Bill O'Reilly and John Ziegler update on the border crisis and why it's time for Congress to do its job and pass a border bill. Also, a new list of the healthiest and unhealthiest cities in America.
00:16:43.500You're locked into something for five years. You may be renting.
00:16:46.320You don't know, you know, I'm going to be locked into a contract for five years.
00:16:51.560If I have a system and that system is all beat up and everything else, I'm going to have to go and hire somebody else to come in and rewire the whole house and put their system in.
00:18:47.100So, okay, so, you know, when I, when I talk about things like the caliphate and things like that, I know what I have come up with in myself by doing my research.
00:21:11.460Okay, so, you know, when I, when I talk about things like the caliphate and things like that, I know what I have come up with in myself by doing my research.
00:23:25.840So the border wall, what we're seeing here now is that we are going to theoretically get some of the border wall through a national emergency.
00:23:37.580Forget all the legal problems and the questions about that, whether it can go through or not.
00:23:41.180There's people on both sides of that or whether it's a good idea or what the ramifications would be later on.
00:23:47.200If I were to say to you, Glenn, you are going to get what appears to be approximately maybe 20% of the border wall through a national emergency, which is about what we're, if he's going to get to the full $5.7 billion, we don't know yet how that's going to go.
00:24:05.500But you're going to get that 20% of the border wall that Trump is trying to get.
00:24:09.740And in exchange for it, this is what will happen.
00:28:26.800If I just offered you this trade, right now in the spending bill that's going on right now, he's getting about 2% of the border wall.
00:28:36.380And if he does the national emergency, it's expected he'll get about 8% more of the border wall.
00:28:43.000So, it's a small percentage of the border wall, but it could put it in important places.
00:28:47.380And I think we all agree that that would be beneficial, but not ideal.
00:28:50.600But if I were just to trade you 8% of the border wall, but in exchange for no longer in the future, will any tax dollars be allowed to be used to arrest or deport any illegal alien child, any caretaker of a child,
00:29:12.040anyone who lives in the house of a caretaker of a child that happens to be illegal or someone who could potentially be a caretaker of a child that happens to be an illegal alien or someone who happens to be living in a house with someone who could potentially be a caretaker of an illegal alien child.
00:29:29.780What about somebody who's heard about an illegal alien child?
00:30:58.620There isn't a border town, in Texas at least, that didn't vote for Hillary Clinton.
00:31:05.000So they've now put in the bill, and it appears to be permanent, that if you want to build a wall, this one only authorizes it in the Rio Grande Valley, and the Rio Grande Valley must be...
00:32:01.040No, I think it's, if it's any way, I don't know for sure, but if it's any way, I think it's, you can't block it in the Rio Grande Valley, but you can block it any other place in the future.
00:34:56.300Because you could, I mean, look, a lot of people will say, well, we want the wall and we're going to do the national emergency, which, you know, I'm not a fan of.
00:35:04.240But even if you like the national emergency, he can do that with or without this bill.
00:36:20.780Would you trade the entire border wall to get the precedent set that you can now declare a national emergency and do whatever you want over that?
00:37:47.080Yes, but the ICE staffing has to be dedicated overall ATD case management, particularly the asylum seekers.
00:37:56.440So what that means is you can hire more ICE, but the ICE agents are only there to help illegal aliens settle in a non-detention center in the country.
00:38:07.880So you've taken the ICE management or the ICE mission and you've completely flipped it.
00:38:14.620Now you are helping illegal aliens come into the country and find some place to live.
00:38:24.260You should really call the White House switchboard at 202-456-1414.
00:38:30.040And encourage President Trump not to sign this.
00:38:33.460Please don't sign this, Mr. President.
00:39:01.640It doesn't eliminate any foundations that Trump wanted to get rid of, including the Asia Foundation, the U.S.-Africa Development Foundation, the Inter-American Foundation, the U.S. Trade and Development Agency.
00:39:13.680This thing is just, this is, this is worse, I think, we will find over time.
00:39:53.180If you declare a national emergency because they will use the same thing.
00:39:59.660And I don't think Kavanaugh will overturn his national emergency.
00:40:05.600He believes in the power of the president.
00:40:08.240And look, I think even if you want the national emergency, you can still have that without signing this bill.
00:40:12.920It's important to separate these two things.
00:40:14.380The only reason that people are tying them together is because the reported deal is that Mitch McConnell said, OK, I'll support your national emergency if you say yes to this bill.
00:40:25.220That is why they're tying them together.
00:45:49.260Bill O'Reilly, the country is at a crossroads here.
00:46:01.420I don't know if you've had a chance to read the bill, but Congress certainly didn't have a chance to read it before they signed it and passed it.
00:46:08.800But it is, dare I use the word today, abortion.
00:46:13.260And the Congress is shouting their abortion.
00:46:16.300Meanwhile, the president's about to speak to declare a national emergency.
00:46:54.860For instance, we can hire new border agents, but they have to help people find a place to live.
00:47:03.180You are not allowed to use any of these funds.
00:47:10.560You can now, let's see, none of the funds by this act or any other act or provided from any account in the Treasury United States derived from the collection of fees, blah, blah, blah,
00:47:20.320can be used to place in detention, remove, refer for a decision whether to initiate removal proceedings or initiate removal proceedings against a sponsor, potential sponsor, or member of a household of a sponsor, or a potential sponsor of an unaccompanied alien child.
00:47:36.940So you can no longer use tax dollars to arrest or deport anyone who lives in the same home as an unaccompanied child that's an alien or could potentially do that.
00:47:48.620I mean, that is a, any, any, you know, MS-13, they say 30 to 40 percent of arrests of MS-13 members are, quote unquote, unaccompanied alien children.
00:48:00.500Well, look, I'm not going to worry about this minutiae because what I see is the long game, and that's what President Trump is doing today.
00:48:53.600He's going to declare a state of emergency, which is going to override the bill, and basically say, I have a bill where I want, and I got $9 billion more to do it.
00:49:20.520No, because it's an executive action by the president of the United States declaring a state of emergency where the bills in place can be superseded to deal with that emergency.
00:49:34.640So they don't want to give the power that the president that much power to override the legislature.
00:49:38.680But the long game is that he knows that if he just wimped away and didn't do anything, he'd lose, because that 15% of the Ann Coulter right would turn on him.
00:49:51.640No, you know, I disagree with you here, Bill.
00:49:53.620I'm watching Twitter, and this may change, but I'm watching Twitter, and I'm watching the usual, you know, border Trump, you know, suspects that are, you know, mad at him if he does anything like that.
00:50:07.520He does have another out, and that's pass a continuing resolution.
00:50:12.360Veto this and pass a continuing resolution.
00:50:16.400I think that, again, we'll go on to the long game.
00:50:19.540Number one, the Twitter mob are activists, so they don't reflect his support crew.
00:50:25.880What the Trump administration and the Obama administration, everybody does, is internal polling, okay, that we don't see.
00:50:32.160And the internal polling, I can tell you for a fact, showed that, number one, America does not want another government shutdown, and number two, as long as the president starts to build some of the wall, that they're likely to vote for him for re-election.
00:50:48.820So that's what the internal polling showed, so that the decision was made by the Trump administration to go this way to try to get as many people in his base to, basically, they don't like it, but they're not going to turn on him.
00:51:07.500I want Stu to ask you a question that he asked me, and I want to hear your reaction.
00:51:13.240Well, Bill, it looks like the national emergency would get potentially about 8% more of the wall built, which is a significant amount on a 2,000-mile border, plus the 2% that's in the bill.
00:51:25.960So it's not insignificant, and I think the border wall is a good idea.
00:51:30.600Taking out the whole thing about the precedent that the national emergency sets and everything else, this thing that we talked about briefly a minute ago, which basically says you no longer can use tax funds to arrest.
00:51:43.660Illegal immigrants in almost every situation.
00:52:11.300So, look, you have to step back and you have to say, what is the most effective way to defeat the permissive forces on the left who don't want any border security?
00:52:23.860I wrote a message of the day on BillOReilly.com that laid out what happened in California when the Hispanic population, Latino population, went from 3 million to 15 million.
00:52:37.500The whole state became a Democratic precinct because of that five-fold jump in Hispanics living in California.
00:52:50.100So, now you have, in the latest largest state, one-party state.
00:52:53.740That's what the Democratic Party wants to do in Arizona, in Texas, in Florida, flood the zone with as many Latinos as they can, get in here by chain migration.
00:53:04.240Remember, you get in here and you establish residency legally, you can take in 30 people.
00:53:14.660So, if Trump doesn't get reelected and someone like Biden or Michelle Obama wins, then our country is essentially going to change dramatically.
00:58:27.380Free market system says, hey, people don't change their filters enough because it's too complex.
00:58:33.860They have to go to Home Depot, and they know people like Glenn Beck are just never going to go on a Saturday to Home Depot to get a filter to change it.
01:02:02.180In every single country that has gone from a ruler to a dictator, the dictator phonied up some panicked thing that threw the population into this frenzy that we'll give away our rights and you can make it better Mussolini.
01:02:26.700Every single one throughout history, there's never been an exception where people voluntarily said, oh, we'd like a dictator.
01:02:35.740Come on in here, Franco, and tell us what to do.
01:02:38.980This global warming stuff, this is where we're all going to die.
01:03:07.280So they want to control the lives of Americans on every single front, and they're using climate change to frighten people in Berkeley, California, who can barely find their way to the facilities.
01:04:16.000There is a growing fascistic or communistic, whatever, totalitarian view.
01:04:28.860However it shapes up, there is a totalitarian view.
01:04:31.880And the one thing you left out is the economy.
01:04:34.920If Brexit goes horribly, which I think I'm hoping is kind of like the hype on Y2K, but if it goes horribly and Europe goes into the abyss, so do we.
01:04:46.620And everyone will be clamoring for a bigger government?
01:13:56.280Selling or buying your home, complicated.
01:13:58.320You need somebody who's doing this full time and is really good at it.
01:14:01.280And second, the most part of – the biggest part of a sale or purchase is evaluating your home, how much it's really worth, how much it can sell for, how much you should buy it for.
01:14:09.780And the third is you have to have confidence that that real estate agent knows what they're doing.
01:14:15.260We can help you match the right real estate agent for your next purchase of a home or if you have to sell your home.
01:15:09.180But one of the things I said I have to do and I want to do is border security because we have tremendous amounts of drugs flowing into our country.
01:15:17.100Much of it coming from the southern border.
01:15:20.420When you look and when you listen to politicians, in particular certain Democrats, they say it all comes through the port of entry.
01:31:18.880The issue here is then it goes, if those two things happen, President Trump has to sign a reversal of his own executive order or his own national emergency, which, of course, he will not do.
01:31:29.220Then it will go back again to the House.
01:31:30.840I think there is an actual possibility that even with the two-thirds needed, the House may get it because of the fact it's Democratic controlled.
01:31:41.180And I think you'll get enough Republican House members to go through and say, yeah, we're going to overturn it.
01:31:46.720I don't think you'll get there on the Senate.
01:33:14.840But he, yeah, and if he tried to accelerate it through the Supreme Court, that actually would probably, if he fails in the Supreme Court to get this national emergency, it would help him make the case of we've got to change the court, depending on who voted which way.
01:33:33.840And that's true, and I think he can also make a very good case at that point that he tried everything possible, which some people who are looking at this, you know, Bill mentioned this earlier, Bill O'Reilly, who was on with us earlier today, mentioned this as an idea that basically they're just concerned about his election, and this is a message to his supporters, look, we tried really hard on the border, even if it fails.
01:34:23.080They said, those are all in national emergencies, and we will, we'll do it.
01:34:27.500I mean, you know, is the debt not a national emergency?
01:34:29.660I mean, they could do it with that, too.
01:34:31.160I mean, there's a million things that could happen, and what we're doing is transferring a giant, a giant amount of power to the president, whether it's a Republican or a Democrat going forward.
01:34:41.060I think it's a terrible precedent to set.
01:34:42.900And I will say that the right thing to do here is repeal and get rid of entirely the National Emergency Act.
01:34:50.360You can come up with a new version of it that might give a few, a couple months of leeway before Congress has to pass something.
01:34:56.880But there's no, there's no reason for an unending power for the president to be able to spend money on things that, in this case specifically, Congress specifically rejected spending money the way that he's spending it.
01:35:10.160Now, I agree with the way he's spending it in many ways, but the Congress, who has the power of the purse, specifically rejected spending money on this.
01:35:19.060And now he is going through it and doing it anyway.
01:35:23.080The precedent being set there is really bad.
01:35:27.200And the people most excited about this is that field of 2020 Democrats who are salivating with the opportunities that this gives them to go around the voter, to go around Congress.
01:35:39.560And so you know that we don't, the president doesn't have to sign this bill.
01:36:53.080This is a lose-lose, unless you want to grab power.
01:36:57.300This is a lose-lose, whether it's happening today or five years down the road with another president.
01:37:03.200This is not—this is a horrible, horrendous bill that has been changed and added on to, I believe, from what the president said he would agree to.
01:37:46.640You mentioned quickly what the bill does, and we discussed this in an hour one.
01:37:51.160But if this bill had been a fact for the past decade, let's say, the dispending bill, 30 to 40 percent of the arrests of MS-13 members would have had to have been abandoned.
01:38:03.860Because they were in a group that is protected in this bill.
01:38:07.260Underage children or people who are caretakers of underage aliens or people who live in the same household as a caretaker of an underage alien or—
01:38:38.560So ICE, new members have to be hired so they can help those illegals get from the border to where they're going, to where we'll process them sometime down the road.
01:39:29.980No one can prevent all identity theft or monitor all transactions at all businesses, but LifeLock has been doing it for so long, they can uncover the threats that you might miss on your own.
01:39:39.520And they're checking things at your bank and your credit card.
01:40:33.800Yeah, he's a big star, apparently from, from Empire.
01:40:36.580Um, and a guy that I really felt bad for, but I, from the very beginning, we didn't talk about it much because something didn't seem right.
01:40:45.480And what didn't seem right to me at the very beginning was these guys were waiting in an alley or someplace.
01:40:52.700They had rope, uh, and bleach with them.
01:40:56.620It was one of the coldest days of the year in Chicago.
01:41:02.880So two guys were just waiting for a black guy to come by so they could use the bleach and the rope on, when it's like 10 below zero outside?
01:41:15.240It just didn't seem to make sense to me.
01:41:17.220And then the camera footage started coming out.
01:42:59.920Now, I'm a fat guy, but I think I dropped the subway sandwich if somebody's throwing bleach on me and, uh, and putting a noose around my neck.
01:43:26.660And, you know, what's really sad is we now have, I don't know.
01:43:33.780I hate to call them agents because it sounds like a conspiracy, but we do.
01:43:37.620We have agents, uh, that are, you know, by themselves.
01:43:41.240They're not part of a consistent conspiracy.
01:43:43.500They just agree with the left that America should be taken down and, and white people are bad.
01:43:49.920And anything that adds to the cause, uh, is good.
01:43:53.960And they're willing to do or say anything.
01:43:57.600If this guy is indeed guilty of this as a hoax, I mean, he said he was on the phone with his agent, uh, or his manager at two o'clock in the morning.
01:44:11.040And so his manager was the only witness, but he won't turn over his phone.
01:44:16.640And the manager won't turn over his phone.
01:44:18.800Well, your phone would have record of that phone conversation.
01:44:23.460And so why won't you turn over your phone?
01:44:26.340And then seemingly when it was turned over, there was deleted things in there.
01:44:31.840We'll get all the details with John Ziegler here in a second.
01:44:34.000Uh, but these hoaxes have happened over and over and over again.
01:44:37.620And I mean, think of the, the, the, the difference between the way the kid with the red hat was hit, was treated when he is, when there is footage of every second of it.
01:46:56.660So, so John, tell everybody the story.
01:46:59.060If anybody has been, hasn't been following it.
01:47:02.260Well, uh, a couple of weeks ago, uh, empire actor, uh, Jussie Smollett, uh, claimed that he was the victim of a heinous, uh, hate crime at 2 a.m.
01:47:11.060In Chicago, uh, where the, the show is filmed, uh, that was directed at him because of his race, uh, his celebrity and his homosexuality.
01:47:21.400And that this occurred in the middle of a polar vortex, which is totally normal, uh, for, uh, two people who apparently were Donald Trump supporters who yelled at him.
01:47:31.920And this is MAGA country because again, that's totally normal because everyone knows how well Trump did in Chicago and, uh, um, and, and how, how big, how big a MAGA country Chicago really is.
01:47:42.760Um, and, and, and this, uh, story also came to the police in a, in a rather odd way.
01:48:06.340Whether what he said is true, and if it's not true, what really happened.
01:48:11.340And to me, Glenn, debunking these super PC stories, as you've already suggested I've done numerous times before, is really a pretty simple mathematical equation.
01:48:20.640I mean, I mean, it's really, it's totally math.
01:48:23.420What I do is I take the plausibility of the story on its face, which in this case is probably about a 10 on a 100 scale.
01:48:30.940You add to that the amount of evidence corroborating it in comparison to what the evidence should exist, which was in this case, I don't know, maybe 20 out of 10.
01:48:40.260And then you divide it by how hesitant the media and the authorities are due to political correctness to debunk the story.
01:48:46.160And in this case, that's 100, because this guy has a political correction force field that's impenetrable.
01:49:02.960Okay, so he goes out of his apartment at 2 o'clock in the morning, and I don't think he set out a press release, that he was going to walk to go to Subway.
01:49:13.100So we have to first believe that two people in, what, 10 below zero temperatures?
01:49:19.580Yeah, or something along those lines, yes.
01:49:21.52010 below zero temperatures were waiting for him to cross their path on the way to getting this Subway sandwich at 2 o'clock in the morning with bleach and a rope.
01:49:31.620Right, because he got the rope hung around his neck, which, but bizarrely, he kept around his neck for like 45 minutes afterwards.
01:49:39.360By the way, this rope, from what I understand, is barely a rope.
01:49:43.340I'm not sure it would be correct to call it a rope, but you're exactly right.
01:49:47.960I mean, and of course, to me, it's obviously it's 2 a.m.
01:49:57.240And by the way, how many Trump supporters are big Empire fans?
01:50:01.860I mean, the whole thing is absurd on its face, and there's no evidence to back it up.
01:50:07.480And the first time that I – well, it wasn't the first time, but the first time I thought this thing might fall apart was when the police,
01:50:14.200who do not have any incentive to debunk this because, you know, of the political correctness, especially in Chicago,
01:50:21.520when they started to leak things, like, for instance, we've gone through hundreds of hours of surveillance tape,
01:50:27.600which all of this area has video cameras everywhere, and they couldn't find anything to support the story.
01:51:37.760But there's censorship going on because no one wants to be the first to debunk it because they will be vulnerable to attack.
01:51:45.900And so they've been basically saying to me, hey, Zig, here's what's really going on.
01:51:52.240And what I now believe happened is that through using incredible modern technology, the authorities have known who these two guys were from very early on in the investigation and not telling us that.
01:52:04.220And it was only after Smollett won on Good Morning America and actually ID'd those two people laughably as, yep, I know they're the ones that did this, that we find out.
01:52:26.600And now we know that the Smollett story – we don't know what for sure.
01:52:30.620I have a couple of theories that are being – and what the police, I think, are debating about, two different theories about what happened here.
01:52:36.260But we now know that Smollett knew his attackers, and that destroys the whole story.
01:52:43.160There's no way this was a Trump-related hate crime, and then you go from there.
01:52:47.640Is it possible, John, that they – that, A, did these people who worked on the set of Empire have a beef with him and want to take him on?
01:52:56.160Or is it possible that maybe the attackers wanted to make this happen, to make Trump supporters look bad, and Jussie is not actually involved in this?
01:53:06.540Well, that's the – in my opinion and the opinion of my sources, that is the debate that's going on in the police department right now.
01:53:13.040And that's why last night the police department put out a statement that, of course, the media latched onto.
01:53:17.980It was, oh, see, this isn't necessarily a hoax.
01:53:36.340Was the story a premeditated hoax, or was it a domestic dispute gone bad that got post-meditated into a hate crime?
01:53:47.860The ABC, the local ABC reporter who's been on this from the beginning has done great work.
01:53:54.860He reported, and that broke the story open last night, that it was a premeditated hoax, and that's what police were believing.
01:54:01.740I have never believed that because there's certain details in this that don't make sense.
01:54:05.560If this was premeditated hoax, it was incredibly poorly done.
01:54:09.040And, like, who decided to do this at 2 a.m. in the middle of a polar vortex?
01:54:12.520I mean, there's a lot of different ways you could do this, plus the details.
01:54:15.900Not putting forward the MAGA detail right off the bat, to me, eliminates the idea this was a premeditated hoax to try to create a hate crime, because why would you withhold that from police?
01:54:26.480So I personally believe in the domestic dispute gone bad, post-meditated, let's create a hate crime, and that may have been planted in Small Ed's head because there was this threatening letter that was sent to the show about a week beforehand, and it got – it sprung out of control.
01:54:44.240So when you say a domestic dispute, are you saying that this is – these are two lovers of his, or one lover who got somebody else?
01:54:52.640There is a segment of the police who have been telling their media sources from the beginning that they believe that one of the two guys that are in that photograph and are being spoken to by police right now was in a relationship with Smollett, that Smollett cheated on him, and that this was a revenge attack on him, for what I'm referring to as politely as possible, as a domestic dispute.
01:55:15.280And that Smollett, in a panic, started to go down a different path, it spun out of control, he added the Trump thing because he's a very anti-Trump person, and he knew the media would lap that up, and of course they did, and now it's much bigger than he ever expected, now he's trapped, and now the story is falling apart because it turns out he knows his attackers.
01:55:37.940And here's the key part. This is part of why the police are confused. I am told that those two guys are changing their story, that their story is evolving, and that that's why there is a conflict within the police department of Chicago as to whether this was premeditated hoax or postmeditated panic hate crime.
01:55:55.720And so that's why I think we're seeing a hesitation right now as to where the police are going on this, but the bottom line is the story is not true. He was not attacked by Donald Trump supporters in a hate crime. That did not happen.
01:56:08.620Do we know the race of these two guys?
01:56:10.340They're Jamaicans, which, you know, of course Trump is very big in Jamaica, and I'm sure that, I mean, and of course you would never recognize a Jamaican accent either at 2 a.m. in Chicago.
01:56:24.200No, not if they're talking to you. It's like a Chicagoan accent.
01:56:28.480Right, exactly. So, I mean, the whole story makes perfect sense, right?
01:56:31.640I mean, and I think the most important part of this whole thing, folks, is that this is a perfect example of how the news media, the entertainment industry, and sometimes even the authorities have become so politically correct.
01:56:44.080They're so willing to buy into these BS stories, whether it's Brett Kavanaugh or Jim Jordan, or, you know, you remember the story that we talked about a couple years ago with the Santa who faked the boy's death.
01:56:55.120The Air Force Academy had one of these stories last year that I called them on, turned out to be a fake hate crime.
01:57:00.420And you and I have talked many times about the Penn State Joe Paterno-Jerry Sandusky case.
01:57:04.800The more politically correct the story is, the more likely it is not to be true because there's no incentive for anyone to debunk it because the media is not about the truth.
01:57:18.000All right, that's the most important thing.
01:57:20.260The truth gets lost in all this because popularity is the coin of the realm, and no one wants to do anything that's unpopular because you might get fired, especially in a case like this.
01:57:31.200So, John, tell me what you think is going to happen.
01:57:34.780Are you claiming that this story is absolutely not true and the police are going to come out with, it's not true?
01:57:45.660I think they had to pick a lane, and I also think there's going to be a lot of pushback politically, and so I still think this may end up going down the memory hole.
01:57:56.560Now, the people close to this day know, and interestingly, they say Rahm Emanuel, the mayor of Chicago, is going to be the one who forces this thing to get solved because he apparently, I am told, secondhand but reliably, he is pissed.
01:58:09.360And I think that they were willing to let this go down the memory hole until he went on Good Morning America.
01:58:16.600And then they decided, all right, let's unleash the dogs.
01:58:20.240And I think that – so in the real world, this story is going down.
01:58:24.740Whether or not anything happens to him, I am a cynic, so I will reserve judgment on that.