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00:01:00.920 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:01:04.660 Well, hello, America.

00:01:07.180 There's a lot on our plate today.

00:01:08.920 We have Daniel Hannon coming up in just a few minutes.

00:01:12.440 Daniel Hannon is a member of the European Union.

00:01:17.660 Not a happy member.

00:01:19.160 Probably the best member of the European Union.

00:01:21.600 There was the Brexit vote yesterday.

00:01:24.460 It did not go well for Theresa May.

00:01:26.680 They're really kind of deciding whether or not she's even going to be the prime minister here soon.

00:01:32.720 I think this was kind of a setup for her.

00:01:35.200 It was all in the cards.

00:01:38.120 But now what happens?

00:01:39.820 Now what happens?

00:01:40.600 The diehard anti-Semitic socialist is the one who's pushing, it looks like, to be the next prime minister.

00:01:49.640 They've got a government kind of in shutdown now, not listening to the people.

00:01:55.900 We have the same thing.

00:01:58.080 We also have in Russia a homosexual genocide.

00:02:01.560 It's happening in Chechnya.

00:02:03.720 We have a member of the LGBT community, if you will, the network in Russia.

00:02:10.340 We can't even say their name on the air, release their identity, because they are afraid of being scooped up, tortured, and killed in Russia now.

00:02:21.440 It's very bad.

00:02:23.080 Are you hearing this from anybody on the left?

00:02:26.660 Why not?

00:02:28.260 Oh, and one more thing.

00:02:30.800 The Democratic Party has quit the Women's March after an explosive segment about Louis Farrakhan on The View.

00:02:38.560 Really?

00:02:40.540 That's why they quit?

00:02:42.600 No, that's not why they quit.

00:02:44.300 I'll tell you why as we begin the show in one minute.

00:02:50.620 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:02:52.420 So, both my daughters have been in the hospital for the last week, really.

00:03:00.080 Cheyenne went into the hospital on Saturday, and she had pain, and they're still trying to figure it out.

00:03:08.620 What's weird is she was on morphine.

00:03:10.480 Now, she's 12.

00:03:11.480 They put her on morphine.

00:03:12.600 I could not tell the difference between my daughter on morphine and my daughter off morphine.

00:03:18.040 Is that a problem?

00:03:18.920 She is always goofy and silly.

00:03:21.760 It was crazy.

00:03:23.160 I was like, you're going to give her the morphine?

00:03:25.040 She's like, oh, no, she's flying on morphine.

00:03:27.020 You can't tell?

00:03:27.780 And I'm like, no, she's always like this.

00:03:29.980 Anyway, you know, morphine's fun until you're, you know, dying from it.

00:03:41.500 We have such a bad opioid crisis in America.

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00:03:54.180 What are we doing for the opioid crisis?

00:03:56.140 You're more likely to die from an overdose of opioids than a car crash.

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00:04:04.700 I mean, absolutely.

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00:05:22.120 So let's see.

00:05:23.640 Here's here's the here's the story from places like the Huffington Post.

00:05:29.660 The Democratic National Committee is no longer sponsoring the annuals Women March.

00:05:34.840 It's set to play taste take place on Saturday in Washington, D.C.

00:05:41.580 The Women's March co-presidents Tamika Mallory and Bob Bland appeared on The View Monday,

00:05:48.360 where the show's co-host peppered them with questions about the organization.

00:05:52.700 Mallory's relationship with Farrakhan was put on the front burner in a heated segment,

00:05:56.380 where she refused to denounce him and said called him one of the greatest of all time

00:06:00.520 for what he's done in the black communities.

00:06:02.480 She repeated to refuse to contend to condemn Farrakhan's remarks about Jewish people and

00:06:09.320 others, even though being pressured to do so.

00:06:12.180 Women's March had been under scrutiny for allegations of anti-sexism, sexism and more.

00:06:17.960 As pointed out by the Daily Beast, the DNC was listed among the organization's sponsors

00:06:22.680 as recently as Sunday.

00:06:24.840 As of last night, they are no longer listed as a sponsor.

00:06:29.880 Although the DNC official declined to comment on the timing of the sponsorship withdrawal,

00:06:35.940 but said that it stands in solidarity with women.

00:06:40.880 The DNC stands in solidarity with all those fighting for women's rights,

00:06:44.320 holding the Trump administration, Republican lawmakers around the country accountable.

00:06:48.440 Women are on the front lines of fighting back, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:06:51.140 So, here's what really happened.

00:06:55.740 Last year, this was out.

00:06:59.680 Last year, we knew these things were going on.

00:07:02.220 We didn't really know the extent of it, and we have kind of a deep dive going into this

00:07:07.160 on, what day is today?

00:07:10.440 It's Wednesday, so tomorrow's show.

00:07:12.860 Tomorrow.

00:07:13.120 On the Women's March and the history of it, when it comes to anti-Semitism, which goes back

00:07:19.580 to literally the formational meeting, when they were actually together for the first time

00:07:25.240 discussing the idea of the Women's March, they were talking about the problems with Jews.

00:07:32.100 That is how deep this goes.

00:07:34.480 The problem with the Jews.

00:07:36.960 This goes back to my advice that I gave to Republicans back in about 2009.

00:07:45.300 I said, you have to be really careful who you're standing with, because there's going

00:07:48.860 to be a lot of people that you're standing with that will agree with a lot of the stuff

00:07:53.480 you agree with, but you're going to disagree with them on some pretty big fundamental issues.

00:08:00.040 Don't be hijacked.

00:08:01.980 All these women, they were upset about Donald Trump, or they were upset about a Republican

00:08:07.620 victory, or whatever it was, some of them valid reasons, some of them anti-Semite, anti-white,

00:08:16.380 yada, yada, yada.

00:08:17.680 You all came together.

00:08:19.540 It's like, look at how the right has split apart as soon as there's power.

00:08:29.820 The right splits apart, because it's easier to come together when you're against something,

00:08:36.040 but when you actually have to state you're for something, you've got to get down to specifics,

00:08:41.420 and you're like, okay, well, wait a minute, I'm not for that, and then it starts to break

00:08:46.460 apart somewhat.

00:08:48.240 You have to know that you have the same principles.

00:08:51.620 The DNC says they're standing in solidarity with those fighting for women's rights.

00:08:55.660 Well, you should probably get a little more specific.

00:09:01.180 This is what really happened.

00:09:02.880 It's had nothing to do with the view.

00:09:05.500 Other sponsors have not returned to this year's march, including the Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:09:12.760 When you don't have the Southern Poverty Law, when the Southern Poverty Law Center says,

00:09:17.260 you know what, this group on the left is a little extreme, that's saying something.

00:09:21.560 They don't have Emily's List, the Human Rights Campaign, they don't have NARAL,

00:09:28.580 they don't have the Center for American Progress or Amnesty International standing with them anymore.

00:09:34.160 If you're going to the Women's March this weekend, you're in a rapidly diminishing circle of people,

00:09:44.060 and you're kind of being left with some radicals.

00:09:49.880 The outlet reported fewer than half of the sponsors in 2018 have returned to support 2019.

00:09:57.860 This thing is over.

00:10:00.020 And it's not like the Tea Party.

00:10:03.240 The Tea Party didn't implode.

00:10:06.080 This is imploding.

00:10:09.020 I mean, it's over.

00:10:10.280 If the Democratic Party is bailing on it, it's no longer of use.

00:10:13.180 The only use of it in the first place, it had never, I shouldn't say it never had anything to do with women's rights,

00:10:19.520 because the first, you know, the actual founder of not the march, but the movement who just did it on Facebook, right?

00:10:27.860 Like it wasn't, she seems to be someone who...

00:10:30.980 She's been saying for a while, you got to get these people out of there.

00:10:33.920 She bailed out of the entire organization because she knew these people were bad in what they were doing.

00:10:38.200 And they wouldn't denounce Louis Farrakhan.

00:10:41.000 I mean, this is not a high hurdle to clear here.

00:10:43.720 We're not asking you for a really nuanced person to try...

00:10:46.760 Hey, you got to distance yourself from Nancy Pelosi.

00:10:49.360 No, this is Louis Farrakhan.

00:10:51.580 This is Louis Farrakhan.

00:10:51.960 And again, it's not just saying, well, look, I went to an event and he was there,

00:10:55.460 and I'm not going to trash the guy.

00:10:56.640 We were at the same event.

00:10:57.580 This is, I'm calling him the greatest of all time.

00:11:00.680 For what he's done in the black community, which is what exactly?

00:11:04.580 Convince them that Jews are bad?

00:11:06.660 What exactly has he done?

00:11:08.140 They should kill white people?

00:11:10.140 Whites are the devil?

00:11:11.740 What has he done?

00:11:14.120 He's done nothing except inject poison into an entire community for multiple decades.

00:11:19.700 So this is what's going to happen to the Democratic Party if they're not careful.

00:11:24.580 The Democratic Party has become so extreme that they are going to chase off all normal people.

00:11:32.300 Now, they've hit it pretty well.

00:11:34.560 These guys have been behind the scenes for a while.

00:11:37.860 All the people we talked about while we were at Fox, all those people, they've all been hidden.

00:11:42.860 They've all been washed.

00:11:43.860 But even the people that we thought were very dangerous at the time, those people are not radical enough.

00:11:55.260 And those people are on the outs.

00:11:58.320 They are eating their own.

00:12:00.780 And it is becoming a very vicious circle of people.

00:12:06.040 Very vicious.

00:12:07.420 And you're seeing it.

00:12:08.640 And if the Democratic Party is not careful, look at look at what Mayor Cuomo or Governor Cuomo is doing.

00:12:16.300 Right now, the press is talking about how crazy extreme Donald Trump is for saying that he wants law and order and a border wall.

00:12:28.080 Now, we have more people coming from Honduras.

00:12:30.240 I don't know if you heard this.

00:12:31.020 Another caravan is coming up from Honduras now.

00:12:33.560 Eight hundred people in this one.

00:12:35.220 They're saying that they're hoping that the president will change his mind by the time they get here.

00:12:40.620 He's not, guys.

00:12:42.040 He's not going to change his mind.

00:12:43.700 You're not coming into the United States.

00:12:47.220 It's immoral.

00:12:49.000 And whoever is telling you that you're going to be able to get in, they're lying to you.

00:12:55.320 They're lying to you.

00:12:56.920 So they're coming up from Honduras again.

00:13:02.080 Yet another caravan.

00:13:03.620 He is he is being called immoral for saying we have to be clear.

00:13:09.820 This is a humanitarian crisis.

00:13:11.420 It'll only get worse.

00:13:12.800 We have to be clear.

00:13:13.800 You're not coming in.

00:13:15.520 And we need a wall to make sure that they understand we're serious about this.

00:13:21.780 That's immoral.

00:13:22.840 But what Governor Cuomo is doing, Governor Cuomo says he will not sign another budget until full abortion rights are passed in New York.

00:13:35.000 Now, that means full abortion rights means you have a right to an abortion for any reason at any time up until birth.

00:13:48.620 Excuse me.

00:13:49.860 How is that not immoral?

00:13:54.560 How is that not?

00:13:56.220 How dare you take the state hostage?

00:14:00.140 You won't pass a budget until you can have a partial birth abortion.

00:14:08.080 Do you realize how out of the on the edge and in space and on the fringe that is?

00:14:14.500 Somebody really doesn't like attending baby showers.

00:14:17.040 I think that's the wow want to show up.

00:14:20.500 This is crazy.

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00:18:11.940 All right.

00:18:12.640 So why is Governor Cuomo saying now that you can have partial birth abortion, and he won't sign a budget for New York until this is passed?

00:18:28.900 Here's a guy holding the state hostage.

00:18:31.240 Stu, can you give me some of the numbers on?

00:18:34.140 Because most people, when we say, well, you know, it's a coin toss, you know, it's split, but leans a little in the favor of pro-life.

00:18:43.100 No, it doesn't.

00:18:45.020 When you actually look down at the breakdown, it is in favor of common sense.

00:18:51.520 Now, listen to how people actually feel about abortion when they're given the actual choices.

00:19:00.420 Yeah, 55% of people say they're pro-choice in a – that's pretty high, I would say, for that.

00:19:06.580 It's usually, I would say, in the high 40s, but this is a recent poll from Marist.

00:19:11.400 And 55% say they're pro-choice.

00:19:13.480 38% say they're pro-life when you ask broadly, okay?

00:19:17.320 But when you dig into it a little bit, what you find out is pretty surprising.

00:19:22.120 For example, about 27% of people say that abortion should only be available during the first three months of pregnancy.

00:19:29.680 28% say only in cases of rape, incest, or save the life of a mother.

00:19:35.880 Okay, so there's your 55.

00:19:37.980 Yeah, let's put this into context here.

00:19:41.700 I would be considered pro-choice because I cannot bring myself – and I know this is – I just haven't gotten there yet.

00:19:51.300 I know this is inconsistency, and it's the one thing that I'm inconsistent on that really bothers me.

00:19:57.920 I believe that is life.

00:20:00.340 But I just can't get myself to say to somebody who has been raped, hey, I'm going to tell you what to do.

00:20:09.500 I just can't do it.

00:20:10.720 And that may be wrong, but I can't do that yet as a person and as a dad.

00:20:15.740 And so – and I'm an adopted dad, so I get it, but I'm just not there yet.

00:20:23.860 But because of that, because I say rape and incest, because of that, I would be considered by Marist in this poll pro-life.

00:20:34.760 Yeah.

00:20:34.980 I mean, sorry, pro-choice.

00:20:36.640 It's a little bit different than that because you can identify yourself, and so it's not exactly that 55, right?

00:20:41.500 But I mean, so – but I mean, that's the 55% of people.

00:20:44.440 Again, that's over half where they're saying, oh, you know, no, I think it should be either in cases of rape, incest.

00:20:51.280 Again, rape, incest is your position.

00:20:52.980 It was George W. Bush's position.

00:20:55.440 You know, it's a Republican position on this issue.

00:20:58.520 And that's 28%.

00:20:59.720 28%.

00:21:00.400 Another 27% say just the first trimester.

00:21:02.900 Okay, so that would include maybe rape and incest in the first trimester.

00:21:08.740 Yeah, so anything available in the first trimester.

00:21:11.240 Then you also have another 10% saying abortion only when it saves the life of the mother, which is more restrictive than George W. Bush's or your position.

00:21:19.440 Because there's no research that shows the mother's life is ever – today, it's no longer – well, this baby could kill the mother.

00:21:28.380 I tend to agree with you on that, but I mean, that's a more restrictive position than what you have, because yours includes also, in this case, of life of the mother.

00:21:35.660 And there's 10% say it should be permitted under no circumstances whatsoever.

00:21:39.720 So if you kind of add that up, you've got 48% saying Republican or more restrictive there.

00:21:46.520 Then you have another 27% say it's only in the first trimester, which is far more restrictive than what we have today.

00:21:54.080 So you are at 75% of people who are saying we should be much more restrictive than we are today on abortion.

00:22:03.320 It's not that close.

00:22:04.300 Only 15% of adults believe the Democrat position or the Cuomo position you just outlined, which is it should be available at any time during the pregnancy.

00:22:11.620 The only reason why he's doing this is because he wants to be president.

00:22:15.880 He wants to show how extreme he can be.

00:22:19.560 And he knows he'll get cover from the press.

00:22:23.640 The press won't make this into a big deal that he's holding the state hostage.

00:22:27.720 They'll just use this as his bona fides.

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00:23:35.220 So, big news story today is Brexit in the UK.

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00:23:42.760 Stations, just a quick note.

00:23:50.000 We have Daniel Hannon coming on in just a few minutes.

00:23:52.960 And because of what's happening over in England, he's on a very tight schedule.

00:23:57.380 And so we're going to have to break a little early and do a longer break right after with Daniel Hannon.

00:24:04.360 So, just an alert.

00:24:06.380 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:24:07.640 We're glad you're here.

00:24:08.340 Brexit was voted down yesterday in Parliament.

00:24:12.440 And it's really confusing if you're not really following it.

00:24:18.180 Brexit was voted by the people.

00:24:20.800 And the people said, we want out of the European Union.

00:24:23.760 Theresa May, the Prime Minister, went in and made this compromise deal with the EU.

00:24:29.260 Because, obviously, the EU doesn't want England to leave.

00:24:32.220 And so the compromise deal was, hey, you still get all the trading things.

00:24:37.720 And you still get all this and that and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:24:40.420 But, okay, you don't have to take immigration.

00:24:42.740 And there's a few laws culturally that we'll get rid of.

00:24:46.440 No, that's not what the English people wanted.

00:24:49.100 So Theresa May tried to make this grand compromise.

00:24:52.780 Basically, think of it as the Gang of Eight.

00:24:54.980 And this is comprehensive immigration reform.

00:24:57.320 This is comprehensive European reform.

00:24:59.920 And other people are like, nope, I don't want it.

00:25:03.300 That never makes anybody happy.

00:25:04.900 So now there's two ways to go.

00:25:06.200 There's a hard exit.

00:25:07.500 It's just get out.

00:25:09.180 Or you defy the people and you stay in.

00:25:14.940 If they stay in the EU, it's going to be really, really ugly.

00:25:20.780 Now, so you know, Daniel Hannon is a guy who was in the EU Parliament.

00:25:26.580 Now, I love this guy because I think he is more of what a senator is supposed to be under our Constitution.

00:25:38.420 Stu, how were the senators elected before Woodrow Wilson changed this?

00:25:44.860 Do you know?

00:25:45.360 They were appointed.

00:25:46.200 By?

00:25:46.640 By the states.

00:25:47.420 Correct.

00:25:47.880 Why?

00:25:49.040 So they would be more responsive to the state's needs.

00:25:52.920 They weren't federal figures, per se.

00:25:54.440 So what you had was you had the House of Representatives.

00:25:58.600 They were supposed to be responsible directly to the people.

00:26:02.180 That's why they have such a short period.

00:26:04.020 You have to have elections every two years because we can throw their butts out because they're directly responsible to us.

00:26:11.340 And that's also why the House of Representatives are supposed to be the only ones that can spend money because we have the closest, you know, rope around their neck so they can spend money.

00:26:26.040 Then it has to go to the Senate.

00:26:27.500 Now, Woodrow Wilson changed this to make these guys the guardian of the state, capital S, where it was supposed to be.

00:26:35.640 They were supposed to be the guardian of the state, small s.

00:26:39.240 So Ted Cruz was there to only advocate for Texas, nothing else.

00:26:47.140 He had nothing else to do with with any kind of policies, with an exception of trade and war and things like that.

00:26:54.660 He had nothing to do with American policy.

00:26:58.460 In fact, those senators were supposed to go there to try to protect the state from a growing super state.

00:27:07.200 That's what Daniel Hannon has done in the EU.

00:27:10.560 He has gone and the English people, whether they know this or not, they they hired somebody very American.

00:27:16.080 They hired somebody to go to their parliament, EU, which if you look at the European Union, what is that?

00:27:23.680 That is a collection of separate countries all trying to be united.

00:27:29.940 That's what we were when we first started.

00:27:32.420 When we had the 13 colonies, those were basically 13 different independent states.

00:27:39.020 And they all had different ideas and different culture.

00:27:42.320 New York was very different than Virginia.

00:27:44.520 It still is.

00:27:46.080 Bringing those all together was really difficult.

00:27:49.880 Bringing these guys together is, I think, impossible and wrong because they are too different.

00:27:56.380 So they brought them together and the English people hired Daniel Hannon and said, Daniel, you go.

00:28:02.620 What he's done is he has said, nope, we don't want any of that.

00:28:06.400 He's voted against everything that ties England to the European Union.

00:28:11.000 And he's been there for years.

00:28:12.820 So he's acting as a United States senator is supposed to act in the in the, you know, big state government.

00:28:21.360 Right.

00:28:21.520 And he basically went to work from day one to try to remove Great Britain from the European Union.

00:28:29.580 And destroy his own job, by the way, if he succeeded.

00:28:33.540 Right.

00:28:33.740 Obviously, with Brexit, he did succeed.

00:28:35.640 But we're seeing now that success is a little harder to come by.

00:28:38.920 OK, so he's on a tight schedule today.

00:28:41.000 He'll be with us in about four and a half minutes from England.

00:28:43.540 And he's going to tell us what all of this means and what the plan is now, because Teresa may be out.

00:28:50.480 And the person that may be coming in is Corbyn.

00:28:52.760 And he is a radical anti-Semite and socialist, communist kind of guy.

00:29:00.540 Really not a good guy.

00:29:02.180 We'll talk to Daniel Hannon when we come back.

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00:30:28.740 This is the Glenn Beck Program, and we welcome a member of Parliament, Daniel Hannon.

00:30:36.760 Daniel, thank you for being on the program today.

00:30:39.220 We know.

00:30:39.460 It's a great pleasure, Beck.

00:30:40.280 Always nice to be with you.

00:30:41.060 You bet.

00:30:41.600 We know how busy you are.

00:30:42.580 Can you please explain to America, if you can, what this means?

00:30:48.080 It appears to us on this side of the water that you're kind of going through the same thing we've been going through,

00:30:54.320 where the politicians are just not listening to the people, and they're going their own way,

00:31:02.440 and Theresa May has paid a heavy price for it.

00:31:05.880 What's happening?

00:31:06.540 Yeah, I think you put it very well.

00:31:09.800 When the Parliament voted to allow people a referendum on whether to leave the European Union,

00:31:15.980 it never occurred to MPs that the voters might disregard their advice and vote leave.

00:31:21.920 And what has happened in the last two and a half years since the vote is basically that our political class,

00:31:28.640 not only our MPs, but to be fair, you know, the chiefs of the big rent-seeking corporates,

00:31:34.100 a lot of the civil service, a lot of what Americans would call the deep state, you know,

00:31:37.040 our permanent bureaucracy, diplomats and, you know, charities and think tanks,

00:31:42.700 and the whole establishment have refused to accept the result.

00:31:47.380 And although it looks like chaos, it actually has a very simple cause,

00:31:51.140 which is basically the politicians and their allies in the political elites are not doing what the country instructed them to.

00:31:58.580 So, Daniel, we are going through the same thing with the border.

00:32:01.000 Europe is going through this throughout, and it is going to cause chaos if politicians don't start listening to the people.

00:32:12.040 Is there a chance that that's going to happen now?

00:32:15.820 I mean, you'd have thought that a referendum would be the classic case of where politicians have no option but to listen, right?

00:32:23.060 Because that's what a referendum is.

00:32:24.980 And yet, as I say, it never really occurred to them to plan for a leave vote.

00:32:29.560 And so what we've had, there have been some who have, right from the beginning,

00:32:33.880 just tried to overturn the result or disregard it.

00:32:36.080 Now, I know that that sounds funny, but if you think about it, it's not uncommon practice in the EU.

00:32:41.280 You know, whenever they get a result that they don't like in a referendum, they try and rerun it or disregard it.

00:32:45.980 They did it in Denmark.

00:32:47.040 They did it in Ireland.

00:32:47.980 They did it in France, Netherlands.

00:32:49.700 So, you know, they treat public opinion as an obstacle to get around, not as a source of instruction.

00:32:56.080 And that's why there's unrest in the streets.

00:32:59.200 Well, I mean, I wouldn't go that far, but there is a mood of unpleasantness and incivility in our discourse, rather like in the U.S.

00:33:10.100 But for us, it's really new.

00:33:13.760 I'd never known before years ago people to fall out.

00:33:16.820 So, yeah, I meant in Europe, not in England.

00:33:20.180 Yeah.

00:33:20.640 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:21.900 That is certainly the case.

00:33:23.660 And from a similar cause, you know.

00:33:26.180 And so the funny thing is the politicians who have been so determined to try and frustrate Brexit,

00:33:33.480 what they've done is they've coalesced around this idea of we mustn't leave without a deal.

00:33:38.600 And this, of course, has encouraged the Brussels side when they were told that Britain wasn't going to walk away.

00:33:43.600 Well, what would you do in a negotiation, right?

00:33:45.440 Imagine you were buying a house or something or selling a house.

00:33:47.440 And the other party says, I want you to know that I'm never going to walk away.

00:33:51.060 I'm definitely going to find something.

00:33:52.460 What would you do?

00:33:53.020 The EU has taken advantage of this weakness to insist on really quite vindictive terms.

00:34:01.120 And the funny thing is they may have overplayed their hand, which means that there is now quite a strong likelihood that Britain will leave on the 29th of March without there being any deal at all.

00:34:12.400 Is that a good thing?

00:34:14.780 Well, it's not where I would have wanted to start.

00:34:17.020 But given where we now are, I think leaving with no deal whatever is far better than signing up to these vengeful terms that the European side has sent.

00:34:28.080 And you know what?

00:34:28.940 Life is going to carry on.

00:34:30.160 You know, people will still open their shops and the traffic lights will still work.

00:34:33.660 And an awful lot of people who have been predicting economic catastrophe are going to be left looking very silly indeed.

00:34:39.740 So, Daniel, the the Corbyn from, again, across the water and not paying attention to your politics, he doesn't seem like a good dude.

00:34:50.240 He seems anti-Semitic.

00:34:54.440 He he's a socialist at best.

00:34:58.560 What what what is what's happening with him?

00:35:01.940 Is is is he going to get into the mix here and possible next prime minister?

00:35:06.620 Well, it's a scary thought.

00:35:09.560 I mean, here's the thing, Glenn.

00:35:11.160 So we're reading this right about him.

00:35:14.060 Well, do you know, it's not often that anyone accuses you of this, Glenn, but I think you have understated the situation.

00:35:20.340 It's a common thing in politics that we use we use strong language, we use strong words and we can devalue it.

00:35:28.760 And then when you're left with the genuine article, it's difficult.

00:35:32.300 You've almost run out of vocabulary.

00:35:33.800 But let me put it like this here is for the first time in British history, a party leader who was on the other side during the Cold War, who regrets the outcome of the Cold War.

00:35:45.780 He has never seen a communist dictatorship that he hasn't defended.

00:35:49.740 Chavez Castro, the Soviet Union.

00:35:51.940 He's pro Hamas, he's pro Hezbollah, he was pro IRA.

00:35:55.700 In fact, there has never been a quarrel that has involved the UK where he hasn't taken the other side, even when we were fighting the Falklands War against the fascist dictatorship in Argentina.

00:36:06.580 Right. A fascist dictatorship that disappeared, as they said, leftist agitators and trade unionists threw people out of planes and he still couldn't bring himself to back Britain.

00:36:17.380 This is the guy that two out of five Brits voted for at the last election, which is a truly terrifying thought.

00:36:24.000 Now, of course, normally in a mature democracy like ours, you would say, well, someone like that has got no prospect of getting in.

00:36:31.200 I mean, he makes Bernie Sanders look like a Republican.

00:36:33.400 There's no chance that anyone would vote for someone like him.

00:36:35.840 But if there is sufficient anger at the way in which the government fails to deliver the Brexit vote, then anything is possible.

00:36:44.660 What do the people of Great Britain want you to do right now?

00:36:50.920 What should we be praying for that you guys do that will will make sure that it doesn't get more radical and unstable?

00:36:58.540 You know, I think the best outcome now is that Brexit is delivered, that we become an independent country with its own trade policy, that we move right away to a deep and comprehensive free trade agreement with you guys, our strongest allies and our biggest trading partners.

00:37:14.880 And we're also your biggest investors.

00:37:16.800 You're our biggest investors.

00:37:17.760 That will be a big part of it.

00:37:19.060 I think that will very quickly be followed by a resumption of amicable relations with our European neighbors.

00:37:25.740 You know, once this Brexit process is complete, I think we'll very quickly get around the table and become allies again.

00:37:30.920 And I think there will then be a restoration of something resembling normal politics in the UK.

00:37:36.400 What about Ireland?

00:37:37.980 Doesn't that cause a problem with the borders with Ireland and all that stuff?

00:37:41.420 Or is that just nonsense?

00:37:44.420 I'm afraid it is just nonsense.

00:37:46.600 And actually, this will become very clear in the event that we leave without a deal, because we will leave without a deal.

00:37:53.300 And it will then be obvious that there is no physical border in Ireland and that there was never going to be.

00:37:58.520 The whole thing has been cooked up as a way of trying to keep Britain within the EU's trade policy to allow Brussels to continue to dictate whom we trade with and on what terms.

00:38:09.120 And, you know, the short answer, when somebody starts saying, oh, but what about a hard border in Ireland?

00:38:14.660 Just ask that person, who's going to erect this border?

00:38:18.780 I mean, which government is going to send, you know, construction workers to the frontier and tell them to start putting up physical infrastructure?

00:38:26.920 It's just not going to happen.

00:38:28.440 Neither London nor Dublin nor Brussels wants it, whether or not there is a deal.

00:38:32.020 One last question.

00:38:34.480 Does this, if England exits, does this start a domino effect in Europe?

00:38:42.760 Well, if it exits and succeeds, which, of course, is one of the reasons why Brussels is being so extreperous and aggressive in the negotiations, right?

00:38:55.420 I mean, if any other country, if Canada or Japan or somewhere were offering the kind of trade terms and close continuing cooperation that Britain was doing, the EU would bite their hand off.

00:39:06.720 They'd say, quick, quick, quick, you know, get them to agree to that before the idiots come to their senses.

00:39:10.080 But they, you know, there are a number of people in the European Commission in Brussels, not so much, I have to say, in the national capitals, not in Warsaw or Rome or Berlin or Madrid.

00:39:23.340 But in Brussels, there are a lot of people who would rather see all sides suffer than watch a post-EU Britain succeed.

00:39:33.020 Daniel, thank you so much.

00:39:35.260 We pray for you and we pray for our brothers and sisters across the ocean.

00:39:40.080 And we wish you the best of luck.

00:39:41.860 God bless.

00:39:42.800 Thank you, my friend.

00:39:43.640 All the best to you.

00:39:44.420 You bet.

00:39:44.780 Daniel Hannon.

00:39:47.020 That concerns me.

00:39:48.240 What he just said really concerns me.

00:39:51.020 And we have to make time today to talk about that.

00:39:53.660 I know we're out of time here.

00:39:54.740 You want to see it fail?

00:39:55.980 Yeah.

00:39:56.340 With what's happening in the year with the euro, what's happening with the banking system.

00:40:05.500 This is just this is this is it's all coming together.

00:40:10.800 It's all coming together.

00:40:12.000 And we have to be the best people we can possibly be.

00:40:15.940 All right.

00:40:16.280 Chechnya crackdown on homosexuals.

00:40:18.880 You're not going to hear this in the mainstream media.

00:40:21.220 Why?

00:40:21.740 I don't know.

00:40:23.540 But I think this is really important.

00:40:26.600 We're talking to people who are risking their lives to talk to us from Russia next.

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00:41:31.940 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:41:33.740 We are connecting now to a guest in Russia.

00:41:39.280 They're a member of the Russian LGBT network.

00:41:44.260 Russia says there's not a problem at all in Chechnya.

00:41:47.160 Wait, Russia says there's not a problem in Chechnya?

00:41:51.160 The LGBT community is saying people who are homosexual are being systematically rounded up and tortured and executed.

00:41:59.400 They say that there is the beginning of a homosexual holocaust going on.

00:42:05.760 The person we're connecting to, I don't even know their name.

00:42:08.980 I'm not supposed to know their name.

00:42:11.600 Their lives are in danger as they try to get someone, anyone, to listen.

00:42:17.360 Why isn't anyone on the left really listening?

00:42:21.000 I hope maybe we can find a coalition of like-minded people who will stand for life.

00:42:27.420 We'll talk to the people in Russia, hopefully, in one minute.

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00:44:05.480 All right.

00:44:05.980 I want to set this up just in case.

00:44:09.880 Do we know, Sarah, what the odds are?

00:44:12.460 I mean, are we having transmission?

00:44:13.920 Are we not getting a connection?

00:44:16.120 Do you know what's happening?

00:44:19.060 Connection is not happening yet.

00:44:22.480 The tough one.

00:44:23.340 I mean, we're talking about a phone call into Russia from someone who's hiding their identity.

00:44:28.160 Yeah.

00:44:28.480 I mean, you know, who knows what's going to happen with this thing.

00:44:31.060 I know.

00:44:31.220 So let me just set it up in case we get the connection because I don't want to get the connection and then not go to it.

00:44:38.000 And I want you prepared for this interview.

00:44:41.120 This is somebody who is part of the LGBT community in Russia.

00:44:46.120 If you remember right, about five years ago, I talked to you about the real plight of homosexuals in in the former Soviet Union.

00:44:55.600 Putin was starting to take away driver's license.

00:44:58.620 People, if you were homosexual, you started to lose rights.

00:45:01.340 Because in Chechnya, I told you that they were starting to scoop people up off the street.

00:45:06.740 And this was five years ago and we didn't have confirmation of it.

00:45:11.660 We just had words.

00:45:13.220 Now, there is the LGBT community in Russia who are these people are extraordinarily brave.

00:45:23.140 Remember, you're screwing with the Chechnyans and Putin.

00:45:27.920 And they are trying to reach out and say, hey, we have to tell the world what's going on.

00:45:34.340 Now, we could be like the world was in 1939 and go, oh, well, it's just a bunch of crazy Jews.

00:45:41.700 The Germans would never do that.

00:45:43.460 Or we could actually say these people are risking their life to get this information out.

00:45:49.020 And they're Russians.

00:45:52.200 What they're saying is, is that people are being taken off the street by the Russian government.

00:45:58.960 They are targeted because they are gay.

00:46:05.820 About 150 people have already been smuggled out of the area.

00:46:12.080 One guy said I was kidnapped and kept for 12 days in a basement.

00:46:17.240 They put a plastic bag over my head and put a gun to my head.

00:46:21.660 I was interrogated, physically abused, and forced to contact a person that I was dating.

00:46:26.660 They made me call another guy and tell him to come into a car where they kidnapped him as well.

00:46:34.480 Another person from Chechnya said that the Russian government in Chechnya electrocuted my friends, beat them, denied them food and water.

00:46:45.360 My plea to you in this audience is that we will put aside feelings that we might have about agendas.

00:47:06.260 And I would say that not just to you.

00:47:10.260 I would say that mainly to places like GLAAD.

00:47:14.060 I don't agree with GLAAD.

00:47:16.340 But if they will stand against this, I will gladly stand with them.

00:47:22.820 We need to pay attention.

00:47:24.920 We have the connection now in Russia.

00:47:29.400 How do I even address you?

00:47:31.700 Can I call you by your name or assumed name?

00:47:36.260 Well, hello.

00:47:39.640 Let's call me just at the contact.

00:47:42.560 Okay, contact.

00:47:43.520 And you're a member of the LGBT network in Russia.

00:47:49.840 Yes, that's right.

00:47:51.340 Can you tell us what's happening in Chechnya?

00:47:54.520 Well, the thing with Chechnya, it's really difficult to say what exactly is going on there.

00:48:02.820 Because the small NGO, we don't have access there.

00:48:05.440 But what do we know from our sources?

00:48:07.820 Is there at least 40 people were detained within less than a month, and at least two people were killed.

00:48:13.040 Basically, they were tortured to death.

00:48:16.040 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:48:17.840 Hold on just a second.

00:48:18.720 Could you speak a little slower?

00:48:20.640 We have, I think I got 40 people have been taken, and two people have been tortured to death.

00:48:27.240 If you'll just speak a little slower.

00:48:28.320 Okay, what do we know?

00:48:33.920 Shall we start from the very beginning?

00:48:35.200 Yeah, go ahead.

00:48:35.840 Go ahead.

00:48:36.180 We're live, by the way.

00:48:37.200 So go ahead.

00:48:39.340 Oh.

00:48:39.600 So basically, we know that 40 people were killed, and at least two people were tortured to death.

00:48:49.540 And the Russian authorities, they still deny even the fact that LGBT people exist in Russia.

00:48:54.200 They don't just deny the fact that they're tortured or persecuted.

00:48:57.000 So is Putin, or is this Chechnyan, or is this the Russian government and the Chechnyans?

00:49:14.340 Basically, all what's going on, it's like all the people are persecuted by the local law enforcement agencies, by the local Chechen police.

00:49:24.400 And both Russian authorities at all levels, they say that nothing is going on at all levels.

00:49:31.360 Chechen authorities say so, and Russian federal authorities say so, too.

00:49:35.760 And if I'm not mistaken, Russia, and Putin in particular, is not friendly to the gay and lesbian agenda at all.

00:49:47.860 Well, I believe that it's widely known that Russia is a very homophobic country.

00:49:52.640 And they have, I know it was proposed, did they end up taking driver's license away from gay and lesbians?

00:50:03.960 Known gay and lesbians?

00:50:05.320 No.

00:50:06.600 They did not?

00:50:07.540 Basically, no.

00:50:08.160 They don't do anything like that, no.

00:50:11.200 Okay.

00:50:11.340 What we have is the so-called law, propaganda law.

00:50:15.220 And according to this law, it's prohibited to propagate homosexuality among minors.

00:50:21.600 But it's not defined what propaganda means.

00:50:24.660 So the court decides on their own what does it mean.

00:50:27.480 And quite often, people are accused for very, like, simple things.

00:50:31.600 And how is word getting out of Chechnya about this, what's going on?

00:50:41.560 How do you, how reliable is this information?

00:50:44.580 Well, we first learned about what's going on there in the very end of December.

00:50:52.160 And we didn't know if it was true or not.

00:50:55.840 So we tried to verify everything.

00:50:57.800 So that's why information basically from us appeared only this week.

00:51:02.100 We have our own sources, of course.

00:51:04.480 We work with human rights defenders and with people in Chechnya.

00:51:08.480 And we already evacuated more than, like, around 150 people from there.

00:51:13.600 And all these people, they have their own contacts.

00:51:16.680 So we try, you know, to check from all the sites.

00:51:20.460 It's really hard to say what's going on in Chechnya right now.

00:51:24.680 And other people are still in prison and how many people are killed and what's going on.

00:51:29.460 But I believe that information we provided about 40 people detained and two killed is reliable.

00:51:35.960 Tell me what you are afraid of, personally, because you're not in Chechnya.

00:51:42.620 So why, what are you afraid of?

00:51:47.460 Well, you know, we have cases when people who were taken out of Chechnya by us,

00:51:52.560 who were evacuated and put into shelters, were attacked and basically were kidnapped.

00:51:58.220 And in Russia, we have cases when human rights defenders and journalists who work with Chechen issues were killed.

00:52:04.400 And so I believe that, like, we with the Russian LGBT network have all the reasons to remain anonymous.

00:52:12.380 First, for our own safety.

00:52:14.900 And second, to be able to continue with our work, to continue to support those who are in Chechnya.

00:52:21.900 I have to ask you a tough question here.

00:52:24.080 America is skeptical, to say the least, about Russia right now and Vladimir Putin interference and, you know, disinformation, et cetera, et cetera.

00:52:38.060 And we can argue it goes both ways, et cetera, et cetera.

00:52:40.720 But that's where America is right now.

00:52:42.340 Now, what would you say to people who would say, well, am I being played by a Russian to help Putin make Chechnya into a bad place that he could go in and be an iron fist?

00:53:00.960 You know, I mean, I'm not a politician.

00:53:06.720 I'm a human rights defender.

00:53:08.720 I am really not into politics right now.

00:53:11.980 And when I talk about Chechnya and about people who are being killed and tortured, I talk about people's lives.

00:53:19.980 And I talk about people's destinies.

00:53:21.800 And what I can say to Americans who are probably listening right now is, like, I truly believe that what stopped the first wave of persecution is international attention.

00:53:32.820 And I would like basically to ask for more attention from Americans.

00:53:38.500 And I believe that it is something that can help many, can save many lives.

00:53:43.740 Well, I will tell you that this is a very conservative audience and one that, you know, stereotypical in America would say, oh, they've got a problem with gays or whatever.

00:54:01.020 And we don't.

00:54:02.960 And I, for one, will make sure that my audience knows about this.

00:54:12.020 I hope that the LGBT networks here in America will start talking about this, take this seriously, and stand with people like me and my audience to save the lives of people who are being killed just because of their lifestyle.

00:54:37.020 This is, this is, this is obscene and violates every kind of human right that, that you can imagine.

00:54:45.940 So I, I thank you for your bravery.

00:54:48.160 Um, I wish, I wish, I wish I knew your name, uh, just so I could write it in my diary for my children to listen to and to read about someday about courageous people.

00:54:59.940 But I, I think you are extraordinarily brave and, uh, our prayers and our best go to not only you, but everyone in your network.

00:55:09.700 Thank you so much.

00:55:10.740 Thank you.

00:55:15.760 If you are listening and you are on the left, I would think I would know your name.

00:55:24.680 I don't, I don't know how many on the left are listening, but I would just, I would just ask you, please, can we drop our differences?

00:55:35.540 Can we stop just, well, you can pick it up later.

00:55:39.980 Can we stop about the things that we disagree on and start just talking about the things we do agree on?

00:55:48.880 Can we please come together on something like this?

00:55:53.540 There isn't anyone that is in the sound of my voice.

00:55:59.100 I believe that at least that this audience wouldn't turn on, uh, that thinks that homosexuals should be rounded up, tortured or any, anything like this.

00:56:11.960 Please.

00:56:13.780 There's something we can stand together on.

00:56:17.000 There's something that we can do and actually make a difference.

00:56:20.840 This is the politics of meaning.

00:56:25.620 Please let's come together and figure out a way to help the people in Chechnya and Russia who are afraid for their lives today.

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00:58:11.020 Station ID.

00:58:22.320 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:58:28.320 It's an amazing, uh, story because it's something that's not even being covered here in the United States really at all by any of the groups that should be covering it.

00:58:36.720 Like we're talking about it.

00:58:38.400 What about all these, you know, these groups that we hear every time Kevin Hart makes a joke and we realize, uh, he's the worst person in the world because he made a joke 10 years ago and can't host the Oscars.

00:58:48.420 Or, uh, some, somebody doesn't make a transgendered cake at a bakery or some wedding photographer won't go, won't go do a wedding.

00:58:57.520 They don't want to be involved in.

00:58:58.640 And we're told it's basically the worst thing in the world.

00:59:00.960 We're told that this is a, uh, a real crisis and I guess baked goods are, I mean, look, I feel they're that important, but I didn't know everyone else did.

00:59:09.240 Uh, I'm just surprised that you don't hear about these real things.

00:59:12.880 You know, why wouldn't this be the top priority if you happen to be a gay rights organization?

00:59:18.420 You have people being killed because there's no, there's no political win here.

00:59:22.340 Yeah.

00:59:23.040 And that, that's the problem.

00:59:24.420 That's the problem.

00:59:25.400 We've made everything into politics and we have to stop.

00:59:29.180 I don't think the average person is, is making everything about politics.

00:59:35.820 They just, they just don't.

00:59:37.020 It's like that Gillette ad.

00:59:38.360 You know, I saw a study today said, please, Superbowl advertisers don't make it about politics.

00:59:44.640 Don't stop it.

00:59:46.600 Stop it.

00:59:47.360 We don't want it.

00:59:49.640 Um, and everything now has been politicized and it's just, it makes life crappy and you

00:59:55.480 don't get anything done.

00:59:57.440 So I, I don't know.

00:59:59.200 And that's what I'm, I'm, I'm asking a friend of the program wrote in and said, I know the

01:00:03.360 former head of one of the organizations, uh, one of the gay networks.

01:00:08.080 And he said, I know that they would be open to, to helping fine.

01:00:14.760 Great.

01:00:15.240 Let's do that.

01:00:16.140 Let's do that.

01:00:17.020 Uh, how can we say, Hey, we disagree on a lot of big stuff, but on this particular issue,

01:00:24.500 we can stand shoulder to shoulder.

01:00:26.340 Let, how can we get things done on this issue on this issue?

01:00:30.060 There's no motivation for it because there is sort of a reductionist idea, particularly

01:00:34.880 on, on these big cable news networks to bring everything back to how evil Donald Trump is.

01:00:40.280 Well, it's not, it's not only that it's not, how do you, it's a lot of that, man.

01:00:44.840 It is a lot of it.

01:00:45.880 It is a lot of that, but I think it's bigger than that too.

01:00:48.700 How does a group fundraise against a group like us that would say, we want to get involved.

01:00:56.420 So here's all these conservatives across America and they want to speak out.

01:01:00.840 Let's say we, we came up with something and we say, we want to speak out against the,

01:01:04.600 the roundup of homosexuals and we're helping lead the charge on that.

01:01:09.340 How does the gay organizations of America fundraise when we're no longer a boogeyman?

01:01:16.800 We disagree on things, but we're not boogeymen.

01:01:21.200 People need boogeymen to be able to fundraise.

01:01:24.800 You delete the boogeyman.

01:01:26.660 There's, there's, there's nothing left.

01:01:28.860 Yeah, no, it's, I think that's true, but it also shows that the, if that's true,

01:01:32.640 which I think a lot, it is, it's certainly for many of these organizations.

01:01:35.640 Um, it shows that their goals aren't real, right?

01:01:41.020 Like what they say they stand for is not real and that's pathetic.

01:01:45.040 I mean, cause again, this isn't a tough one.

01:01:47.060 This isn't a tough one at all.

01:01:48.200 You know, to get, to get on board, to say there shouldn't be a genocide of gay people in,

01:01:52.840 in Russia is not a difficult one here.

01:01:56.360 This is not, this is not a heavy lift.

01:01:58.300 And the fact that they, you know, they're going to avoid an issue like that to, to focus

01:02:02.720 on something that's, I mean, inconsequential by every measure in comparison.

01:02:08.620 So we have, we have an angel mom on in about an hour.

01:02:11.480 Now an angel mom is somebody who has lost, uh, someone, uh, due to an illegal alien.

01:02:18.140 Okay.

01:02:18.740 This is a no brainer too.

01:02:20.500 This is an absolute no brainer.

01:02:22.680 We don't want MSN MS 13 in our country.

01:02:26.840 We don't want it.

01:02:27.680 We don't want really bad guys, rapists, uh, gang, rapists, gang members, killers coming

01:02:35.280 across our border.

01:02:36.240 We don't want it.

01:02:37.180 Nobody wants it.

01:02:38.340 So what are the things that we can do that will stop those things?

01:02:42.940 Now you want to talk about what do we do with the people that are already here?

01:02:47.240 That's a different story, but let's separate these things and start looking.

01:02:52.620 of the things we can do.

01:02:54.420 Otherwise you're just against the border for, for what reason you're against the wall.

01:02:58.720 For what reason?

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01:05:20.300 This week we, or this year, we have, we've set in a new goal that we're going to really

01:05:25.360 focus on things that matter, that really matter.

01:05:30.380 And I want to just kind of recap some of the show that we've had today and what we still

01:05:36.320 have coming up.

01:05:37.160 We have Laura Wilkerson.

01:05:38.540 Uh, she's an angel mom on the border.

01:05:41.720 This is so critical that Donald Trump wins this.

01:05:49.220 And, um, at the same time, I think the government is just being made into a joke.

01:05:55.700 Um, I think people are seeing that, well, government's still closed, huh?

01:06:01.680 And with a few exceptions, everything's running fine.

01:06:05.360 And that's the point.

01:06:06.840 That's the point.

01:06:07.660 The American people who believe in small government have been making for a long time.

01:06:11.220 Um, we, we don't get our power from government.

01:06:15.180 We don't get, we don't get our marching orders from government.

01:06:18.460 They get it from us and we're fine.

01:06:22.180 We're fine.

01:06:23.020 I mean, we need the government to do some basic things, but that's what the constitution

01:06:26.880 is for.

01:06:27.560 So we're going to talk about the border, but we've, we've also talked about politics of

01:06:33.140 meaning and Brexit.

01:06:34.220 We had Daniel Hannon on earlier today.

01:06:36.780 Daniel Hannon is the guy who really brought Brexit to, uh, to Europe.

01:06:42.800 I mean, to, to England.

01:06:44.460 Um, he's really the guy who's been spearheading this thing.

01:06:48.180 They're going to go through some dicey times, uh, in England.

01:06:51.440 And as he said, there are people in, uh, Brussels that would rather have the entire EU suffer

01:06:59.800 than have England prosper.

01:07:02.720 Oh, because it's going to encourage other countries to follow their lead if they do prosper,

01:07:06.740 which he believes they will, by the way.

01:07:08.480 And, uh, I do too, if you didn't have nefarious people involved, but I, I, I want to bring

01:07:14.320 this up, um, because look at the things of real meaning that just Brexit touches.

01:07:20.700 Brexit touches, um, civility and unrest, um, the economy allies and politics of meaning.

01:07:31.040 They're now going to put in possibly, possibly two out of five, uh, uh, Britons voted for

01:07:39.020 what's his name?

01:07:39.920 Jeremy Corbyn.

01:07:40.820 Yeah.

01:07:41.500 Jeremy Corbyn.

01:07:42.420 The guy, when I said he's a socialist, uh, Daniel Hannon said, well, this, I don't think

01:07:47.060 this is ever said about you.

01:07:48.260 Uh, you're, uh, you're, uh, underplaying the story and basically described a deep communist

01:07:55.420 radical, um, and an anti-Semite that might be the next prime minister, um, just because

01:08:02.980 people are unhappy with the government and he hates the British government.

01:08:09.200 I hope to God that doesn't happen, but look at what they have.

01:08:13.600 Socialist, communist, a guy who's is an anti-Semite supports openly supports Hamas,

01:08:21.040 Hezbollah, Russia.

01:08:24.260 What do we have here?

01:08:26.500 I mean, the whole world is going through this, the Western world, and I don't think it's a

01:08:31.060 coincidence.

01:08:32.040 What do we have here?

01:08:33.120 The women's movement we told you earlier today is completely falling apart over half of the

01:08:39.480 people that participated and sponsored last year are out.

01:08:43.100 And because they know it's an anti-Semitic organization, it's not a good organization.

01:08:49.720 And the people who are in the organization are doubling down and saying, yeah, we're not

01:08:53.480 going to do this in Los Angeles because we think it's going to be a lot of white people

01:08:56.360 showing up.

01:08:57.980 Oh, okay.

01:08:59.320 I thought this was a woman's movement.

01:09:02.140 Um, and so there, it's just collapsing.

01:09:05.700 Do we get a, is there a moment at any point where we go back and look at all the organizations

01:09:11.320 and media networks that heaped praise on the women's March movement for the last couple of

01:09:17.380 years?

01:09:17.960 I know now they might be pulling out, but do they need to go back and maybe revisit their

01:09:22.300 former opinions on the same people we're talking about?

01:09:24.740 Or apologize to us who said this is a radical, this is a radical organization.

01:09:27.620 And you were called, uh, you just hate women.

01:09:29.460 You're, you know, you're a misogynist.

01:09:31.620 If you said those things, those things were true.

01:09:33.940 Those things were true.

01:09:34.700 Yeah.

01:09:35.060 And as the democratic party, uh, pretty much verifies by pulling out their support yesterday.

01:09:41.680 I mean, these are people, the democratic party has members, uh, that go and travel and

01:09:46.700 visit the Castro family and the Assad family.

01:09:49.980 I mean, if they're pulling out of something, what is it?

01:09:53.220 So look at what Europe is doing and England is now doing with Jeffrey Corbyn.

01:09:57.560 And now look over here, Ocasio-Cortez, the women's movement.

01:10:01.520 It's the same stock.

01:10:02.900 It's the same group of people and Beto.

01:10:06.360 Now Beto is, Beto is, uh, uh, somebody that most people don't know, but let me give you

01:10:12.840 a quote that he said when they said, do you like the constitution?

01:10:16.360 Are you a supporter of the, you know, constitution?

01:10:19.220 Is it still relevant?

01:10:20.780 This was his response.

01:10:22.800 I'm hesitant to answer because I really feel the constitution deserves its due.

01:10:28.560 And I don't want to give you actually just selfishly.

01:10:32.040 I don't want to sound bite of it reported, but yeah, I think that's a question of the

01:10:36.520 moment.

01:10:37.280 Does this still work?

01:10:39.020 Can an empire, listen to this, can an empire like ours with military presence in over 170

01:10:44.700 countries around the globe, trading relationships, security agreements in every continent, can

01:10:50.020 it still be managed by the same principles that were set down 230 plus years ago?

01:10:56.220 No, because if we were actually living by those principles, we wouldn't have a military presence

01:11:01.140 in 170 different countries.

01:11:02.980 So he's saying, you know, I want to give the constitution it's due.

01:11:08.480 I mean, it had its place in its time, but I don't know as a global entity if this still

01:11:15.860 works.

01:11:16.420 He treated like it's the model T. It's like, ah, look, it's a great historical thing.

01:11:20.320 And Ford did some good stuff with that.

01:11:21.740 But I mean, obviously we're not driving that on the roads now.

01:11:24.080 That's how they think of the constitution.

01:11:25.980 It's irrelevant to where we are today.

01:11:27.940 They look at the constitution as, like you said, the model T instead of the combustion

01:11:33.720 engine.

01:11:35.120 You know what I mean?

01:11:36.100 Yeah.

01:11:37.060 No.

01:11:37.860 Engines have improved in some ways, but the principles are still there.

01:11:40.780 Yeah.

01:11:41.260 The basic principles of transportation are still there.

01:11:46.440 You know, well, you know, airplanes still had their place, you know, but I'm not really

01:11:53.540 sure the biplane.

01:11:54.520 Well, the biplane doesn't have a place in today's modern aviation.

01:12:00.080 However, the principles behind what they did to take off, those are valid.

01:12:06.180 A little uncomfortable with you opposing the B in airplanes and the LBGT community of airplanes

01:12:13.260 in aviation.

01:12:14.860 Biplanes are completely acceptable.

01:12:16.660 You should not be criticized.

01:12:17.820 I know.

01:12:18.220 I apologize.

01:12:18.960 I apologize.

01:12:20.200 One wing can have sex with another wing, even though they're exactly the same because

01:12:23.680 they're all different.

01:12:24.320 They are.

01:12:24.940 They can all choose.

01:12:26.000 They are.

01:12:26.540 I'm bottom.

01:12:27.260 I'm top.

01:12:27.840 I'm top.

01:12:28.360 I'm bottom.

01:12:28.840 They can choose.

01:12:29.400 And I think the seaplane would be the transgendered plane because that can both go in the water

01:12:34.840 and fly in the air.

01:12:36.680 I'm not.

01:12:37.580 I don't.

01:12:37.840 I just I think you can build this whole thing out and just I mean, I'll work on this as

01:12:42.160 I'll start my own my own advocacy group and then I can start my own march that gets

01:12:46.420 abandoned by the Democratic Party in a couple of years.

01:12:49.300 So nobody who is asking the question, how do you short circuit this?

01:12:53.300 How do you short circuit what's happening around the globe?

01:12:55.840 It's not just us.

01:12:56.720 It's not Donald Trump.

01:12:57.940 It's not Donald Trump.

01:13:00.360 Donald Trump just happened to be the right guy at the right time or the wrong guy at the

01:13:05.060 wrong time.

01:13:05.760 If that's the way you want to look at it.

01:13:07.560 He didn't create what's going on.

01:13:09.860 He capitalized on it.

01:13:12.040 He just did what no one in Europe is doing now to the people.

01:13:17.420 He's there's no one in England, maybe Daniel Hannon, that is actually listening to what

01:13:22.940 the people said.

01:13:23.900 Now, look at this with look at this with two things.

01:13:28.200 We talked about them earlier.

01:13:29.320 Let's look at the border.

01:13:31.300 The people have spoken.

01:13:33.060 If you look at the border and you look at the polling, you may not be for a border wall,

01:13:40.680 but a border fence.

01:13:41.700 Very few people in America are like, I'm borderless.

01:13:45.400 I don't care who's coming in.

01:13:47.720 Very, very few people.

01:13:50.140 That's the Democratic position.

01:13:53.580 That's their position now.

01:13:55.960 It wasn't just a few years ago, but it is now.

01:13:58.760 Well, they won't admit that exactly, right?

01:14:01.080 They'll say, well, of course, you want border security.

01:14:03.700 We just don't want the wall.

01:14:04.940 We just don't want a fence.

01:14:06.440 They'll still say that they want it monitored.

01:14:08.420 But I mean, they've never done anything to monitor in the last few years.

01:14:13.140 They've done nothing.

01:14:14.120 Oh, they would disagree with that.

01:14:15.340 Oh, yeah, of course.

01:14:16.120 But I mean, beyond like, forget it.

01:14:18.200 OK, forget what you're doing at the border.

01:14:20.220 We know that 10, 15 million people have crossed the border and are here illegally, and we know

01:14:25.120 what they want to do with them.

01:14:26.040 And so the fact that people got across the border, in many cases, not all, you know,

01:14:31.020 it's about the majority is still overstayed visas.

01:14:33.860 Bottom line, though, is they want illegal immigrants to be able to get a pathway to citizenship, right?

01:14:38.460 So that, I mean, who cares if they cross the border or if they come in on planes or however

01:14:42.800 they get here?

01:14:43.940 That's their end goal.

01:14:45.120 They also said that they would never, ever, they would never, ever let Obamacare go into

01:14:51.920 the hands of illegals.

01:14:52.940 You lie.

01:14:53.800 Oh, yeah.

01:14:54.060 That was a scandal.

01:14:54.860 Well, it's happened.

01:14:56.200 I mean, it happened.

01:14:57.400 So you have to just watch people on their actions.

01:14:59.960 Yes, exactly.

01:15:00.980 And and politicians on both sides of the aisle when it comes to the border.

01:15:04.680 I mean, George Bush was was not that bad, but he was just as bad in many ways on the

01:15:09.780 border.

01:15:10.820 You know, he wasn't doing anything on the border.

01:15:13.140 That was the real wake up call for me.

01:15:15.220 Wait a minute.

01:15:15.940 Who are you, George Bush?

01:15:17.040 Why won't you take care of this?

01:15:18.680 Wait a minute.

01:15:19.260 This illegal aliens.

01:15:20.320 What are you doing?

01:15:21.080 By the way, Bush did do some fencing across the border.

01:15:25.060 And if you look at the crossings in those areas, they're down 90 percent.

01:15:29.860 I mean, entire regions are down 90 percent.

01:15:32.380 There's a decent amount of fence that is up.

01:15:34.620 It's right.

01:15:35.520 It's fine.

01:15:36.200 I love that.

01:15:36.740 Yeah.

01:15:36.980 Great.

01:15:37.280 And and the parts where, you know, the parts where there are no with where there is no

01:15:41.100 fence, there hasn't been the drop, though.

01:15:42.720 Some of them are lower traffic areas.

01:15:45.600 It is.

01:15:46.340 It's it is hilarious because, you know, if it didn't matter so much, it would be it would

01:15:52.040 be comical.

01:15:52.660 But the idea that you can't commit to having a physical barrier, which is, you know, it's

01:15:58.380 one of the cheapest ways to monitor the border.

01:16:00.620 Is it going to stop everything?

01:16:01.900 No, no one thinks it will.

01:16:02.880 So what we're doing is we're arguing about a wall.

01:16:06.820 What we should be arguing about is border security.

01:16:11.060 The problem with that, though, is the Democrats say they want it.

01:16:14.860 And I know that when they get in the position to implement it, they don't do it.

01:16:18.720 The reason why people are at a wall is because they don't believe anybody on border security,

01:16:26.040 because everybody on both sides have said, oh, I'm for border security.

01:16:29.720 You're right.

01:16:30.360 You haven't done anything about it.

01:16:31.660 It's like I'm I, you know, we've got to check over state visas.

01:16:36.060 Hello.

01:16:37.760 It's been 18 years.

01:16:40.120 That was the problem with 9-11.

01:16:41.680 You haven't done anything about that.

01:16:43.480 That's not fixed.

01:16:44.760 You're not serious about it.

01:16:46.500 This is the Bubba effect.

01:16:48.380 So the first part of the Bubba effect is people stand up and say, you know what?

01:16:52.660 No, I want this because I don't trust you guys because you'll change the deal.

01:16:57.140 That's what's happening in Brexit right now.

01:17:00.180 The politicians don't want to do it.

01:17:02.340 The people do.

01:17:03.580 And so they decided, well, let's just mealy mouth around.

01:17:06.400 Let's do a gang of eight thing.

01:17:08.440 That's not going to work.

01:17:10.160 That's not going to work.

01:17:11.100 And so you get more and more anti-English, anti-EU, anti-whatever it is, Western way of life, anti-American people who are standing up.

01:17:24.300 That includes radicals who have different ideas about the country, like Jeremy Corbyn, who is a real radical in all of the worst sort of ways.

01:17:33.960 And then you get people who are like Beto.

01:17:35.800 I don't think Beto is a bad guy.

01:17:38.140 I just disagree with him on his policies and on his stance, I think, about the Constitution.

01:17:43.860 When you say, I think the Constitution deserves its due.

01:17:47.280 But the question is, is it relevant anymore?

01:17:50.120 Unless you're following it with, is it relevant anymore to anyone in Congress?

01:17:54.960 Because we haven't been using it.

01:17:56.460 We got here because we're not using it.

01:17:58.420 But you start to get people like that.

01:18:02.900 We have to come together and be very specific in our conversations and be very specific on what we are for.

01:18:11.460 Yeah, you know what?

01:18:12.460 It is.

01:18:12.880 You're right.

01:18:13.460 It is a humanitarian problem on the border.

01:18:17.300 Now, what's causing that?

01:18:20.140 What's causing that is confusion of the law.

01:18:24.220 Chaos.

01:18:25.340 Chaos always causes problems.

01:18:27.580 So let's be very clear with people in South America and anyone south of our border.

01:18:33.240 You're not coming in.

01:18:34.580 You're not coming in illegally.

01:18:36.300 You're not.

01:18:37.020 If you have a problem, you go see an embassy.

01:18:40.460 If you have a problem, we will help those who have actual dire needs.

01:18:45.480 But there's a system.

01:18:47.140 Don't put your kid on a train.

01:18:48.660 Don't come walking 2,000 miles because we're not letting you in.

01:18:52.760 We are serious about our border.

01:18:55.320 However, that causes all these humanitarian crises, they all go away.

01:19:01.040 The problem is we're being over general on everything.

01:19:06.860 We're not actually talking about anything that will solve the issue.

01:19:14.140 Donald Trump is by saying it's the wall.

01:19:16.860 He's the only one in this that is actually saying this will do it.

01:19:20.180 And you can call it a wall.

01:19:21.020 You can call a fence, whatever you want to do.

01:19:22.720 But this has to be done.

01:19:31.180 We have an epidemic of crappy food in America, and it is literally killing us.

01:19:37.720 And if we don't smarten up, we're going to have a tragic wave of devastating health complications for the next generation.

01:19:44.340 We are eating crap.

01:19:48.420 Now, Stu doesn't – I mean, he's had weed killer.

01:19:52.320 He drinks weed killer.

01:19:53.800 I don't think I drink weed killer.

01:19:56.220 You drank roundup.

01:19:57.620 Yes, well, in the past, I've had roundup.

01:19:59.800 It was relatively delicious.

01:20:02.000 No, actually, it's terrible to say.

01:20:04.120 You shouldn't drink.

01:20:05.200 But that's a good point here in that, like, if you're going to eat like Americans eat, you might want to also get your fruits and vegetables.

01:20:14.680 You have to have the fruits and vegetables.

01:20:16.140 And unless you're going to put a plate of salad next to you, which we all know you're not going to do, that's not going to happen.

01:20:20.780 No.

01:20:21.340 Go to Brickhouse Glen, and you can get real superfood, and you just stir it in a drink.

01:20:26.540 Now, this is real superfood.

01:20:28.540 This is not supplements.

01:20:29.660 This is the actual fruits and vegetables, all the minerals, everything that's coming from that superfood, that's what's in that.

01:20:37.460 So it's like a spoonful of salad, which does not help the medicine go down.

01:20:42.240 It doesn't taste like a spoonful of salad, though.

01:20:43.980 No, it doesn't.

01:20:44.580 It gives you the nutrients there.

01:20:45.520 It tastes like a spoonful of sugar in comparison to a salad.

01:20:47.800 Yeah, it tastes good.

01:20:48.640 So Brickhouse Glen, BrickhouseGlen.com.

01:20:51.520 Try it now, 15% off.

01:20:53.420 You do a scoop of this a day.

01:20:55.240 You got all the stuff you need for salad and vegetables.

01:20:58.440 BrickhouseGlen.com.

01:20:59.820 Never have a salad again in your life and celebrate it.

01:21:03.780 BrickhouseGlen.com.

01:21:09.220 This salad nonsense is driving me out of my mind.

01:21:12.900 The media is now coming out and saying,

01:21:14.820 Oh, Donald Trump, was he being a misogynist by saying the first lady and second lady would make a salad?

01:21:20.380 Yeah, that's exactly what he was doing.

01:21:22.400 Yeah, you know, guys, I got the little fillies.

01:21:24.900 I told them to go in the kitchen and make you a salad.

01:21:26.980 But has anyone ever thought that maybe the first lady and the second lady might go,

01:21:33.560 I don't know, Dad, I mean, we just go in the kitchen.

01:21:37.600 We can make a salad.

01:21:38.820 First of all, he's not making salads.

01:21:40.800 He's not making a salad for himself.

01:21:42.160 He's not making food himself.

01:21:43.880 He's lived the life of Donald Trump forever.

01:21:46.340 He's the kind of guy, if he wants something, he'll send somebody out to make Donald's, and that's what he eats.

01:21:50.580 Can we stop with this nonsense?

01:21:53.440 Tad concerned why the first lady would say dad to Donald Trump.

01:21:58.000 Oh, the second lady said that.

01:21:59.320 Well, the second lady is Mike Pence's wife, isn't it?

01:22:01.680 Yeah, Mike Pence.

01:22:02.880 Oh, I guess it is.

01:22:04.120 I was thinking he was talking about his daughter, Ivanka.

01:22:07.000 Yeah.

01:22:07.060 All right.

01:22:09.180 Welcome back to the program.

01:22:11.820 Let's talk about Patriot Mobile.

01:22:13.400 You know, there's a new story out about the border wall.

01:22:18.420 Remember La Raza, Glenn?

01:22:21.160 The race?

01:22:22.300 Yeah, I love that.

01:22:22.680 The race.

01:22:23.000 They've changed their name to something else, but still, these big mobile companies are donating tons of money to them, and they're out in front trying to stop any measure on the border of any sort, and this is where your money goes when you are subscribed to one of these big mobile companies.

01:22:41.880 They make these donations kind of in your name.

01:22:44.600 Patriot Mobile went the other way.

01:22:45.880 They said, you know what?

01:22:46.560 Let's have people's money be able to align with their values.

01:22:49.540 You get to choose whatever charity you wanted to go to.

01:22:55.020 They have a bunch of conservative charities that they're aligned with, and it's a great way of making sure you're consistent with your spending, and also, you're going to get great service.

01:23:04.740 You're going to get all the great prices, too.

01:23:06.780 PC Magazine just said it was one of the best values in America when it comes to cell phone service, and that doesn't mean conservative or liberal.

01:23:13.540 It's just one of the best overall.

01:23:15.740 Patriot Mobile is the place to go.

01:23:17.220 1-800-A-PATRIOT is the place to call, or mention Blaze when you do call that.

01:23:22.700 Then PatriotMobile.com slash Blaze is the website.

01:23:26.280 PatriotMobile.com slash Blaze, or 1-800-A-PATRIOT.

01:23:31.580 The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

01:23:35.140 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:23:37.900 Had a conversation with Daniel Hannon today.

01:23:39.940 He's from the European Parliament.

01:23:41.600 He's trying to destroy his own job and eliminate his job by getting rid of the EU for England.

01:23:50.840 It's a mess over in England.

01:23:53.240 We talked to him, and he said some rather disturbing things about Jeremy Corbyn, who may be challenging for the prime minister's seat.

01:24:03.360 Maybe, and also the members of the EU themselves on how they'd rather see the whole thing and everyone suffer than allow Great Britain to go out and be successful.

01:24:16.280 What we're seeing over in Great Britain and in Europe is exactly what we're seeing here on our own border.

01:24:22.760 This is what this is really all about.

01:24:26.200 The politicians not listening to the people.

01:24:29.540 And we'll begin there in one minute.

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01:25:43.700 Mr. Matt Kibbe was a guy who helped start FreedomWorks and then left FreedomWorks.

01:25:56.460 You were instrumental in the Tea Party.

01:25:58.240 And then you kind of branched out, went out on your own and tried to find a way to make

01:26:06.960 politics meaningful and actually get something done because nothing's working right now.

01:26:13.560 Yeah, that could be a contradiction, right?

01:26:15.200 Yeah, I know.

01:26:16.480 How are you, Matt?

01:26:17.320 I am doing great.

01:26:18.440 Good.

01:26:18.740 Should we start with the announcement?

01:26:19.940 Yeah, let's do that.

01:26:20.740 Go ahead.

01:26:21.100 So, as of today, and this was carefully planned for years in advance, not really, it just sort

01:26:29.240 of happened, I am officially a member of the Blaze TV family, and I will be launching my

01:26:36.020 new show, Kibbe on Liberty, imminently.

01:26:40.160 And it's going to be different than anything I've ever done before, and it goes directly

01:26:44.660 to what we were talking about.

01:26:46.260 You know, if the Tea Party was a cadre of everybody that shared a set of values, and

01:26:51.460 we're going to come together and try to impact politics at the margin, I feel like technology

01:26:56.800 is enabling us to reach a lot of new people.

01:27:00.460 I call them the Liberty Curious.

01:27:02.760 There's people out there that are trying to figure out where they fit in this hyper-partisan

01:27:07.680 world, and I don't feel like enough people are even trying to talk to them.

01:27:13.340 So we're going to try to do that.

01:27:14.460 But, I mean, really, who is in either party, per se, who is?

01:27:20.420 I mean, Stu and I talked about this just the other day.

01:27:23.420 What would it take for you to get back and say, you know what?

01:27:26.300 I'm a registered Republican.

01:27:29.480 Nothing?

01:27:30.320 Five years of absolute consistent voting patterns and standing up for the Constitution?

01:27:37.060 Maybe?

01:27:37.740 Yeah.

01:27:38.220 Maybe?

01:27:38.620 But, I mean, I think more and more people are like, I don't have a home in either of

01:27:43.660 these parties.

01:27:44.460 And part of it, like, it's how young people think about the world, and part of this is

01:27:48.540 very much fueled by technology.

01:27:50.200 They live in this a la carte world where they get to choose everything, and they choose from

01:27:54.800 millions of bands every day.

01:27:57.500 Right.

01:27:57.880 And yet, when it comes to politics, somebody they don't know decided, you get this choice

01:28:01.800 or that choice.

01:28:03.060 And they're like, I don't even understand.

01:28:05.300 Well, that's right.

01:28:06.600 What is that?

01:28:07.260 Right.

01:28:07.520 And I think that's the problem.

01:28:10.340 I think that's, this has kind of been bubbling in my head recently, that the problem is, is

01:28:16.500 that we are so a la carte on everything else, except for politics, that when it comes to

01:28:22.980 something like the border, look, here's what I want.

01:28:27.040 I want security.

01:28:28.580 I want to know who's in the country.

01:28:31.780 I want to know that MS-13 is not getting across the border.

01:28:35.180 So, I don't care what it is.

01:28:38.740 The wall is only a symbol of, screw you, politicians.

01:28:44.240 You've told us you care about this forever.

01:28:46.680 I don't believe you.

01:28:48.140 I want something permanent that you can't get around.

01:28:52.080 It's more about the politicians than it is the people on the other side of the border,

01:28:56.360 I feel.

01:28:57.060 Yeah.

01:28:57.440 I think that's right.

01:28:58.500 And I think people on both sides of the aisle, across the spectrum, have come to this

01:29:04.480 very uncomfortable realization that, you know what, government's been lying to us.

01:29:10.700 And this is also fueled by technology.

01:29:12.860 People know more.

01:29:14.320 And all those politicians who used to say one thing at home and then come to Washington

01:29:17.820 and do the opposite, now you can sort of find out that they were lying to you all along.

01:29:22.000 So, I view it as a paradigm shift.

01:29:24.480 Like, people are raging against the machine.

01:29:28.040 It's happening all over the world.

01:29:29.460 All over.

01:29:29.800 And all this vacillation from far left to far right and all that stuff.

01:29:33.760 It's just people trying to figure out how to rein this thing in.

01:29:37.200 And, you know, they only have so many tools available to them, so they do what they can.

01:29:41.360 But these symbols, these symbolic fights, you know, is Trump going to let the machine beat him?

01:29:49.320 I think they might have met their match.

01:29:52.100 I do, too.

01:29:52.620 I think Trump may be just stubborn enough to do what lots of politicians have promised.

01:29:57.860 You know, I'm a veteran of several shutdowns, the 1994, 1996 shutdown, and then, of course,

01:30:04.780 the Tea Party shutdown.

01:30:06.540 And I still believe to this day that the good guys, if they'd stuck with it, would have had

01:30:11.920 a tremendously big impact.

01:30:13.720 I think he's going to stick with it.

01:30:15.060 And I think this is doing tremendous good and bad at the same time.

01:30:20.580 Tremendous good is it's showing us we don't really need it.

01:30:24.300 Right.

01:30:24.520 We don't need it.

01:30:25.140 We don't need, oh, wow, you can't go to work.

01:30:27.800 Good.

01:30:28.800 You know what I mean?

01:30:29.480 With an exception of a few things, nothing's really unraveling.

01:30:34.460 Right.

01:30:34.920 Except for the media and the political elite.

01:30:38.780 You know, again, there are certain exceptions to this.

01:30:41.660 It's good in that way because it's teaching Americans, you know, they're not as important

01:30:46.800 in your life as you as they try to make you believe they are.

01:30:50.340 The second thing is.

01:30:52.940 It could get to the point to where it discredits government so much that you have more of this

01:31:00.680 attitude of it's all bad.

01:31:02.720 Right.

01:31:03.500 You know what I mean?

01:31:04.220 I think I think both things are happening.

01:31:06.000 And, you know, it I didn't actually know until the other day that there's a guy in the government

01:31:11.340 who's been furloughed, who approves beer labels, excuse me, beer labels.

01:31:15.900 And I'm like, why is the government doing that?

01:31:18.520 One of the things you could learn out of this process is that so many government functions

01:31:23.640 should have never been there in the first place.

01:31:25.640 What is this?

01:31:26.160 Wait.

01:31:26.780 Yeah, we've talked about this.

01:31:27.520 This is craft beers.

01:31:28.680 Oh, the craft beers guy.

01:31:29.800 Yeah.

01:31:30.240 Okay.

01:31:30.460 But why?

01:31:31.420 The alcohol, tobacco and firearms.

01:31:33.320 Right, Matt?

01:31:33.840 Right.

01:31:34.040 And I think this is the one thing people might revolt against the against the government

01:31:38.280 shutdown, because they're not getting their new flavors of beer.

01:31:40.300 This is the tipping point.

01:31:40.580 Yeah, it really is.

01:31:41.720 I've thought about switching teams over this issue, I'll be honest.

01:31:45.360 Go Kamala Harris!

01:31:48.420 Although I don't think she cares about my beer freedom either, to be honest with you.

01:31:50.600 No, she doesn't.

01:31:51.680 Of course.

01:31:52.220 So Matt, when you see things like Brexit, and you see the European Union that does not have

01:32:06.120 a constitution, does not have a freedom understanding, and you see this undertow of politicians just

01:32:16.960 being bad, what does that tell you?

01:32:21.260 What's coming?

01:32:23.020 Well, it's the empire strikes back, and it's all of us learning across the globe that there

01:32:29.380 is this permanent bureaucracy.

01:32:31.940 It's a business.

01:32:32.640 Big government is a business, and they don't care about you.

01:32:35.760 They care about themselves.

01:32:37.620 And I'm not saying that as some sort of cynical, paranoid thing.

01:32:41.280 That's just, it's how it works.

01:32:43.040 People in government are just as self-interested as the rest of us, and if you give them all

01:32:46.320 that power, they're going to take care of themselves, not the rest of us.

01:32:50.140 But it's, I happen to be an optimist about this process, because I think we're in the

01:32:55.120 middle of learning what government is really about, and because of technology, we see again

01:33:01.460 and again and again that they take care of themselves instead of doing the things that

01:33:05.300 they said they were going to do.

01:33:06.920 But it's pretty scary, and you see this, it's more vivid in Europe than it is in this

01:33:11.280 country, and you've talked about this all the time.

01:33:13.540 You see the neo-fascists, you see the neo-Marxists, and you could get this vacillation from radical

01:33:20.820 right-wing populism to radical left-wing populism, because nobody trusts the process anymore.

01:33:26.500 But that's where we step in, and we've got to fill that void with things that we should

01:33:32.520 have been doing more of, and I know you did it every day, but during the Tea Party movement,

01:33:37.860 we needed to spend more time on educating.

01:33:41.760 You know, why is limiting executive power so important?

01:33:45.060 And why does it matter not just now, but 50 years from now?

01:33:48.640 And we need to sort of fill in those blanks for all of these new eyeballs, these new minds

01:33:54.860 that are trying to figure out how the world works.

01:33:56.500 You've been so good at that.

01:33:58.260 I mean, I watch your stuff on socialism and everything else.

01:34:00.380 You've been so good at teaching and teaching in a different way, teaching to an audience

01:34:06.340 that is not necessarily my audience, and yet we have so much in common.

01:34:13.260 But you're teaching the people who are like, wait a minute, none of this makes sense.

01:34:18.120 None of this works.

01:34:19.580 Nobody's teaching that at all.

01:34:21.660 And, you know, how is it that free people manage to solve problems without a TSA, without

01:34:29.960 someone approving our beer labels?

01:34:33.420 We live in this world where almost everything we do is free, and we sort of take it for granted

01:34:39.280 that things work when we're left alone to do that kind of stuff.

01:34:43.420 But, you know, we've been told that unless the government has a program, that's not going

01:34:48.260 to get done, but you've got to unveil some of those stories about people helping people

01:34:53.500 and solving problems.

01:34:54.740 And no one told them to do it, and there wasn't an appropriation.

01:34:58.000 There wasn't a regulation.

01:34:59.180 It's just what free people do.

01:35:01.460 You're seeing, you go over to the old former Eastern Bloc, just the fringe countries, Poland,

01:35:10.360 Hungary, et cetera, et cetera.

01:35:11.180 Yeah, yeah.

01:35:11.620 And they are starving and on fire.

01:35:14.040 I think that is the new American alliance.

01:35:19.620 Those countries are not going to go the way of Russia or Europe if it starts to go ugly.

01:35:26.720 Do you believe that?

01:35:28.100 I believe that, but there's a reason I spend time over there is because I want to make sure

01:35:32.360 that, you know, the solution is going to be freedom-based and not power-based.

01:35:38.960 Because the thing that's being offered to young people today, which they're rejecting

01:35:44.500 mostly, is, you know, everything's about power.

01:35:48.140 And you can either be a Marxist or Nazi.

01:35:51.480 And nobody wants to be a Nazi, so I got to be a Marxist?

01:35:55.520 That's a false choice.

01:35:57.040 It's an obscene choice.

01:35:59.640 And weirdly, if you accept that left-right thing, which I don't really do, in the middle

01:36:04.600 are all the people that are like, I just want to be left alone, and I want an opportunity

01:36:08.600 to work and create value.

01:36:10.680 And I don't want people starving to death.

01:36:12.440 I want to be just a decent person, and can't we just be left alone?

01:36:16.000 Yeah.

01:36:16.340 But that's not what's happening.

01:36:17.960 Let me talk.

01:36:18.440 I'm going to take a quick break, and let me talk to you about the new water, proposed

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01:36:25.100 How extreme Cuomo is getting on his refusal to sign the budget, unless you have access

01:36:35.300 to abortion, even in the last hour of your pregnancy, and how the left is going more and

01:36:43.020 more extreme, and I think eating itself, but maybe you have a different perspective on

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01:38:27.640 Matt Kibbe on the Glenn Beck program.

01:38:29.200 So we have Ocasio-Cortez, who is a socialist.

01:38:33.880 You have Beto.

01:38:35.760 I don't know.

01:38:36.220 Did you hear what Beto said about the Constitution?

01:38:38.180 Yeah.

01:38:38.420 I read that.

01:38:39.160 That tortured.

01:38:40.320 Is that crazy?

01:38:41.160 Yeah.

01:38:41.720 I'm just not sure.

01:38:42.700 Let me see if I can do.

01:38:44.560 The question of the moment.

01:38:46.140 Does our Constitution still work?

01:38:48.020 Can an empire like ours with military presence in over 170 countries around the globe, with

01:38:53.340 trading relationships, security agreements in every continent, can it still be managed

01:38:57.200 by the same principles that were set down 230 plus years ago?

01:39:01.080 Well, no, because we shouldn't be doing all of those things.

01:39:04.720 He sounds pro-empire there.

01:39:06.100 He does.

01:39:06.620 I'm like, I don't think that's where the people are.

01:39:11.000 It's a nice segue.

01:39:12.080 Like the progressive left has become so authoritarian that, you know, even on questions of whether

01:39:18.560 or not we should be in how many countries, like, I don't know how many countries we have

01:39:22.140 troops now, but there used to be an honest agreement amongst constitutional conservatives,

01:39:27.600 libertarians, and civil libertarians on the left.

01:39:30.280 We shouldn't be doing all that stuff.

01:39:31.920 Right.

01:39:32.240 They seem to want to do everything now.

01:39:35.340 And if you want to do everything, you got to have all the power.

01:39:38.240 And principles don't change either, right?

01:39:40.120 Like the idea that it's like saying, well, with Snapchat and Instagram and the way people

01:39:44.380 are connecting today, you can't treat your relationships by the golden rule.

01:39:48.320 I was like, well, yeah, the golden rule applies to all of these situations, right?

01:39:51.760 It's a principle.

01:39:52.720 And that seems to be lost, certainly in Washington.

01:39:56.040 Well, they, and, and again, I think it's, it's ultimately self-serving.

01:40:01.580 You know, if, if you believe in power and redesigning the economy and society from the

01:40:07.640 top down, um, you sure as heck want to be in charge of all that.

01:40:11.940 Yeah, sure you do.

01:40:12.780 Um, that's what he's talking about.

01:40:14.080 I think when you look at the women's movement, the Democrats have just finally dropped their

01:40:18.400 endorsement of them.

01:40:19.760 They say it's because what was revealed about Louis Farrakhan on the view.

01:40:23.320 No, it's not.

01:40:24.640 It's no, it's, it's, it became a bigger cross to carry.

01:40:28.540 Yeah.

01:40:28.940 Uh, than to hold up in front of people.

01:40:31.320 Um, they've lost over half of their sponsors.

01:40:34.300 They're the, the, the person who started it is like, this is a really anti-Semitic organization.

01:40:41.960 Where compare this to the tea party because the tea party didn't implode.

01:40:48.440 It just kind of slowly faded away.

01:40:50.960 Yeah.

01:40:51.260 This is an implosion.

01:40:52.980 Yeah.

01:40:53.580 Well, I, and I've actually written about this and, and, and there's a fundamental difference.

01:40:59.060 And I think the reason why the tea party was so impactful, why it was a sustainable social

01:41:03.180 movement for, you know, depending on how you measure it, three, four or five years, um,

01:41:08.340 it's because we had a shared set of values.

01:41:10.060 You could wait into any tea party anywhere.

01:41:13.140 And they would tell you some version of I'm here because I believe in individual freedom,

01:41:16.960 limited government and fiscal responsibility.

01:41:19.760 They all said it, they all had a similar stories.

01:41:22.560 So that, that bound them as a community.

01:41:24.820 And it was also self run.

01:41:27.480 Yeah.

01:41:27.820 It was community.

01:41:28.740 It was complete.

01:41:30.760 Um, you know, both you and I have been called the leaders.

01:41:33.180 Of the tea party.

01:41:33.920 And that's, that's silly.

01:41:34.940 No, we weren't leaders.

01:41:35.740 We were, we were members maybe.

01:41:37.320 Yeah, I sure was.

01:41:38.800 And, but you know, the, the women's March and occupy wall street before that.

01:41:44.240 And I think other, other left wing attempts to recreate the tea party.

01:41:49.860 It's a collection of very disparate goals and values and sometimes competing and fighting

01:41:56.620 with each other.

01:41:57.660 And the only thing that held it together was they hated Trump and that's not enough.

01:42:01.720 That's, that's not going to hold it together.

01:42:03.940 And that's why we're seeing it fall apart.

01:42:06.540 That's why it's not been sustainable.

01:42:08.700 And, and I think, and I've, I've said this to my, my friends on the other side, if you

01:42:13.460 want to build a social movement, figure out what a, what a few values are that would hold

01:42:18.500 you together as a movement.

01:42:20.600 If it's just a collection of all these things we want government to do, I don't think that

01:42:24.400 does it.

01:42:24.780 Well, but their values that the ones that they seem to believe in, I mean, and I'm talking

01:42:30.120 about the leaders of, um, are not traditionally embraced by America.

01:42:37.580 Um, even on abortion, you know, you say, are you pro-life, you pro-choice people say, well,

01:42:42.940 I'm, I'm pro-life pro-choice, but it's close.

01:42:45.260 It's actually not.

01:42:46.720 When you get past, you know, life of the mother and rape and incest, uh, it starts the

01:42:53.560 numbers of supports and, and first trimester, the numbers start to get very small in support.

01:42:59.300 Yet you have these politicians who are trying to out left each other like Cuomo.

01:43:05.480 Now he's just doing this because he wants to run for president.

01:43:07.880 And he's saying, I won't sign a budget until we have abortion all the way to the last moment.

01:43:16.440 How is that going to play out?

01:43:19.920 Is, do they see something that I'm missing, Matt?

01:43:22.800 I guess that's another difference with the tea party because remember how crazy we were.

01:43:27.560 We wanted to balance the budget.

01:43:29.040 Right.

01:43:29.520 And that was, it was so crazy that that 95% of America probably agreed with us.

01:43:34.520 And, and we were pushing Republicans to do things that they said they were going to do

01:43:38.620 things that they want elections on things that they took Congress and control of Congress

01:43:42.620 with.

01:43:43.640 Um, uh, it strikes me that, that progressive elites, um, they're, they're sort of covering

01:43:51.000 up their real agenda because they know it's not popular.

01:43:54.780 And that of course, it goes back to Alinsky, you know, Alinsky style politics is not designed

01:44:00.060 to help the people do the things that the people want.

01:44:02.260 And it's designed to sort of, uh, fool people into doing things they wouldn't have otherwise

01:44:06.000 done.

01:44:06.560 Matt Kibbe, um, officially now on blaze TV.

01:44:11.220 When's your show start?

01:44:13.040 Full time?

01:44:13.640 As, as, as soon as we can.

01:44:17.320 It'll, it'll, it'll, we're, we already shot an episode and, and I'm, I'm building out,

01:44:22.700 uh, a new, uh, a new studio and it's going to happen soon.

01:44:25.720 Great.

01:44:26.300 Matt Kibbe.

01:44:26.900 Always good to talk to you.

01:44:27.720 Good to be back.

01:44:28.100 Thank you.

01:44:28.480 Um, Matt Kibbe now on the blaze TV, make sure you join us.

01:44:32.540 Uh, the voices are, uh, very disparate and, uh, and yet all have the same principles.

01:44:40.200 And I was watching some shows last night.

01:44:42.260 I don't know if you've seen Kevin Freeman, uh, economic war room.

01:44:45.280 That thing is off the charts.

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01:46:08.560 Laura Wilkerson had her son, Joshua murdered by an illegal alien in 2010.

01:46:14.540 We talked to her about the border situation coming up.

01:46:18.620 Um, I absolutely, I hate the fact that I'm going to do this interview, um, or that I

01:46:34.080 have to do this interview, that I think this interview is important.

01:46:37.220 Laura Wilkerson is, um, she's a wife and a mom.

01:46:54.000 She and her husband owned a, a plumbing shop.

01:46:58.180 It's a suburb of Houston and Perlin, Texas.

01:47:02.760 And her son, her youngest son, 18 at the time, uh, was brutally murdered, tortured to death

01:47:17.680 by an illegal.

01:47:22.040 And, um, we have her on the phone to talk about the border wall.

01:47:27.360 Um, Laura, how are you?

01:47:29.860 I'm good.

01:47:30.500 Thank you.

01:47:30.880 Thank you for having me.

01:47:32.640 Um, I do not want to put you in.

01:47:35.400 I can't, I can't imagine what your life is like.

01:47:37.720 Um, and having to, uh, talk about this all the time.

01:47:42.400 Um, so I'm going to, you tell the story in any way that you feel comfortable telling the story.

01:47:49.020 Um, certainly, um, we, we did, we have three children and Josh was our youngest son and

01:47:55.300 he was 18, a senior in high school.

01:47:57.620 And we sent him to school one day and apparently during that day, a classmate asked for a ride

01:48:02.340 home from, from Josh and Josh said yes and gave it to him.

01:48:06.300 And Josh never came home that day.

01:48:08.300 And so I knew immediately something was wrong.

01:48:10.640 I guess it's mother's instinct or, you know, Josh was always that kid of mine that I always

01:48:14.780 knew where he was.

01:48:15.620 Um, so anyway, I went looking around town for him and I, um, did not find him.

01:48:21.640 I went by the police station to make sure there wasn't any, you know, accidents or something

01:48:24.700 and went by school to make sure he was there.

01:48:27.400 At any point I found a, his, I was coming home to start really, you know, trying to see

01:48:32.760 what I could do.

01:48:33.360 And I looked over and saw his trucks sitting in the back by a dumpster, kind of behind a

01:48:38.160 strip center.

01:48:38.600 And I, I went over there and looked at it and I could tell something was wrong with it.

01:48:42.160 So called my husband, called police and they came down and, um, shortly after that, they

01:48:47.440 opened the dumpster and asked me to come over and, you know, see if these were Joshua's

01:48:51.740 things.

01:48:52.260 And they were, it was his shoes and his backpack and all the stuff that had come out of, you

01:48:56.580 know, his truck.

01:48:58.320 And, uh, so we stood there in that parking lot for hours.

01:49:00.860 You know, I was wondering if Josh was in there and, uh, finally they sent us home and they

01:49:05.200 took his, um, his truck as, you know, as evidence and made it a crime scene and then sent us home

01:49:11.560 to wait.

01:49:12.200 And, uh, that morning, about three in the morning, they came back and said they had a suspect

01:49:16.520 in custody and that they wanted us, we're going to look for him all the next day.

01:49:20.280 So we spent the next day, whole day looking for him.

01:49:22.280 And finally he gave up where he had put Joshua's body and, um, told where it was.

01:49:28.520 And so they found him, um, he was brought here from Belize by his parents when he was

01:49:35.940 10.

01:49:37.260 And we found out at trial that, um, you know, he just overstayed, I guess his visa.

01:49:42.400 But when we finally, two years to bring him to trial, first he was incompetent.

01:49:45.740 So we had to send him away and force medicine on him.

01:49:48.080 And then we brought him back jury trial.

01:49:50.080 He's confident.

01:49:51.420 Um, and then we went straight to the criminal trial.

01:49:53.720 And at that point, the, the, um, killer got on the stand and told us exactly how he murdered

01:49:58.520 Josh.

01:49:58.980 And he said, you know, I, um, I first need him so hard in the stomach.

01:50:03.020 And when he did it, it sliced Joshua's spleen.

01:50:05.700 And next he took a closet rod and beat him in the head with it until the rod broke in four

01:50:11.300 pieces.

01:50:12.300 And he told us that Josh kept trying to get up off the ground and, um, and he didn't want

01:50:18.440 him to.

01:50:19.020 So he strangled him and he said, you know, bloody bubbles were coming out of his nose.

01:50:24.340 And, you know, as a mother, you sit there and you hear that and you think, you know,

01:50:27.340 he's struggling to breathe and grasping.

01:50:30.400 And then he strangled him over and over, um, until death.

01:50:35.820 And then he tied him up with 13 loops of rope around his neck and to his hands and feet

01:50:44.100 down behind his back.

01:50:45.280 And he put him in our truck and he drove around town and bought, um, $2 worth of gasoline.

01:50:52.000 And then he set him in a field and he put his ID and wallet, you know, eight or 10 feet

01:50:58.440 away from the body, I guess, wanting someone to know who he was.

01:51:01.380 And then he set him on fire after death.

01:51:12.960 I, I, I, um, I, I, uh, I'm sorry, uh, Laura, I can't imagine.

01:51:20.940 And, um, um, I, I just, uh, uh, my daughter went into the hospital.

01:51:27.720 I have one daughter today in the hospital for, um, looking at brain surgery and I have another

01:51:33.320 daughter who was in, in, in, uh, the hospital for something else this weekend.

01:51:38.000 And I, I, I can't imagine losing my children natural causes.

01:51:43.920 Um, yes, uh, I just, I, I, I don't know how you, I don't know how you, um, uh, deal with

01:51:51.360 it.

01:51:52.260 Um, now, um, you lived in Houston, uh, for a while and, um, this was a guy, he was kind

01:52:01.200 of a dreamer, wasn't he?

01:52:02.420 I mean, he would have fallen under the dream act description.

01:52:05.600 I believe so.

01:52:06.860 Yeah.

01:52:07.020 He fit that dream kid description because he was brought here, I think under the age of

01:52:10.540 16 is what I'm thinking it was.

01:52:12.780 And, um, and then just, you know, he was brought here young and then overstayed, I guess what

01:52:17.800 maybe he had six months of visa.

01:52:19.300 You know, it's hard to find out for me to find out anything about him.

01:52:22.800 Uh, whereas if you're an American citizen, about 10 minutes, you're going to know everything

01:52:25.880 about, you know, you or I, that's another part of the problem, you know, but that's as

01:52:31.700 far as I know.

01:52:32.340 So, yes, he was brought here by his parents, uh, when he was 10 and then overstayed, um, you

01:52:39.500 know, when, when the, um, police first went to his parents' home and said, you know, your

01:52:44.800 son has killed, you know, this boy and his father said, well, I have a ticket to Belize

01:52:49.960 that I've had for three weeks and I'm, I'm using it.

01:52:52.600 You know, um, he did not end up using that, but that was, you know, it wasn't about, um,

01:52:57.900 you know, what, what kid, what are you talking about?

01:52:59.820 How could my kid ever, you know, it was none of that.

01:53:01.620 It was, I have a ticket that I've had for three weeks and I'm going, I'm going to use

01:53:06.360 it for his son or for him, for him and he just didn't.

01:53:13.280 So that was his response.

01:53:14.820 What are you talking about?

01:53:16.040 My kid killed somebody, you know what?

01:53:17.700 It was just a response that I thought said everything it needed to say about, about him,

01:53:23.540 you know, his parents even.

01:53:25.460 So Laura, don't talk to the politicians and I don't care about the politicians.

01:53:29.420 And, and, and, um, just talk to a mom or a dad right now.

01:53:37.480 I, I assume that you don't hate all immigrants and you don't hate, uh, you know, Hispanics

01:53:44.840 or anything else.

01:53:46.560 Um, talk to a parent on why the conversation that we're having right now is so important.

01:53:55.520 And I mean, as a country and why a, a border fence, a border wall is imperative.

01:54:05.980 Yes, it is imperative.

01:54:08.000 You know, you, and I can't explain really, there's not, not words to even explain to you

01:54:13.680 the depth of the pain when something like this happens, when you lose a child in any, anything,

01:54:19.440 but then you add the trauma and the violence and the knowledge that he shouldn't have been

01:54:25.160 in this country in the first place.

01:54:27.300 And you're absolutely, you die that day.

01:54:30.720 You know, I died that day to who I was and you have to, it was as down too much as learning

01:54:35.980 to breathe again and crawl again and walk again and stand up again.

01:54:39.860 And it's, it's a rebuilding of our lives that will take forever, um, to do.

01:54:46.880 And the pain, it's just, it's just the soul pain that it goes so deep.

01:54:50.800 You can't hardly even describe it.

01:54:54.000 Um, and, and we've got to have, you know, it's imperative to have the border because we

01:55:00.620 have a right as American citizens to know who's in this country with us.

01:55:04.120 And, and he didn't, he, did he come across the border illegally?

01:55:07.780 Did he, did he make that trek across the border?

01:55:12.500 Do you even know?

01:55:13.940 His parents had a six month visa for him and they, and it overstated.

01:55:19.380 Right.

01:55:19.580 So it's, it's, it's not, and this is, I think really important to point out.

01:55:24.820 This isn't just about a border wall or a border fence.

01:55:28.320 This is about fixing this problem, knowing who is here.

01:55:33.720 We've known that people are overstaying their visa since nine 11.

01:55:36.960 That was the biggest problem.

01:55:38.080 We haven't fixed that.

01:55:39.020 Even doesn't seem like anybody cares about, and I don't mean to, because you know, this

01:55:46.300 isn't true, but it feels like no one cares about people like you.

01:55:51.360 Oh, absolutely.

01:55:52.620 You know, and I, and I do know it's not true.

01:55:54.300 I mean, that's the only way I've made it through is that, you know, God has assured

01:55:57.720 me that, you know, of where Joshua is today and, and that he will get me through this.

01:56:03.700 And, and that's the, that's the, you know, the security that I have, but you're right.

01:56:08.840 We have a right to know.

01:56:09.880 I mean, I can't fly to Austin from Houston to Austin without a driver's license that,

01:56:13.820 you know, what it took to get that and what you have to maintain, you know, you don't

01:56:16.860 have, you can't have a thousand tickets and have a driver's license.

01:56:19.680 And, you know, you work to just follow the law.

01:56:22.400 That's what you do as an American citizen.

01:56:23.680 You do it or you don't get the privileges to drive, to fly, to, you know, those things.

01:56:28.300 And I just don't understand why they would want to give it away in even leniency on those

01:56:34.140 things to people that have already committed the crime of coming in this country or overstaying

01:56:38.400 a visa.

01:56:40.640 Have you, have you talked to President Trump?

01:56:45.000 I have.

01:56:46.360 Yes, I've talked to him on.

01:56:47.920 Have you, have you talked to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer?

01:56:51.520 Have they ever talked to him?

01:56:53.680 I was able to tell my story to Nancy Pelosi once.

01:56:57.040 In Congress, but in a hearing?

01:57:00.060 No, it was a town hall and I happened to be in the audience and her response to me was

01:57:04.600 that she was sorry and that thanks for channeling my energy, but that everyone in her sanctuary

01:57:11.340 city was a law-abiding citizen.

01:57:13.140 That was her answer to me.

01:57:14.160 Yeah, but no, yeah, they don't want, they know, they know, I mean, they absolutely know

01:57:21.680 what's happened and what's happening, but they, they just don't want you to think they

01:57:26.120 know, you know, they, they want to seem oblivious to it, but everybody knows.

01:57:30.200 I mean, so many more people have died than in 9-11, you know, from, from illegals in this

01:57:38.120 country, that it's, um, it's mind-boggling that that's so easily forgotten how just a

01:57:43.560 couple, you know, nine of them that got in and, and stayed a while and, you know, hated

01:57:47.680 America for a lot to do that.

01:57:50.640 I, I, I, uh, I, I tell you, uh, um, I mean, I, I don't have anything like this in my life,

01:57:59.320 um, but I have done enough homework and, and I scream at the television, uh, and people

01:58:05.280 on both sides and I, I can't imagine it being as personal as it is for you, um, and, and how

01:58:13.040 you just don't understand when this is all just common sense.

01:58:16.440 All of this is common sense.

01:58:18.380 It's absolutely common sense.

01:58:20.420 I just think, you know, you can't hardly get it across what it does to American families.

01:58:25.000 You know, um, they're broken in so many ways, you know, of our own making divorce and stuff

01:58:30.200 and this right here just devastates a family.

01:58:32.140 You're, you know, you're, it's absolutely the most devastating thing that I could ever

01:58:35.960 imagine and being, you know, able to live.

01:58:38.740 If there's anything, this greater pain, you know, I don't think I'd live through it.

01:58:43.680 I can't imagine what's worse.

01:58:46.440 How's George, your husband?

01:58:48.480 He's doing well.

01:58:49.620 You know, we're all learning to put life back together and that comes with a lot of, um,

01:58:53.780 aggravation and overwhelmed and you can't really do the job that you used to do.

01:58:59.740 And, you know, it's, it's just a mix of all of it.

01:59:01.980 And, uh, you never know what you're going to get when you wake up.

01:59:04.460 If it's going to be kind of an angry day or a sad day and you just have to learn to live

01:59:11.940 it.

01:59:12.480 I, uh, I'm going to get yelled at by my producers who are always telling me I'm out of time,

01:59:16.960 but, um, can I just take a minute with you and just ask you this?

01:59:20.340 Tell me who your son was.

01:59:22.060 Josh was just a really, really quiet, good kid.

01:59:26.920 He'd never been in trouble.

01:59:28.900 You know, he was learning what he wanted to do to life.

01:59:31.240 He thought he might go in the air force like his brother.

01:59:33.800 And he just was a good kid.

01:59:35.460 He was very compassionate.

01:59:37.040 You know, he died doing exactly what we taught him to do.

01:59:39.940 We, I would never have told him not to, to give somebody a ride home.

01:59:42.680 You know, he, he was the most compassionate, quiet kid, but he, he really had a close relationship

01:59:49.840 with, with Jesus.

01:59:50.940 You know, sometimes he would say things to me and I would just go, Ooh, you know, I knew

01:59:54.480 that came from, from Jesus to him and, and not from me.

01:59:57.620 And he really, really was just a good kid.

02:00:00.380 Uh, he, you know, very quiet.

02:00:01.800 I think that's why people in this community were just so alarmed about it because he, he

02:00:06.180 didn't have an enemy that I can think of.

02:00:08.580 Um, he just didn't.

02:00:10.440 Laura, thank you.

02:00:11.600 Sorry to put you through that.

02:00:13.400 Thank you.

02:00:13.900 Oh, thank you.

02:00:14.780 God bless.

02:00:15.700 Laura Wilkerson, uh, an angel mom.

02:00:19.080 And, uh, you can visit the website enforce the law.org.

02:00:24.080 You want to know why we, the government is closed because it's time we listen to people

02:00:29.180 like that.

02:00:36.740 2019.

02:00:37.960 Um, a lot of things are, uh, a lot of things are happening.

02:00:41.060 Um, Bitcoin and cryptocurrency, not where we thought it would be in, uh, you know, definitely

02:00:49.160 not in 2017, uh, or 2018.

02:00:52.300 Uh, it's very volatile.

02:00:54.140 And what's amazing about it is it's, I think it's the confidence level that people have.

02:00:59.800 They were, you know, burned by and they're like, Whoa, that went kind of crazy.

02:01:03.760 Well, yeah, that it's volatile.

02:01:05.560 It's that's what that does, but it hasn't crashed and gone away.

02:01:09.340 That's what's really amazing.

02:01:10.580 Pets.com went away.

02:01:12.800 This is real.

02:01:13.960 So what happens to Bitcoin?

02:01:17.520 What happens to blockchain?

02:01:18.840 Well, I want you to take a course on cryptocurrency and blockchain.

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02:02:04.500 I want to play, uh, audio from CNN, uh, CNN correspondent interviewing, uh, David Webb,

02:02:13.160 a conservative, uh, about race.

02:02:15.760 Listen, I never considered my color the issue.

02:02:20.020 I considered my qualifications, the issue.

02:02:22.780 Well, David, you know, that, that's a whole nother long conversation about white privilege

02:02:27.880 and things that you have the privilege of doing that people of color don't have the privilege

02:02:34.200 of.

02:02:34.680 How do I have the privilege of white privilege?

02:02:38.160 David, by virtue of being a white male, you have white privilege with this whole long

02:02:42.700 conversation.

02:02:43.360 I don't have time to get to it.

02:02:44.280 Areva, I hate to break it to you, but you should have been better prepped.

02:02:48.640 I'm black.

02:02:50.460 Okay.

02:02:51.120 Then I stand.

02:02:52.440 You went to white privilege.

02:02:54.300 This is the fall suit in this.

02:02:57.580 That's an amazing clip.

02:02:59.780 It is.

02:03:00.200 You can't even have a conversation without race.

02:03:02.900 And soon as race is introduced and you're wrong, uh, I gotta go.

02:03:07.740 I, I don't, I mean, it's, it's truly remarkable.

02:03:11.480 Truly remarkable.

02:03:19.060 You're listening to Glenn Beck.

02:03:21.520 You're listening to Glenn Beck.

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