The Glenn Beck Program - Behind the Scenes of Glenn's White House Interview with Trump ｜ Guest： Andrew Klavan

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00:03:39.460 Back from Washington, D.C.

00:03:41.400 Had an incredible sit down with the president.

00:03:43.800 A lot to share on that interview that we aired last night.

00:03:47.860 We'll go through some of it and tell you some of the other stories that happen off air.

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00:05:07.520 Welcome to the program, Stu.

00:05:08.700 How are you?

00:05:09.120 Welcome back.

00:05:10.000 Thank you, Len.

00:05:10.580 Thank you.

00:05:11.040 Back from D.C.

00:05:13.260 Interesting week.

00:05:14.700 I bet it was.

00:05:16.380 Interesting week.

00:05:17.060 Yeah.

00:05:17.920 Learned an awful lot.

00:05:19.940 I've got to go up there at least a quarter.

00:05:21.880 Every quarter.

00:05:23.220 There is so much going on.

00:05:25.140 It is moving so fast.

00:05:26.720 And you get a completely different perspective when you're actually there talking to the people that are moving the pieces.

00:05:35.940 And I had a lot of conversations that I can't divulge on the air.

00:05:39.820 I can't I can't say.

00:05:41.160 Unfortunately, I was with the president yesterday and it was an incredible, absolutely incredible.

00:05:48.440 And the thing I was most excited to share was.

00:05:51.300 His heart.

00:05:53.020 It was amazing.

00:05:54.640 Did the interview, went in to the Oval Office and he left me alone with my wife in the Oval Office for like five minutes.

00:06:01.520 Now, I am like I'm he was lucky I didn't go through the drawers.

00:06:04.280 You know, I look at the side.

00:06:07.500 Is that where is that little hidden puzzle piece that I saw in National Art?

00:06:11.640 But I mean, he left us alone for five minutes.

00:06:16.280 Nobody's left alone in the Oval for five minutes.

00:06:18.440 And he walks in five minutes later and Tanya was so uncomfortable.

00:06:21.980 She's like, I don't I don't know what to I don't know how to what do I do?

00:06:25.760 And I'm like, they said, make yourself comfortable.

00:06:28.880 So have a seat wherever you want.

00:06:31.440 You know, probably not behind the desk, but have a seat.

00:06:34.440 And so we just go around.

00:06:36.180 And I mean, I was alone with the Declaration of Independence.

00:06:40.340 I mean, it was incredible in the Oval Office.

00:06:43.200 And he walks in.

00:06:44.100 Any part of you think maybe I just kind of put this.

00:06:47.240 No, I'll put it in my pocket.

00:06:49.080 Maybe nobody notices.

00:06:50.200 No, no, no.

00:06:51.080 Yeah, darn it.

00:06:52.760 But this is the second time I've been in the Oval Office.

00:06:55.180 The first time you're a little overwhelmed.

00:06:56.980 The first time you're just like.

00:06:59.180 Because it is it's a magical place.

00:07:01.640 It really is a magical place.

00:07:05.040 And and so he said he walks in.

00:07:07.980 He's like, you know, nobody said.

00:07:09.240 And I said, I'm well aware of that.

00:07:11.740 He said nobody.

00:07:12.260 What?

00:07:12.580 Nobody, nobody, nobody sits in here without the president or without, you know, somebody else.

00:07:16.840 Right.

00:07:17.140 Yeah.

00:07:17.400 I said, I'm aware of that.

00:07:21.500 And he said, but I knew you'd want to look at everything.

00:07:23.720 So I thought you'd be more comfortable if you were here by yourself.

00:07:27.000 And I'm like, oh, it was fantastic.

00:07:29.600 So we sit down.

00:07:30.820 We talk.

00:07:32.120 We go do the interview.

00:07:34.560 And while we were talking in the Oval, we were conversing about a few things.

00:07:39.020 And he said, and Abraham Lincoln came up.

00:07:40.860 We were talking about he is well versed on the president's.

00:07:43.820 He is becoming a historian.

00:07:46.860 He really is.

00:07:48.160 He's really done his homework.

00:07:49.700 And he said, are you a fan of Abraham Lincoln?

00:07:54.120 I said, yeah.

00:07:55.800 And he said, ever been to the Lincoln bedroom?

00:07:58.380 And I said, no.

00:08:00.920 Want to go?

00:08:01.440 And I'm like, wait, of course I do.

00:08:03.300 Yes.

00:08:04.660 Let's do this interview.

00:08:06.140 So we do the interview.

00:08:07.320 And he, I'm told he only has 40 minutes.

00:08:10.160 Now we've just eaten 10.

00:08:12.260 And so we go, we do the interview and his aides are cutting us off.

00:08:18.240 And I'm like, I got at least 10 more minutes of questions.

00:08:21.960 And so we're getting cut off.

00:08:24.500 And as we stop, his aide says, sir, the National Security Council is waiting for you.

00:08:31.560 And he says, right, I'm going to take them to the Lincoln bedroom first.

00:08:37.200 And they're like, the Security Council is meeting right now.

00:08:39.940 They're waiting for you.

00:08:40.640 And he said, let him wait.

00:08:41.640 I'm going to take him up to the.

00:08:43.180 So he takes us the longest way possible.

00:08:45.960 He takes us through the entire White House room by room, shows us all of the meanings behind things,

00:08:53.160 all of the amazing, amazing things that like nobody knows about the White House.

00:08:59.180 Takes us to the, takes us to the basement, which is not really the basement.

00:09:03.960 You know, it's the actual first floor where all of the guests come in and they come up the grand staircase and everything else.

00:09:10.100 But it's the basement.

00:09:11.560 And he's walking through and he's showing me a troll.

00:09:15.500 First of all, he goes, I got to show you these paintings.

00:09:18.740 I just see these pictures, this painting of Laura Bush and, Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton up on the wall.

00:09:25.860 He said, I walked by him every day.

00:09:27.100 And I'm like, ah, this is not right.

00:09:29.440 And he said, and then I got this painting of me.

00:09:32.900 And it's, you know, me, the flag face looking really kind of tough.

00:09:36.380 And he said, I thought I'd put it between the two.

00:09:39.720 And it had just gone viral.

00:09:41.980 Okay.

00:09:42.240 He had just released a picture of it and just gone viral.

00:09:44.660 It was a troll.

00:09:45.640 The guy is just trolling.

00:09:48.020 And he's like, yeah, don't you love it?

00:09:50.900 I just think this works.

00:09:52.000 This trio really works.

00:09:53.300 And I said, can we get a, can I get a snap of that with you?

00:09:57.560 So we take this picture, the two of us, you know, in the, on the ground floor of the White House with this, this is the tour goes by this every day.

00:10:06.820 Okay.

00:10:07.320 Uh, and, uh, all of a sudden this thing goes viral and they start, the memes start to be made, uh, uh, but JD fans, uh, in the pictures, uh, they change.

00:10:22.340 People just started changing all the pictures behind us.

00:10:25.100 So this is a meme before, you know, going off, uh, before we finish.

00:10:30.040 And then he takes us, uh, upstairs, takes us through all these things.

00:10:35.680 And, and the, the, the, the aides keep gathering.

00:10:39.140 There's like 20 of them now following us.

00:10:41.900 And I keep hearing, sir, the national security council is waiting.

00:10:45.540 He's like, I know, I know.

00:10:46.900 Uh, and so we get up to the, uh, uh, executive residence and the reason why he had to give us, the reason why he had to do this tour, um, is because you're not allowed in the residence and you're not allowed into the, uh, Lincoln bedroom without the president of the United States.

00:11:09.840 It's the only one that can do it.

00:11:11.760 You can't, Melania couldn't come down and do the tour.

00:11:14.480 It has to be the president.

00:11:15.700 And so he's like, I'm sorry.

00:11:18.680 He's telling them, I'm sorry, but you know, rules are rules.

00:11:21.520 And so he takes us up into the Lincoln bedroom.

00:11:24.760 It was the most incredible thing.

00:11:27.640 I've, I mean, it's like, it's a time capsule.

00:11:31.700 It's really his bed, which is about six inches longer than like the big King size bed.

00:11:38.440 It might've been longer than a California queen.

00:11:42.080 Um, it was very narrow.

00:11:44.340 It was like, obviously, you know, he's not like Hugh Hefner.

00:11:47.600 It's just a very narrow bed, but very, very long.

00:11:50.440 The mirror on one end was extended to, you know, for somebody who's like, you know, six, nine, I think Hugh Barron could use that mirror.

00:12:00.380 Um, and then on the other side of the room is a writing desk and it on, on this one table were all these things about his son, Lincoln's son who had died.

00:12:11.540 Um, and this really, uh, eerie picture of Lincoln, this painting.

00:12:18.360 And, uh, the president said that was his favorite painting of himself.

00:12:21.740 And it's really, it was spooky almost.

00:12:25.360 And, uh, I couldn't take a picture.

00:12:27.600 You're not allowed to take any photos in the Lincoln bedroom.

00:12:30.060 And I was so bummed cause I couldn't wait to show them to you.

00:12:33.020 Um, but, um, there, and there's a writing desk and on it is the Gettysburg address.

00:12:38.520 It's one of four of the Gettysburg addresses because he gave Lincoln was at the, at the Gettysburg and said, Mr. President, that was a great speech.

00:12:47.660 Do you have a copy of it?

00:12:48.520 And he said, sure.

00:12:49.020 And he hands him the speech.

00:12:50.920 Uh, and he said, here, take it.

00:12:52.800 This, a New York reporter takes it, types it up and then throws it away.

00:12:57.300 So during the war, Lincoln writes four copies of the Gettysburg address.

00:13:03.180 In the four copies, only two of them say this nation under God, two of them don't say that.

00:13:10.260 And we don't know why, but the one there says this nation under God.

00:13:16.500 Uh, so it's just almost like a spiritual thing.

00:13:20.860 We come down and we're ending the tour.

00:13:24.000 And I said, I have to ask you, I said, I know you're Donald J.

00:13:27.840 Trump, but now what do you think I'm going to ask?

00:13:32.260 Cause he cuts me off there and starts to answer.

00:13:35.020 And I was amazed that he knew what I was even going to ask.

00:13:38.040 What do you think I'm asking?

00:13:39.440 I know you're Donald J.

00:13:40.560 Trump, but.

00:13:42.200 Hmm.

00:13:43.100 I mean, it could be anything, obviously.

00:13:45.160 He said every day.

00:13:47.480 And that's the right answer, but I didn't still didn't know if he knew what I was talking about.

00:13:52.160 And I said every day.

00:13:53.900 And he said, every day, Glenn, I wake up every day.

00:13:57.560 And I, I say to myself, I can't believe I'm in this house.

00:14:03.780 Hmm.

00:14:04.220 I mean, he's still humble about it.

00:14:06.940 He still, uh, he respects that place.

00:14:11.720 I mean, uh, a lot of the, I'm going to just, well, he didn't tell me this, so I don't think

00:14:19.360 I signed anything about that.

00:14:20.700 No, he didn't tell me this.

00:14:22.080 So the, the word is that Hillary stole a lot of the glass doorknobs at the white house.

00:14:30.860 Okay.

00:14:31.540 That's the word.

00:14:32.280 Don't know.

00:14:32.620 It's true.

00:14:33.140 Uh, but stole a lot of them.

00:14:35.360 He came in and he redid all of the doorknobs and they are beautiful.

00:14:39.860 This guy has put serious money into the white house and he's never going to get any credit.

00:14:45.780 And, you know, the rumor was on those doorknobs that they were going to take them out.

00:14:49.560 I don't know if they did on Biden.

00:14:51.700 Uh, but you know, they don't want any of the Trump stuff in there, uh, and took out the doorknobs.

00:14:56.320 But, uh, he's, he's, he's poured a ton of money upgrading that house and, uh, he'll never get

00:15:05.380 credit for it, but he deserves it.

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00:16:36.980 So you were able to go through all of this and look at all these incredible documents.

00:16:42.520 I mean, this is kind of like your fantasy league life, right?

00:16:45.340 Oh my gosh.

00:16:46.260 Every document you could ever want, every piece of history you could ever want to look

00:16:50.300 at.

00:16:50.400 Oh my gosh.

00:16:51.480 You would spend no time actually being president if you're president.

00:16:54.800 No, I wouldn't.

00:16:55.500 I don't know when this guy has time.

00:16:57.440 I really don't.

00:16:58.080 They told me, some of the Secret Service guys said, he's here, you know, middle of the night

00:17:03.980 working on stuff.

00:17:05.020 He's, you know, he'll do a full day and then he's there, you know, like who's up at this

00:17:10.380 hour?

00:17:10.860 It's him.

00:17:11.520 That's interesting because that's not the way the media presents him, right?

00:17:14.300 They say, oh, he's just watching TV.

00:17:16.180 He's watching Fox News.

00:17:16.860 Oh my God.

00:17:17.300 There's no way.

00:17:18.300 This guy has learned so much.

00:17:21.400 There's no way I had a conversation about history with him five, six years ago like I

00:17:26.180 did yesterday.

00:17:28.080 Interesting.

00:17:28.500 So you notice a difference.

00:17:30.280 Oh, his learning curve is straight up.

00:17:33.080 Absolutely straight up.

00:17:34.700 Straight up.

00:17:35.620 And in the interview, there's nothing.

00:17:38.100 I mean, I could have said things.

00:17:39.660 Remember the nuclear triad question that he was hit with where he didn't really know what

00:17:45.200 the nuclear.

00:17:46.060 There is not a question I can ask him where he doesn't know the answer.

00:17:49.940 Literally.

00:17:50.900 Literally.

00:17:52.100 I mean, everything I ask him off air or on air, he's there.

00:17:56.480 He knows it.

00:17:57.080 If it's happening in the world, he knows it.

00:17:59.960 I don't know how he keeps up like this.

00:18:03.180 It is.

00:18:03.840 I mean, his energy level is impressive.

00:18:06.080 There's no doubt about that, especially.

00:18:07.820 I mean, I don't know.

00:18:08.800 The bar was set pretty low the last four years, but his that's been one of the things that

00:18:14.960 I don't think there's ever been really much disagreement on.

00:18:18.980 Like the fact that I mean, we did, you know, years ago, we went around with candidates around

00:18:24.300 Iowa, for example, just just in campaigning.

00:18:26.800 And it was like, oh, gosh, by the end of the weekend, I just wanted to sleep for a week

00:18:31.060 because it was just so much running around doing.

00:18:33.620 I mean, we can't even imagine what it's like to be president of the United States.

00:18:35.960 He's always got that energy.

00:18:37.200 He's always energized.

00:18:38.500 I mean, and I saw him.

00:18:39.560 I mean, when I got onto the plane last night, because I know he went from he went from my

00:18:47.680 interview directly to the National Security Council.

00:18:52.520 And then by the time I'm sitting at the airport, there's a video of him meeting with the people

00:18:57.840 that were in the lobby waiting for him, all of these veterans.

00:19:01.340 And he's doing stuff with veterans on TV.

00:19:04.360 I mean, the guy is just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:19:06.700 Remember, remember, Joe Biden was like, he'll have, he'll have some pudding.

00:19:11.480 Yeah.

00:19:12.140 And pudding and a lid and a lid.

00:19:13.900 And that's it.

00:19:15.520 This guy is going nonstop.

00:19:18.120 Obviously, we're just kind of setting up the main course here, which is your interview with

00:19:22.800 him that airs on Blaze TV tonight.

00:19:25.240 Yeah.

00:19:26.240 No, it was last night.

00:19:27.340 I watched it on Blaze TV last night.

00:19:28.780 It airs on YouTube tonight.

00:19:29.840 I'm going to get the order wrong.

00:19:32.300 But, you know, you guys went into everything.

00:19:36.000 Every topic.

00:19:37.900 Any questions he didn't, you know, you didn't think he wanted to go to or wasn't comfortable

00:19:41.980 with?

00:19:42.440 Was there anything he was off limits?

00:19:44.280 Anything like that?

00:19:45.060 No, no.

00:19:46.220 He's joking with me.

00:19:49.500 As we was going across the hallway, he said, after the interview, he said, now, try to be

00:19:57.040 kind to me.

00:19:58.060 Well, if you don't, I'll just say, he's over.

00:20:01.640 He's worthless.

00:20:03.360 So do whatever you want.

00:20:06.660 But no, there was nothing.

00:20:08.960 In fact, we didn't, you know, we wouldn't and we didn't give him any indication other

00:20:14.900 than it was, you know, about the hundred days and everything that has gone on in the last

00:20:19.100 hundred days and are coming.

00:20:20.100 And so that's pretty broad.

00:20:23.660 He said a few things and I would give you, I want to give you one of them here.

00:20:29.880 We were talking about the tariffs.

00:20:31.660 And I said, you know, how do you negotiate when you have a group of elites like the WEF,

00:20:42.180 when you have China who's against you and the World Trade or the World Economic Forum,

00:20:47.480 all the elites in England that are there, they're fine with a great reset.

00:20:53.180 How do you negotiate with people who don't mind blowing the whole thing up?

00:20:56.860 Listen to this.

00:20:57.880 I don't have to negotiate.

00:21:00.240 I don't have to negotiate.

00:21:01.940 I'm talking to people out of respect, but I don't have to.

00:21:05.680 So we're this giant store that people want to come in and buy from.

00:21:09.980 We're the United States.

00:21:11.340 We have the richest consumer, et cetera, et cetera.

00:21:13.560 Right.

00:21:14.720 But we're not going to be that way for long if we don't do something.

00:21:18.620 But we're this giant store and they all want to come in and they want to take our product.

00:21:23.680 But to take our product, they're going to have to pay.

00:21:26.380 And we'll either make a deal with them or we'll just set a price because some countries are worse than others.

00:21:30.860 Some countries have ripped us off really badly.

00:21:33.300 And some countries have just ripped us off a little bit.

00:21:36.000 But almost all of them have ripped us off because we've had really poor leadership.

00:21:40.020 And what's going to happen is we're going to negotiate with we are negotiating.

00:21:45.160 We're negotiating with 70 different countries.

00:21:48.360 And we're negotiating.

00:21:49.740 We're showing great respect.

00:21:50.980 But in the end, we may make deals.

00:21:53.780 But either that or I just set a price.

00:21:56.200 I said, here's what you're going to pay for the privilege of servicing the United States of America.

00:22:01.900 And they have an option.

00:22:05.120 They can maybe talk to me a little bit or they can not shop.

00:22:10.700 You know, they don't have to shop at this big store or they can shop.

00:22:15.180 Right.

00:22:15.420 But in any event, they're going to have to pay.

00:22:18.620 Look, we owe 36 trillion for a reason.

00:22:22.180 The reason is the trade and also the endless wars, the stupid wars that we fought.

00:22:27.760 We go into the Middle East.

00:22:29.180 We blow it up.

00:22:29.800 We leave.

00:22:30.180 We don't get anything.

00:22:31.900 And you're a big fan of exactly what I'm saying.

00:22:35.120 I'm meaning let's not do the stupid stuff.

00:22:37.520 Let's not do that.

00:22:37.540 It doesn't work.

00:22:38.040 It's stupid.

00:22:39.060 Endless wars.

00:22:39.860 Endless wars that they don't even want us.

00:22:43.180 You know, we got into wars.

00:22:44.560 They didn't even want us.

00:22:46.320 So all of that stuff.

00:22:48.740 You know, when I left four years ago, we had no wars.

00:22:52.540 We had no Israel and Hamas.

00:22:55.800 And by the way, it would have never happened because Iran was broke.

00:22:59.160 They were broke.

00:23:00.000 I had sanctions that were so strong on Iran.

00:23:02.400 They were totally broke.

00:23:03.920 They had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah.

00:23:06.440 We didn't have Russia, Ukraine.

00:23:08.000 That would have never happened, by the way.

00:23:09.680 We didn't have the Afghanistan embarrassment, one of the great embarrassments in the history

00:23:14.160 of our country.

00:23:14.880 We didn't have any inflation.

00:23:16.240 Don't forget, I charged China hundreds of billions worth of tariffs.

00:23:21.000 They talk about inflation.

00:23:22.040 We had no inflation because that doesn't cause inflation.

00:23:26.200 Stupidity causes inflation.

00:23:28.080 High energy caused inflation.

00:23:29.600 When they took over my energy, we were making it like nobody's ever seen.

00:23:35.600 And then the prices doubled.

00:23:37.820 By the way, because of that, Putin went in.

00:23:40.660 If they kept, you see what's going on with the energy now?

00:23:43.180 It's going down.

00:23:44.000 Yeah.

00:23:44.180 It makes it much harder for Putin to prosecute the war.

00:23:49.960 It was fascinating.

00:23:51.560 We talked about a few things.

00:23:56.760 Judicial insurrection was one of them.

00:24:00.160 Another pretty strong response on that one as well.

00:24:04.700 We'll continue in just a second.

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00:25:36.560 So, you know, I was trying to in this interview, and I hope this interview was helpful.

00:25:58.620 I'd love to hear from you if you watched the interview, 888-727-BECK, because I'd love your feedback on it.

00:26:06.220 You know, when you're in an interview and you're trying to navigate your way through it with the president of the United States,

00:26:12.520 it's a little dicey because he goes wherever he wants to go, and you're trying to control the interview to make it all lay out in a logical way,

00:26:23.480 and he's going, and I've probably had 50 questions for him.

00:26:28.080 I'm shuffling the cards trying to find, okay, how can I connect the next question so it leads me where I want to go?

00:26:34.380 And so you're playing this hijack of the conversation both ways, you know?

00:26:38.540 So, and so you don't know, and I really didn't have any idea when I finished what I had even asked him.

00:26:46.220 If I was, if somebody asked me, did you push him against the wall on things?

00:26:49.240 And I said, I don't even, I don't even know.

00:26:51.200 I hope I did, but I don't even know.

00:26:53.540 So I'd like to hear your comments on the interview, what you thought of it, and honest reviews.

00:27:00.380 You can call in at 888-727-BECK.

00:27:03.040 Anyway, I talked to him about, I talked to him about the GOP, and he was nicer on the GOP than I thought he would be.

00:27:14.220 Much nicer, actually.

00:27:16.400 Very complimentary.

00:27:17.840 Seemed to just basically say, you're jumping the gun, Glenn.

00:27:20.840 Yeah, he did.

00:27:22.060 He did.

00:27:22.580 And so I pushed him on it a couple of times and, you know, said, my audience really cares about two things.

00:27:29.540 Doge, the three things, Doge, the people go to jail that need to be prosecuted, and the other one is, you know, the Congress and the economy and tariffs.

00:27:45.780 I mean, and you can't do all of it without Congress.

00:27:49.080 And he was shocking, twice I came back at that.

00:27:53.940 Well, you push Congress.

00:27:55.580 And both times he was like, you know, you just, you're going to love the big, beautiful, they're going to pass it.

00:28:01.720 I know, I just love them.

00:28:03.400 Yeah, it was interesting.

00:28:04.840 I think he leaned on the pragmatic realities of what the Congress is, which is Congress with a very small majority.

00:28:15.140 And he mentioned, you know, it was seven seats in the House and three seats in the Senate.

00:28:20.080 And he said that, but he thought it was going to be enough.

00:28:22.660 He seemed to think that we needed, you know, one of the things we talked about, this is going back at the beginning of his administration,

00:28:28.480 was he kept picking House members to serve in his government.

00:28:35.120 And that shrunk their majorities temporarily.

00:28:38.020 So he seemed to be saying, like, look, we needed to get that straightened out first, win those special elections.

00:28:43.260 And then now we're in a position where we can get the big, beautiful bill done.

00:28:46.940 And he seemed to be incredibly optimistic about the bill.

00:28:50.500 I will say that was an interesting part of that interview because he was much more optimistic than I feel like I am right now.

00:28:57.980 So he either knows something that we don't know, or he is negotiating with them and playing nice until they go the right direction.

00:29:07.340 And if they don't go the right direction this time, I think he will change.

00:29:10.760 But I'm not sure.

00:29:12.480 He was shockingly in their corner for this.

00:29:16.100 He said they were doing a great job.

00:29:17.380 Yeah.

00:29:17.880 And there's a lot of complaints from the conservatives.

00:29:21.160 From me.

00:29:21.780 From you.

00:29:22.480 Yeah, you hit it hard.

00:29:23.340 Yeah.

00:29:23.800 And I, you know, I was, I think, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I think I was pretty clear on, you know, they got to do their job.

00:29:32.240 And I said, and what does all of this mean if they don't codify?

00:29:35.840 You got to get them to codify all this stuff.

00:29:38.120 And he said, Glenn, we get the big, beautiful bill.

00:29:40.420 Then we're going right to codification.

00:29:42.740 He's like, we're going to codify everything we just did in executive order.

00:29:46.160 That would be great.

00:29:46.880 And I think there's a tendency sometimes of Trump defenders when, you know, he wants something, it doesn't get done, or we all want something to get done, to not necessarily put blame on Trump, to put blame on Congress.

00:30:01.040 He was very clear that that didn't need to happen.

00:30:04.480 They're doing a good job.

00:30:05.840 They're going to get this across the finish line, which is pretty, pretty, I don't know.

00:30:12.560 I'm trying to think of the right word.

00:30:15.080 Trusting.

00:30:15.440 Yeah, but, I mean, optimistic.

00:30:17.120 You know, it was good to hear that that's what he sees.

00:30:21.560 I mean, he's talking to these people.

00:30:22.920 He knows where this thing stands right now.

00:30:24.820 Now, he's in the middle of a public interview.

00:30:26.960 You don't know.

00:30:27.360 He could be positioning it.

00:30:28.240 As you mentioned, it could be part of the negotiation.

00:30:30.560 But, you know, that's kind of him saying, we've got this under control.

00:30:34.480 Don't worry about it.

00:30:35.900 And he said all the stuff's going to be in this bill.

00:30:38.600 The big, beautiful bill has been sort of this generic term that he's used to kind of give us an idea.

00:30:43.880 He said it a couple of times.

00:30:44.760 Yeah.

00:30:45.700 Everything's in that bill.

00:30:46.820 Everything.

00:30:47.460 Everything's in that bill.

00:30:48.200 He said tax cuts, regulation cuts.

00:30:50.600 Right.

00:30:52.060 And I don't know if, I don't know.

00:30:54.720 Maybe he's thinking about putting the tariffs in that bill.

00:30:57.260 And that's an interesting part of it because that would also help the scoring of the bill.

00:31:01.760 If you put the tariffs in the bill, it's going to show revenue coming in from those tariffs.

00:31:07.420 And then that would help him put other things like tax cuts in the bill that are larger, for example.

00:31:13.960 There's a lot of strategy and weirdness here because you have to get a reduction in the deficit and the debt to be able to pass it through the reconciliation process.

00:31:24.340 So there's a lot of stuff.

00:31:25.520 I mean, it is a very complicated process.

00:31:27.200 But I think usually you'd go through a situation like this and say, if you have majorities as small as the Republicans have, you can't do this type of bill.

00:31:37.380 It's too difficult.

00:31:38.320 Yeah.

00:31:38.440 He's saying it's not.

00:31:40.460 And look, I think there's reason to believe he's going to be able to get people lined up behind this thing.

00:31:44.840 He's been very good at that.

00:31:47.420 Well, we'll see.

00:31:48.660 We'll see.

00:31:49.180 And I hope he is right.

00:31:50.500 You seem less convinced than he was.

00:31:53.080 No.

00:31:53.780 No, I have faith that he knows something that I don't know.

00:31:56.460 I just hope it's not misplaced trust.

00:32:02.620 Because I don't trust any of them.

00:32:04.060 Right.

00:32:04.620 You know what I mean?

00:32:04.940 I trust some of them as individuals, but as a collective, they're absolutely worthless.

00:32:09.140 Just worthless.

00:32:11.140 I also talked to him about the judges and how the judges are holding everything back.

00:32:18.460 And I used a term that Mike Lee has used, judicial insurrection.

00:32:24.720 And talked to him about Andrew Jackson.

00:32:27.560 He's a fan of Andrew Jackson.

00:32:29.240 And Andrew Jackson, he went to court with the federal judges, not the Supreme Court.

00:32:34.640 The federal judges.

00:32:36.040 And he said, well, they've got their opinion.

00:32:37.980 I have mine.

00:32:38.920 The good thing about judges is they don't have an enforcement arm.

00:32:42.660 So let them enforce it.

00:32:44.820 And he just went on.

00:32:46.760 And constitutional, I mean, he just kept going.

00:32:50.680 So I asked him about that.

00:32:53.040 Listen to what Donald Trump said.

00:32:54.200 Well, I hope we don't have that problem.

00:32:57.200 And I hope we don't have to get into it.

00:32:59.300 But I will say we have millions of people in this country right now that are criminals.

00:33:04.180 And you see how fast we're getting them out.

00:33:07.000 And we're going to get them out even faster.

00:33:09.020 But when you have to get out and do court cases for individual people, and you would have, in theory, millions of court cases, you know what that means.

00:33:18.300 If you had one court case, it takes forever.

00:33:21.400 Millions of court cases?

00:33:23.340 They're really saying you're not allowed to do what I was elected to do.

00:33:26.860 I was elected for a very big part of it was the border and getting people out.

00:33:31.380 Because I said, and the stats reveal it, when you look at Trin de Aragua, when you look at MS-13, when you look at these gangs and just really bad criminals coming in.

00:33:42.300 You know, we have many murderers, people that killed, 50 percent of which killed more than one person.

00:33:48.740 They put them into our country through open borders, and now we have to go to court to cut them out?

00:33:56.200 I don't think the people of our country are going to stand for it.

00:34:00.120 Let me go to Andrea in Arizona who's listening.

00:34:03.480 Hi, Andrea.

00:34:05.080 Hi, how are you?

00:34:06.120 I watched the interview.

00:34:07.060 It was wonderful.

00:34:08.200 And, you know, I'm seeing a new Donald Trump.

00:34:10.560 I'm sure you, I know you've mentioned this before.

00:34:12.860 And he is so calm, so precise, so measured.

00:34:16.620 And I'm just wondering, is he like that only during the interviews, or is he like that before and after the interview?

00:34:25.020 What you saw, there was no difference in the Donald Trump that you saw in the interview that I saw giving me a tour of the White House yesterday.

00:34:33.040 No difference.

00:34:34.220 He is, if anything, did I tell about the, did I talk about the nondisclosure I had to sign?

00:34:43.580 You didn't talk about it on the air, no.

00:34:45.460 So, if anything, he is more genuine and more heart-driven than what you see.

00:34:54.580 He was, he gave me a tour of the White House, and we went up to the executive residence.

00:35:00.420 Nobody goes up to the executive residence.

00:35:02.760 And I'm like, you know.

00:35:04.920 And we do the tour of the Lincoln bedroom.

00:35:07.980 And then he takes us to places that you don't go to.

00:35:11.180 And he was showing us stuff.

00:35:13.580 And he was, I can't, at the end of this section, we come down the stairs from the executive residence.

00:35:20.240 And on the table there at the bottom of the stairs were two pieces of paper, one for my wife and one for me, that we had to sign.

00:35:28.240 And I said, what is this?

00:35:29.240 And they said, the president doesn't want anything other than the Lincoln bedroom, any of your conversations shared.

00:35:34.960 And I was like, I was devastated.

00:35:36.940 Because that was the thing I was most excited to share with the audience.

00:35:40.600 Because it shows who he is.

00:35:42.780 It shows, he's a remarkable man.

00:35:50.280 And I sat there and I just, I mean, I had to sign it.

00:35:54.860 And I sat there and I wanted to, I just wanted to say, why?

00:35:58.660 Why?

00:35:59.200 This is the side of you that people should know about.

00:36:03.160 And I can't say anything about it.

00:36:05.340 So, he's much, he leads by his heart much more than what you know.

00:36:12.780 Hmm.

00:36:13.920 There's something that happened also that my wife caught that didn't happen up there that I'm struggling with whether or not I should say anything.

00:36:20.940 I want to call the White House and just say, because it was caught on film.

00:36:26.560 And we caught it on a frame.

00:36:31.520 And I think we, well.

00:36:33.680 Do they put you in Guantanamo if you talk about it?

00:36:36.100 No, not that.

00:36:37.160 I don't know about the other part.

00:36:38.200 But he's better than, he's better than he is, you know, more calm and just more real.

00:36:45.020 He is so strangely the guy who is gilding the White House Oval Office.

00:36:51.140 He is gilding it.

00:36:52.380 But he is so normal and so common.

00:36:59.580 I don't know how he became this way.

00:37:01.520 I really don't.

00:37:02.320 He's the guy who's like, it's the greatest gold of all gold.

00:37:05.460 Nobody said gold could be any more golden than this gold.

00:37:08.940 And yet, he's just like you.

00:37:11.780 He's like everything you would hope a really good man that you respected was actually like.

00:37:19.600 That's great.

00:37:20.820 That's pretty consistent, even in the reporting from sources who don't like him.

00:37:25.380 They say, you know, behind the scenes, you know, he is a very engaging, endearing guy.

00:37:31.140 Yeah, he is.

00:37:32.560 He's the real deal.

00:37:34.680 He's the real deal.

00:37:35.220 That's fascinating.

00:37:35.840 Well, I mean, as we all know, and I think Sarah will back me up on this, at some point,

00:37:39.520 you're totally going to screw this up and say something about what you're not supposed to say.

00:37:42.660 I said it in a meeting.

00:37:43.760 Yeah, it's 100%.

00:37:44.820 I mean, I don't know how long it's going to take.

00:37:46.780 It might take a month.

00:37:47.440 It might take a year.

00:37:48.260 I won't.

00:37:48.720 At some point, you'll blurt something out.

00:37:50.600 I won't.

00:37:50.860 And we will alert the authorities and make sure that they know that you violated the agreement.

00:37:57.740 If there was something bad?

00:37:59.740 You know I would.

00:38:00.560 You know I would.

00:38:01.280 I couldn't.

00:38:02.180 I couldn't.

00:38:02.540 You would blurt it out.

00:38:03.120 The country is going to be, you know, the nukes are going to fly and be like, I got to tell you.

00:38:08.520 Don't put him on signal.

00:38:10.340 Don't put me on there.

00:38:11.240 Right, yeah.

00:38:11.840 But you think you'll be able to hold it.

00:38:13.800 Because at some point, we'll obviously get this out of you.

00:38:15.980 No, I'm just disappointed.

00:38:18.380 I'm just disappointed that I can't tell you.

00:38:21.140 Because I think you would really, I think you'd like it.

00:38:23.620 I think you'd like it a lot.

00:38:25.460 You'd like it a lot.

00:38:26.220 He's a good man.

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00:42:14.340 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

00:42:16.800 Let me go to Mike in Texas.

00:42:17.940 Hello, Mike.

00:42:18.580 Welcome.

00:42:19.340 Hello.

00:42:20.120 Hey, how are you?

00:42:21.820 I'm great.

00:42:22.560 Your presentation last night was exactly what I expected.

00:42:26.560 You had a deep seat, a split-fingered grip, and you let that bull ride.

00:42:31.160 Good.

00:42:32.620 Good.

00:42:33.300 But when you got to Bondi and Patel, he dodged that one and you let him dodge it.

00:42:40.660 And there may very well be reasons that you did.

00:42:44.500 Running out of time is one of them.

00:42:46.060 And we just don't need to know right now is another.

00:42:48.460 So here's why I here may I explain why I didn't push back.

00:42:53.060 And I pushed back after the interview in the hallway and I got the same answer and I knew I would get the same answer.

00:42:59.240 So that's one reason why I didn't push back.

00:43:01.360 The second is I had information from others who are near Cash and Bondi who said pretty much the same thing the president did,

00:43:12.880 except they added Congress is holding up the nominations of the others and the you know, it's the rhinos.

00:43:23.740 They were like, you know, we gave him all of his people for the for his cabinet.

00:43:28.340 You can wait until August to get the rest of them.

00:43:31.380 And they're very frustrated.

00:43:33.100 But what I was told by others around those two was that they are kind of surrounded right now and can't move.

00:43:41.960 So when the president said, look, it's early, but I think they're doing a good job.

00:43:47.740 I translated that into it's early.

00:43:51.160 They don't have their people hang tight.

00:43:53.320 I could be wrong, but that's why I didn't push him on that, because the other thing that that goes back into.

00:43:59.580 And I pushed him twice or three times on Congress was Congress.

00:44:03.600 And he kept he kept, you know, having faith in Congress as well.

00:44:08.420 And I thought that was a negotiating tool.

00:44:11.320 So I couldn't make any real progress there, because I think he was solidly in the place of Congress.

00:44:17.640 So he could maybe talk them nicely into doing the things he needed them to do.

00:44:23.840 But I think a hammer will come for Congress if they fail on this bill.

00:44:27.780 Does that help you at all?

00:44:29.040 I hope it does.

00:44:30.260 We'll have more on this coming up.

00:44:32.360 And you can watch it right now on Blaze TV, blazetv.com slash Glenn.

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00:44:50.900 And it was something.

00:44:53.500 Oh, my my private tour of the Roosevelt room that I gave while we were waiting for the president.

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00:47:11.940 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

00:47:17.940 Hello, America.

00:47:19.940 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:47:20.940 Yesterday I spent about three hours at the White House, three or four hours.

00:47:24.940 And I learned a lot.

00:47:26.940 And we had the broadcast last night from the White House with the president.

00:47:30.940 I want to go over some of that.

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00:49:04.940 You got my wife on the phone yet?

00:49:05.940 Try to get my wife on the phone.

00:49:07.940 You know, Sarah said to me in the break, she said,

00:49:12.940 I'm more interested in what your wife has to think about it.

00:49:15.940 And I'm like, what?

00:49:16.940 I mean, I'm the broadcaster of the family.

00:49:19.940 Yeah, but she is not a huge history nerd like you are.

00:49:22.940 And she's not impressed by anything.

00:49:24.940 So I figured she might be impressed about this trip.

00:49:27.940 Yeah.

00:49:28.940 You know, it's so that is so Tanya in a nutshell.

00:49:30.940 She is.

00:49:31.940 She's not.

00:49:32.940 She's been invited to.

00:49:33.940 I've gone to the White House maybe three times.

00:49:35.940 I take my kids every time because she's like, no, I'd rather.

00:49:38.940 I don't want to go.

00:49:39.940 I mean, what are we going to do?

00:49:41.940 We're going to get all dressed up and go someplace.

00:49:43.940 Honey, it's the White House.

00:49:44.940 And she's like, yeah, whatever.

00:49:46.940 So she's she first time she went to Mar-a-Lago was just a couple of months ago.

00:49:50.940 This is her first time at the White House.

00:49:53.940 And I know she had an amazing day, but you're right.

00:49:59.940 I would like to hear what she has to say about all the history stuff.

00:50:02.940 It's interesting.

00:50:03.940 Unfortunately, she said no.

00:50:05.940 Oh, did she say no?

00:50:06.940 Mm hmm.

00:50:07.940 She won't come on the air?

00:50:08.940 She won't come on the air.

00:50:09.940 Oh, call her back up.

00:50:10.940 Call her back up right now.

00:50:11.940 Call her back up.

00:50:12.940 I'll do it.

00:50:13.940 I like my job.

00:50:14.940 I'm not going to.

00:50:15.940 You work for me, not for her.

00:50:16.940 Oh, I don't know if that's true.

00:50:18.940 She's more important for sure.

00:50:19.940 There's no doubt.

00:50:20.940 Call her up.

00:50:21.940 She said no.

00:50:22.940 Just call her up.

00:50:23.940 No means no, Glenn.

00:50:25.940 I'm calling her.

00:50:26.940 I'm calling her.

00:50:27.940 I'm calling her on my.

00:50:28.940 I'm going to FaceTime her right now.

00:50:29.940 This is a good idea.

00:50:30.940 I'm going to FaceTime her right now.

00:50:32.940 Why?

00:50:33.940 Why is this so dumb?

00:50:34.940 I mean, I'm just saying she has expressed what her will is, and you are seemingly harassing

00:50:43.940 her.

00:50:44.940 I'm not harassing her.

00:50:45.940 She's at home right now.

00:50:46.940 She's at home.

00:50:47.940 I can track her.

00:50:48.940 Oh, I'm tracking her.

00:50:49.940 You can track her.

00:50:50.940 I can track her.

00:50:51.940 There's a lot being uncovered right now.

00:50:52.940 There is.

00:50:53.940 We're learning a lot about this relationship.

00:50:55.940 Did she just block me?

00:50:56.940 Here we go.

00:50:57.940 Here we go.

00:50:58.940 Oh, yeah.

00:50:59.940 I wish she blocked him.

00:51:00.940 That would have been the best.

00:51:02.940 She blocked me.

00:51:05.940 Oh, I'm calling again.

00:51:07.940 You're just kidding.

00:51:08.940 She's listening and she's blocking me.

00:51:10.940 Yeah, because she doesn't want to come out.

00:51:12.940 She said specifically no.

00:51:14.940 She just did it again.

00:51:16.940 Because she's not interested in you or what you want.

00:51:19.940 She's with her boyfriend.

00:51:21.940 She's with Manuel, the pew pool boy.

00:51:23.940 Yeah, we don't need.

00:51:24.940 I didn't even know we had a pool boy, but that's who she's with.

00:51:28.940 Unbelievable.

00:51:29.940 Oh, I'm calling you.

00:51:30.940 I am calling you when you least expect it, honey.

00:51:32.940 Expect it.

00:51:33.940 I'll call you.

00:51:35.940 What can you describe how she felt about this?

00:51:37.940 It was a different than previous.

00:51:38.940 I mean, you've been.

00:51:39.940 I don't know.

00:51:40.940 I didn't even think of that.

00:51:41.940 I didn't even think about your wife's feelings.

00:51:42.940 No wonder.

00:51:43.940 She said no.

00:51:44.940 I didn't think about it at all.

00:51:46.940 No, I mean, we were with each other and I knew she had a great time and we talked about

00:51:50.940 it, but I didn't ask her like, what'd you think of the history part?

00:51:53.940 You know, it's like she's not into that.

00:51:56.940 You know, she is like we are polar opposites.

00:51:58.940 And so it's the reason why we have such a great marriage, because if we were the same, we destroy

00:52:03.940 each other.

00:52:06.940 It'd be bad.

00:52:08.940 It would be bad.

00:52:10.940 And so we get along because she's just not interested in a lot of this stuff.

00:52:14.940 She's not interested in politics and she's not impressed by anything.

00:52:19.940 And I love her for that.

00:52:21.940 She's the one that's kept me grounded because she's like, oh, really big shot?

00:52:24.940 Oh, yeah, that's really cool.

00:52:26.940 And I'm like, well, I thought it was.

00:52:28.940 This is you being grounded?

00:52:29.940 Yeah.

00:52:30.940 Wow.

00:52:31.940 I guess I'm sure she had a positive influence.

00:52:35.940 All right.

00:52:36.940 Let's go to Chris in Texas.

00:52:38.940 Maybe I'll find a friend there.

00:52:39.940 Hi, Chris.

00:52:40.940 Hey, thanks for taking my call.

00:52:43.940 You bet.

00:52:44.940 I appreciate those marriage tips from you.

00:52:46.940 Hey, I wanted to say a great job on the interview last night.

00:52:53.940 You know, you know, getting President Trump unfiltered and kind of unbiased.

00:52:58.940 I was listening to my 10 year old at dinner last night, you know, and it's really tough

00:53:03.940 to get quality, truthful sources and, you know, especially for the kids.

00:53:07.940 And so it's great to kind of see him, you know, in that, you know, where you were kind of

00:53:11.940 not guiding him, but letting him be himself.

00:53:13.940 And to me, it kind of equated to the during the campaign, the Joe Rogan moment.

00:53:18.940 No, we did the interview for a couple hours.

00:53:20.940 Yeah.

00:53:21.940 For some people really saw him.

00:53:22.940 Like, that's kind of what I thought about last night.

00:53:23.940 It's like, man, I've been waiting for an update to three months.

00:53:25.940 Now I'm finally seeing it, you know?

00:53:27.940 Wow.

00:53:28.940 Good.

00:53:29.940 You know, when you're doing it, you have absolutely no idea.

00:53:31.940 And even I'm watching it this morning and I was like, I don't know if that, I don't know

00:53:36.940 what worked.

00:53:37.940 I don't know what didn't work.

00:53:38.940 I don't know what people got out of it.

00:53:39.940 So I'm glad to hear that.

00:53:40.940 Thank you.

00:53:41.940 Appreciate it, Chris.

00:53:42.940 Let me go to Laura in Florida.

00:53:44.940 Hello, Laura.

00:53:45.940 Hello, Glenn.

00:53:47.940 It was, it was really excellent.

00:53:50.940 I've been able to watch all of his interviews with all these different anchors and, and people

00:53:57.940 and, um, maybe missed a couple of the nature of my professional life has made that possible.

00:54:01.940 I was so struck by your command of the situation.

00:54:06.940 And I'm telling you, Trump trusts you.

00:54:08.940 And I think that's why it went so well.

00:54:10.940 Um, your questions were spot on.

00:54:13.940 There were pauses where no one was trying to talk over or interrupt him.

00:54:17.940 You found the moments.

00:54:19.940 It was just a flow that I just had not seen yet.

00:54:21.940 I loved it.

00:54:22.940 I thought it was most excellent.

00:54:24.940 And, um, as you were saying earlier in the program, it really shows us who Donald Trump

00:54:29.940 really is and, uh, and told me a lot about you too.

00:54:33.940 So I want to thank you for that.

00:54:34.940 It was, it was really, really excellent.

00:54:36.940 Great.

00:54:37.940 Thank you, Laura.

00:54:38.940 I tell you, I wish I'm going to go back and ask him if he do something different with

00:54:43.940 me.

00:54:44.940 Um, uh, at the white house next time, next time I go, I'm going to see if I can get some

00:54:49.940 different kind of interview because you really didn't see, you didn't see the best parts

00:54:54.940 of him.

00:54:55.940 You really didn't.

00:54:56.940 I was allowed to.

00:54:57.940 And, uh, and his staff even said, he said, they said, as, as he was leaving, his staff

00:55:04.940 said, he's not like this with other people.

00:55:07.940 She's, she said, he's, he's like a kid in a candy store with you.

00:55:10.940 He's like all about history and just like, look at this, look at this.

00:55:13.940 Cause he was taking me.

00:55:14.940 I mean, he was literally almost like dragging me into places like coming, coming, coming.

00:55:17.940 I got to show you this.

00:55:18.940 It was so amazing to see how excited he was about the history of our country and preservation

00:55:26.940 of our history.

00:55:27.940 He's, he was just remarkable, just remarkable.

00:55:30.940 I wish I could show that part of him to you.

00:55:32.940 Uh, Pam in Texas.

00:55:34.940 Hi.

00:55:35.940 Hi, how are y'all doing this morning?

00:55:37.940 I am good.

00:55:38.940 How are you, Pam?

00:55:39.940 I'm good.

00:55:40.940 Um, I totally agree with the last caller.

00:55:43.940 The last caller, Laura, I thought it was one of the best interviews I've seen.

00:55:48.940 And I've caught every one of them.

00:55:50.940 He was, he was, he was different with you.

00:55:53.940 He was relaxed and he was, I can't really put my finger on it, but he just seemed to,

00:56:00.940 uh, enjoy it, relish it.

00:56:02.940 Um, and I really thought it was one of the best interviews I've ever seen of anybody.

00:56:08.940 Wow.

00:56:09.940 Wow.

00:56:10.940 Thank you.

00:56:11.940 I appreciate y'all doing that.

00:56:13.940 And, uh, I have love, I can't wait for the next one.

00:56:16.940 Yeah.

00:56:17.940 Thank you very much.

00:56:18.940 I, I, uh, it was, um, it's so odd because I can't judge it.

00:56:23.940 It's so odd.

00:56:24.940 I don't see.

00:56:25.940 Did you see, did you feel it was different than other interviews that you've seen with

00:56:29.940 him?

00:56:30.940 Are you sensing that?

00:56:31.940 Cause I just didn't.

00:56:32.940 It didn't.

00:56:33.940 It didn't.

00:56:34.940 It did.

00:56:35.940 It did feel more relaxed.

00:56:36.940 It felt more conversational.

00:56:37.940 It didn't feel like he was, you know, trying to get some agenda through.

00:56:41.940 I think he was legitimately trying to answer your questions and bring you through his thought

00:56:45.940 process.

00:56:46.940 I was like, I'm not prepared for you to stop.

00:56:49.940 I, you know what I mean?

00:56:50.940 Cause he, he can talk and talk and talk and talk.

00:56:53.940 Oh yeah.

00:56:54.940 You know what I mean?

00:56:55.940 And, uh, he answered a few questions like, okay, go ahead, come, come back at me, which

00:57:01.940 I thought was interesting.

00:57:02.940 Was the first time I think I've seen that with him.

00:57:05.940 Uh, so maybe that was different.

00:57:07.940 Uh, Melanie in Florida.

00:57:08.940 Hi, Melanie.

00:57:09.940 Y'all know how to make our day by making us laugh.

00:57:12.940 And you seem pretty real too.

00:57:14.940 And I sure did enjoy it that you address the tyrannical judicial insurrection.

00:57:20.940 That was one of my main concerns.

00:57:22.940 And you showed us that he is totally aware of it and he knows his options and he just seemed

00:57:28.940 in control of it.

00:57:29.940 And I really appreciated that because that was one of the worst things that I was fearing.

00:57:34.940 Nothing was going to be done about that.

00:57:36.940 So I want to thank you.

00:57:37.940 Did a really good job.

00:57:38.940 Thank you.

00:57:39.940 You know, we were up in the, um, the Lincoln bedroom and we were talking about Lincoln

00:57:45.940 and, uh, and he, he looked at me at one point and he said, you know, you said that

00:57:50.940 you don't like Jackson.

00:57:51.940 Why don't you like Andrew Jackson?

00:57:53.940 And I said, well, you know, trail of tears was not real good.

00:57:57.940 And he went, okay, good point.

00:57:59.940 Good point.

00:58:00.940 And I said, and he was corrupt.

00:58:01.940 You know, he would, he would tell his friends, Hey, by the way, I'm going to be seizing this

00:58:07.940 Indian land and, uh, be auctioning off, you know, first come first serve.

00:58:12.940 Maybe you should get down there.

00:58:13.940 You know, it's going to happen tomorrow.

00:58:15.940 So he was enriching his friends.

00:58:16.940 I said, so he's corrupt and dirty.

00:58:18.940 And he said, but the judicial part you were okay with.

00:58:22.940 And I said, oh yeah, with what he did with the judges, absolutely fine.

00:58:27.940 It's constitutional.

00:58:28.940 Yes.

00:58:29.940 I'm fine with that.

00:58:30.940 And he's like, yeah, that's the part that I really like.

00:58:32.940 So he has been thinking about what do we do with these judges?

00:58:37.940 And he's not going to, I didn't get the impression he's going there first.

00:58:40.940 He's going to write it out and try to work the system as long as he can.

00:58:44.940 And then if they just won't, if they just keep doing this, he's going to draw a line and

00:58:48.940 he has the right constitutionally to do it.

00:58:51.940 When, when you have somebody like Mike Lee, who is the least radical of anybody, uh, I

00:58:57.940 mean, I'm surprised the guy doesn't have a flat top haircut.

00:59:00.940 You know what I mean?

00:59:01.940 He's like, Mr.

00:59:02.940 Leave it to beaver 1950s.

00:59:03.940 He's so clean cut.

00:59:05.940 Um, but when he says this is judicial insurrection, uh, you can pretty much bank on that, that

00:59:13.940 it would have constitutional, uh, weight behind it if he acted that way.

00:59:18.940 And I was, I was pleased to see that he has really thought deeply about it and constitutionally

00:59:25.940 about it as well.

00:59:26.940 Let me go to a bill.

00:59:28.940 Hi, Bill.

00:59:29.940 Welcome.

00:59:30.940 Hey, hi, Glenn.

00:59:32.940 Uh, I've got a little bit different take on your interview with the president yesterday.

00:59:37.940 Uh, I thought even I'll start at the beginning where you did, you spent the first five to

00:59:43.940 seven minutes talking when you could have been asking the president questions.

00:59:49.940 Okay.

00:59:50.940 Hold on just a second.

00:59:51.940 Let me, let me, let me take these one by one here.

00:59:53.940 Um, okay.

00:59:54.940 If you've ever interviewed a president where, you know, you're going to ask tough questions,

00:59:59.940 you, and you were on, you had told them that this was about the hundred days and the accomplishments

01:00:05.940 that the administration has made.

01:00:07.940 You better start with the accomplishments that the administration has made.

01:00:11.940 Uh, and, and give them a little candy before you sour things up.

01:00:17.940 So that's the reason why I did spend about three, four minutes there at the beginning,

01:00:21.940 making it very easy, but go ahead.

01:00:24.940 And, uh, another part of it was Donald Trump kept going back to, Oh, 2016.

01:00:30.940 We had the greatest economy ever.

01:00:33.940 And I walked away with it thinking I didn't learn anything that I previously didn't know.

01:00:42.940 And in addition, one of the biggies is the debt bomb, which he kind of danced around, but

01:00:51.940 nothing in, in you briefly mentioned it with, Hey, you started with 2 trillion, but you ended

01:00:58.940 up with 150 billion in cuts.

01:01:03.940 You're right.

01:01:04.940 I didn't push him on that.

01:01:05.940 I wish I would have.

01:01:06.940 I didn't push him on that.

01:01:07.940 Okay.

01:01:08.940 Okay.

01:01:09.940 That, and the, the, the other one was the Pam Bondi deal in the justice department.

01:01:14.940 So let's use the Tesla's with, it was supposed to be an act of terrorism.

01:01:20.940 We have, well, she is going, wait, wait, wait.

01:01:23.940 She is going after the Tesla people that, that they are going after.

01:01:27.940 I don't have a problem with what she's doing.

01:01:28.940 The Tesla, I'm worried about some of the other things that she has been ignoring, but tell

01:01:33.940 me where, I mean, she has been going on against the Tesla.

01:01:36.940 Where is she dropping the ball on that?

01:01:38.940 Well, let's start with the JFK special.

01:01:41.940 When she announced that, Hey, here's what we're going to do.

01:01:45.940 This is going to be a bombshell.

01:01:47.940 It's going to be this and, and, and nothing happened.

01:01:51.940 Okay.

01:01:52.940 So we haven't heard anything since then.

01:01:54.940 So let me, I did explain the Pam Bondi thing.

01:01:57.940 And the reason why I let him skate on that is because I have information from people who

01:02:03.940 are around those individuals that I pushed before the interview.

01:02:09.940 They were not connected to the white house and I pushed them beforehand.

01:02:13.940 And I said, look, I am really concerned.

01:02:15.940 My audience is very concerned.

01:02:16.940 If people start, don't start to go to jail for things that are legitimate, legitimately jail

01:02:22.940 worthy.

01:02:23.940 If they're not prosecuted, my audience is really going to be upset.

01:02:27.940 And I am too.

01:02:28.940 It, nothing will change if we don't clean this system up and both in separate situations,

01:02:35.940 both of them said, you don't understand Congress and it's the rhinos.

01:02:40.940 Congress is holding back some of the people that they need as second and third ranks that

01:02:47.940 have to be confirmed.

01:02:48.940 And the Congress is saying, you know, like we gave you everybody you wanted.

01:02:52.940 You can wait.

01:02:53.940 We'll take our time on the rest of them.

01:02:54.940 And they're holding them up until possibly even August.

01:02:57.940 Um, and that's, that's, you can't do that.

01:03:01.940 And so it's Congress.

01:03:03.940 And so I was stuck in this trap with him of pushing him into a place to where if that

01:03:11.940 is the answer, he wasn't going to give me the answer because he was, he was negotiating

01:03:17.940 with Congress, I believe on the big, beautiful bill.

01:03:21.940 So the only answer I was going to get from him was it's not Congress.

01:03:25.940 It's that's not what it is.

01:03:27.940 And so what he gave me and I accepted because of the additional information I had, I accepted,

01:03:34.940 uh, he said, it's early, let them work.

01:03:38.940 It's early.

01:03:39.940 What I interpreted that was, yeah, what I interpreted that as is they've got things they have to

01:03:46.940 do first.

01:03:47.940 Uh, and I will come back to him, you know, you know, if I talk to him again, we have another

01:03:53.940 sit down by the end of the year.

01:03:54.940 I will come back to him if nothing has changed and said, okay, it's not early anymore.

01:03:58.940 We've waited what's happening.

01:04:00.940 And Bill, it's just to summarize what you're saying here.

01:04:02.940 You're saying Glenn was a miserable failure during the interview.

01:04:04.940 Is that correct?

01:04:05.940 No, that's not what I was.

01:04:07.940 See, thank you, Bill.

01:04:09.940 You are a genius.

01:04:11.940 You're a genius.

01:04:12.940 Bill.

01:04:13.940 Thank you very much.

01:04:14.940 I hope that answered your question.

01:04:15.940 Did that help you?

01:04:16.940 Yeah, it did.

01:04:17.940 Yes, it did.

01:04:18.940 All right.

01:04:19.940 Thanks guys.

01:04:20.940 Thank you.

01:04:21.940 I appreciate it.

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01:05:51.940 Uh, welcome to the, uh, program, Jennifer.

01:05:54.940 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

01:05:57.940 Oh my gosh.

01:05:58.940 I'm so excited.

01:05:59.940 I get to talk to you.

01:06:00.940 I've talked to Rush Limbaugh.

01:06:02.940 Wow.

01:06:03.940 I've talked to Sean Hannity, Paul W. Smith, Frank Beckman.

01:06:06.940 Now I get to talk to you.

01:06:08.940 Wow.

01:06:09.940 There you go.

01:06:10.940 Thank you.

01:06:11.940 Okay.

01:06:12.940 I'm actually talking to Stu.

01:06:13.940 Thank you.

01:06:15.940 I love you.

01:06:16.940 I love you.

01:06:17.940 You are great, Jennifer.

01:06:18.940 All right.

01:06:19.940 Go ahead.

01:06:20.940 All right.

01:06:21.940 Stu, you said earlier that President Trump looked relaxed.

01:06:24.940 I thought he looked very relaxed and I loved his posture, but Glenn, I'm an artist like

01:06:29.940 you.

01:06:30.940 So I don't want to talk politics.

01:06:32.940 I want to talk about something else.

01:06:33.940 Yeah.

01:06:34.940 What did you see art wise that you didn't expect to see that you've never seen before

01:06:38.940 or that struck you that it was hanging in that spot?

01:06:40.940 I'm not talking about the Hillary.

01:06:42.940 Okay.

01:06:43.940 So yeah, no, there's a couple of things.

01:06:46.940 First, the painting that I've seen in a picture in a, in a book a million times, a history

01:06:51.940 book of, of a young George Washington with the, with this, I think his hand in his vest

01:06:56.940 and the sword by his side.

01:06:58.940 You've seen it a million times hanging over the fireplace of the Oval Office.

01:07:01.940 It's been sitting in a closet for maybe a hundred years.

01:07:05.940 A hundred years.

01:07:06.940 It was amazing to see a Jefferson painting that hasn't been seen in 150 years.

01:07:10.940 The way Donald Trump has moved the paintings around in the white house, uh, to tell the

01:07:16.940 story of the presidents.

01:07:18.940 The fact that I couldn't find one painting of George W. Bush, I could find Barack Obama,

01:07:26.940 but not one painting of George W. Bush.

01:07:30.940 That's interesting.

01:07:31.940 Very interesting.

01:07:32.940 Um, and, uh, the fact that the president hasn't like an, uh, liked a single portrait of his

01:07:40.940 and he gets two because it's a broken, uh, presidency first term that another president,

01:07:45.940 then his second term, he hasn't found the right portrait of him yet.

01:07:50.940 This is Glenn Beck.

01:07:53.940 Uh, you don't buy homeowners insurance because you expect your house to burn down.

01:07:58.940 You buy it because if it did, you'd want to be ready.

01:08:01.940 That's pretty much exactly what buying gold is all about.

01:08:04.940 The house could burn down at any minute.

01:08:06.940 Probably should have some insurance.

01:08:08.940 Right now.

01:08:09.940 Markets are a roller coaster.

01:08:11.940 Interest rates will be, uh, this time.

01:08:14.940 I don't even know.

01:08:15.940 What will they be next time?

01:08:16.940 The value of your dollar.

01:08:17.940 I don't know.

01:08:18.940 It's going to be next month, but it's getting eroded little by little.

01:08:21.940 And more and more Americans are calling Lear capital.

01:08:24.940 Now they're not waiting for the crisis.

01:08:26.940 They're planning around one.

01:08:27.940 You know, America always waits until things get really expensive.

01:08:30.940 And then they're like, I got to get me some of that.

01:08:32.940 Why?

01:08:33.940 Why?

01:08:34.940 Why?

01:08:35.940 Gold is, uh, is it up again today?

01:08:37.940 Bitcoin is down.

01:08:38.940 I'm trying to find gold.

01:08:40.940 It's, it's up in the 33 to 3500 range.

01:08:43.940 That is insane.

01:08:44.940 Uh, I think it was Goldman Sachs came out and said they're expecting it to be over $4,000

01:08:49.940 by the end of the year.

01:08:51.940 What?

01:08:53.940 A year ago, I was talking about the, uh, the $4,200 gold report and people thought that was

01:08:58.940 nuts.

01:08:59.940 We're almost there.

01:09:00.940 Call Lear capital today and get that $4,200 gold report before it's $5,000.

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01:09:16.940 Hi, Tonya.

01:09:30.940 Hi.

01:09:32.940 Hello.

01:09:34.940 Hello.

01:09:35.940 How are you, honey?

01:09:37.940 Oh, great.

01:09:38.940 Yeah.

01:09:39.940 I know.

01:09:40.940 Excited to be on, Tonya?

01:09:41.940 I'm so excited too.

01:09:42.940 I can't even tell you.

01:09:44.940 She's impressed with showbiz.

01:09:45.940 I was waiting for it.

01:09:46.940 I was waiting for the call, quite honestly.

01:09:48.940 I was like, why haven't they called me yet?

01:09:51.940 So, uh, Sarah said she's less interested in hearing me talk about the experience of the

01:09:57.940 White House and wants to hear more about you.

01:09:59.940 Now, remember you are, you did sign a nondisclosure on some parts.

01:10:04.940 Yeah.

01:10:05.940 But, uh, what, what was your whole, Sarah, what was it you wanted?

01:10:09.940 Well, I've known, Tanya, I love you dearly.

01:10:13.940 Don't take this out on me.

01:10:15.940 Um, but I've worked with Glenn for 20 years.

01:10:17.940 He's talked about you so much and how you're never impressed with anything.

01:10:20.940 And he's like a kid in a candy store with that sort of stuff.

01:10:23.940 So I was just wondering how you considered it.

01:10:26.940 Was it impressive at all?

01:10:27.940 Was it something that you?

01:10:29.940 You.

01:10:30.940 Oh my gosh.

01:10:31.940 Yeah.

01:10:32.940 It was unbelievable.

01:10:35.940 Just being in the Oval Office was amazing.

01:10:39.940 I've never been in the office before.

01:10:41.940 And so that was just walking in there was so humbling and, you know, just keep pinching

01:10:47.940 myself because I couldn't really believe I was there.

01:10:49.940 And then getting the tour after the interview was phenomenal.

01:10:53.940 I think the last time I was there was in a high school trip and we actually could go

01:10:59.940 into the White House at that point and didn't see very much.

01:11:01.940 But what we saw yesterday was phenomenal.

01:11:04.940 What'd you think of him?

01:11:06.940 Oh, he's great.

01:11:07.940 I mean, he's, he's a normal, regular guy.

01:11:10.940 You know, he's very intimidating at first when you meet him, but he just makes you feel

01:11:15.940 comfortable.

01:11:16.940 And how do you mean he's intimidating when you first meet him?

01:11:18.940 What does that mean?

01:11:19.940 Well, he's the president of the United States for heaven's sake.

01:11:21.940 I mean, my gosh.

01:11:22.940 Yeah.

01:11:23.940 Like responsibility.

01:11:24.940 No, I know.

01:11:25.940 I know.

01:11:26.940 It's, you know, that's why he says, he'll say to me from time to time, he'll be like,

01:11:31.940 why didn't you call me?

01:11:32.940 And I'm like, cause you're the president of the United States.

01:11:35.940 I, you know, just call him.

01:11:37.940 Hey, Don, what are you doing?

01:11:39.940 Yeah.

01:11:40.940 Right.

01:11:41.940 You know?

01:11:42.940 Yeah.

01:11:43.940 I get that.

01:11:44.940 What'd you think of the history that he, I mean, in his grasp of his history?

01:11:47.940 Yeah.

01:11:48.940 He's, he, he knows this stuff.

01:11:51.940 It's clear.

01:11:52.940 Pretty amazing.

01:11:53.940 He studied and he knows, yeah, the history, the president, you know, what they did,

01:11:58.940 the kind of people they were.

01:12:00.940 Yeah.

01:12:01.940 Did you sense any, uh, any hesitation on anything that we talked about on, you know,

01:12:10.940 on where he was going or that you felt like, felt a little weird about that?

01:12:16.940 No, no, he was clear.

01:12:19.940 He was really clear on everything.

01:12:22.940 So you were impressed by where your husband took you yesterday.

01:12:27.940 I was.

01:12:28.940 Yeah.

01:12:29.940 It was great.

01:12:30.940 It was awesome.

01:12:31.940 Yeah.

01:12:32.940 He was intervening Donald Trump.

01:12:33.940 You know, just right there, close second, right behind him.

01:12:38.940 Yeah.

01:12:39.940 Right.

01:12:40.940 Right.

01:12:41.940 Right.

01:12:42.940 He did great.

01:12:43.940 Great.

01:12:44.940 He did a great job.

01:12:45.940 Who was behind who?

01:12:46.940 Was I right behind Donald Trump?

01:12:48.940 I think that's clear.

01:12:49.940 Glenn, we didn't need any clarification.

01:12:51.940 I love you, sweetheart.

01:12:52.940 I love you.

01:12:53.940 Thank you.

01:12:54.940 Love you, Sarah.

01:12:55.940 Love you back.

01:12:56.940 All right.

01:12:57.940 That's nice.

01:12:58.940 I mean, I didn't get any love, but whatever, you know.

01:13:00.940 That was good.

01:13:01.940 I mean, it's nice that you can get your wife on the phone now.

01:13:04.940 Thank you.

01:13:05.940 That's good.

01:13:06.940 Thank you.

01:13:07.940 So she's the one I can still kind of get on the phone.

01:13:09.940 Yeah.

01:13:10.940 From time to time.

01:13:11.940 From time to time.

01:13:12.940 It's a good booking by you.

01:13:13.940 Yeah.

01:13:14.940 Thank you.

01:13:15.940 Congratulations.

01:13:16.940 Thank you.

01:13:17.940 You know, somebody called up and said that they felt that I was nervous in the interview.

01:13:21.940 I wasn't nervous at all.

01:13:23.940 I thought there was a couple.

01:13:25.940 I had that feeling a couple of times.

01:13:27.940 That I was nervous?

01:13:29.940 Yeah.

01:13:30.940 Like, I don't know.

01:13:31.940 I had two different feelings, actually, about the tariffs, because you brought up the tariffs

01:13:35.940 and you said, look, I don't, you know, I don't like tariffs.

01:13:38.940 We've talked about that before.

01:13:40.940 And then you started going into any kind of like, he went, he started explaining why

01:13:45.940 he thought they were necessary.

01:13:47.940 And you kind of like just gave ground on it.

01:13:50.940 I didn't think you really pushed it.

01:13:51.940 I brought it up three times.

01:13:52.940 You did.

01:13:53.940 But sheepishly each time, I thought.

01:13:55.940 I thought it was sheepish.

01:13:56.940 He's the president of the United...

01:13:58.940 Well, I had a 30-minute conversation with him on tariffs where I pushed him to the wall.

01:14:03.940 I remember that.

01:14:04.940 He's not changing.

01:14:05.940 No, he's not.

01:14:06.940 And he's the president.

01:14:07.940 And he actually, towards the end, he said, you'll like him.

01:14:10.940 In a year, we'll have another interview and you'll tell me that you like him.

01:14:13.940 And I said, I've been wrong with you before and I hope to be wrong again.

01:14:16.940 You did.

01:14:17.940 Yeah.

01:14:18.940 It's funny because my initial reaction was you didn't, because you kind of got into this

01:14:21.940 setup of, you know, I don't really like tariffs, but I'm trying to give you the benefit

01:14:25.940 of the doubt.

01:14:26.940 Yeah.

01:14:27.940 Your concept of that.

01:14:28.940 And you got in the middle of it and he kind of interrupted you and went on to a point about

01:14:32.940 why he thought tariffs were important.

01:14:33.940 Yeah.

01:14:34.940 And you did bring it up a couple of times.

01:14:35.940 And my first inclination was like, you didn't really fight him on it.

01:14:38.940 And then my second instinct was, I will say, I mean, I've seen a lot of interviews, especially

01:14:44.940 with people on the right with Donald Trump about this topic.

01:14:49.940 That was more pushback than I've seen from anybody, really, to be honest with you, at

01:14:53.940 least mentioned that.

01:14:54.940 And I thought it must be difficult at the White House, in the Roosevelt Room, sitting

01:14:59.940 with the President of the United States to be like, you know, this particular policy is

01:15:03.940 not my favorite.

01:15:04.940 I mean, there must be, that must be, was there any level of-

01:15:07.940 Especially with Donald Trump.

01:15:08.940 I mean, Donald Trump, you know, he will go for people who don't like his policies and

01:15:16.940 he will push them to the wall and in a good spirited way and try to figure out why.

01:15:19.940 Yeah.

01:15:20.940 But like Zelensky, if you've had that conversation and it's already decided, you know, don't

01:15:28.940 keep fighting.

01:15:29.940 Don't keep fighting me on it.

01:15:30.940 Cause I, you're going to get the same answer over and over again.

01:15:32.940 And then you're going to become a pest.

01:15:33.940 And then it's like, what are you doing?

01:15:35.940 You know what I mean?

01:15:36.940 I mean, you weren't trying to have some big adversarial argument, but you did want

01:15:39.940 to do to get the context.

01:15:41.940 But I will tell you, this is one of the, and I haven't told him this yet.

01:15:45.940 I'm waiting for the right opportunity to tell them this.

01:15:47.940 Cause I think he'll really appreciate it, but I don't know how to tell this story.

01:15:51.940 We were in Mar-a-Lago.

01:15:53.940 Stop me.

01:15:54.940 If I've told this story before, we were in Mar-a-Lago and he invited, you know, I'm just

01:15:59.940 doing an interview and he's like, you having dinner tonight?

01:16:01.940 What are you doing for dinner?

01:16:02.940 I said, I think we're all going to McDonald's.

01:16:04.940 And he said, no, no, no.

01:16:06.940 Come on.

01:16:07.940 Have dinner with me in Mar-a-Lago.

01:16:08.940 Now Mar-a-Lago is a jacket.

01:16:09.940 I'm in a jacket, but everybody else in the crew is in like, you know, black pants and

01:16:14.940 a black t-shirt, you know, their crew.

01:16:16.940 And, uh, and I said, well, uh, Mar-a-Lago.

01:16:21.940 And he said, yeah.

01:16:22.940 And I said, I kind of pointed at everybody and he's like, no, everybody.

01:16:26.940 So invited everybody to have dinner on him at Mar-a-Lago.

01:16:28.940 So nice.

01:16:29.940 Yeah.

01:16:30.940 Really nice.

01:16:31.940 I'm sitting at this table.

01:16:32.940 And, um, he comes by and he says, we're looking at the menu.

01:16:37.940 And he says, Glenn, you gotta have the Salisbury steak.

01:16:40.940 Have I told you the story?

01:16:41.940 Gotta have the Salisbury steak.

01:16:43.940 And I said, uh, okay, now I don't really like Salisbury's.

01:16:47.940 I remember having Salisbury steak when it was like in the TV dinner kind of thing, you know?

01:16:52.940 And I was like, uh, okay.

01:16:54.940 And he's like, no, trust me.

01:16:55.940 You and me look at us.

01:16:57.940 We like the same kind of food.

01:16:59.940 And I was like, I think he just called me fat.

01:17:01.940 And, uh, he said, you'll love it.

01:17:03.940 You'll love it.

01:17:04.940 Everybody tells me the Salisbury steak best they've ever had.

01:17:06.940 I'm like, okay, well, I'm a Salisbury steak.

01:17:08.940 So I ordered the Salisbury steak and I eat it and everybody's waiting at the table.

01:17:12.940 They're like, well, well, how's the Salisbury steak?

01:17:14.940 And I went, meh.

01:17:16.940 And they're like, what?

01:17:17.940 And I said, yeah, I mean, it's not, it's not bad, but it's not, you know, the greatest Salisbury steak.

01:17:23.940 I don't know what is the greatest Salisbury steak in the world, but.

01:17:26.940 Not your favorite dish.

01:17:27.940 It was not bad, but it was meh.

01:17:29.940 Yeah.

01:17:30.940 And, uh, and who's talking about it?

01:17:32.940 And, and I said, you know what it is?

01:17:34.940 Cause he said, everybody tells me is the greatest Salisbury steak in the world.

01:17:38.940 I said, nobody is willing to tell him that it's meh.

01:17:42.940 You know what I mean?

01:17:43.940 He'll recommend it and then you'll order it.

01:17:45.940 And then he'll come back and say, what'd you think?

01:17:47.940 And they'll say it was great.

01:17:49.940 So nobody has the balls to tell him cause he's the president of the United States.

01:17:52.940 Right.

01:17:53.940 And he right then comes to the table.

01:17:55.940 What'd you think of the Salisbury steak?

01:17:58.940 Best I've ever had done.

01:17:59.940 I mean, that's really what I said.

01:18:02.940 And I was, as it was coming out of my mouth, I'm like, oh my God, I'm one of those people.

01:18:06.940 I can't tell him the truth about a stupid Salisbury steak.

01:18:11.940 So he still think if you're going to Mar-a-Lago, meh, meh, no matter what he says, meh.

01:18:16.940 But I guarantee you, if you order it and he asks you, you'll tell him it's the best you've ever had.

01:18:22.940 Guarantee.

01:18:23.940 So I thought I did pretty good.

01:18:25.940 No, you did.

01:18:26.940 I think you did.

01:18:27.940 It was a good interview.

01:18:28.940 It's not easy.

01:18:29.940 It was a good interview and it was enjoyable to watch.

01:18:31.940 I think, by the way, it's on YouTube tonight.

01:18:33.940 YouTube.com.

01:18:34.940 Is it Blaze TV or is it Glenn Beck?

01:18:36.940 Glenn Beck.

01:18:37.940 Okay.

01:18:38.940 So go there.

01:18:39.940 Go to one of those.

01:18:40.940 And you'll find the interview tonight.

01:18:41.940 Or you can go to Blaze TV.

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01:18:45.940 It was a good interview though.

01:18:46.940 You went through kind of every big topic and covered a lot of what they went through.

01:18:50.940 But you don't, it's hard with him, especially.

01:18:53.940 It was interesting because I feel like earlier interviews you've done with him, you would ask a question and he would kind of, I wouldn't say filibuster is the right term exactly.

01:19:01.940 It's just kind of who he is.

01:19:02.940 He goes on and he kind of goes to his, he was much more willing to.

01:19:07.940 Have a conversation.

01:19:08.940 Yeah.

01:19:09.940 Like he, he stopped a couple of times when I thought he was going to kind of go on a rant and let you follow up and, and, and everything.

01:19:14.940 And I think that led to, to getting to a good amount of stuff rather than, you know, two questions and the things over.

01:19:22.940 I thought it was good.

01:19:23.940 I mean, that must've been a cool experience.

01:19:25.940 I asked him after the cameras were off because I just, I've wanted to tell him this story because I didn't know if he remembered.

01:19:31.940 Uh, I mean, I knew he knew, but I didn't know if he connected.

01:19:35.940 I said, is there, is it ironic to you that when Nikolai Tesla died, your uncle, John G Trump, who was at MIT was asked by the government to come in and go through his papers to see which is good and which is dangerous.

01:19:54.940 It could be shipped back with him to his home for his museum and his library and which needed to stay classified.

01:20:01.940 And here you are now working with the new Tesla.

01:20:06.940 You're working with a guy who brought the name Tesla even back and he is our generation's Tesla.

01:20:13.940 And now you're working with him.

01:20:15.940 I said, have you ever seen the irony in that?

01:20:17.940 And he just lit up and said, like, you know, he likes it when people know stories that nobody knows, you know what I mean?

01:20:26.940 And he said, uh, yeah, let me tell you about my uncle.

01:20:30.940 And he just shot an extra, I don't know, five minutes.

01:20:33.940 They were yelling at him about the, you know, national security council is waiting.

01:20:36.940 I'm getting dirty looks for even asking it.

01:20:38.940 And he's, he's like, yeah, I want to tell you.

01:20:41.940 And his whole staff is like, oh God, I mean, there might be a war that breaks out.

01:20:47.940 Can you just let him go do his work, please?

01:20:50.940 Uh, and, uh, so we have that as an extra.

01:20:53.940 And then I also gave a tour of the Roosevelt room as we were setting up.

01:20:57.940 Uh, cause it's just, it's, it's the white house.

01:21:00.940 I wish people could really take tours of the white house.

01:21:04.940 You can't, I mean, you can take a tour of the white house, but I wish you could take the tour.

01:21:07.940 I took, uh, with him.

01:21:09.940 It, it, it's, it's a remarkable building.

01:21:14.940 And unlike the other places that are being treated like trash in Washington, D.C.

01:21:20.940 Now the national, this, I was in the Smithsonian, uh, in the, um, uh, portuary.

01:21:27.940 I think it's portuary.

01:21:29.940 Uh, I can't remember.

01:21:31.940 It's one of the museums, art museums.

01:21:32.940 And, uh, it was, I mean, it looked like it hasn't been cleaned since, you know, 1872.

01:21:41.940 It was just in horrible shape.

01:21:43.940 And it's just, it's disgusting the way it's all been taken care of.

01:21:47.940 And, and it's all woke now.

01:21:49.940 And I talked to the president off that we were talking about art.

01:21:52.940 And I said, the, the woke art.

01:21:54.940 He's like, right.

01:21:55.940 He's like, it's just garbage.

01:21:57.940 And I'm like, you know, maybe some people appreciate it, but I, I just, I can't take, I can't take it in your face as look how bad America has been.

01:22:06.940 Look how bad America is.

01:22:07.940 And he said, yeah, we're, we're changing all that.

01:22:09.940 It just takes time.

01:22:10.940 This takes time.

01:22:11.940 How many presidents have you interviewed now?

01:22:14.940 Reagan, GW, GHW, Trump.

01:22:20.940 So every Republican president since Reagan.

01:22:24.940 Yeah.

01:22:25.940 Hmm.

01:22:26.940 That's kind of cool.

01:22:27.940 Yeah, it is.

01:22:28.940 It is.

01:22:29.940 I mean, uh, you know, I, again, I wouldn't have put you in the radio hall of fame for it, but it's something.

01:22:32.940 Okay.

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01:23:56.940 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

01:24:17.940 Glad you're here.

01:24:18.940 Glenn, we had a comment come in from a listener.

01:24:21.940 There is no E or I at the end of Nikola in the name Nikola Tesla.

01:24:26.940 You keep calling him Nikolai or like Nikolai Chichescu, but that is not his name.

01:24:32.940 No, he, he.

01:24:33.940 Nikola.

01:24:34.940 No.

01:24:35.940 Nikola Tesla.

01:24:36.940 No, he's just Chichescu.

01:24:37.940 He is.

01:24:38.940 He killed a bunch of people in orphanages.

01:24:40.940 Really?

01:24:41.940 Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

01:24:42.940 I don't remember that detail.

01:24:43.940 Yeah.

01:24:44.940 Who expects me to get a name right on this program?

01:24:46.940 What are you new?

01:24:47.940 Is this your first day?

01:24:49.940 It's true.

01:24:50.940 You've never, I've never, it's never, that's not on my resume is one of my strengths.

01:24:54.940 Okay.

01:24:55.940 No, no.

01:24:56.940 In fact, even with people that you know, I mean, you know, how many times, how many times

01:25:01.940 has Jason Buttrill been on the program over the years?

01:25:04.940 I don't know who that is, but he, he, it's usually happens when Jason Buttrill is in

01:25:09.940 the room and, uh, you think you'd know his name.

01:25:12.940 You're really pissing me off right now.

01:25:14.940 You're just pissing me off.

01:25:15.940 I just want you to know.

01:25:17.940 Thanks.

01:25:18.940 And there you have it.

01:25:19.940 Another example of why Glenn Beck is in the radio hall of fame.

01:25:24.940 Exactly right.

01:25:25.940 And who isn't?

01:25:26.940 Stu.

01:25:27.940 That's true.

01:25:28.940 I've never interviewed zero presidents.

01:25:31.940 No, you were with me the first time, the first time we interviewed George H.W. Bush,

01:25:36.940 we were together and you were vomiting blood.

01:25:39.940 That one I was really vomiting blood on.

01:25:41.940 You know, since then you've done, uh, others.

01:25:45.940 Uh, yeah, you've, you've certainly Trump.

01:25:47.940 And like, you know, again, and Trump, I think has a different vibe to him.

01:25:50.940 It's much more, I think, welcoming.

01:25:52.940 I mean, we've talked to him obviously several times, but it's still your interview.

01:25:55.940 I, you know, I've never, and same thing with George H.W. Bush.

01:25:57.940 We went to his house in Kennebunkport to do an interview and I had to get all the technical

01:26:02.940 stuff, all equipment that was brand new out of the box we'd never used before.

01:26:06.940 And I spent all night getting it ready to record this interview.

01:26:09.940 And I had the regular and last minute we added a backup just in case.

01:26:13.940 And I had two, two ways of recording it.

01:26:15.940 Only the backup worked.

01:26:17.940 The other one didn't.

01:26:18.940 After, after all night testing it, I was terrified.

01:26:20.940 I didn't even tell you that we were having all these problems during the interview.

01:26:23.940 I was just like.

01:26:24.940 We got off the interview.

01:26:25.940 He's like, we got it.

01:26:26.940 And I'm like, of course we got it.

01:26:27.940 And he's like, no, you don't have any idea how close we are to not having a word of that

01:26:32.940 recorded.

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01:29:20.700 Well, I'm pleased to have a good friend in studio, Andrew Klavan.

01:29:27.300 He's the host of The Andrew Klavan Show, and he's the author of a book I'm too stupid to understand.

01:29:32.940 It's The Kingdom of Cain.

01:29:34.440 I can say that because he's a friend, and he'll talk down to me without any loss of friendship.

01:29:41.200 The Kingdom of Cain, which we are joined by Andrew Klavan here in just a second.

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01:31:08.240 Andrew Klavan, host of the Andrew Klavan program, the Andrew Klavan Show.

01:31:12.380 How are you, sir?

01:31:13.040 I'm good.

01:31:13.540 It's good to see you.

01:31:14.200 Good to see you.

01:31:14.820 I don't think I've seen you out of your element.

01:31:18.620 I don't think ever.

01:31:20.420 Yes.

01:31:20.880 I've been here many times to this.

01:31:22.860 Have you?

01:31:23.140 Yeah, sure.

01:31:23.700 Really?

01:31:24.120 Yeah.

01:31:24.740 Well, they're memorable.

01:31:27.800 I get this reaction a lot.

01:31:29.340 Who are you again?

01:31:30.540 No, I just love you.

01:31:31.620 I just love you.

01:31:32.200 And you, I got to tell you, the best compliment I can give you is your son is remarkable.

01:31:37.060 He's a remarkable guy.

01:31:37.640 And, you know, I hope someday somebody will say that about my children.

01:31:41.820 Klavan 2.0.

01:31:42.720 Yeah, really remarkable.

01:31:44.020 You and your wife are amazing parents.

01:31:46.460 Oh, well, thank you.

01:31:47.260 So tell me about The Kingdom of Cain and talk down to me.

01:31:51.660 It's a really simple book and very entertaining because it's about the movies that we all love.

01:31:56.100 Like the silence of the land.

01:31:56.540 Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:31:57.400 He says this.

01:31:58.080 Let me read this to you, Stuart, and see if you understand what this is.

01:32:01.760 Sure.

01:32:01.940 The Kingdom of Cain looks at three murders in history, including the first murder, Cain's killing of his brother, Abel,

01:32:06.960 and at the art created from imaginative engagement from those horrific events by artists ranging from Dosyevsky to Hitchcock to make beauty out of the world as it is shot through with evil and injustice and suffering.

01:32:19.840 It is the task not just of the artist, but Klavan argues of every life rightly lived.

01:32:27.180 Examining how the transformation occurs in art grants us a vision on how it can happen in our lives.

01:32:31.760 What's this book about?

01:32:32.460 I don't know what you're missing, but that was perfect.

01:32:36.720 I'll tell you, I'm a crime writer, right?

01:32:38.500 I write mystery and suspense.

01:32:39.760 I get this letter all the time, constantly.

01:32:42.080 It says you call yourself a Christian.

01:32:44.100 That part is true.

01:32:45.200 And yet you write about horrific things.

01:32:47.020 You write about murder.

01:32:47.860 You write about prostitutes and gangsters and all this stuff.

01:32:50.760 Why do you do that?

01:32:51.840 And the reason is very simple.

01:32:53.320 I believe that God is a central fact of reality.

01:32:55.800 And I believe that any artist who speaks truthfully about reality will speak about God.

01:33:01.220 And so what I did was I took three murders, three very famous murders, and I showed how they inspired works of art over and over and over again.

01:33:10.960 They were, you know, not just one work of art, but they kept coming back and those works of art inspired other works of art.

01:33:16.300 And how those works of art actually speak about something that happens to a society when it begins to lose its faith, as our society has certainly done, you know.

01:33:26.600 And they chart those works of art.

01:33:29.520 And some of them are just – some of them are like the stupidest little horror movie.

01:33:32.900 And yet the guy who was making that horror movie understood what he was talking about and can show you – if you go back, for instance, and watch a slasher movie like Halloween, which is actually quite a good little scary movie, it actually is about the fall of the end of faith and how that destroys sexual responsibilities.

01:33:49.940 So that it takes place in a suburb.

01:33:52.220 Wait, wait, wait.

01:33:53.200 Have you seen it?

01:33:54.880 Yeah, I've seen it.

01:33:55.780 It takes place in a suburb where there are no moms and the dads are very weak.

01:33:59.260 And this knife-wielding crazy man comes back and basically prays on kids having sex while nobody's watching them.

01:34:06.460 And it's a very, very stark picture.

01:34:09.280 I'll bet if you asked the director what he was doing, he would tell you that because it's right in the movie when you notice it.

01:34:15.080 But you have to be watching for it.

01:34:16.640 And the thing is, these movies are – not just movies, but novels, the arts really reveal the conscience of a culture.

01:34:27.080 And so taking the way that they look at murder tells us things that are bad about our culture.

01:34:32.920 But it also tells us about ways that we want to go in the future.

01:34:36.640 The role, for instance, of psychiatrists in these films.

01:34:40.800 Most of these films are based on murder committed by Ed Gein in the 1950s.

01:34:44.740 There's a guy in Wisconsin who used to kill women, right, and then dress up in their bodies just like in Silence of the Lambs.

01:34:51.920 That inspired Psycho.

01:34:53.180 It inspired a really good horror movie called The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

01:34:57.740 Even though it's a crazy title, it's actually a good movie.

01:35:00.980 The Silence of the Lambs.

01:35:02.580 All of these movies grow out of that one murder.

01:35:05.200 And what's it about?

01:35:05.900 It's about confusion, about sexual – about gender, you know?

01:35:08.680 We don't see a lot of that going around nowadays.

01:35:10.200 No, not at all.

01:35:10.740 But in fact, it's everywhere.

01:35:12.300 And these things were happening.

01:35:13.540 These movies were being made in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and 80s and on.

01:35:18.960 And so they were predicting, as art often does, what was going to happen and explaining why.

01:35:23.700 So do you think these – do you think Alfred Hitchcock knew that this was coming or was he just making a good – he was a good storyteller?

01:35:30.100 If you are a good storyteller – who was it?

01:35:32.720 T.S. Eliot said a great poet writes himself, and in writing himself, he writes his time.

01:35:37.700 And I think that that's what happens.

01:35:39.240 These artists basically bring something out of themselves, but it reveals where we all are, and that reveals where we're going, right?

01:35:45.440 If you see where we are, you can tell where we're going.

01:35:48.380 And that's why the book does not just concentrate on the darkness.

01:35:52.300 It actually says, well, what do you do?

01:35:54.260 How do you react?

01:35:55.040 Now that we know what's happening, how do you react to those things in a creative, joyful way?

01:36:01.440 Because this is what – look, the Bible doesn't say things are going to be great, right?

01:36:04.580 The Bible says, yeah, if God comes, we crucify.

01:36:09.320 And yet at the same time, it says rejoice evermore.

01:36:11.620 And so one of the things that really bothers me about Christian movies is they don't really represent life.

01:36:18.620 They're all – if you do a Christian movie that has real things in it, you get slammed.

01:36:23.400 Why would you put that in?

01:36:24.460 Why was there sex?

01:36:25.660 Why was there violence?

01:36:26.540 Why was there murder?

01:36:27.840 One of the major influences that turned me to Christ when I was 19 years old, it took three decades to kick in,

01:36:34.260 but it was reading Crime and Punishment, the great novel by Dostoevsky about an axe murder

01:36:39.360 and about a prostitute who basically turns this axe murderer's life around.

01:36:44.320 If you walked into a Christian bookstore today and said,

01:36:47.220 can I have that book about the axe murderer and the hooker?

01:36:49.900 You know, they'd look at –

01:36:50.380 You wouldn't be there.

01:36:51.020 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:51.680 They would look at you like you were nuts.

01:36:52.920 But because Dostoevsky was a great artist and a great Christian,

01:36:56.540 one of the truly deep and interesting Christians in history,

01:37:00.260 he revealed something about the philosophies that were rising up at that time

01:37:04.980 and that are still with us today, the philosophies that later became spoken out by Nietzsche,

01:37:11.240 and Nietzsche affected all of the leftist philosophers that you and I love so much

01:37:15.360 and have done so many good things through our society.

01:37:18.400 So let's pretend somebody didn't read that by Dostoevsky or whatever his name is

01:37:24.680 and tell us the story and exactly what he was teaching.

01:37:34.480 Well, the idea was that God is dead, God is gone,

01:37:37.900 and therefore instead of having this horrible Christian philosophy

01:37:42.280 that is nice to the poor and the weak and has charity and compassion,

01:37:46.520 we need strong special men like Napoleon, for instance,

01:37:50.340 who are going to make their own law.

01:37:51.720 And this man in the story, Crime and Punishment, says,

01:37:54.860 well, if I can make my own law, I can murder somebody and it won't be a sin,

01:38:02.260 it won't be wrong.

01:38:03.000 And then he actually accomplishes this murder and finds,

01:38:06.900 oh, wait, oh, wait, I have actually shattered the moral order

01:38:10.020 and now my life is spiraling out of control.

01:38:12.640 Now, Nietzsche wrote his philosophy, which was the exact philosophy in this book,

01:38:17.660 after Dostoevsky wrote the novel.

01:38:19.440 And then his philosophy inspired two murderers in America named Leopold and Loeb.

01:38:24.880 This was called the Crime of the Century, the Crime of the 20th Century.

01:38:28.220 I don't remember that.

01:38:28.820 I know, nobody remembers it now, but it was one of the biggest crimes of the century.

01:38:33.480 It inspired countless movies and television shows.

01:38:37.320 It was two kids.

01:38:39.180 They were rich, gay, Jewish kids in the suburbs.

01:38:42.720 What year?

01:38:43.320 This is 19, I want to say 30, 30 or 40.

01:38:49.420 Okay.

01:38:49.780 Yeah.

01:38:51.460 And yeah, it was the 30s.

01:38:52.900 I'm sorry.

01:38:53.740 And they decided, well, we're supermen like Nietzsche.

01:38:58.100 They read Nietzsche and they thought, yes, this is what we want to be, one of them.

01:39:01.380 And we're going to commit the perfect murder just to show that we can do it.

01:39:04.200 And so they just picked a kid at random who they knew and took him out and killed him.

01:39:07.880 This is Rope.

01:39:09.380 Exactly.

01:39:10.220 Exactly.

01:39:11.100 And Rope became the Hitchcock film and also inspired Compulsion is another movie, is almost

01:39:16.780 a true movie about it.

01:39:18.620 And it just pops up again and again, two people who say, we're going to commit the perfect

01:39:21.940 murder because we're superior.

01:39:23.560 If you look for it, you'll find it in one story after another.

01:39:27.160 And it's based on the idea that there's no God and therefore anything is permissible

01:39:30.740 and strong men have to make the rules.

01:39:32.420 That's one of the best movies of Hitchcock and nobody even knows it.

01:39:36.820 Great movie from Hitchcock.

01:39:38.160 And great movie with Jimmy Stewart.

01:39:40.400 Yep.

01:39:40.680 I mean, just really.

01:39:41.620 And disturbing.

01:39:42.760 And written, the original play was written by the guy who also wrote a play called Gaslight,

01:39:47.280 which is where we get the word gaslighting.

01:39:48.700 Yeah.

01:39:49.020 And so I talk all about these works of art and these works of movies.

01:39:53.960 And listen, I think it's an entertaining book, Glenn.

01:39:57.340 So I will read it.

01:39:58.520 I love your work.

01:39:59.520 I love your work.

01:40:00.180 I mean, you know, most people, if you don't know who Andrew Klavan is, you've written movies.

01:40:04.620 I mean, you've written some just thrilling novels and novels that have been made into movies.

01:40:11.340 And I'm a huge, huge fan.

01:40:13.020 But I mean, you know, you are talking to mice here.

01:40:17.100 Well, I try to just make it about things that people like and enjoy.

01:40:22.660 So what is the lesson that we learn from all of this?

01:40:29.260 Well, I think the most important lesson, if I can call it that in the book, is that beauty

01:40:35.940 has something to do with the answer to evil.

01:40:39.340 You know, one of the things that keeps people from believing in God, they say there's so

01:40:43.040 much evil in the world.

01:40:43.940 How can a good God allow this evil to exist?

01:40:48.660 And at the end of the book, the last third of the book, which is a very personal statement

01:40:52.700 about what I do to basically live joyfully in a world that I can see as evil, it ends

01:40:57.780 with looking at the Pieta, the statue by Michelangelo, that is one of the most beautiful works of

01:41:03.500 sculpture on Earth.

01:41:04.420 It's beautiful.

01:41:05.000 But think about what it's about, Glenn.

01:41:06.520 It's about a mother with her dead son.

01:41:09.500 It is about a world with a dead God.

01:41:11.680 It is the worst moment in human history.

01:41:14.400 And yet, Michelangelo, a man, made it beautiful.

01:41:17.640 And my question at the end of the book is, if a man can take that misery, that suffering,

01:41:23.040 that evil, and turn it into beauty, what can God do with the world that we're living in

01:41:27.760 now when he works in the marble of eternity?

01:41:30.960 And so I work my way to that point by going through the movies that we watch and the stories

01:41:36.760 that we read and why we're so fascinated with murder.

01:41:39.780 You know, think about true crime.

01:41:41.060 This is what this is about.

01:41:41.900 It's about true crime.

01:41:42.380 Why are we?

01:41:42.980 Because it is the borderline where you cannot say there's something right about this.

01:41:48.580 It's the place where we suddenly realize that the moral order has its gray points, but it

01:41:53.900 also has a very stark black line.

01:41:56.400 So explain to me, explain to me why shows like, let's say, Yellowstone are so satisfying because

01:42:07.460 you're kind of like, I kind of like seeing that guy take into the train station.

01:42:12.980 You know what I mean?

01:42:13.680 Yep.

01:42:14.000 You know that it's wrong, but you're kind of in there.

01:42:17.220 You know what I mean?

01:42:17.660 You're kind of like, you know, and you feel, at least I do.

01:42:21.820 I mean, I'm sure a lot of people watching, they're like, ah, that's fine.

01:42:24.820 I watch it.

01:42:25.460 I'm like, I don't like the fact that I kind of, I'm rooting for them.

01:42:28.480 That's, I think the best art does that to you.

01:42:30.480 It makes you think like, yeah, I'm really enjoying this, but that actually tells me something

01:42:33.700 about myself that now I have to go and think about.

01:42:35.540 And that's what art, see, you see, a lot of people think that art is like a sugar pill that

01:42:39.240 they use to give you a little lesson in life, a little parable sort of.

01:42:43.020 But I don't think that's what it is at all.

01:42:44.660 I think it's an experience that you really can't have in your life that broadens the way

01:42:50.340 you look at life, broadens your view of humanity.

01:42:52.540 And so when you get Christian stories like, God is not dead, I don't want to pick on anybody,

01:42:56.860 but still, you get these guys.

01:42:57.540 I thought you were going to pick on them.

01:42:58.340 I'll pick on them.

01:42:59.080 The guy is hit by a car and everybody says, well, at least he was saved.

01:43:03.560 And I think really, we can't just say, you can't call his wife first and say this is

01:43:07.160 a sad moment, you know, that we grieve when people die.

01:43:12.320 We can't say we're horrified by death and afraid, you know.

01:43:15.920 So I want Christian art that deals with life in a real way that shows people are afraid

01:43:21.540 and people have evil thoughts and people want to justify murder.

01:43:25.060 And there are moments when we all sort of think, look, if you go off into a room by yourself

01:43:30.580 and ask, how can I make the perfect world?

01:43:32.980 Within two minutes, so help me, you will be committing mass murder in your mind.

01:43:36.920 And we say, well, first I got rid of these people because these people can't be reformed.

01:43:40.680 You will wipe them out, right?

01:43:41.920 And so that's who we all are.

01:43:43.880 And when we start to see that, I believe that that's actually a layer on top of who we

01:43:50.340 really are.

01:43:50.900 I believe who we really are is who Christ wants us to be, this loving person.

01:43:55.060 And so that's the question.

01:43:56.580 How do you get through that layer?

01:43:58.060 And so that's what artists do for us.

01:43:59.960 They show us our true selves and they lead our conscience to the place that it's supposed

01:44:05.240 to go.

01:44:06.160 Our natural soul is who Christ wants us to be.

01:44:11.340 Right.

01:44:11.840 And then we're encapsulated in this flesh and the natural man is an enemy to that.

01:44:17.060 That's right.

01:44:17.400 And it's the battle back and forth.

01:44:19.600 And that's what art is, right?

01:44:22.000 That battle.

01:44:22.940 That's where drama comes from.

01:44:24.460 That's where tragedy comes from.

01:44:25.980 You know, one of the stories I mentioned in the Kingdom of Cain is Macbeth because it's

01:44:31.620 such a great story about murder.

01:44:33.800 And it ends with the most beautiful speech about nihilism, about things, nothing makes

01:44:38.340 sense, nothing is worth anything, right?

01:44:39.860 Life is a tale told by an idiot.

01:44:41.700 But because you're watching the play, you understand that Shakespeare's not saying that.

01:44:44.880 A guy who has detached himself from the moral order is saying that he's lost the meaning

01:44:48.800 of life because he's detached himself from the meaning of life.

01:44:51.900 And so studying murder and writing art about murder takes you to the most serious questions

01:44:57.460 about who we are and who we really are and what we really want and how we, you know,

01:45:01.980 that inner battle that goes on, which is, to me, the source of drama.

01:45:05.480 So I'm going to come back and take a one-minute break.

01:45:08.800 And then I want you to take us to what is society saying to us now?

01:45:12.460 Who are we?

01:45:13.880 Because we're having that.

01:45:15.280 We're in the midst of that right now.

01:45:16.600 What direction are we headed?

01:45:18.280 Back in just a second with Andrew Klavan.

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01:46:39.160 So doing this kind of research on history, art, murder, societal mischief, you have to have seen the patterns that keep repeating.

01:46:59.720 Where are we in this cycle?

01:47:02.860 I think we're at a hinge point.

01:47:04.580 I think this is the most important moment in the culture in either of our lifetimes.

01:47:09.260 I agree with that.

01:47:09.880 Yeah, I think that a very natural – you know, people have to follow – people in general, if you take them as the big picture, they have to follow an idea to its furthest extent.

01:47:20.960 And basically when Newton said, you know, things don't actually work by magic.

01:47:24.800 Things bump into each other and move around.

01:47:27.160 It was very natural to extrapolate from that, to move on from that and say, well, we don't really need a God.

01:47:32.300 We've got this clockwork.

01:47:33.320 It just kind of moves itself.

01:47:34.640 And then you had Darwin saying, you don't even need, you know, God to create people.

01:47:38.640 They just kind of grow up out of this accidental process that goes on.

01:47:42.840 Now, that idea doesn't really make sense, and Newton didn't believe it, certainly.

01:47:46.480 But it had to work itself out, and it took centuries.

01:47:49.080 And over those centuries, our faith has vanished.

01:47:51.880 It has disappeared.

01:47:52.800 Even the people who believe don't really believe in the way people believed when they believed.

01:47:57.820 Right.

01:47:58.240 You know, they don't actually see God everywhere, which is my big argument about – if there's a God, you can see him.

01:48:03.160 I mean, this is – everything is the expression of his nature.

01:48:05.180 Everything is a breadcrumb, leads to him.

01:48:07.240 Right.

01:48:07.600 But the thing is, the science is now about 100 years behind, because the science has changed.

01:48:12.180 And one of the things that even the greatest theoretical physicists have said is there is a spirit behind matter.

01:48:20.300 There must be – our minds create part of reality.

01:48:24.160 Correct.

01:48:24.340 So there must have been a mind to create reality.

01:48:26.680 We begin to find that actually the world looks a lot like the Bible said it does.

01:48:31.840 You know, it's a big surprise.

01:48:33.880 And so a lot of those people who were saying, you know, I think the Bible has more truth in it than people say it does, were absolutely right.

01:48:40.640 Now, because we lost that, we lost even a sense that our bodies meant something.

01:48:45.760 So you say, like, oh, here's a little girl.

01:48:47.340 If I cut her up and make her into a make-believe man, she'll be a man.

01:48:50.480 If I, you know, castrate this child, you know, I can make him into a little girl.

01:48:54.880 You know, that's an insane thing to say.

01:48:57.060 I mean, that's not even a, you know, rational thing to say.

01:49:00.080 But it actually makes sense if there's no God.

01:49:02.620 If there's no God and we are just bodies, just pieces of flesh, then why not turn a male body into a female body and call it a girl?

01:49:09.700 The answer to my friend Matt Walsh's question, what is a woman, is actually a spiritual answer.

01:49:13.920 It's not a physical answer.

01:49:14.940 A woman is something – what a soul becomes when she has a woman – when she's born with a woman's body.

01:49:20.640 You know, that is something real.

01:49:22.100 And so if we don't start talking about spirit again, I mean, I think all of us, everybody uses terms like it's an adrenaline rush or it's, you know, as if the chemical were causing our experience.

01:49:34.920 But the chemical is just a messenger bringing the experience to the body.

01:49:38.820 If we can start to learn that actually our faith was real and see the world that way again, this will be one of the great turning points in the right direction.

01:49:48.480 And, in fact, we will make America great again.

01:49:51.200 More with Andrew Klavan in a minute.

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01:51:17.980 We're with Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.

01:51:37.060 You can hear it on The Daily Wire.

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01:51:40.100 He's also the author of a book called The Kingdom of Cain, how we can find God through life's darkest moments.

01:51:46.600 I think that's the only way you can find God.

01:51:48.940 Exactly.

01:51:49.200 Yeah, exactly.

01:51:50.000 I mean, I went through some of the darkest things.

01:51:52.280 I mean, I would not wish my life on anybody, you know, the bad parts of my life on anybody.

01:51:57.980 But it is because of that I am who I am today.

01:52:00.840 It's because of that my relationship with God is much different and much deeper.

01:52:05.240 See, this is why I think good Christian art is so important because I had a character in one novel, True Crime, who said you have to believe in a God of the sad world.

01:52:15.800 And this was before I became a Christian because if you don't believe in a God of the sad world, the sadness is going to kill you.

01:52:22.840 When the sadness is going to – if you think, you know, those guys who preach prosperity, that everything's going to go great if you just believe, then when you hit that wall, that wall of suffering that Christ knew about and talks about and tells you it's coming, then suddenly you lose your faith.

01:52:37.300 You think I got shortchanged.

01:52:39.380 And so I really want art – I want art that's just honest, that just shows you life as it is because I think God will speak through that.

01:52:47.000 I don't think you even – I think even artists who don't believe create holy art if they are truthful.

01:52:52.460 You know, a lot of them aren't, but when they are, you will find God in art.

01:52:56.680 And I think the arts – in some ways, the arts have taught me almost as much about God as theology has because we live in an authored world.

01:53:05.760 You know, we live in a world that is a work of art in a sense.

01:53:08.340 It is a creation.

01:53:09.540 I was in one of the art – the Smithsonian Art Museum, American Art and Portraiture.

01:53:15.100 And, oh, I'm so sick of the woke stuff.

01:53:20.480 I am so sick of the woke stuff.

01:53:22.100 Well, this is one of the things I really like about Trump is that he's the first president to notice it and to sort of say, we've got to get a new guy in the Smithsonian.

01:53:29.100 We've got to get a new guy at the National Gallery, which I'm in all the time.

01:53:33.600 You know, I'm in that museum constantly.

01:53:36.020 And, you know, all of our president's homes have been taken over by these people.

01:53:40.600 You know, I'm interested in how the slaves lived at Mount Vernon, but I'm not at Mount Vernon because George Washington lived there.

01:53:49.040 And that's the main thing you want to hear about.

01:53:51.100 I mean, these are great men who lived in their times.

01:53:53.640 And like all of us, they partook of the violence and evil of their times, as we all do.

01:53:58.160 I mean, I can't believe the same people who say slavery is, you know, so bad and I would have stood up against it.

01:54:03.300 Really?

01:54:03.660 Show me your iPhone.

01:54:05.020 They got your iPhone, will you?

01:54:06.680 Because that's the same damn thing.

01:54:08.340 And where do you stand on abortion?

01:54:09.980 That's the other thing, too.

01:54:11.200 I mean, don't lecture me about people 200 years ago when you're doing the same thing.

01:54:15.880 If you say you would have stood up against slavery then, why aren't you standing up against it now just by saying, I will not buy any products from China?

01:54:24.860 This is the introduction to the kingdom of Cain.

01:54:27.000 So help me.

01:54:27.740 This is exactly, yes, what it says is, look, this is what we, you know that movie, The Zone of Interests, where the guy, it's about a guy who's running a death camp, based on a true story,

01:54:36.100 about a guy running a death camp, and he lives in a little, beautiful little house right off the death camp with his wife and his kid.

01:54:42.180 Oh, yeah.

01:54:42.280 We talked about it.

01:54:42.860 We talked about it.

01:54:43.340 It's an amazingly haunting story.

01:54:45.920 And I say at the beginning of The Kingdom of Cain, I say we all live in The Zone of Interests.

01:54:49.360 We're all living in a nice little house knowing we're surrounded by evil and not really, we're not really doing anything about it.

01:54:55.320 You know, people like you and I, we speak up about it.

01:54:57.460 We have conscience and all this stuff.

01:54:58.860 But we know this stuff.

01:54:59.880 I have an iPhone.

01:55:00.700 I mean, you know, I know where it's coming from.

01:55:02.160 I know.

01:55:02.360 Yeah.

01:55:02.740 I beat myself up about this all the time, Andrew.

01:55:05.800 It's like, you know, you think you do so much, and then you really haven't.

01:55:10.840 You really haven't.

01:55:11.880 I mean, you're letting.

01:55:12.540 Because this is the nature of the world.

01:55:14.200 That's why when they say rejoice over more, you think like, wait, now?

01:55:18.040 Like, now am I supposed to?

01:55:19.300 Yes, now.

01:55:20.360 And that's why, for instance, when people get up and say, oh, we're standing on land owned by the Indians, I think, well, if you're not giving it back, you don't have to bring it up.

01:55:29.100 You're right.

01:55:30.000 Exactly right.

01:55:31.380 Exactly right.

01:55:32.000 It's not doing anybody any good.

01:55:32.860 And you know what?

01:55:33.340 I'd just like to point out, they stole it from somebody else.

01:55:35.960 I mean, it's the way.

01:55:37.120 Exactly.

01:55:37.660 This is the way it keeps happening.

01:55:39.180 This is the nature of the world.

01:55:40.060 Yeah.

01:55:40.100 Yeah.

01:55:41.000 Tell me where we are as a society.

01:55:43.740 Where are we?

01:55:44.940 Well, I always laugh about you and me because you're like the mask of tragedy.

01:55:48.560 I'm like the mask of comedy.

01:55:49.720 I'm always hopeful.

01:55:51.040 And this is a hopeful moment.

01:55:53.460 I'm kind of appalled at the way, not the way the left.

01:55:57.980 We know how the left is going to cover Trump.

01:55:59.700 He's Hitler.

01:56:00.140 He's the worst thing ever.

01:56:01.280 But I'm a little bit appalled about the way the right is covering Trump as if everything he does has to work today.

01:56:06.980 Because China is a slave state, Xi can sit around and say, the president of China can sit around and say, I've got a 20-year plan we're going to institute to take over the world.

01:56:16.620 And everybody goes, yes, sir.

01:56:17.400 That's what we'll do.

01:56:18.480 Like with Trump, it's supposed to work by the end of business day today.

01:56:21.800 And if your stock is worth a little bit less.

01:56:25.600 And they even bring up things like, oh, retirees.

01:56:28.800 Yeah, because retirees are on a clock.

01:56:30.720 But if you are doing what Trump is trying to do, which is rejigger our economy so that we can stand up to China in the years to come, that's a big thing to do.

01:56:39.660 You know, to pluck out this cancer of bureaucracy that has basically overridden the Constitution is not easy.

01:56:46.020 And I hear people saying, oh, these people are being fired and it's sad.

01:56:49.820 And, yeah, it is.

01:56:50.760 I call this teardrop news.

01:56:52.380 You know, there's always somebody who's being hurt.

01:56:54.060 But that bureaucracy is the worst thing in this country.

01:56:57.580 You know, it is just a terrible – it has glued the gears of democracy together.

01:57:03.960 And I think that, you know, it's not that the bureaucrats themselves are all bad.

01:57:08.180 That's ridiculous.

01:57:08.900 Some of them are lovely people doing as good a job as they can.

01:57:11.780 But the structure where the Senate and the House do nothing and just say, yeah, that agency is going to take care of it, that's a recipe for slavery.

01:57:20.280 And he's trying to get rid of it.

01:57:21.420 And so Elon Musk is now a supervillain, you know, instead of one of the most creative people around him.

01:57:25.300 Do we make it?

01:57:25.840 I mean, because it's – I don't know how you get to a place from here where, you know, we all know and even the president knows.

01:57:35.520 I don't have this moving in the right direction.

01:57:38.180 In the next 18 months, we're done.

01:57:41.160 Right.

01:57:41.780 So I think – like I remember Reagan came in and when you try to get rid of the kind of inflation, stagflation we had, you have to increase unemployment.

01:57:50.740 And so Reagan was not that popular in the first year.

01:57:53.260 But by – and I think he lost in the midterms.

01:57:56.460 He lost in the midterms.

01:57:58.280 He did.

01:57:58.680 But by the time his first term was over, he won like every – there was like three guys who didn't vote for him.

01:58:03.020 I mean, he really was a landslide.

01:58:04.860 And so I'm kind of hoping that's going to happen this time.

01:58:07.060 And I actually have a small bet, and I've been right a lot about Trump after I kind of caught on to who he was.

01:58:13.860 I have a small bet he's going to win the midterms.

01:58:15.520 And I think that that is going to be a really interesting turn of events.

01:58:20.160 So –

01:58:20.280 If he wins the midterms, look out.

01:58:24.140 Yeah.

01:58:24.580 I think it'll be really exciting.

01:58:26.680 Why do you say that?

01:58:27.440 Because I think the things that he's doing are right, but I don't think they're instantaneous.

01:58:33.000 I think that he is actually on the right track.

01:58:35.160 We should be – you know, people say, oh, he's got tariffs.

01:58:38.160 Tariffs are bad.

01:58:39.060 And you think, well, if tariffs are bad, why are they on us, you know?

01:58:42.620 Right.

01:58:42.960 If it's such a great thing to have a trade deficit, how come no one else has one except us?

01:58:48.080 How come they're not fighting for a trade deficit as well?

01:58:50.360 So I think what he's trying to say is that World War II is a long time ago.

01:58:56.180 You know, after World War II, not only were our enemies in ruins, but our competitors were in ruins.

01:59:02.060 So it was – you know, it was great.

01:59:03.560 It was easy pickings.

01:59:04.900 And even a little bit – we got a little bit of that hit after the Soviet Union came down.

01:59:09.380 But those days are done.

01:59:10.800 We have to compete in the market of nations.

01:59:14.720 And that doesn't work if Europe is sitting around going, oh, we have health care.

01:59:18.340 We don't have to protect ourselves from China and Russia.

01:59:21.640 America will do that for us.

01:59:23.520 Those savages don't have health care so they can afford to take care of us.

01:59:26.920 Well, no, that's not the way it's going to work anymore.

01:59:29.040 We can't be in a situation where China – we can fight China as long as China will sell us the bullets, basically.

01:59:36.360 Right.

01:59:36.760 You know, you think like –

01:59:38.080 Are Americans adult enough to –

01:59:42.520 Well, after a generation of watching superhero movies, I do not know.

01:59:45.780 You know, that is something that really bothers me.

01:59:47.940 Somebody once asked me, why do you hate superhero movies?

01:59:50.240 And I say, because there's no sex and death in them.

01:59:52.420 And that's kind of what life is about, you know.

01:59:56.000 And I don't know.

01:59:58.020 You know, this is a time – I'm going to say this.

02:00:01.060 I'll probably be hit by some bolt of lightning.

02:00:02.960 This is a time for men.

02:00:04.020 This is a time when men have to stand up and say, yes, it is sad that people are being fired.

02:00:08.600 But this is what has to be done.

02:00:10.300 Yes, it's sad that the stock market is dropping for a little while.

02:00:13.200 But this is what has to happen.

02:00:14.780 This is the kind of thing that men say to women, basically, to calm them down and we go forward.

02:00:20.300 And when I say women, I mean journalists.

02:00:22.360 I think that this is a time for that kind of cool, calm, collected idea that certain steps have to be taken.

02:00:31.060 That's what the president said to me yesterday.

02:00:32.620 Is it really?

02:00:33.340 Well, there you go.

02:00:34.120 He said it has to be done.

02:00:38.620 And he said, if I don't do it, I don't see anybody on the horizon that will.

02:00:42.700 He said, I'm willing to do it.

02:00:45.040 This is why Trump is Trump.

02:00:47.520 Yeah, it has to be done.

02:00:49.020 And he's right.

02:00:49.640 And, you know, I had somebody who is, you know, in the vicinity of, you know, our economy.

02:01:01.520 And I don't want to out them for saying anything, but they were in the vicinity of our economy and would know.

02:01:08.720 And I talked to them before the Trump interview.

02:01:11.840 And I said, you know, I have a feeling that people don't really understand how much trouble we're really in, you know, because no president has told you the truth.

02:01:20.800 Nobody's told you the truth.

02:01:21.920 All it was like, oh, no, we can just keep living this way.

02:01:24.520 No, we can't.

02:01:25.240 We can't.

02:01:25.940 And I said, I think we're at the end of this.

02:01:28.340 And Trump knows it.

02:01:29.520 And he's trying to change everything.

02:01:31.380 And I said, and I feel if he fails, we're out.

02:01:35.080 And the individual reached out and put their hand on my shoulder.

02:01:38.260 Now, this is somebody who is, you know, right in the mix.

02:01:41.960 Put their hand on my shoulder and looked me in the eye and said, no, Glenn, we're done.

02:01:47.040 Like I, when I said we're done, wasn't deep enough of the understanding.

02:01:51.780 No, no, Glenn, we are done if this doesn't work.

02:01:56.320 And I don't think people have that understanding yet.

02:01:59.580 We're playing for very high stakes.

02:02:03.200 And there is no way to pull away from the table.

02:02:05.640 Our chair has been pushed in by us for too long.

02:02:09.940 We have not been willing to put our chips down on the table and let the game just keep going and us not really playing for it.

02:02:16.340 Now it's now we have a serious player down at the table saying, you know, we're going to lose everything unless I play.

02:02:22.360 And you trust me as a card player right now to read the room right and take our money back off the table.

02:02:31.560 Otherwise, we're we're folding and we're out.

02:02:33.460 Yeah, because I mean, this is the this was the revelation of COVID, right?

02:02:36.220 The revelation of COVID was our elites don't know what they're doing and they don't and they don't care about the things they said they care about.

02:02:42.640 Yes.

02:02:42.880 And they lie to us and they want us to be quiet.

02:02:45.660 And basically, that's the end of the country.

02:02:48.460 That's the end of what America is.

02:02:50.260 And in order to get that country back, part of it is economic.

02:02:53.620 I mean, you know, nobody talks about well, that's not true.

02:02:56.280 People are talking about it now.

02:02:58.300 Women aren't having babies.

02:03:00.020 And people are killing themselves from despair so much that for a while until until a few months ago, it was bringing down life expectancy because people were taking drugs and drinking themselves to death.

02:03:11.960 And so that's not a good society, right?

02:03:15.140 That's that's not the 1950s anymore.

02:03:17.160 This is not that time.

02:03:18.600 My wife and I were walking down the street of Washington, D.C. yesterday or two days ago.

02:03:23.340 And this guy comes up on a bike, black man on a bike, probably 30 years old, looks normal enough.

02:03:30.540 And he's just he rides.

02:03:32.620 And then he starts circling us on one of these big sidewalks and he starts shouting at us.

02:03:37.980 I'm going to kill me a white man today.

02:03:40.020 I'm going to kill me a white man today.

02:03:41.920 I promised myself today was the day I was going to kill me a white man.

02:03:45.400 And he keeps circling and looks at me.

02:03:47.880 And what he doesn't realize, I have two other people that are just behind us with guns.

02:03:51.500 And that's not going to happen today, Jack.

02:03:53.480 But he was just I don't know what he was doing.

02:03:55.600 Was he was he psychotic?

02:03:57.480 Was he pushed by society?

02:03:59.560 I don't know what that was.

02:04:01.080 I don't know what that was.

02:04:02.220 But that's happening everywhere.

02:04:03.960 Well, when you see all the homelessness, they they make believe it's because they don't have enough houses.

02:04:08.960 But that's not true.

02:04:09.820 That's all almost all mental illness and drug use.

02:04:12.600 I mean, I think we're living we have lived through a mentally ill century.

02:04:16.780 I think the things that people say, the things that they believe are nuts.

02:04:20.680 And I think if we don't start to say, you know, I mean, you kind of see it with the Democrats as they scramble to get back power.

02:04:26.720 And they say the first thing we have to do is we have to bring back a gang member from prison and import him back into the country.

02:04:32.540 Because we're a horrible thing that we're doing this.

02:04:34.880 You say, whoa, whoa, whoa.

02:04:36.320 You know, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.

02:04:38.400 Exactly right.

02:04:40.520 Exactly right.

02:04:41.340 Andrew, thank you so much.

02:04:42.420 It's great to see you.

02:04:43.180 Always good to see you.

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02:07:16.380 It's been a great day.

02:07:17.740 Thank you so much for listening today.

02:07:19.620 If you would like to watch the interview that I did with the president yesterday from the White House,

02:07:27.120 make sure you go, you get it to Blaze TV.

02:07:29.100 It's available right now.

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02:07:35.860 Yeah, and then you might watch the NFL draft.

02:07:38.420 That's tonight as well.

02:07:40.100 Our two favorite teams are picking right next to each other.

02:07:42.500 Yours is picking 31st, and mine's picking 32nd.

02:07:45.880 I wonder, do we have a reason why are they in that particular order?

02:07:50.260 Does anyone remember?

02:07:51.100 I don't remember because the Eagles are picking last in the draft,

02:07:55.020 and then the Chiefs are second to last.

02:07:56.840 Is there a reason for that?

02:07:57.700 Did they outline that in the rules?

02:07:59.980 Yeah, I think the rules state Philadelphia sucks.

02:08:03.820 Oh, is that it?

02:08:04.940 Yeah, and so they want to give you the last shot.

02:08:07.440 They're like, they're just too temperamental.

02:08:09.960 Oh, too temperamental.

02:08:11.400 Well, that's fair.

02:08:12.260 If that's the reason, that's probably fair.

02:08:14.880 They haven't burned the city down in weeks, Glenn, so come on.

02:08:19.320 Well, they just wanted to make sure that the place that lost Andy Reid goes after the place

02:08:26.580 where they want to give him the advantage.

02:08:29.820 They're like, hey, Andy Reid, he's such a great guy.

02:08:32.920 Let's get him in.

02:08:33.880 The people that lost him, ask for him.

02:08:36.780 That's what he was saying.

02:08:37.200 Andy Reid's a great coach.

02:08:38.140 I will not deny that.

02:08:39.480 That's also the reasons I can think of, too.

02:08:40.940 Didn't help him a few weeks ago in February.

02:08:44.060 But that's a whole other story for another day, Glenn.

02:08:46.880 And too bad we're out of time to pursue that tourist story today.

02:08:52.240 We'll see you tomorrow and tonight on YouTube.

02:08:56.160 If you did miss the presidential interview, it was a great one.

02:09:01.740 You should watch it.

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 24, 2025

Behind the Scenes of Glenn's White House Interview with Trump ｜ Guest： Andrew Klavan ｜ 4⧸24⧸25

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