.

01:05:08.340 All right.

01:05:09.340 Because your base wants that.

01:05:10.340 Your base is with you on that.

01:05:13.340 And that's exactly why that happened.

01:05:17.340 Thank you very much.

01:05:19.340 Stu, are you there?

01:05:20.340 You know, Bill O'Reilly is a genius.

01:05:22.340 I've said it before.

01:05:23.340 Moscow today.

01:05:24.340 Moscow today is seizing two U.S. properties in Russia because of the sanctions.

01:05:32.340 Yeah.

01:05:33.340 Things aren't looking good with Russia.

01:05:37.340 Where is this headed?

01:05:39.340 No.

01:05:40.340 Well, you're going to have your guest on and what next hour?

01:05:42.340 Yes.

01:05:43.340 Going on in there.

01:05:45.340 I look the sanctions have to happen.

01:05:47.340 And so if they're going to seize whatever they're going to seize, then you look at that and you slap more sanctions on them if you have to.

01:05:55.340 Putin is not going to have a confrontation with the USA.

01:05:58.340 The USA knows you'll lose that.

01:06:00.340 You lose it militarily.

01:06:01.340 You lose it economically.

01:06:02.340 There's no way in it for him.

01:06:04.340 He's got a bluster.

01:06:05.340 And that's what this is.

01:06:07.340 He's got a bluster to his base.

01:06:09.340 So I'm going to seize this at the end.

01:06:11.340 Iran does this all day long, all day long.

01:06:14.340 But in the end, Putin's position is not nearly as strong within Russia as he wants you to believe.

01:06:22.340 I mean, there are people in Russia who want him out.

01:06:27.340 And that movement is growing as the economy there gets worse.

01:06:31.340 And these sanctions will hasten the demise of the Russian economy.

01:06:36.340 So if you want to get Putin under control, you've got to do this stuff.

01:06:40.340 Congress is smart for doing it.

01:06:42.340 And Putin can bluster all he wants, but he's not nearly as powerful as we are.

01:06:48.340 Bill Browder is my guest next hour.

01:06:50.340 He was the CEO of Hermitage Capital Management.

01:06:52.340 He was the former hedge fund manager that his partner was Magnitsky.

01:07:00.340 The guy who the Magnitsky Act is named after.

01:07:04.340 His partner was taken in by the FSB and the oligarchs in Russia, beaten, tortured, eventually arrested.

01:07:19.340 And then, ooh, an accident happened in prison.

01:07:22.340 They tried to shut him up.

01:07:24.340 This is the guy who is the partner.

01:07:28.340 He has the inside scoop.

01:07:30.340 He has testified in front of Congress.

01:07:33.340 And it looks like the Democrats didn't want him to testify.

01:07:39.340 I think he has, I think he is completing a, a tying up the loose ends here on something that I've said for a long time.

01:07:51.340 They were doing this to both.

01:07:54.340 Trump and Clinton both fell for it.

01:07:56.340 If Clinton would have won, we'd be sitting in exactly the same situation, except we'd be shouting the other side's argument.

01:08:04.340 Um, this is, this is Putin trying to cause chaos, period.

01:08:11.340 Agree or disagree?

01:08:13.340 I agree.

01:08:14.340 That's what Putin does.

01:08:16.340 And that's why he's gotta be slapped down when, uh, we get the opportunity to do that.

01:08:21.340 He's a bad guy.

01:08:22.340 Bill O'Reilly, last question.

01:08:24.340 Uh, I hear that, uh, back to school is around the corner and I was wondering if you had any gift ideas.

01:08:31.340 Well, I'm more interested in, in your vacation plans that you take any more time off in August.

01:08:38.340 Uh, no, I'm, I'm staying working.

01:08:41.340 Oh, you're here.

01:08:42.340 Yeah.

01:08:43.340 Um, legends lies a civil war for anybody who wants to really understand the civil war, but not be bogged down with 900 pages.

01:08:51.340 It's a terrific read and nine to 90 ages, nine to 90 old school life in the same land.

01:08:56.340 You'd be a few laughs.

01:08:57.340 Um, killing the rising sun, of course is a perennial.

01:09:00.340 And then we have killing England, a big revolutionary war book coming up September 19th.

01:09:05.340 Oh, but Hillary Clinton, but she really didn't kill England.

01:09:09.340 England isn't really dead.

01:09:11.340 No, but it's, it's a, what we, what we call it's a, um, a jump the shark.

01:09:17.340 I'm sorry.

01:09:18.340 You were going for something.

01:09:19.340 There's no, there's no, there's no seafood in the book.

01:09:22.340 How do I find your books?

01:09:23.340 How do I find your books?

01:09:25.340 Yeah, no, you'll like it back because it will educate you about our country.

01:09:30.340 And I know you want that.

01:09:31.340 Yes.

01:09:32.340 You desperately want it.

01:09:33.340 Bill O'Reilly.com.

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01:09:35.340 Thank you very much, Bill.

01:09:36.340 I appreciate it.

01:09:37.340 Um, all right.

01:09:38.340 All right.

01:09:39.340 God bless.

01:09:40.340 I'm probably the main takeaway is quote, Stu is a genius.

01:09:43.340 End quote.

01:09:44.340 That's what I, that's what I took out of the interview.

01:09:46.340 I didn't really get much.

01:09:47.340 You go back to the interview.

01:09:48.340 Bill is always wrong.

01:09:50.340 Uh, so then we could, then we could use both quotes and say, yeah, probably that is

01:09:56.340 the takeaway.

01:09:57.340 That doesn't seem ideal.

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01:11:31.340 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

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01:11:45.340 Alright, welcome to the program.

01:11:47.340 Interesting perspective today on John McCain.

01:11:50.340 And John McCain, both a hero and a villain.

01:11:54.340 Hero in the 60s and a villain in many ways to the Constitution.

01:11:59.340 Yeah.

01:12:00.340 He is, if indeed John McCain, and he is apparently a very vindictive guy, if he indeed did this

01:12:11.340 one vote just to stick it to Donald Trump, how petty.

01:12:17.340 May your voice reach his ears.

01:12:22.340 Uh, this is, it's, how petty can you be?

01:12:28.340 You're doing the people's business, are you John?

01:12:30.340 Is that, was that the people's business?

01:12:32.340 And I think the overwhelming amount of blame here goes to Congress and not Trump.

01:12:36.340 But if you want to be critical on Trump, two of the three people who were Republicans

01:12:40.340 and voted against this were people that Trump specifically attacked.

01:12:43.340 Yes.

01:12:44.340 Both Murkowski and McCain.

01:12:45.340 Yes.

01:12:46.340 And you know, the reports are that, and this comes from also Sullivan who voted for the

01:12:50.340 Obamacare repeal.

01:12:51.340 He said he got calls from the administration basically threatening to screw with Alaska

01:12:57.340 if they didn't get on board with this.

01:12:59.340 And you know, Murkowski is as safe as anybody can be.

01:13:02.340 She won a freaking write in election statewide.

01:13:04.340 She can do whatever she wants.

01:13:06.340 And you know, you can argue that that pressure is not helpful.

01:13:10.340 His deal making style may be working against the deals.

01:13:15.340 Next hour, Bill Browder is on.

01:13:18.340 Um, he just testified in front of Congress.

01:13:22.340 He's remarkable.

01:13:24.340 Um, truly remarkable.

01:13:27.340 He is a guy who, uh, I can't, I don't even know what to make of his past.

01:13:32.340 Um, became a hedge fund guy.

01:13:35.340 Um, he lives over in England.

01:13:38.340 His partner, uh, was Meninsky.

01:13:42.340 The, the Meninsky act.

01:13:44.340 Magninsky.

01:13:45.340 Magninsky.

01:13:47.340 It's magnet.

01:13:48.340 It starts with magnet.

01:13:49.340 Magnitsky.

01:13:50.340 Yeah.

01:13:51.340 Magnitsky.

01:13:52.340 The Magnitsky act is named after him because he was tortured and imprisoned, uh, and killed in prison, uh, by Putin and the oligarchs over in Russia because he was uncovering how bad things were.

01:14:10.340 Well, his partner, Bill, who was part of this uncovering would not let it go.

01:14:17.340 And risking his life even today to continue to tell the world exactly what's happening over in Russia.

01:14:26.340 Uh, very credible witness, uh, on Wednesday in front of Congress.

01:14:31.340 Some deep questions on what is really going on, uh, and, uh, what happened at that meeting.

01:14:39.340 He will not speculate on what motives were or what was happening on the Trump side, but he's clear on what the Russians were doing.

01:14:48.340 He's next.

01:14:49.340 He's next.

01:14:50.340 Glenn Beck.

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01:15:10.340 On Demand.

01:15:17.340 I'm going to introduce you to somebody that you probably have never heard of, uh, but he is a really important player in everything that is going on in Russia.

01:15:29.340 We have heard of the Magnitsky Act.

01:15:33.340 Who's that even named after?

01:15:35.340 What, what is that act?

01:15:36.340 What, where did that come from?

01:15:38.340 This guy.

01:15:40.340 This is the, this is the guy that got that done, uh, in an effort to stop deep corruption in Russia.

01:15:51.340 He has firsthand knowledge.

01:15:53.340 His partner was Magnitsky.

01:15:56.340 And I say was because Putin and his cronies took care of him for uncovering corruption in Russia with our guest, Bill Browder.

01:16:10.340 A look at what's really going inside of Russia and how this ties to both Hillary and Trump begins right now.

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01:16:44.340 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:16:48.340 Our guest, Bill Browder is the man responsible for spearheading the Magnitsky Act.

01:16:57.340 Um, Magnitsky was Browder's lawyer and the two of them uncovered a $230 million corruption scheme involving Russian government officials.

01:17:08.340 Magnitsky was jailed, uh, tortured, uh, murdered in prison.

01:17:15.340 Browder, uh, Browder vowed to get justice.

01:17:18.340 The Magnitsky Act was his initiative and it became the sanctions package on Russia that punishes the oligarchs.

01:17:27.340 This kicked off a geopolitical shockwave, but there's a lot more than just this.

01:17:36.340 Wednesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee in the Russian investigation into U.S. election meddling,

01:17:43.340 Um, the Senate Democrats blocked his testimony by invoking the two hour rule, which is rarely, rarely used to protest the Republican efforts to repeal Obamacare.

01:17:56.340 Um, was that really why they use that?

01:18:01.340 Or was it because they wanted to block his testimony, um, testimony on fusion GPS?

01:18:09.340 That is the company that produced the Trump dossier, but was also the same company that had been hired by one of the biggest Democratic supporters as well.

01:18:21.340 Welcome to the program, Bill Browder. How are you, sir?

01:18:24.340 I'm doing really well. Great to be here.

01:18:27.340 Thank you. Um, it's, uh, it's nice to talk to you and I appreciated your testimony in front of Congress.

01:18:33.340 Uh, the way you, um, uh, constantly responded.

01:18:38.340 I can't think for Donald Trump or his team. I don't know what I do know is how Russia thinks.

01:18:44.340 And I appreciated the fact, uh, even as a guy who doesn't support Donald Trump, uh, that you were not going in for political heads.

01:18:53.340 So thank you for that.

01:18:56.340 Um, well, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's my duty in, in this situation just to try to, um, get to the truth about what Russia is up to and what Putin is up to, which is something that affects.

01:19:08.340 It's not, it's a, it's a totally nonpartisan issue when it comes to Russia.

01:19:13.340 So listening to your testimony, I believe, um, we've been doing a lot of homework and I've been working on, uh, Russia things and trying to expose my audience to what Russia is doing for the last probably three or four years.

01:19:26.340 Um, and I warned way before this election that Donald Trump and his minions were trying to cause chaos in the entire Western world.

01:19:36.340 And they'll do, they'll play all sides. They don't care.

01:19:39.340 They just want chaos and a destruction of what they call the, uh, what is it? The people of the sea, the Atlantic states, the, the, uh, the NATO, uh, states.

01:19:50.760 Um, right. Uh, I believe, and I would like to start here. I believe not knowing truly what happened in that meeting with Donald Trump Jr. and everybody else that they may have wanted dirt and probably were told we got all kinds of stuff on Hillary Clinton, but, uh, they could have gone in to a meeting and, uh, and had, uh, uh, Velet Nitskaya, the,

01:20:20.760 the Russian woman just read nursery rhymes because Putin got what he wanted with that meeting. And that is doubts in people's minds on both Clinton, the Democrats and the Republicans. And we're all fighting each other. Now, do you think that's plausible?

01:20:39.580 Well, I, I, um, I think we might be reading a little bit too much into Putin's Putin is a great tactician. I wouldn't argue that he's a great strategist.

01:20:50.160 And that sounds like a sort of strategic, um, a long-term strategic thing. I actually think it's, it's what he is. He, uh, I mean, and I do know a lot about what he's thinking and what he's doing, because I've been sort of at odds with him in a very serious way for the last eight years. Um, I think that he, I mean, and he's very blunt and, and kind of basic in terms of what he wants. And, and, um, when, when, when that lady, Natalia Veselnitskaya went into that meeting,

01:21:20.160 it's pretty clear what she was going into that meeting for, which was, she had something that was on the top of Vladimir Putin's agenda, which was getting rid of these sanctions, these asset freezing and, and visa banning sanctions named after my lawyer, Sergei Magnitsky.

01:21:37.860 He, he, Putin really wanted to get rid of that. And, and, and they had a long and a wide campaign to do that. And, and I think that they spotted Donald Trump. He hadn't, he was just the Republican nominee at that point.

01:21:51.820 They weren't having much success, um, in, uh, with Obama and Obama was just hadn't, hadn't done what they wanted. And, um, and so they, they said, okay, well, this guy is saying nice things, but let's go and see if we can, if we can, you know, do something with these guys.

01:22:08.460 And, um, and as you mentioned, I, I, I don't know what, what the Trump guys were thinking when they had that meeting, but I, but I sure know what the Russians were thinking, which was here, here's something important to us that we want to, we want, we want to do if, if, if your dad becomes the president.

01:22:23.620 So tell me, because I don't think people understand Russia and its level of corruption and how brutal it is. Um, you know, we think, oh, well, you're dealing with some people, but everybody's corrupt. Not like Russia. Can you give people an idea of what that means?

01:22:41.860 Well, let's just talk about this case that I've been involved with. So this is called the Magnitsky case. Sergey Magnitsky, as you mentioned at the beginning was my lawyer. He uncovered this vast $230 million government corruption scheme.

01:22:58.120 And he thought that, and this was a scheme where a bunch of government officials were stealing $230 million from their own country. And Sergey thought, this is wrong. This is my country. I don't, I don't want them stealing this money from my country.

01:23:10.360 And as a good patriot and a good citizen, he went to the law enforcement agency there and he gave sworn testimony against the officials involved and waited for those officials to be arrested and prosecuted.

01:23:23.480 But instead of those officials being arrested and prosecuted, he got arrested. They put him in jail. They tortured him viciously for 358 days and they killed him at the age of 37, leaving a wife and two children.

01:23:36.200 Now, I wish that the story had stopped there in terms of the deaths. Then another guy comes forward after Sergey has been killed. His name is Alexander Parapalichny. Alexander was not a good guy. He was one of the bad guys in Russia who had fallen out with the other bad guys.

01:23:53.640 He shows up in London fleeing Russia. And he says, listen, these people I used to work with, they're really bad guys. Here's the bank statements showing where they got the money.

01:24:04.180 And so we took that stuff to the Swiss prosecutor because the money was in Switzerland. The Swiss prosecutor froze the accounts and opened up a big money laundering investigation.

01:24:15.440 And then all of a sudden, this guy drops dead at the age of 44 in a suburb of London. And it's since been shown that he had a poison in his stomach.

01:24:27.160 And it goes on and on. There are seven people who are dead connected to this case.

01:24:32.380 Why aren't you dead? Why aren't you dead?

01:24:36.140 They'd like me dead. They've threatened me. They've threatened me on a number of occasions.

01:24:40.100 If they could get away with it, if they could kill me and get away with it, I would already be dead.

01:24:44.200 The only thing stopping them is that they don't know exactly how they can get away with it.

01:24:48.900 So you said something interesting in your testimony.

01:24:53.200 I think it was Lindsey Graham who said, you know, Putin will do whatever he can to get away with.

01:24:57.560 And you responded, I think he'll do whatever he can or wants, even if he can't get away with it.

01:25:03.360 What do you mean by that?

01:25:04.160 Well, basically, I mean, you know, he kind of goes around the world doing whatever he wants.

01:25:11.380 I mean, look, he invaded Ukraine.

01:25:15.740 It wasn't like he said it wasn't us. It's just a bunch of guys on vacation.

01:25:20.040 Well, it turns out that it was them.

01:25:21.940 You know, they shot down a civilian aircraft, the Malaysian aircraft going over Ukraine, killing 298 civilians.

01:25:31.380 And they say, it wasn't us. It's been proven it was them.

01:25:34.380 They go and carpet bomb.

01:25:36.560 Wait, wait, wait, wait. This is kind of new.

01:25:38.520 Was it proven to be them?

01:25:40.640 We knew that was speculation. It has been proven now since?

01:25:44.980 Yeah. I mean, everybody knows that it's them.

01:25:48.220 It's the Dutch have all the evidence.

01:25:50.420 Of course it's them. There's no question.

01:25:52.760 I mean, they still don't admit it, right?

01:25:54.500 They don't admit it. Just all the evidence points to them.

01:25:57.980 Yeah. I mean, the Russians deny that they said we didn't invade Ukraine.

01:26:02.000 We didn't shoot down that plane.

01:26:03.420 But we're not bombing civilians in Syria.

01:26:05.540 Oh, that plane. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right.

01:26:07.180 That plane. Yes. I was thinking of another plane.

01:26:09.260 You're exactly right.

01:26:10.020 You know, there's two Malaysian planes.

01:26:11.460 It was the one that got shot down going from Amsterdam to Kuala Lampur, a shot down over Ukraine.

01:26:17.720 Correct.

01:26:18.340 298 people. 200 of them were Dutch.

01:26:20.920 And these Dutch people, this is the Dutch equivalent of September 11th in terms of the number of people killed per capita by a terrorist.

01:26:30.280 Putin did that.

01:26:31.200 Wow.

01:26:31.440 So how are you feeling about how the right played footsie a little bit with Putin, then the left is now playing footsie with Putin, or was the left, and now the right.

01:26:51.620 And I'm talking about the people, the right is now starting to say, oh, no, Putin's not so bad.

01:26:58.440 He's just kind of like us.

01:26:59.580 And, yeah, they got some problems, but it's a different category entirely.

01:27:04.800 How do you respond to the American people?

01:27:08.780 It's shocking anybody, anyone who believes that Putin is a normal, normal human being.

01:27:16.360 This man is a cold-blooded killer.

01:27:18.880 I've seen it with my own eyes, and it goes on and on and on.

01:27:23.980 And it's just ignorance.

01:27:25.880 I mean, anybody who thinks that somehow we have any shared situation with him, any shared values, any shared interests, it's just misinformation.

01:27:36.560 It's wrong.

01:27:37.420 It's just – and, you know, part of my goal is to try to inform people.

01:27:42.340 I'm glad you're giving me this opportunity to tell the story on your show because people who take that view just do not have the information, and they need to have that information.

01:27:52.740 So I want to get into a little bit to Fusion GPS.

01:27:55.860 These are the people that came out, and they were the ones that produced the dossier on Donald Trump and the golden showers and all that stuff.

01:28:04.320 This is a really bad organization, and both sides of the aisle in America are dealing with these people, and I don't understand it.

01:28:13.520 And I'd like you to try to, if you can, take us through a little bit of that when we come back.

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01:29:32.960 Bill Browder is with us, CEO of Hermitage Capital.

01:30:02.940 Management, lives in London, if I'm not mistaken, Bill.

01:30:08.640 Yep.

01:30:09.500 His lawyer was Magnitsky from the Magnitsky Act.

01:30:14.720 That was the thing that apparently Donald Trump Jr. and his people were meeting with the Russians about.

01:30:20.980 They say it was adoption.

01:30:22.800 They don't care about adoption.

01:30:24.200 At least the Russians don't care about adoption.

01:30:26.380 This was about the repeal of the Magnitsky Act.

01:30:28.700 He has first-hand knowledge on all of this.

01:30:33.160 Let me start here with you, Bill.

01:30:36.400 Fusion GPS.

01:30:38.700 This is the organization that apparently had a dossier on Donald Trump,

01:30:47.800 you know, the whole golden shower thing, all of that crap.

01:30:51.200 It has been apparently, you know, debunked and said most of it is not real.

01:30:58.940 I want to not focus on the dossier, but I want to focus on Fusion GPS.

01:31:03.260 Are they an arm of the Russian government?

01:31:10.100 Well, I'm not sure whose arm they are of, but I have my own experience with Fusion GPS

01:31:16.540 when they were hired by the Russian government, or I should say by a Russian government official,

01:31:23.540 to basically run a disinformation campaign against the Magnitsky Act and against me in Washington.

01:31:33.500 They were effectively going out last year.

01:31:37.200 A guy named Glenn Simpson, who is the founder of GPS,

01:31:41.040 He was running around, meeting with and discussing with journalists,

01:31:47.100 trying to get them to write stories to say that Sergei Magnitsky, my lawyer,

01:31:53.200 had not been murdered, that he died of natural causes.

01:31:56.620 Glenn Simpson was trying to get the journalists to write Vladimir Putin's version of the story

01:32:01.800 to whitewash what the Russian government had done, being paid for by the Russian government.

01:32:07.280 So who are they exactly, Fusion GPS?

01:32:13.720 Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch are both former Wall Street Journal reporters.

01:32:20.320 They left, I don't know, a few years back, set up this firm called Fusion GPS.

01:32:26.720 They call it opposition research, which sounds sort of legitimate,

01:32:34.680 researching people's backgrounds.

01:32:36.540 But what I saw them doing to me, and I'm not the only victim of this,

01:32:40.400 is that they were effectively doing disinformation, smear campaigning,

01:32:47.800 spreading false information to try to cast doubt on me and on Sergei Magnitsky.

01:32:53.800 And I'm not the only one.

01:32:55.180 There's another human rights activist from Latin America named Thor Halverson.

01:33:00.440 And Thor was trying to expose corruption in Venezuela.

01:33:03.000 And these people were, Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson were hired by the Venezuelan oligarchs

01:33:12.140 to smear Thor and his human rights activist colleagues.

01:33:17.860 So if they are acting on behalf of Venezuela oligarchs and Russia and Putin,

01:33:25.440 why aren't they registered under the Foreign Agent Registration Act?

01:33:29.200 Well, that was my question as well.

01:33:31.960 I had the exact same question.

01:33:33.520 After they ran this big campaign last spring and last summer,

01:33:38.340 I went and checked into the database to see if they had registered and any of the other people,

01:33:43.100 because it wasn't just them.

01:33:43.900 It was a whole team of people hired by the Russians, lots of Americans involved,

01:33:47.960 and none of them had registered.

01:33:50.660 And just so you understand, you're required to register.

01:33:55.660 Under the law, there's something called the Foreign Agent Registration Act.

01:33:58.660 It was put in place to prevent Nazi propaganda from being spread in America during the Second World War.

01:34:05.960 It's very important.

01:34:07.820 And these guys hadn't registered.

01:34:10.100 And so I wrote a criminal complaint to the Counterintelligence Division of the Department of Justice

01:34:14.900 saying that these people didn't comply with FARA, the Foreign Agent Registration Act.

01:34:20.320 I filed it in the summer of last year.

01:34:23.100 And as far as I could tell, there doesn't seem to be any big investigation going on.

01:34:28.820 And so...

01:34:29.940 But here's the question, though.

01:34:32.020 I mean, we have the Democrats supporting, you know, paying into Fusion,

01:34:39.840 the biggest Democratic supporter paying into Fusion.

01:34:42.700 We have the FBI hiring GPS Fusion.

01:34:48.600 I mean, do...

01:34:50.160 I mean, you can't tell me that the FBI isn't aware of who these people are.

01:34:54.400 What?

01:34:55.260 I tell you what, I have to take a...

01:34:56.640 I suspect.

01:34:57.460 I have to take a break, and I don't want to cut you off in the middle of that.

01:35:00.460 I'm sorry, I lost track of the clock.

01:35:02.800 Hold on to that answer and give it to me fully.

01:35:06.060 And then we go into what you think happened in that office with Donald Trump Jr.

01:35:14.340 And especially Paul Manafort.

01:35:17.380 He's the real troublesome character here.

01:35:21.160 Back in just a second.

01:35:24.980 We are what?

01:35:28.000 The Glenn Beck Program.

01:35:29.800 So, the Magnitsky bill that we've heard a lot of talk of, but most people don't know it,

01:35:42.120 other than the sanctions against Russia, it passed 419 to 3.

01:35:46.620 Well, that's the new sanctions bill against Russia, but this is bipartisan.

01:35:51.580 This is confirming that.

01:35:53.260 It is bipartisan.

01:35:54.960 The people in Congress at least seem to know who Donald Trump is.

01:36:01.340 At least they're acting like it.

01:36:02.720 This all leads really to the heart of all of our governments and to chaos that I believe Russia is trying to sow all over the world.

01:36:15.300 Let's go to the Fusion GPS, which is the company that came up with this dossier on Donald Trump.

01:36:26.620 The FBI has used it.

01:36:30.280 The Democrats have used it.

01:36:32.580 I mean, do they know who these people are?

01:36:36.720 I would assume that they don't.

01:36:38.740 Just based on the fact that anyone engaging with them should certainly know the background of what they did, that they tried to do with me, and what they've tried to do with this other human rights activist, Thor Halpersen.

01:36:52.560 You know, these people are professional liars, essentially.

01:36:56.220 And so, you know, I don't have any insight into the credibility of the Trump dossier.

01:37:03.820 I understand that the person who he subcontracted is quite well regarded, but Glenn Simpson is a professional liar.

01:37:11.340 He has gone out and lied on behalf of Vladimir Putin and on behalf of some Venezuelan oligarchs, and that's to try to discredit human rights activists, and that's not a good thing.

01:37:23.800 Okay, so let's go over, because Donald Trump Jr. finally admitted that, yes, he met with Natalia Veselnitskaya and others.

01:37:36.100 First, it was just her.

01:37:37.160 They were talking adoption.

01:37:38.700 Then it came out as more.

01:37:40.860 First, let's start with her.

01:37:43.980 Who is she?

01:37:45.840 So Natalia Veselnitskaya, so this is the lady who showed up at Trump Tower, the Russian lawyer.

01:37:50.760 She didn't go there on her own volition, on her own initiative.

01:37:55.160 She went there being paid for and funded by a family in Russia.

01:38:00.600 It's a family called the Katsiv family, K-A-T-S-Y-V.

01:38:04.520 The Katsiv family is headed by a man named Peter or Pyotr Katsiv.

01:38:10.780 He was the former transportation minister of the Moscow region, which is a region the size of France.

01:38:18.400 He's now a vice president in the second most important Russian government-owned company called Russian Railways, and he's a very wealthy man.

01:38:26.740 His family is very wealthy, and he's a senior member of the Putin regime.

01:38:32.240 She was there in New York on his dime.

01:38:36.620 He was paying for her time and effort, and she was there with one specific ask.

01:38:42.920 And let's not mince words here.

01:38:47.160 She was not talking about adoption.

01:38:50.140 Her meaning had nothing to do with adoption.

01:38:53.140 It's a total red herring to be throwing out this adoption nonsense.

01:38:59.060 She was there to talk about trying to repeal a piece of legislation, which is on the books in America, which punishes Russian torturers and murderers, and make sure that they can't use the American banking system or come and travel to America.

01:39:13.980 That's what she was there to do.

01:39:16.760 And that was where she was there to ask the son of the possible future next president of the United States for that particular favor.

01:39:26.420 Okay, we know this is true because of the documents that Donald Trump Jr. himself was forced to release by the New York Times, that they were more than eager to hear the dirt and to accept that the Russian government was for them.

01:39:47.400 They got this really through a friend, the Al-Ghalarov family.

01:39:52.240 Now, the way this is being spun is that Donald Trump was a hapless dupe, and this Al-Ghalarov is not a bad guy, and so what if he has some dealings with the Russian government that's not – this is just a guy who's a businessman that Donald Trump knows.

01:40:11.280 Is that true?

01:40:11.880 Well, you know, I don't know what was going on on the side of the Trumps.

01:40:17.280 I honestly don't.

01:40:18.700 I mean, if anyone had done any even basic Google search on this woman, they would have found out that her main public claim to fame is representing the same family as they were being indicted by the U.S. Department of Justice for money laundering in connection with the $230 million that Magnitsky discovered.

01:40:39.040 I mean, that's not a particularly good resume filler to get a meeting.

01:40:44.620 And so either they didn't do a basic Google search, or they did and just decided to hold their nose when they had the meeting.

01:40:53.860 Let me play devil's advocate here with you.

01:40:56.560 So what?

01:40:57.340 I mean, John Adams was representing the British, and that's very unpopular.

01:41:02.900 What is the problem with a defendant, no matter – you know, Al Capone needed an attorney.

01:41:11.440 What's the problem?

01:41:13.440 Well, there's no problem with him needing an attorney, but there's a problem if Al Capone had met with a presidential candidate to say,

01:41:21.200 hey, could you get me off of my crimes?

01:41:23.220 That would be a little bit of a different story.

01:41:26.800 So tell me about Agalarov.

01:41:29.080 Do you know anything about him?

01:41:30.280 I only know about him from what I read in the paper.

01:41:34.660 He's another Russian oligarch that was friends probably with Mr. Kotzev because these guys travel in packs,

01:41:42.400 but I don't have any specific knowledge about him.

01:41:44.560 Okay.

01:41:45.240 So when that meeting happened, I believe Paul Manafort was in that meeting, was he not?

01:41:50.560 Paul Manafort is a guy that I've been trying to explain to our audience for quite some time,

01:41:55.860 is deeply in with the Russians.

01:41:59.760 You want to give a little bit of background on him and then what he had to have known about this meeting?

01:42:07.360 Well, so Paul Manafort has a very dubious background.

01:42:12.200 He's worked for a lot of kleptocrats and dictators around the world.

01:42:16.660 But the one that's most relevant to our conversation is that he was working for this guy.

01:42:22.820 His name was Viktor Yanukovych, who at one time was the president of Ukraine.

01:42:29.540 And how people often think of Ukraine and Russia being at war, he was the Russians' puppet in Ukraine.

01:42:34.740 So he was Putin's guy in Ukraine.

01:42:37.600 And effectively, the reason that Ukraine and Russia are at war now is because the Ukrainian people,

01:42:42.980 when they discovered how much money he stole from the country, they drove him out.

01:42:47.560 He had to flee in the middle of the night on a helicopter.

01:42:50.020 And then the next day, they discovered his compound with like gold-plated taps and a garage with 120 classic cars

01:42:59.140 and duck ponds and all sorts of crazy stuff.

01:43:01.600 This guy was a total, absolute crook.

01:43:04.240 It was Putin's crook.

01:43:05.540 And he was the boss of Paul Manafort.

01:43:08.260 And Paul Manafort's job was to keep him in power.

01:43:10.980 So when, when the emails, which he was, he was on the email chain was going around and a meeting was asked

01:43:23.000 and he saw Natalia Valadnitskaya, her name there and what they were going to talk about.

01:43:30.440 Any doubt in your mind that Paul Manafort knew exactly what this meeting was, who was behind it,

01:43:40.040 and that it's a meeting that nobody in a presidential campaign should be having?

01:43:45.760 You know, it's, it's, um, you know, that's what it looks like on the surface,

01:43:50.940 but I don't really want to get into sort of trying to define his state of mind.

01:43:54.440 I don't know what he was thinking or not thinking.

01:43:56.700 I, you know, is there any way that he didn't know who the,

01:43:59.980 if he read the emails that he didn't know that this was Russian government coming in?

01:44:06.840 Well, the email suggested that for sure.

01:44:09.140 I mean, so let's put it this way.

01:44:10.800 If I had read the emails, I would have known that, but I don't know what he was thinking.

01:44:14.000 And I, and it would be wrong for me to put my own thoughts in his mind.

01:44:18.140 You tracked, um, a lot of this corruption here to the United States.

01:44:23.840 Uh, and a lot of this money has come to the United States.

01:44:28.120 Um, do the companies here in the U S are they aware of what's going on?

01:44:33.060 The, the FBI, DOJ, anywhere in the U S government, anywhere, anybody doing anything about the

01:44:39.220 massive money laundering that's going on with the Russians here with U S companies?

01:44:45.360 Um, uh, a tiny bit.

01:44:47.280 I mean, we, we, we, we identified some of the money from, from the murder of Sergei Magnitsky

01:44:52.300 and, and, uh, and we, we, we alerted the justice department and they opened up a very big

01:44:57.580 criminal case, um, and had a lot of lawyers working on it and it eventually settled.

01:45:03.060 Um, for $6 million and, but, but they, I think it was a, it was a tough and strong team

01:45:08.060 from, from the DOJ.

01:45:10.280 Um, having said that, um, I, let me answer the question more broadly, which is that effectively

01:45:15.880 all Russia and a lot of other crooks and kleptocrats are getting away with, um, murder as far as

01:45:21.100 the financing and financial flows in the United States go and other countries as well.

01:45:26.080 I mean, I would say that 99.9% of dirty money goes to where it's intended to go without being

01:45:32.620 disrupted in any way.

01:45:34.680 Years ago, I was on CNN and I did an interview after, I can't remember his name.

01:45:39.640 He was killed by Putin, um, in England.

01:45:42.780 And they gave him some polonium, uh, what is it?

01:45:47.100 Two 12 or two 20 or whatever it is.

01:45:50.500 Uh, yes.

01:45:52.460 Thank you.

01:45:53.060 Um, and I was talking to a guy who was here in the United States.

01:45:56.260 He was also a guy who was, Putin was after.

01:46:00.040 Um, and he gave me a long list of all the people that had been killed around.

01:46:03.480 Uh, and, uh, about six months later, uh, he was, I think he died in a car accident.

01:46:11.100 Um, and I've, I've, I've always wondered if that was Putin or if that was a car accident.

01:46:17.060 Um, you, the people around you are dying, um, and you're continuing.

01:46:24.520 Do you, have you made peace with this?

01:46:29.800 Have I made peace with, with, uh, well, I mean, I, you know, basically my,

01:46:33.480 my, my psychology is that Sergei Magnitsky, who was my lawyer, um, was in a much graver

01:46:40.460 danger, much, much more tenuous situation.

01:46:43.440 And he never sacrificed his integrity and he fought for truth and justice and for his

01:46:48.800 loyalty to me.

01:46:50.480 And, and he died doing that.

01:46:52.760 And I'm in a, you know, I may be in danger, but I'm in a much safer situation.

01:46:56.660 You have, and you have the, do you have the 24 security?

01:47:00.960 And I mean, have you, have you ever seen any direct attempt coming your way or, or threat

01:47:08.540 coming your way?

01:47:10.060 Yeah.

01:47:10.800 Yeah, absolutely.

01:47:11.660 In a lot of different ways and the threats are coming to my way on a regular basis.

01:47:15.520 I mean, the, the prime minister of Russia at the, at the world economic forum in Davos was

01:47:20.160 asked by a number of, of prominent journalists.

01:47:23.100 What, what do you have to say about the Magnitsky case?

01:47:25.340 And he said, it's too bad that Sergei Magnitsky is dead and Bill Browder is still alive and

01:47:29.580 running around.

01:47:30.860 That's the prime minister of Russia saying that.

01:47:34.300 Wow.

01:47:36.780 Bill, um, we will add you to our prayers.

01:47:40.040 Um, and I appreciate the way you've handled yourself, um, in front of, uh, uh, in front of

01:47:47.200 Congress and here, not wanting to, uh, um, just get involved in the politics.

01:47:53.220 I've given you a couple of opportunities and you took me up on none of them.

01:47:56.920 And I, uh, I really appreciate that.

01:48:00.940 Uh, thank you for your integrity on this and your willingness to stand up in facing your

01:48:06.660 own personal danger.

01:48:07.640 Thank you so much, sir.

01:48:09.180 Thank you.

01:48:10.020 You bet.

01:48:10.440 Bye-bye.

01:48:11.620 Bill Browder.

01:48:12.360 He is the CEO of Hermitage Capital Management.

01:48:14.660 Seems like a standup guy.

01:48:16.480 He does.

01:48:17.080 He's got, he's, he's got a weird past, a very weird past.

01:48:21.760 Yeah.

01:48:21.920 I don't know much about his past.

01:48:23.220 Jason.

01:48:23.700 He renounced his citizenship, right?

01:48:24.980 Yeah.

01:48:25.180 He renounced his American citizenship.

01:48:27.200 Oh, why?

01:48:27.960 Um, I'm not.

01:48:29.000 Years and years ago.

01:48:29.600 That would have been an interesting question.

01:48:31.260 I didn't realize.

01:48:31.760 I would like to have him on again.

01:48:33.420 Yeah.

01:48:33.820 And we'll ask him that.

01:48:34.760 But I'd like to know that he's also at one point, I think he was a communist, wasn't

01:48:39.300 he?

01:48:39.460 No, his grandfather was.

01:48:41.060 Yeah, his grandfather.

01:48:41.640 That's right.

01:48:42.040 His grandfather was a communist.

01:48:44.500 The head of the party, actually.

01:48:46.380 Communist Party USA.

01:48:47.640 Yes.

01:48:48.160 Yeah.

01:48:48.900 So, I mean, he's got a very different, and now to be the head of a, you know,

01:48:52.980 a capital fund, a hedge fund, is really quite interesting.

01:48:56.680 He's got quite a life story to tell.

01:48:58.880 Um, and this is just another turn in it.

01:49:02.700 Um, but we have much more, um, this actually, full disclosure to you, this is actually just

01:49:11.540 some research, um, that we're doing on a much larger story that we hope to have finished

01:49:16.620 by the, uh, middle of September, uh, and, um, and be able to put all of this together

01:49:23.580 on a massive chalkboard so you can understand all of the pieces of the Russia story because

01:49:33.780 I am totally convinced, uh, it doesn't matter who was elected.

01:49:40.400 Anyone who is willing, and both Clinton and the Trump family, both willing to play footsies

01:49:47.460 with the Russians, it doesn't matter.

01:49:50.280 If Donald Trump would have lost, Hillary Clinton would have been here, and we would have had

01:49:53.580 the same kind of conversation that we're having now, and we all just would have switched

01:49:58.140 chairs, uh, we all would have been saying, oh, this has to be investigated, this is treason.

01:50:03.980 We would have been saying it.

01:50:05.540 Because Donald Trump won, they're saying it.

01:50:08.420 We need to find a way to come to the truth where we're both sides saying the same thing.

01:50:14.140 And the first thing you have to get to is, Putin is evil.

01:50:19.880 He is a stone-cold killer, and he is trying to cause chaos in the West and correct what

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7⧸28⧸17 - Why the GOP failed on health care reform ( Bill O'Reilly & Bill Browder Join Glenn)

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