Glenn Beck and Joe Bastardi discuss the impact of Hurricane Harvey, Irma, and the ongoing protests in the streets of New York, and how to prepare for the coming hurricane season. They also discuss how to deal with the growing threat from North Korea.
00:01:20.420What I described might sound familiar, might sound like it's today, but it's actually what led to the French storming the Bastille in 1789.
00:01:34.820How many pressure points can a nation endure?
00:01:37.800In America, we've been bogged down in foreign wars since the turn of the 21st century.
00:03:59.060And Joe's a friend of the program and been around forever and is probably one of the most accurate voices when it comes to calling hurricanes for sure in the world.
00:04:11.300Joe, we weren't even seeing Harvey come on shore yet when you started telling us, wait, wait, wait, there's another one coming that might even be more dangerous.
00:04:21.800Can you tell us the latest is on Irma?
00:04:24.580Well, Irma is over the northeast of the Virgin Islands right now.
00:04:29.720And it's going to pass north of Puerto Rico.
00:04:31.660It would probably spare Puerto Rico a devastating hurricane.
00:04:36.300In fact, I'm sure it's going to spare him.
00:04:37.880It's not going to be like you go in 89.
00:04:40.440So they're going to have a hurricane on the north coast of Puerto Rico.
00:04:45.100Probably 80 to 100 mile an hour wind gusts.
00:04:47.180But they're not getting into that inner core that just had to be just absolutely horrific over those islands last night.
00:04:56.960Barbuda, St. Martin, where this thing hit directly.
00:05:01.640The devastation that's going to come out of there is probably something that few people have ever seen in the Western Hemisphere in these islands.
00:05:15.140If you're getting blasted by 150 to 175 mile an hour winds for two, three hours as this eyewall comes across because it didn't move real quickly,
00:05:25.880I'm sure that the pictures will bear out my dire warnings here as to what's going on.
00:05:32.160The storm itself is probably going to be, as far as meteorologists evaluate storms, the most powerful long-lived storm we've ever seen.
00:05:45.520I mean, when this thing came off Africa, we had it very quickly growing into a major hurricane because the atmosphere, we're in a pattern for that type of thing.
00:05:53.600And so what will happen is, by what we measure it, what we call accumulated cyclonic energy, this probably will be the strongest on record because it went for such a long distance.
00:06:04.440You've got to understand that this thing's been a major hurricane since two, three days ago.
00:06:09.580The future path, that's what everybody's interested in, of course.
00:06:13.020And this is going to go north of Puerto Rico, 60 to 100 miles.
00:06:16.640They have a hurricane on the north coast.
00:06:18.040It's going to go north of Hispaniola, and the Turks and Caicos Islands in the southeast Bahamas chain are in the direct path of what just happened, St. Martin and Barbuda.
00:06:32.440And that reaches there in about 36 to 48 hours.
00:06:36.980After that, I think the track bends back to the west a bit, and that's significant because it's moving west, northwest, west, northwest.
00:06:43.560If it turns northwest and north, it escapes east of the United States.
00:06:50.900One, obviously, it closes the distance on the United States.
00:06:54.140But two, these bends in the track to the left, and this is something I give credit to my professors at Penn State, Dr. John Lee, back in the 1970s, taught us this, that when you have a hurricane in the Atlantic that bends its path back to the left a bit, and I talked about this a couple times.
00:07:10.540And what it does is this intensification parameter comes on.
00:07:15.560So a second place where this thing could become even stronger than now, the next place is right to the southeast of Florida.
00:07:24.020That area just to the west of the Bahamas, the Florida Straits, that area is where this storm could reach its maximum intensity.
00:07:32.780And the question then becomes, when does it make the right turn northward?
00:07:36.780Right now, I think it's near or over the east coast of Florida.
00:07:42.680Now, yesterday, I thought it might be on the west coast of Florida.
00:07:45.760So what's going on, Glenn, and I want the audience to understand, because everybody goes and looks at these computer models, the U.S. generated models have a north bias in the three- to five-day period.
00:07:56.820In other words, they like to, if you watched what this was doing with Irma, it had it too far north initially.
00:08:04.680So what it's probably doing is, and people are getting out and looking, oh, look at this, it's going out here.
00:08:08.920It's probably adjusting too much to the north and east.
00:08:12.580So we have it coming right, almost right on the Florida coast, Sunday into Monday, and then continuing northward.
00:08:20.560Actually, it gets to Saturday night, Sunday, Monday, continuing northward into the Carolinas after that.
00:08:46.160Although I felt a little bit better talking to him, I mean, somewhat, although, you know, it is coming back to the United States.
00:08:54.600It hit this morning at 2 a.m. Eastern time as it passed over Antigua and the local radio, the last words that were heard over local radio, may God protect us all.
00:12:32.880And then underneath that was CNN, which was the pretty credible threat of nuclear war with with North Korea.
00:12:44.220And then the bottom one was about DACA and the seeds of political and civil unrest.
00:12:52.320And I thought to myself, huh, there's I know I've never seen I haven't seen anything like that before.
00:12:57.000All that. And they've taken Coke Zero off the market.
00:12:59.780Right. I mean, it's this is we're reading the book of Revelation.
00:13:02.940I've you know, I've you know, you kind of get to you got to get to the point to where you're like, huh, this is going to be interesting.
00:13:10.960It's going to be interesting to see how this all works out, isn't it?
00:13:13.800It's kind of like, you know, I saw Mark Maron, a special that he did.
00:13:18.920I think it was on Netflix. And the guy is super, super, super, super, I believe liberal.
00:13:24.080But there is something that is bringing us together.
00:13:26.820And it is that whole idea of, huh, this is going to be interesting.
00:13:33.540He was talking about how you're not surprised by anything anymore.
00:13:38.420I don't know what he's going to do next.
00:13:42.640And the people that voted for him, they don't know what he's going to do next.
00:13:47.840And it's just crazy. It's just, you know, the people he's appointing is crazy.
00:13:51.380If it's gotten to the point where I can say things to you that would never make sense previous.
00:13:57.420But now you'd be like, all right, like I can walk up to you like, hey, man, do you hear they're they're they're making the Grand Canyon a landfill?
00:19:47.580She has written an incredibly powerful book about how the media and how the left has manipulated the media to destroy person after person after person.
00:19:58.340It is a must-read book if you are trying to discover the networks or figure out exactly how all of this has come to be and where we're supposed to go next.
00:20:07.800She'll be joining us also, I saw the new Mitch Rapp movie last night, American Assassin, the Vince Flynn movie.
00:20:15.500Vince was a good friend of mine and just loved him.
00:23:19.840Stu is now by my side full-time and the executive producer of everything that we do because he's, quite honestly, the best producer in the country.
00:23:33.940I know you don't usually get that when you're listening, but he is quite a brilliant guy.
00:23:38.580I try to hold that back for, you know, my side ventures.
00:23:41.240So I wrote on Facebook, I think this was Monday night, Monday night or Sunday night.
00:23:49.660We begin tomorrow a new experiment to prove to the media and ourselves that you can be profitable and tell the truth.
00:23:57.500If those of us on the right don't stop our infighting and figure this out, we're all going to fall one by one to Google, Facebook, Amazon, and Apple, and they will be the portals of all information.
00:25:27.900And so what he did was he would give you the argument so you knew it and you could give it to your friends.
00:25:33.780But then Rush Limbaugh and the people like me, we all started doing that and all of our friends went, oh, but you're listening to Glenn Beck?
00:25:45.660And so it became ineffective because no one on the left was listening to our argument.
00:25:53.000There was nobody to tell that argument to except each other.
00:25:56.380We have to change now and say, okay, if we want to make progress, we have to have an argument that's not made for us but is made to reach out beyond us and say, guys, this is the way it works.
00:27:53.060Next week, every writer in this company is going to be joining me for a week.
00:27:59.260And it's appropriate that we start on September 11th and September 12th.
00:28:03.660And then on the 18th, there will be an MVP version, if you will, of the blaze that is going to start to try to deliver news in a different way.
00:28:26.540Now, if you have to run clickbait, if you have to run misleading headlines, if you have to say outrageous things to be successful, if those things are true, then I'm going to shut it all down.
00:28:43.280And I don't because I don't think it's a positive thing.
00:28:45.300I think it actually hurts us deeply in the end.
00:28:48.500So I'll go find another way, even if it's just teaching it to my children, that's what I'll do.
00:28:58.360There's a great story in The Resurgent today about this changeover.
00:29:02.580Kind of going through a lot of the stuff that you wrote and comparing it to the mission statement that Jerry Maguire wrote after he had the revelation that almost everything he had been doing in his business life was wrong.
00:29:12.220Of course, in the movie, Jerry ended up taking a big hit, much like The Blaze itself, with the layoffs of 20% of its workforce and a lot of people I loved.
00:29:20.680But in the end, yeah, they're awesome.
00:29:22.940But in the end, he had to lose in order to win later.
00:29:25.540I hope this is the case with Glenn's venture.
00:52:55.780There's very little wiggle room for you there, I think.
00:52:58.280I mean, it's a weird story, and I guess it's a warning to be careful with this particular medication.
00:53:03.320But other than that, it's really frightening because we are all, I don't know, there's so many people in the world right now just trying to escape, trying to escape the pain of whatever it is that they're feeling.
00:53:17.520They're just trying to escape, and we're seeing this with the opioid crisis that is happening in America.
00:53:25.840And the bad news is there isn't really any escape.
00:55:23.680It feels, you know, I was watching it and I thought, you know, the Jason Bourne movies kind of feel dated, kind of feel like they were written in the Cold War era.
01:11:03.060Our founders knew that the balance of power would work because each branch would want to
01:11:08.240protect their own power because they'd all be power hungry freaks.
01:11:11.560But now, when decisions are tough, they fall all over themselves to give their own power away.
01:11:20.780Donald Trump said yesterday, I knew some here wish that I could just bypass Congress and change the law myself, but that's not how our democracy works.
01:12:04.360So, somebody who I have a ton of respect for because she has been behind enemy lines for a very, very long time and been taking shots from all sides for a very long time.
01:12:18.360Cheryl Atkinson, she is the author of a new book called The Smear, How Shady Political Operatives and Fake News Control What You See, What You Think, and How You Vote.
01:12:28.540She received an investigative Emmy Award in 2009 for her investigations into the TARP bailout, investigative award in 2002 for her reports on the Red Cross and how they were mismanaging funds, all kinds of awards, all kinds of nominations for follow the money, congressional oversight, aid to Haiti, firestone tires, and the dangers of prescription drugs and vaccines, which include the links to autism.
01:12:56.540Autism, a brave woman who used to work for CBS and PBS and all of the S's until she left and went out on her own where she felt she could actually tell the truth.
01:13:08.960Cheryl Atkinson, welcome to the program.
01:13:13.420So, I couldn't have been more surprised as I opened up your book a few weeks ago, and there's an opening chapter about how the left really kind of found their voice by destroying me.
01:13:26.760Yes, it was a fascinating case study that is much discussed in the smear industry, and I spoke to operatives both on left and right for my book who were quite open with me, surprisingly enough.
01:13:38.120And really, you know, what they did to you laid the groundwork for future successful smears.
01:13:46.680And as you saw, there was a memo that had been laid out by Media Matters, which is a liberal operative group, a memo proposing a lot of these tactics that were used ultimately against you,
01:13:58.920including hiring private eyes to probe personal lives of reporters that they wanted to squelch, hiring law firms to come up with legal actions to generate things to try to, you know, bully and intimidate people, all kinds of tactics.
01:14:13.700And for you in particular, as you know, they launched the move to get you off Fox News, I believe, and the ones who operate in that universe, because your program was highly effective in getting out narratives and information that they didn't want out there.
01:14:29.480So, it wasn't so much that they wanted to come after you on moral grounds or for moral reasons.
01:14:35.280And they used that, smear operators, as the facade to take out their enemies.
01:14:40.980And one way to recognize the hallmarks of a smear is they overlooked the same behavior in people who are their friends.
01:14:47.600But when it's a target that they want to get out, they amplify the behavior that they found, even when there's a grain of truth, beyond all proportions.
01:14:55.260And there was a million-dollar donation, as you know, from George Soros that was publicly announced to Media Matters explicitly to get rid of you as a danger to, you know, all free things in our society.
01:15:07.040And, you know, Cheryl, what was so crazy is, I mean, I remember coming home in Connecticut before we moved to New York, and we knew people were going through our garbage and everything else.
01:15:30.120And then when George Soros actually announced a million dollars to go to take me off the air and destroy me, no one in the press thought that was a problem.
01:15:43.700And furthermore, even after that, as those campaigns continued against different people, Media Matters was still largely held out by a lot in the news media as some sort of neutral watchdog group by those who either didn't do their homework enough to scratch beyond the surface or didn't care to report, as they would pass along narratives from Media Matters, that this is a, you know, self-defined liberal operation group that often, again,
01:16:11.980holds itself out to be sort of a neutral media watchdog organization and has permeated the news media in such a way that it's often quoted as if it's a neutral source.
01:16:22.940And it and its spring offs and connected LLCs and charities and super PACs like Correct the Record were used during campaign 2016, often again, as if sort of a neutral group.
01:16:34.840Or even if you knew it was a democratic group, you didn't realize it was for the sole purpose of electing Hillary Clinton.
01:16:40.220And so it was smearing Bernie Sanders, but without disclosures, as it was presented in the news that its financial paid interests were really Hillary Clinton.
01:16:48.780So, as you know, as you know, there is a new Media Matters program, if you will, an announcement of what they're going to be doing and what they're working on now.
01:17:02.420And it talks about how they are already in Facebook and Google and YouTube advising them on what needs to be edited out, what is hate speech, what isn't.
01:17:17.360And everybody still is embracing Media Matters, even though it's clear.
01:17:22.040I mean, they're they're not hiding anything.
01:17:23.540It's pretty amazing, and that's why it's seen largely as a, you know, a huge success.
01:17:30.600David Brock, as I say in the book, was described with equal parts, you know, admiration and disgust by others in the smear industry,
01:17:37.880because he's really been able to do something that maybe conservatives have also tried to do and other liberals.
01:17:44.100But none has done it so well, which is to utterly permeate the narrative and the news environment in such a way that they're able to get their messages across,
01:17:54.020often without people disclosing the paid financial interest behind them.
01:17:57.260And he, by the way, has gotten very rich off this industry of the smear groups,
01:18:02.220whether it's the super PACs or the charities under different names or the websites or the other nonprofits that he operates.
01:18:09.680And again, I think in the news media, when they present us with from this group with a set of facts or talking points or ideas for stories with a lot of research,
01:18:21.120we're not just with them, with many other PR groups that are in this industry.
01:18:25.360We're not scratching the surface enough and asking our own questions.
01:18:28.060We're taking what they say and pushing it along.
01:18:31.140And it's almost like it's unpopular now.
01:18:36.100They create this appearance that there's overwhelming grassroots support for what they want.
01:18:42.600And they use fake Twitter accounts and all their organizations to make it look like everybody wants you guys to sort through and curate the news and what we see online.
01:18:50.700Really, the public's not clamoring for that.
01:18:54.780The whole the whole idea that someone needs to sort through for us did not come from grassroots.
01:18:59.500It came from these organizations, but it was made to look in the eyes of Facebook and Google and so on as if the people want it.
01:19:06.100So, Cheryl, you're not a newcomer to this.
01:19:08.380I mean, you have been, you know, winning Emmys and winning awards for investigative journalism.
01:19:14.180And you've exposed both sides and you've exposed some really nasty stuff.
01:19:18.840When you got into this, what was the thing as you as you close the book, the smear, that you said,
01:19:28.160I would have, I could have believed a lot of things, but I would have never believed this had I not just found it myself.
01:19:38.380Well, a lot of this I learned over time.
01:19:40.460So it wasn't just in writing the book that I'm not sure there's anything I discovered for the first time as I was researching and writing the book.
01:19:48.120I wrote it because I had learned some of these things.
01:19:50.100I think the one thing that gave me chills to hear it said out loud was when one smear operator said to me, well, there were really two comments.
01:19:58.080But one of them was that everything you see in your daily life, whether it's something put out by a charity, something you see or read on the news,
01:20:05.220or any other image that crosses your path, he says it's put there for a reason by somebody who often paid a lot of money to put the image before you.
01:20:12.480So think about that, how much they think they control op-eds in the newspaper, public comments on the Federal Register, the narratives that you see on the news that are repeated over and over.
01:20:22.460And the second thing that kind of gave me chills was to hear an operative admit what I kind of knew, but he said, you know,
01:20:29.660an entire movement can be started with a handful of fake Twitter accounts and 140 characters, meaning they know the power of free social media
01:20:39.000and that the fake accounts that they operate under the names of actors with software that can rotate IP addresses and make it look like original, real, connected people,
01:20:48.320that can influence a whole movement or spark a whole movement that ultimately does become grassroots because people don't know the origins.
01:20:55.340So, Cheryl, we're facing a time now where we have political and civil unrest.
01:21:02.100We have economic troubles headed our way.
01:21:28.080And many are not even looking for the truth.
01:21:30.680How does this how does this shake out?
01:21:33.280How does this how does our story what's the next chapter in the American story?
01:21:39.720Well, I'd like to be more optimistic and I hope I hope I can be down the road.
01:21:44.000But from a news standpoint, I don't see an easy way out of this fix that we're in, because as I described, you know, it's taken years for us to get here.
01:21:53.180And I remember talking to some attorneys at CBS that I have review and approve my stories and maybe 10 years ago, I first said to them when we saw these efforts to shape the news by these large companies that work behind the scenes to do sometimes perfectly legal things, even if objectable, objectionable, but sometimes unethical things to try to stop stories.
01:22:13.580And I said, you know, this industry is coming up and we're so busy just putting out the news or playing defense when they smear us and try to discredit our stories because we're reporting things they want to try to squelch.
01:22:25.800We need to have our own plan, our own recognition of this and a way to fight back because they're destroying reputations of news organizations and people doing important coverage.
01:22:35.000And, you know, there was just no real attention paid to it.
01:22:37.980And I tried to raise that also and investigate a reporter conferences because this was happening to many reporters who are reporting on, you know, corporations and political interests that wanted to try to discredit and stop them.
01:22:49.640But as an industry, we haven't done a good job in recognizing it.
01:22:53.040And furthermore, we've allowed operatives to become part of our newsrooms.
01:22:57.620You know, we've hired them not only as pundits and commentators, but we've made them reporters and anchors and managers.
01:23:02.880So it's not an accident that when you turn on the news or read it, so often it comes across as narratives and talking points.
01:25:05.100She is the author of The Smear, how shady political operatives and fake news control what you see, what you think, and how you vote.
01:25:12.360Cheryl, you just said that an operative told you something that is, should, everybody's blood should run cold, that everything that you see and, and, and read has been planted for a reason.
01:25:27.020How do you, how does the American public deal with that kind of knowledge and, and find the happy middle ground between, you know, the conspiratorial Alex Jones, everything is a false flag to the media matters that everything is real.
01:26:00.080But I know that there may be more to the story.
01:26:02.240I just learned that in journalism anyway.
01:26:03.720The most obvious story and conclusions you can draw or the most obvious thing that's being put out by somebody often proves to be totally different than you thought.
01:26:11.780So it's just, you know, good counsel to question what you see, but also particularly if what you see is the same thing over and over.
01:26:20.960I mean, think about the thousands of news stories happening around the world every day, and yet you look at the news or watch something on television and it's the same two or three stories over and over, often using the same words, interviewing the same people from the same viewpoint.
01:26:35.320They're not going to give necessarily two or three sides to the story.
01:26:38.600That's absolutely when you should suspect there's a paid effort.
01:26:41.760So I, I ask myself, who wants me to think that and why?
01:26:46.380And that can just help open your mind up a little more to what you're saying.
01:26:49.680I call it the Truman Show-esque alternate reality.
01:26:52.840If you remember that old movie with James Carey where he didn't know he was living basically on a movie set, that's kind of what they're describing.
01:27:00.660And I think it may sound somewhat conspiratorial, but the people in this universe see it that way.
01:27:06.460It doesn't hurt to think, you know, to think to some degree.
01:27:09.340Now, again, maybe going overboard is to think that everything you see isn't true.
01:27:31.400You go into depth in the book quite a bit about the specific things they did to Glenn to try to ruin his career and, and, and have him lose a lack of, kind of lose credibility with the audience.
01:27:44.120Yeah, I mean, you know, this is effective, primarily because it's effective with management, even more than viewers.
01:27:52.480They launched a large advertising campaign effort, which, again, is perfectly legal.
01:27:57.080But they want advertisers to believe or to create the impression that this is a grassroots thing that's happening from the public when it's not.
01:28:05.040They partnered in the case of Glenn, I believe, with a separate group.
01:28:11.580Yeah, color of change, which would not be then, you know, it looks like, oh, this is a widespread effort by a diverse group of people.
01:28:20.180Look at how everybody in the world is, you know, so down on Glenn Beck right now.
01:28:23.960And in fact, it's, again, a relatively small handful of the same donors trying to give the impression because Glenn is dangerous to their interests, trying to give the impression that there's some sort of giant grassroots effort.
01:28:35.020So, yeah, they and you're seeing that use you're seeing that use now on on Donald Trump, where it's the same group of people.
01:28:44.580They're just it's the Tides Foundation.
01:28:47.100They just they stand up as a different group over here.
01:28:49.820And then, oh, look, it's mothers against whatever over here and fathers for this over here.
01:28:54.880And it's it's really the same people, same money.
01:28:57.880So I wrote I'm just reading one short passage.
01:28:59.960Media Matters also quietly funnels two hundred thousand dollars, which is a lot of money in this world, to a group called Citizen Engagement Laboratory, a political advocacy nonprofit that calls itself a home for social entrepreneurs.
01:29:13.780The laboratory is funded in part by grants from sources, Open Society Foundation.
01:29:20.260Glenn, the two hundred thousand dollars from Media Matters is for a campaign to expose Glenn Beck's racist rhetoric in an effort to educate advertisers about the practices on his show.
01:29:29.960You have to read Sheryl Atkinson's new book.
01:29:32.600It's called The Smear, how shady political operatives are controlling what you see and what you think.
01:36:53.200Dreamers can't have any anxiety whatsoever.
01:36:56.140And I just, I want to know why I've got a buttload of anxiety.
01:37:01.580Why are dreamers anxiety free and citizens can have all the anxiety thrust upon them that's available in the universe, but not the dreamers, not the unicorns.
01:37:16.580But the thing that's really driving me out of my mind right now is that Trump, his actual goal here, let's be clear about this.
01:37:27.920He just tweeted this morning, Congress now has six months to legalize DACA, something the Obama administration wasn't able to do.
01:37:36.340If they can't, I'll revisit this issues.
01:37:39.120So what the non-skulled Democrats aren't talking about is he's actually on their side.
01:37:45.480He wants amnesty for the dreamers, for the unicorns.
01:37:52.260He wants them to live here in America with us.
01:37:54.700And he's telling Congress that if they don't pass a law granting them citizenship within six months, he's going to take it into his own hands and, I don't know, direct some kind of executive order that legalizes them.
01:38:08.660He just, he wants to make the amnesty permanent for them.
01:38:11.220And I don't remember that campaign promise.
01:38:32.560Yeah, we're going to get an amnesty crammed down.
01:38:35.420You, all of us, I think, might be old enough to remember when the Dream Act, which is what the dreamers are named after, was like the litmus test of whether you were an amnesty person or not.
01:38:46.800If you supported the Dream Act, you were an evil amnesty person.
01:40:07.700The other thing I've noticed from the media is that they keep talking about how Trump is making a mockery out of the promise that's written on the Statue of Liberty.
01:40:17.740Now, I love the Statue of Liberty, too.
01:40:19.900But let's keep in mind one thing here.
01:40:22.560The Statue of Liberty is not the Constitution.
01:41:31.140So, how many disasters have there been
01:41:55.620to where you hear about the unsavory characters, the guys who come in and they're looting, they're stealing, they're doing something horrible.
01:42:04.620Have you noticed, not just the lack, but almost the dearth of any of those stories coming from what's happening in Texas?
01:42:12.080It could be that Texans are really good people and they're, you know, banding together and helping their neighbor and all of that is true.
01:42:23.820But it also could be that there is not a jury in Texas that is going to put a gun owner rightfully protecting himself, his house, his family, or his property in jail.
01:44:55.640It does seem, and it's almost like you could explain that if, for example, you had a piece of evidence like 12 consecutive years with no major storms whatsoever hitting the coast.
01:45:07.960Somebody wrote and said, you guys are so disingenuous because you say there's been no major storms because of global warming.
01:45:14.940Well, there have been storms all over the world.