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00:00:11.560 Today's podcast, we have kind of some reflective thoughts on Monica Lewinsky.

00:00:17.560 She's doing this big, you know, Clinton scandal docuseries that is premiering this weekend. 0.99

00:00:22.700 And, you know, I feel in listening to her, I find her fascinating and it's made me kind of examine everything I thought I knew about that.

00:00:32.680 But not in the way, not politically at all. So we're going to talk a little bit about that.

00:00:36.920 We have Catherine Harris on as well. She was the secretary of state during the 2000 recount in Florida.

00:00:40.600 There's another recount going on in Florida. We're going to find out what's going on with it.

00:00:44.060 And what is the truth in the media? Because we're not we're not hearing it right now.

00:00:47.760 A little bit of wisdom from Rabbi Daniel Lappin and a little bit of fun from Andrew Heaton.

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00:03:12.500 Glenn Beck.

00:03:14.880 OK, you know, out of all the presidential candidates that could run for president in 2020 for the Democrats, I'm.

00:03:25.160 I'm just thinking that Avenatti is.

00:03:28.140 You know, I think he's a.

00:03:30.960 He's probably.

00:03:33.080 You might want to take him off the list.

00:03:35.520 Democrats, you might want to.

00:03:37.800 Now, I'm all for it.

00:03:39.980 I'm all for him.

00:03:40.740 In fact, I'm printing up T-shirts for him. 0.99

00:03:43.700 He's the creepy porn lawyer lawyer. 0.98

00:03:46.420 He is. 0.93

00:03:47.940 He's the guy that has been representing not only Stormy Daniels, but also, you know, the worst of the worst in the Kavanaugh hearings.

00:03:56.640 OK, that's that's that's this guy.

00:03:59.100 He was arrested yesterday afternoon in Los Angeles.

00:04:01.680 And the reason why he was arrested kind of makes you think that maybe there's some kind of invisible force out there making sure, you know, either irony or maybe even karma is receiving its daily offering.

00:04:13.900 I'm just.

00:04:16.160 I'm just saying Michael Avenatti was arrested for domestic violence.

00:04:21.900 Now, the alleged victim filed the complaint on Wednesday, but the incident began on Tuesday.

00:04:29.880 The woman involved is said to have bruising and swelling on her face and was kicked out of Avenatti's Los Angeles area apartment. 0.56

00:04:38.280 Avenatti was heard screaming.

00:04:40.300 This is B.S.

00:04:42.200 This is effing B.S.

00:04:44.520 She hit me first. 0.97

00:04:47.700 Oh, well, if she hit you first. 0.93

00:04:52.220 Yeah, I don't think the whole she hit me first line is going to be a good strategy used in court.

00:04:57.060 You might want to rethink that one.

00:04:59.620 Oh, he already has.

00:05:01.760 Now, I don't know if the media, specifically CNN and MSNBC, are going to do any mea culpas over the next 12 to 24 hours, but I highly doubt it.

00:05:10.880 They have become the Avenatti network and the PR wing over the last eight months.

00:05:15.620 In fact, from March to May, the two networks have Adonatti on over 100 times.

00:05:22.920 He gave 147 interviews on both cable and network TV.

00:05:28.440 MSNBC host Lawrence O'Donnell actually said, quote, Michael Avenatti is becoming my co-host, I have to say.

00:05:35.540 Now, this is, you know, this is before he dragged Julie Swetnick into the limelight to attack Kavanaugh.

00:05:43.900 You know, I wonder, is this going to teach the networks?

00:05:47.580 Nah, let's not spend any time even thinking about that.

00:05:50.400 Could be a learning moment, but it won't be.

00:05:53.000 Speaking of Kavanaugh, you have to you have to hear this Twitter exchange between one user and Avenatti on October 5th.

00:06:01.360 It said Brett Kavanaugh will be confirmed and it's Michael Avenatti's fault.

00:06:06.500 Seriously.

00:06:07.040 That's when Avenatti replied, quote, you are right.

00:06:11.440 I should have turned my back on my client, told her to shut up and stay quiet because people like you apparently believe assault victims are to blame. 0.97

00:06:20.500 Oh, this line of thinking is disgusting and offensive to all survivors. 0.84

00:06:28.400 Yeah.

00:06:29.400 And let's all remember, she hit him first.

00:06:34.040 Then there's this today.

00:06:35.880 Here is his statement that he made last night.

00:06:39.160 I have never struck a woman.

00:06:42.080 I never will strike a woman. 0.70

00:06:44.880 I have been an advocate for women's rights my entire career, and I'm going to continue to be an advocate.

00:06:53.180 I am not going to be intimidated from stopping what I am doing.

00:06:58.720 I am a father to two beautiful, smart daughters.

00:07:04.200 I would never disrespect them by touching a woman inappropriately or striking a woman.

00:07:11.360 Wow.

00:07:11.680 I am looking forward to a full investigation, at which point I am confident that I will be fully exonerated.

00:07:21.060 This is a white man.

00:07:22.840 Okay?

00:07:23.220 This is a white man saying this.

00:07:24.360 This is the oppressor saying this.

00:07:26.020 And in the court of Avenatti, you know, in the hashtag Me Too in public opinion nowadays, that court, you know, holding him to the standard that he helped create,

00:07:35.680 is this statement that he just made not, quote, disgusting and offensive to all survivors?

00:07:43.620 Are we not supposed to believe the woman?

00:07:49.260 Are we not supposed to immediately deem him guilty as accused, run him out of the public square, make sure that he never has a job again,

00:08:01.340 that he could never, ever have a good name or even a chance to defend himself?

00:08:08.000 I wonder if all the men and women screaming at Kavanaugh and the GOP senators in elevators can now see the Pandora's box that they actually wanted open.

00:08:19.900 Did he hit this woman?

00:08:24.420 Well, witnesses say he said, this is BS, this is BS, she hit me first.

00:08:32.420 Now he's on the record saying, I didn't hit her.

00:08:37.200 Is it possible this woman just made this up?

00:08:41.640 Yes.

00:08:42.560 Yes, it is.

00:08:44.160 Is it possible that he hit her?

00:08:47.020 Yes.

00:08:48.000 Yes, it is. 1.00

00:08:49.080 Should we judge him and condemn him and burn him at the stake? 0.99

00:08:53.800 Oh my gosh, it's, I mean, my hands are shaking as I try to keep the match in the box. 0.95

00:09:04.100 But we wait, and he is innocent until he is found guilty.

00:09:09.300 We have to presume that he is innocent until all of the evidence comes out, proving that he's not.

00:09:14.880 By the way, I'm not telling you anything new.

00:09:16.820 You know this.

00:09:17.520 I'm just making sure the record is very, very clear on where constitutionalists stand, where Americans stand.

00:09:26.560 I want the media to hear it very, very clearly.

00:09:30.280 Avenatti is not guilty.

00:09:31.980 We're not saying that he is a spouse abuser, a girlfriend abuser, that he advocates violence against women.

00:09:42.500 We're not saying any of that. 1.00

00:09:45.720 Now, I am saying that he's a scumbag. 0.99

00:09:49.040 I am saying that he's really, really shady, but that doesn't mean he beats women. 1.00

00:09:55.960 See, this is how it works.

00:09:57.720 And when no one else will lead, I guess we will lead.

00:10:03.800 You and I will lead.

00:10:06.180 We're going to do, set the example, do something extraordinary here.

00:10:09.760 Something radical.

00:10:11.020 Let's wait for all of the evidence.

00:10:14.140 We're going to wait for all of the evidence to come out before we convict someone of a crime.

00:10:18.960 That doesn't mean that we don't roll our eyes.

00:10:22.060 We don't laugh.

00:10:22.980 We don't say, wow, there is a God.

00:10:28.720 There is such a thing as karma.

00:10:31.980 Doesn't mean we don't say that and kind of revel in it a little bit.

00:10:36.700 But as far as destroying a man's life on this, no, I don't think so.

00:10:41.780 Avenatti, even the worst, get due process that he deserves.

00:10:47.000 But I doubt neither he nor anyone screaming for Kavanaugh's head will realize exactly what's just happened.

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00:11:15.620 Well, it's been a busy week for the former first ladies, for current first lady Melania Trump.

00:11:21.460 But it has also been a busy one for the woman who 20 odd years ago while working at the White House for then the then president at the age of 21 shot to fame in the most embarrassing way possible.

00:11:33.440 The name, of course, we all know.

00:11:35.220 In fact, her last name has become a verb.

00:11:37.400 Monica Lewinsky. 1.00

00:11:38.940 She has released the, quote, Clinton affair docuseries that premieres this weekend on A&E.

00:11:45.440 It's a six part series examining the cringe inducing days and months surrounding her affair with Bill Clinton.

00:11:51.280 In an article in Vanity Fair earlier this year, she wrote this.

00:11:56.180 Some closest to me asked why I would want to revisit the most painful and traumatic parts of my life.

00:12:01.800 Again, publicly, on camera, with no control on how it would be used.

00:12:08.020 A bit of a head scratcher, as my brother is fond of saying, do I wish I could erase my years in D.C. from my memory, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind style.

00:12:16.700 Well, is the sky blue?

00:12:19.000 I can't.

00:12:20.640 And in order to move forward in life, I have to.

00:12:23.580 I must take risks, both professional and emotional.

00:12:26.940 An important part of my moving forward is excavating, and often painfully, what has gone before.

00:12:32.060 When politicians are asked uncomfortable questions, they often duck and dodge by saying, that's old news, it's from the past.

00:12:37.920 Yes, but that's exactly where we need to start to heal, with the past.

00:12:41.960 But it isn't easy.

00:12:43.680 She added, filming the documentary forced me to acknowledge to myself past behavior that I still regret and feel ashamed of.

00:12:52.000 I think this is a really good thing.

00:12:54.560 There are many, many, many moments when I question not just the decision to participate, but my sanity itself.

00:13:01.980 Despite all the ways I tried to protect my mental health, it was still challenging.

00:13:06.060 During one therapy session, I told my therapist I was feeling especially depressed.

00:13:09.820 She suggested that sometimes what we experience as depression is actually grief.

00:13:16.140 Yes, it was grief.

00:13:17.780 The process of this docuseries led me to new rooms of shame that I still need to explore.

00:13:23.160 Meanwhile, Bill Clinton, the man who has been accused of all sorts of terrible, terrible things,

00:13:29.140 a close friend of Harvey Weinstein, recently admitted that he didn't feel the need to apologize to Lewinsky.

00:13:37.260 Lewinsky disagrees.

00:13:38.580 I'm less disappointed by him, and more disappointed for him.

00:13:44.660 He would have been a better man for it, and we, in turn, a better society.

00:13:49.640 The hashtag MeToo movement has been a wrecking ball for so many men.

00:13:54.740 Yet Bill Clinton, perhaps the most prolific of them all, has escaped unscathed.

00:13:59.900 But perhaps that begins to change with this docuseries.

00:14:04.400 Stu, I don't know how we're supposed to feel.

00:14:06.940 I don't know what the politically correct thing is to feel.

00:14:10.780 But the more I see Monica Lewinsky, the more I like her. 0.98

00:14:14.960 And the more empathy I have for her. 1.00

00:14:17.620 Her, I mean, who didn't make stupid moves when they were 21? 1.00

00:14:23.100 Can you imagine whatever is the worst thing you've ever done in your life, if that was all you were known for? 1.00

00:14:32.520 Yeah.

00:14:33.520 And it would never go away.

00:14:36.320 And you couldn't have, I mean, how does she have a regular relationship? 0.99

00:14:40.120 I mean, as a guy, you're married to Monica Lewinsky.

00:14:45.960 How many jokes, if you're dating her, so?

00:14:48.740 How many jokes?

00:14:49.840 That would be agonizing.

00:14:51.220 It would be horrible.

00:14:52.900 Yeah, and you know what?

00:14:53.600 I think one of the reasons why she comes off as likable is she seems to be the only one in an entire situation who's actually wrestled with what occurred.

00:15:03.680 Right, like Bill Clinton has never shown any true understanding of what happened there.

00:15:10.520 Hillary Clinton has never wrestled with what happened, I think, from her perspective when she was basically trying to, you know, beat these women into oblivion politically to make them go away, to preserve her husband's career.

00:15:24.600 She really seems to have done soul-searching, and what I like about it is she's not just coming out and saying, I'm a victim, and look at me, I'm the new face of Me Too, right?

00:15:35.200 Like, she's saying, I did some things, you know, really terrible things, and I shouldn't have done them, and I feel terrible about them, and I have called and written people that I wronged at the time to apologize, and I think she seems to really have a good perspective.

00:15:51.680 I think she's a remarkable woman.

00:15:53.000 Go to, let's play a couple of clips from this.

00:15:57.800 Just play clip number one here, Sarah.

00:15:59.840 There was a point for me, somewhere in this sort of first several hours, where I would be hysterically crying, and then I would just shut down.

00:16:08.100 And in the shutdown period, I remember looking out the window and thinking that the only way to fix this was to kill myself, was to jump out the window.

00:16:17.600 And, um, I, I just, I felt terrible.

00:16:25.600 I was scared, and I just, I was mortified and afraid of what this was going to do to my family.

00:16:34.460 And, you know, I still was in love with Bill at the time.

00:16:43.560 Um, so I just, I felt really responsible.

00:16:48.760 I mean, that's, wow.

00:16:51.960 She felt responsible for giving him problems, right?

00:16:55.140 She was so in love with him that she felt, and she said this in another point, too, that she, she didn't come out and speak out about it initially because she didn't want to cause problems.

00:17:04.980 She was okay with him denying the affair initially because she didn't want to cause problems for him.

00:17:10.820 Uh, that's a tough, I mean, look, again, she admits that she, she did wrong here.

00:17:16.380 I mean, he was worse, obviously.

00:17:17.620 He was the one that's required to not do things like that.

00:17:20.340 I mean, you know, she did something wrong, though, too, and she admits that.

00:17:23.900 Uh, but, I mean, that is a brutal moment, you know?

00:17:27.140 I mean, and you can imagine, it's, it's nonstop for her.

00:17:29.700 The entire country is talking about her.

00:17:31.700 You know, Bill Clinton's the president of the United States.

00:17:33.180 He's used to this sort of stuff.

00:17:34.520 He's had, he has a capacity to deal with it at some level. 0.96

00:17:37.600 You're just some intern who, who rolls in there and gets out of control and does something stupid, and then your entire life is defined by it. 0.98

00:17:45.060 That is really, I mean. 0.99

00:17:46.860 I want you to, could I play that clip one more time, but I want you to listen to it with a different ear.

00:17:51.180 Because this is what struck me.

00:17:54.760 This was happening when we were doing morning radio.

00:17:58.060 Were you with me at that time?

00:18:00.040 Probably not.

00:18:01.040 Yeah, no, I was, I was there, yeah.

00:18:02.460 And then we did, you know, we did the trial.

00:18:04.560 We did a whole show based on the trial.

00:18:06.400 Yeah, I did a whole show based on the trial.

00:18:06.420 Yeah.

00:18:07.680 And I can't recall, but I'm sure I made Lewinsky jokes.

00:18:12.080 Oh, I'm sure.

00:18:12.700 I'm sure we did.

00:18:13.620 Everybody in America was making it at the time.

00:18:15.100 Everybody.

00:18:15.380 I want you to just put yourself right now, real quick, back in that time of what you were doing and saying at the time.

00:18:24.000 And now, listen to what she was going through at the same time we were doing whatever it is we were all engaged in.

00:18:32.980 Listen, one more time.

00:18:33.700 There was a point for me somewhere in this sort of first several hours where I would be hysterically crying and then I would just shut down.

00:18:41.320 And in the shutdown period, I remember looking out the window and thinking that the only way to fix this was to kill myself, was to jump out the window.

00:18:51.740 And, um, I, I just, I felt terrible.

00:18:59.760 I was scared and I just, I was mortified and afraid of what this was going to do to my family.

00:19:08.600 And, you know, I still was in love with Bill at the time.

00:19:17.080 Um, so I just, I felt really responsible. 0.99

00:19:24.920 As we were, as we were just arguing about he lied, he's a dirt bag, he shouldn't be president. 0.98

00:19:33.640 She was worried about her family. 0.99

00:19:36.840 She was contemplating suicide because he just wanted it to stop.

00:19:40.940 Uh, how many of us took the time or were Christ-like enough to be able to say, she's a human being.

00:19:55.320 Wait a minute.

00:19:55.740 Hang on just a second.

00:19:57.000 This is a human being.

00:19:58.120 This isn't about politics when it comes to her.

00:20:01.760 Think of how she was run through the mud.

00:20:07.280 And nobody really cared about her.

00:20:09.900 I don't think anybody really cared about her.

00:20:11.620 It was all about him.

00:20:13.760 Nobody really cared about her.

00:20:15.420 Yeah.

00:20:15.560 You know, interesting.

00:20:16.900 She never really was an ally of the right.

00:20:21.140 Where, you know, sometimes where you have like, um, you know, if, if someone accused Barack Obama of an affair and was outward and speaking about it, like Stormy Daniels is with Trump, right?

00:20:30.200 Like Stormy Daniels feels, I'm sure, to the left, like an ally because she's trying to take the president down. 1.00

00:20:35.240 Monica Lewinsky never was like that. 1.00

00:20:36.460 Remember, it was Linda Tripp who recorded her.

00:20:38.500 It was the whole reason why a lot of this stuff came out.

00:20:41.000 She didn't go to the, she didn't try to destroy his career with this information at any point.

00:20:45.680 No, she just knew.

00:20:46.240 She talked to Linda Tripp, if I'm not mistaken, because she knew she was in trouble. 0.95

00:20:49.240 Some of the other accusers were, were more outspoken.

00:20:53.080 I mean, you know, Paula Jones and those who became figures that were at least accepted by half the country.

00:20:59.260 Monica Lewinsky, because she never really aligned herself with the right in the effort to take Clinton down, she had no allies. 1.00

00:21:06.700 Because, of course, the Democrats abandoned her immediately.

00:21:10.040 And, you know, she became just the butt of jokes. 1.00

00:21:13.200 I don't know that I ever realized, it's a really interesting way you put that, to listen to it with that ear.

00:21:17.440 Because I don't know that I ever realized it with that case, and that case was a long time ago.

00:21:21.760 But we were, I'm sure, making jokes and stuff like everybody was.

00:21:24.040 I know we were.

00:21:25.060 Had to have been.

00:21:25.780 Everybody was.

00:21:26.420 John Ronson was a guy, and we've had him on a few times, who wrote a book about, more in the social media era, these people, these random stories you hear that bubble up for one day.

00:21:36.860 But, you know, the woman, the most famous one is the woman who made the joke about AIDS in Africa, trying to mock the fact that we didn't care about Africa enough.

00:21:44.640 But she was going over to Africa on a plane to go help.

00:21:47.380 She was going over to help, and she was on the plane when the tweet blew up, went viral, and her life was basically ruined.

00:21:55.620 And you read stories like that, and you realize when, this thing that seems fun to give snarky comments to on the web, there's somebody there just suffering through that moment.

00:22:06.340 It's the worst moment of their lives.

00:22:08.760 I know you've done this with several of these situations.

00:22:11.940 The one that pops into my head was James Gunn, the guy who did Guardians of the Galaxy.

00:22:16.300 Yeah.

00:22:16.580 And they unearthed some tweets of his that were, you know, not so, not ones he wanted to represent his current character.

00:22:25.980 And he was, he lost that gig.

00:22:27.760 We're talking, you know, this is an eight-figure, you know, gig for him.

00:22:31.680 And you were on Twitter saying, like, look, you know, I understand, and I, you know, you were, you could, I think a lot of people on the right did go after him for that, because he was a left-wing celebrity, and he was critical of people like Ben Shapiro.

00:22:46.100 But, I mean, in those moments, if you can kind of get over that desire to feel that emotion, I think you wind up being a better person for it.

00:22:56.620 I think you do.

00:22:58.220 And this brings me to something else.

00:23:01.580 Monica Lewinsky now.

00:23:03.860 That's all she is.

00:23:05.140 It's like Brett Kavanaugh.

00:23:06.280 That's all he'll be.

00:23:07.640 He'll be that moment.

00:23:08.680 Doesn't matter how long he lives.

00:23:10.280 For the rest of his night.

00:23:12.400 Clarence Thomas.

00:23:13.980 Puig hair.

00:23:14.360 That's all he, that's all he is.

00:23:16.760 He will always have that attached.

00:23:19.160 There's something that's happening in Europe, and, and I find it, I find it viscerally the right thing, but intellectually, absolutely the wrong thing.

00:23:31.840 There, now in, in Europe, they are, they are claiming there is another human right that all humans deserve, and that is the right to be forgotten.

00:23:43.060 Now, think of this.

00:23:46.920 Monica Lewinsky, the case would be, she has a right to be forgotten. 1.00

00:23:55.060 She, she shouldn't have to live her entire life apologizing or being shaped by one event in her life when she was 21 years old.

00:24:07.980 She has a right to be forgotten, and because of the internet, it never goes away.

00:24:16.680 It's always there, and so you don't have a chance to start over again, and I, I really do believe this is something that we have to address because our memories, they, they work to our advantage.

00:24:31.780 I mean, our memories soften, we think of our childhood years as better years, most of us, even though they weren't, they weren't, we just see them differently.

00:24:42.300 Time eases things, but when you have the internet, and it is right there in your face, and it's always that thing, you don't ever move.

00:24:53.800 If you're big enough, if that mistake was big enough, like Monica Lewinsky, she can never move on from that.

00:25:01.780 Now, they're passing laws in Europe, but the problem with it is, well, then are you erasing history?

00:25:09.840 You can't erase history, but how do we balance this?

00:25:16.340 How do we balance the right to be forgotten with the, with the right to record history as it really, truly was?

00:25:26.180 We have no separation from the history now, and that's the real problem.

00:25:36.560 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:25:40.260 Kind of like deja vu, as we look at a Florida recount, and I welcome to the program, Catherine Harris,

00:25:56.060 a former Florida Secretary of State who oversaw the nonsense that was happening in Florida in 2000.

00:26:02.840 Catherine, how are you?

00:26:04.240 I'm so well, so nice to talk to you again.

00:26:06.300 Really good to talk to you.

00:26:07.980 So, Catherine, I thought that we, I thought we had learned our lesson in Florida.

00:26:15.080 What happened?

00:26:16.100 I think we had.

00:26:17.140 When I was in the Senate, I had to pass election reform, and there wasn't the political will to do it.

00:26:23.400 But then after being Secretary of State, and we came back, we said, we're going to pass election reform.

00:26:27.400 All the media mocked us and said it would never happen.

00:26:29.900 Well, we did pass my bill, plus everything else we learned, testified before Congress.

00:26:33.680 They said it was the model for election reform, and it's been modified numerous times.

00:26:39.060 So we have an extraordinary model for election reform, and we have laws that are sufficient to take us through this.

00:26:45.380 A lot of this issue has been patience in the process.

00:26:48.920 We do have a mandatory recount.

00:26:50.420 We do have a manual recount if it's .25%.

00:26:53.880 But, Glenn, this is Florida.

00:26:57.040 And what I mean by that is not Florida, oh, my goodness, we're going to have these problems.

00:27:01.100 We're not a red state.

00:27:02.200 We're not a blue state.

00:27:02.920 We're a purple state.

00:27:04.000 Right.

00:27:04.260 We're always going to have close elections, and it's not a constitutional crisis the laws are going to get us through.

00:27:09.960 We can legislate this clearly.

00:27:13.000 We can't legislate integrity.

00:27:14.960 So, yeah, so here's the problem.

00:27:16.940 The Brenda Snipes thing, from a distance, seems like she shouldn't have been there, you know, a long time ago she should have been fired. 0.91

00:27:26.040 Well, you know, the supervisors of elections, which many of your listeners may not realize, are constitutionally elected officers, meaning that each county elects them, and they are solely responsible for their equipment and solely responsible for the organization of the ballot.

00:27:43.300 Now, the secretary of state can give input, but they have no authority over them.

00:27:47.820 Hence, we had to restore the butterfly ballot.

00:27:50.800 Now we have Brenda Snipes. 1.00

00:27:53.000 She can be removed, but only by the secretary of state, or not by the secretary of state.

00:27:57.620 All right.

00:27:57.860 So yesterday, they're supposed to have everything in by 3 o'clock this afternoon.

00:28:02.580 And yesterday, was it Palm Beach or was it Broward that said, oh, our machines are overheating, and now we have to do it all over again?

00:28:10.060 They are antiquated machines, and they are well aware that they needed to have proper equipment going into this.

00:28:16.480 Many of the supervisors of the elections office, I talked with them in Sarasota.

00:28:20.020 They said, hey, this midterm is going to be a big deal, and we plan for a presidential election.

00:28:25.220 So antiquated equipment.

00:28:27.080 But what's interesting, and this is, I think, what's important, whenever I was secretary of state, my only safe harbor was people got tired of me talking about, I'm just following the law.

00:28:36.980 Some of the laws I didn't like, but they were the laws we had at the time.

00:28:42.140 And our rule of law is our bedrock of our nation.

00:28:45.660 It restricts all the arbitrary exercise or abuse of power by making it subordinate to existing laws that are well-established and well-defined.

00:28:58.720 So that's the bedrock.

00:29:00.280 Now, what frightens me was my personal experience.

00:29:03.680 We went to the – and people never knew this or recalled it, but we petitioned the Florida Supreme Court immediately after the – when the recount was going to hit for a statewide recount, and they refused.

00:29:18.640 The Democrats were more interested in Al Gore's political viability in prolonging what is this first phase called the protest phase.

00:29:25.920 And by doing so, they short-circuited the opportunity to recount statewide in the contest phase.

00:29:32.120 So when courts interfere with the law, when politicians interfere, when lawyers interfere, there are unintended consequences.

00:29:40.300 So here they thought they were being so clever to enhance his political viability, but they short-circuited themselves.

00:29:46.240 And this is what worries me with these experiments.

00:29:49.080 Then the Florida Supreme Court finally intervened and said, no, you don't do a statewide recount.

00:29:56.380 You're just going to count them in these three heavily Democratic counties, and that's going to determine the result for Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade.

00:30:05.540 In doing so, they ended up losing at the end of the day at the U.S. Supreme Court because it wasn't equal protection under the law.

00:30:12.880 But you probably remember Palm Beach came back and said, well, the Florida Supreme Court said you can certify Friday or Sunday, sort of an arbitrary edict, but they said you shall.

00:30:24.860 That's not maybe or sort of.

00:30:26.880 So we said, while the nation is waiting and we need to get on with this, we're going to wait until Sunday to give everybody the time and the abundance of caution.

00:30:34.960 So come Saturday, Palm Beach started saying, we're not going to be ready.

00:30:39.880 You have to extend.

00:30:40.840 And honestly, I thought, I can be generous.

00:30:44.060 I can extend.

00:30:45.500 But had I extended, I would have broken the law.

00:30:49.640 So today at three, is that where the judge said you have to have it done by three?

00:30:56.480 And if for some reason someone thinks they're being generous to extend, it's just wrong.

00:31:00.800 And I'll tell you why.

00:31:02.100 You have to follow the laws that's written.

00:31:04.060 And I'll make one other point about that.

00:31:05.620 But Teresa Lepore in Palm Beach said, oh, just three hours.

00:31:09.780 Oh, just a day.

00:31:11.300 They hadn't finished counting in three weeks, three months.

00:31:14.480 They never finished counting.

00:31:17.480 And I would have broken the law and I would put everything asunder that I had sought to do in following the letter of the law.

00:31:24.920 That is only safe harbor.

00:31:26.080 Now, as to not following the law, we have great election laws.

00:31:32.300 If you don't like them, change them the next legislative cycle as we did in 2000 or rather in 2001.

00:31:39.540 However, to come along now and say, oh, absentee ballot signatures don't have to match the reference in the Supervisor's Elections Office.

00:31:52.780 That is breaking the law.

00:31:56.040 To say, oh, no, we want to count every vote.

00:31:58.600 Even all the illegals should even count. 1.00

00:32:00.720 Anyone who voted should count.

00:32:02.200 That is breaking the law.

00:32:03.920 In the last election cycle, felons were not allowed to vote.

00:32:07.240 In the future, they will.

00:32:08.380 In the last election cycle, they were not allowed to vote.

00:32:10.880 But if they allow the felons to go through, which there were 42,000 felons on our rolls in the secretary in an election 2000, if they allow that vote to go through, that is breaking the law.

00:32:21.800 Just because you don't like it does not mean you don't follow it.

00:32:27.060 You have to follow the law.

00:32:28.180 Thank you very much for reassuring America that it's not 2000 all over again and it's not out of control.

00:32:40.880 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:02.800 The world is completely upside down.

00:33:06.380 And when it gets to that point, it's always good to have Rabbi Daniel Lappin around.

00:33:14.180 Rabbi Lappin is just one of the best guys.

00:33:17.440 I mean, if you've never heard his podcast, you need to listen to his podcast.

00:33:21.400 He'll explain why clothing needs to, you know, not be unisex.

00:33:29.820 And he takes you back through history and he's fantastic.

00:33:33.980 He's a fantastic teacher.

00:33:35.220 He is with us now, Rabbi Lappin.

00:33:39.060 How are you, sir?

00:33:40.040 Couldn't be better, Glenn.

00:33:41.220 Thank you very much indeed.

00:33:42.540 Only just slightly concerned.

00:33:45.480 I appreciated your introduction very much indeed.

00:33:47.780 It was far more than I deserve.

00:33:49.080 But you did indicate that my prime usefulness is when the world is upside down.

00:33:54.900 Well, you are in great demand then right now.

00:33:57.340 The world has truly unhinged from reality all around the world.

00:34:08.220 Nobody is paying attention to things that we should be paying attention to.

00:34:11.620 China is becoming 1984, a police state beyond anyone, beyond George Orwell's imagining. 0.93

00:34:18.880 They're now into this hemisphere. 0.98

00:34:20.460 They are now bringing that technology to Venezuela.

00:34:23.840 We have a woman in Pakistan who is a Christian who they're screaming to be beheaded where the Supreme Court said this is a trumped up charge.

00:34:32.300 There is nothing happening.

00:34:33.860 The Pakistani Supreme Court.

00:34:35.480 And the U.K. is afraid to bring them in.

00:34:40.200 Sharia law is now starting to be a part of the U.K.

00:34:43.200 Then you also just have the fun of the last election.

00:34:46.300 Well, in passing, let me just drop in one little thing which may not be relevant to our discussion today.

00:34:52.160 But when you said the whole world is going crazy, there seems to be an exception.

00:34:56.020 Large parts of Africa are actually quite sane.

00:34:59.000 And this is a fact, Ghana, Nigeria, Zambia, and many, many other places as well.

00:35:07.100 What I mean by this is that I've recently been doing some speaking in both the United Kingdom and in Switzerland.

00:35:13.260 I just got back from Switzerland last week.

00:35:15.560 And in both cases, I have found that there are Christian evangelical churches packed to the rafters.

00:35:24.180 And the leadership is almost always pastors from Africa.

00:35:29.800 Now, this is really fascinating, of course, because in the 19th century, we watched England and Europe bringing the gospel to the so-called dark continent, to Africa.

00:35:41.040 Well, Africa is returning the compliment right now. 0.99

00:35:43.340 And it's really a pleasure to talk to many of these people who are completely free of the infection of secular fundamentalism, which drives so much of what you're describing in Europe, elsewhere, and even in the United States.

00:35:59.180 Because you believe, and we were talking about this the other day.

00:36:03.720 In fact, let me play an example of it.

00:36:05.700 Here's a group of people that are out protesting a speech by Ben Shapiro, a bunch of college students.

00:36:12.480 I want you to listen to this exchange and help me make sense of this.

00:36:17.760 Do you think he should speak tonight or no?

00:36:19.760 No, no, not at all.

00:36:21.300 What about free speech and the Constitution?

00:36:22.920 How does it work?

00:36:24.900 That's a good point, but he shouldn't be allowed to have free speech if he's going to preach the kinds of things that he preaches.

00:36:30.920 Well, what are some of the things that you're talking about, though?

00:36:32.720 I don't know what he said specifically.

00:36:37.420 Do you know any quotes or anything?

00:36:40.000 I don't know what he said specifically.

00:36:41.300 I just don't agree with his part for him. 0.97

00:36:43.120 F*** him against Ben Shapiro because, I mean, it would take a while to describe everything that's wrong with him. 0.97

00:36:51.820 Protesting or for Ben? 0.99

00:36:53.620 Okay, stop.

00:36:54.600 So, I mean.

00:36:55.440 Perfectly normal, perfectly natural.

00:36:56.980 Well, this is exactly what would have happened had a Catholic priest stood up in 720 when the Muslims were sweeping through the Spanish Peninsula. 1.00

00:37:09.040 And he would have said, hey, I want to give a speech about why Catholicism works.

00:37:14.640 What would the Muslims have done? 0.50

00:37:16.460 They wouldn't have said, oh, that's an interesting thought.

00:37:18.800 Why don't we have a symposium on the topic?

00:37:21.080 They wouldn't.

00:37:21.740 They'd have taken off his head. 0.68

00:37:23.500 Right.

00:37:23.680 And then they convert his church into a mosque and they move on to the next town.

00:37:27.880 That's what you do.

00:37:29.520 Look, this is about competing faith systems, literally competing religions.

00:37:36.160 It is not different from when the Muslims stood at the gates of Vienna in 1683.

00:37:42.520 And who was it?

00:37:43.640 It was the king of Poland who actually saved the Western world on that day.

00:37:48.300 It's not different from any time there have been clashes between competing and incompatible faiths.

00:37:56.180 Ben Shapiro stands for, as do you, for heaven's sake, for so many years, Glenn, for a worldview based on a Judeo-Christian biblical model.

00:38:08.180 And the mobs on the campus stand for a vision that is based on the Tower of Babel, essentially.

00:38:16.620 I mean, nine verses at the beginning of Chapter 11 in Genesis provide a complete matrix of understanding of the tension that is taking place there.

00:38:25.960 But, of course, they don't want to hear what he says.

00:38:28.560 Why would they?

00:38:29.640 Tell me, quickly go over the nine verses, if you can.

00:38:33.200 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:38:34.980 Look, there's not a hundred different ways of organizing society.

00:38:42.480 There are 5,000 different cultures in the world, but there are not 5,000 different civilizations in the world.

00:38:50.660 You know, of the many lessons my dad taught me, one of them is he used to bring home mechanical clocks that were broken.

00:38:57.700 To this day, I still don't know, like, did he talk to people and say, hey, you got any clocks set up?

00:39:02.480 I don't know where he got these things from.

00:39:04.480 But he used to bring them to me and suggest I try and repair them.

00:39:08.820 And, I mean, I still love fiddling with gear wheels and things.

00:39:12.700 But there was a lesson at the end of the day.

00:39:15.200 The lesson at the end of the day was there are not 20 different ways of reassembling that clock.

00:39:20.920 There's only one.

00:39:21.700 And the idea that there are lots and lots and lots of different civilizations all equally as good as one another is not one that merely I disagree with.

00:39:34.320 But all those folks who drown in the Mediterranean, struggling to get from Africa to Europe, well, they also agree with that view. 1.00

00:39:42.860 And all the people who recognize that there's no illegal immigration problem in, you know, in Kinshasa and no illegal immigration problem in Saudi Arabia.

00:39:54.440 And guess what?

00:39:55.080 No one's struggling to break through the borders of Pakistan.

00:39:57.920 I haven't noticed any caravans moving towards those borders.

00:40:02.260 Everybody agrees that the civilization that was created by the West provides the ultimate in freedom from misery.

00:40:10.980 It provides the ultimate in terms of medical achievement, scientific achievement, economic achievement.

00:40:18.360 And there are not a lot of ways of making that happen.

00:40:22.440 So how do you, when you are dealing with a religion, which I think you're right, this is now religious fervor.

00:40:28.540 You either believe it or they crucify you.

00:40:31.180 Yes. 1.00

00:40:31.440 They burn you at the stake. 1.00

00:40:33.220 They will destroy you. 0.99

00:40:34.480 I don't know how scientists even.

00:40:36.740 That girl just lacked the words. 1.00

00:40:38.620 I mean, what she was really trying to say was, I don't care what Ben says. 0.85

00:40:41.720 He's a heretic.

00:40:42.720 Right.

00:40:43.080 That's all there is to it.

00:40:44.340 And I don't see how they don't realize that they're not Galileo anymore.

00:40:51.260 They're the Catholic Church.

00:40:52.320 Yeah, that's absolutely right.

00:40:53.560 Look, what distinguishes a religion from a tennis club? 0.69

00:40:56.680 And really only one thing, and that is that it answers three transcendent questions of life.

00:41:04.240 Essentially, the most important one, how did life arrive on this planet?

00:41:08.860 You know, here we are in this sort of remote speck of dust in a remote galaxy in a limitless universe.

00:41:15.140 And although we've been searching avidly, spending vast amounts of your tax money and mine trying to find other life in outer space, which is, you know, something that would be fantastic because then it could prove that this really was a random occurrence.

00:41:29.960 But at the moment, so far, we've only got life on this planet.

00:41:33.940 You've got to answer the question of how we got there.

00:41:36.280 And there are only two doctrines to explain that.

00:41:38.920 And both are religious doctrines.

00:41:41.120 Neither is provable.

00:41:42.340 If they were, there wouldn't be any debate any longer.

00:41:44.800 One is that a good and loving God created us in his image and placed us here.

00:41:50.820 That's one view.

00:41:51.680 The other view is by a lengthy process of unaided materialistic evolution, primitive protoplasm turned into plumbers and proctologists or whatever.

00:42:01.940 I mean, and one shouldn't laugh at other people's belief systems because that's rude.

00:42:07.700 But that's really what this is all about.

00:42:10.000 And everything flows from how you answer those two, that basic question.

00:42:16.580 Secular fundamentalism has become the official state religion in America.

00:42:20.780 It's certainly the religion of the temple of American culture, the university campus.

00:42:25.820 And that's why the battles are being fought over there on the campus.

00:42:30.120 So did you say you were over in England?

00:42:32.400 Yes, I was recently.

00:42:34.220 This thing with Asia Bibi is very disturbing. 1.00

00:42:38.680 Are you following that?

00:42:39.500 Yes, I am.

00:42:40.180 Okay, so this is the woman who has been in prison over in Pakistan for nine years on trumped up charges.

00:42:47.240 She was supposed to be executed.

00:42:48.960 The Supreme Court looked at her case over in Pakistan.

00:42:52.160 They said this was a mistake, a travesty of justice.

00:42:56.460 They released her.

00:42:57.640 She's now under government protection, which you can't really trust that for very long.

00:43:03.360 She's asked the U.K. for shelter and refugee status.

00:43:07.480 They will not give it to her because they said she'd cause probably too many disruptions and civil unrest in the United Kingdom.

00:43:17.540 As I'm looking at the United Kingdom, Rabbi Lappin, you've got the Labour Party being investigated for anti-Semitism.

00:43:25.600 You have all of the police, it seems, and all of the government structures hiding from the bad element of the Islamists and hiding the bad element from others. 0.98

00:43:42.160 Yes.

00:43:43.080 I mean, how close are we to losing England?

00:43:45.780 Well, I thought very close indeed until I had a chance.

00:43:52.040 I spoke for 22 churches in 21 days.

00:43:57.560 And I had expected, I didn't fully understand, I thought I was being put in front of English-Anglican churches.

00:44:05.280 I wasn't.

00:44:05.840 But you walk into most Anglican churches in the United Kingdom and there's three half-wits sitting in the pews because they've got nowhere else to be.

00:44:13.800 Correct.

00:44:14.200 So like going to church in New York, it's their art galleries now.

00:44:18.240 Oh, no, it's a job.

00:44:19.180 Bars. 0.86

00:44:19.500 That's right.

00:44:20.040 But I spoke for Hillsong Church in London, 10,000 people sitting there.

00:44:26.860 And so it was in every church I spoke.

00:44:29.760 So, look, I personally believe being as this is a struggle between two competing belief systems, I do think that the only hope is not political but religious because we know back to the year 2000,

00:44:45.520 even the New York Times agreed that the most reliable correlation of Republican voters was regular church attendance.

00:44:53.300 And so I do think that in the same way that we saw a huge religious reawakening in America fuel the war of independence and we saw a second religious reawakening propel the abolition of slavery,

00:45:09.220 I think we're looking forward.

00:45:10.980 I'm looking forward.

00:45:12.140 I don't want to sound like an Orthodox rabbi singing onward Christian soldiers. 1.00

00:45:15.560 But I'm looking forward to a third religious reawakening because when people's hearts change, so do their politics.

00:45:24.440 So you and I have been friends for I don't even know how long now.

00:45:27.660 And you are you're so friendly to the Christians.

00:45:31.560 And I hope to be as friendly to Jews as you are to Christians.

00:45:36.280 And we both know that Martin Luther King was right. 0.93

00:45:39.980 And you got to change people's hearts.

00:45:42.560 But how how do you do that in a world where so much is justified?

00:45:51.080 The pushback, you know, people have had enough.

00:45:54.860 They've had enough and it's become insane.

00:45:58.320 And if you don't push back, they're going to steamroll you.

00:46:01.780 I think that's why Donald Trump won.

00:46:03.280 He won because he was not afraid to have somebody say something bad about him and he was going to fight fire with fire.

00:46:12.920 That's why I supported him.

00:46:14.200 Yeah, absolutely.

00:46:14.960 No question about it.

00:46:15.860 So how do we not how do we not lose our decency in that?

00:46:25.720 Look, Glenn, I don't want to I don't want to sound insincere or or or or flattering at all.

00:46:35.000 But I'm talking the truth when I say that this is something you've been doing all along.

00:46:41.980 You remember our get together in in Utah.

00:46:45.620 And and I mean, there have been so many of the get together.

00:46:48.360 Yes.

00:46:48.560 But bringing together like minded people, I think, is the clue.

00:46:53.500 I think it happens in evangelical churches in America.

00:46:56.960 It happens in orthodox synagogues.

00:46:59.580 But it doesn't have to take place in a specifically religious environment, as Donald Trump showed.

00:47:05.960 And as you've been doing for much longer, when when people come together at the mall,

00:47:12.700 you remember that that great event you you put together and I was so honored to be there.

00:47:17.340 Um, people happen to be people in in general, if we would have said to those people, look,

00:47:24.200 you may not have thought about this, but we're putting you on the spot.

00:47:27.080 You absolutely have to tell us which of these two arguments do you prefer?

00:47:31.740 People were put here by created in God's image and put here by God.

00:47:35.660 Or people grew up out of a primitive slime into chimpanzees.

00:47:40.360 And then people you got to pick which one is closer.

00:47:43.200 That the overwhelming majority of people who were in Utah, who were at the mall or anywhere else,

00:47:48.500 anywhere else that you gather, large crowds of people, uh, would have said, well, uh, yeah,

00:47:54.900 we're on, on the side of God created.

00:47:56.980 I can't prove it.

00:47:57.620 I know.

00:47:57.780 But if you force me to make a decision, I'm, I'm on that side.

00:48:00.520 That's what the majority of people would have said.

00:48:02.520 Uh, on the university campus, the majority of people will say the other side.

00:48:07.500 And, um, one of, one of my books, uh, it's called America's Real War, which, which you

00:48:12.500 did a great deal to popularize years ago.

00:48:15.080 Um, when, when we spoke about it on one of the shows, uh, that I'm reissuing that book

00:48:20.860 with new chapters, because here's the big missing piece.

00:48:24.260 You got to explain the strange and bizarre alliance between radical Islam and American 0.99

00:48:33.800 liberalism.

00:48:35.420 What are these two groups got to do with what?

00:48:37.440 Well, the answer is everything.

00:48:39.160 Yeah.

00:48:39.340 And that's crucial to understand.

00:48:41.200 Rabbi Lappin, always good to talk to you.

00:48:42.580 Thank you so much.

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