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00:00:00.000 How far will the left go to shut down voices and rights that it disagrees with?

00:00:24.260 I'll explore that and a whole lot more with one of the world's leading experts on economic warfare and financial terrorism.

00:00:32.340 Coming up in one minute, my conversation with Kevin Freeman.

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00:00:54.460 With the summer travel season almost here, I thought it was the perfect time to catch up on the Glenn Beck podcast episodes that you might have missed.

00:01:01.400 They come out every Saturday.

00:01:03.020 In recent months, I've had dozens of wide ranging, long form conversations with people on the front lines of culture, politics, education and technology.

00:01:13.920 I'm going to share portions of some of these vital conversations today, but you can find much more and the full conversations at Glenn Beck dot com or wherever you download your podcasts.

00:01:24.960 First, I want to jump into my conversation with financial expert and host of the Blaze TV's economic war room.

00:01:31.080 Kevin Freeman, we are now entering a time where there is an economic war on speech, on religion, on guns.

00:01:42.840 And when I brought this up three years ago and said, this is how they're going to fight guns, they're going to fight it economically.

00:01:51.560 They're going to go through the banks.

00:01:53.080 Right.

00:01:53.620 Don't worry about the Constitution.

00:01:55.400 They'll go through the banks.

00:01:56.400 They're doing that now with guns and speech and everything.

00:02:02.140 They'll go through amendments three, four, five, six.

00:02:04.880 But they're going after the Bill of Rights.

00:02:06.940 They are.

00:02:07.640 They are for control.

00:02:08.660 And so to your point on guns, there was something called Operation Choke Point.

00:02:14.440 And recently, American Banker magazine representing the American Banker Association admitted, yes, Operation Choke Point was real.

00:02:22.060 The FDIC really was encouraging banks to close accounts of gun sellers.

00:02:27.980 It was illegal.

00:02:29.740 And we have 900 pages of testimony that proved that it was illegal.

00:02:34.280 So when did that happen?

00:02:35.960 When the American Banker Association say or when did that?

00:02:38.840 When was Choke Point?

00:02:40.420 Choke Point was under the Obama administration.

00:02:43.460 And they literally, through the FDIC, they were encouraging.

00:02:47.520 All right.

00:02:47.900 So you're a bank and you work with the FDIC.

00:02:50.420 You just want to get through your review as quickly as possible.

00:02:53.560 And the FDIC says, by the way, we think that those companies that sell guns, they're a little shady.

00:03:00.760 It's going to make it a little harder for us to do the review if you're doing business with them.

00:03:04.340 If you want to just stop doing business and close the accounts, you can do that.

00:03:09.760 And so banks did.

00:03:11.000 If you don't have a gun seller, if you don't have the ability to buy a gun from a reputable licensed dealer following the Second Amendment rights, how do you get a weapon legally?

00:03:24.840 Well, you get it through a private transaction, which they're trying to ban.

00:03:28.140 You get it through a gun show, which they're trying to ban.

00:03:30.700 So this was a methodology, and it was purposed, and it was said in the American Banker article, it said they were doing it based on their partisan beliefs or based on their predetermined, what they thought was right and wrong, their moral beliefs.

00:03:46.040 So that's Operation Chokepoint.

00:03:48.960 Now, about a year ago, Andrew Ross Sorkin, who is New York Times columnist, he is also the co-host of Squawk Box on CNBC.

00:03:59.020 Every morning I see him, and I see Joe Kernan, and Joe Kernan represents the conservative side, and Andrew Ross Sorkin represents the pleasant progressive side.

00:04:08.520 And he's very pleasant about it, and he always makes good arguments, even though I disagree almost.

00:04:13.520 He wrote an article in the New York Times that said, government will not be able to solve the gun problem because we have this pesky Second Amendment.

00:04:21.500 But you banks can do it.

00:04:23.700 PayPal, you can do it.

00:04:25.380 All of the finance companies have more power than government, and he's openly encouraged them to start canceling the PayPal accounts, the bank accounts, and so forth.

00:04:34.940 And it's not just with guns.

00:04:36.880 They're now doing it to people in my business.

00:04:40.620 They are silencing us one by one, and people are not seeing it.

00:04:50.000 You had Robert Spencer on a podcast here, didn't you?

00:04:52.640 Yeah.

00:04:52.940 He was targeted.

00:04:53.960 I know he was.

00:04:55.000 He was targeted.

00:04:55.740 It's not, you know, it's Alec Jones and Robert Spencer, and they're going systematically across anyone who's speaking something contrary to what we find or deem acceptable.

00:05:05.020 And you wonder, why are these people, why aren't they on the air?

00:05:08.560 Why aren't, you know, why are they being silenced?

00:05:10.600 Well, they aren't able to earn a living.

00:05:13.620 They can't even get a bank account.

00:05:15.240 Well, we just saw a few weeks ago that the paperwork has now come out, and so now we actually know the numbers.

00:05:27.620 But when we were saying Facebook is crushing conservatives, the algorithm was changed, and it changed the traffic by 70% to conservative websites.

00:05:39.560 I mean, we're, you know, when the Germans rounded up the Jews, they put them in ghettos.

00:05:47.760 You can live your Jewish life.

00:05:49.880 You can do whatever you want.

00:05:51.060 We're building a wall around you.

00:05:52.760 Well, nobody saw them.

00:05:54.420 Nobody heard them.

00:05:56.900 No matter how loud they shouted, it just went into a brick wall around there, and then they could liquidate them.

00:06:02.680 Aren't we doing that virtually?

00:06:07.100 We are, and we cover a lot of this in the economic war room.

00:06:11.700 So by controlling and silencing people or changing the algorithms or the search results output, I think it's Dr. Robert Epstein.

00:06:22.120 He was published in USA Today.

00:06:23.520 He said, I'm a Hillary Clinton supporter.

00:06:25.240 I'm still a supporter today, but here's the fact.

00:06:29.340 The page results produced by Google had the potential to swing the election, probably move independents by 10 points, which means that had they not done that, I wonder what President Trump might have won by.

00:06:43.820 I think that there are a lot of people who didn't vote for President Trump, but they voted against Hillary Clinton.

00:06:50.080 And when you do surveys of Christians throughout the South, and you're asking, why did you vote for this guy?

00:06:55.980 Because he's got this bad history here, and he's with this porn star and all this.

00:07:00.780 Why did you vote for him?

00:07:01.820 They always say, because she hates us.

00:07:04.600 And everybody knew who the she hates us was.

00:07:07.640 But they were silencing free speech, manipulating elections, and they're doing it with search results.

00:07:13.740 And that is a silencing of free speech.

00:07:16.660 And in my mind, it's election fraud.

00:07:18.960 And it's nudge.

00:07:21.520 It's nudge.

00:07:22.560 It's what Cass Sunstein talked about.

00:07:25.780 All you have to do is just nudge people.

00:07:29.260 Just alter the search results just a little bit here and a little bit there, and all of a sudden, you're on a different path.

00:07:38.000 And that's what we're...

00:07:39.860 That's when you talked about before, don't we kind of commonly agree?

00:07:45.020 And you say, don't we kind of...

00:07:46.100 I think we commonly do, but they've been nudged more than maybe we've been nudged.

00:07:51.140 And so there are people that may not be that far from us, but they've been nudged, and that dividing wall has been built between us.

00:07:57.320 And when we look at the issue with guns, we see what's happening here.

00:08:04.680 And people tend to forget Venezuelans had guns up until 2012.

00:08:09.280 They took the guns from the citizens in 2012.

00:08:12.560 That's when you can get away with literally murder.

00:08:17.400 As we record this, Maduro is still in.

00:08:25.320 He had just taken Jorge Ramos as a reporter and held him captive.

00:08:35.520 Reports are showing that things are getting much, much worse there.

00:08:40.700 Russia is now saying we're going to go to war in Venezuela.

00:08:45.420 America is going to go to war in Venezuela.

00:08:49.880 Nobody is reporting the fact that Chinese have a warship off the coast of Venezuela right next to ours.

00:08:57.140 What's happening in Venezuela, do you think?

00:09:01.520 Well, we've sent in aid, right?

00:09:03.380 And the Western nations have sent in aid, and they shot people trying to get it.

00:09:08.500 We're seeing the natural result of a true socialist revolution.

00:09:15.280 It looks good for a while, and everybody celebrated it.

00:09:18.380 And you had Michael Moore, and everybody came out and said, look at how good this is.

00:09:22.220 And then you run out of other people's money.

00:09:25.700 They nationalized stuff.

00:09:27.460 They ran out.

00:09:28.200 I mean, it's the natural outcome of a socialist revolution.

00:09:31.460 It has to always go to dictatorship, and it ends with the haves and the have-nots,

00:09:35.780 the worst of which is where you have Hugo Chavez's daughter sporting around the world with $3 or $4 billion.

00:09:45.540 How does a communist dictator's daughter inherit $3 to $4 billion?

00:09:49.620 How does a bus driver?

00:09:50.660 A bus driver, that's what people loved about Maduro.

00:09:54.140 He was one of the people.

00:09:55.160 He was a bus driver.

00:09:55.980 He wasn't rich.

00:09:57.160 Now look at him.

00:09:58.500 Now look at him.

00:09:59.360 They're flying bricks of gold that he claims are his out of the country.

00:10:11.240 What happens?

00:10:12.980 Well, let's start here.

00:10:15.640 The president wanted to build a wall, says it's a national emergency.

00:10:20.660 It's no more of a national emergency today than it was 10 years ago.

00:10:25.940 However, I think on the horizon, I don't know.

00:10:29.300 Are you following what's happening in Mexico with the oil pipelines and how they shut it down,

00:10:36.220 and now gas lines are everywhere?

00:10:39.120 They shut down the pipeline and said, we're going to start trucking everything.

00:10:43.680 Trucking isn't, it's not effective, at least the way, you know, going back to that.

00:10:50.420 That's why they built that pipeline.

00:10:51.840 Well, that's a terribly inefficient way to move.

00:10:53.800 Horrible.

00:10:54.400 It's horrible.

00:10:55.020 And there's a shortage of truck drivers in the West anyway.

00:10:57.700 So you've got all these problems down in Mexico just from that one thing.

00:11:03.700 You have a president who will not recognize anyone but Maduro.

00:11:11.820 He's one of the few of Western countries that won't recognize him outside of Cuba.

00:11:21.040 If he is instituting the policies that, you know, Chavez or Maduro were, it's already a thugocracy.

00:11:32.020 Is it that hard for people to think maybe we would have a huge Colombian-style crisis on our hands, on our border?

00:11:43.880 You know, this is as they're on the precipice of potential economic greatness as a nation,

00:11:49.900 because the Mexican people are phenomenal, smart, hardworking people,

00:11:54.320 and China is collapsing as the low-cost producer, we have an agreement with Mexico.

00:12:01.140 They could be the next producer, manufacturer, or whatever for the United States, the wages and so forth.

00:12:07.880 They're on the precipice of this.

00:12:09.220 And yet they have, from the thugocracy, from the drug cartel control,

00:12:15.520 from the fact that we don't have a wall and we have porous and open borders.

00:12:20.960 I mean, if we had a wall, Mexico would benefit because the drug cartels wouldn't get the massive amounts of money.

00:12:27.440 They're on the precipice of something really great if they could get their act together.

00:12:32.820 That's the, I mean, that's where we are at so many areas of life.

00:12:36.960 It could be really great or really terrible.

00:12:46.000 I'm talking with Kevin Freeman, host of Blaze TV's Economic War Room.

00:12:50.540 In this part, we discuss publishers versus platforms and how to solve the Facebook problem.

00:12:58.040 Let's take a break from the doom and gloom and go to the really good stuff.

00:13:01.460 What, explain to people, I don't think people understand.

00:13:03.860 When I say 2030, you will not recognize life as we know it.

00:13:10.540 It's going to be completely different just from technology and what it's going to do for disease and health care,

00:13:20.200 all the good things that are coming.

00:13:22.980 Tell me what you see as good things that are possible now if we would just get our crap together.

00:13:28.760 Well, science is expanding.

00:13:31.760 I'm a board member of a biotechnology company that's working on liver disease, and we've completed a phase two trial.

00:13:40.180 Over the next 10 years, our health care can improve dramatically from things that we're learning and continuing to advance in science.

00:13:48.220 If we can, as a nation, get our act together on the free speech issue, which I think is maybe the most important one.

00:13:56.020 And by the way, there is a, there is a, Louie Gohmert came in the Economic War Room and gave it a real good suggestion.

00:14:02.060 He's got a bill that would, I think, solve the Facebook problem and Facebook control problem.

00:14:07.040 What is it?

00:14:07.440 Basically, we gave Facebook and all social media a pass and said, by congressional mandate, you all are not going to be subject to lawsuits because you're just an interplay of, you're like a telephone company.

00:14:24.420 And people pick up the phone and they call and we can't hold you accountable for what people say on your phone.

00:14:30.280 They violated that.

00:14:32.020 So, if you want to be the phone company and not be subject to suit from people that are on here, then fine.

00:14:40.660 But you can't throttle, you can't use the algorithms, you can't do.

00:14:44.340 It's the platform versus publisher.

00:14:47.400 I know this because of the blaze.

00:14:50.440 I'm a publisher, meaning I have a say who's on and off the platform.

00:14:56.160 I have a say on we're going to publish this, we're not going to publish this.

00:15:00.220 So, I'm held responsible.

00:15:01.800 Somebody, somebody sues us because someone is making the decision.

00:15:06.140 But Google, YouTube, Facebook, all of them said, no, no, no, we're a platform.

00:15:11.960 We're not going to have a say.

00:15:13.440 It's run by the people.

00:15:15.420 And now they're having a say.

00:15:17.320 But they're editorial.

00:15:18.480 Correct.

00:15:19.200 So, now they're getting the protection from the government in places that no one should have protection from the government unless you are completely Switzerland.

00:15:29.480 You are neutral on what is being published.

00:15:34.100 Oh, well, it's being being used over here for bad things.

00:15:38.140 Oh, well, I'm a platform.

00:15:40.760 So, he's introducing a bill to stop this?

00:15:43.020 He is.

00:15:44.180 If you are a publisher and not a platform, if you're doing the editorial and the throttling, then you have no government protections from suit.

00:15:55.060 I think it's a brilliant answer.

00:15:56.860 If we can get that adopted, then free speech happens.

00:16:00.040 That changes election trajectory.

00:16:01.020 It changes so many things.

00:16:03.220 And that which we have in common can be brought back together.

00:16:06.520 If we don't adopt something like that, we'll just continue the balkanization.

00:16:10.680 And I keep looking at the things that we agree on.

00:16:13.700 There's so much.

00:16:14.900 There's so much that we agree on.

00:16:16.420 And yet, we're not allowed to agree on it.

00:16:18.980 For instance, the border.

00:16:20.580 I don't want an entire wall across the whole border.

00:16:23.940 I want it where it makes sense.

00:16:26.220 And I want, you know, sensors or surveillance of some sort where that makes sense.

00:16:32.060 You don't just put a wall up across the whole border.

00:16:34.980 But it's got to make sense.

00:16:37.840 And the left just will not give in.

00:16:44.280 They're just telling us this is hyperbole.

00:16:47.660 This is ridiculous.

00:16:49.260 Just looking at the opioid deaths, our heroin and low-grade opioid come across the border.

00:16:58.480 The high-grade opioids come from China.

00:17:01.680 Yeah, China.

00:17:03.600 And as I was thinking about that the other day, I realized, wait a minute.

00:17:09.740 Isn't that what the opium wars were about with England and China?

00:17:14.220 Didn't the English know that if they went to India and bought up a bunch of opium and sold it across their border, it would weaken them from the inside?

00:17:27.220 China knew what was happening and said to England, stop doing this to us.

00:17:31.640 But that's what they were doing.

00:17:32.900 Isn't that what China's doing to us right now?

00:17:35.360 Yeah.

00:17:35.860 The whole thing.

00:17:37.020 But keep in mind, while they're doing it, we're also passing marijuana laws.

00:17:43.800 You can use whatever you want.

00:17:45.100 So this is a serious problem.

00:17:47.540 It's an addiction problem that our nation has.

00:17:50.780 And it is a, I want to tune out and not tune in.

00:17:55.380 We're trying to fill that emptiness or whatever with whether it's fentanyl or opioids or marijuana or whatever.

00:18:03.760 It's a problem.

00:18:04.900 So we, on the border thing, though, we just had a guest in.

00:18:10.400 His name is Phil Midkiff.

00:18:11.340 He's got Blue Servo.

00:18:12.800 And we opened the show on Economic Forum.

00:18:15.640 We opened with the idea that 10 years ago, the Democrats, we, Paul Krugman and Barack Obama, we had quotes.

00:18:22.400 You know, you've seen the YouTubes on them where they were stronger on the border than they are today.

00:18:27.980 It's all political.

00:18:28.820 Again, I think that problem is solved if you allow a free and fair exchange of speech.

00:18:35.200 I think people will see the logic and see and understand it.

00:18:38.460 So I think Gohmert's solution has an immigration implication, has an implication for just about every issue we face.

00:18:46.180 To get every episode of the Glenn Beck podcast, just subscribe on iTunes, Google Play or wherever you download your podcast.

00:18:54.080 One of my goals on the Glenn Beck podcast is to have in-depth conversations with people that I don't necessarily agree with.

00:19:03.720 My guest this half hour, Greg Lukianoff, is probably somebody that maybe I disagree here and there on things.

00:19:11.060 But we have strong common ground and an alarm about the massive attack on free speech that is plaguing the nation.

00:19:20.000 Lukianoff is the president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education.

00:19:24.480 And last year, he co-wrote a New York Times bestselling book with Jonathan Haidt called The Coddling of the American Mind.

00:19:33.480 How good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure.

00:19:39.340 For more of my conversation with Greg, you can listen to the full podcast at glennbeck.com.

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00:19:52.760 For now, let's get to the boogeyman of hate speech, Google and the right to be forgotten.

00:20:00.740 My conversation with Greg Lukianoff.

00:20:04.060 You know, I obviously was not not for Barack Obama and I get into people on the right are like, how could you possibly say this?

00:20:13.280 Barack Obama made me a better man.

00:20:15.400 He absolutely made me a better man.

00:20:18.220 And I am glad in some ways that Barack Obama was there because he threw me up against the wall and challenged what I thought I knew.

00:20:32.560 I had to.

00:20:34.320 I learned about anti-colonialism.

00:20:37.680 I learned about the progressive era.

00:20:39.820 I learned about the Constitution deeply.

00:20:43.220 I've learned so much.

00:20:46.800 Same with Donald Trump.

00:20:48.660 You know, we can either look at this as a bad experience or a good experience that you learn from.

00:20:54.400 You know, learn from it.

00:20:56.760 Learn from it.

00:20:58.020 But are we?

00:20:59.300 Yeah.

00:20:59.460 I mean, I have a very expansive, you know, view of freedom of speech where it comes down very simply to it's important to know what people really think, period.

00:21:10.820 And and I say this and people, you know, they're kind of like, but because a lot of the way people try to challenge freedom of speech is by saying, well, what if they have terrible ideas?

00:21:19.680 It's like, do you think you're safer for not knowing those terrible ideas?

00:21:23.320 Do you think that?

00:21:24.760 And also, I'd want to live in my kids where we're living next door to somebody who is a real racist.

00:21:29.860 I don't want him saying all the politically correct things.

00:21:32.860 I want him.

00:21:33.820 I want my son going over there and coming.

00:21:36.020 Dad, dad, you know, he was just saying, good, great.

00:21:40.380 We know who he is.

00:21:42.040 Don't go there anymore.

00:21:43.540 You know what I mean?

00:21:44.020 I talk about censorship as being a little, a little blue, but like taking Xanax for syphilis, where essentially you're just taking something that makes you feel better, but you're just getting sicker by the minute.

00:21:55.140 And it takes, you know, it takes a little bit of like the looking at things a little bit more sometimes like an anthropologist.

00:22:01.540 Oh, yeah.

00:22:01.900 So I went on a Smirconish show and I was and I was there to talk about why to talk about the disinvitation of Steve Bannon from the New Yorker Festival.

00:22:11.340 Um, and, uh, you know, a lot of celebrities got up in arms that they were going to do an interview with, with, with Steve Bannon at the New Yorker Festival of Ideas.

00:22:21.560 And I was there at a festival of what?

00:22:23.320 Of ideas.

00:22:24.040 Okay.

00:22:24.420 Yeah.

00:22:24.820 Ideas.

00:22:25.260 And I, and I was there, you know, of course with my first amendment technical hat on, I'm like, well, of course the New Yorker can invite whomever it wants.

00:22:31.320 But with my marketplace of ideas, sort of like knowing what people really think hat on, I was like, okay.

00:22:37.880 And I, and then the responses I got on Twitter were the funniest.

00:22:41.420 People were like, so you're saying you would have wanted to hear an interview with someone from ISIS.

00:22:44.520 And I'm like, I would love to hear it.

00:22:47.420 It would be one of the most interesting interviews you can imagine.

00:22:50.240 I, you know, you stare into the face of evil.

00:22:51.920 That's great.

00:22:52.440 And then the other stream that people were going for was, but now he's irrelevant.

00:22:56.420 And I'm like, he was this arguably the second most powerful person in the white house.

00:23:02.620 Like two weeks ago.

00:23:04.440 You're kidding.

00:23:05.420 And now, and now he's talking to all these groups in Europe.

00:23:07.360 So it is this, you know, we, we talk about this, um, uh, me and Pamela Pratsky.

00:23:13.620 She, she's a, she was our chief researcher for the book and John, we talk about, uh, moral pollution a lot.

00:23:18.700 Basically just the idea that once you get super tribal, um, it becomes this much more kind of superstitious idea that if I'm in the presence of, if I shake the hands of, if I'm anywhere near, you know, the bad, uh, the, the bad man, it's somehow like, it's going to rub off on you like some kind of evil pox.

00:23:37.000 I think one of the most vile voices out there is Louis Farrakhan.

00:23:42.280 I'm glad I can hear exactly what Louis Farrakhan is saying.

00:23:46.000 You know, I don't want him silenced.

00:23:47.500 You know, you could invite him to be here by Mitzvah and you'd be like, Oh my God.

00:23:50.780 Yeah.

00:23:51.460 I thought you were a great guy.

00:23:52.680 I had no idea.

00:23:53.640 Right.

00:23:54.640 Um, are you, how, how concerned, let me just take a quick offshoot here.

00:23:59.220 Yep.

00:23:59.340 Um, how concerned are you about the growth of, of Google with its algorithms now being taught, uh, what to recognize hate speech?

00:24:13.900 Yeah.

00:24:14.080 How, I mean, what hate speech is at first, I don't believe in hate speech, but what hate speech is to one person is not hate speech to the other person.

00:24:22.880 Right.

00:24:24.320 What are you concerned about?

00:24:26.080 Oh yeah.

00:24:26.580 Loss.

00:24:27.020 I mean, the colossal overnight loss of, it would call it a digital ghettoization.

00:24:33.720 Yeah.

00:24:34.600 Um, hate speech has always been kind of the boogeyman that you have to deal with when you're dealing with free speech on campus.

00:24:39.600 And the first thing you have to explain is there's a whole generation of students who largely believe that hate speech is protected.

00:24:46.760 Uh, sorry, it's unprotected speech.

00:24:48.720 Um, they think it's a special category of unprotected speech and that's just not true.

00:24:52.840 Um, it's too vague, it's too broad.

00:24:54.820 It wouldn't fit any of the first amendment analyses, but then you have, uh, or institutions like Google, you know, who I've always had a great deal of respect for.

00:25:03.600 But then you look at cases like what happened to James Damore, you know, who wrote something that was, uh, you know, I think height wrote about it saying it was, you know, it wasn't per wasn't perfectly right on everything, but it was, it was also a not dismissive.

00:25:16.720 It was a dispassionate, you know, argument of what, what, what the stats say about gender differences, including preference for some, for some reason, like the taboo around saying that men and women might actually be drawn to different fields.

00:25:28.560 It's like, is that really the end of the world?

00:25:31.220 But, but, but anyway, but yeah, the idea of, um, have a handful of institutions having so much power over what we can read and what we, um, uh, scares me.

00:25:43.280 Uh, and if they start actually policing hate speech, uh, I get worried that the work that I do where we're, you know, uh, and, and, and I always have to be clear 99 out of a hundred cases that we're dealing with are more like the guy getting in trouble for reading a book.

00:25:58.100 Or for, um, you know, cracking a joke that, that, um, that anybody off campus would be like, I don't even understand what was, what was offensive, uh, about that is going to get in trouble.

00:26:09.320 Meanwhile, though, uh, I do have some sympathy for Google and for Facebook because they're being pushed towards this, um, by some really idiotic laws coming out of the European union.

00:26:20.300 Do you know about this whole right to be forgotten thing, right?

00:26:23.360 Uh, right.

00:26:24.500 Right to be forgotten.

00:26:25.520 Forgotten.

00:26:26.080 Yeah.

00:26:26.380 Is this like transgender naming?

00:26:28.900 No, no, no.

00:26:29.700 Okay.

00:26:29.980 This is much, much worse than that.

00:26:32.200 That it forgot.

00:26:33.300 The European, uh, uh, one of the European courts, um, uh, issued a decision talking about you people, individuals have a right to be forgotten.

00:26:43.280 And, uh, the, uh, there was a law passed that tried to, um, uh, to make this law controlling law for the entire EU that put it on, uh, Google.

00:26:53.400 Uh, if someone came to you and said, uh, if someone came to you and said that article about me is old and irrelevant, um, so you have to remove it or face a huge fine.

00:27:01.620 Um, yeah, face a huge fine unless Google for some reason decides to actually put up a fight to keep it.

00:27:08.460 So it's like, it's all downside for Google, um, subsequent decisions say that it can't just be for Google Europe.

00:27:15.920 It has to be for Google for the entire world.

00:27:17.920 And it's come from this kind of ridiculous idea that, you know, like if, you know, so what, you know, I, so what if I, uh, I murdered someone 20 years ago, I have a right to be forgotten that to be forgotten.

00:27:29.120 And it's just so, it's, um, among numerous dunderheaded laws that I see coming out, uh, coming out of Europe that, uh, that are actually having spillover effects to the whole rest of the world.

00:27:40.700 So in some ways, you know, I am worried about the internal politics of Google, but I'm also worried about how, um, different, you know, governments are sort of taking advantage of every, uh, opportunity to limit them.

00:27:51.420 Um, that's the thing I love about our constitution.

00:27:55.020 Yeah.

00:27:55.840 It doesn't, you don't have a right to be forgotten.

00:27:58.160 Yep.

00:27:58.860 You know, 18th amendment is, is it the 18th was prohibition?

00:28:03.320 No.

00:28:03.820 Yeah.

00:28:04.180 18 is still there.

00:28:05.620 Yep.

00:28:05.980 The 21st repeals it.

00:28:08.640 Yep.

00:28:08.980 But that scar is still there.

00:28:10.820 So you learn, you know, perhaps you read it all and you go, Hey, we did that once before.

00:28:15.540 Yeah.

00:28:16.780 Um, let me take, let's, let's, let's go through the three bad ideas.

00:28:20.540 Oh, sure.

00:28:21.040 Sure.

00:28:21.260 Yeah.

00:28:21.480 Okay.

00:28:22.160 Yeah.

00:28:22.600 Uh, so, uh, basically there was a certain point where we were studying.

00:28:26.260 I'm sorry.

00:28:26.920 I'm so, we're so riddled with ADD.

00:28:28.580 I just keep looking at your shirt and something came to me that I've never thought before.

00:28:32.560 And I feel like the dumbest man in, on the planet, unless you didn't mean this.

00:28:36.860 What?

00:28:37.240 You were talking and I thought, well, the argument that I keep hearing on free speech is, well,

00:28:42.860 you can still yell fire.

00:28:44.420 You can't yell fire.

00:28:45.820 And is that what that, did that play a role in that at all?

00:28:49.500 I wasn't there for the original deciding of the name, but, but, uh, both of the founders

00:28:53.380 bring it up all the time.

00:28:54.560 Um, they, I think they, I think it might've occurred 15 seconds after they, because one

00:29:00.500 of the, one of the founders is Harvey Silverglate, who's a big first amendment attorney and every

00:29:05.080 first amendment attorney in the, in the whole country.

00:29:07.320 Every time you say, you can't shout fire in a crowded theater, we're like, Oh God, that

00:29:12.340 again, like it's answer it.

00:29:14.020 So everybody knows how to answer that question the right way.

00:29:16.740 Oh, the problem is it takes like an hour and a half to explain all the reasons why that's

00:29:20.240 wrong.

00:29:21.140 Uh, go, go, go, go to Popat, go, go, go to Popat's website.

00:29:26.220 Um, he has videos on why this is so wrong.

00:29:28.680 There's like 15 different reasons why.

00:29:30.260 And also people misquote it.

00:29:31.720 It's falsely shouting fire.

00:29:33.260 It's before Oliver Wendell Holmes became good on freedom of speech.

00:29:36.760 Um, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead, shouted fire in a crowded theater every single

00:29:41.280 night out of tens of thousands of, it has no legal meaning other than generally for people

00:29:46.160 to show that they don't actually know the law very well.

00:29:48.100 That's great.

00:29:48.520 That's great.

00:29:49.720 So yeah, but it's, it's, it's amazing.

00:29:51.480 Like we, we, we joke that every time, uh, every time someone invokes that a first amendment,

00:29:55.780 uh, lawyer dies somewhere.

00:29:59.180 Every time a bell rings, an angel get its wings.

00:30:04.440 You're listening to just a little part of my podcast conversation with Greg Lukianoff.

00:30:09.100 He is the coauthor of the New York bestselling, uh, book called the coddling of the American

00:30:14.400 mind.

00:30:15.500 In this segment, Lukianoff walks us through three of the worst possible pieces of advice

00:30:20.820 that you could give to younger generations.

00:30:24.300 Okay.

00:30:24.780 So three bad ideas, three bad ideas.

00:30:26.880 So part of the idea of the book, um, was, it was to kind of recreate sort of what we did

00:30:31.420 in the original article.

00:30:32.180 Um, and basically saying it's as if we are giving a generation of people of, of kids of

00:30:39.700 younger people, the worst possible advice you could ever imagine.

00:30:42.940 So we talk, we, we create this situation of going up to this, you know, supposedly wise

00:30:47.320 man.

00:30:48.060 Um, and he tells us three, uh, three pieces of what he thinks are wisdom.

00:30:53.380 Um, what doesn't kill you makes you weaker.

00:30:55.280 Always trust your feelings and life is a battle between good people and evil people.

00:31:01.580 And we, we do this as kind of a joke in the beginning of it.

00:31:04.200 And we have, it's me and John going, that's like, those are like the worst ideas in our

00:31:09.620 entire life.

00:31:10.540 And so the first one, what does it kill you makes you weaker is obviously a play on, on

00:31:14.080 Nietzsche.

00:31:14.500 What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

00:31:15.940 And of course we, we, we recognize it's like, yes, there are things that are short of

00:31:19.340 killing you that can still, you know, leave you in worse shape.

00:31:22.000 But, but it stands for a great truth, um, which is, you know, both.

00:31:27.060 So we tried to make all the great untruths, um, things that were both, uh, uh, bad in terms

00:31:32.640 of, uh, modern psychology, what modern psychology would tell you and bad in terms of, uh, resilient

00:31:37.640 ancient wisdom, which is surprisingly coherent on a number of issues.

00:31:41.020 One of them is that people need challenge.

00:31:43.060 Um, you're going to see that in practically every culture that, uh, it would be absurd to

00:31:47.500 say people don't need challenge.

00:31:48.800 Um, but, uh, what we see on campuses that we dub safety ism is, and also for parents

00:31:56.660 these days, you know, K through 12, um, this idea that kind of like, there's no limit to

00:32:03.220 how safe you can be.

00:32:04.340 And they also expand that into that weird kind of definition of safety that means like emotionally

00:32:09.380 unperturbed.

00:32:10.360 Right.

00:32:10.500 So it, it, it, it, the concept creeps in two different directions that there's no amount

00:32:15.040 of physical safety that's, that's too much, or it comes with no bad side.

00:32:18.720 And by the way, let's add an emotional safety too.

00:32:21.840 And of course, you know, what we talk about in the book is Nassim Taleb's idea of anti-fragility.

00:32:27.040 Human beings aren't, uh, we're not fragile and we're not merely resilient.

00:32:32.900 We're actually creatures that need stressors.

00:32:35.840 We need to be challenged or we atrophy and die, or we grow healthy and strong.

00:32:40.820 Uh, you know, probably best represented by, you know, astronauts.

00:32:44.120 If you send them up to send them up into no gravity, their joints start decaying really

00:32:48.900 quickly.

00:32:49.860 Um, but on the other hand, you know, if you, if you run every day and you lift a little

00:32:54.160 bit of weight, it's amazing how much, how much you can improve.

00:32:56.520 I think it's, I think it's interesting.

00:32:58.360 They're doing studies now on what, what the, what they think the effects will be on living

00:33:03.000 on Mars.

00:33:03.720 Yeah.

00:33:04.180 And they believe that after, I think it's 20 years of living on Mars, that you actually

00:33:10.400 won't be able to mate with an earthling because you will no longer be technically what we call

00:33:18.920 human.

00:33:19.480 Wow.

00:33:20.040 So you're, so you actually, you're changing.

00:33:22.660 Uh huh.

00:33:23.300 And I think it's interesting that part of being human is having the pull and the drag

00:33:32.700 on you.

00:33:33.520 Absolutely.

00:33:34.680 And so what we see is with this obsession of safety is that there wasn't really meaningful

00:33:39.160 pushback saying that, listen, we can take this too far.

00:33:41.900 It can actually be harmful.

00:33:43.720 Um, but of course it can be harmful.

00:33:45.660 Uh, it's just the same way we tell people, you know, um, you don't overcome phobias by,

00:33:50.260 uh, you know, bubble wrapping the world from your phobia.

00:33:53.120 Right.

00:33:53.600 Um, so that's great truth.

00:33:54.560 And number one, the second one I actually like because it sounds so darn romantic, um,

00:33:59.400 which is, uh, follow your feelings, Luke.

00:34:01.940 Your feelings are always right.

00:34:03.040 Um, and every, you know, uh, a lot of, not every, um, but you know, movies and sci-fi and

00:34:09.620 a lot of stuff that I love does a lot of times have a, have this idea of your feelings are

00:34:13.420 always right.

00:34:13.960 And in one sense, it is correct to say that your feelings are always telling you something

00:34:19.540 just, it's not always what you think it is.

00:34:22.020 Um, Susan David, uh, um, has this great quote where she, it used to take me paragraphs to

00:34:27.300 say that, you know, you run into that where you feel like you took a book to explain something

00:34:31.740 and someone gets it down to like a pithy phrase.

00:34:33.760 She says, feelings are information, not directions.

00:34:37.520 Um, why you're angry, why you're jealous, why you're, uh, why you're guilty without

00:34:43.740 interrogating those things.

00:34:44.940 We could be way off base on, on where they're actually coming from and what they're trying

00:34:48.520 to tell us.

00:34:49.980 This is the Glenn Beck program.

00:34:52.680 What is the creepy line quote unquote, and why does it matter?

00:34:58.760 Find out in one minute.

00:35:00.500 My conversation with Peter Schweitzer.

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00:35:46.960 For now, here's a piece of my conversation with Peter Schweitzer.

00:35:50.360 I did a show recently on the difference between disinformation and misinformation.

00:35:59.000 Fascinating topic.

00:36:00.040 Right.

00:36:00.400 Yeah.

00:36:01.140 Can you explain the difference between the two?

00:36:03.080 I mean, one is, one, the disinformation is when it is planted into what you think is a

00:36:12.580 credible source.

00:36:13.920 Right.

00:36:14.480 Okay.

00:36:14.780 If it comes from Pravda, you're like, oh, it's Pravda.

00:36:17.500 But if it comes from the New York Times, then it's disinformation.

00:36:25.260 In a way, Google is engaged and Facebook, knowingly or not, in a disinformation campaign.

00:36:37.620 Yes.

00:36:38.020 I think that you could certainly classify that.

00:36:40.680 And I think the issue becomes, why are they doing this and how are they doing this?

00:36:46.640 You asked earlier about Zuckerberg and your interaction with him.

00:36:50.280 I don't know that Mark Zuckerberg, I'm not suggesting that Mark Zuckerberg is sitting

00:36:54.260 around saying, how can we deal with conservatives on Facebook?

00:36:57.860 I don't think so either.

00:36:58.200 But the problem is, there are lots of people employed by Facebook who, maybe they're in

00:37:04.300 their mid-20s.

00:37:05.680 Maybe they were woke on campus.

00:37:08.640 And they are now involved in the news feed.

00:37:12.120 I mean, we had a Facebook employee who was involved with their trending section that came

00:37:17.520 out a couple of years ago who said, oh, yeah, we sunk conservative stories and we boosted

00:37:22.100 liberal stories.

00:37:22.860 So, I don't think it's a question of the executives of these companies, you know, in kind of a

00:37:30.160 James Bond villain moment saying, here's how we're going to rule the universe.

00:37:34.700 I think it's a question of they've created these powerful companies and they've created

00:37:38.940 a culture within these companies that for all the talk of tolerance is actually very intolerant.

00:37:45.840 And it reflects in the product that they are producing.

00:37:48.820 So, did you touch on at all, I have a document from a meeting with Media Matters on Inauguration

00:38:00.200 Day.

00:38:01.080 It was a meeting that happened with far left donors with Media Matters on the election

00:38:06.900 day in Florida.

00:38:08.020 Not on election day, on Inauguration Day.

00:38:11.180 And they said, here's where we went wrong and here's what we're going to do.

00:38:16.700 And it talks in that document about how they are going to go to Facebook and Google and

00:38:27.800 they are going to advise.

00:38:30.120 Right.

00:38:30.720 Okay.

00:38:30.960 Right.

00:38:31.580 And in that document, it says, we have already been given access to all of the raw data in

00:38:42.460 real time.

00:38:44.400 Yeah.

00:38:46.560 Peter, I don't think they'd give that to me or any organization that I know of.

00:38:51.840 No, they would not.

00:38:53.160 They would not.

00:38:53.720 And this is the problem.

00:38:55.180 I mean, the problem is the way that they are trying to deal with this is they're like,

00:38:59.340 you know, we're being criticized by conservatives.

00:39:01.780 So, we'll go meet with conservatives.

00:39:03.420 I'm not saying that's a bad thing, by the way.

00:39:05.560 I think that's a good thing.

00:39:06.680 But that's not really the issue.

00:39:09.300 The issue is not, you know, saying nice words.

00:39:12.200 The fundamental issue comes down to, you know, what is this company doing?

00:39:16.600 And the whole debate now that's arisen about fake news, I think, is a huge problem because

00:39:23.200 it's allowing essentially these liberal groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center and Media

00:39:28.660 Matters to essentially say to Facebook and Google, no, no, no.

00:39:32.240 We want you to engage in more censorship.

00:39:34.840 We want you to classify.

00:39:36.880 And Facebook would respond, well, but we have others.

00:39:41.400 We have, I don't remember if it's Heritage Foundation, but we have others that are doing

00:39:45.840 it on the right.

00:39:46.940 I don't want either side.

00:39:49.080 That's exactly right.

00:39:49.640 I don't want either side shut up.

00:39:51.220 Yeah.

00:39:51.500 It's the problem that develops is that nasty word, cronyism.

00:39:56.140 And cronyism is a problem where you give concentrated power or you give special access or favors

00:40:03.320 to certain people, and invariably, it's going to be misused.

00:40:07.060 And this is really the question, I guess, Glenn, is does Facebook and does Google so much distrust

00:40:15.000 the American people that they believe the American people are incapable of looking at a news story

00:40:21.580 and saying, that's totally yes, I'm not buying that.

00:40:25.100 Um, and, and, and they don't, they don't have confidence in the American people to do that.

00:40:30.080 They feel like they have to somehow be the arbitrators and they don't.

00:40:35.600 So here's, let's be clear.

00:40:38.880 Um, just new study came out.

00:40:41.340 Goldfish, goldfish have an attention span of nine seconds.

00:40:47.100 Americans have seven seconds.

00:40:52.160 Okay.

00:40:52.920 So let's be very clear.

00:40:56.060 We're not doing our job.

00:40:57.640 Right.

00:40:57.920 Okay.

00:40:58.280 Right.

00:40:58.660 Um, and that has changed dramatically because of Facebook and all of the interaction that

00:41:04.520 we do.

00:41:04.920 Yeah.

00:41:05.180 However, because I was just asked this question, um, well, don't they have a responsibility?

00:41:12.240 Shouldn't they be?

00:41:13.220 No, they have a responsibility to be transparent and be a platform.

00:41:18.260 Correct.

00:41:18.680 Platform.

00:41:19.400 Correct.

00:41:19.660 I don't believe that you should censor anyone on a platform, right?

00:41:25.440 It's the battlefield of ideas to say that now, what people will say is, well, that's

00:41:32.800 crazy.

00:41:33.460 Cause there's a lot of crazy people.

00:41:35.380 Yeah, there are, there are, yeah.

00:41:37.740 Thomas Jefferson said, believe the people, trust the people.

00:41:42.220 Right.

00:41:42.580 Okay.

00:41:42.800 The key to that sentence was comma, they will usually get it wrong, but eventually they'll

00:41:54.020 get it right, right, right.

00:41:55.680 Exactly.

00:41:56.240 So we're going through this period right now.

00:41:58.680 The worst thing we can do is put a babysitter on top of us forever.

00:42:04.140 Yes.

00:42:04.500 We have to learn fire is hot.

00:42:08.500 Yes.

00:42:09.100 No, you're exactly right.

00:42:10.160 And this is, is further evidence that I think they don't really understand the dynamics

00:42:16.840 at work in the country today.

00:42:18.100 The dynamic at work in the country today is a rejection of sort of this elite view of

00:42:24.780 how society should be organized.

00:42:26.640 It's one of the reasons why you have in financial markets, conservatives, people on the left don't

00:42:33.680 trust the large banks.

00:42:34.820 They don't trust wall street.

00:42:36.020 It's a rejection of that.

00:42:37.140 It's the same reason conservatives, liberals, independents have a distrust of Washington,

00:42:43.620 D.C.

00:42:44.120 It's not because they want tax policy to be slightly different.

00:42:47.480 It's they don't fundamentally trust them to reflect their interests and to look out for

00:42:53.040 them.

00:42:53.360 And they also know that elites generally look down upon them.

00:42:56.900 So, you know, that my, my challenge to Silicon Valley is for all their talk of egalitarianism,

00:43:02.880 for all their talk about, we love democracy and everybody having a voice.

00:43:07.820 Do you really, do you really?

00:43:10.380 I mean, the point is we all remember as a kid, I grew up outside of Seattle, Washington.

00:43:14.720 And I remember going down to a place called pioneer square.

00:43:17.580 You probably went there too.

00:43:18.780 Yep.

00:43:19.060 There were all kinds of people wandering around saying strange things.

00:43:22.640 Well, those people today may have blog sites and they're going to say some crazy stuff.

00:43:27.900 I didn't pay a lot of attention back then.

00:43:30.240 I'm not paying a lot of attention now.

00:43:31.960 And I have enough trust that most people aren't going to pay a lot of attention to them.

00:43:37.580 And, and that's, I think what we have to embrace because otherwise it's, we are going

00:43:42.440 to have intellectual policemen that are trying to tell people, here's what you should think.

00:43:47.440 Here's what you should not think.

00:43:48.860 Not only that, but please don't even look in this direction.

00:43:52.200 You can't even look in this direction.

00:43:53.680 If you look in this direction, it might somehow infect you.

00:43:57.180 It's ridiculous.

00:43:58.200 The battlefield of ideas is such that the best ideas win.

00:44:01.940 And I happen to believe that the ideas, the American founding were the best ideas and they

00:44:07.220 are going to win.

00:44:08.600 And we ought to be confident in that.

00:44:10.080 And the kind of monitoring and everything else honestly goes against almost every single

00:44:18.340 article in the bill of rights.

00:44:21.960 That's right.

00:44:22.260 Almost every single one is violated.

00:44:24.960 Now it's not violated by the government, right?

00:44:27.800 But it is the same principle, especially the bigger they get.

00:44:32.160 Yes.

00:44:32.500 And that, by the way, goes on to what you were saying earlier about Huxley and Orwell, you

00:44:38.260 know, the, the, the, the traditional view is the government was going to use technology

00:44:42.240 to control our lives.

00:44:45.320 It's really corporations.

00:44:46.840 Now I've always, you know, I've always, always made fun of, you know, Blade Runner, the corporation.

00:44:54.780 Please shut up about the corporation.

00:44:56.780 It's the government.

00:44:57.540 No, no, we are now entering the time where the liberal concern about corporations is actually

00:45:06.560 accurate now, you know, and it's weird that they're so in love with Apple and Google because

00:45:12.600 these are the guys you've been warning us about, you know?

00:45:17.440 So let me, let me take you kind of to that Orwell place.

00:45:24.380 But first explain Gmail is free.

00:45:31.540 Google searches are free.

00:45:33.380 Right, right.

00:45:34.180 They are free, but they come at a high price.

00:45:37.060 No, I'm not paying anything.

00:45:38.740 Well, you're not paying anything in terms of monetary.

00:45:41.260 That's true.

00:45:41.900 They're free.

00:45:42.620 But the question is what is going on?

00:45:45.560 Because all these servers, all this capacity is expensive.

00:45:49.880 So what Google is doing is they have a product here.

00:45:53.180 You're not buying it.

00:45:54.400 You are the product.

00:45:55.480 They're selling you.

00:45:56.500 You're selling you and they're selling all kinds of secrets about you.

00:45:59.640 And Gmail is a perfect example of this.

00:46:01.500 I use Gmail up until I started on this project and now I don't use Gmail anymore.

00:46:06.780 And what people have to realize about Gmail is they're scanning every email that comes in.

00:46:12.160 They're scanning it.

00:46:13.160 They know what's in it.

00:46:14.000 And they are scanning every email that you send out.

00:46:18.180 And if you draft an email, you know, you're upset with your cousin about something.

00:46:24.260 You had a debate over Thanksgiving and you thought they were rude.

00:46:27.340 And you said, you know, cousin Chris, I think you're rude and you're terrible and you're this and that.

00:46:31.560 And you say, you know what?

00:46:32.500 That's really kind of nasty.

00:46:33.720 I shouldn't send it.

00:46:34.820 That draft, they're scanning that draft.

00:46:37.080 I want to make it clear.

00:46:38.060 You're not saying the draft that you save and put into drafts.

00:46:42.680 Correct.

00:46:43.080 It's the keystrokes.

00:46:44.540 It's recording the keystrokes.

00:46:46.300 That's correct.

00:46:46.660 Even if you delete all of it, it's still there.

00:46:49.640 Yeah.

00:46:50.140 All right.

00:46:51.320 What's important here is, again, to distinguish when you say they're scanning, it doesn't mean they're reading it.

00:46:59.480 Correct.

00:46:59.840 Okay.

00:47:00.520 And why are they scanning it?

00:47:02.380 Well, they're scanning it because let's say you send an email to your friend, golly, I'm really tired of work.

00:47:09.360 I'd sure love to be on a beach in Mexico right now.

00:47:11.960 They're scanning it because they're scanning, they're looking for beach in Mexico, and you're going to probably see ads on your Google feed for apartments or condos in Mexico.

00:47:23.760 And lo and behold, the next morning, someday you wake up and they say, Mr. Schweitzer, I've already booked two tickets.

00:47:34.220 That's right.

00:47:35.280 Would you like to go to Mexico today?

00:47:37.940 I know you're tired and you've been thinking about it.

00:47:40.640 Right.

00:47:41.180 That's right.

00:47:41.780 And that's where it's headed.

00:47:42.960 And again, there are certain amazing conveniences that come with this.

00:47:47.560 I mean, you use Google Maps.

00:47:49.820 There are all sorts of great benefits to that, to Google search.

00:47:52.660 The thing that people have to keep in mind, though, is it's not a one-way street.

00:47:58.400 It's not just these wonderful, good things they're doing for you.

00:48:03.000 It's the capacity they are developing to do things to you.

00:48:07.280 So when I say that they're scanning your Gmails, it's not that there's a person sitting in Silicon Valley saying, oh, look what Glenn just sent in Gmail.

00:48:16.840 But they have the capacity to do that.

00:48:19.300 Yes.

00:48:19.560 And they have the capacity, if they don't like what you're doing, to shut you off from Gmail.

00:48:24.660 And Dr. Jordan Peterson, we highlight him in the film.

00:48:28.240 That's exactly what happened to him.

00:48:30.200 He's a psychology professor at the University of Toronto.

00:48:33.100 And he took a position against compelled speech, where there was a debate in Toronto about an ordinance that would require you to address somebody by their preferred gender.

00:48:44.580 Peterson's position was, I always address people by their preferred gender, but this is compelled speech.

00:48:50.120 You should not force people to do this.

00:48:52.280 He took this public position.

00:48:53.960 The next day, Glenn, he was shut out of his Gmail account.

00:48:57.280 He was shut out of his YouTube account.

00:48:58.900 Everything Google owned was shut down.

00:49:02.360 Now, you would think, why is this going on?

00:49:04.760 I think probably what happened is somebody connected with Google, maybe mid-level, saw this, you know, is maybe in favor of this policy position and sort of in a juvenile way said, I don't like this guy.

00:49:18.320 We're going to sort of cut him off.

00:49:19.780 But Jordan Peterson lost his Gmail.

00:49:22.620 He lost his Google calendar.

00:49:25.560 The point being, you rely on these products.

00:49:28.140 It's going to give them an enormous capacity over your life.

00:49:32.720 And if they choose to, sometimes in an arbitrary way, they may just shut you out because they don't like the position that you've taken.

00:49:39.960 And the problem is Google does not have a customer service department you can call to say, why did this happen?

00:49:46.460 They have no customer service department.

00:49:48.160 And they make clear, we can choose to do this to you anytime we want.

00:49:52.700 This is the best of Glenn Beck.

00:49:57.100 I'm talking with Peter Swiser, bestselling author and producer of a new documentary called The Creepy Line.

00:50:03.380 If I've been asking the question of everybody who I think is paying attention to Silicon Valley or is involved in Silicon Valley, the answer comes back exactly the same way every time.

00:50:20.420 Because it's been a plea of mine.

00:50:24.740 I'll say to them, this might sound crazy.

00:50:28.760 However, politicians are politicians.

00:50:35.600 Economies are economies.

00:50:37.720 They usually repeat the same mistakes.

00:50:41.640 Okay?

00:50:42.040 Right.

00:50:42.900 We are at an economy that I don't care who's in office.

00:50:48.100 At some point, it's going to crash.

00:50:50.440 It always does.

00:50:51.860 Yeah.

00:50:52.060 We are going to feel real pain.

00:50:54.480 And the longer this one goes, the deeper the pain is going to be.

00:50:58.760 We have politicians that tell us, I'm going to bring those jobs back.

00:51:05.040 Okay.

00:51:06.320 Well, you have people in Silicon Valley right now that are not celebrating a four point whatever unemployment rate.

00:51:14.720 Right.

00:51:15.120 Because their entire job is to figure out how do we have a 100% unemployment rate.

00:51:23.940 Yeah.

00:51:24.460 Because that's the world of the future as they see it.

00:51:27.180 Right.

00:51:27.480 But no one is talking to people about this.

00:51:31.920 Bain Capital said about eight months ago, by 2030, the United States of America will have a 30% unemployment rate permanent.

00:51:43.440 And it will only go up from there because of the things Silicon Valley is doing.

00:51:48.780 So, here's the scenario.

00:51:55.060 People start to lose jobs.

00:51:56.680 This starts to kick in around 2020.

00:51:59.280 People start to lose jobs.

00:52:00.820 They're not coming back.

00:52:02.740 The politicians have to blame somebody.

00:52:06.400 We're going to, you know, I'm going to bring those jobs back.

00:52:09.660 I'm going to bring those jobs back.

00:52:10.900 At some point, the people say, no, those jobs aren't coming back.

00:52:15.100 They have to have another story.

00:52:17.040 It's them.

00:52:18.280 It's the people in Silicon Valley that are taking your livelihood away.

00:52:23.140 They have, they have manipulated you.

00:52:27.200 They have, and it is torches to Silicon Valley.

00:52:31.680 Unless the politician says, how about we work together?

00:52:39.640 That's when Orwell happens.

00:52:45.100 Yeah.

00:52:46.440 Everyone I have said, does that sound crazy?

00:52:51.540 Let's see if they respond the way you respond.

00:52:54.220 Does that sound crazy?

00:52:55.080 No, it sounds very realistic.

00:52:56.420 And if I were a titan of Silicon Valley with sort of their worldview, that's precisely what I would do.

00:53:04.000 And if I was part of what I call the permanent political class in Washington, Republicans or Democrats,

00:53:08.660 doesn't make all that much difference.

00:53:10.440 That's exactly what I would do.

00:53:11.000 That's exactly what I would do.

00:53:12.300 And you will then have this, in a sense, unholy alliance between the political leadership and high tech.

00:53:19.200 And, you know, we know who's going to get the short end of the stick in when those two entities get together.

00:53:24.520 And that's going to be the American people.

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00:53:33.600 Two guys walk into a bar, an atheist and a devout Christian.

00:53:40.540 Now, at this point, you might be thinking, this joke isn't going to be very funny.

00:53:43.960 Or, B, it's probably going to be very insulting and maybe even a little bit hostile.

00:53:49.140 But it was not hostile, and it was fun and funny.

00:53:53.420 My encounter with the Godfather, or as I like to call him, the Gadfather, one of the intellectual dark web's founding members.

00:54:03.600 I'm a puzzlement to many Christians, because I like to go to different services.

00:54:11.320 I like to see how people are worshiping, and I just love it.

00:54:14.400 You should come to our synagogue.

00:54:15.700 I would love it.

00:54:16.640 Arabic Jews.

00:54:18.340 I would love it.

00:54:19.680 That's tribal.

00:54:20.120 Yeah.

00:54:20.440 I love it.

00:54:21.600 That precedes Jesus by a few thousand years.

00:54:23.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:25.860 So, and I love it.

00:54:28.000 I've been all over the world.

00:54:29.920 I've, you know, been in Buddhist temples.

00:54:31.900 Beautiful.

00:54:32.240 I've been in the great synagogue, and went on Shabbat.

00:54:40.400 So, love it.

00:54:41.720 Where I have a problem, and I think we, you probably have the same problem, except in reverse, is how, let me say it this way.

00:54:58.340 I think if we would just stop saying, no, I have the full picture.

00:55:04.900 I have the full picture.

00:55:06.100 Your picture is wrong.

00:55:07.700 And if we would all just shut up and sit our pictures down on the table, they might snap into a puzzle, and we'd see the whole picture.

00:55:16.620 You know what I mean?

00:55:17.040 But we can't do that.

00:55:19.300 For me to be right, you must be wrong.

00:55:22.920 It's a zero-sum game, absolutely.

00:55:24.820 And the people I respect, and I mean, you are the father, the grandfather of the intellectual dark web, or dark intellectual, yeah, dark web.

00:55:36.940 And what I like about that is you don't have to agree on everything.

00:55:45.240 Right.

00:55:45.500 You just have to be cool with other people thinking differently.

00:55:50.080 And as a matter of fact, I think most of the people who are part of that group actually disagree on quite a few very serious, I mean, Sam Harris and I are in perfect disagreement when it comes to Donald Trump.

00:56:02.260 He thinks he's ushering nuclear holocaust.

00:56:04.960 I don't.

00:56:06.660 So there are many, but what we do all share is a commitment to intellectual conversation, a disdain for intrusions against freedom of speech, a disdain for political correctness.

00:56:19.360 So that's sort of the bedrock on which all else can be built.

00:56:23.960 And I want to get into your story, because you're not like this, I don't think.

00:56:28.260 Bill Maher, Sam Harris, they, I mean, they talk about religious people like they are, you know.

00:56:39.100 The scourge.

00:56:39.780 The scourge of the world.

00:56:42.160 And, you know, I happen to agree, I happen to agree with Gandhi.

00:56:48.440 You know, I love this Jesus of yours.

00:56:50.860 I just, I'm not so, such a big fan of his followers.

00:56:54.620 Right.

00:56:55.100 You know, there are good people and bad people in all of it.

00:56:58.740 There are good things that come out of it, bad things that come out of it.

00:57:01.760 I actually know a few good Muslims.

00:57:04.300 Now, they're the first to be killed by radical Islam.

00:57:09.060 Right.

00:57:09.980 But, you know, they say they're Muslim.

00:57:13.040 I believe that they, you know, follow the path of Islam as they define it.

00:57:18.500 Right.

00:57:18.680 And they're great, and they tolerate me, and I tolerate them.

00:57:22.540 Right.

00:57:23.580 There are others, Christians, Jews, atheists, all of them, that just demonize.

00:57:32.000 And that's the thing that sets, I think, sets you apart, at least in our interaction.

00:57:36.820 Yeah.

00:57:37.660 Absolutely.

00:57:38.380 With others.

00:57:38.620 Look, I absolutely don't mind that people are very religious, because I truly appreciate

00:57:44.960 the functional utility of the religious mind.

00:57:49.320 I get that there are endless benefits that come from being a believer.

00:57:54.840 What bothers me is when religion becomes intrusive.

00:57:58.960 You understand what I mean?

00:57:59.860 It could be intrusive in that you better be.

00:58:01.680 The difference between Islam and an Islamist.

00:58:03.900 Right.

00:58:04.860 Although, just to be clear, there is no codified way by which Islam is different from an Islamist.

00:58:13.580 An individual might decide to ignore the 73,000 tenets that are part of Islam.

00:58:19.940 There is no book of Islamism that is distinct from Islam.

00:58:23.940 Correct.

00:58:24.780 It's a lack of a reformation to codify.

00:58:29.960 Exactly right.

00:58:30.600 But there are those who are not Islamists.

00:58:34.380 In that, they don't take seriously all the content of their book.

00:58:38.580 It's not that they're praying to a different book called Gentle, Sweet Islam.

00:58:42.960 Correct.

00:58:43.180 Right?

00:58:44.320 So, from my perspective, and it doesn't have to be as intrusive as when Islam comes in to

00:58:50.400 try to kill everybody else.

00:58:51.420 If you try to make claim as a religious person in science, you're being, in my view, intrusive.

00:58:59.700 Stay in your lane.

00:59:01.200 Right?

00:59:01.560 Don't have the lack of epistemic humility to try to explain why that rock looks like it is

00:59:07.880 four billion years old, but it's really young earth creationism.

00:59:11.680 Now you're being intrusive against the truth.

00:59:14.100 That pisses me off.

00:59:15.120 So, I'm perfectly willing to tolerate, let it live everyone, including the most religious,

00:59:22.760 as long as you don't intrude on other people's rights.

00:59:26.340 But the way I define intrusion...

00:59:28.360 Wait, wait, wait.

00:59:28.900 Yeah.

00:59:29.460 Intrude on other people's rights.

00:59:31.920 Including truth.

00:59:34.260 Right.

00:59:34.860 The example that you used, and you said, stay in your lane.

00:59:41.300 If, for instance, the guy who invented radar, I can't remember his name, but he was a weatherman.

00:59:47.900 Okay.

00:59:48.480 And everybody in England, you know, that was in power, you know, they're very hierarchical.

00:59:55.880 No, you're a weatherman.

00:59:58.400 You're a weatherman.

00:59:58.980 No, I'm telling you this idea will work.

01:00:01.040 Right.

01:00:01.300 So, he created it, he proved that it worked, and then the government stepped in and said,

01:00:06.880 okay, we're going to have real people work on this now.

01:00:09.480 Oh, okay, I get it.

01:00:10.540 I get your analogy.

01:00:11.580 There is...

01:00:12.900 I don't mean stay in your lane in that I'm an elitist, only an intellectual should say this

01:00:18.960 and not a common person.

01:00:20.040 To the contrary, I am a professor of the people, as I always say.

01:00:22.960 Not at all.

01:00:23.600 What I'm saying is, the epistemology of religion does not provide a workable framework for understanding

01:00:32.680 natural laws.

01:00:34.240 That's not its domain.

01:00:35.680 Therefore, it shouldn't pretend that it could contribute to scientific truths.

01:00:40.240 Maybe it can help you understand how to behave or not.

01:00:42.620 We can debate that, and that's fine.

01:00:44.000 Maybe it has a place to play in terms of moral codes, and we can disagree or not with that.

01:00:49.080 But it doesn't...

01:00:50.640 There is no way to study natural mechanisms, either through the epistemology of religion

01:00:56.860 or the epistemology of science.

01:00:58.900 Science is the only game in town when it comes to studying natural phenomena.

01:01:06.160 You're not happy.

01:01:07.100 I think...

01:01:07.340 No, no, no.

01:01:08.040 No, I think I agree with you.

01:01:10.540 The Bible is not a science book.

01:01:13.320 But it does make science claims.

01:01:14.600 It does make very clear scientific claims that are disproven.

01:01:20.540 Anyone...

01:01:21.600 I think any thinking human being will look at the scriptures and say, what were they trying

01:01:31.900 to explain in their language?

01:01:34.580 What were they saying?

01:01:36.820 And you can look at the arc of the story and go, okay, the arc of the story, I get.

01:01:45.800 Did God create in seven days?

01:01:48.200 That's ridiculous.

01:01:49.880 It's ridiculous.

01:01:51.220 Now, you could say, his days are different than my days.

01:01:55.080 Exactly.

01:01:55.480 Fine.

01:01:55.860 That's where the Olympic mental gymnastics start.

01:01:57.900 If you want to say that a book that is written 5,000 years ago, those guys had an idea of...

01:02:08.180 You know what I mean?

01:02:10.660 But Olympic gymnastics or not, you can look and say, okay, well, his days aren't the same

01:02:17.300 as mine, but science will tell me how old this planet is and the Big Bang.

01:02:27.700 I don't have a problem with the Big Bang.

01:02:30.200 Don't know if that's the way it happened.

01:02:32.560 Looks like it, but okay.

01:02:35.320 What I'm concerned about is what caused the Big Bang?

01:02:39.320 What happened a millisecond before the Big Bang?

01:02:42.560 But it's almost the last place now where God can hide, right?

01:02:46.900 You've heard of the God of the gaps argument?

01:02:49.460 The God of the gaps argument is basically whenever there is an explanatory gap in our scientific

01:02:54.640 knowledge, that's where God goes to hide, right?

01:02:57.220 So there used to be a time when an eclipse was God, but now he can no longer hide there.

01:03:01.440 Then thunder was God.

01:03:02.720 Then he can't hide there.

01:03:03.620 That's a scientist.

01:03:04.740 There is nothing.

01:03:06.420 There is nothing.

01:03:07.560 I don't believe, I don't believe, boy, this is going to get me in so much trouble.

01:03:13.340 I don't believe that the waters parted, okay?

01:03:16.840 I do believe the Jewish oral tradition that the winds might have swept and swept the water

01:03:25.480 to leave a path, but not like this, okay?

01:03:29.840 Okay, Velikovsky theorized that maybe the asteroid belt was from a, and he was wrong on all this,

01:03:39.260 but maybe a moon spun off, caused some gravitational pull, something came, made the water stand up.

01:03:47.920 I don't believe that, but at least it's a scientific way of looking for what is happening.

01:03:54.100 You know, faith, people will say, well, that wasn't a miracle.

01:03:59.980 Well, I don't know.

01:04:02.580 I think a CAT scan is.

01:04:05.560 I think that's a cat, I think that's a miracle.

01:04:07.840 In any other time, that would have been called a miracle.

01:04:11.140 Now, we're just learning how to do things.

01:04:14.040 And what brought about the CAT scan?

01:04:16.040 Science.

01:04:16.320 Yeah.

01:04:17.140 I have no problem.

01:04:18.500 Science, you know.

01:04:20.300 But by the way.

01:04:21.040 If God comes and he says, no, two plus two equals five, he's not God.

01:04:29.620 That's called postmodernism, by the way.

01:04:31.020 Yeah, I know it is.

01:04:32.660 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

01:04:36.280 If I could put a finger on one of the worst ramifications of this new era in technology and social media,

01:04:43.000 it's how we become so tribalized into our own little safe spaces.

01:04:47.660 We're not interconnected anymore.

01:04:49.720 We've become cocooned and separated.

01:04:52.240 We're surrounded by opinions that agree with us rather than open us up to or at least considering those things that we don't want to hear.

01:05:03.460 We don't talk to one another anymore.

01:05:05.920 We don't engage in respectful debate.

01:05:08.640 We don't actually listen.

01:05:10.620 And it's one of the reasons why I started doing podcast every Saturday.

01:05:13.940 They're available at Glenn Beck dot com or wherever you get your podcast.

01:05:17.940 The one you're about to hear is, I think, crucial.

01:05:22.800 Gad sad a guy I'm not supposed to like and I'm a guy he's not supposed to like.

01:05:27.720 But we ended up loving each other.

01:05:29.740 He's one of the original intellectual dark web thinkers.

01:05:33.220 He is an atheist and someone whose opinion I value greatly.

01:05:37.740 Here's part of the conversation we had about religion and God.

01:05:43.200 Spoiler alert.

01:05:44.900 No one gets insulted or hostile.

01:05:48.200 You said earlier God is a scientist.

01:05:50.920 I actually wrote an article where I argued that God is a Darwinist.

01:05:54.980 And let me make the argument here for you.

01:05:56.960 So there's a great paper written by a Darwinian historian.

01:06:00.480 So this is a historian who studies historical patterns using the evolutionary lens.

01:06:06.380 And she did a content analysis of the Old Testament.

01:06:10.380 So this is a way where you can study scientifically the Bible with an evolutionary lens.

01:06:16.960 And here's what she did.

01:06:18.220 So there's a lot of research that shows that with higher status, men have more access to women.

01:06:24.600 Right.

01:06:24.720 So the reason why men fight the other men for status is because the downstream consequences is I get more women.

01:06:30.100 And so what she wanted to do is test this exact idea by looking at characters in the Bible.

01:06:36.660 And so what she did is she coded each individual in the Bible, his rank.

01:06:41.400 So, for example, he's a prophet.

01:06:42.640 He's a king.

01:06:43.260 He's a general.

01:06:44.380 He's a slave.

01:06:45.760 He's a farmer.

01:06:46.920 And then counted the number of women, mates, that are associated to him.

01:06:53.260 And it was the exact prediction that you would expect from evolutionary theory.

01:06:57.860 With greater status of men in the Bible comes greater reproductive benefits.

01:07:03.400 And so, therefore, I call that God is a Darwinist.

01:07:06.500 So, again, the Bible does contain certain universal truths, certain evolutionary truths.

01:07:12.260 But those truths can exist, from my viewpoint, simply because they are a manifestation of human beings having written those things, not of a supernatural agent.

01:07:21.540 Last question on this.

01:07:22.640 Then I want to get to your history.

01:07:23.800 But last thing on this.

01:07:25.280 Can we agree on maybe two out of the four?

01:07:29.740 Ben Franklin was asked, what is the American religion?

01:07:32.820 And they were trying to trap him.

01:07:36.640 And he said, well, the American religion is that there is a God.

01:07:42.440 He's going to judge us.

01:07:44.600 So, we should serve him.

01:07:45.860 And the best way to serve him is by serving our fellow man.

01:07:50.200 If that's what religion did.

01:07:54.660 Is it good?

01:07:55.680 Yeah.

01:07:55.920 Yeah.

01:07:56.400 Is it good?

01:07:57.100 Yeah.

01:07:57.240 The only thing, though, is I would say, my God, is it more impressive for me to serve you without it being an exhortation from God?

01:08:08.020 Exactly.

01:08:08.620 In other words, if I am good to Glenn Beck simply because I am innately virtuous and I think it's the right thing to do without worrying whether a sky daddy is judging me or not, I'm more pure for that.

01:08:20.660 And it's more pure, it's when you, you know, people try to go baptize people.

01:08:27.580 I've got to get you baptized in the faith.

01:08:29.420 Oh, would you stop?

01:08:30.580 So, you're not baptized?

01:08:31.660 Yeah, I am baptized.

01:08:32.700 But I despise the push to get people into the waters of baptism.

01:08:40.180 Right.

01:08:40.360 I believe in this, et cetera, et cetera.

01:08:42.960 I believe what I do.

01:08:44.560 However, how about I just love somebody?

01:08:47.620 Right.

01:08:48.260 Exactly.

01:08:48.480 With no ulterior motive.

01:08:50.800 I just want to love you.

01:08:51.840 Right.

01:08:52.140 Because anything else is crass.

01:08:55.680 Right.

01:08:55.900 Anything else does not come from God.

01:08:57.460 Well, it's more impure because it has an ulterior motive.

01:09:00.280 Correct.

01:09:00.560 And that's what we were talking about.

01:09:01.300 God doesn't, God's not like up there going, you know, if we befriend this guy, then this guy will do that.

01:09:07.240 It's not going to, it doesn't work that way.

01:09:08.600 If there is a God, he's not doing that.

01:09:11.040 Right.

01:09:11.140 He's like, hey, can you guys, he is come to me like a child.

01:09:15.020 He is very childlike.

01:09:17.020 Guys, just get along.

01:09:18.780 Right.

01:09:19.200 Love each other.

01:09:21.960 This is the Glenn Beck Program.

01:09:24.120 No matter how you get your news today, whether it's from a newspaper or cable TV or a smartphone, there's not a whole lot to be optimistic about.

01:09:33.140 Most times it can be downright discouraging.

01:09:35.800 I think what we need right now is a little old time country perspective.

01:09:42.680 My conversation with Phil Robertson.

01:09:45.360 He's about his old time country as it gets.

01:09:48.140 It begins in one minute.

01:09:49.440 Back before customers at coffee shops got their information from actually talking to a person sitting across the table from them, rather than ignoring them while scrolling through their Twitter mentions, things were a lot simpler.

01:10:04.960 There was wisdom in a good conversation.

01:10:08.320 A friend, a family member or a pastor was usually the first to be consulted when advice was needed.

01:10:13.840 I thought we needed to get back to a little bit of that.

01:10:16.800 My podcast available at Glenn Beck dot com or wherever you get your podcast is a good mixture of modern day technology and old fashioned communication.

01:10:25.440 One on one, thoughtful and practical application that you can actually use.

01:10:31.980 My recent conversation was with Phil Robertson, and it goes right to the heart of this concept.

01:10:38.300 Here's a small portion.

01:10:40.000 As things become more and more insane in our world.

01:10:43.240 Yeah.

01:10:43.440 Uh, I thought of the poster that, uh, that Churchill put out in the second world war, keep calm and carry on right now.

01:10:54.800 None of us are keeping calm.

01:10:55.980 We're all freaking out.

01:10:57.200 All we have to do is keep calm and then do the things that, you know, are right.

01:11:04.060 Just pay no attention to that.

01:11:06.080 Just keep calm and carry on.

01:11:08.360 You're quoting some great scriptures.

01:11:10.400 Look, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, offer your body as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God.

01:11:18.620 Offer your body.

01:11:19.420 That's 24 seven, which is your spiritual worship.

01:11:23.300 Don't conform any longer to the pattern of the world.

01:11:26.000 You just mentioned the pattern of the world back.

01:11:29.460 It's insane.

01:11:29.980 If someone had told me that we would end up by 2020 with the mischief and the sinful, the murder, the murder of their own children, they shoot up churches, concert, you're like, what?

01:11:49.320 Jesus said, the devil is the father of lies.

01:11:56.640 Just look at the news media and what they keep coming out of their mouth.

01:12:03.100 And you're like, and the scary part is, I think they believe the lie.

01:12:10.540 You too.

01:12:10.860 And it's not just the news media.

01:12:13.740 It's the Jesus said, the devil is behind the whole thing.

01:12:17.020 Yeah.

01:12:17.340 It's advertising.

01:12:18.940 Think of the lies of to sell somebody a product.

01:12:22.380 I have to tell you, you're not complete without this.

01:12:25.960 That's the biggest lie there is.

01:12:28.620 I know it.

01:12:29.740 That's why I haven't gotten into the cell phone and computer business.

01:12:33.500 I'm on the I'm on the computer, but I never look.

01:12:37.220 There's different gifts.

01:12:38.880 Here's worship.

01:12:39.720 Love must be sincere 24 seven.

01:12:43.260 Hey, what is evil?

01:12:44.380 Cling to what's good all the time 24 seven.

01:12:49.060 Be devoted to one another and brilliantly love all the time.

01:12:53.280 Honor one another above yourselves all the time.

01:12:58.320 Don't be lagging in zeal.

01:13:00.080 Keep your spiritual fervor serving the Lord all the time.

01:13:05.000 Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction.

01:13:07.700 My prostate acted up here about two or three weeks ago.

01:13:11.040 You say, did you go down, down on the ground?

01:13:14.600 I asked the almighty to take it from me.

01:13:16.840 It took about a week or 10 days.

01:13:18.760 I actually went to see a doctor for the first time in 50 years.

01:13:22.300 You say, patient in affliction.

01:13:24.780 The last time I've been in the hospital is when a tick bit me and gave me rabbit fever.

01:13:29.720 You say, you haven't been back to a doctor since.

01:13:32.820 But I went the other day because the old prostate got to acting up.

01:13:36.340 You're like, was it rough?

01:13:37.940 Was it rough?

01:13:38.780 So look, patient in affliction.

01:13:41.340 I weathered it.

01:13:42.500 Faithful in prayer.

01:13:44.240 Share with God's people who are in need.

01:13:47.340 Practice hospitality.

01:13:49.080 Have them over for a meal.

01:13:51.080 Bless those who persecute you.

01:13:53.200 That's why I told you, I don't, don't curse them.

01:13:56.200 Bless them.

01:13:56.720 They're all right.

01:13:57.600 Bless and don't curse.

01:14:00.080 Rejoice with those who rejoice.

01:14:02.000 Mourn with those who mourn.

01:14:03.640 Live in harmony with one another.

01:14:05.160 Don't be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.

01:14:10.680 The poor, the downtrodden, the rednecks, whatever.

01:14:15.160 Don't be conceited.

01:14:16.380 Don't repay anyone evil for evil.

01:14:18.940 This is worship.

01:14:20.060 This is how we worship.

01:14:21.640 Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.

01:14:25.380 You're like, be careful to do what is right no matter who's looking.

01:14:31.060 Do what is right.

01:14:32.860 Be careful to do what's right.

01:14:35.160 Heathen or not, do what's right before them.

01:14:37.920 Let them see that.

01:14:39.680 If it's possible, which is amazing, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

01:14:49.040 I live in a redneck neighborhood.

01:14:52.200 You say, you try to live at peace with them.

01:14:55.020 Yep.

01:14:55.200 They were stealing my fish, the rednecks, back when I was fishing to survive before the duck call took off.

01:15:05.860 I had a lot of nets in the river, hook nets.

01:15:08.380 Catfish go in them.

01:15:10.040 Buffalo.

01:15:10.640 Buffalo, you get 30 cents a pound.

01:15:12.580 Catfish, you get 70.

01:15:14.840 I had all these nets out.

01:15:16.040 I had floats on them.

01:15:17.660 You could see them.

01:15:18.460 Everyone around there knew they were my nets.

01:15:22.980 I would notice that I'd hear an outboard when I trained myself to go down there right quick and looking through the bushes.

01:15:30.840 And I'm looking over there.

01:15:32.620 And every once in a while, some of these guys would pull up on one of those floats.

01:15:37.860 And they'd start coming up with it.

01:15:39.440 They're going to steal my fish.

01:15:40.660 What I did at first, I was young in the faith, I took a shotgun with buckshot, and I tore out there, and I would threaten them, scare the daylights out of them.

01:15:55.260 What are you doing stealing from me?

01:15:57.880 But they kept stealing.

01:15:59.840 I'd run that bunch off, and three weeks later, there's another bunch.

01:16:04.680 I read this text that where I'm reading now.

01:16:07.940 Don't take revenge, my friends.

01:16:13.560 Leave room for God's wrath.

01:16:15.060 It's written.

01:16:15.680 It's mine to avenge.

01:16:16.860 I will repay, says the Lord.

01:16:18.320 On the contrary, if your enemy's hungry, feed him.

01:16:21.520 If he's thirsty, give him something to drink.

01:16:25.100 I said, young in the faith, I said, that won't work.

01:16:31.380 These rednecks, if I'm good to them,

01:16:35.000 if I give them what they're trying to steal, you're telling me, Lord, they'll quit stealing?

01:16:42.820 I said, that won't work.

01:16:44.540 But it occurred to me, Beck, I said, how would I know?

01:16:48.280 I've never tried it.

01:16:49.720 I'm just trying to spook them.

01:16:51.560 Mm-hmm.

01:16:52.600 And these are dangerous people anyway.

01:16:55.620 Of course, you're in the South.

01:16:57.740 You eat Yankees.

01:16:58.800 Yeah.

01:16:59.640 So I said, well, I'm going to try that, Lord.

01:17:05.860 I'm going to test you right here on this.

01:17:08.500 So the next bunch I catch, I tear out there with my motor.

01:17:13.500 I have my gun just in case my faith gets a little weak.

01:17:16.980 Mm-hmm.

01:17:17.980 But it's not in my hands.

01:17:19.840 It's in the bottom of the boat.

01:17:21.360 Mm-hmm.

01:17:21.640 I pull out there.

01:17:22.940 These guys look around, and they're dropping my net in the river,

01:17:26.880 acting like they were fishing.

01:17:27.940 Mm-hmm.

01:17:28.800 I said, guys, it looks like you've had trouble catching some fish,

01:17:34.200 and you decided to get mine in my nets.

01:17:37.020 I said, good times have come your way.

01:17:40.960 I'm going to give you the fish.

01:17:43.660 And they're looking at me, and the look on their faces,

01:17:47.200 they looked at each other.

01:17:48.560 I said, I'm going to give you what you,

01:17:50.780 I want you to have a fish fry.

01:17:53.160 How many are coming?

01:17:55.100 They said, well, let's see.

01:17:58.100 There was my cousin.

01:17:59.960 And I said, you know, you start frying fish,

01:18:01.740 people have come out of the woodwork,

01:18:03.240 10 folks you haven't seen in years.

01:18:05.220 I said, listen, I'm going to keep your boat right there.

01:18:08.920 I said, calm down now.

01:18:10.480 I'm not going to hurt you.

01:18:11.780 I said, I'm going to give you what you were trying.

01:18:13.900 Let's see what you've fixed to catch.

01:18:15.820 Well, I pulled the net up.

01:18:17.160 It had a lot of fish in it.

01:18:18.220 I put him in my boat.

01:18:20.340 I put the net back out.

01:18:21.780 I said, bring your boat over here.

01:18:23.660 They said, no, so we'll just go on down.

01:18:25.640 I said, come on over here.

01:18:27.720 They were scared of me.

01:18:29.280 So they were thinking, wait a minute, we're stealing from him.

01:18:31.920 He's given us what we were trying to steal.

01:18:34.680 He's crazy.

01:18:36.180 So look, they get their boat over,

01:18:38.240 and I start throwing fish over in their boat.

01:18:40.880 I said, when you think you have enough for the fish fry,

01:18:44.120 you can say so.

01:18:46.000 And they told me one time, well, I think that'll be enough, Mr. Roger.

01:18:49.780 I said, no, let me give you a few more.

01:18:51.920 So I threw them some more.

01:18:53.080 I said, now, you have what you wanted to steal.

01:18:56.420 I'm giving you what you were trying to steal.

01:18:59.100 I said, I do this for a living.

01:19:02.400 This is how I make money.

01:19:04.400 I said, I would appreciate it if you didn't steal from me.

01:19:07.280 I said, now, listen.

01:19:08.580 I live, see up on a hill, that house on that hill?

01:19:11.060 Yeah.

01:19:11.640 I said, the next time you want to fish fry,

01:19:14.040 if you can't catch any fish, just come see me,

01:19:17.280 and I'll give them to you.

01:19:20.000 All the way up and down the river for years after that,

01:19:23.640 they all quit stealing from me.

01:19:27.420 What I didn't know was, young in the faith,

01:19:30.720 I appealed to their conscience, if they had one.

01:19:35.780 And I wanted them to say, good night.

01:19:39.200 The guy would give them to us.

01:19:40.620 I mean, the old guy gave us the fish we was trying to steal.

01:19:43.740 Can you believe that?

01:19:45.220 Well, once that goes around in the redneck circles,

01:19:47.700 they say, we shouldn't fool with that old dude.

01:19:50.080 That's a good old dude.

01:19:52.420 God was right all along.

01:19:53.840 I just never had, I was too weak to see it.

01:19:57.560 So I will tell you, I find, I read the scriptures,

01:20:01.400 and I find answers to everything, everything that you're doing,

01:20:04.040 just like you did with the fish.

01:20:05.240 I find answers everywhere in it.

01:20:09.060 And it's amazing, because every time I try it, it works too.

01:20:13.540 Is there a problem with people of faith in America today,

01:20:18.960 because they profess they believe it, but then they don't do it?

01:20:26.100 They, you know, the answer is, these are not enemies of yours.

01:20:31.340 They're enemies of mine.

01:20:32.940 I have the right for vengeance.

01:20:35.620 You don't.

01:20:36.700 I am commanding you to love them.

01:20:40.560 Remember, we're not wrestling against flesh and blood.

01:20:44.700 Correct.

01:20:44.920 We're humans.

01:20:45.580 That's not where the battle is.

01:20:46.960 Correct.

01:20:47.220 But we're wrestling with the rulers of this age,

01:20:52.680 the authorities, the evil.

01:20:55.000 The princes of darkness, the spiritual wickedness.

01:20:58.720 Yeah.

01:20:59.060 Our battle is with the evil one.

01:21:01.420 That's why when I wrote that book, it says,

01:21:04.380 the theft of America's soul, I'm putting it on the evil one.

01:21:09.380 The humans are just caught up in it.

01:21:11.440 Correct.

01:21:12.000 But if they're delivered from Satan, they're ready to go.

01:21:16.240 But he's the problem.

01:21:17.860 So where are all the Christians that don't want to, that will say,

01:21:26.180 you know what, I have plenty.

01:21:28.920 Let me give you my fish.

01:21:30.760 Just don't steal from me.

01:21:32.340 They would say, and I mean this for everybody, but I'm hearing it from Christians.

01:21:36.920 I'm, you know, but I know everybody is this way.

01:21:41.380 They would say, that is weakness.

01:21:44.760 That will show weakness.

01:21:46.720 They're going to steal from you blind if you do that.

01:21:49.680 You can't do that.

01:21:50.840 You've got to show power and you've got to stand up.

01:21:54.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:54.900 Let me show you another thing on where they would do the same thing.

01:21:58.800 Be angry, but sin not.

01:22:06.060 Okay, so someone sins against you and you're angry.

01:22:09.560 You're good.

01:22:11.760 Anger is a healthy emotion.

01:22:14.680 However, vengeance is not.

01:22:17.200 That's right.

01:22:18.160 Be angry, but don't sin.

01:22:20.600 You're like, well, how could I be angry and not sin?

01:22:23.520 Well, if you lash back out verbally, they curse you, you start cursing them, and then

01:22:29.240 you have a, and it escalates.

01:22:31.480 So we both are cursing each other.

01:22:33.140 You're no good, you know, two neighbors, one mowing the grass, one on the other side

01:22:36.800 of the fence, and they're sitting there cursing each other.

01:22:39.540 You're like, you can't lash back physically.

01:22:41.740 You're sinning.

01:22:43.340 You have to keep your mouth shut.

01:22:44.940 You don't pick up something either and begin to beat them half to death with it or pull out

01:22:49.800 your pistol and shoot them.

01:22:51.360 Be angry, but don't sin.

01:22:52.820 Okay, they sinned against you.

01:22:54.820 You don't retaliate verbally.

01:22:56.800 You don't retaliate physically.

01:22:59.360 You just walk away.

01:23:01.520 However, a lot of times when you walk away, you didn't sin, not yet, but you're bitter

01:23:08.520 because they cursed you.

01:23:10.820 You're like, they've still got their talons on you.

01:23:14.680 They're still causing you harm.

01:23:17.420 They're still controlling you because you're bitter about taking the cursing for no reason.

01:23:22.720 You say, well, what's the way out of that mess?

01:23:26.120 What's the strong person to do?

01:23:29.560 You say, just forgive them.

01:23:32.040 Don't be bitter.

01:23:34.700 Don't lash out verbally.

01:23:35.980 Don't lash out physically.

01:23:37.460 Just forgive them and move on.

01:23:40.420 You say, who's the stronger person?

01:23:44.020 The one that can't take a cursing without cursing back?

01:23:48.380 That's weak.

01:23:49.420 You say, pick up something because somebody cursed you and you're going to beat them

01:23:52.260 half to death.

01:23:52.820 You say, that's weak.

01:23:53.640 You're bitter for the next 20 years over what someone, you're like, they've controlled your

01:24:00.300 life for 20 years.

01:24:01.540 You're still mad about what they did back then.

01:24:03.360 Mm-hmm.

01:24:03.940 You see it all the time.

01:24:05.900 Or just forgive them and move on.

01:24:08.040 You say, forgive them.

01:24:10.600 That's true.

01:24:11.500 There's the strong person.

01:24:13.360 So we just get it out of whack.

01:24:15.640 I'm talking to Phil Robertson, the granddaddy of Duck Dynasty.

01:24:27.600 Phil breaks it down as only Phil can break it down.

01:24:33.100 So I think forgiveness is the, I think that's the first step.

01:24:38.380 I think the deeper step of it is profound empathy.

01:24:44.000 I know I've been in situations where I've had to forgive and I could forgive.

01:24:49.220 And then I've been in situations that I've prayed a lot about that I knew I was going

01:24:53.200 to have problems with.

01:24:54.560 Yep.

01:24:55.000 And my whole heart saw, felt their pain.

01:25:01.300 And all of a sudden, no matter what they said to me, I could just feel how much pain they

01:25:06.200 were in.

01:25:06.980 Yep.

01:25:07.340 And it brings you to tears.

01:25:10.020 And that is, that's even more.

01:25:13.920 When you can, to say I forgive you and mean it is hard.

01:25:18.760 Yep.

01:25:19.060 To feel the other pain.

01:25:20.400 Very difficult for human beings.

01:25:22.220 Very difficult for human beings to get that.

01:25:24.960 That's why the greatest commands of the Bible, love God and love your neighbor, you say, in

01:25:29.720 spite of the mistakes.

01:25:30.740 How many times, Lord, shall we forgive him?

01:25:33.400 Seven?

01:25:33.800 Seven, he said, 70 times seven.

01:25:38.140 Seventy times seven.

01:25:39.360 They're like, 70 times seven.

01:25:42.480 If Glenn Beck and Phil Robertson added up every violation where they broke God's, one of his

01:25:50.540 laws, if we added them all up, you say, there would be probably thousands.

01:25:58.380 That's why Jesus said, you'd be forgiven to him, 70 times seven.

01:26:05.220 Be ready to forgive.

01:26:07.020 Look how many sins I've forgiven of you.

01:26:10.940 So if you look at it like that, you say, whoa, what's this?

01:26:15.420 Leave no debt, remain outstanding.

01:26:18.620 Let no debt remain outstanding.

01:26:21.320 Pay your bills.

01:26:21.820 Accept one debt we owe, Beck, the continuing debt to love one another.

01:26:29.860 For he who loves his fellow man, watch how this works, has fulfilled the law with all

01:26:38.920 the don't do this, don't do that, don't lie, don't steal, don't curse, don't.

01:26:42.080 You're like, how do you, how do you fulfill that?

01:26:45.440 Love your neighbor.

01:26:46.700 Watch.

01:26:47.040 The commandments do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, and

01:26:54.620 whatever other commandment there may be are summed up in this one rule.

01:27:00.440 Love your neighbor as yourself.

01:27:02.900 Love does no harm to its neighbor.

01:27:08.360 You're like, I don't get up in the morning and say, I got to make sure that I don't steal

01:27:14.720 somebody's money out of their billfold, or I got to make sure that I don't have any evil

01:27:21.380 thoughts, and I got to make sure that I don't lash out at that.

01:27:25.680 Just love them.

01:27:27.220 Just love them.

01:27:29.060 If you love them, you're certainly not going to shoot them.

01:27:32.420 If you love them, you say, you're not going to be unkind to them.

01:27:36.760 If you love them, you're not going to mess with their woman.

01:27:40.040 You love them too much.

01:27:41.180 She's, she's your sister.

01:27:43.680 She's a fellow human being.

01:27:46.080 You say, love would take care of every bit of that.

01:27:49.940 But boy, is that a hard lesson.

01:27:51.960 It's a hard one.

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01:28:01.920 Her parents dropped out of school at a young age.

01:28:05.180 She lived in absolute poverty with no electricity and no running water.

01:28:11.080 But Carol Swain refused to be defined by all of that.

01:28:15.500 I sat down with Carol a little while ago for a podcast.

01:28:18.620 It's available at glennbeck.com or wherever you get your podcasts.

01:28:22.280 And I was blown away by her story.

01:28:24.700 Former professor at Vanderbilt.

01:28:27.160 Her work is now been cited by two Supreme Court justices.

01:28:30.980 But here's the part of the conversation on race and immigration that was fascinating.

01:28:37.540 Look at how long the government was shut down and didn't seem to be a problem with most people.

01:28:44.980 There is a, there's a contempt.

01:28:47.960 I mean, this border wall thing, I think the average American on the border wall says, look, I just want to know who's here.

01:28:56.760 I want to make sure MSN, MS-13 is not in my neighborhood.

01:29:00.140 I want to make sure that bad guys aren't here.

01:29:02.580 I want to make sure the good people that just want to make us better and want to become American can come through the front door.

01:29:07.960 Let me make that easier.

01:29:08.940 I'm fine with that.

01:29:09.800 Right.

01:29:10.060 But I just don't want people here.

01:29:11.540 The reason why they're demanding a wall is because they don't trust government.

01:29:15.960 They say, I want something permanent because you'll pass it.

01:29:20.800 You won't build it.

01:29:22.480 And if you do build it, you'll stop.

01:29:25.160 You'll stop doing whatever it was you said you were going to do the minute we turn around.

01:29:29.920 That's why people want a wall.

01:29:32.260 So we're, we're, we're looking at this, this time where I think somebody like Donald Trump could say, you know what, you know why this border wall is, is in the mess that it is?

01:29:50.060 Because nobody in the Republican Party actually mean it when they tell you border wall.

01:29:56.280 Nobody in the Democratic Party actually mean it.

01:29:59.740 They were fighting for it 10 years ago.

01:30:02.800 Now it's immoral.

01:30:05.360 And I think he could make the case to both sides.

01:30:09.160 Well, I can, this has to stop.

01:30:10.920 My latest, most recent academic book is, is an edited debating immigration.

01:30:19.840 And, and it was released August of last year.

01:30:23.980 So I've given a lot of thought to immigration.

01:30:27.260 Immigration has not been reformed since 1986.

01:30:30.600 And we've done piecemeal.

01:30:32.420 And there's no incentive by either political party to make the reforms that we need.

01:30:38.520 And so we're talking border wall when immigration itself, the whole thing needs to be reformed.

01:30:45.900 And the wall, I believe, is needed because, I mean, there's another caravan coming from Honduras on its way to the U.S.

01:30:54.380 And, you know, they do get across the fence.

01:30:57.880 And you may have seen the photograph of someone, they know how to drive cars.

01:31:05.120 They have tracks where they can drive a car over, over the fence, which means we need to make our fences better.

01:31:13.300 But we definitely need something so that you just can't have, you know, thousands of people that just walk across the border or rush the border.

01:31:21.540 Or they are in one group where, as you're focused on the 2,000, when the 200 are, you know, a mile down walking across the border.

01:31:33.020 So I think the border wall, all of our attention is on that when it should be on comprehensive immigration reform.

01:31:41.860 And by comprehensive, I don't mean, you know, amnesty as a code word.

01:31:45.980 I mean, comprehensive in that you look at the whole picture, legal as well as illegal immigration.

01:31:52.800 And it is impacting American citizens in adverse ways.

01:31:58.600 And the ones that are coming here being released in Texas and cities, they have to be housed somewhere.

01:32:07.320 That's housing that American citizens are not going to get because they tend to, in some cases, have more benefits, able to get more benefits from certain parts than American citizens that are struggling.

01:32:21.340 I find it insulting that the country that was built by immigrants, we're all immigrants one way or another.

01:32:33.700 Most of us are all immigrants one way or another at some point.

01:32:37.340 We saw the racism against the Chinese, against the blacks, against the Irish, white, black, didn't matter.

01:32:45.340 If you were different, you were bad.

01:32:47.820 But we saw the America that it built, and it built a country because those people came here wanting a promise.

01:33:01.760 To be Americans.

01:33:02.740 To be Americans.

01:33:04.300 I don't know, and I'm sure there are tons of them.

01:33:07.660 I shouldn't say tons.

01:33:08.900 Maybe 5% of the American population is somebody who said, I don't want any of these foreigners here.

01:33:14.320 Maybe there are.

01:33:15.120 Maybe it's 10%.

01:33:15.860 I don't know.

01:33:16.360 But 90% aren't like that.

01:33:19.900 Right.

01:33:20.460 If you come here and say, I can make you better.

01:33:24.220 It's to accuse conservatives or to accuse people who say, look, I need people to watch this border because there's bad things happening.

01:33:33.880 Right.

01:33:34.020 To say that they are racist somehow or xenophobic, when you're talking to a group of people who say, books and people are the same.

01:33:46.440 I want diversity.

01:33:48.620 I want a diversity of ideas.

01:33:50.720 That's more important than skin color.

01:33:52.960 I know.

01:33:53.620 I want people coming in.

01:33:55.020 Right.

01:33:55.700 It makes us better.

01:33:56.720 I know.

01:33:58.480 But as long as epithets can be used to intimidate people and silence them, then they'll be hurled.

01:34:06.180 And I think that in some cases, the reaction should be to embrace the epithet, just laugh at it and keep going with the conversation.

01:34:15.720 I thought, I saw, I saw somebody, I won't address who the two candidates are, but I saw somebody.

01:34:26.240 Uh, and they had such a natural sense of humor.

01:34:31.680 Just, they were just natural and a really natural, almost infectious laugh.

01:34:37.460 And, uh, somebody who didn't.

01:34:39.500 Right.

01:34:39.760 And one person is, is looking and saying, they're saying, oh, that person's going to, that person will do well against Donald Trump because they'll bash him.

01:34:48.720 The other person is, uh, is, they're not talking about.

01:34:53.080 And I thought, if the other person runs against Donald Trump and Donald Trump does what Donald Trump does and he, you know, he makes up a name for everybody and everything else.

01:35:04.120 If they are honest, if it's not, if it's their personality, you are a kind, gentle, thoughtful woman.

01:35:12.740 You, there's no way you can't see that in you.

01:35:15.900 Um, if this is the kind of person they are and they laugh and go, uh, yeah, that's me, it could diffuse it and that could win.

01:35:28.700 That is a problem that we're all taking things so seriously and we're getting so mad and stop calling me that.

01:35:39.440 It doesn't matter what they say.

01:35:41.920 It doesn't matter.

01:35:42.900 Does it?

01:35:43.760 Not to me.

01:35:45.000 Not to me.

01:35:46.300 I refuse to be silenced because America means a lot to me.

01:35:51.560 And I think about my children, my grandchildren.

01:35:54.920 And when I say my children, I'm not thinking just about my biological children.

01:36:00.080 I'm thinking about all of those thousands of students that I've taught over the years.

01:36:04.860 And, uh, it troubles me what I see taking place.

01:36:09.180 And it troubles me when I see racism against white people.

01:36:12.720 Uh, the argument is that, you know, that white people, uh, can't be victims of racism because, uh, racism only applies to people that don't have power and all whites have privilege.

01:36:24.340 Well, that is really, um, I'll say hogwash because I don't want to say the other word.

01:36:31.660 I think that, um, we need to stand for principles.

01:36:37.220 And if the principle is non-discrimination on the base of race, gender, uh, national origin, then it includes everybody.

01:36:46.440 Non-discrimination has to be against every group.

01:36:49.180 And so it can be one group that is safe to discriminate against, you know, that they have less rights.

01:36:54.600 I think that, um, isn't, isn't this what King really was talking about?

01:37:02.260 I think so.

01:37:03.260 I think so.

01:37:04.600 And we have lost this message.

01:37:07.220 I mean, he's not a vogue nowadays and people would prefer to embrace other leaders that are more divisive.

01:37:13.700 And if we don't start to turn things around in America, I think that we will see our nation fall and maybe in our lifetimes.

01:37:22.320 Um, if I had to ask you what the, um, thing that keeps you up at night, because we started with urgency, you had a sense of purpose and a sense of urgency.

01:37:40.000 So if I said to you, Carol, you're, it's your last week and this is your last interview and you have a chance to talk to Americans and they're actually hear you, what would your message be?

01:37:59.720 My message would be that we need to return to our Judeo-Christian values and principles.

01:38:06.360 I think that a lot of the confusion that we have in America, a lot of the violence and the hopelessness has come as we have become increasingly secular.

01:38:18.480 I think that America is a nation that was founded on Judeo-Christian values and principles.

01:38:25.540 We had the civic religion, you know, that many people, they were not necessarily deeply religious, but there were certain values and principles that made us Americans.

01:38:36.440 We've lost that. And if we don't regain our footing, you know, spiritually, uh, um, and which ties into truth and knowledge, then I think we're doomed.

01:38:49.220 I'm talking to Carol Swain, one of the top academic minds today, analyzing race and immigration.

01:38:58.480 Here's another part of the conversation from the Glenn Beck podcast, where we talk about slavery and Christianity.

01:39:05.280 So let me play, let me just push back. Let me play devil's error.

01:39:08.700 All right.

01:39:09.580 Play the average person that is, that hears that. And they're like, oh, geez.

01:39:14.300 Well, those Judeo-Christian values.

01:39:16.880 They don't know what they, yeah.

01:39:18.300 They created slavery. Those Judeo-Christian values were on display with, with fire hoses and dogs.

01:39:25.820 Those Judeo-Christian values have slaughtered people all over the world.

01:39:30.520 I would say that that is, um, again, I mean, I can't find the word, a ladylike word to say what my reaction would normally be.

01:39:39.940 There were always Christians that fought for abolition, that, uh, protected, uh, the, uh, slaves and helped them, you know, get to freedom, that educate, set up universities back in the 1800s.

01:39:54.900 And if you look at all of the billions of dollars, the philanthropy that has come from white people throughout, um, uh, the ages.

01:40:05.060 Specifically Americans.

01:40:06.620 I'm talking about Americans.

01:40:07.880 I'm talking about Americans.

01:40:09.180 You know, there, there've been universities going back to the 1800s.

01:40:12.680 There were educating blacks and there were universities in new England that never discriminated and they were educating blacks.

01:40:19.940 And so a lot of the, uh, positive things that have taken place in America, we have always been a nation that we eventually acknowledged their wrongs.

01:40:31.500 But even, um, when those wrongs were there, there were always Christian people who were fighting for what's right.

01:40:39.380 And they, um, and so for me, um, and so for me, I'm glad that I'm an American and, and I'm a descendant of slaves on at least one side of my family.

01:40:52.020 I'm a descendant of slaves.

01:40:54.000 And when I look at divine providence, you know, we don't know why things happen the way they do, but I'm glad that my ancestors made it to America because I believe America is the greatest country in the world.

01:41:08.040 Blacks in America, whether they know it or not, are better off than blacks anywhere else in the world.

01:41:14.560 It's a blessing to be an American.

01:41:17.480 And so, uh, if I look at white people, I see people that have always tried to improve the lot of people around the world.

01:41:29.080 And, uh, they've sent missionaries.

01:41:31.340 Uh, I, I go to a church where wealthy white people work in, in a city ghetto that they spend that time and their resources working among, uh, in neighborhoods where I would, I am uncomfortable to go at times, but they're not.

01:41:48.560 And so, um, I just think that when you have secularism and a devaluation of human life that we see in abortion, uh, the fact that we don't value as Americans life at any stage, we don't, we don't value the life of the unborn or the lives of the elderly or the lives of people that are born, uh, you know, with some type of handicap.

01:42:15.380 I mean, that makes us, we know better than, uh, uh, the people doing, you know, Hitler, you know, and the Nazis, because a lot of what we do is very similar.

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The Glenn Beck Program - May 27, 2019

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