Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely ｜ Guests： John Douglas, Dave Rubin, & Blake J. Harris ｜ 5⧸9⧸19
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In this episode of The Glenbeck Program, we have a special guest on the show, John Douglas. John Douglas is the author of The History of the Future and his new book, The Future of the Past is out now. He's also the host of the New York Times bestseller, My Life on the Inside . And he's been a regular contributor to the NY Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. In this episode, he joins us to talk about why we must provide health care to the millions of people who are here illegally.
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well looks like uh once again he was right in fact it's worse now we have joe biden
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boy we've got a great show for you today uh we have uh we have john douglas is going to be on with us
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you may not know his name but if you read the new york times bestseller or saw what is it i think
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a netflix show mind hunter this is the guy who has interviewed david berkowitz ted bundy john wayne
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gacy charles manson uh lynette from uh edmund kemper james earl ray sirhan sirhan richard speck
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i mean all of them he's the guy who started the um uh the behavioral science at the fbi it's going
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to be a fascinating interview also dave rubin is going to be joining us today uh and blake j harris
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uh more on facebook and and his book the history of the future coming up but i want to i want to start
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with can we play the audio of of joe biden where he is he is talking compassionately here about how
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america must now provide health care for people who are here illegally look i think that anyone who
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is in a situation where they're in need of health care regardless of whether they're documented or
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undocumented we have an obligation to see that they're cared for that's why i think we need more
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clinics around the country and this idea that undocumented and by the way a significant portion
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undocumented folks in this country are there because they've overstayed their visas it's not
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people breaking down gates coming across the border okay stop either way it doesn't matter
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here's the thing if you want socialized medicine then you must have a secure border
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we cannot do both you want open borders great private medicine but you cannot open the borders
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and say anybody who's sick come to america because then we're healing the world and we will not have
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the resources to heal anybody in a very short period of time that's just math and i know that math
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doesn't really work for socialists right now but in the end the gods of the copybook headings
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will teach us that two and two do indeed always equal four yeah i mean this is amazing you have uh
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a a society that is trying to do both right i mean even libertarians and there are some libertarians
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who kind of not open borders but argue for much you know many libertarians are open borders some of them
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might even say they're open borders but the reason is well we don't have to support them we can do we
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don't we don't we don't have to have these giant programs we don't want them correct so if you don't
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have socialist medicine if you don't have free health care for everybody if you don't have
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a requirement to treat every person at a hospital that needs to be treated or educate right every kid
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that comes in right financially it's still it's not it's not a problem now there's other reasons why
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you might not want to do that but financially it doesn't become as big a problem because well i mean
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look if you're not giving away all this money right there's still employment and concerns and
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everything else uh but this is the way it goes every single time and you have to put your you have
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to understand and i don't think many of the younger you know millennials and younger who are suddenly
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embracing socialism realize what underlies that what underlies all of socialism is your dedication to
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the state it's the state as your god and that is really where this you know where this ends up you
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can sit back and say well i want this program and i want this program but once things start going wrong
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the socialist government that you've given all this power to has no other option but to protect itself
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at all costs and that dedication winds up killing a hundred million people in a century or so right
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we've seen this before there's a great new series on hbo uh called chernobyl have you seen this yet
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i haven't i've seen the i've seen the ads for it but i will tell you this is a great way assuming that
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it's good i know you've seen it so assuming that it is is good this is a great way to teach our kids
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who did not live through the soviet union teach our kids and our grandkids exactly what it's like
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to live in a socialist country remember it's not really communists you know the communists oh they
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didn't do communism right no that's right that's why it was the ussr soviet socialist states okay so
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it was not communism because that's the higher law it was socialist and so when you see what a real
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socialist state was and chernobyl is a great example yeah of what happens and it's also a great example
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of what happens to the regular people because the regular people who are in the society they might
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not be you know socialist uh ideologues right they are people who are just trying to make a living and
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they're living under what is i believe a terrible system and many of the people in the soviet union
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during chernobyl were heroes the people who were working there the people who came in to try to stop
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it firefighters firefighters i mean and they they talk about this and they show it uh in great detail of
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what they went through and what they were asked to do um but let me give you this this part this is
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amazing so there to set the scene chernobyl's happened the nuclear meltdown in you know soviet in
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the soviet union ukraine and they are talking about uh what do we do now they have not come to the point
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where they realized how bad it was or had admitted to themselves how bad it was and they're just starting
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to have those first conversations back and forth about you know most people are saying oh it's a
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fire and it's mostly out and the other side saying look i don't i don't think i think we should evacuate
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the town i mean this looks this looks a lot worse than we thought it was and we should get the people
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out of the town and so the there's a the two sides of this arguing back and forth at this table as
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they're planning for for what happens to the people in the community and as this is all going on
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uh an old guy an old socialist an old school guy taps his cane on the floor and silences the room
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and gives this speech it's amazing listen to this i wonder how many of you know the name of this place
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we will call it chernobyl of course what is its real name the vladimir i lenin nuclear power station
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especially you young man and the passion you have for the people
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for is that not the sole purpose of the apparatus of the state
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now the state tells us the situation here is not dangerous
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the state tells us it wants to prevent a panic listen well
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it's true when the people see the police they will be afraid
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that when the people ask questions that are not in their own best interest
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they should simply be told to keep their minds on their labor
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that is how we keep the people from undermining the fruits of their own labor
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we will all be rewarded for what we do here tonight
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they don't let the people undermine their fruits of their own labor
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when they ask questions that are not in their best interests
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we talked because he was one of the first guys in the former soviet union
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yeah a friend of mine works with a bunch of millennials
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chimes in behind me he's he's sitting up on top of
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a cardinal I'm six foot two and he's six two as
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well but he still wants to dominate you know over me
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and you let him do it and he said I didn't I didn't
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and using street terms what he did to those girls and I
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said I know I said it was just the the one on the
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couch and he says you're crazy man you ought to be in
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here you're with us I mean you're just like us and
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I'm really not just like him but I have to show
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lying to you Glenn if I tell you at the end of the
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day when I have to come back to my own family and at
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the time and then the young children you know that
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have and that you may have flashbacks you may even
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be in bed with your wife one night and and and you're
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thinking that some amorous type of thing you may want to
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be doing but now you're thinking about some horrific
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case that you're oh my god you're working on and it's
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really uh it's dangerous to your health all right I want
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to I want to take a I assume you don't tell her to tell
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her that on date night you know like oh honey yeah you
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John I'm going to take a quick break for about a minute
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and then we're going to come back and continue our
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conversation but I just have to thank you for what
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you've endured as a as a human being for all of our
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sakes uh you know you you put up with both sides the law
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and the devil uh and uh and took a lot of grief and and
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thank you for for standing and doing that oh thank you back
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i could spend hours with this guy uh john douglas yeah i'd like to john i'd love to uh fly into
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town so we could do a podcast together and just sit without commercial interruption and just and
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just talk i'll be up there uh pretty soon oh good uh yeah i'll be coming up to mid uh next week
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as a matter of fact i'll be up there wow okay well yeah uh i'd love to talk to you um so so john um
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you know i met one of the reporters one of the few people that have been allowed to really do
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interviews um with charles manson and he said he used some of the tactics that you had um used and
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um and he said that charles manson is he said you end up liking him uh and he said you don't you know
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that you're being manipulated he said but he's so good at it and he said it just kind of it just
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eats at you because you you you catch yourself going i like this guy oh my gosh it's charles manson
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did that ever happen to you with uh with with manson he is a very charismatic individual and
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when i went into the did the interview with him i once again had nothing no notes or anything like
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that but i memorized some of this his sayings that he would say the george spawn ranch when he would
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sit up on top of a boulder lecturing to his his uh followers the so-called manson uh manson family
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uh but uh again he's five foot two was really shocking when i first saw him the size of him
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his iq is around about 120 which is pretty you know pretty good but he is a master uh manipulator
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uh he's not some criminal mastermind he's more of a criminal uh or a manipulator of of whoever he's
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going to be speaking to and and again when you're on a fact-finding mission you let the guy the guy
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you know talking and he too he sat on top of of a chair looking down at me the big thing with
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charles though was that he said look he said you got to give me something that before i go back into
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the yard that's what are you talking about i said hey look they're gonna know everyone knows you're
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here today fbi you're representing fbi you got to give me something i mean what do you want you know
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you know give me some money give me you got those glasses over there those sunglasses yeah these are
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nice ray-bans you want these i can't give you these you got to give me the ray-ban i got to go go back
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and tell him i i ripped you off so i keep i gave him uh our set of glasses uh that uh that i just got
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recently and so you can go back in the yard and boast to everyone because they did not want to be
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perceived as a you know as a uh snitch but he's a good he's interesting to interview because because
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you just it's just like we may and we did it with later on see other charismatic individuals
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in charge of uh or leading groups like in waco texas or jim jones in indiana
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and you could see how he had this he was he uh he spent most of his life in prison
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and um and he just learned how to use people manipulate people but his big thing he wanted
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to be he really wanted to be uh an entertainer he wanted to be in the beach boys and he's friends
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with danse wilson and that was that was his big big thing and the helter-skelter business
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when you're dealing with a whole bunch of inadequate followers that were gravitating
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toward toward california and he he saw this and the easy uh easy people uh a malleable type of
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people and he could he can shape uh the problem with with that is that these inadequate nobodies
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who want to become a somebody well you can lose control of them and although he was preaching
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this helter-skelter uh they took action they went out out uh on their on their own on the particularly
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the first night the second night when the la bianca was killed he was with him but said hey i gotta
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leave i'm on uh parole i can't stay here for the for the killings i mean what a you know what a great
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guy but it's just uh uh just interesting you know very very interesting you know type of people but
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again the bureau was not for this and there was a lot of pressure uh glenn as particularly as a young
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person you go for a task force and particularly in those early days and you're talking about say
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the trailside killer in new york and i'm telling the i'm telling these this task force there's a
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good chance that this subject has some type of physical ailment or disability i just came back
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on a case and where speech impediment the killer may have a speech impediment what is this okay so
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hang on i think david carpenter who had a speech impediment uh and was able to link him to the case
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so hang hang on just a second if i may hold you over um and go a little longer with this interview
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talking to john douglas he is the author of the killer across the table also the new york times
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best-selling uh book mind hunter he is uh the guy that really they they tell his story in mind hunter
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uh the netflix series which if you haven't seen it it is so well it's creepy it is really creepy but
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it is so well worth your time uh to see what this guy had to do to be able to get us to a point
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to where we are today where we can at least have a profile of these people and understand them that
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was not wanted when he started and he has interviewed david berkowitz ted bundy john wayne gacy
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uh uh charlie manson all of them james earl ray sirhan sirhan richard speck you name it he's been on the
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front line and he has he has given the tips to the investigators to say look for these things
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and it ends up every time that that's exactly um you know what what they what they find um john
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douglas joins us uh again john let me i want to i want to change the subject just a a little bit
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oh i think glenn too i i was just been reminded i have like three minutes here i'm supposed to
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go do something else we have to do something oh my gosh okay well we'll have you we'll have you
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we'll have you back um okay i'll be up in new york i'll tell my publicist if and get on your podcast
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too yeah yeah i'll do your show here i'll be glad to we'd love to uh you know i want to have you back
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because i want to talk to you about the way you're treating people in in your book speaks volumes about
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how we should be treating people uh today but i'll have you back because i think that's a longer
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conversation can you just answer this one question what does what does the the fascination
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with serial killers say about us you have a good reason to do it but when we're watching these shows
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like ted bundy there's no reason for me to watch that what does it say about us well it's the i've
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done this throughout my books i've always mentioned it's y plus how equals wills who when i'm doing a
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non-sub case unknown subject case i'm trying to figure out the who done it now but uh when i go
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into the prisons i know who did the uh the crime so it's it's that you know the why the motivation
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and when i talk to groups when i go out speaking uh these crime uh conferences it's uh where 90
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of the audience are women they want to know they want to know that they have the same uh questions
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and they want to know why what what's what's the purpose what's the motivation here is it sexual
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is it power anger retaliation you know what is it so those are the kind of things that that um
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that i i address in the books and get me back on your show we'll go through a lot of that stuff too
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all right good john we'd love to have you back on uh thank you so much thank you so much
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appreciate it you bet you bet book is uh the killer across the table uh that is that's fascinating
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when i can't wait for that podcast because that's going to be really interesting i could talk to him
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we'll probably have to do two podcasts i'll just have to record i could do three hours with him easy
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i will say too your last question is really interesting because i have i watched the new
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ted bundy movie on netflix i haven't seen it and i with zach afron as the star which my
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wife was curiously interested in this film for some reason uh i don't know why it certainly wasn't uh
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the scene where uh where zach afron shows his naked butt for three seconds that certainly wasn't
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i've noticed on my netflix queue it seems to be paused at that point uh over and over again for
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some reason um but it's uh it was it was first of all really really good and i also watched the ted
01:09:15.080
bundy tapes which is a fascinating story where a journalist goes into to get talk to ted bundy who
01:09:21.380
won't admit these crimes and eventually one of the ways he kind of gets him to admit the crimes is to say
01:09:26.660
just like john was talking about he treated him as an expert he said hey if these killings did happen
01:09:32.360
i know you didn't do them but if these killings did happen how would the killer have done it and then
01:09:37.480
he goes in and explains exactly how these things go on and he explains the crimes and the only way he
01:09:45.500
would know these crimes of course is if he did them you know in a way uh you know he wanted to tell
01:09:51.340
him that he did the crimes but he didn't want to admit it and get himself in more legal trouble
01:09:55.060
but that is i really enjoyed watching those things i enjoy the true crime stuff i i like
01:10:01.220
those shows and there's a part of me that doesn't actually understand what it says about me or why
01:10:07.380
i mean because i'm just watching it for entertainment i'm not looking to bust the
01:10:10.140
next serial killer you know what you know what i found and and maybe this is just me and it's weird
01:10:14.200
um i've i've started watching a lot of stuff from the bbc because i think they're a ahead of us
01:10:21.000
in many ways their shows tend to be really really good sure they're not like upstairs downstairs
01:10:26.980
anymore uh but i i've i've watched a lot of their crime stuff for instance uh killing eve
01:10:35.040
is fantastic and really weird um you know just like you'd like it if you like the ted bundy stuff
01:10:43.840
you'd like this but it's fiction so it makes it it removes it one step okay um and then what i found
01:10:51.920
is i don't like watching like i've never watched any of the uh what is it the ncsi yeah i've never i've
01:11:02.220
never seen any of those not once i've had no desire but i will watch crime shows from the bbc and i think
01:11:09.900
it's because it's not my society it's another escapist almost yeah it's another country so i'm
01:11:20.040
not relating to it it's it's not something that i'm worried about here and so i can watch it more
01:11:27.940
as entertainment does that make sense yeah no it does and it's it's been really shocking because
01:11:34.780
i've been watching these shows which i really enjoy and i would never watch them on on american
01:11:42.100
television i mean i they'll come up on my netflix you should watch this and i'm like never yeah that's
01:11:47.380
like the one i'm always fascinated by is uh law and order svu and it's like i so i this is i was in
01:11:54.900
the my i had someone in the hospital i was at the hospital for several days um as they were very ill
01:12:00.380
and so i was in the waiting room and during the day when normally i would be here working
01:12:05.640
and i'm on i had the tv was on like i think usa or one of these networks where all day they're
01:12:11.760
showing episodes of law and order svu which i've heard of but never watched and i love law and order
01:12:16.880
i've watched it a million times but i'd never really watched law and order svu before and then i just
01:12:20.800
realized this is just a very popular show where every episode a woman gets raped on camera
01:12:26.820
like the entire show svu just means a bunch of rapes that is like it's law and order a bunch of
01:12:33.800
rapes that is the entire series and every series is legitimately starts where some terrible thing
01:12:40.880
happens to some woman and they try to solve the crime and throughout the time they explain to you
01:12:45.840
all these awful awful details about it and i'm like how are people watching this i mean it's well done
01:12:51.460
and you of course have that drama of trying to figure out who it is and law and order is great at that
01:12:56.120
but i mean this is a series that's been like the top 10 shows in america for how long and it's just
01:13:02.920
a collection of sexual assaults that is what it is the entire special victims unit is the sex crimes
01:13:09.400
unit holy crap man that's dark and you watch these things because i like watching documentaries
01:13:15.480
is i like especially i i'm less interested in fiction i like i like watching non-fiction and so
01:13:21.860
watching these documentaries i you can always learn something and take something out we will bring a lot of
01:13:25.940
that stuff to you on the show because there's always something interesting in there but there is that
01:13:30.580
weird fascination that america has with serial killers in particular i think i mean i can't speak for
01:13:37.400
you know uh you know the non-western world but i think at least the western world has that same
01:13:45.900
fascination with serial killers yeah with serial killers and with with gruesome crimes and well there's
01:13:54.440
something about this and it ties directly to the school shooting problem as well which is we make
01:14:00.600
these people into celebrities certainly has nothing to do with what john did he was doing real fbi work
01:14:05.160
and important work to make sure that these things didn't happen again but we we've come to the point
01:14:10.420
where we turn these people into celebrities i know we've taken steps here at the blaze um you know
01:14:15.120
not related serial killer killing is less uh less popular less trendy than it used to be uh but this
01:14:20.700
the mass shooting issue we don't tell you any of their names anymore i can't remember the last time
01:14:25.460
you heard one of their names on this show i mean you're going back before las vegas yeah i don't remember
01:14:31.580
it's been a couple years and we didn't officially institute the policy you know uh until company
01:14:37.140
wide until vegas or a little after vegas but i mean it goes back a long time for us because
01:14:41.180
we've seen the research we've seen that the the copycat thing is a big issue and anything you can
01:14:47.060
do to not make these people get their level of fame who who is the who is the person uh responsible for
01:14:52.120
the last couple of shootings do you have any idea i don't even know but what's sad is i don't know the
01:14:56.060
name off top of my head of the of the heroes of the people who went and stopped them yeah we actually
01:15:01.820
have some stuff coming up on them in the next uh week or so we've planned uh pretend to potentially do
01:15:07.620
some of that because we've seen this recently and it's a sort of a new trend in these crimes where
01:15:12.080
you know it's been sad uh in some cases some cases it has been uh great in that people with guns people
01:15:18.940
with other weapons have chased people away from these mass shootings we've seen the last two things
01:15:23.660
that have happened where unfortunately the person who did it wound up losing their life but stopped
01:15:28.820
the mass shooting went from could have been 20 30 people dead to one now look we want it to be zero
01:15:34.600
obviously and we want all these things to go away and they're heroes but that's heroic and it's also
01:15:39.120
the type of thing that actually winds up ending these trends if you think about uh hijacking for a
01:15:44.740
second we went through multiple decades where anybody who got on a plane with the right weapon or did took
01:15:52.260
over the cockpit could fly that plane to cuba right you could fly the plane to wherever you wanted that's
01:15:56.660
basically what happened in all of those cases and it wasn't until 9 11 where you know where you have
01:16:02.060
the people uh stepping up on on the flight in pennsylvania where they rushed the cabin and they
01:16:07.080
were able to to stop that now no one gets away with that if you go and try to no one's going to
01:16:12.140
try to hijack a plane because they know what and how it ends it ends with you being tackled and subdued
01:16:17.980
i mean it might wind up killing everybody on the plane because no one can fly it it's possible
01:16:21.740
but with the steps they've taken it's unlikely and at some point when you take out the incentive of fame
01:16:27.880
from the mass shooter and you take out the idea you're going to have some big score you're going
01:16:32.920
to be able to outscore all of the other people because yeah you might get somebody but they're
01:16:36.640
going to wind up getting tackled pretty fast and this goes away this is the sort of thing that
01:16:40.280
de-escalates a rising trend in a particular crime and i'm hoping that that is the beginning of this
01:16:46.700
i think a lot of we're not the only ones i know daily wire for example has also taken the same step
01:16:51.140
but they won't mention them and i think a lot of conservative outlets are doing it i'd like to see a new
01:16:55.300
york times or a cnn or an msnbc or some big mainstream organization step to the plate and say
01:17:00.900
we've seen this research we see how many of these people are searching for fame and notoriety and we're
01:17:06.060
no longer going to give it to them they still keep doing it though i i think there's also there's also
01:17:10.700
something else happening um and it happened last night at the colorado vigil for the uh the last
01:17:17.620
shooting and uh that is the people are tired of being used yeah uh for political purposes and
01:17:26.140
we're going to get into that here when we come back let me just pause for a second
01:17:29.520
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the last time we had this kind of unemployment rate that is remarkable and and you know the media is not
01:17:57.880
talking about that but that is a huge huge accomplishment so it's great unless you're
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trying to hire people because you're now going to have a harder time recruiting people it's good
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the smartest way to hire so excuse me we've had a couple of um we've had a couple of shootings
01:19:26.040
uh lately um and they have ended without mass casualties because of heroes um and there was a
01:19:36.520
vigil last night at the highlands ranch the the stem school highlands ranch vigil there and laura reeves
01:19:46.540
from mom's demand action stepped up in the vigil to to address the crowd and here's what happened
01:19:53.780
it is our new reality that we allow families to live in neighborhoods where gunshots can be heard
01:20:00.040
at all hours of the day and that our preschoolers are regularly participating in active shooter drills
01:20:05.840
and i'm also very disappointed to admit that all the generations before yours made this harder
01:20:12.960
we became paralyzed by the nra we did not hold our elected officials accountable as they were
01:20:19.720
loosening the sensible gun regulations that were keeping us safe instead we chose to burden our youth
01:20:26.340
with the responsibility of saving their own lives we forced all of you to learn in an environment that's
01:20:34.100
more closely resembling a prison than a school none of this is right we robbed you of your innocence
01:20:42.200
this caused several kids uh to walk out of the vigil outside of the vigil this is what it sounded like
01:20:53.080
those are students chanting mental health mental health mental health this is this is the answer that no one
01:21:08.500
we'll talk about why we're not talking about it is beyond me no no it's not sorry i apologize we're not
01:21:18.220
talking about it because it doesn't give you any kind of political power to take away guns
01:21:23.380
but the problem is clearly mental health the problem is something in our society has changed now i've got
01:21:33.580
opinions on what's changed in our society but something has changed in our society and people are struggling
01:21:42.340
and they're not finding meaning in life they're finding meaning in death what's causing that taking the guns
01:21:50.660
is only politicizing an issue that is too big to be ignored and last night at the vigil
01:22:00.560
several people uh several people said i've had enough quote we're people not statistics
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what many people don't know about socialism and socialized health care is that our own hhs secretary
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alex azar is actually helping the socialist cause by trying to let foreign countries dictate the price
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of our medicine here in america uh this will inevitably lead to lead to shortages of vital medicines
01:22:29.880
medical research will be set back this is just bad i don't know about you but i don't want foreign
01:22:36.560
governments meddling with my health care that's not what i signed up for uh freedom works is doing
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everything they can to sound the alarm and stop socialized medicine in its tracks but they need your
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help if this is something that you feel passionately about um i think we all kind of feel passionately
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about socialized medicine um please go to freedomworks4me.com and tell secretary azar to
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01:23:25.000
the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment this is the glenbeck program well this is big news for
01:23:35.240
freedom yesterday dave rubin's youtube channel hit the one million mark one million subscribers to put
01:23:43.060
that into perspective he's now lapped uh uh he laps iceland three times there are countries that are
01:23:51.780
not as big as one million youtube subscribers uh and it hasn't been easy youtube has uh habitually
01:24:01.120
demonized episodes of the rubin report yesterday all of a sudden his his count started going down
01:24:07.580
well that was youtube saying we think these people are bots it turns out that youtube has
01:24:13.380
systematically been shredding his legitimate subscribers uh and labeling them as bots which
01:24:20.140
makes his one million subscriber count all the more impressive for independent provocative thinkers like
01:24:27.440
dave rubin it is a constant battle and this dave is currently beating that goliath dave rubin joins us in one minute
01:24:38.980
this is the glenbeck program okay this is the last week that you can get the legal tender bar from
01:24:50.500
gold land gold line uh these are amazing several years ago i went to gold line and told him i wanted a
01:24:57.280
credit card size case so i could have some some gold that in case of an emergency that i would be able to
01:25:06.040
take out you know one of these one tenth of an ounce gold pieces and and barter to be able to get home to
01:25:12.780
my family or whatever if things broke down okay what do you do what do you do and i don't want a full ounce
01:25:20.400
because a full ounce will be way too much if things really went dark and all of a sudden our banking
01:25:28.100
system is closed for a week what do you have well this is from the royal canadian mint they made these
01:25:37.400
legal tender bars it contains 10 individual one tenth of an ounce pure gold bullion they're legal tender
01:25:44.600
bars they're secured in this credit card barter case that slides open it's easy to use and everybody
01:25:50.740
knows that it's legitimate gold because it is marked with the mint and the queen's face
01:25:56.200
with unprecedented levels of u.s debt debt a possible recession at any time with the trade with china with
01:26:06.980
the volatility of the world please get this before they're all gone this is the last week they're
01:26:12.160
almost all gone get them now you can go to goldline.com or call 1-866-GOLDLINE 1-866-GOLDLINE
01:26:21.480
everyone should have at least one of these i believe goldline.com 1-866-GOLDLINE call them now
01:26:31.460
dave rubin how are you sir glenn it's good to be with you where are you like the north pole this is
01:26:47.260
the worst phone connection i've heard since my grandmother are we on a bad connection here i am i'm
01:26:52.960
in my backyard at the moment because la uh at&t service is uh is hit or miss yeah wow wow it's
01:26:59.620
bad let me see if i could let me see if i can shift into no no it's fine it just it just sounds like
01:27:04.600
you're on using on like an old timey phone and a lot of hits it's like i've got a person to person
01:27:09.960
coast to coast call for you mr beck well glenn i have to go on the assumption that you know i've
01:27:16.160
dealing with these problems with youtube that it must be the phone company that's right congratulations
01:27:22.060
on a million subscribers on youtube and i know you have taken uh some pretty big risks uh recently
01:27:30.240
uh to stand up for your principles and and putting your eggs in the youtube basket
01:27:36.700
is really kind of a frightening thing uh and it is paying off for you in some regard uh i know that they
01:27:45.540
demonetize you if if you have anybody that is slightly to the right of bernie sanders
01:27:51.820
i know they flag you immediately well it's pretty crazy what they're doing and you know this is a
01:27:59.360
really really interesting debate that we've discussed a little bit before where it's starting
01:28:04.160
to push my libertarian side which is my which is the core of what i am uh it's pushing my libertarian
01:28:10.920
sides with limits because look these are private companies and in my estimation they can do what
01:28:16.480
they want to do nobody's forcing me to be on youtube i'm voluntarily using their service they
01:28:21.760
provide uh when it when they're doing it right and then people are getting your videos and they're
01:28:26.520
staying subscribed and all those things they're providing an incredible service and all of those
01:28:30.560
things so i i say that primarily but the next part is have these tech companies become so
01:28:37.620
awesomely powerful that we actually can't even grapple with how much information they control how much
01:28:44.080
power they have the the amount of uh connections that they have with the government at this point
01:28:50.680
uh these are all things that we have to think about and you know there is a seemingly really big push i'm
01:28:56.360
seeing on the right right now from conservatives to ask for government intervention don't don't don't
01:29:01.660
bad idea bad idea so look i get why in the short term people think this will be good because it
01:29:09.220
does seem that conservatives are getting banned more but you have to always take you know a couple
01:29:14.060
steps down the road with these things and the point is well if you hand over the power to the government
01:29:18.640
i mean first off the idea that the government could run tech companies or regulate tech companies i
01:29:22.860
mean when was the last time you were on a government website it looks like aol in 1994 so so that that's
01:29:28.540
just like the easy version of it but the real issue of course is that so let's say you hand over
01:29:33.520
the power to the government to regulate or to be in charge of these tech companies or break them up or
01:29:38.860
whatever it is well the government now a trump you know conservative presidency might be friendly to
01:29:44.520
conservatives right now but what happens if the democratic socialists get in power and now they've got
01:29:50.040
the tech companies we know they have the tech companies and now they've got the government too i mean
01:29:54.200
how quickly do you think they'll be banning all of the people that they deem to be uh you know nazis
01:29:59.920
and white supremacists and the rest of it so that's where you know i know you know this but that of course is
01:30:03.800
where you really have to be leery of of using power until the absolute last second first of all um
01:30:12.420
you know regulation you know when when mark zuckerberg comes out and is begging for regulation you know
01:30:20.400
it's in his best interest at facebook to have regulation and the reason why is because they
01:30:25.880
will come to those people and those companies and say how do we regulate and they will write the laws
01:30:31.420
which will take all competition and crush any possible contender uh to their throne on top of that
01:30:39.740
if we get them and we we go to them and say how do we regulate you and they get their regulation
01:30:47.140
it will not only crush all competition but on top of it it will then make the bill of rights absolutely
01:30:55.780
worthless because these are companies that are private and so they do have a right but if they're
01:31:03.740
the backbone and because of regulation that's really all our choice they can ban any voice and you have
01:31:11.980
nowhere to go because the bill of rights does not apply to them it will apply to the government
01:31:19.780
so this is the the catch-22 and i think for people like us that put liberty before everything else i
01:31:26.300
think this is the tricky spot that we're in because look but you know glenn you built an incredible company
01:31:30.660
using using digital uh properties right like i'm on youtube we use we do podcasts and all sorts of
01:31:37.860
things now the simple truth is uh you probably have some extra protections because of the way
01:31:42.660
i think you have a technology arm of the blaze so some of your stuff yes proprietary but which is
01:31:47.620
which is actually probably the way all creators should be going ultimately and i've been i've been
01:31:51.860
researching a little bit into that but the point is that right this moment as we're talking technically
01:31:56.900
there's nothing that i can do to stop youtube from just shutting me off and and itunes kicking me out
01:32:03.180
and the rest of it correct and it's like that is that is a truly truly awesome power that they have
01:32:09.280
especially as we know that all of this seems to be getting ramped up to 2020 so it's putting all of us
01:32:15.220
especially the liberty-minded folks in a in a really weird position and and what i'm afraid of is i'm seeing
01:32:21.420
too many conservatives just you know chomp at the bit here and say you know regulate regulate regulate
01:32:27.260
and it it will just be used together now that being said you know creating the competition so
01:32:33.020
for for people like us that believe in competition right we believe in human ingenuity we believe we
01:32:37.260
can we can solve problems and i would always rather the free market solving i mean there's still a major
01:32:42.260
issue here which is that the amount of money and resources uh to to solve these problems is so massive
01:32:48.800
and you know there's blockchain technologies and all sorts of interesting things that are that are
01:32:52.940
still sort of years away from being mass adopted so we're just at a unique point and you know
01:33:00.020
hopefully hopefully those of us that are doing good work uh and and trying to get some truth out there
01:33:05.340
you know hopefully it's not being turned against us just yet but you just don't know you really don't
01:33:11.100
um dave i want to make a pitch for somebody um there is a guy who's wrote uh who who wrote the book
01:33:18.380
uh the history of the future his name is blake harris do you know who he is you know his name has come
01:33:24.980
across every now and again i get i get messages suddenly and a few people have messaged me about him
01:33:30.100
you need to have him on um i've had him on several times and the story that he tells he's just like you
01:33:37.620
i mean he was a liberal and now he's kind of like wait a minute wait a minute i don't think that's not
01:33:42.620
what i bought into this is i'm on the wrong side um and and he's he's much more of a classic liberal
01:33:49.560
uh very very freedom-minded but he has the inside scoop of what's happening with zuckerberg and
01:33:57.660
facebook he has he has evidence of of laws being uh broken by mike by mark zuckerberg himself
01:34:07.620
uh it's it's incredible and no one in the media is giving him any attention and you know his his
01:34:16.160
books you know one of the first book is being made into it was made into a movie and now a tv show
01:34:21.640
seth rogan is in it yeah yeah so um interesting you know yeah i do i do know who he is he's the guy
01:34:27.420
that wrote the book about oculus and some of the internal documents that were going around yes uh i i will
01:34:33.100
talk to him for sure and it's super interesting and you know that actually brings up a good point uh
01:34:37.280
that's something that i was sort of tweeting about this morning is that the other thing that
01:34:40.180
we're seeing right now you know in an age of fake news it's not just sort of the nonsense that the
01:34:46.260
media puts out that that's fake news and the manipulation and you know quotes where they
01:34:51.200
literally take out the word not at the beginning of the sentence or any other stuff it's also what
01:34:56.260
they refuse to report on so for example this week you know i'm sure you talked about it on your show
01:35:01.380
but brian sims the state rep in pennsylvania who was harassing those little girls outside of the
01:35:06.840
abortion clinic it's like cnn did not even touch that story and that is a type of fake news that
01:35:13.400
we need to be aware of you know that that uh the muslim school in philadelphia where they were
01:35:18.760
literally training jihadists yes there's jihadists also in philadelphia it's like that wasn't touched
01:35:24.820
and it's like if you took the reverse of any of these where this was a christian school or it was a
01:35:30.600
christian man harassing somebody else or a republican or a conservative doing any of these things if you
01:35:35.720
just flip if you flip the immutable characteristics on these things the media would be in an outrage so
01:35:41.300
we need to really recalibrate how how we're looking at media as a whole it's why we that's of course
01:35:46.740
directly related to all the stuff we're talking about with the tech companies it's honestly why
01:35:50.440
we have to talk to one another because we just assume that the democrats that we might know and i'm
01:35:57.300
not talking about the i'm not talking about the activists i'm talking about just the average
01:36:01.340
democrat that we know we think that they know these stories and i did this with riaz patal who is a guy
01:36:08.760
who is very liberal um and after the election i brought him in and i said let me show you these
01:36:15.820
stories i just picked like 10 or 15 stories this is why we were so upset at barack obama and i gave him
01:36:23.640
the stories and i think about eight out of those 10 stories and he's a well-informed guy he had never
01:36:29.700
heard of he he was like what is that i don't even know what that is and it was because of of the
01:36:36.660
editing of the truth yeah and this is the huge problem with you know look we're all walking
01:36:42.200
around with iphones we have access to information in an absolutely unprecedented way a way that i think
01:36:47.560
20 years from now there will be many many studies written on how this changed the human mind and human
01:36:53.340
communication and all of these things uh but you know there there is a risk here in that you know 20
01:36:58.820
years ago when we had abc you know cbs nbc you basically got the same stories out of out of the
01:37:05.080
three networks cable news interrupted and you got a little bit of a widening of that and now we live
01:37:09.700
in a time where the there's basically no safeguards whatsoever now i generally think that's a good
01:37:15.220
thing uh but the problem is that we're all catering it to ourselves and then yes the good because i
01:37:21.900
believe in i know you do too there are still good liberals out there um but they they are having
01:37:28.080
the wool pulled over their eyes and they don't hear these stories and then you know then they see us
01:37:33.280
you know sort of ranting and raving about things and they go ah you know they're they're just nuts
01:37:38.140
you know they're they're aiming the wrong way and it's like this is why what i've always said is if
01:37:42.780
the media would just do a decent job they don't have to do a great job they don't even have to do a
01:37:47.940
good job truly i mean this if they would if they would just be doing a decent job so that i could
01:37:54.000
wake up every morning and look at twitter and not realize that cnn either misquoted several people
01:37:59.200
or you know absolutely ignored a story or whatever it is if they would just not do that then the bunch
01:38:05.240
of us that are on the outside of this uh that are doing this in a youtube space or in a podcast space
01:38:09.800
we wouldn't have as much ammo and i would actually prefer that i would find something else to do with
01:38:14.680
my life i wouldn't mind moving to a farm one day you know yeah me too me too dave congratulations
01:38:20.140
thank you so much we'll talk again god bless my friend i'll see you soon you bet uh dave rubin from
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you know it's really uh there was an article in the atlantic recently charting the percentage of
01:41:13.140
americans who dislike political correctness you know the poll found uh most americans can't stand
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political correctness overwhelmingly most americans cannot stand it except one group
01:41:30.960
progressive activists progressive activists the only ones that strongly back political correctness
01:41:42.380
and only 30 see it as a problem that's amazing i mean how is it ruling our society then i know
01:41:49.060
i mean i'll get on i mean it's not just progressive activists on twitter trying to get everybody fired
01:41:53.360
here's how it is the study found that progressive activists despite their obsession with socialism
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their hatred of the patriarchy and disdain for the rich white men are overwhelmingly rich white and
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over-educated men compared to the rest of the nationally representative polling sample
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progressive activists are much more likely to be rich highly educated and white they are nearly twice as
01:42:18.820
likely uh as the average to make more than a hundred thousand dollars a year they are three times as likely
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to have a postgraduate degree and while 12 percent of the over overall sample in the study is african-american
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only three percent of progressive activists are african-american now where's the diversity there
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the reason why twitter has so much power and such a left bias is because journalists have become
01:42:52.200
masterful at using it as a feedback loop journalists use it as a source a representation of public opinion
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and twitter users who are overwhelmingly and disproportionately progressive activists can
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enjoy a sense of power that they've clearly only dreamt of so it becomes this feedback loop
01:43:14.360
that's why what dave rubin is doing that's why what the blaze is doing that's why you know ben shapiro and
01:43:23.540
what he's doing and and steven crowder and all of us it's why this is so important because twitter is not
01:43:32.620
real life it's not even represent representative of of the actual population and what is it four percent
01:43:41.900
of all people on twitter uh are responsible for 80 percent of the tweets something like that maybe it might
01:43:49.320
even two percent was it two percent okay it was two or four percent responsible for 80 percent of the
01:43:53.520
tweets and remember uh that is not that many people are on even on twitter i mean it rules the new
01:44:00.620
newscasts because it's easy for journalists it's a lazy journalism tool how do i get a quote about the
01:44:06.080
story i used to have to call i used to have to you know get in touch with somebody used to have to make
01:44:10.200
you know walk up to someone with a with a with a microphone now let's go to twitter what do they tweet
01:44:14.440
about it okay there it is pop it in the story so journalists love it it makes their lives a lot easier
01:44:19.040
but i mean it's a very small percentage of people who are even on twitter let alone following it closely
01:44:24.040
and that's what media is reflecting this is a parabolic dish it's not a straight mirror it's a it's a
01:44:33.680
it's a distortion of reality it's a funhouse mirror because that is not reflective of the american people
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you're listening to glenn beck you know people say it can't happen here but i'm telling you it is
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happening here we are running straight toward venezuela how could we possibly have venezuela
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happening honduras all of these countries just riddled with poverty they're all rushing to our
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borders venezuela venezuela is in full-fledged collapse and it is everything every leftist ever
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wanted they got in venezuela and how is it we're still running towards it you don't think it can't
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happen here it is happening here bernie sanders is number two and look at everybody else they're all
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well we've had we've had some amazing guests on today uh in case you missed any of the show go back
01:46:21.500
listen to the the podcast we had john douglas on he is the original mind hunter if you're if you've
01:46:27.940
watched the netflix show mind hunter uh you know exactly why that was a fascinating interview um uh
01:46:36.300
he's he's gonna come back uh we we had about 35 minutes with him and i could talk to him for four
01:46:41.980
hours uh he is the author of the book mind hunter uh the and the new book the killer across the table
01:46:49.280
uh he has talked to every serial killer he's the fbi guy that started behavioral science uh or really
01:46:56.320
really kind of made it what it is today um so we had him on dave rubin just a second ago we have
01:47:03.280
blake j harris on uh with us now he is the author of the book the history of the future and uh and
01:47:11.300
welcome to it how are you i am great and in part perhaps largely in part because of of you guys and
01:47:19.080
and what you did for me to help get the word out about the book a few weeks ago it really
01:47:23.380
it's career changing and therefore life changing because my life to my life is my career yeah that's
01:47:29.800
that's nice of you to say but you deserve it the book is fantastic and if we lived in a fair world
01:47:36.180
uh it would have been reviewed uh and would have been everywhere uh because of the information in it
01:47:42.160
is phenomenal not only is it just riveting story about one of the greatest entrepreneurs
01:47:47.180
uh i think in you know in the last five years at least and there's you know we're talking about
01:47:53.380
elon musk and you know some crazy entrepreneurs palmer lucky he's this guy who is you know was a kid
01:48:01.160
and broke the code for uh vr and and came up with oculus what were you guys doing when you were 19 years
01:48:09.500
old yeah not that i certainly wasn't starting a multi-billion dollar company yeah uh and so you
01:48:15.140
started to do that story uh and halfway through the election happens and palmer is for trump
01:48:24.080
and all these things are started to be said by facebook people and others about palmer you
01:48:31.780
know those things aren't true uh and you start to find out that some of the people that you really
01:48:40.160
had high hopes on and facebook and and mark zuckerberg were not what you thought and they
01:48:46.520
were actually pretty nefarious yeah absolutely i mean and that in particular in two regards one was
01:48:52.700
with palmer and the story that i was covering uh you know said palmer posted that he would be
01:48:58.200
supporting gary johnson in the 2016 election um which by the way he did end up voting for gary johnson
01:49:04.840
not not of his own choice but because it was suggested to him by the lawyers that because
01:49:11.720
they had a trial coming up it would be best for him to follow through with his statement
01:49:16.900
you are kidding me why i am not kidding you so i guess it i guess it wasn't a lie that he was
01:49:21.880
supporting gary johnson it just wasn't his own will since the statement had been written by mark
01:49:25.600
zuckerberg and you have to tell the story about how you figured out it was not palmer lucky because this
01:49:31.160
this is just a great piece of journalism right here yeah it is i mean he wrote to me i wrote you
01:49:37.200
something and he writes to me and he's like by the way uh this because of the way you write your emails
01:49:45.320
this is how i figured out that palmer had not written that i'm like what yeah so so what that
01:49:53.200
actually means is that most people after the end of a sentence will use one space after a period but
01:50:00.200
but people who grew up with typewriters and for some reason palmer lucky use two spaces you know
01:50:06.240
you use two spaces and um and so palmer's post in which he said he was going to be supporting gary
01:50:12.840
johnson which was suspicious to me anyway because i knew we had talked so many hours about why he
01:50:18.060
supporting trump uh palmer's post had one space which was the first time on any of his facebook posts
01:50:24.360
over the years that he had one space so i thought that was suspicious i obviously didn't know at the
01:50:28.800
time that the reason why was because mark zuckerberg wrote that and he had to post it
01:50:32.640
but but that was really what set me off so that was like my my one good sherlock holmes moment
01:50:38.240
um and i'm pretty proud of noticing that one yeah can we be clear here though by the way
01:50:43.040
isn't i mean two spaces is the correct way isn't it is it i don't know yes it is right yes and i'll also
01:50:52.720
the reason i was so aware of that was because when people leaked me emails they oftentimes took
01:50:58.480
photos of the emails and sent it to me instead of forwarding it because i would create a paper trail
01:51:02.040
and so i would transcribe these things and palmer was often on the threads of when people would share
01:51:06.540
stuff with me so i was used to it but i would also say that john carmack who is one of the most
01:51:09.940
brilliant people in the world and who helped discover palmer and is now at oculus you know he also
01:51:15.500
uses two spaces so i will probably concede that with two billion people plus you guys i'm doing
01:51:21.300
it wrong but it still grinds my gears it's just a little tap of one finger man i don't know why it's
01:51:29.420
such an issue so can you go back to the beginning of this a little bit and because it's one thing to
01:51:34.000
say it's a great entrepreneurial story of a guy in a trailer coming up with something that the best
01:51:38.400
people in tech had tried to do for a while and had basically given up on at that point how on earth
01:51:43.640
does he actually do this what how does he discover how to crack this code well part of it is exactly
01:51:49.560
what you said that most of the people had given up on it so palmer is a genius and a great entrepreneur
01:51:55.160
and all that but it is partly just because he was one of let's say less than a hundred people in the
01:51:59.700
world who still cared at cared about and believed in virtual reality and so you know it seems shocking
01:52:06.200
i mean it just seems like such a such a straight line sort of development when it comes to the way
01:52:10.620
we're immersed in everything and he's not he wasn't he wasn't trying to crack it because i'm
01:52:15.040
going to get rich right he really believed in it well that's really the thing that i i think that you
01:52:20.860
find with most successful entrepreneurs or even the entrepreneurial side of writing is you know i had
01:52:25.760
seven years as a failed screenwriter and then when i finally wrote something the first time in my life
01:52:30.580
which was console wars not for money that was the thing that cracked because that was passion
01:52:35.180
fueled and palmer he's uh he's a he's a gamer at heart and so he just wanted to step into the screen
01:52:42.600
and actually feel like he was in the game so it was for his own selfish passion-filled reasons and i
01:52:47.960
was telling glenn yesterday that the book starts in april 2012 when he starts oculus and he connects
01:52:53.540
with john carmack and this whole crazy ride that ends with selling to facebook for three million
01:52:57.000
starts but there's really a whole other story that is ignored by the three years before that of how he
01:53:02.560
cracked this code and why he did it and all that but you know it's not surprising in retrospect that
01:53:09.220
he did because look what he's doing now he has a new company on drill and they are coming up with
01:53:13.680
great border solutions they're in the defense the defense business they're trying to bring
01:53:17.460
technological solutions to it so you know wow lightning doesn't just happen to strike these
01:53:22.320
people you know whether it's elon musk with tesla and spacex you know there's something about these
01:53:27.300
kinds of people whether it's their brilliance their ability to get other people on board
01:53:30.820
um and palmer lucky is just one of those people that i know for the next 50 years he's going to
01:53:35.260
keep dazzling us most likely their privilege um but uh you know it's true because to me and i think
01:53:41.960
to you too this is the ultimate rags to riches story this kid living in a trailer and i remember
01:53:47.620
somebody once posted something like that on reddit and there were people who said oh no it's not a
01:53:51.920
rags to riches story he's you know white male privilege and i'm like he could have been anyone
01:53:59.480
yeah and and when john carmack reached out to him which set this whole thing in motion john was
01:54:03.720
reaching out to somebody palmer tech that could have been anyone how could any of that have to do
01:54:08.100
with something with this but you're starting to sound like a conservative and i won't rub that in
01:54:12.220
okay so um uh let me just talk about we were just talking about dave rubin and about how he's being
01:54:20.860
you know shut out and they're trying to shut him down at youtube um steven crowder the same thing
01:54:27.140
is happening with him uh you have you have had dealings with journalists in a completely different
01:54:36.420
way i mean you you're a liberal um more of a classic liberal i would think but you considered
01:54:42.160
yourself a regular straight i've always voted democrat since as far back as john carrey and then
01:54:47.400
you uh things have kind of changed for you because you're starting to see the same thing that we even
01:54:53.780
found on our side holy cow some of the people on our side really suck i don't stand for what i
01:54:59.660
thought we all stood for right um and can you can you go over some of the emails that you had i brought
01:55:07.620
some uh some gifts so there's a i pulled these up because there's a great article on niche gamer by
01:55:13.360
sophia narwitz who's a games writer and she was curious about my interactions and dealings with
01:55:19.840
journalists and to her credit was the only person who reached out to me about it so i was happy to
01:55:24.220
share my experiences and so i pulled up some of my emails from from private conversations that i'd had
01:55:29.420
with with game and tech journalists who i considered either friends or you know peers colleagues i had a
01:55:34.880
good relationship with them and they were asking you about okay come on tell us he's really a racist or
01:55:41.020
whatever and and you were answering them honestly and they really didn't have any intent of listening
01:55:47.840
right the one that i was telling you about yesterday was i i actually spent two hours on the phone with
01:55:52.300
someone who i considered a friend i mean i was spending two hours on the phone with him and he
01:55:55.440
was asking if palmer was a white supremacist and i said i can't tell you what's in his heart but as
01:55:59.880
someone who knows him probably better than anyone in the world but his girlfriend no absolutely no
01:56:05.740
you know you can go back to the start of oculus the first three three people he hired were an asian
01:56:10.720
guy an indian guy and a bisexual guy like you know he just doesn't care about that stuff um
01:56:16.640
and and and at the end of this call the the person said well i guess i get what you're saying but
01:56:21.920
where's the smoking gun i want the proof that he's not a white supremacist and i said how can i give you
01:56:25.980
the proof that he's not something that he isn't um and then here was a few a few responses i got while
01:56:32.340
just reaching out privately to journalists after i had done this research and said for years yeah and
01:56:38.000
said you guys were wrong like you should correct your article or or do you have any like or tell me your
01:56:43.080
pushback for why you think i'm wrong because i don't want to publish this book if i'm missing
01:56:46.560
something and these articles were just to to reset this part of it because he people had blamed him
01:56:51.340
after he had come out and supported trump and it was not even a in a major public way but he had made
01:56:56.260
a small donation to one uh you know a political organization and had appeared at one rally where
01:57:01.840
he wasn't hiding but he wasn't like a main featured speaker or anything right the issue the issue was
01:57:06.200
largely that the organization he donated to people would say oh it was not just a harmless
01:57:11.220
organization this organization nimble america their plan was their actual plan was to put up
01:57:17.360
billboards across america meme like billboards just like more like younger funny yeah certainly
01:57:24.160
nothing offensive about them but people said people interpreted that as that they were going to put
01:57:28.660
up hateful that they had put up hateful memes across the internet and this was first of all a
01:57:33.040
journalism error like i mean like right quite clearly put up one it was not yeah in the entire history of
01:57:39.260
nimble america they put up one billboard ever and it was and what did it say it said controversially
01:57:45.040
too big to jail and had a picture of hillary clinton okay certainly not yeah i mean okay so let's go to
01:57:50.480
the yeah and and and um it's really crazy you know the headline that first came out was facebook
01:57:57.460
billionaire secretly funding trump's meme machine and awful then within an hour a few hours then the next
01:58:03.620
headline was facebook billionaire secretly funding trump's racist meme machine all the while there was no
01:58:08.480
incidents of actual memes this organization was five days old and the funniest thing of all is that
01:58:13.780
you don't need to pay people to make memes if palmer wanted to be
01:58:16.800
he's smart enough to figure out how to do without paying ten thousand dollars okay hang on we're going
01:58:22.380
to come take a quick break and then we're going to come back with blake harris uh who will read and
01:58:26.340
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author of the history of the future uh and you were going to share some uh some so these were
01:59:44.100
some journalist response yeah these were um with the success of my first book which had me mentioned
01:59:49.300
you know making best gamer of the year lists and all that stuff and being really well respected and
01:59:53.880
the gaming and tech communities i had a lot of friendships or relationships with tech journalists
01:59:58.840
and so i reached out to them because i also didn't want to publicly embarrass them of their errors with
02:00:04.020
palmer lucky at least at first i wanted to give them the chance to correct it or hear their side of
02:00:07.240
the story so this was one who's an editor at one of the top gaming sites explaining why he said
02:00:13.460
the trump agenda is so horrid on its face that the way the coverage that the way this played out
02:00:20.200
justified the coverage and the reaction to palmer lucky so even though the news reports were not
02:00:24.540
accurate the fact that palmer's a trump supporter justifies the inaccuracies wow that's incredible
02:00:31.060
this is someone who didn't air personally but i was asking his perspective he's he's a reporter at
02:00:35.880
one of the top tech sites and i explained this was his um he said i think the palmer news just came
02:00:42.380
at a really awful time and silicon valley was looking for a trump scapegoat because peter teal was
02:00:46.980
seemingly bulletproof so they couldn't get peter wow because he's his own boss but they can get
02:00:52.160
palmer oh by the way now it's his own boss because he doesn't ever want this to happen again
02:00:55.760
this last one was just this was not a personal message this was a public message on facebook by
02:01:01.020
a journalist a tech journalist at one of the top business sites and and this was the day after the
02:01:06.140
election he said i no longer trust the media and also i'm a professional journalist at a major media
02:01:11.660
outlet ask me anything and so that was i thought that was important because that was kind of like me i
02:01:16.700
felt like wow i had always trusted the media i'm part of the media in some way and that really led
02:01:21.840
my introspection was trump winning realizing okay maybe what i was hearing was not true
02:01:25.440
and i went on this journey over the past few years apparently this guy didn't or you know
02:01:30.300
this guy is representative of so many folks who instead of trying to understand the other side
02:01:34.840
instead of listening instead of trying to think have i messed up they just doubled down yeah
02:01:40.300
which isn't good which is not good not a way to run a civilization no and you know what if my brother
02:01:48.400
doubled down i would say you're being an idiot but these are journalists it's it's their job to not
02:01:53.260
double down it's their job to say am i wrong or it's their job to actually you would have thought
02:01:57.820
like this is even juicier story with zuckerberg coercing an executive to lie about his politics
02:02:03.780
who cares if i was wrong this is an even sexier story but it's not sexy in the right direction so
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it's not interesting blake i i commend you for being so honest um and and just doing the right
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thing it it shouldn't be commendable to do the right thing but it is in today's world because so
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few are doing it thank you so much thank you so much guys the name of the book is the history of
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the future a must read it is riveting cover to cover the history of the future