8⧸8⧸17 - Could you stop using Google if you had to？ (Dinesh D'Souza joins Glenn)
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1 hour and 52 minutes
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Summary
A Google employee wrote a 10-page memo critiquing the company's leftist monopoly. Google fired the employee, and the left is celebrating. This is corporate fascism, and I don t want to try to convince you that you re not a fascist.
Transcript
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Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.
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We have the details in the last few minutes of Charlie Gard's life really touching.
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We want to share with you today also calling all fascists.
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I need to hear from somebody who really does not see what Google did as fascism.
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So if you happen to be somebody who has followed this story about,
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you know, one of their Google engineers saying,
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look, our diversity program is limiting diversity.
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There are reasons for some of these diversity problems,
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and we have to have an open and honest discussion about them.
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Boy, the left is celebrating that Google terminated him yesterday.
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And I don't want to try to convince you if you happen to be listening,
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you're like, Glenn, you're completely wrong on this.
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I want to hear from you because I do not understand your opinion.
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So if that's you, 888-727-BECK, call us right now.
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There's a lot to discuss about the road to fascism and Google and Apple and Facebook.
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Let's have that discussion, something that actually will make a difference in our lifetime.
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Google has fired an employee who wrote a 10-page memo critiquing the company's leftist monopoly.
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An anonymous employee had the bravery to write a 10-page memo.
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But I don't think there was anything in there I really disagreed with.
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He talks about diversity and that you cannot correct a diversity problem without looking at all of the facts.
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For instance, he talks about software engineers.
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And they are now at Google offering classes for different things.
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But if you are, for instance, a white male, you cannot attend those classes.
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Google is not allowing you to learn those things.
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How do you fix discrimination with discrimination?
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That's like, we're going to stop all these slave owners.
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And so, he points out that you're creating more problems by having these discriminatory practices.
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And now what he's saying is, there is a biological difference between men and women.
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Since when, since when, since when has men are for Mars, women are for Venus become crazy, bigoted, outrageous, needs to be banned?
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We all understand this if you live with a member of the opposite sex.
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There are things that women do and say and think and emote that for the life of me, I have tried.
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And no matter how hard I try, I just don't understand them all the time.
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We can look at each other just across the table and just like, there it is.
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Now, that doesn't mean we don't love them, appreciate them, hold them in a place that is exactly the same as me, as just as valid.
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And this is the thing that has become so frustrating to me lately is I don't understand this.
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We would never say, well, no, I can't even say this anymore.
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We would never say, you know, men are from Mars.
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And so we've got to blow up Mars or Venus before the other side gets here.
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And if you think like somebody from Mars or you think like somebody from Venus, you're the enemy.
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This is the heart wanting to be the head or the foot wanting to be the hand.
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I can't believe I'm in the position in this world to where I'm making the liberal case.
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To where I'm the one saying, no, it's the entire rainbow.
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Diversity, having a real conversation with somebody that is sometimes uncomfortable, makes you stronger.
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The only way we are honestly saying, well, I want an exercise routine that will make me stronger and healthy.
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But I don't I don't want to actually breathe heavy afterwards.
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I don't I don't want to be tired during and I want no pain of my muscles afterwards.
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You get one of those exercise machines from the 1920s that just moves your fat around.
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Now, let me let me ask people if you happen to agree with Google firing this guy.
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I don't know if there's going to be anybody in our audience.
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We have I have to be able to understand your point of view.
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I'm not going to belittle you, mock you, try to change your mind.
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And again, I feel like I'm in the position where the left is supposed to be.
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We are closer to being a a corporation than a country than ever before in my lifetime.
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This has been going down this road for a very long time.
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But as long as we had the Constitution, I foolishly dismissed that.
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We're in a place to where you're telling me that Facebook, Apple and Google don't or couldn't control the United States.
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Do you know, we found out last week that Apple alone has fifty six billion dollars worth of U.S. Treasury bonds.
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Now, we have a problem with countries holding our U.S. Treasury bonds because if they don't get their way, they can sell them and destabilize our economy.
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Anybody who says it's different this time, that should be your first sign that that person is not engaged in critical thinking.
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Because the first thing that you learn when you're engaged in critical thinking is it's never different this time.
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It's always what the people who are on this new bandwagon, that's what they always say just before things go bad.
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Human nature, what we're doing, what the left is doing, and I am convinced, and maybe I'm wrong, but I am convinced that there are those people on the left that are just as afraid of the Antifa movement as I am.
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That are just as afraid of what's happening on our college campuses, I am convinced that there are professors who helped unleash this nightmare who now realize, oh, wait a minute, because people are people.
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They're no different than many of us who thought our party was above all those things and realized, oh, crap, we're exactly the same.
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You can't tell me that there aren't those people in universities that aren't thinking, oh, crap, what are we doing?
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You also can't tell me that there aren't people in Google.
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Now, there are those because they have been educated with this post-modernism.
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They've been educated with all of that nonsense that they are no longer engaged in critical thinking.
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But you can't tell me that there's only this guy in Google that feels this way.
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The reason why Google fired this guy is because they need to silence them.
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They need to make sure that when they say that's not OK, what they're sending the message is and we will fire you.
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Now, let me ask you, a company that believes that they should fire instead of having a an intellectual dialogue.
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And I'm not talking about bringing in, you know, crazy people.
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I'm not saying you bring in flamethrowers and political nonsense.
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But have an actual dialogue with reasonable and educated people on both sides.
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And you both walk away going, wow, I never thought of it that way.
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I don't think I agree, but I never saw it that way.
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And if you're trying to silence the actual intellectual arguments of another side, you have become nothing more than the ancient church that would take scientists and lock them away or kill them.
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And I don't understand how that's not happening.
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Because a company that says we won't allow that kind of thinking in this company.
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How could that company allow their search engine to find that opinion?
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If that company becomes so locked in to its agenda and that it's right and nothing else is right.
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How could they possibly allow this monologue to be found on Google in a positive way?
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Because you've deemed this opinion bad for society.
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So isn't what they do now internally only a matter of time before they start doing it externally?
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We've got a couple of people who understand Google and agree with Google.
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but I really don't see since when here in America do corporations need legitimate reasons
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to fire someone they think is causing problems in their organization or in their company
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or does not agree with their future vision of the world.
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Let's make sure that we're not on legalistic terms
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because legally Google can run their company any way they want to run their company.
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When your diversity director is silencing those voices that are diverse from yours,
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there seems to be a problem, especially when it is a well-made case.
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Now, you as a company can do whatever you want.
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Well, here's the thing with companies and corporations, unlike governments.
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They require a lot more unity, a unity in purpose, a unity in vision.
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And if there's certain people in the corporation, say, for instance, there are the right-wingers,
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and this is a left, libtard, Grand Central Station.
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Obviously, those right-wingers need to keep their thoughts and their politics at home where it belongs
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and should not bring it out into the corporation world at all because that's not why they're there.
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No, because the corporate culture is bringing these social justice politics out
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because they say they're trying to create a better world.
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So what this person was saying was, wait, but you're not including me at that.
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I don't think it's right to shove people into a closet, no matter what their point of view is.
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How, if you're trying to be diverse and celebrate diversity,
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when an intellectually solid posing view is presented,
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how do you silence that and still claim you're for diversity?
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I'm seeing a lot of phone calls up on the board,
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and I want to make sure that you understand what I'm asking you
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on this Google firing of one of their engineers.
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What I'm asking you is not did Google have the right to do it.
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They could do whatever their shareholders, you know, accept.
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So, okay, they want to fire somebody who disagrees with them.
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I have the first person I hired at the blaze was a woman who was pro-choice,
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I never once said, okay, keep that to yourself.
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She now directs the, she now directs Meet the Press.
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She was my director at Fox and my director here at the blaze.
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She's from San Francisco, as left and progressive as they come.
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I used to ask for her opinion in crowds, after shows.
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What did I say that you wouldn't understand or X, Y, Z?
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If somebody, you're working for somebody who has an opinion,
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that doesn't mean that you can express your opinion
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But you should never be afraid of expressing your opinion,
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especially if the boss says to you, which Google did,
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But if it has some intellectual rigor behind it,
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Without showing yourself to be an absolute hypocrite at best,
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This is almost everyone's gateway to information,
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and they can pull down all the offensive stuff.
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has Facebook had this conversation that Google is now having,
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sound and good for the body to be able to wrestle with those questions?
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does Google start just so they can be consistent and don't be evil?
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just because they can make sure that they're changing the world for the better
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do they take the steps to start silencing these opinions elsewhere?
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because they didn't want those ideas around here.
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right yeah I could barely watch Dunkirk because
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Dallas I think it went over either Dallas or it
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that's that sounds great apparently that's Wow I disagree with you on that one yeah and also there are those that are being programmed to act as if they are being raped and they are now making them child size and listen to this the obvious first step would be have hearings and to do studies to determine how serious this threat is and if there are any real benefits to having sex bots.
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threat is and if there are any real benefits to having sex bots programmed to uh to simulate being
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raped okay now the argument is that perhaps they'll do that to the robot rather than an actual
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person yeah but seeing that it's all about power and control and really not even about women um
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i don't think that these rapists would be seeing the difference between a robot and a woman uh
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maybe it's just me i think this is a disturbing trend um that maybe we should probably start
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thinking about we have so many things that are happening now uh with ai and our world is going
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to be so different in 10 years we're just we're just not going to recognize it and all of this
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groundwork is being laid right now all of the things that we're like yeah yeah yeah that's you
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know that's crazy that'll never happen that's all being laid right now all of these decisions are
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being made right now and generally by giant corporations we were talking earlier about
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google and the firing of the google engineer does google have a right to fire that engineer yes
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should they fire that engineer well in my opinion not when you ask for help on you know their
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diversity programs and hey we're inclusive and we want to make sure that all voices are heard
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and then when you express that you know in a in a very cogent and scientific way and lead with look
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neither side is 100 right here but we shouldn't shut down one side or the other we really need to
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come together and start talking about these things to fire that person sends a chilling message
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through the company i'm concerned about it because if google is so convinced that it's right
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and righteous what stops them from taking this in the future and filtering things the way they want to
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filter what's stopping us from being this this country that is run by corporations i've never been that guy
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but if you're telling me that facebook google and apple are not the companies that the left was
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warning us about they all thought it was going to be exxon yeah exxon controls the energy but there's also
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other ways to get energy now this is the information and the the the glancing into our lives and shaping of our minds
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between apple amazon facebook and google is there a more important and critical group of companies
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that could change the world overnight should they choose
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no probably not i don't think there's ever been companies that have been more important than those
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and i certainly don't want the government involved in that i'm not suggesting that
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but should these companies become more arrogant and say well we're all about science
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and you're just a science denier what stops them from completely cutting you off
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from everything well and that's why it's important to not look at these things like their utilities
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like you can't just depend on these things you know i mean it is up to us if google wants to delete
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every single right-wing thing from their search engine that is their right they absolutely can do it at
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any time now it's bad for their business model and you'll lose half the country from going to your site
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but it's their it's absolutely their right to do that and i think like we obviously have this idea that
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um you know for example someone with nazi propaganda right if someone wrote a memo to the entire company
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saying you know what hitler was right and the jews uh should should have been in the gas chambers
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everyone would be like okay yes we get it there are lines right to that we would understand him being fired
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for for something like that um the issue is the left in this country is trying to turn
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very basic human truths into as poisonous as nazi propaganda yes and if we allow that to occur
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then you know what yeah every time you say you want lower taxes you'll get fired like that there is an
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end to that road eventually where we get there and that is the conclusion to it if we aren't sitting
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here and making sure that when these things happen we do fight them you're not that doesn't mean you're
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going to change the culture of google overall but you have to push back somebody has to stand but but
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you know i am more convinced that almost everything that we have done in the last that i have done in
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the last five years um has been um misguided um in the way of people don't need more information on news
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they really don't you can get all the information you want on news a hundred different places what they
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do need are facts they need education they need to know history know the difference an unbiased look
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at communism fascism uh capitalism understand what those things are learn critical thinking not
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what what to think but how to think how do i search for the answers how do i how do i how do i find
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um the truth myself is there truth those questions that socrates wrestled with are the same questions that we
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should be wrestling with now and we're just expecting google to solve them and they're just going to tell us
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and then we'll just go along with it listen to this there is now connecticut college uh sorry
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connecticut connecticut college psychology professor joan chrysler is talking about fat shaming
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she says fat shaming speaking with obese patients about losing weight she argues that fat patients are told to lose
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weight by their no therapy yep such shaming she says is mentally and physically harmful and can stigmatize
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a patient and lead to a misdiagnosis asserting that doctors repeatedly advise for weight loss for fat
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patients while recommending cat scans blood work or physical therapy or other average weight patients
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she argues recommending different treatments for patients with the same condition based on their
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weight is unethical and a form of malpractice by the way this is part of her presentation weapons of mass
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distraction confronting size ism go ahead and laugh okay
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i mean that's how is it how is it fat shaming i mean it look it's no if you've watched me if you've
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seen me in the last few years you've seen that i've gained 40 pounds and it part of that 40 pounds has
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been from chocolate cake and i've enjoyed probably 20 of the 40 pounds but there is also something else
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going on with my body and i mean i cannot lose the weight and i really i mean i went on atkins and
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gained five pounds and i was on strict atkins that i should have lost like 15 pounds i went to a doctor
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just recently and he said that's not possible and i'm like uh yeah it is it is possible it's happening
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to me okay so then after a doctor telling me and me agreeing not willingly but agreeing you gotta eat
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smaller portions you gotta you know you gotta exercise you gotta move you gotta do all that stuff
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okay you're doing all that stuff and it's still not working well if you got a doctor who's just like
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you gotta stop eating you gotta stop eating doctor i'm not oh you gotta stop eating you're just a fat
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fat fatty fat soul that's that's a bad thing but how is it that we are we could be going down the road
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of socialism where we have to tell people if you want treatment you have to be a certain size
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you can't smoke you can't do these things you have to exercise or we cannot as a society afford your hip
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replacement or knee replacement surgery that's what's happening overseas and it's going to happen
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here but if i tell you you have to lose weight how dare you the same socialist will say that's fat
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shaming it's the google thing all over again right it's prioritizing feelings over physical truths
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uh in both stories i mean think about that you're putting someone in medical danger because you don't
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want to make them feel bad that they're overweight and yet and yet those same socialists will not have
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a problem with shaming people like the guy at google who was just fired what was that if not
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intellectual shaming you're a bigot you're a racist you're a sexist you have no place here at google
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you know stew said look at his resume he's not going to have a hard time finding a job i disagree with
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you you're the guy fired from google because you're a sexist you think that guy gets hired in any big
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company and somebody doesn't follow up on that's where he's working that company hired him they will
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i mean again you have an advantage if you can get past the fact that you're going to be criticized
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for having diverse opinions if you can get past that as a company you have an advantage over other
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companies you can get this guy probably below market value because you if you can just take the fact
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that you're gonna get some tweets for a few weeks i wish we had a job for him i'd hire him well i mean i'm
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sure he could do you know no it's like he would come here it'd be like dealing with ants he'd be like
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why am i talking to glenn he's like an intellectual ant no yeah we get a lot of seen my resume get a
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lot of that from our resumes and now and now this north korea has responded to the u.s uh drafted
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sanctions adopted by the u.n security council quote there is no bigger mistake than the united
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states believing it can land uh that its land is safe because it's across the ocean the north korean
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response also said it would never relinquish its missile and nuclear arsenals i just saw a report
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today on how many people are willing to accept a nuclear north korea in america it was 11 percent
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and i thought this is the dumbest survey i've ever seen because how many people are willing to have
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millions of deaths to prove that point people don't understand how close we are to really bad stuff
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800-200-7163 preparewithglenn.com this is the glenn beck program mercury
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the glenn beck program i have to tell you this is not going to be this is not going to go well
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um for some people um in reading the uh book by dinesh d'souza the big lie exposing the nazi roots
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of the american left where he is comparing hitler's you know 1927 speeches to the democratic party
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platform uh where he is showing the um the events of the past in comparison to the events of the days
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uh and the actual historic roots uh here in america he's not going to say anything controversial
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no i don't think so no i don't think so the big lie exposing the nazi roots of the american left
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uh okay a uh a friend of ours who has gone to jail for his opinion uh and uh so much more
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he's not gonna have any difficulty with his new book called the big lie exposing the nazi roots
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of the american left dinesh d'souza is here and we begin right now
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i will make a stand i will raise my voice i will hold your hand
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because we are one i will beat my drum i have made my choice we will overcome
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the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment this is the glenn beck program welcome to the
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program dinesh how are you good to be on are you are you ready for the pushback that you're going to
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get on this book well i'm excited about the book because i you know a lot of my books i i know what
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i'm going to say when i start out and i have an argument and i develop the evidence and i lay it
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out so for example in the hillary book hillary's america i i knew that there was a long complicity
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of the democratic party with racism for example it was just a matter of documenting it laying it out
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here with this book um of course i had read a few things about it jonah goldberg's liberal fascism
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um i noticed that there were sort of eerie similarities between things going on on both
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sides of the atlantic and it's really interesting to compare for example look at the ku klux klan in
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america uh and then look at the nazi brown shirts right they both grow at about the same time they
01:16:45.200
both get three to five million members in both groups you have people who love to wear ridiculous
01:16:50.360
costumes uh love to do songs and salutes love to do nightly raids uh love to humiliate people are
01:16:57.440
into racial terrorism in both cases they're the wing of a political party in one case the democratic
01:17:02.780
party the clan in the other case the nazi party so i thought you know this is going to be very
01:17:08.140
interesting to develop these parallels but what i didn't realize is that there actually was you may
01:17:13.260
say intimate relations oh yeah um between the left in this country and the democrats and the fascists
01:17:20.120
in italy and the nazis in germany and all of this has been covered up yeah the the the connections
01:17:25.520
between the early american progressive um movement uh i mean i have letters and documentation myself
01:17:33.320
from the i think it's the human betterment society in in california uh from the germans saying thank you
01:17:43.420
for coming up you have woken a country of 60 million people to this eugenics project and uh hitler is going
01:17:52.280
to get fully behind this i mean it it they were deeply tied into what became the holocaust and it's
01:18:01.620
all buried and proud of their association yes very proud i'm kind of amused about there's this guy
01:18:07.140
madison grant who was a um a progressive head of the new york zoological society yeah um a big advocate
01:18:15.300
of um of um eugenics and he gets a letter from hitler he's super excited so he goes to these other
01:18:23.200
other progressive icon and he goes hey check out my letter from hitler and that guy goes wait right
01:18:28.520
here goes to his library produces his letter from hitler so this is a really good example of how the
01:18:33.780
american progressives were aware that they have they were shaping the nazi uh sterilization program but
01:18:41.420
also the euthanasia program yes yes and they were very proud of it yes um i posted a facebook post um
01:18:49.880
uh maybe two years ago uh and it was the the national socialist party platform in the 20s
01:19:00.420
and it seemed very familiar to me you um talk about a speech that hitler gave in 27 where he said
01:19:12.080
we're all socialists we are the enemies of today's capitalist system of exploitation and we are determined
01:19:18.680
to destroy this system under all conditions um they had a 25 point program the nationalization of large
01:19:26.480
corporations trusts government control of banking and credit the seizure of land without compensation
01:19:32.360
if it was for public use the splitting of large land holdings into smaller units confiscation of
01:19:37.720
war profits prosecution of bankers and other lenders on grounds of usury abolition of incomes unearned by
01:19:45.000
work profit sharing for workers in all large companies broader pension system paying higher benefits
01:19:51.000
and universal free health care and universal free education if you read that platform at a democratic
01:19:57.380
national convention you'd get thunderous applause and uh and i think that's true of mussolini speeches
01:20:04.160
for example um fascism and nazism were firmly on the left and uh in one of the chapters i traced the
01:20:12.160
genesis of fascism it arose out of a what's called the crisis of marxism marx had made all these
01:20:19.340
predictions that um communist revolution was coming to germany was coming to england and when it didn't
01:20:25.880
happen the really smart socialists sat around they scratched their heads and they said we've got it we've
01:20:31.120
got to revise marx we see he got something fundamentally wrong and in the 20th century out of that crisis of
01:20:37.940
marxism come two new things one leninist bolshevism and the other mussolini's fascism they both are
01:20:45.660
spin-offs from socialism they're on the same side of the aisle and because of world war ii and because
01:20:51.400
hitler was on one side the soviets were on the other this has made it really easy for progressives
01:20:56.180
to pretend like if communism is on the left fascism must be on the right but this misses of course the
01:21:03.640
fact that sister ideologies do go to war and they're they're they're relatively the same
01:21:11.440
one is about workers of the world and one is about workers of the nation uniting it's it's pretty much
01:21:18.780
nationalism versus uh world uh domination under a grand unifying theory um of we're all in this one
01:21:30.540
together but it's the same awful stew is it not it absolutely is and even that distinction is blurred
01:21:38.100
because although lenin talked about international socialism as soon as stalin came in yeah he said
01:21:44.880
mother russia socialism in one country so if you think about it stalin was a national socialist just
01:21:51.420
like hitler so um help me out on uh where have you you've seen what's going on with google absolutely
01:21:59.880
um this is not going to lead anywhere good um and i i i can't believe that those people who have said
01:22:12.820
they've been kept in a closet for their viewpoint or their sexuality or whatever their whole life
01:22:18.420
are now shoving people into closets and and silencing people i i don't understand how
01:22:28.160
the average person the average democrat isn't starting to become afraid of what they're unleashing
01:22:38.980
in universities uh and in in the silencing of those who can make a a reasonable rational and
01:22:47.840
scientific argument so so this really is the fascist mindset and i say this because typically if we look
01:22:54.720
around america now we would think that the best example of fascism would be say these antifa guys
01:23:00.420
dressed in masks carrying weapons bike locks and bats they're there to threaten to intimidate to beat
01:23:07.920
people up so they look a lot like mussolini's brown black shirts from the 20s but i think there's a
01:23:13.380
deeper fascism that's a much bigger problem than the guys on the street at berkeley and that is the
01:23:18.800
fascism of the institutions so the nazis had a term called gleichschaltung which basically means
01:23:24.900
coordination but their idea was we have a society everybody's got to march in line in lockstep they've
01:23:31.640
got to be in sync with nazi ideology and if they fall out we have to pressure them we have to cajole
01:23:38.400
them we have to force them and this gleichschaltung is now in america it's on the left it's called
01:23:44.340
political correctness but i don't just mean you use the wrong word i'm talking about the way in
01:23:49.700
which hollywood the media academia and now corporations like google if you fall athwart
01:23:56.460
the ideology they will they will ruin you they'll fire you they will humiliate you uh they will make
01:24:02.640
you into a pariah um this kind of thing is is very scary and um and it has a deep parallel with what
01:24:10.180
was going on in europe in the middle of the century you know i have deep respect for you
01:24:14.100
right right oh no that's what he says to me usually when he insults i don't mean i'm not going to insult
01:24:21.680
you um those on the right who do not agree with my point of view of donald trump have done all of
01:24:31.280
those things that you have described in fact they have been as vicious in some ways more vicious
01:24:39.100
than the the soros group that went after me on the left there is a there is a love in this country
01:24:49.200
right now of winning at all costs and destroying anyone who stands against you that is truly frightening
01:24:58.240
you know i have to agree with that i um i i was thinking the other day that when i came to america in
01:25:06.020
the late 70s i'm a young reaganite from my college days american politics was a gentleman's quarrel
01:25:13.120
and one could envision reagan and tip o'neill having it out but then you could you could see
01:25:18.200
them having a beer afterward uh and at the end of the day there was a shared belief that you know tip
01:25:24.000
of o'neill you know he loved america and we we all want america to be prosperous we want america to
01:25:31.080
be strong we want america to be the world's leader we might disagree about how to share the spoils
01:25:36.360
uh what should how american prosperity should be distributed but it's a debate about means not
01:25:42.740
about ends and it just occurred to me how how much all of that has broken down now i don't i blame
01:25:48.940
the left because i think that the breakdown started with obama and by that i mean the deploying of the
01:25:54.380
government against your critics uh the willingness to sort of treat your critic not just as a political
01:26:00.000
adversary but as a real enemy somebody you'd like to see put out of business altogether and i think
01:26:06.580
that it is that dysfunctional atmosphere that produced trump in other words the ordinary republican
01:26:11.460
goes we appointed all these nice guys one after the other there was bob dole self-deprecating and witty
01:26:18.060
there was john mccain war hero there was the super squeaky clean cut romney and yet all these guys
01:26:24.780
began to helplessly flail in the wind as they were converted into lucifer by the other side all right
01:26:30.800
enough of all that we're gonna get a real tough guy and he may be not be all that straight around the
01:26:35.880
edges but he can throw a punch and he can take a punch we've got to fight like those guys so it is this
01:26:41.620
kind of bare-knuckled atmosphere that we're in now and i don't think that it is you know to say that i
01:26:48.520
mean you know me where i stand on obama um but to say that it was obama i mean today is the uh today
01:26:54.520
is the anniversary of the nixon resignation enemies list nixon and i think this is the real problem
01:27:02.140
in america we keep looking at left and right we keep which is bogus in america the way it is you know
01:27:10.720
they've made the left and right in america to be the european left and right and that is not true
01:27:17.900
right is small government almost anarchy and left is total government be it fascism totalitarianism
01:27:27.460
whatever um it's that those are our two rights the left and right in america but it has become this
01:27:34.560
democratic and republican thing when richard nixon was a gigantic progressive it's progressivism
01:27:42.920
in the early 20th century that was was fueling much of what was happening in germany and um teaching
01:27:52.740
and they were teaching us in the same way i mean it was a cozy get-together and when you have
01:28:00.600
progressivism not recognized in both parties on both sides as people who just want control of other
01:28:10.720
people that's where we're having this battle because we can point to each other and say well
01:28:16.620
you did this yeah because my side has that gene in it too absolutely well progressivism was in both
01:28:23.640
parties even at the beginning now the republican version of it was softer than the democratic version
01:28:29.380
so for example teddy roosevelt although he used some darwinist rhetoric about survival of the fittest
01:28:35.140
was thinking mainly about foreign policy and if you talk to him about something like forced
01:28:39.980
sterilization i think he would family man that he was i will blanch a little bit although i will get
01:28:45.220
i will get you i have upstairs i have letters from him that will horrify you on sterilization and the
01:28:52.500
selecting of we're going to look at humans i think the quote is um like the dumbest farmers even
01:28:58.500
even even on farms we don't let our best stock breed with our worst stock i mean he was pretty clear on
01:29:06.100
some of that spooky stuff yeah i've i've read some things that have made my you know my eyebrows go up
01:29:11.220
and um uh but um this all took such a bad turn in the 20s and 30s in europe um one of the discoveries
01:29:20.660
in the book that really startled me was the degree to which when the nazis got together to write the
01:29:25.820
nuremberg laws and they were all sitting around the table all these top guy head of the justice
01:29:29.860
department and so on explain for people who don't know what the nuremberg so the nuremberg laws were
01:29:34.140
the laws that made jews into second class citizens they involved segregation of jews into ghettos
01:29:39.260
state-sponsored discrimination keeping the jews out of certain professions and later they were
01:29:44.580
modified for confiscation of jewish property and so on so the nazis go they they had a it's one of the
01:29:51.140
nazi meetings we have transcripts of why because the nazis go we're the first people in the world
01:29:56.200
to be creating a racist state it's fantastic so watch us do it and one of the guys who was there
01:30:02.440
had studied in the united states and he goes time out guys sorry to interrupt the party but a racial
01:30:07.740
state has already been created by the democratic party in america we're not the first people to this
01:30:12.980
picnic they've already done it and all the questions we're exploring intermarriage between groups
01:30:18.640
segregation discrimination they've been there for years so the nazis then immediately consult
01:30:25.660
the democratic laws let's remember all every segregation law in the south passed by a democratic
01:30:31.220
legislature signed by a democratic governor enforced by democratic officials so the nazis take a look at
01:30:36.560
this and they go fantastic let's just cross out the word black right in the word jew and we're off to
01:30:43.100
the races now to me the most sort of poignantly pungent aspect of this debate is at one point
01:30:50.060
the nazis begin to debate who is a jew because there's a lot of intermarriage that's been going
01:30:55.420
on since the middle ages and the nazis are not sure if you can classify someone as a jew who's only let's
01:31:01.060
say half jewish again the nazi who had studied in america i think his name was krieger he goes problem
01:31:07.420
solved in america they have the one drop rule basically if you have any black any visible blackness
01:31:14.180
in you you're black and this is where the whole story gets kind of crushing the nazis look at each
01:31:19.140
other and they go that's too much basically they're saying the democrats are too racist for us
01:31:24.600
we can't go with the one drop rule and and in fact the nuremberg laws as they were written you need
01:31:31.020
three jewish grandparents to count as jewish so the the nazis you may say took a softer line
01:31:38.300
than the democratic party on the question of racial identity the name of the book is the big lie
01:31:43.820
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the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment this this is the glenn beck program mercury
01:33:02.300
this is the glenn beck program with dinesh d'souza his book is called the big lie exposing the nazi
01:33:12.460
roots of the american left um you say really controversial things in here um that that i know
01:33:20.220
the the research behind it is absolutely solid i have done the research i have many of the letters
01:33:28.400
that you are um uh talking about in here in one of the chapters you talk about how fdr um was america's
01:33:37.160
first fascist dictator um and people find so they find that so offensive but they they are not again
01:33:48.180
looking back at the time at the time the progressives and many americans this is before
01:33:56.540
it had all been discredited thought that that's what a big state that the big state was the scientific
01:34:02.820
way to go it's very difficult for us in the aftermath of world war ii in an era where fascism
01:34:09.960
and nazism have been completely stained by the odor of holocaust it's really hard for us to think why
01:34:15.460
anyone would have been attracted to those ideologies and so in order to understand this
01:34:20.400
it's almost like you've got to put some historical you've got to get in a time machine
01:34:24.800
and go before those things happened um and and see what appealed about fascism so the fascists
01:34:32.840
uh talked about society as an as an organism and each individual is a cell your your life has no
01:34:40.880
value by itself but like any cell your value is what you contribute to the whole pick it back up
01:34:47.000
with their dinesh d'souza the big lie when we come back
01:35:06.220
the glenn beck program dinesh d'souza is here the big lie is the book exposing the nazi roots of
01:35:15.620
the american left uh he was explaining how fdr uh was america's first fascist dictator and i know
01:35:25.280
that sounds uh horrible to say now but we have to look at history as it is at the time they thought
01:35:32.140
fascism and totalitarianism big state was the future they thought it was the new scientific
01:35:38.060
progressive way uh and all of this other stuff where you know people got together in their towns it
01:35:45.140
was just outdated and old and antiquated and wouldn't work socialism and fascism and progressivism
01:35:51.200
these are the three great collectivist movements of the last century uh it was an era in which words
01:35:57.380
like dictator were positive yes because the dictator is somebody who gave instructions and got things
01:36:02.020
done totalitarianism for mussolini was a good word mussolini's point is you can't have a fragmented
01:36:08.020
society we need to have a totalitarian society in which everything is operating toward a singular
01:36:14.780
purpose it's nebuchadnezzar i mean it's as old as history itself nebuchadnezzar let's make bricks if
01:36:22.400
we all make bricks if we all are the same and we're working to a one goal we'll be able to build a tower
01:36:28.360
to reach heaven it's the same thing and it never works and and and and the progressives like the
01:36:34.340
fascist saw democracy as a mechanism to achieve power but not something to take too seriously
01:36:40.720
i mean when fdr's new deal schemes were being blocked by the supreme court what does fdr do he
01:36:47.420
basically goes let's stack the court let let me appoint six new justices so i essentially have
01:36:53.180
created a majority and uh the only reason he didn't do it is the court essentially buckled in
01:36:59.260
and gave in to him now the progressives today in the textbooks they wittily describe this as
01:37:04.080
the switch in time that saved nine they're basically talking about the trampling of democratic
01:37:09.620
institutions as some kind of a joke uh but that's how fdr treated it and so there's a fascist streak i
01:37:16.340
wouldn't say fdr became a full-fledged fascist dictator but there was a fascist streak in him
01:37:21.080
that is exactly why mussolini and even hitler thought he was like them so you have to read a book
01:37:27.560
they're hard to find um but i think i actually have an extra copy and when you do find them
01:37:32.400
sometimes this section of the book is taken out um but it was written by stuart chase who you know
01:37:38.280
uh named the new deal um and he was instrumental in the shaping of the of the totalitarian
01:37:47.060
view of the government so he he writes a book called uh the road on which we're traveling
01:37:54.840
and it's after it's just at the end of the war when we know we're going to win and he says okay so
01:38:01.620
after the war um these things are going to happen it's towards the end of the book and he says
01:38:07.280
we now know that um fascism and totalitarianism are discredited so i don't know what we're going to call
01:38:16.200
this but will for our purposes here just call it system x and he says the united states now through
01:38:24.440
the last 20 years has put so much in that you will see system x which is totalitarianism and fascism
01:38:32.520
he just couldn't bring himself to call it that but he explains how it has been grown and put in
01:38:37.560
under the guise of freedom well interestingly if you think about the democrats today
01:38:43.680
and ask this question are there economic policies and i'm thinking here not just obama and hillary
01:38:49.820
but let's say bernie elizabeth warren are their economic policies more socialist in the marxist sense
01:38:56.480
or are they more fascist now if you look up fascism it says the definition is really clear
01:39:01.200
state-run capitalism if we think of obamacare um we have private corporations uh we have private
01:39:09.540
hospitals we have private insurance companies but the government is directing them the government
01:39:14.860
setting prices deciding on reimbursements deciding who gets coverage and for what it is what they've
01:39:20.800
said china is the new model which is state-run capitalism and then under obama state-run control
01:39:28.020
of banks insurance uh investment companies the energy sector increasingly higher education
01:39:34.240
so this is you know the old socialists would go and nationalize it all the socialists would take over
01:39:40.740
the energy industry and the government would go take out oil in midland texas but we don't do that
01:39:45.060
our economic policies that the democrats advocate are more classically fascist you go to midland texas
01:39:51.440
you drill the oil out you put it in the barrel and label it and then we will saunter in
01:39:56.320
to kind of take control of it and tell you what to do with that wealth so um
01:40:01.480
reading your book there's very little in there that isn't well documented and you're making a strong
01:40:14.260
case um however we are in a place now to where nobody even knows what fascism is nobody even knows
01:40:24.380
what communism is it's just a smear that both sides use you're making an intellectual case
01:40:31.440
and saying this is what it is and this is what the roots are here in america you can agree or disagree
01:40:37.700
but we're not going to have that conversation we're not going to have a conversation of you bring your
01:40:42.920
facts to the table i'll bring other facts to the table and we'll see which ones really hold up
01:40:48.400
and the test of time and scrutiny how do we how do you share facts like this without jamming fingers
01:41:00.500
into the other person's chest um and and being able to have a dialogue if we don't start if we don't
01:41:09.860
come to a place where martin luther king was where he said stop trying to win you've got to reconcile
01:41:18.500
if we can't come to the reconciliation of just ourselves with the historic truth we're doomed
01:41:26.400
now i i agree completely that that is the goal in other words king's beloved community that's where
01:41:33.280
we're trying to go here's the problem that for a generation for example as long as the left felt
01:41:39.000
that they could play the race card with impunity they were not going to stop as long as republicans
01:41:45.380
were on the defensive no we're not racist as long as ken melman of the rnc was running around
01:41:50.980
apologizing for the republican party's racist history at black churches the democrats they just had us
01:41:57.180
where they wanted us the moment we hit back hard and said in effect actually you're blaming us for the
01:42:03.760
stuff that you did and you haven't apologized for it and that's when you now have a pause in the race
01:42:10.700
debate and it's precisely the counter-strike that's produced that so i agree with you because i think
01:42:15.720
there's nothing when i say reconciliation you'll don't misconstrue martin luther king for
01:42:23.840
um a weakling uh he was a strong defender of the truth um and where he was going so i'm not by any
01:42:33.320
stretch saying we don't make these points we we must use history as our guide yeah and be able to
01:42:40.020
expose this but how do we now get this to the ears of people who are so wrapped up in the game
01:42:49.620
that it's just not going to make a difference well if you ask me what i'm trying to do with this book
01:42:54.140
i'm sort of trying to take away the fascism card in kind of the same way i tried to take away the
01:42:59.620
race card from the left i'm trying to blunt the force of it um i'm not using these the words nazi
01:43:06.140
and and fascist as a verbal javelin because first of all i'm not saying and i don't even think the left
01:43:11.860
is saying when they say trump is a fascist they don't mean that trump is hitler circa 1945 trump hasn't
01:43:17.800
started a world war he hasn't gassed six million jews they're saying trump is hitler circa 1933
01:43:23.140
he's a demagogue who just came into power promising these dreams of ultra greatness so i'm saying all
01:43:29.880
right the way to take away the the kind of smear campaign is to is to take a pause and dive into the
01:43:38.000
meaning of these terms really show that that the left is the party of fascism and i'm hoping that in
01:43:43.380
the same way it will strip the fascist card of its kind of power to shut down debate uh and not just
01:43:51.460
shut down debate the left is using the charge of fascism to justify all kinds of behavior that would
01:43:56.740
never otherwise be condoned i mean if for example we said about obama a we're not going to show up at
01:44:02.640
his inauguration b we're going to disrupt it c we're going to get him on obstruction of justice even
01:44:08.620
if there was no underlying crime people would be apoplectic they would think we they would think we
01:44:13.740
had lost our minds but the left goes of course we do all this stuff but we're doing it because
01:44:18.280
we're fighting hitler in the 30s but we're using by any means necessary do you believe that because i
01:44:25.220
think this is actually a losing strategy um because i do believe that um i know democrats who say
01:44:33.420
you know they were out marching against the guy on the first weekend we have absolutely no
01:44:39.680
credibility would you just shut up and when something is real deal with it i think both
01:44:46.140
sides excusing anything and and being offended by everything those are both losing strategies in
01:44:53.500
the end do you agree with that or not i do agree with that i i mean i do agree with that and i you
01:44:58.200
know the other problem i think is that um the intellectual quality of our public debate has
01:45:04.020
really dropped uh i mean i think there is an intellectual i mean i think back when i was 22 i
01:45:09.720
looked up to people like milton friedman solzhenitsyn friedrich hayek even william f buckley not only
01:45:16.320
their their rhetorical excellence and philosophical range but their style there was a kind of elegance to
01:45:22.700
them yeah that seems to have diminished if not disappeared from public life um and there is no
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you know the other problem is you know for example ever since the election chris matthews
01:45:33.880
rachel maddow bill maher they've been bloviating about fascism almost non-stop so now i have a book
01:45:39.740
and i say to them okay guys let's have it out let's see if fascism really belongs on the right or the
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left dead silence you know not a word they won't put you on they won't put me on because i think
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they're scared i think they know that they don't know what they're talking about and they know that
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the moment it's all footnoted i mean you have all the sources in the back and i mean you know you can
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disagree with conclusions that you might make um but facts are facts facts are facts uh that's
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absolutely true i mean i when you when you look at the the actual attributions by hitler i'm getting
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this idea from the jacksonian democrats of the 19th century um and they're the ones who threw the
01:46:25.060
indians off their land they displaced them they took over their land they enslaved the ones that
01:46:29.900
remained i'm going to do that in poland in the slavic countries in central europe in russia i'm going
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to settle it with german families i mean this is out of the mouth of hit out of the mouth of hitler
01:46:41.740
you might say and very hard to deny either he said it or he didn't but it's right there in
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we were talking in the in the break about the similarities of the rise of the ku klux klan and
01:46:52.180
the brown shirts and how they rose to power at the same time the same strength really the same types
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of tactics obviously in america so far thankfully we've been able to avoid the worst parts of what
01:47:04.480
happened out of those movements even though they were terrible here they never rose to those levels
01:47:08.800
it was at the constitution is it the founders that that prevented that rise of those terrible elements
01:47:15.860
in our country what was the difference well first of all you know i don't think you can say that we
01:47:21.740
were spared those horrors because if you think about it the number one the the racist the racist regime
01:47:28.700
of the nazis lasted for 12 years 1933 to 1945 the racist regime that the democrats established lasted for
01:47:36.860
over 100 years from i would say the 1820s until at least the 1950s and in both cases you had racial
01:47:44.400
terrorism the clan the brown shirts that was then replaced by systematic laws that inferiorized a
01:47:52.260
whole group and so the uh even hitler talked about he said the hitler shut down the brown shirts he
01:47:58.960
goes this is emotional uh anti-semitism he goes the nuremberg laws and the subsequent laws those are
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what he called rational anti-semitism the state will treat you as the inferior creature you are
01:48:11.000
we don't need to have hooligans beat you up on the street and the democratic south did exactly the
01:48:16.620
same thing though the ruling power said we don't need the clan running around burning people's homes
01:48:21.240
we will just establish two separate societies white people on top black people at the bottom they
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won't associate a whole lot with each other two separate societies inside of one dinesh d'souza the
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name of the book is the big lie exposing the nazi roots of the american left the big lie by dinesh d'souza
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it's good to have you thanks dinesh a real pleasure um i'm going to tell you about a gold line but i want
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to give you two stories one uh i talked about earlier today uh that we are now at the highest
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level of personal credit debt credit card debt in the history of the world america has broken
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new records um there are more people grabbing more credit cards than ever before that's i remember
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my parents and i must have been six bringing all of us around because they went down the credit card
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route and they finally got themselves bailed out and they cut the credit cards up and threw them in
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the fireplace all of us as a family and i just remember i don't even remember it's like one of the
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three memories of that house that i have um so it had to be impactful uh to our family to have our
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the glenn beck program you know it's uh dinesh d'souza's book the big lie um you have to read
01:51:09.280
and there's there's stuff in there that i don't agree with um but he's made a really good strong
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case historically um um in many ways and he also takes george soros on and uh i remember that i
01:51:24.940
remember doing that too that went well for you right if i remember right really well that went
01:51:28.980
really well did you get a trophy for that i can't remember what the award was no i don't think it was
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a trophy or an award it was a participation trophy yes because you participated i think what i got was
01:51:40.120
a group of angry uh palestinians i think that were protesting an event just outside of the gate
01:51:48.900
huh uh of uh you got that as well as claims of anti-semitism which didn't make a heck of a lot
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of sense right right a multi-million dollar effort to get your career to end yeah yeah yeah but he
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outlined some of that same stuff in his book good luck dinesh the big lie this is the glenn beck