The Glenn Beck Program - 'A New Person To Hate？' (Dr. Jordan Peterson & Charlie Warzel)

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00:00:10.740 Love. Courage. Truth. Glenn Beck.

00:00:17.040 Hey everybody, we have somebody else to hate today. We have somebody new.

00:00:22.500 Oh, thank goodness, because I'm getting so tired of hating the same people.

00:00:26.960 There's somebody new to hate. The former deputy, Scott Peterson.

00:00:31.940 Have you heard about him? He's the sheriff's deputy.

00:00:34.860 We can all rally around our hate for him.

00:00:38.440 He resigned yesterday after video surveillance showed that he was armed and stationed

00:00:43.320 at the Stoneman Douglas High School while the shooting took place last week.

00:00:48.000 Instead of immediately addressing the target and putting an end to the rampage,

00:00:51.900 Peterson cowered behind a concrete column in a stairwell.

00:00:55.860 The sheriff of Broward County. There is something wrong with the sheriff.

00:01:02.040 Mark my words. Something is wrong here.

00:01:05.340 The sheriff of Broward County suspended Peterson without pay pending an investigation,

00:01:10.600 but the officer beat him to it. Peterson, knowing his fate, resigned and retired yesterday.

00:01:15.680 This morning, police officers line Peterson's home.

00:01:19.180 They're guarding against anyone who wants to harm Peterson.

00:01:22.620 And that's a lot of people. The officers themselves probably don't want to protect this coward.

00:01:28.720 And I will tell you this. This is an example of the police doing their job, doing things.

00:01:35.440 They protect people all the time that they don't feel a conviction inside to necessarily defend.

00:01:44.040 I can't speak for the police, but I will tell you this.

00:01:49.160 Before we take up our pitchforks and torches and charge his door, we've got to do something he's to blame.

00:01:57.720 Let's remember something. We weren't there.

00:02:00.780 As much as we'd like to think that we'd be brave and execute a single kill shot to the Stoneman shooter before he could take the 17 lives,

00:02:12.200 how would that really play out in real life?

00:02:16.360 Would we be brave?

00:02:18.160 Would we have the courage?

00:02:20.380 I know we all hope we would,

00:02:23.260 but none of us know until we're actually in the situation.

00:02:27.460 I am not defending Peterson's gutless inaction.

00:02:33.300 I think he should have used his training to save lives that day.

00:02:37.640 But there are very brave people that go to war that think they can do it,

00:02:42.820 and they freeze at that moment.

00:02:46.980 What I'd like us to remember is,

00:02:49.940 thank God we aren't him.

00:02:53.960 Thank God we weren't him.

00:02:56.500 We don't know what was going through his mind,

00:02:59.720 and we don't know what we would have done.

00:03:03.080 Peterson could have been a hero,

00:03:04.820 but he made another choice.

00:03:07.180 And I said,

00:03:08.460 thank God we're not him,

00:03:10.480 because he has to live with this guilt of inaction for the rest of his life.

00:03:16.860 So before we call for blood,

00:03:18.900 let's remember,

00:03:19.920 Scott Peterson

00:03:21.960 is going to live with his punishment

00:03:25.320 for as long as he lives.

00:03:32.740 Or we can hate him.

00:03:34.300 Let's hate him.

00:03:36.600 It's Friday,

00:03:37.940 February 23rd.

00:03:39.900 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:03:42.420 Tell me, Stu,

00:03:43.000 before we get into all of this,

00:03:44.220 do you trust this sheriff in Broward County?

00:03:48.200 There's something weird going on.

00:03:49.520 I don't know.

00:03:50.340 I mean,

00:03:50.520 I don't,

00:03:50.840 I don't,

00:03:51.440 you know,

00:03:52.340 watching him at the CNN thing the other day,

00:03:54.660 and the way he was making really disingenuous pandering arguments to the crowd.

00:04:00.280 Yes.

00:04:00.400 I really did not like that.

00:04:01.980 Yes.

00:04:02.240 And did he not know when he went on stage that this security guard or,

00:04:09.940 you know,

00:04:10.440 whatever,

00:04:11.000 I can't remember the type of officer he was supposed to be.

00:04:13.260 He's a deputy.

00:04:14.060 Yeah.

00:04:14.940 So he,

00:04:15.900 he didn't know at that time when he went on stage in front of,

00:04:19.460 you know,

00:04:19.660 the entire nation.

00:04:20.760 He had to have.

00:04:21.680 That there was film of,

00:04:23.340 you know,

00:04:23.540 video of this guy not going in there.

00:04:26.100 Did he not know that the,

00:04:27.820 that police had been called to the house 31 times?

00:04:32.240 I mean,

00:04:32.800 39,

00:04:33.340 39 times.

00:04:34.620 He,

00:04:35.100 he lied on national television about that.

00:04:38.980 Yeah.

00:04:39.420 And you could tell he was,

00:04:41.440 he was just,

00:04:42.700 he was squirmy and slimy.

00:04:45.920 There is something more to come out with Broward County.

00:04:49.200 I just think there is,

00:04:50.900 and it's going to revolve around this guy.

00:04:52.680 You know,

00:04:53.000 it sort of feels like,

00:04:54.160 and again,

00:04:54.500 you know,

00:04:55.520 this is a very early thought,

00:04:59.060 but it feels like the guy,

00:05:00.700 the Duke lacrosse prosecutor,

00:05:02.520 yes,

00:05:03.100 that's what it feels.

00:05:04.260 Yes.

00:05:04.460 Where you remember that?

00:05:05.160 Where like,

00:05:05.520 it just seemed off the whole time.

00:05:07.680 And yes,

00:05:08.200 he seemed to be jumping to a lot of conclusions.

00:05:09.920 Like the way he,

00:05:10.980 again,

00:05:11.760 the by all appearances of what we know right now,

00:05:14.020 this guy,

00:05:14.420 Scott Peterson,

00:05:15.060 the deputy really blew it and maybe cost a bunch of people their lives.

00:05:19.520 I mean,

00:05:19.740 look,

00:05:20.240 it's,

00:05:20.560 it's a difficult situation.

00:05:21.500 You outlined it well there of what that moment would be like to make those

00:05:24.320 decisions,

00:05:24.640 but that's your job.

00:05:25.700 He's a veteran.

00:05:26.480 He was on the police force.

00:05:27.680 Like it's his job to go in there in that moment.

00:05:30.000 Okay.

00:05:30.260 So he's got to do that.

00:05:31.460 Do you remember,

00:05:32.060 do you remember the movie saving private Ryan?

00:05:34.400 Yeah.

00:05:34.560 I have sympathy for Scott Peterson only because I'm not convinced.

00:05:40.040 I'm not the guy on the stairs going into war.

00:05:42.920 Yeah.

00:05:43.600 I'm not convinced.

00:05:44.700 I wouldn't be that guy.

00:05:45.940 I don't know.

00:05:46.620 Right.

00:05:46.800 And,

00:05:47.120 and,

00:05:47.200 and luckily for all of us,

00:05:48.540 you're doing talk radio instead of defending us.

00:05:51.380 Yeah.

00:05:51.680 But I mean,

00:05:51.960 again,

00:05:52.200 when it's your job,

00:05:52.980 you've defended the nation at some level.

00:05:54.720 I don't know what his military service was exactly,

00:05:56.700 but he was,

00:05:57.680 he was a veteran.

00:05:59.260 He was a deputy.

00:05:59.960 It's your job to go in there.

00:06:01.080 So if all is explained the way we know it right now,

00:06:05.600 it's impossible to excuse those actions,

00:06:08.040 though they could be humanly understandable.

00:06:10.220 Let's try,

00:06:10.900 hang on.

00:06:11.340 Let's try this.

00:06:12.260 Does it change anything?

00:06:13.400 If he was a veteran and he has PS PTSD,

00:06:17.140 right?

00:06:17.300 Maybe.

00:06:17.600 And,

00:06:17.740 and he was going through an episode.

00:06:19.980 It's possible.

00:06:20.720 Again,

00:06:21.200 you shouldn't probably have that job.

00:06:23.260 Yes.

00:06:23.640 You know,

00:06:24.300 there's a lot of,

00:06:24.860 but again,

00:06:25.860 all of this is what I find interesting about this is that I think everyone

00:06:30.080 reacted the same way when they heard that at least instinctively,

00:06:33.720 which is like this bastard,

00:06:35.400 this guy was on campus with a firearm.

00:06:39.420 There's somebody inside shooting children and you sit outside for four

00:06:43.080 minutes.

00:06:43.480 That's how I think everyone reacted.

00:06:45.400 That all comes from the evidence we got from the sheriff who have you ever

00:06:51.700 heard a police officer instantly blame another police officer like that?

00:06:57.460 I mean,

00:06:57.720 he was so instantly accusatory and I mean,

00:07:01.900 they immediately,

00:07:03.100 and it could be completely legitimate.

00:07:04.700 It's just,

00:07:05.720 I don't think I've ever heard.

00:07:07.140 It wasn't a balanced,

00:07:08.780 uh,

00:07:09.320 measured way of telling that story.

00:07:12.660 Listen to what he was doing the night before with,

00:07:15.260 with Dana.

00:07:16.200 Yeah.

00:07:16.520 He was,

00:07:17.440 he pandering when she,

00:07:19.100 beyond that covering.

00:07:20.900 Yeah.

00:07:21.460 She,

00:07:21.820 when she said,

00:07:22.960 you know,

00:07:23.960 39 times,

00:07:25.180 that's not enough for you to take the guns away.

00:07:28.280 39 times.

00:07:29.480 You're well,

00:07:30.060 you're not the judge.

00:07:30.740 You're not the judge.

00:07:31.440 You don't know.

00:07:32.000 You,

00:07:32.220 you've got it all the way.

00:07:32.920 Where'd you get that?

00:07:33.540 There are 39 times.

00:07:34.440 Who was the victim?

00:07:35.160 Well,

00:07:35.340 I heard it from Reuters.

00:07:36.600 Reuters wasn't the victim.

00:07:38.040 Remember he's like,

00:07:38.720 tried to deflect.

00:07:39.700 CNN reported this.

00:07:41.220 Are you saying CNN got this wrong?

00:07:43.760 And then,

00:07:43.940 and then Dana was forced to say,

00:07:45.300 I'm not saying CNN was the,

00:07:46.940 the,

00:07:47.280 the threat.

00:07:48.100 I,

00:07:48.360 what I'm saying is they reported it.

00:07:49.700 Like,

00:07:49.940 and of course he knew that,

00:07:50.980 but he's trying to deflect.

00:07:52.100 He was trying to cover.

00:07:53.100 He was.

00:07:53.440 So,

00:07:53.860 so you couple that with immediately.

00:07:57.660 Look at the bad guy.

00:07:58.540 Look at the bad guy.

00:07:59.160 He didn't do anything.

00:08:00.980 There's this,

00:08:01.880 there's something wrong with this.

00:08:03.400 Something weird.

00:08:04.040 Something wrong with this sheriff.

00:08:06.840 I,

00:08:07.240 I,

00:08:07.600 I don't,

00:08:08.320 I mean,

00:08:08.620 I don't know.

00:08:09.220 I'd love to hear from people from Broward County that know the sheriff,

00:08:12.320 but there's something wrong here.

00:08:14.320 I mean,

00:08:14.740 how do you,

00:08:15.500 if that,

00:08:16.040 unless that information came up the next morning,

00:08:18.640 how do you not say that at the town hall?

00:08:21.380 I mean,

00:08:21.660 how,

00:08:22.300 how is that not out before the town hall?

00:08:24.160 You can't hide that on stage unless he found out right afterwards,

00:08:28.680 which I guess is possible,

00:08:30.100 but man,

00:08:31.060 is it suspicious?

00:08:32.200 Well,

00:08:32.340 CNN can't be upset about it because I think it was a CNN story that I read

00:08:35.420 this morning that said that Wayne LaPierre came onto the stage

00:08:39.500 yesterday at CPAC and at CPAC,

00:08:43.200 he said he,

00:08:44.860 he repeated his notorious phrase that he used at Sandy hook.

00:08:51.700 His notorious phrase to,

00:08:54.500 Oh yeah.

00:08:54.820 Well,

00:08:54.920 I hate him,

00:08:55.460 hate him,

00:08:55.960 hate him.

00:08:56.320 What's the notorious phrase though?

00:08:57.500 I don't know.

00:08:58.060 Well,

00:08:58.200 the notorious one,

00:08:59.160 you know,

00:08:59.420 the notorious one.

00:09:00.120 So I would think if it's notorious,

00:09:01.640 everyone would know it.

00:09:02.940 It would be a really bad.

00:09:03.800 You don't because you're trying just to hide it.

00:09:06.060 His notorious phrase that a bad guy with a gun is only stopped by a good guy

00:09:12.980 with a gun.

00:09:16.100 This is a notorious,

00:09:18.140 notorious.

00:09:20.140 I mean,

00:09:21.080 villainous,

00:09:22.240 evil,

00:09:22.500 also almost exclusively true.

00:09:27.740 Notorious,

00:09:28.680 Stu,

00:09:29.200 because even if it's not universally true,

00:09:31.800 now,

00:09:31.980 is it?

00:09:32.260 It's not the bad guy could have shot himself.

00:09:35.240 Well,

00:09:35.500 yeah,

00:09:35.720 that's the only exception,

00:09:37.260 right?

00:09:37.520 The bad guy could have run out of bullets again.

00:09:40.500 No,

00:09:40.640 well,

00:09:41.180 again,

00:09:41.900 uh,

00:09:42.500 it's still,

00:09:43.160 he would be stopped with a bad,

00:09:44.440 a good guy with a gun would show up and stop that.

00:09:47.000 No,

00:09:47.580 yes,

00:09:47.820 it could have been the Hulk.

00:09:48.740 Could have been the Hulk.

00:09:49.500 It's never the Hulk.

00:09:50.680 It could have been.

00:09:51.500 Unless the Hulk.

00:09:52.080 What if it was?

00:09:53.220 What if it was?

00:09:53.900 But it wasn't.

00:09:54.560 What if it was?

00:09:55.840 I mean,

00:09:56.480 it's because even in the cases where they,

00:09:59.360 where the shooter commits suicide,

00:10:00.800 it's almost always once the cops show up on the premises and they have to,

00:10:05.540 why don't you want the Hulk?

00:10:07.040 Why don't you want the Hulk?

00:10:08.660 I'm just trying to,

00:10:09.400 I'm just trying to learn how we debate now.

00:10:12.800 You know,

00:10:13.620 I,

00:10:13.960 I,

00:10:14.040 you're doing a good job.

00:10:15.120 I thought so.

00:10:15.860 Why do you hate the Hulk?

00:10:17.700 Why do you refuse to say the Hulk could be used?

00:10:21.580 The only thing you're missing is why do you hate people with green skin?

00:10:24.360 Yes.

00:10:24.600 Thank you.

00:10:25.720 Now you've got,

00:10:26.620 now you've worked racism.

00:10:27.540 I mean,

00:10:27.640 we have all the elements of a good debate.

00:10:30.200 I mean,

00:10:31.120 the notorious phrase that is universally true.

00:10:36.380 That's how it happens.

00:10:37.660 Yeah.

00:10:37.900 I mean,

00:10:38.180 it's,

00:10:38.420 it's not always a regular citizen that has a gun.

00:10:41.540 Many times,

00:10:42.180 sometimes it is by the way.

00:10:43.360 And then other times it's a more commonly,

00:10:46.040 I would say police officers come with guns,

00:10:48.320 right?

00:10:48.540 Which stops these things.

00:10:49.400 Right.

00:10:49.520 So do you want the police officers not to,

00:10:51.580 have guns?

00:10:52.780 Do you want the police officers not to have guns?

00:10:56.500 Or are you saying that all people are bad and only police officers are good?

00:11:04.240 Is that what makes that notorious?

00:11:06.280 Is that it might be a private citizen with a gun?

00:11:10.500 Because you can't accept that they're a good guy with a gun?

00:11:14.300 Or is it that you believe that only police officers are good and they,

00:11:20.640 well,

00:11:21.360 maybe they don't stop it because they're cowering behind a concrete wall?

00:11:26.380 I mean,

00:11:27.040 look at,

00:11:28.000 look at the Texas church shooting.

00:11:29.680 We just saw an example of a guy with a gun stopping a mass shooting.

00:11:33.640 It literally is like one of the most recent things in our memory.

00:11:37.480 Yeah.

00:11:37.880 No,

00:11:38.340 no,

00:11:38.460 no,

00:11:38.740 no,

00:11:39.040 no,

00:11:39.180 no,

00:11:39.600 no,

00:11:39.700 no,

00:11:39.840 no.

00:11:40.100 Or how about the congressional?

00:11:42.300 No,

00:11:42.860 no.

00:11:43.400 The same thing.

00:11:44.180 No.

00:11:44.500 Another good guy with a gun.

00:11:45.460 No.

00:11:45.920 You know,

00:11:46.460 this one,

00:11:47.240 this one,

00:11:48.020 obviously he attempted the quick change escape,

00:11:50.800 escape,

00:11:51.280 which was to escape with the hostages,

00:11:53.340 which Bill Murray movie reference for all of the 99.9% of people who didn't see that.

00:11:57.980 Is that the clown movie?

00:11:58.380 Yeah.

00:11:58.600 He dressed up as a,

00:11:59.280 this great idea.

00:12:00.260 He dresses up as a clown.

00:12:01.340 He robs the bank.

00:12:02.140 Then he goes inside and inside the bank changes into a normal costume with a disguise and leaves

00:12:07.700 as one of the hostages.

00:12:08.820 So they don't know he's gone.

00:12:10.240 This guy actually tried to do that.

00:12:11.940 Basically,

00:12:12.340 he put his guns down and then walked out with the students and he got away.

00:12:15.540 Gosh,

00:12:15.760 you've given me somebody new to hate Bill Murray.

00:12:17.880 Hate Bill Murray.

00:12:19.320 Hate Bill Murray.

00:12:30.340 As Eric Erickson put this yesterday really well.

00:12:33.360 In sum,

00:12:34.340 because the FBI failed,

00:12:36.080 local law enforcement failed,

00:12:37.640 the resource officer failed,

00:12:39.260 and the security feed was on a 20 minute delay,

00:12:41.540 which we haven't even discussed yet.

00:12:43.280 We must curtail the second amendment,

00:12:45.260 lest law-abiding citizens get hurt by madmen.

00:12:48.200 I don't know.

00:12:48.920 We seem to have a lot of other ways to stop this guy.

00:12:51.640 We just didn't do it.

00:12:54.540 And I hate Bill Murray.

00:12:55.920 No,

00:12:56.440 no,

00:12:56.860 no,

00:12:57.360 no.

00:12:58.360 Let's talk about the real issue.

00:13:00.140 Your problem with the incredible Hulk and your love for the notorious quote.

00:13:08.540 Can you imagine taking your car on a hundred day test drive?

00:13:13.220 I could,

00:13:13.820 I'd be test driving really great cars all the time.

00:13:18.940 Get a new pair of shoes.

00:13:20.340 I'd like this for my wife,

00:13:21.380 get a new pair of shoes and,

00:13:22.400 you know,

00:13:22.960 walk around in them for a hundred days.

00:13:25.540 She puts shoes on.

00:13:26.860 I swear to you,

00:13:27.280 she buys these shoes.

00:13:28.460 Then she puts them on.

00:13:29.680 We're in the car going to whatever it is.

00:13:33.900 We're going to.

00:13:34.860 And she says,

00:13:35.400 I can't wait to get home and get out of these shoes.

00:13:42.140 Okay.

00:13:42.600 Well,

00:13:42.820 anyway,

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00:13:50.080 Take a hundred nights sleep challenge a hundred night.

00:13:53.220 Get,

00:13:53.500 get a great sleep.

00:13:54.680 If not on day 50,

00:13:56.480 just call them up and say,

00:13:57.520 take this thing back.

00:13:58.660 And they come and they pick it up and they return,

00:14:00.940 they refund every single penny.

00:14:02.760 Okay.

00:14:03.620 So you can go and test drive this for a hundred nights,

00:14:07.280 or you could go,

00:14:08.360 you know,

00:14:08.560 to a,

00:14:09.060 to a store and lay on a mattress and lay there in your clothes with your shoes and your coat.

00:14:16.140 And,

00:14:16.720 and then,

00:14:17.640 you know,

00:14:17.920 have somebody just stare at you the whole time and say,

00:14:20.280 is that one more comfortable than the last one?

00:14:22.360 I don't know.

00:14:22.960 I can't tell the difference between the two anymore.

00:14:26.840 Try 100 nights,

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00:14:48.420 Glenn Beck,

00:14:50.340 Mercury.

00:14:50.820 Gun control works in other countries.

00:14:58.340 40% of all guns are sold without background checks.

00:15:00.880 More guns means more murder.

00:15:02.360 Mass shootings are becoming more common.

00:15:04.980 You've heard all these lines a thousand times.

00:15:07.840 Know the facts.

00:15:09.200 Get control.

00:15:10.220 Exposing the truth about guns on Amazon and wherever books are sold.

00:15:13.400 That is such a good book.

00:15:15.220 We're going to go through beginning next week,

00:15:17.980 all of the arguments in control,

00:15:21.260 and we're going to teach you the facts about gun control and,

00:15:26.380 and shooters and murderers.

00:15:30.580 And you know,

00:15:32.620 what is it?

00:15:33.700 The gun free zones.

00:15:35.500 I love those.

00:15:36.660 Love those.

00:15:38.440 Let me go to Eric in Florida.

00:15:41.340 Hello,

00:15:41.900 Eric.

00:15:42.980 Mr.

00:15:43.500 Beck,

00:15:43.720 it is an absolute honor to talk to you.

00:15:45.460 I live in,

00:15:46.600 I live in Parkland.

00:15:47.600 I graduated from Stoneman Douglas in 2004.

00:15:50.480 So I'm,

00:15:51.120 I'm a little older than what's going on there now,

00:15:53.980 but I know Sheriff Israel,

00:15:55.600 you said you wanted someone to call in who knows him.

00:15:57.900 Yeah,

00:15:58.020 I know him.

00:15:58.800 He is a politician.

00:16:00.340 He is a leftist.

00:16:01.520 He is not a law enforcement officer.

00:16:04.820 He ran for this seat and beat out a really good guy who had been in the seat for a very long time.

00:16:09.980 Sheriff Israel is best friends with Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

00:16:13.260 Oh my God.

00:16:13.800 He is,

00:16:14.200 he's pals with Ted Deutsch,

00:16:16.020 Congressman Deutsch.

00:16:17.240 He is,

00:16:18.360 he is everything that's wrong with Broward County.

00:16:21.040 I think I lived down here my whole life.

00:16:23.060 I constitute my family and I probably constitute the entire Jewish conservative base down here,

00:16:29.160 all five of us.

00:16:29.960 Good luck.

00:16:32.620 We probably constitute the entire conservative base down here.

00:16:36.600 But besides the fact he is,

00:16:38.920 you said you wanted someone that knows him.

00:16:40.440 I know him.

00:16:41.000 There's,

00:16:41.340 there's nothing off as far as conspiracy goes.

00:16:43.720 It's just,

00:16:44.240 this is who he is.

00:16:45.420 He made Broward County.

00:16:46.780 So you're saying sanctuary County.

00:16:48.160 So you're saying that he's just a politician,

00:16:51.180 that he's not,

00:16:52.220 because I think that,

00:16:53.340 I think there's something more than this because he's throwing anything,

00:16:57.900 um,

00:16:59.340 that,

00:16:59.680 that,

00:17:00.200 uh,

00:17:00.600 uh,

00:17:01.300 that can make him look clean.

00:17:04.240 You know,

00:17:04.960 he's throwing people to the wolves and there's these,

00:17:07.940 what is it?

00:17:08.340 39 cases where he was called to this kid's house and,

00:17:14.340 and nothing happened.

00:17:16.000 I mean,

00:17:16.360 to me,

00:17:16.920 it's,

00:17:17.300 he's responsible.

00:17:19.160 Yeah.

00:17:19.600 And,

00:17:19.840 and I suspect,

00:17:20.700 and again,

00:17:20.940 listen,

00:17:21.220 I'm,

00:17:21.540 I'm not in law and for it.

00:17:22.520 I just,

00:17:22.840 I just know him and I know his politics.

00:17:24.600 I suspect as far as that goes,

00:17:26.120 that's just because he,

00:17:27.140 there,

00:17:27.400 if like the rest of the left,

00:17:29.140 if there's anything that he can do that takes the debate away from grabbing our guns,

00:17:33.840 that's what he's going to do.

00:17:34.760 So I think this is more of a cover our tracks so that we don't get off track as far as the narrative goes.

00:17:40.180 Um,

00:17:40.680 I don't know anything about,

00:17:42.380 you know,

00:17:42.940 the,

00:17:43.140 the investigation or any of that.

00:17:44.760 I just know that the day after the shooting,

00:17:47.700 the very day after the shooting,

00:17:49.720 he came up to our neck of the wood.

00:17:51.480 Broward County is physically a very large County.

00:17:53.820 Um,

00:17:54.200 he's,

00:17:54.520 he's very involved in the Southern part of the County,

00:17:56.340 which is where most of the liberal,

00:17:58.100 uh,

00:17:58.460 where most of the liberal elite,

00:18:00.040 including Debbie Wasserman is.

00:18:01.420 He came up to our neck of the woods.

00:18:03.140 He stood outside of Stoneman Douglas high school.

00:18:05.360 And the first words out of his mouth were vote for people who don't get money from the NRA.

00:18:09.680 I mean,

00:18:09.900 he,

00:18:10.180 the,

00:18:10.320 the investigation hadn't even started yet.

00:18:12.640 His deputies hadn't even infiltrated the school yet.

00:18:15.560 And he's already talking about grabbing our guns.

00:18:18.140 Wow.

00:18:18.380 So this is,

00:18:19.680 this is who he is.

00:18:20.460 He's a leftist.

00:18:21.600 Um,

00:18:22.060 never let a disaster go to waste,

00:18:23.740 never let a crisis go to waste.

00:18:24.940 And this is his moment to shine.

00:18:27.100 And my,

00:18:27.680 I suspect he's looking for higher office.

00:18:29.440 I've always thought that.

00:18:30.680 I will tell you,

00:18:31.500 Eric,

00:18:31.820 thank you very much.

00:18:32.460 I will tell you that that,

00:18:33.580 that makes sense.

00:18:34.220 If he is a,

00:18:35.140 just a political animal,

00:18:36.840 he's not a law enforcement guy,

00:18:38.620 just a political animal.

00:18:39.900 This is your chance to be embraced by the left and the elites.

00:18:45.080 And this is the same thing.

00:18:46.580 The guy from Duke thought.

00:18:48.260 Yes.

00:18:48.480 He wanted higher office.

00:18:49.440 Mike knife.

00:18:50.700 Yeah.

00:18:51.300 Knife.

00:18:51.700 Yeah.

00:18:51.940 And he,

00:18:52.880 the same exact thing.

00:18:53.820 Big,

00:18:54.260 big,

00:18:54.860 big,

00:18:56.020 uh,

00:18:57.620 you know,

00:18:58.100 increase of his head,

00:18:59.400 right?

00:18:59.680 His,

00:18:59.940 he,

00:19:00.100 he wanted bigger office.

00:19:01.380 He made a big deal out of the Duke lacrosse thing.

00:19:03.260 When it started falling apart,

00:19:04.380 he started lying about it.

00:19:06.280 Uh,

00:19:06.680 and you know,

00:19:07.360 I'm not saying that this,

00:19:08.380 we don't know yet.

00:19:09.080 We don't know,

00:19:09.560 but I mean,

00:19:09.820 you watched him on stage with Dana.

00:19:12.900 Number one,

00:19:13.500 you could tell as the caller just said that he was a leftist.

00:19:16.800 I mean,

00:19:17.180 certainly at least a big chunk of him was leftist because,

00:19:20.760 you know,

00:19:20.920 he was the one,

00:19:21.860 I mean,

00:19:22.060 you almost waited for him to say,

00:19:23.540 who's with me on the guns.

00:19:25.420 Like,

00:19:25.660 it was like,

00:19:26.060 he was just like trying to rally people for that cause rather than,

00:19:29.520 you know,

00:19:30.360 he wasn't acting like a law enforcement official.

00:19:33.260 So here's the thing.

00:19:34.300 Let's go back and play.

00:19:35.900 Uh,

00:19:36.180 we're going to take a quick break,

00:19:37.520 then come back and play that exchange,

00:19:40.440 uh,

00:19:41.080 at the town hall meeting with Dana,

00:19:43.080 because Dana had the facts and he was doing everything he could just to get,

00:19:47.660 stay with the crowd,

00:19:48.380 stay with the crowd,

00:19:49.080 stay with the crowd and discredit her.

00:19:51.360 When we now have the facts of the 39,

00:19:54.640 uh,

00:19:55.300 calls to police,

00:19:56.720 the 39 times.

00:19:59.240 Is that not enough?

00:20:00.820 There's something wrong with this sheriff and we'll,

00:20:04.580 uh,

00:20:05.120 we'll go back and play in case you missed that,

00:20:08.200 that exchange with the sheriff and Dana lash in just a minute.

00:20:20.280 Glenn back.

00:20:22.280 Mercury.

00:20:22.720 Mercury.

00:20:22.860 Mercury.

00:20:22.880 Mercury.

00:20:22.920 Mercury.

00:20:22.940 Mercury.

00:20:22.960 Mercury.

00:20:22.980 Mercury.

00:20:24.880 You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

00:20:39.920 If we feel the totality of the circumstances rises to the level where we're concerned,

00:20:44.980 this person might be mentally ill.

00:20:47.460 We need the power to take every firearm they have away from them and bring them to a mental health facility.

00:20:53.080 The 39 visits did not meet that standard.

00:20:56.720 39 visits,

00:20:57.720 assaulting students,

00:20:58.700 assaulting parents,

00:20:59.520 taking bullets and knives to school.

00:21:00.920 Did that not meet that standard?

00:21:02.180 Well,

00:21:02.640 which,

00:21:03.000 which,

00:21:03.360 which are you speaking about specifically?

00:21:04.980 You seem to know about all 39.

00:21:06.400 Well,

00:21:06.540 there's,

00:21:06.780 I know there's one Florida statute where if he's sending messages,

00:21:09.220 threatening,

00:21:10.780 if he's sending messages,

00:21:12.040 threatening to kill people,

00:21:13.580 that right there under Florida state law.

00:21:16.180 Who did he send the message to kill people to?

00:21:18.380 Buzzfeed,

00:21:18.960 AP,

00:21:19.660 Reuters,

00:21:20.220 Yahoo News,

00:21:20.780 all reported that was to other students.

00:21:22.000 Who was the victim?

00:21:23.140 It was,

00:21:23.460 it was sent to other students.

00:21:25.060 Reuters can't be a victim.

00:21:26.360 The only person who could be a victim is an individual.

00:21:28.680 Sheriff is what I'm saying.

00:21:29.180 So if an individual was threatened and it was real,

00:21:32.180 that's a crime.

00:21:33.220 But if he's posting things.

00:21:34.500 They were threatened with death.

00:21:36.060 They were threatened that they were going to bleed.

00:21:37.760 They were threatened that they were going to be killed.

00:21:40.200 Well,

00:21:40.980 what's your specific case?

00:21:42.140 And he had already taken bullets and knives to school.

00:21:44.740 He had already assaulted people.

00:21:46.320 He assaulted his parents.

00:21:47.460 He assaulted other students.

00:21:49.340 39 visits.

00:21:50.680 And this was known to the intelligence and law enforcement community.

00:21:55.980 Now,

00:21:56.180 I'm not,

00:21:56.600 look,

00:21:56.940 I'm not saying that you can be everywhere at once,

00:21:58.940 but this is what I'm talking about.

00:22:00.620 We have to follow up on these red flags.

00:22:02.500 You're not the litmus test.

00:22:03.820 Doesn't that meet the standard?

00:22:04.380 You're absolutely not the litmus test for how law enforcement should follow up.

00:22:08.180 You're wrong.

00:22:08.880 There weren't 39 visits.

00:22:10.680 Some of them,

00:22:11.260 they were GOA.

00:22:12.020 Some of them called from other states to say there were 39 visits.

00:22:15.520 I don't know where you got those facts,

00:22:16.760 but you're completely wrong.

00:22:18.020 Did they report it inaccurately?

00:22:19.380 They reported it inaccurately.

00:22:21.140 So the crowd is cheering when she says media,

00:22:23.820 because they think that it's Fox news.

00:22:26.060 It was CNN,

00:22:28.340 CNN that reported that.

00:22:31.220 And many others.

00:22:32.120 Yeah.

00:22:32.660 But I mean,

00:22:33.340 CNN,

00:22:33.600 I believe was first.

00:22:34.440 Right.

00:22:35.200 So give me the 39,

00:22:36.900 give me the 39 visits.

00:22:38.100 So part of it is there were 39 visits reported by CNN.

00:22:42.020 I don't know that all of them were in Broward County.

00:22:44.740 Eventually the sheriff gets to that as his 15th line of defense.

00:22:48.100 He says,

00:22:48.460 well,

00:22:48.560 I don't think all of them were here.

00:22:49.660 And I think that's,

00:22:51.180 I don't think he was there for all seven years where these went on.

00:22:53.520 Here's the,

00:22:54.060 here's the ones just from since 2016.

00:22:56.640 Okay.

00:22:57.260 February 5th,

00:22:57.820 2016 Broward Sheriff's office deputy is told by an anonymous caller that this

00:23:01.840 killer,

00:23:02.660 then 17 had threatened on Instagram to shoot up his school and posted a photo of

00:23:07.200 himself with guns.

00:23:08.480 Information was to,

00:23:09.920 uh,

00:23:10.360 to cheese,

00:23:11.580 to BSO deputy Scott Peterson.

00:23:14.540 Oh boy.

00:23:15.420 A school resource officer at the,

00:23:17.100 at the high school.

00:23:18.060 Okay.

00:23:18.260 So this is Scott Peterson,

00:23:19.660 the guy who was cowering behind the,

00:23:22.720 uh,

00:23:23.380 uh,

00:23:23.960 the,

00:23:24.340 the,

00:23:24.500 the concrete wall.

00:23:25.480 At least that's how it's,

00:23:26.180 you know,

00:23:26.440 that's what we know right now.

00:23:28.240 Okay.

00:23:28.620 Uh,

00:23:28.780 September 23rd,

00:23:29.700 2016,

00:23:30.380 a peer counselor reports to Peterson that,

00:23:33.000 uh,

00:23:33.260 this shooter had,

00:23:34.800 uh,

00:23:35.020 possibly ingested gasoline in a suicide attempt.

00:23:39.020 Man,

00:23:39.460 I wish this went differently,

00:23:40.460 uh,

00:23:41.040 was cutting himself and wanted to buy a gun.

00:23:42.920 Uh,

00:23:43.400 a mental health counselor advises against involuntary of committing of this student.

00:23:48.740 Uh,

00:23:49.260 the high school says it will conduct a threat assessment.

00:23:51.980 Uh,

00:23:52.500 five days later,

00:23:53.520 an investigator,

00:23:53.940 look at how many warning signs he makes.

00:23:56.780 They take our children with a class to lookalike firearm,

00:24:00.860 otherwise known as a finger gun.

00:24:02.960 They take our children and they,

00:24:05.280 they scare the hell out of them.

00:24:07.340 But here's a kid that goes on Facebook says,

00:24:10.640 I'm going to kill people in school.

00:24:11.780 Then I'm going to kill myself.

00:24:13.560 He has guns.

00:24:15.140 They know about it.

00:24:16.600 We'll investigate.

00:24:18.020 Are you,

00:24:18.900 are you kidding me?

00:24:20.400 I mean,

00:24:20.700 that's,

00:24:21.180 that's incredible.

00:24:22.040 Five days later,

00:24:22.760 investigator for the Florida department of children and families rules,

00:24:25.600 cruels,

00:24:26.060 cruels,

00:24:26.780 the killer is stable despite fresh cuts on his arms.

00:24:31.220 His mother,

00:24:32.000 he's stable.

00:24:32.620 His mother says in the past,

00:24:34.540 he wrote a racial slur against African Americans on his book bag.

00:24:37.980 And then recently talked about buying firearms.

00:24:40.300 Uh,

00:24:40.720 a year later,

00:24:41.240 uh,

00:24:42.080 a YouTube user,

00:24:43.080 as we know with the exact name of this killer posts,

00:24:46.240 a comment stating he wants to become a professional school shooter.

00:24:49.640 The comment is reported to the FBI,

00:24:51.500 which fails to make the connection to South Florida.

00:24:54.860 In fact,

00:24:55.000 doesn't even go through the process to send it to a South Florida,

00:24:58.400 November 1st,

00:24:59.640 2017.

00:25:01.060 Uh,

00:25:01.540 Catherine Blaine,

00:25:02.800 the cousin of this killer calls,

00:25:05.120 uh,

00:25:05.560 to report that the,

00:25:07.380 that he had weapons and asked that police recover them.

00:25:10.720 A close family friend agrees to take the firearms.

00:25:14.920 Uh,

00:25:15.500 November 29th,

00:25:16.820 Palm beach County families that took in this killer after the death of his

00:25:20.800 mother calls a Palm beach sheriff office to report a fight between him and

00:25:24.940 their son,

00:25:25.560 22 years old.

00:25:26.480 A member of the family says the killer had threatened to get his gun and

00:25:30.400 come back and that he has put guns to others heads in the past.

00:25:33.740 End quote.

00:25:34.960 The family does not want him arrested.

00:25:36.360 Once he calms down,

00:25:37.400 November 30th,

00:25:39.260 2017,

00:25:39.880 a caller from Massachusetts calls,

00:25:41.520 uh,

00:25:42.020 again,

00:25:43.040 uh,

00:25:43.540 to report that the killer is collecting guns and knives and could be a

00:25:48.380 school shooter in the making.

00:25:49.740 End quote.

00:25:50.940 A deputy advises the caller to contact the Palm beach sheriff.

00:25:55.900 Caller to the,

00:25:56.860 this is now January 5th of this year.

00:25:58.600 A caller to the FBI tip line reports that Cruz,

00:26:01.240 uh,

00:26:01.600 sorry,

00:26:03.860 that this,

00:26:04.580 we're trying really hard to use the,

00:26:06.820 not to use the killer's name,

00:26:08.260 uh,

00:26:08.620 that this murderer had a desire to kill people and could potentially conduct a

00:26:12.500 school shooting information never passed on to the FBI's office in

00:26:15.620 Miami on and on and on 39 total.

00:26:17.640 These are the last,

00:26:18.660 this is the last batch of them with all the detail that directly,

00:26:21.860 you know,

00:26:22.400 relates to,

00:26:23.840 and that the,

00:26:25.020 within hours of this shooting,

00:26:27.520 the name is brought to the attention of the sheriff and the sheriff has a

00:26:33.840 file on this kid,

00:26:35.900 right?

00:26:36.020 Cause they're now released nine one one tapes about him,

00:26:39.460 uh,

00:26:39.860 not from the shooting,

00:26:40.680 but from previous incidents,

00:26:42.880 uh,

00:26:43.800 where the police were activated.

00:26:45.840 Let me go to Mike also in Florida.

00:26:47.860 He is a police officer in West Palm beach.

00:26:50.400 Hello,

00:26:50.840 Mike.

00:26:51.900 How are you doing?

00:26:52.660 Glenn?

00:26:52.980 I'm good.

00:26:53.820 How are you?

00:26:55.100 I'm doing well.

00:26:55.980 Long time listener,

00:26:56.880 man.

00:26:57.100 I've been following you for many years.

00:26:58.780 Thank you.

00:26:59.680 And,

00:27:00.140 uh,

00:27:00.540 thank you.

00:27:01.040 A few points I'd like to make,

00:27:02.300 uh,

00:27:03.260 part of the problem is the state attorneys,

00:27:05.220 the sheriff's office,

00:27:06.180 the police departments,

00:27:07.020 they handcuff us so much when we're trying to do our job that nothing gets

00:27:12.680 done.

00:27:13.460 They put these restrictions on cops.

00:27:16.260 They say one thing,

00:27:17.080 we're going to have felonies.

00:27:18.060 We're going to do great things.

00:27:20.180 We're going to look into these things we do.

00:27:23.040 And then nothing happens.

00:27:24.920 And therein lies the problem.

00:27:27.020 So tell me,

00:27:28.460 because there,

00:27:29.460 there is,

00:27:30.160 uh,

00:27:31.260 speculation that,

00:27:33.320 uh,

00:27:34.460 there were,

00:27:35.680 there were restrictions put on,

00:27:38.260 uh,

00:27:39.100 the cops and self-imposed on the sheriffs,

00:27:41.520 uh,

00:27:42.540 for a myriad of reasons that actually,

00:27:45.860 uh,

00:27:47.100 kind of help grow this situation.

00:27:49.780 Have you heard anything?

00:27:50.900 I don't want to get more specific than that.

00:27:52.680 Cause we're still verifying,

00:27:54.160 but have you heard anything like that?

00:27:57.320 No,

00:27:57.800 it's,

00:27:58.100 it's,

00:27:58.380 it's even on a broader scale than what we're talking about now.

00:28:01.340 It's from your basic burglaries to your gun calls,

00:28:04.660 to your guns in schools.

00:28:05.760 We sweep these problems under the rug because they don't want the attention

00:28:09.360 brought to the schools.

00:28:11.480 It's a negative reflection on the school to have these problems.

00:28:14.320 Look at the community.

00:28:15.000 Parkland is it's affluent kids.

00:28:18.400 It's a nice area.

00:28:19.280 I used to live about 15 minutes and work about 15 minutes away from there.

00:28:22.240 It's,

00:28:22.480 I mean,

00:28:22.900 it's,

00:28:23.460 it's a nice area.

00:28:24.380 It's a,

00:28:24.680 I mean,

00:28:24.860 you,

00:28:25.040 and of course,

00:28:25.940 yeah,

00:28:26.400 there's a lot of,

00:28:27.860 a lot of people speculating about,

00:28:29.620 you know,

00:28:30.360 some of the,

00:28:31.020 uh,

00:28:31.740 reporting standards that went along with this.

00:28:34.200 And we're looking into some of that,

00:28:35.580 um,

00:28:36.080 to see how much there is to it.

00:28:38.000 There's a lot going on around the internet on,

00:28:39.720 you know,

00:28:40.100 maybe the motivations of these officers or,

00:28:42.680 or of this program.

00:28:43.920 Yeah.

00:28:44.400 Um,

00:28:44.960 not the officers leads to bad incentives,

00:28:48.380 I would say.

00:28:49.520 Um,

00:28:49.940 so we are looking into that stuff as we,

00:28:51.860 as we go on here.

00:28:52.900 Uh,

00:28:53.380 but you know,

00:28:53.900 it's important to confirm before we go into it.

00:28:55.540 Mike,

00:28:55.740 do you know anything about Scott Peterson?

00:28:58.780 Um,

00:28:59.200 no,

00:28:59.780 uh,

00:29:00.400 you know,

00:29:00.700 just,

00:29:01.160 just from what you hear.

00:29:02.340 I mean,

00:29:02.600 don't know him personally.

00:29:03.800 I mean,

00:29:04.300 was he,

00:29:05.280 uh,

00:29:05.320 is local news doing anything on him?

00:29:09.020 Was he,

00:29:09.480 uh,

00:29:09.600 is it possible that this was a vet that had PTSD or?

00:29:15.640 No.

00:29:16.200 Um,

00:29:16.740 what I'm,

00:29:17.580 what I hear from the guys is,

00:29:20.580 uh,

00:29:21.040 you know,

00:29:22.020 you,

00:29:22.540 it's hard to judge an officer,

00:29:24.180 what they do,

00:29:24.900 how they do,

00:29:25.420 how they respond,

00:29:26.380 what's going through their head,

00:29:27.460 where they're located.

00:29:28.680 And as soon as they get a scapegoat,

00:29:30.280 one of these political guys,

00:29:31.820 even our sheriff,

00:29:33.620 where does the blame go?

00:29:34.520 It goes immediately to the guy on the street.

00:29:36.240 It doesn't go to the underlying problem that maybe the school should have

00:29:39.460 two cops.

00:29:40.720 Maybe,

00:29:41.440 um,

00:29:42.040 we should have a quicker response times.

00:29:43.780 Maybe we shouldn't have deputies lining up,

00:29:45.420 having to get clearances before we go into an active shooter situation.

00:29:49.420 Thanks,

00:29:49.880 Mike.

00:29:50.140 These are the problems.

00:29:51.240 I appreciate it.

00:29:51.960 Thank you so much.

00:29:52.800 Let me go to Steve in South Carolina.

00:29:54.820 Hello,

00:29:55.080 Steve.

00:29:56.360 Hello.

00:29:56.900 How are you doing?

00:29:57.640 I'm good.

00:29:58.080 How are you,

00:29:58.520 sir?

00:29:59.640 Great.

00:30:00.140 I really appreciate all that you've done and,

00:30:02.480 and I've been listening to your program for a very,

00:30:04.900 very,

00:30:05.280 very long time.

00:30:06.080 Thank you.

00:30:07.760 Yes.

00:30:08.360 Um,

00:30:08.680 down here in South Carolina,

00:30:10.340 we had a police officer that shot an unarmed black man.

00:30:13.700 Uh,

00:30:13.860 I think it was roughly two years ago.

00:30:15.640 Yeah.

00:30:16.680 And I would get in debates with my friends,

00:30:19.440 uh,

00:30:20.700 about anything that really needs to happen.

00:30:23.080 I'm,

00:30:23.340 I'm,

00:30:23.660 uh,

00:30:25.180 a hundred percent disabled vet,

00:30:26.760 retired military.

00:30:27.860 I've been over seven times for combat.

00:30:30.200 Wow.

00:30:31.320 Thank you.

00:30:32.320 And I appreciate that.

00:30:34.440 And it's all training.

00:30:37.060 It's all training.

00:30:38.100 And if someone,

00:30:39.580 if that would have happened,

00:30:40.820 uh,

00:30:42.580 in the military,

00:30:43.520 not only would that person who shot the,

00:30:46.940 the unarmed guy gotten fired and disciplined,

00:30:49.980 but everybody above him would have been disciplined.

00:30:52.600 So if we,

00:30:55.180 wait,

00:30:55.300 wait,

00:30:55.340 wait.

00:30:55.480 So the,

00:30:55.940 the sheriff that froze everyone above him would have been disciplined.

00:31:01.260 Absolutely.

00:31:02.340 Absolutely.

00:31:03.480 And the main reason for that is then someone will come in someone else and

00:31:08.940 they'll emphasize training.

00:31:10.080 And after years of basically every leadership getting in trouble,

00:31:14.200 leadership will start understanding that they're responsible for all their

00:31:17.420 deputies.

00:31:18.820 And then they'll start training them harder.

00:31:21.580 They'll start making sure they go to the right classes.

00:31:24.140 They'll make sure they're ready instead of just throwing them out there and

00:31:27.460 saying,

00:31:27.700 well,

00:31:27.860 if he gets in trouble,

00:31:28.720 that's him.

00:31:30.260 Um,

00:31:30.880 Steve is,

00:31:32.700 would you understand if he was a vet and this was PTSD,

00:31:36.160 not,

00:31:36.640 not understanding the,

00:31:38.500 the sheriff for putting him in that situation,

00:31:41.360 uh,

00:31:42.200 and not seeing that that could be a possibility,

00:31:45.120 but could you see that that is a possibility of,

00:31:48.560 of something that happened?

00:31:50.780 I,

00:31:51.500 I hate to say yes or no to that question,

00:31:56.320 just cause I,

00:31:57.560 obviously I have severe PTSD and I've run into situations afterwards since I've

00:32:05.240 been out where I run right towards the problem still.

00:32:07.860 And,

00:32:08.380 um,

00:32:09.540 but I have no idea what he's been through.

00:32:11.960 I don't know,

00:32:12.960 but I just don't understand how you didn't run into that school.

00:32:17.140 Kids,

00:32:17.540 how you didn't bust through all the kids who are obviously running out.

00:32:20.940 You didn't go through a window.

00:32:22.240 You didn't do whatever it took to get in there.

00:32:25.060 It's beyond me.

00:32:26.220 And again,

00:32:27.160 you do have a point.

00:32:28.880 However,

00:32:30.000 if he was going through the right training,

00:32:31.880 the sheriff should have seen that,

00:32:36.160 that we need to pull you off of this,

00:32:38.360 give you another,

00:32:39.440 give you another job or we need to have you out of here.

00:32:43.340 Steve,

00:32:43.920 thank you very much.

00:32:44.840 I,

00:32:45.060 I appreciate it.

00:32:45.860 And,

00:32:46.180 um,

00:32:47.040 I'm sorry for your,

00:32:47.960 your loss of,

00:32:49.640 um,

00:32:50.420 the use of your body.

00:32:51.660 Um,

00:32:52.060 but my children,

00:32:54.480 uh,

00:32:55.480 uh,

00:32:55.780 have a chance to be free and make the case for freedom because of your

00:32:59.820 sacrifice.

00:33:00.360 And I appreciate it,

00:33:01.200 Steve.

00:33:01.520 Thank you very much.

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00:34:50.560 Glenn Beck,

00:34:52.440 Mercury.

00:34:58.020 Glenn Beck.

00:34:59.320 Very excited to have Jordan Peterson on with us.

00:35:01.940 Uh,

00:35:02.500 he's coming up in just about 10 minutes from now.

00:35:05.400 Jordan Peterson is,

00:35:07.260 is on fire,

00:35:09.100 uh,

00:35:10.340 in,

00:35:10.880 in probably one of the biggest internet,

00:35:12.560 uh,

00:35:13.160 sensations,

00:35:13.800 uh,

00:35:15.100 that is around today.

00:35:16.800 Uh,

00:35:17.320 and he's just talking common sense.

00:35:19.040 I mean,

00:35:19.640 it's coming from a professor,

00:35:21.540 a Canadian professor talking common sense.

00:35:24.560 We're going to talk to him a little bit about toxic masculinity.

00:35:27.860 That's the new catchphrase.

00:35:30.000 Um,

00:35:30.740 uh,

00:35:31.220 and,

00:35:31.740 uh,

00:35:31.920 you know,

00:35:32.200 that was what,

00:35:32.720 you know,

00:35:33.320 that that's one of the problems,

00:35:34.420 right?

00:35:34.840 That happened in Florida was toxic max masculinity.

00:35:37.640 This gun culture is,

00:35:39.040 is just nothing but toxic masculinity.

00:35:42.000 Um,

00:35:42.520 also love to get his thoughts on,

00:35:45.280 uh,

00:35:45.940 from,

00:35:49.060 from a guy who is not involved in American politics and is in Canada,

00:35:54.060 watching,

00:35:54.940 looking in how he views our discourse.

00:35:58.820 And the discourse that we've had here in the last week about this in particular,

00:36:04.300 the CNN,

00:36:05.460 um,

00:36:07.160 uh,

00:36:07.580 town hall meeting.

00:36:09.080 We'll talk to him coming up in just a few minutes.

00:36:10.900 You don't want to miss it.

00:36:11.560 Let me go to Joe in Tennessee.

00:36:13.780 Hello,

00:36:14.020 Joe.

00:36:14.320 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

00:36:16.140 Hey,

00:36:16.580 Glenn.

00:36:16.780 How are you?

00:36:17.220 Very good.

00:36:19.040 Hey,

00:36:19.440 I was calling in,

00:36:20.460 um,

00:36:20.960 you know,

00:36:21.460 right after this shooting happened,

00:36:23.040 our local County here in Nashville,

00:36:24.680 um,

00:36:25.420 school district shut all the schools down and they had all of the teachers go up to,

00:36:30.620 um,

00:36:31.340 a meeting where the superintendent and the sheriffs were there.

00:36:34.880 And the whole talk was about what we're going to do in the school and all that.

00:36:37.680 And,

00:36:37.900 and one of the things that the superintendent comes right out and says was,

00:36:41.040 you know,

00:36:41.560 we're not going to make our schools prisons and we're not going to do such and such.

00:36:44.580 And I'm like,

00:36:45.500 you know,

00:36:45.920 with everything that's going on,

00:36:46.960 it's like,

00:36:47.280 you're just throwing out the,

00:36:49.360 one of the solutions to this problem of,

00:36:51.460 of the things that the secure,

00:36:52.600 the security measures we need to take in the schools.

00:36:55.320 Yeah.

00:36:55.480 I mean,

00:36:56.000 our,

00:36:56.320 our,

00:36:56.680 our airports are like prisons.

00:36:59.900 Uh,

00:37:00.260 our banks are like prisons.

00:37:02.760 Anything that we're trying to protect museums are like prisons.

00:37:06.720 The Capitol is like a prison.

00:37:09.020 The white house is like a prison.

00:37:11.240 Our air force bases are like a prison.

00:37:14.600 Our Navy bases are like prisons.

00:37:17.020 If you're wanting to protect something,

00:37:19.440 you have to have the right measures in place.

00:37:26.760 Glenn Beck,

00:37:28.620 Mercury.

00:37:34.560 Love,

00:37:35.840 courage,

00:37:36.480 truth.

00:37:39.220 Glenn Beck.

00:37:40.800 France is no longer free.

00:37:43.900 Marion Le Pen took the stage at CPAC yesterday,

00:37:46.260 spent the first several minutes of her speech,

00:37:48.520 destroying the EU.

00:37:50.360 She lamented about lost sovereignty at the hands of Brussels and advocated a new global slogan,

00:37:57.800 America first,

00:37:59.360 Britain first,

00:38:00.320 and France first.

00:38:01.940 I searched around yesterday after she left the stage to see what people were saying.

00:38:07.320 And by and large,

00:38:08.060 nobody was saying anything.

00:38:09.500 The conservative media and voices were all but silent.

00:38:14.320 It's probably because everything she said sounded a little like the Republicans today.

00:38:21.540 Anti-EU and large trade organizations.

00:38:25.040 Yep.

00:38:25.380 Anti-immigrant.

00:38:26.460 Yep.

00:38:27.260 Skeptical of Muslim immigrants.

00:38:28.780 Yep.

00:38:29.140 For big government.

00:38:31.680 Yep,

00:38:31.980 yep,

00:38:32.120 yep,

00:38:32.300 yep,

00:38:32.440 yep.

00:38:33.620 Now,

00:38:34.160 here's why this is scary.

00:38:35.560 All of these issues I just said,

00:38:38.140 mega trade alliances,

00:38:39.940 immigration,

00:38:40.800 and Muslim migrants are actual legitimate issues.

00:38:45.560 Sovereignty is a legitimate issue.

00:38:48.520 In fact,

00:38:49.000 it's a big reason why Trump won,

00:38:51.560 because he gave voice to those concerns that I hold and many in this audience hold.

00:38:56.700 By and large,

00:38:58.440 they have been ignored and belittled for decades.

00:39:02.460 And so you look for somebody strong enough to battle that monster.

00:39:08.060 And the longer we're belittled and the longer we're ignored,

00:39:11.460 the bigger our monster needs to be.

00:39:14.380 If you watched Marion Le Pen yesterday,

00:39:17.120 you saw something the new American right hasn't had in,

00:39:21.560 well,

00:39:22.880 maybe ever a young female photogenic fire brand.

00:39:27.720 There she was at CPAC flashing that million dollar smile and giving the crowd absolutely everything they wanted to hear.

00:39:34.000 At one point,

00:39:34.740 they started chanting,

00:39:36.200 Viva la France,

00:39:37.100 Viva la France.

00:39:38.200 Let's get one thing straight right now.

00:39:41.620 The far right in Europe has nothing in common with American conservatism.

00:39:49.800 These people and groups are ethno-nationalist populists.

00:39:54.160 That is not a good thing.

00:39:55.440 We've seen this in the 1930s.

00:39:57.560 The only thing they're concerned with is using real issues like trade,

00:40:04.040 the economy,

00:40:04.840 immigration,

00:40:05.860 the loss of sovereignty,

00:40:07.020 and focusing people's rage.

00:40:10.680 That's how monsters are born.

00:40:13.300 That's how it happened in the 1930s.

00:40:15.900 That's how you gain power.

00:40:18.520 And when they get that power,

00:40:19.820 they're not really interested in reducing the size and scope of government.

00:40:22.840 They expand it through control.

00:40:25.980 The massive welfare state and aggression.

00:40:29.700 That is national socialism.

00:40:33.140 There is a global effort right now among the far uber ultra far right all over the world to link themselves to the success of Donald Trump.

00:40:45.180 Now,

00:40:45.940 I get that they would want to try to emulate the success and ride on coattails,

00:40:50.420 but we should not be helping them do it.

00:40:54.220 The European far right,

00:40:55.800 which has more in common with the neo-Nazi and alt-right than anything else,

00:41:01.880 was actually giving a speech to American conservatives yesterday.

00:41:07.440 They're being legitimized and co-opted into the American right.

00:41:13.060 Let me make this really clear.

00:41:15.500 This is dangerous and not the American conservative movement.

00:41:19.500 The American conservative movement does not hate immigrants.

00:41:23.700 It welcomes those who want to come to America because they see that what we have and what we have is freedom and the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and law and order.

00:41:36.040 They want to come to America because they know they can make themselves and us into something bigger and better.

00:41:44.800 We want those people.

00:41:46.880 We believe in free trade and economic freedom.

00:41:50.440 We believe in our country.

00:41:52.240 We believe in the Irish being Irish and the French being French and the British and Americans being Americans.

00:41:59.620 We believe that.

00:42:03.340 But not if it's built on rage and hatred.

00:42:06.600 It's why we don't really necessarily believe right now that Iran should be Iran.

00:42:12.480 We believe in personal salvation, not collective.

00:42:17.960 We believe in personal responsibility, not collective.

00:42:23.160 That is the center of the American conservative movement.

00:42:28.320 If the American right marches behind a flag instead of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, it is over.

00:42:42.720 This co-opting of the European right and the alt-right must end now.

00:42:52.840 It's Friday, February 23rd.

00:43:01.280 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:43:04.400 Dr. Jordan Peterson, who would have thought that a common sense would come from a university professor from Canada?

00:43:15.800 But he is probably the biggest sensation out there now, especially with the youth and young males, because he is speaking common sense, and he's speaking it peacefully, and he's talking about God.

00:43:32.380 And he's got a best-selling book out, number one bestseller, 12 Rules for Life, an Antidote to Chaos.

00:43:39.400 Welcome to the program, Dr. Jordan Peterson.

00:43:41.680 How are you?

00:43:42.120 I'm good.

00:43:44.020 Yeah, I know.

00:43:44.600 A university professor.

00:43:46.780 I'm here.

00:43:49.740 You're breaking up.

00:43:50.940 We had this problem last time.

00:43:52.520 I don't know where you were standing last time, but can you stand there because you're breaking up and we can't understand you?

00:43:57.340 Oh, can you hear me?

00:43:58.460 I can hear you now.

00:43:59.760 Yes.

00:44:00.540 Okay, good.

00:44:01.240 Oh, yes.

00:44:01.700 I said, well, a Canadian and a university professor.

00:44:04.500 The end times must be near.

00:44:06.100 Yes, it is the clippity-clop of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

00:44:09.820 I want to talk to you about a few things.

00:44:13.260 We hear, and I know, I don't want to, you know, get you into politics, just common sense.

00:44:18.640 I don't know if you've been following, for instance, the CNN town hall this week and this debate that we're having,

00:44:25.340 but we have 16-year-olds that are demanding that America pretty much disregards the Second Amendment.

00:44:36.560 And we're not having sensible arguments at all.

00:44:40.040 There's no reason in the debates that we're having.

00:44:46.240 We're not listening to each other.

00:44:47.780 Do you have any thoughts on this?

00:44:49.920 Yeah, I think that can be, well, I think that that can be, that's true on a much wider scale than merely the debate that's going on about what happened after Parkland.

00:44:59.380 We're not listening to each other at all.

00:45:01.620 We're polarized to a great degree.

00:45:03.780 So how do we solve this?

00:45:05.580 Well, you know, I've been recommending, I would say that in my book, in 12 Rules for Life, in Rule 6, I outlined why such things as the Parkland school shooting occur.

00:45:20.160 And it has very little to do specifically with guns.

00:45:26.000 There's something much deeper and more horrible going on that is rather dreadful to look at.

00:45:31.580 I mean, people who are motivated to do the sorts of things that happen at Parkland are, they're possessed by a kind of ill will, an evil ill will whose magnitude is difficult to describe.

00:45:43.260 And it's a problem of disorientation and meaninglessness.

00:45:47.760 And it's expressing itself in gun violence, but it can express itself in all sorts of ways.

00:45:52.260 And the problem, the deeper problem has to be solved as far as I'm concerned.

00:45:57.880 And that's the problem of nihilism in the face of the tragedy of life.

00:46:02.280 And it's that kind of destructive nihilism that drives the actions of people like the school shooters.

00:46:09.420 So it's very difficult for us to have an intelligent conversation about that because nobody wants to look at the darkness enough to actually understand what motivates people like the shooters.

00:46:21.560 And it's not surprising, you know.

00:46:24.280 And what happens then, of course, is that the discussion gets politicized and it goes down the same rails that it's always gone down.

00:46:30.880 Democrats say their thing and the Republicans say their thing.

00:46:34.820 And it never really ends up, the discussion never really ends up being about the school shootings, for example.

00:46:40.880 So, well, you know, I've been saying all week, you know, I started the week with a monologue on, you know, nobody even wants to talk about the seven out of the nine shooters that were under 30 came from fatherless homes.

00:47:02.620 Right.

00:47:03.240 I mean, we have a breakdown.

00:47:04.800 Well, there's definitely something there, I would say, because these men, these young men, they lack purpose and direction.

00:47:13.880 And that's really not a good thing because life is very difficult.

00:47:18.080 As the religious sages have always had it, life is suffering.

00:47:21.440 And you need to set something positive against that suffering or it corrupts you.

00:47:26.460 And when it corrupts you, you become vengeful and vindictive and murderous and genocidal.

00:47:31.600 Like, those are the stages.

00:47:33.720 And the school shooters are two-thirds of the way to genocidal by the time they perform their actions.

00:47:39.940 Well, how do we...

00:47:40.540 It's because they turn against life because life is so difficult and they have nothing to set, nothing positive to set against it.

00:47:47.200 It's a real catastrophe.

00:47:48.940 And the fact that we're idiot, we're transforming ourselves into ideologues, both on the right and the left, is a reflection of the same problem.

00:47:56.680 It's that because people lack genuine, engaged meaning in their own personal lives, in large part because they don't understand how necessary it is to take responsibility, they turn to pseudo-solutions.

00:48:09.900 And an ideology, right or left, is a pseudo-solution to the problem of meaning in life.

00:48:17.500 And it's very dangerous.

00:48:19.920 We saw that in the 20th century, as you pointed out just before our talk.

00:48:23.920 How do we find meaning as a group when, I mean, especially with young men, there is a concerted effort, at least it seems, to eviscerate men?

00:48:42.920 The new catchphrase is toxic masculinity.

00:48:46.940 Yeah.

00:48:47.180 Oh, I know.

00:48:48.340 You know, 12 rules for life, which is rule 11, bother children when skateboarding.

00:48:57.020 You know, it's kind of a tongue-in-cheek title, but it's a very, very serious chapter.

00:49:01.200 And it's about the confusion between masculine confidence and masculine terror.

00:49:06.940 But, you know, the problem is...

00:49:09.940 You know what, we're going to have to take a break and see if we can get you to a better space so we can hear you.

00:49:17.320 You're breaking up again.

00:49:19.320 So we're going to send you a hardwired phone.

00:49:22.360 That's what we have to do.

00:49:23.800 We'll come back in just a second.

00:49:25.220 More with Jordan Peterson.

00:49:26.640 It's just so frustrating when he's on with us because there's nobody I want to hear every single word of more than Jordan Peterson.

00:49:39.220 One of the chapters is speak precisely, and yet we can never hear what he's saying.

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00:51:09.500 Jordan Peterson joining us now on A Landline.

00:51:13.480 Thank you, Jordan.

00:51:14.160 I'm sorry for the hassle on that.

00:51:16.680 No problem.

00:51:18.960 So, let's pick the conversation up where we were, where we left it off.

00:51:26.060 Um, and that's toxic masculinity.

00:51:28.680 And, and how do we find meaning?

00:51:32.520 How do, how do young men find meaning in their life when society is, is tearing them down and

00:51:39.380 saying, you know, you're, you're bad, you're worthless, you're not needed.

00:51:44.760 Yeah, well, it's part of an all-out assault, as far as I can tell, in some sense, mostly from

00:51:50.760 the radical left on the idea of competence itself.

00:51:54.280 And there's a confusion between tyranny and power and competence.

00:51:59.220 You know, in, in our society, which is a pretty free society, so let's say Western societies,

00:52:04.660 most of our hierarchies are mostly predicated on competence, which means that if you can do

00:52:09.780 the job, you tend to rise in the organization.

00:52:12.500 Now, that's contaminated a little bit with tyranny and power, of course, because no, no

00:52:17.340 organization is perfect.

00:52:19.040 And what we have is a claim, essentially, from the radical left, that male competence is

00:52:25.100 indistinguishable from male tyranny and power, and so that it should be all torn down, not

00:52:30.180 only the hierarchies, but the, but the spirit that generated the hierarchies.

00:52:34.600 And that's fundamentally the masculine spirit, even symbolically and psychologically speaking.

00:52:42.080 So what we see is an all-out assault on the masculine spirit, and that was actually, that

00:52:47.480 was actually formalized by Jacques Derrida.

00:52:50.240 He called Western culture phallogocentric, phallo from phallus, and logo from logos.

00:52:56.760 So it was male-dominated and driven by logos, and, of course, that's the Christian word, and

00:53:02.680 also the root idea behind the, behind the word logic.

00:53:06.600 And so it is part of an all-out intellectual, and an all-out war of ideas.

00:53:12.540 And the people who are bearing the brunt of that at the moment are, I would say, young

00:53:17.560 men.

00:53:18.080 Yeah, it's really not good.

00:53:20.140 So what is, so what is the, the end goal?

00:53:23.480 Is it, I mean, is it as clear as it seems to be that it is the end goal and the, the, the

00:53:31.300 motivation is just to destroy the, the West?

00:53:35.100 Can you, can you find any logic in there that is, that is more than that?

00:53:40.740 Look, if you buy the idea that the West is a corrupt patriarchy, and then that's the logical,

00:53:47.340 that's the logical end goal.

00:53:48.720 I mean, the, the more radical disciplines at the universities, women's studies and, and,

00:53:53.620 and those sorts of disciplines have said for decades that their goal was the destruction

00:53:57.560 of the patriarchy.

00:53:58.780 It's like, it's very often, you know, that people tell you what they're doing.

00:54:01.940 You just have to listen to them.

00:54:03.900 I mean, if you read the school shooters' documents, like the kids from Columbine High School, they

00:54:08.780 told you exactly why they did what they, what they did.

00:54:11.240 If you go onto the websites and read, um, the curricula and, uh, dictates of women's studies,

00:54:18.300 uh, uh, disciplines at universities, they tell you exactly what they're doing.

00:54:23.240 If the West is a corrupt patriarchy, then the right thing to do is to tear it down.

00:54:28.580 So it's not, it's not a surprise and it's not a conspiracy theory.

00:54:32.680 It's, it's, it's just precisely what, what's, that's the doctrine, that's the dogma.

00:54:38.880 And the university, especially the humanities departments are overwhelmingly, uh, left and

00:54:44.800 radical left.

00:54:46.380 So it's been well documented by people like Jonathan Haidt with his Heterodox Academy.

00:54:51.440 Jonathan is an extraordinarily reasonable person.

00:54:54.400 He's no one's idea of a radical.

00:54:56.780 Yeah.

00:54:56.900 I, I, I, I greatly respect him.

00:55:01.040 Who is, uh, uh, Jordan, who are the people that we should be reading besides you and your

00:55:07.040 book?

00:55:07.400 Who are the people that inspire you or it can inspire men to be, to be men?

00:55:14.060 I think, I think that Steven Pinker is, is doing a fine job.

00:55:17.760 He has a new book out now.

00:55:19.800 Um, it's in the top 10.

00:55:21.640 So Pinker's a good person to read because Pinker's making a very powerful pro-enlightenment,

00:55:27.920 pro-reason, pro-science, pro-progress case, well-documented empirically.

00:55:32.760 I mean, the empirical evidence is pretty clear, although there is some evidence that inequality

00:55:37.900 is increasing.

00:55:39.560 First of all, no one knows what to do about that, right or left.

00:55:42.520 There's a new book by Walter Scheidel called The Great Leveling, which I would also much

00:55:46.500 recommend it because much, because he analyzes the problem of inequality with dead seriousness

00:55:52.840 and, and traces it back thousands of years and points out quite clearly that it's a problem,

00:55:59.140 but that it can't be laid at the feet of capitalism.

00:56:01.440 That's just foolish.

00:56:02.720 It's a way deeper problem than that.

00:56:04.980 And, but despite the fact that there's increasing inequality to some degree in the West, overall,

00:56:10.400 the entire world is getting richer and, and there are fewer poor people.

00:56:14.500 There are way fewer people in absolute poverty than there were 15 years ago, far fewer.

00:56:20.000 And so what's happening is our economic system is generating a lot of surplus and it's being

00:56:25.740 quite effectively distributed even to the lowest end of the socioeconomic spectrum, but inequality

00:56:32.200 still remains a problem.

00:56:33.620 And, you know, that drives a fair bit of theorizing on the left, but I would, I would very much recommend

00:56:38.180 Scheidel's book, The Great Leveling.

00:56:40.000 It's, it's, it's very bright and, and then there's, there's Pinker and then, you know,

00:56:44.320 I'm very much a fan of, of, of great classic literature.

00:56:48.880 I'm great admirer of Dostoevsky.

00:56:51.660 Dostoevsky's novels in particular are unbelievably profound explorations of the role of human

00:56:57.780 responsibility in the face of the tragedy and malevolence of existence.

00:57:01.800 So, and I have a reading list at jordanbpeterson.com that has about 40 books on it that I've recommended

00:57:08.640 that some of them are psychological in nature and others are literary, some are philosophical.

00:57:13.160 So, so let me take a, let me take a quick break and then I want to come back and, and

00:57:17.400 would you define what a good man is?

00:57:22.500 What, what is the goal to be a man and what does a good man look like when we come back

00:57:28.120 with Jordan Peterson?

00:57:31.800 Glenn Beck, Mercury.

00:57:57.720 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:57:59.600 Jordan Peterson, uh, is with us.

00:58:04.200 He is the author of the number one New York Times bestseller, 12 Rules for Life, an Antidote

00:58:08.780 to Chaos.

00:58:10.220 I can't recommend that you read this highly enough.

00:58:13.200 Welcome Jordan, uh, Jordan Peterson.

00:58:15.380 Can you describe, uh, what we all should be shooting for as a man?

00:58:21.680 Yes, yes.

00:58:22.500 So I was thinking about an image related to that.

00:58:25.400 So there's a cathedral in Montreal called St. Joseph's Oratorio and it's built on a hill.

00:58:30.940 It's a very large cathedral.

00:58:32.140 So it overlooks the hill.

00:58:33.880 It's a beautiful building.

00:58:34.820 And then there are many, many steps leading up to it, hundreds of steps.

00:58:39.020 And pilgrims come there to, to trudge up the steps one at a time towards the cathedral.

00:58:43.780 And there's something deeply symbolic about that.

00:58:46.780 The idea that's being expressed is, is, is profound and necessary.

00:58:52.800 And that is that we all need a vision of the way that, that life and the world could be.

00:58:59.340 We want to have a vision that, that, that could be as good as it could be.

00:59:03.240 The least amount of suffering and the most for everyone and the most freedom for everyone

00:59:08.380 and the best for everyone.

00:59:10.020 And the question is, how do you approach an ideal like that?

00:59:13.360 And the answer to that is by carrying your burden one step at a time up the hill.

00:59:22.700 And that's what you do in life.

00:59:25.040 You're not a victim.

00:59:26.560 Or if you are, you carry it.

00:59:28.960 No, and you take responsibility for it.

00:59:31.120 And you're someone other people can rely on.

00:59:33.400 And you tell the truth.

00:59:34.340 And that way you make the world a little better instead of worse.

00:59:39.340 And that's the alternative to ideological possession and collective action and, and, and group hatred

00:59:46.440 and tribalism and all those things that tear us apart is to accept that your life is tragic

00:59:52.600 and that you'll suffer and that there's evil in the world.

00:59:55.160 And that it's your, it's your responsibility to take that onto yourself and to carry it forward

01:00:02.840 towards the good.

01:00:05.840 That's meaning in life.

01:00:08.760 And that's the antidote to chaos and to catastrophe.

01:00:13.640 And, and the West knows this.

01:00:16.560 This is why, this is why we're an individualist culture.

01:00:21.140 Because we know that the individual has to be set above the group.

01:00:24.440 But it's not the individual in all his rights.

01:00:27.300 It's the, it's the individual in all his responsibility.

01:00:30.480 And that's the part of, of the dialogue that's missing from our culture currently.

01:00:36.000 And I believe that's why my book has become so popular and the lectures as well, because,

01:00:40.940 because I'm telling people, suggesting to people, and particularly, but not only to young men,

01:00:47.360 that they need to accept as much responsibility as they can tolerate.

01:00:52.340 And then build themselves into people who can tolerate even more responsibility.

01:00:57.920 And to be, and to, to accept that gratefully, because that's where the purpose and meaning in life is.

01:01:04.480 Jordan, I, I have, I have, I've gone from a man, you know, for a while I, I rejected that I have,

01:01:12.820 I had changed a great deal in the last couple of years.

01:01:16.640 But I, I have, and I've gone from a guy, um, that was very popular because I was certain of things,

01:01:24.600 to a guy who now really appreciates doubt, uh, and is, and, and I, I kind of view certitude as a, uh, as a,

01:01:37.200 as a dangerous thing, uh, because if I'm certain of what I believe,

01:01:42.040 then I don't necessarily believe, uh, you know, anybody else has me, has anything to teach me or, uh,

01:01:48.960 and, and yet I find, I think this is the message of Christ is, is humility.

01:01:56.240 Um, and, and yet people get.

01:02:00.500 Well, the humility is that, like, if things aren't everything they should be for you and around you,

01:02:04.560 then clearly you don't know enough.

01:02:06.900 Correct.

01:02:07.420 Right, and so then you better be looking for what you don't know, and that's the opposite of certainty.

01:02:12.280 We, we, we, we are in a situation now that, um, uh, we, it almost feels like we don't trust that the truth

01:02:21.760 will eventually win, that God is, uh, on the side of truth, and so we have to engage in this warfare,

01:02:29.440 and, and we're engaging online, we're engaging in tribalism, uh, and, and the, the, the, the answer

01:02:38.660 seems to be in the opposite direction of...

01:02:41.500 Yeah, well, we're trying to transform the political system into a tribal battlefield.

01:02:46.280 That's what identity politics is, and that can be accepted on the right as well.

01:02:51.120 The identitarians accept identity politics.

01:02:53.260 They just want to play it differently.

01:02:54.880 It's division into tribes, and it's a catastrophe.

01:02:59.240 Division into tribes means that we'll fight.

01:03:01.580 It's always been that way.

01:03:03.220 Human tribes have always fought, and, and terribly.

01:03:06.860 You know, there's an old idea that the hunter-gatherer types, that the, the, the pre, the pre-materialist,

01:03:14.340 pre-capitalist hunter-gatherer types were peaceful.

01:03:17.060 Nothing could be farther from the truth.

01:03:18.780 Yeah.

01:03:18.860 They have incredibly high male-on-male homicide rates.

01:03:23.460 Tribal people are unbelievably murderous, and we're all tribal, except when we decide

01:03:28.740 not to be.

01:03:29.980 And to decide not to be tribal is to decide to be an individual, but that means to take

01:03:34.440 all the weight of things onto your own shoulders.

01:03:37.600 And who wants that?

01:03:39.580 Right?

01:03:39.880 It's a, it's a terrible responsibility.

01:03:41.400 But the, the, the paradoxical truth of the matter is, is that the more you take on that

01:03:46.500 terrible responsibility, the deeper your life becomes, and that justifies the suffering.

01:03:51.540 But the more you take on the bigger target, I want, I want to read, I want to read this

01:03:55.840 to you.

01:03:56.100 This is a, um, uh, an article out of the Mercury News in California.

01:04:00.620 Uh, these men, particular Elon Musk are not only heavily invested in who can get their

01:04:07.260 rocket into space first, but into colonizing Mars, the desire to colonize, to have unquestioned,

01:04:14.640 unchallenging, automatic access to, to something, to any type of body and use it as will is a

01:04:22.120 patriarchal one.

01:04:23.640 Um, it is the same instinctual and cultural force that teaches men that everything and

01:04:28.560 everyone in their line of vision is theirs for the taking.

01:04:32.400 They're, they're, they're destroying a guy like Elon Musk, who's like, look, I, I believe

01:04:37.740 these things and I think we can be better than this.

01:04:40.260 And this gives me hope.

01:04:41.780 Let's go here.

01:04:43.360 Right.

01:04:43.880 Absolutely.

01:04:44.540 And, and there, see, that's a, that's a great, that's, that's your, your, your reference

01:04:49.680 hits the nail on the head.

01:04:51.260 You see there that confusion between male confidence and desire to, to move forward in the world.

01:04:58.560 And tyranny, those aren't the same thing.

01:05:02.780 No, they're not the same thing at all.

01:05:05.140 And Musk is no tyrant.

01:05:07.640 I mean, if you can't see that he's a hero, then there's something wrong with your vision.

01:05:12.100 And, you know, in, symbolically, the author of that article is equating Mars with the unspoiled

01:05:18.320 virgin, you know, and, and Musk with the rapist.

01:05:21.920 It's, it's an appalling vision of masculinity.

01:05:26.120 There's no excuse for it.

01:05:28.580 It's, there's no excuse for it.

01:05:30.280 It's all, there's nothing in that except destruction.

01:05:34.240 When do we, when?

01:05:35.220 Good men do things for themselves and for everyone else at the same time.

01:05:39.280 That's the right balance.

01:05:42.760 When do we want to do something that's good for you and good for your family and good for

01:05:46.220 the community and good for the surrounding world all at the same time.

01:05:49.680 And you can do that.

01:05:50.840 And that takes competence and clear vision and truth.

01:05:54.200 And those aren't, that's not tyranny.

01:05:56.320 And those people, the people who wrote the article that you described, they're the people

01:06:00.120 who think that emasculated weak men will be good because they're harmless.

01:06:04.460 And emasculated weak men will be the Parkland shooters.

01:06:09.600 That's the truth of the matter.

01:06:12.640 When do we begin to see this for what it is?

01:06:17.320 Let me ask you this question.

01:06:18.440 Are we closer to the end of this kind of thinking and movement, or are we closer to the end of

01:06:27.440 the beginning of it?

01:06:29.560 I don't know.

01:06:30.400 You know, there's been this funny idea that's been circulating on the internet about the

01:06:36.540 kingdom of Kekistan, where everything's in chaos.

01:06:39.500 And we're in chaos at the moment.

01:06:41.860 Things could go very well, but they could go very badly.

01:06:45.300 And I think we're in a situation now where the decisions that each person makes at each

01:06:50.780 moment are of crucial import in a way that's not always true.

01:06:55.580 We're going to decide which way we're going to go in the next three or four years.

01:07:02.220 And there's lots of positive signs.

01:07:05.220 All the economic growth, for example, that I referred to, the fact that poverty is being

01:07:09.980 pushed back.

01:07:10.840 And there's about 300,000 people a day now being hooked to the power grid.

01:07:14.720 And there are a lot of really good things happening.

01:07:17.000 But there is this terrible polarization and this demand to return to a destructive tribalism.

01:07:23.340 And this ideological attempt led mostly by the universities, to my utter shame, to demolish

01:07:30.180 the patriarchy.

01:07:31.280 It's very, very dangerous.

01:07:33.160 And corporations are playing that game, too.

01:07:35.020 They're letting the fifth column diversity, equity, and inclusivity types in through the

01:07:40.700 HR backdoor, failing to see that generating an anti-capitalist fifth column within the confines

01:07:48.140 of your own organization is self-destructive in the extreme.

01:07:53.780 How do you...

01:07:54.880 I've watched interviews with you in mainstream media, and they always come with an intent,

01:08:02.040 with an agenda, it seems.

01:08:03.880 You approach these interviews without an agenda, and you're just trying to explain what you believe

01:08:08.920 based on their questions, and you always seem to win because you don't seem to have an

01:08:14.980 agenda.

01:08:15.460 Truth doesn't have an agenda.

01:08:18.280 Would you say that...

01:08:19.280 I have an agenda, which is to not say something stupid.

01:08:21.820 Yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:08:24.780 Do you believe the mainstream media has crossed the line from bias to activism?

01:08:30.560 And if so, what does that mean for the media?

01:08:33.860 Well, I think one of the things that might be happening is that we're in a transition period

01:08:39.100 from the mainstream media, print and television, let's say, most particularly, to online forms

01:08:45.920 of discussion.

01:08:47.020 And that's happening very rapidly.

01:08:48.500 And so it's killing the mainstream media.

01:08:51.200 And as they spiral towards their death, they become more polarized to draw attention to the

01:08:57.000 remaining resources.

01:08:57.860 And so they're driving polarization in the broader society in an attempt to stave off

01:09:04.100 their extinction, rather than adapting to the new media.

01:09:08.000 I'm not sure that's true, but that's what it looks like.

01:09:10.420 It looks like it might be happening to me, because we are in the midst of a technological

01:09:14.500 revolution in communication.

01:09:16.540 Yes.

01:09:17.440 I mean, YouTube alone now has something in the neighborhood of 2 billion people using it.

01:09:22.100 So it's, and YouTube allows the possibility of the spoken word to have the same distribution

01:09:28.800 as the written word, which is something unparalleled in human history.

01:09:32.880 So I think that part of what's happening is a secondary consequence of a technological revolution.

01:09:39.740 I don't think that the mainstream media's desperate attempts to use clickbait, let's say, to attract

01:09:48.100 additional viewership to exaggerate, for example, the danger of violent crime, and to pit the

01:09:54.540 right against the left in a manner that's more combative than the reality would indicate.

01:10:01.260 I don't think that that will stave off their demise.

01:10:03.420 I think it will accelerate it.

01:10:05.640 But there could be a lot of collateral damage while that's occurring.

01:10:09.000 Jordan Peterson from JordanPeterson.com, also the book 12 Rules for Life, an Antidote to Chaos.

01:10:21.160 Did you ever, you have, you have, like, you're approaching a million YouTube subscribers, a

01:10:26.260 number one New York Times bestseller.

01:10:29.180 Did you ever see this?

01:10:30.020 I don't think I'm on the New York Times.

01:10:31.680 They didn't list me.

01:10:33.360 Shut up.

01:10:34.640 No, it's true.

01:10:35.260 It's Amazon.

01:10:35.800 Well, you're number one.

01:10:37.240 Yes, I'm number one everywhere, but on the New York Times bestseller.

01:10:41.900 Unbelievable.

01:10:42.920 Unbelievable.

01:10:43.440 It is rather remarkable.

01:10:44.880 Yeah.

01:10:45.880 Jordan, did you ever, did you ever see anything like this coming your way?

01:10:51.020 Well, I knew when I wrote my first book, this book Maps of Meaning, I was discussing archetypal

01:10:55.980 ideas and their relationship to ideological dispute.

01:11:00.420 And I knew that was important.

01:11:01.980 And I knew that my students in the course I taught on that book were very, very receptive

01:11:07.280 to the course.

01:11:08.220 I mean, most of the student comments I got, both at Harvard and at University of Toronto,

01:11:12.740 was that that was one of the few courses that completely changed students' lives.

01:11:18.240 And it's not surprising to me that to some degree, because of the ideas themselves, ancient

01:11:23.080 archetypal religious ideas are of absolute necessity.

01:11:27.540 People can't live without them.

01:11:28.800 And so I knew that I was talking about things that have always been of crucial importance

01:11:33.820 to people, but there was no way of foreseeing the magnitude of the effect of that.

01:11:40.500 I mean, it's, I'm still in complete shock about it on a moment-to-moment basis.

01:11:46.320 Well, we, uh...

01:11:47.840 And it seems to be getting larger rather than smaller.

01:11:50.880 Oh, yeah.

01:11:51.420 You have a lot of runway yet ahead of you.

01:11:54.880 I pray for you, and I know what it's like to have great success come quickly.

01:12:01.800 And if there was anyone who could navigate those waters, I believe it is you.

01:12:07.180 And we wish you all the best.

01:12:09.260 Thank you.

01:12:09.940 Thank you.

01:12:10.420 Well, like I said, I hope I can manage this without making any catastrophic mistakes.

01:12:15.900 And so, so far, so good.

01:12:17.720 Yeah.

01:12:18.020 Doc on wood and all that.

01:12:19.480 Yeah.

01:12:20.200 Thank you so much.

01:12:21.220 Jordan, Jordan, Jordan Peterson.

01:12:23.000 You can get Jordan on Twitter at JordanBPeterson.

01:12:32.060 JordanBPeterson.com is where, by the way, that reading list he mentioned earlier in the interview,

01:12:37.120 you can find that there.

01:12:38.520 And I would say probably at the top of that reading list would be 12 Rules for Life,

01:12:42.260 An Antidote to Chaos by Jordan Peterson.

01:12:45.420 You know, it's amazing.

01:12:46.360 I don't think I've ever interviewed a more careful man.

01:12:49.160 One of his rules is speak with preciseness.

01:12:54.580 And you can hear it.

01:12:57.340 He speaks slowly to not make any errors.

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01:14:24.660 Who'd you bring, Stu?

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01:14:26.720 He's coming up next hour.

01:14:28.340 He's a political science guy.

01:14:31.020 Yeah, wrote an amazing article about something you've been talking about for a while on AI

01:14:36.180 and how it's going to change the way we get information that you're not going to believe.

01:14:39.800 The information apocalypse?

01:14:41.240 Yes.

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01:15:02.740 Truth.

01:15:04.460 Glenn Beck.

01:15:05.980 Every once in a while, we need to take a step back.

01:15:07.800 Everybody right now is screaming, fake news, fake news.

01:15:10.540 Both sides are doing it.

01:15:11.840 And in some ways, both sides are right.

01:15:14.360 We're getting to a place that soon you're not going to be able to believe your eyes and

01:15:21.160 ears.

01:15:21.900 And people don't really realize this.

01:15:24.460 There's a guy who his name is Aviv Ovidaya.

01:15:28.140 He predicted the fake news explosion.

01:15:33.020 And now he's saying, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:35.600 But that's just the beginning.

01:15:37.600 That's nothing compared to what's on the recent or near horizon.

01:15:43.780 Yeah.

01:15:45.480 Infopocalypse, potentially.

01:15:47.640 And there's a great story about this in BuzzFeed from Charlie Warzel.

01:15:51.560 It's a story about what's coming next.

01:15:53.720 Charlie Warzel is a reporter for BuzzFeed.

01:15:55.220 Also writes something, one of my favorite things to read, which because it's about Infowars

01:15:59.680 and sort of that conspiracy media.

01:16:02.000 And his last name is Warzel.

01:16:04.020 It's called Infowarzel, which is the greatest name of all time.

01:16:07.200 It's a newsletter.

01:16:07.860 And it's really worth your attention as well.

01:16:09.960 He joins us now from Montana.

01:16:12.260 Charlie, is that where you are?

01:16:13.780 That's right.

01:16:14.440 Missoula, Montana.

01:16:15.420 Thanks for having me.

01:16:16.240 You bet.

01:16:16.600 So, Charlie, I can't seem to get people to really get their arms around the idea that

01:16:27.320 soon we're not going to even know what reality is.

01:16:31.540 And we don't we won't care.

01:16:33.340 Well, it's it's complicated to some extent, but the best way that that I can describe it

01:16:42.880 is that the sort of hall of mirrors that we are experiencing online right now with the

01:16:49.940 as you guys were saying earlier, everyone sort of calling fake news with with sort of bad

01:16:56.720 actors acting in bad faith, putting out, you know, propaganda and content that's designed

01:17:02.440 to manipulate that isn't true.

01:17:05.100 All those things that we see, you know, in our Facebook feeds, in Twitter right now, it's all going to

01:17:13.060 potentially get far worse because the technology is going to allow it to come from people that

01:17:20.020 perhaps we know.

01:17:21.260 So the, you know, the the fake news that you're seeing, the misinformation, the propaganda,

01:17:27.540 it could start coming from, you know, a loved one.

01:17:31.840 You know, you could start getting emails from them telling you things that that didn't happen

01:17:36.400 that were, you know, generated algorithmically.

01:17:38.960 So so it's not really that that something new is going to happen.

01:17:43.120 It's that everything that's happening now, all this unrest, discord, confusion and and

01:17:49.500 difficulty sort of parsing reality is going to become so much more sophisticated because

01:17:56.200 of technology that hasn't even been invented yet.

01:17:59.000 What do you mean that you're going to get, you know, you'll get something from your loved

01:18:02.500 ones?

01:18:03.700 Sure.

01:18:04.020 So Aviv, the researcher who I spoke with, alongside many others who are doing, you know,

01:18:12.320 really great work sort of understanding how these platforms work and the technology that's

01:18:17.680 on the horizon.

01:18:19.100 Aviv has this this term and it's called laser phishing.

01:18:24.660 So regular phishing or spear phishing is when you maybe get a link from something that, you

01:18:30.520 know, an email address, that's a couple of characters off from somebody, you know, and

01:18:34.880 it's saying, hey, click this link and it and then that link asks you for, you know, your

01:18:38.860 password information.

01:18:40.120 It's sort of a classic hacker trick.

01:18:42.240 It's pretty low tech.

01:18:44.180 This would sort of be something that would happen.

01:18:48.040 Laser phishing is using AI and sort of this artificial intelligence and machine learning

01:18:54.580 to understand things about you, understand the people that you talk to, the conversations

01:18:59.880 you've had across social media with other people, mine all that information and then

01:19:05.780 use it to manipulate you.

01:19:07.400 So instead of getting an email from someone who, who's, you know, sounds like they could

01:19:12.980 be someone, you know, the email is going to come from ostensibly someone, you know, and

01:19:17.120 it's going to have information that's pertinent to you, information you were perhaps expecting

01:19:21.480 to hear from.

01:19:23.260 So you're going to be so much more likely to believe this information and then offer

01:19:29.840 things up.

01:19:30.480 If you, you know, there's a lot of people, Nigerian princes on the internet for money,

01:19:35.460 but what if that person is your brother and your brother, you know, says he has had a car

01:19:40.960 accident and he's stuck and needs to, you know, repair his car because you were having a

01:19:44.920 conversation about, you know, cars and, uh, and money or something like that along the

01:19:50.040 lines. So this is being able to manipulate people at the click of a, uh, you know, a mouse

01:19:57.180 or a button, um, in this algorithm, in this, uh, you know, artificial intelligence way.

01:20:02.960 And I think that, uh, I think that we're, we're falling for, for the low tech lo-fi stuff

01:20:08.100 right now. So it's going to be hard to imagine, you know, how we can get up to speed on, on

01:20:12.380 the other stuff.

01:20:13.160 And the future of this, Charlie's is, goes even further than just say an email. It could

01:20:16.980 be audio or video coming from the people that you know, convincing you to do something that

01:20:23.560 winds up completely burning you.

01:20:25.680 Absolutely. And I think you can see this, you know, not just in people asking for money

01:20:30.500 or, you know, asking you for information, but, um, you know, this can be, this can be used

01:20:35.180 to manipulate, um, government and, and, and diplomacy. Um, it's not hard to envision and many

01:20:41.940 people have sort of already been talking about this, but it's not hard to envision. Um, any

01:20:47.200 lawmaker has hundreds of hours of footage of themselves, either audio or video on, on

01:20:52.100 the internet. Um, machine learning programs can take that, can absorb it. And then what

01:20:59.160 they can, what they can do with that is, is produce very hard, hard to verify and, and

01:21:05.640 real looking video of people saying anything. So, you know, you could have a video of Donald

01:21:11.100 Trump potentially down the line, um, really antagonizing in, in, in an, in an aggressive

01:21:16.720 way, um, say in North, North Korea. Um, and, and the stakes of that get higher and higher

01:21:23.020 as you know, the reaction times are, are shorter and, and, and people have to respond. So you

01:21:29.480 could really escalate, you know, political, uh, and, and, you know, diplomatic tensions, uh,

01:21:36.500 using this kind of technology. So I was, uh, I was talking about this, um, at the beginning

01:21:41.280 of the year and, uh, I laid out just some, some crazy predictions. And, and one of them

01:21:45.380 was if not this, uh, election of 2018 by 2020, this will be used in an effective way. And we

01:21:54.840 may not know about it until after the election, but we are that close to this kind of stuff,

01:22:00.060 uh, being used. Would you agree with that? Well, I think, you know, with the, with the

01:22:05.680 artificial intelligence stuff, with the, um, you know, the video and audio manipulation,

01:22:10.320 we may be a little further down the line from that because the real worry is not just that,

01:22:14.920 um, you know, some incredibly sophisticated programmer, one-off type person's going to be

01:22:20.560 able to use this who has, you know, proprietary technology. The real thing is when it becomes

01:22:25.580 democratized when, you know, when you can manipulate when anyone with, you know, two or

01:22:30.660 three hours of, of, you know, research on the internet can, can do this. Um, and that I think

01:22:36.780 we're a little bit further off, but not too far. There are some, um, some forums. There's a forum

01:22:42.900 on the, uh, site Reddit, um, which is called deep fakes. And it is where people are manipulating,

01:22:49.680 uh, video right now. Some of it is, is awful. Some of it is, you know, is pornographic and,

01:22:55.580 and, and very disturbing, but others are just, you can go and look for yourself are funny. You

01:23:01.400 know, people, um, putting Nicolas Cage's face on Arnold Schwarzenegger. And it, and it, and it,

01:23:07.220 I don't know why Nicolas Cage gets is, is this guy, but he's on all his face is almost on

01:23:13.260 everybody. He, he's an internet, uh, sensation. Yeah, he is. But, but, but, you know, it speaks

01:23:19.580 to when people are kind of playing around with this, having fun with it, uh, doing it in their

01:23:23.820 spare time because it's entertaining. That is sort of a harbinger of something that's

01:23:29.140 very scary, which is that, you know, you could, uh, in, in two or three hours, figure out how

01:23:35.840 to do this yourself. I think we're a little bit further than, than, than I think, you

01:23:41.020 know, 2020, who knows, but it's definitely coming.

01:23:43.780 I hope you're right. Um, tell me a little bit about what Aviv, uh, talks about and describes

01:23:49.380 as reality apathy. Sure. Um, I, it's basically the, uh, the combination of all of this, uh,

01:23:56.880 that would, that we're talking about, which is these sophisticated technological tools to

01:24:03.060 sort of distort what's real and what's not to the point where you become overwhelmed by,

01:24:09.900 you know, the idea of all, say you're being laser fished by, you know, 20 people. And when

01:24:16.320 you go on line and try to click a news link, you're not sure where the source is coming

01:24:20.340 from, whether it's, whether it's something you can trust, whether it's something you're

01:24:23.300 not, you're just besieged by what you believe is misinformation, but you can't even tell.

01:24:29.800 So you start to disengage. You know, if you're, if your inbox is something where you don't,

01:24:33.840 you, where you, you don't know what you're getting, what's real or what's not, you're

01:24:38.500 gonna maybe give up. And that is sort of the, um, that, that works also with, um, with

01:24:45.140 diplomacy. If people start, um, you know, spoofing, uh, calls to Congress to lobby their lawmakers

01:24:52.360 about some, you know, political issue, uh, if that happens in a, in a spoof, spoofing way

01:24:59.160 so much that people can't, um, get through on the, on the lines, they're going to stop

01:25:04.360 participating in, in, in democracy in that particular way. They might, you know, stop going

01:25:09.640 online and sharing their own opinions or feel, uh, unsafe. They might just say, you know what,

01:25:14.420 the news, it's not worth it for me, but going the other, but that's scary, but going the

01:25:18.880 other way as well, if, if you see a bunch of stuff that is fake and you don't know what

01:25:26.040 to believe, uh, somebody in power could actually be doing some really bad stuff and nobody would

01:25:32.060 know, nobody would pay attention. They'd say, well, that's just fake because that's what

01:25:35.560 the politician would say. Yeah. I mean, an informed citizenry is a, is a cornerstone of,

01:25:41.800 of, of democracy. And so how do we inform ourselves going forward? How, who is standing

01:25:49.560 against this? How do we protect? I mean, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. What

01:25:53.880 do we do? Well, I think, you know, this is why I wanted to highlight, uh, Aviv's work

01:26:00.940 and, and, you know, I, he's becoming labeled as sort of the person who called the, you know,

01:26:06.200 the misinformation fake news crisis before, uh, before it became a thing. He's one of

01:26:12.440 many. There are, there are, you know, dozens of, of researchers like this who are lobbying

01:26:18.120 tech companies thinking about this on sort of, you know, the vanguard of this, of this movement.

01:26:23.120 And, and I think, you know, journalists, news organizations highlighting these people's

01:26:28.420 work, giving them a platform to talk about this is the first step. The second step is

01:26:33.520 really, you know, putting pressure on these technology companies and not just Facebook

01:26:39.540 or Google or Twitter, but that, you know, the hardware makers, people like Adobe who people

01:26:45.040 like, you know, potentially Apple companies that are starting, that are going to be making

01:26:49.140 this, this audio visual technology, um, and, and making them sort of understand that innovation

01:26:57.280 is okay, but we have to learn our lessons from, you know, this whole fake news situation that

01:27:05.040 we're dealing with right now and build this technology responsibly with all of these sort

01:27:09.620 of externalities baked in and understand what we can, that these things can be abused. So let's

01:27:15.940 put in the safeguards now instead of later. I think you could see it, you know, tech companies

01:27:21.540 at times, uh, be a little bit absorbed by self-interest, but they're not nefarious actors,

01:27:27.200 right? My, my issue with this is that when I try to find optimism in, in the future here,

01:27:32.720 Charlie, is that, you know, eventually, you know, state actors, uh, hacker groups, someone

01:27:39.400 with actual nefarious intent that you can't go and lobby and you can't have, you don't have

01:27:44.220 people with, with ethics trying to deal with are going to get control of this stuff and

01:27:48.100 do things that can be really harmful and maybe irreversible.

01:27:52.280 I think, I mean, that, I think that that is, is potentially true. I mean, all of this,

01:27:58.560 it's difficult because, you know, we're in speculation territory. It's difficult as a journalist,

01:28:02.700 you know, writing about this without, um, going too far or scaring people too much. Um, but

01:28:09.400 I mean, I think what this, what the last 18 months of sort of, you know, information crisis

01:28:16.540 world that we're in should be teaching us right now is that this is everyone's problem. Lawmakers,

01:28:24.040 you know, need to get smart on this stuff quick. They need to, you know, be putting pressure on

01:28:31.240 and I think they need to spend time, you know, really understanding this technology themselves

01:28:39.480 and getting the government ready. There's, there's not a lot of, you know, um, task forces here to

01:28:45.940 combat, uh, computational propaganda or misinformation. Charlie, look how we're dealing

01:28:52.020 with Russia. Nobody's, everybody's talking about, oh, well, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton,

01:28:56.400 Russia, look at what Russia is doing. We can get to the rest of that. And, you know, if,

01:29:02.860 if somebody did something, they should go to jail, but we're missing the point that Russia has come in

01:29:09.400 and, and, and, and announced in advance what they were going to do. And they did it.

01:29:16.780 I think that state sponsored actors, all of this, you know,

01:29:22.800 it's clearly manipulatable by them. And, and I think that we, I think that that's certainly one,

01:29:31.720 one piece of the puzzle. I think that, I think that this technology, we've, we spent so long

01:29:38.300 thinking that this technology is, is a, a universal positive, um, that there's no negative externalities

01:29:44.740 to connecting the world. Um, and I think that that is, you know, that that's a naive look at this.

01:29:51.800 And I think that we need to sort of change the way that, that we message about this technology,

01:29:58.500 that it's just as much a force for, um, for evil potentially as it is a force for, for good and,

01:30:06.420 uh, and for, you know, the free circulation of information. Uh, so I think that some of it just

01:30:11.300 has to do with our mindset with this. This is, you know, a new innovation is not, uh, is not good

01:30:17.020 just by, by definition. Right. You have to, you have to earn that. Charlie, I, uh, I've been

01:30:22.200 concerned about this, uh, for a very long time and I'm, I was really glad to see your article,

01:30:28.180 um, and, and, uh, the fact that it was on Buzzfeed and, and, and people are reading it. Uh, and I'd love

01:30:34.980 to stay in touch with you and, and have you on the program again as we, as we follow this story.

01:30:39.640 Thank you very much, Charlie. Thanks for having me.

01:30:44.380 Leave you with one last quote from Aviv Ovidaya, the expert Charlie talked to.

01:30:48.500 Alarmism can be good. You should be alarmist about this stuff. We are so screwed. It's beyond what

01:30:53.960 most of us can imagine. Jeez, it's scary. Charlie, uh, Warzel, this will tweet it from at world of

01:31:01.620 stew, but he's at C Warzel on Twitter and you can get his, uh, work at Buzzfeed. Uh, it's,

01:31:07.360 it's really interesting stuff. He dives into a lot of weird worlds and it's really compelling.

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01:33:02.280 I, I find it very difficult to find a path to optimism with that stuff because as I kind of

01:33:08.220 expressed to him, it's like, you know, I think we actually, I have a lot of faith in capitalism,

01:33:11.900 right? Where eventually these companies I think will try, I think we will find in our best interest,

01:33:18.140 a lot of things that will push them in the right directions with it over time. I have a much

01:33:23.880 different, uh, belief when it comes to, you know, negative actors, when it comes to terrorism, when

01:33:29.380 it comes to, uh, nation states, eventually somebody gets control of this and the information's so

01:33:35.060 powerful. Whoever can pull off that first really good fake of that politician saying that thing they

01:33:39.820 didn't say is going to be really devastating. And it's going to be, I mean, can you imagine if

01:33:43.280 someone came out like if, if, uh, you know, Anthony Weiner came out, right? And I mean,

01:33:48.420 he tried it. He said, Oh, that was just a hack. It was just a hack. Nobody believed him. Nobody

01:33:53.340 believed him. And imagine if they had him on video and, and it was lengthy and perfect. And they

01:33:59.740 hit it. Oh no, that's been hacked. That's not really me. Nobody's going to believe them.

01:34:03.660 And the first time for a while, for a while, for a few of them. And eventually we'll get to a

01:34:08.400 point where, Oh my gosh, this is happening. And then nobody believes anything, which might be

01:34:11.400 worse. Yeah. Then it's the, I mean, can you believe Stu, we're here back in the nineties

01:34:16.860 over 20 years ago? Yeah. You and I were talking and I said, there's going to come a time where

01:34:21.780 digitally you'll be able to manipulate anything. You won't believe your ears. You won't believe

01:34:26.420 your eyes. And we're here. Yeah. We're here. We're here right at the very beginning of it.

01:34:31.400 I mean, there's so many great things. We just have to weather this storm. Um, you know,

01:34:37.640 Ray Kurzweil, who has almost a 90% accuracy rate of his prediction since the 1970s. Um, he

01:34:46.280 believes that quote, all disease will be cured by 2030. Wow. All disease. We have such a bright

01:34:57.520 future that we are right on top of if we don't destroy ourselves first.

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01:35:48.260 Beginning next week, we're going to start taking you through all of those, uh, arguments and, um,

01:35:52.780 and really preparing you for what is going to be that March. Uh, that's when everybody is going to

01:35:59.120 be talking about this again. And we need to be prepared with the rock solid, uh, arguments. So

01:36:06.640 we're going to be going over those beginning on Monday on this program. Welcome to Pat Gray.

01:36:12.360 Pat, we've been, we've been on the air while, uh, Donald Trump, uh, gave his speech. We have, uh,

01:36:17.400 selections from, uh, from Donald Trump where he was talking about, you know, I have proven I'm a

01:36:22.880 conservative. I have cut taxes and I have done a great job on, uh, judges, which he has. There's

01:36:30.260 a real legacy, uh, to Donald Trump on judges that I don't think people are really talking about

01:36:35.740 what, what he has done on judges, not just Gorsuch. Yeah. That one pretty much universally

01:36:40.620 praised by conservatives more than any other part of his agenda. I would say. And he, and you know,

01:36:45.040 he's out of the way of whoever is making the calls on the judges. And these are the, this is

01:36:51.760 game changing, um, the calls that he's made on, uh, on the judges. What else did he talk about?

01:36:58.740 While I was listening, he was talking about, uh, trade, the trade deficit, and we are $500

01:37:04.260 billion in, uh, deficit to China. We are a hundred billion dollars, uh, in deficit to Mexico and it's

01:37:11.980 unacceptable. And all those things are going to be redone. NAFTA it's going away. Uh, it's going

01:37:17.580 away. He's back on that. Cause he was talking about it staying for a while. He's not, he didn't

01:37:21.920 seem to be on that track right now. And the world trade organization, which created China,

01:37:27.560 he says, uh, as soon as the WTO was created, China went like a rocket ship to the top. And so that's

01:37:33.540 going to be redone. We're going to get out of that. We're going to, we're going to redo all these

01:37:36.780 things. If they won't come to an agreement, we're going to redo them all. Then we'll start over

01:37:39.920 again. You think that's negotiation or cause he hasn't really done much of that yet. I don't

01:37:44.560 think, I just think that's the part of his agenda. He hadn't gotten to yet. And I think now that's

01:37:48.580 the part he cares about. Yeah. Oh, he cares about that. Talks about it all the time. Yeah. And so I

01:37:53.560 think this is the year he gets to it cause he got to some of the other things and you know, they got

01:37:57.960 the tax, uh, cut done. Uh, they couldn't get Obamacare eliminated. Although he said we're doing it

01:38:04.620 piecemeal and maybe that's the better way they did get rid of the biggest offense. I would say the

01:38:09.820 individual mandate, which is, which is what he said that they've essentially gutted and

01:38:13.980 eliminated. Oh, I mean, we all talked about that, that you got to get rid of the mandate. And if

01:38:18.100 you have, if you get rid of the mandate, then the whole thing collapses. Yeah. Unfortunately,

01:38:21.800 it was a different scenario when we were talking about that eight years ago. Uh, now, you know,

01:38:27.240 you don't necessarily want that just to fall apart and collapse on you without something for it to

01:38:32.540 fall into like the free market system. Though the mandate is what separates Obamacare from your

01:38:37.620 typical bad program and something that is absolutely unconstitutional and is an embarrassment that it

01:38:43.700 was enacted. The fact that they got rid of the mandate does, does change that. I think it's a

01:38:48.780 big, it's a move in the right direction, no matter what happens to Obamacare. Cause we have a lot of

01:38:52.300 crap heap programs where we spend a lot of tax dollars to do nothing. I mean, we got a lot of

01:38:55.760 that. There's a million of those. And, and you know, those have been around for a while. The mandate

01:39:00.440 forcing people to purchase a product is so ridiculously unconstitutional, uh, that I'm,

01:39:07.720 I'm, I'm very happy that that is gone. I will say. And that was a big part of it. He also was

01:39:12.240 a little self-deprecating, um, which is not, I didn't hear that part. Yeah. This is a Donald

01:39:16.400 Trump talking about his bald spot. That is, this is amazing for him. Wow. That's the first time I've

01:39:35.040 ever heard him mention a bald spot. Uh, I mean, that's self-deprecating that kind of stuff makes

01:39:42.120 him more likable. No question about it. Yeah. It shows he's, you know, he doesn't take himself

01:39:47.120 too seriously. He's human. Yeah. He's human. Yeah. I guess now, you know, people are speculating that

01:39:52.980 he just finally came out and said this cause he's been asked about this for years. People grabbed

01:39:57.980 his hair in interviews. I mean, it's been, why was CPAC the place where he, I don't, the only thing I've

01:40:02.680 heard, I've been, you know, the speculation is because of that video that came out a few, a couple

01:40:07.580 weeks ago, which I did not believe it first. I haven't seen the video. You haven't seen the video.

01:40:11.760 You haven't seen the video? I don't think so. Oh, you've got to see that. Of a bald spot?

01:40:14.540 Yeah. Yeah. Look at, just, just Google, just Google Trump's bald spot. You won't believe it.

01:40:19.500 It looks like, I didn't believe it. Yeah. We thought it was fake initially. It looks like

01:40:23.620 the Phantom of the Opera. He's walking up the steps. He had to say it then, right? I mean,

01:40:28.420 that's why he kind of had to. I, well, you know, I, I, look, he, his, there's a lot of times people

01:40:33.400 say to Donald Trump, you got to say this, you got to say this, and he doesn't do it. True. And so for him to

01:40:37.340 take a step kind of in a self-deprecating manner, um, I think is a really good step. It's, it makes

01:40:42.840 him more human, you know, definitely makes him more likable. Yeah. And definitely does. So the

01:40:47.280 video, if you haven't seen it is him walking up the steps of, uh, air force one, right? And you

01:40:52.240 know, the wind is, it's on a tarmac, so it's very windy and, and a flap opens up on the back

01:40:57.300 of his head. Oh no, really? Oh my gosh. Yeah. Have you not found it? Not yet. Oh, you have to see,

01:41:02.640 I want to see your, hear your reaction. It is, it's like, it's, it's amazing. I thought

01:41:11.460 it was fake because it's so bad the way it looks. It's so bad, but he seemingly handled

01:41:17.400 it pretty well. Handled it graciously in the moment, which is odd again, really good. Yeah.

01:41:23.900 It might, maybe he's grown into this job. That would be nice. Well, he's had a good week,

01:41:28.700 man. His, I mean, his, his, his, uh, deal with the guns was much better than the CNN

01:41:34.220 version of the conversation. I mean, that was, that was the way the media betrays all Trump

01:41:40.100 rallies. Yeah, exactly. They had switched and he did a good job with that. He was being

01:41:44.260 presidential. It'll be interesting to see. I mean, cause he's, he's taking, or he's signaling

01:41:48.700 steps that I don't agree with when it comes to the second amendment. Uh, and I'm concerned

01:41:55.040 about that. Um, but he hasn't done them yet. We'll see kind of what, where that goes. I

01:41:59.760 think, you know, right now the Republican Congress, which many of them are completely spineless,

01:42:05.180 right? Are sitting back and say, and looking for permission to vote for anti second amendment

01:42:10.440 legislation. They want to be able to say to people, look, we took this seriously and the

01:42:14.660 information changed and we're, we're going at, we, we, we have, it's common sense. We had

01:42:18.320 to do it. And the only way they'll be able to justify that to their constituency is if

01:42:23.380 Trump gives them permission. If Trump comes out and supports those things, then they'll

01:42:27.060 all fall in line. I think the same thing goes, if he opposes them, they'll all oppose them.

01:42:32.140 I mean, he really does lead, lead the leash. Yeah. Well, I mean, it, I mean, let me, let

01:42:37.300 me play something. Let me play, um, Cuomo, uh, versus Charles Cook, Charles Cook, who is

01:42:43.200 great. He's on this network from time to time. And he was part of the real news. Um, uh, he's

01:42:49.120 just a great thinker. Now listen to him and he's clear with logic. He's doing math. Cuomo

01:42:57.600 is doing common core math. Listen to this. I don't understand why there'd be resistance to,

01:43:03.380 you know, especially for lawful, lawful people. Why wouldn't you have all sales applicable to a

01:43:10.760 bound background check? Well, the first argument, and I think this is always a good thing to remember

01:43:15.660 when government gets involved, whether it's the war on terror or, or drugs is that, as I say,

01:43:20.020 there isn't a great deal of evidence that it works, uh, or that sheriffs prioritize it in,

01:43:24.720 in states that have them. Um, the second reason is that, uh, if acid has been suggested thus far,

01:43:31.100 it would effectively create a gun registry. Um, and gun registries are opposed, I think,

01:43:36.100 for good reason by, uh, those who have, uh, an interest. But you already have it for the majority

01:43:40.600 of sales. This would just be making it in all transactions. Why create a loophole when you don't need

01:43:45.080 one? It's practical impact is something to consider, but as a prophylactic device,

01:43:49.620 I just don't understand a good art, a good argument against it. Well, I think, as I say,

01:43:53.820 a good argument against it is that recent studies conducted, it should be said by gun control

01:43:58.300 advocates and written up by gun control advocates have conceded that there doesn't seem to be much

01:44:02.520 evidence that it does anything. And if we're trying to improve, uh, the situation on the ground

01:44:07.380 here, then that doesn't seem to listen to this logic from Chris. Well, and the argument for it would be,

01:44:11.980 you might as well try whatever you can because you have so many guns getting into the wrong sets

01:44:16.460 of hands. But Charles, this is, yeah, go ahead. Make your final point. Well, I think that you see,

01:44:21.380 I think that's where we have to be careful here because there is this argument in the aftermath

01:44:26.540 of mass shootings. And we saw a lot of it last night. And what I thought was an unhelpful town hall

01:44:31.040 held at the wrong time. Um, we see a lot of this argument, you have to do something, but of course,

01:44:36.780 we don't all agree. We need to do anything there at Marco Rubio came out last night against the idea

01:44:41.220 of say arming teachers. Now it wouldn't be a particularly convincing response to say, well,

01:44:45.540 why doesn't he just want to do something? He did say he wouldn't do certain things.

01:44:50.120 Yeah. No, I agree. But, but, but just saying, well, why don't we just do something? Why don't

01:44:54.140 we try that? There's nothing to lose. It's not a standard we apply across the board. No,

01:44:57.940 no, that's understood. Not arbitrary things. Absolutely. There has to be a reasonable

01:45:02.180 understanding. No, but look, Charles, what I'm saying, we agree. You should do things that are

01:45:07.200 calculated to make a real difference. You should base it on debate and data and research in the

01:45:12.660 area. There's no question about that. There's no reason just to throw, throw out any kind of

01:45:16.800 solution that won't work. But look, at the end of the day, it's a debate worth having. We need all

01:45:21.120 sides. And I appreciate you being here. Take it easy. You didn't say anything. You just lost the

01:45:27.300 argument. You just lost the argument. We agree. We need to make sure that we're looking at

01:45:31.760 research and data. Right. I just told you the research and data says it does nothing.

01:45:38.160 Right. But in the end, you know, he wanted to say, but in the end, we do need to do something.

01:45:43.260 Right. And by the way, that something is the thing I want. Yeah. No other thing, because there's lots

01:45:48.960 of other things out there that I don't think we should do to do something. But the thing I want

01:45:52.480 to do should be the something we should do. And I have to tell you, Charles, his response is,

01:45:57.120 well, you know, the president said armed teachers. That's doing something. Yeah. And you could see

01:46:06.360 Cuomo like immediately his body language. It just shifted to dismiss. Well, army teachers. Well,

01:46:11.840 that's just stupid. Well, wait, why don't we just try it? Let's just do something.

01:46:17.520 Yeah. What the heck?

01:46:24.840 Pat Gray Unleashed coming up on the Blaze Radio and TV Network just a moment. Well, we think the

01:46:29.020 thing that you're suggesting is stupid. That's why we're dismissing it. You know, it's interesting. I

01:46:33.540 keep hearing this about the teachers and arming the teachers. And I'm not saying it's my top policy

01:46:38.280 prescription for this. But stop for a second. We keep hearing these same things come out of people's

01:46:44.560 mouths, even from teachers. They're like, I mean, I'm teaching algebra. I don't want to be

01:46:47.660 I don't want to be defending kids. I don't be pointing a Smith and Wesson while I'm teaching

01:46:55.360 algebra. You're not gonna be pointing it when you're teaching algebra. You're gonna be pointing

01:46:59.160 it when an active shooter is at your door. Correct. The same thing with the security situation with

01:47:05.600 the deputy. Yeah. He's out there and they're like, this proves that security at schools won't

01:47:11.680 work. The guy just stood outside and didn't do anything. Well, first of all, yes, it is a

01:47:16.140 requirement of the policy for the guy to go inside. Yes, granted. But again, take everybody

01:47:22.960 in that situation. You're a minute and a half into that. You have a choice to make. Would you

01:47:27.080 rather have a security personnel that's armed walking up to the building who may or may not

01:47:34.020 come inside? Or would you rather have nobody? Yeah. Nobody with guns inside. Nobody with guns.

01:47:40.160 Let me just say this. Why did we not have a problem when the airlines trained everyone

01:47:48.340 on the flight deck to use a gun after 9-11? Remember that? We were gonna have our pilots

01:47:56.600 have guns. Yep. And we had our Navy SEALs and all of the experts go in and train the people

01:48:03.980 on the flight deck how to use a gun. Then we hardened the door. Air marshals as well. And

01:48:11.400 we put air marshals in. Somebody on the plane with a gun. Well, you don't want a shootout

01:48:16.420 in an airplane. Yeah. Yeah. If it means we're all gonna die or he dies, yeah, I'm gonna go

01:48:22.780 for the shootout in the airplane. What you really don't want is a one-person shootout.

01:48:28.160 Those shootouts suck. Right. Because there's nothing you can do about it. Right. When one

01:48:32.100 person starts shooting, you want a two- or three- or four-person shootout. You want bullets

01:48:37.880 flying both ways once they start flying one way. Doesn't seem to be a problem to arm our

01:48:44.160 pilots. Why is it a problem to arm and train some teachers? I don't see a problem with it,

01:48:52.600 but they may not. Look, it's not going to solve every one of these things. No, it didn't like

01:48:56.380 security on premises. That was our problem. Everything worked when it came to this shooting

01:49:01.300 as far as security goes until the guy stayed outside. And maybe sometimes people will fail.

01:49:06.420 These are impossible situations to predict how you're going to act. But I mean, don't you want

01:49:11.820 the possibility of success? They're rejecting the possibility of success for the possibility of

01:49:17.920 failure. I would just like to say that the failure is not just on Scott Peterson, the sheriff's deputy.

01:49:24.680 Oh, no, no, no. But on the sheriff himself and whoever is training to not see this as a problem.

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'A New Person To Hate？' (Dr. Jordan Peterson & Charlie Warzel) - 2⧸23⧸18

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