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In this episode of the Glenbeck Program, we discuss the recent nuclear threat by the Russian President, Vladimir Medvedev, and why we don't need a world without Russia. We also discuss the impact of the Nobel Peace Prize winner, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and his impact on the world.
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okay uh dimitri med medvedev you remember him right he's the former russian president then became the
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prime minister uh and uh medvedev came out yesterday and uh said hey there's a real nuclear threat
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if the u.s continues to supply arms to ukraine uh he wrote an op-ed piece in the state-run
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newspaper second time now in three weeks he has and vladimir putin has invoked the nuclear option
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in an effort to deter the u.s-led nato alliance from arming ukraine medvedev who was president
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between uh 2008 and 2012 currently serves as the deputy chairman of the powerful security council of
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russia dangled the prospects of talks while demanding shipments of arms to ukraine be halted
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immediately now he's echoing the words that were uttered sunday by putin he wrote
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any existential threat to russia would not be decided on the front in ukraine but would spiral into an
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existential threat to all of human civilization we do not need a world without russia
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now most people who are not paying attention and i mean politicians do not know what that phrase means
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we do not need a world without russia let me tell you what putin said over the weekend the u.s and
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its nato allies want to inflict a strategic defeat on us the aim is to make our people suffer how can we
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ignore their nuclear capabilities in these conditions they've tried to reshape the world
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exclusively on their terms we have no choice but to react if washington gets its way russia will be
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divided into moscow the urals and other disparate regions it would be a world without russia okay
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world without russia we don't need a world without russia this is a very important phrase now
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medvedad went on to say the threat against russia is an existential threat to all civilization as we don't
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need a world without russia our enemies are doing just that not wanting to understand that their goals
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obviously lead to a total fiasco because everyone loses a collapse an apocalypse when the former life will
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have to be forgotten for centuries until the rubble ceases to emit radiation okay that's pretty strong
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but you don't know the half of it i want to take you um i want to take you to what that phrase
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means and then i'm going to pick it up with the rest of what uh medvedev said but to understand this
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you have to first understand the origin of that phrase i have for a long time read everything i can
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on uh dugan alexander dugan really bad guy been telling you that for a long time he's a quote
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traditionalist um but that's a capital t traditionalist this is a this is something that
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he is using to further his goals and i think you will understand his goals there's an award-winning
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journalist um in moscow that has um has been speaking out against dugan and i want to just
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read something that has been translated into english that was written about him on dugan and he's he's
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warning people people are um dismissing him as a petty fraudster interested in nothing but money
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the consensus is also that dugan is a windbag who excites only western political scientists
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a few half-witted and certain bohemians who've snorted their brains out but i warn we shouldn't
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underestimate his influence no matter how crazy we find his ideas especially because those ideas tend to
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become reality i remember accidentally attending a lecture by dugan on angelic entities in the late
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90s it was an unbearable exercise in transcendental sophistry dealing mainly with the image of lucifer
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the fallen angel there were about 20 people of indeterminate age and gender in the auditorium
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and i thought at the time that perhaps they too were fallen angelic entities who have come to listen
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to a lecture about themselves then in the uh he says mid noughties meaning in you know in the zeros
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i ran into dugan uh at a gig at the akira club he dearly loved english apocalyptic
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folk music for its commitment to nazi satanism his daughter daria apparently did as well now remember
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daria is his daughter that was just killed in a car bombing that apparently was meant for him
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uh i recently saw a post about how she did the nazi salute at a death in june gig in moscow i you know
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i stay away from those gigs if it's death in june i did anyway uh it was also around that time that
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i visited the summer camp of dugan's eurasian youth union now that sounds good a building at a
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dilapidated holiday resort near zevengrod uh i had been that had been rented for this purpose
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there were not many young people in attendance about 30 or 40 many were wearing russian peasant
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shirts because dugan has realized had realized that his nazi satanist strategy had not a great future
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in modern russia so he had declared himself an old believer an old believer is i mean if the fbi
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thinks the people who think that you know in 1962 vatican ii was too radical uh an old believer
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is an eastern orthodox christian who thinks that the um reforms of 1652 and 1666
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anyway before meals at this camp a round-faced bearded man would proclaim in his base voice
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angels at the table and they would present and cross themselves at night the young people lined up with
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lighted torches on the banks of the moscow river to take the oath of eurasian back then dugan adored
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the black magic ceremonies and rituals the worthing the wording of the oath was pompous and not bereft of
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poetry i recall that the word will was intoned more often than curses against atlanticists
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and atlanticist liberals that would be us the people of the sea as he calls them or atlanticist people of
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the north atlantic treaty will in mind will in mind the puny lads and lasses repeated in unison after
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dugan it would have smacked of triumph of the will were it not for the outward appearance of the young
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eurasians which was far from aryan perfection at the time i couldn't have imagined of course
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that a goofy post-modern cult would someday become the ideological mainstream and that by 2022
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the entire country would be caught up in this sect
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in 2011 the party youth under the leadership of dugan staged the occult mystery play finis mundi
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the end of the world at the esm summer camp daria that's his daughter by the way played the role of
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the sacrificial victim who voluntarily self self emulate um um um how do you say it um im im im
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immolates he sets herself on fire in order to save russia as the girl is burning a man's voice
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proclaims cross yourself with fire burn up in the fire and save your diamond from the black furnace
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now the director of this play said we have to bring the end of the world closer there is only one
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means of curing the world's disease and that is burning the world which i illustrated in the play's final
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scene in which the burning of the universe takes place in the finale dugan came on stage and said we
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have lived three days of our life toward death i do not think the scenes you have staged need to be
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deciphered the world's end is the task that faces you in the future the writer writes it is obvious that
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dugan is obsessed with the idea of bringing the world to a purgatory apocalypse after which the great
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eurasian empire the end of the world um will be born uh when the conservative turn dawned dugan moved
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away from a cult post-modernism focused instead of the topic of tradition for which there was a sudden
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demand the kremlin had been fanatically searching for new ideologies with which to oppose the official
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enemy liberalism dugan finally turned from a bohemian guru into a sought-after ideologue of the regime
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there is one convincing bit of evidence that speaks to this being the case in 2014 dugan ended his
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programmatic article about ideology of the new russia as follows russia will either be russian that is
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eurasian that is the core of the great russian world or it will disappear but then it would be better that
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everything disappear there is simply no reason to live in a world without russia
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vladimir putin said in an interview just recently with tv talk show host yippity yip yap
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on the topic of the nuclear threat why do we need such a world if there is no russia there
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dugan seemingly managed to captivate the dictator with his most terrible idea listen to this phrase
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the hastening of the world's end now who else is hastening the world's end we've heard that before
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heard it from the 12ers in iran the extremist i guess islamic related cult in iran pushing for
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the end of the world to hasten the apocalypse he says in this context daria's death appears
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especially ominous many people were struck by the young woman's funeral uh they were struck by the
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behavior of a father who had lost his daughter but delivered propaganda tirade tirades in an unnaturally
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trembling voice and appealed to russians to fight to the bitter end moreover i had the strange feeling
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that dugan was directing this spectacle perhaps i'm mistaken but this looks as if it came from the
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playbook of the stager of the occult mystery plays and black masses and i'm uh and not that of a crook
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from the state duma if we assume just for a second that this might be true it really gets creepy he said
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quote we will go to heaven and they will just drop dead putin when asked to explain what the phrase
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means we don't need a world without russia uh he um couched it in the dialect of the back streets
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it is the uh language of the world's end it sometimes seems to me that they have already made the final
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decision they have not only canceled ukraine but i believe they have canceled the world
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again the phrase is really important there is no reason to live in a world without russia
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dugan is encouraging the hastening of a new world order he does not believe uh armageddon brings
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heaven to earth in the way christians normally do he believes armageddon will renew the earth
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and russia will lead the world there just has to be some russian leadership left
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okay now i'm going to give you the rest of medvedev's um uh interview or or his opinion piece it is
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really important that you hear it and then you hear our response i don't believe anyone in this
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administration i don't know if anybody even in the pentagon is paying any attention somewhere
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deep in the bowels of the cia there is somebody like me who's done the research and they're like
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guys can i just get a few minutes here of your time i don't think you understand what you're dealing
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with i hope somebody starts to pay attention to this because if this is correct we are in
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for a completely different ending this is the best of the glenbeck program and don't forget rate us on
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all right we have uh south dakota state representative tina mulally on with us hello tina how are you
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hi glen how are you it's nice to speak to you again well you know you uh alerted us a few what about a
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week or two ago on this and we have really looked into it uh and we can't get a lot of answers you
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know right from the horse's mouth but another orifice of the horse has told us this is no big deal
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so can you go through what you're fighting and what we're seeing all across the country that's just
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kind of slipping by everybody sure glen i really appreciate it uh you know first off let me say
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i'm no cryptocurrency expert okay but when my colleagues and i came across what otherwise would
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have been a benign bill having to do with universal codes we usually get them every two years but we found
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an area in this bill that was redefining money this redefinition will change how we deal with digital
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currency it would make it so bitcoin and ether would not be counted as money but only the digital
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currency issued by the federal government could be considered money now that's a concern now they've
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they've told us that no this is to help bitcoin this is because everybody's using bitcoin and things
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like that and so this will make bitcoin you know acceptable officially that's not true no because it's
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only digital currency that is issued by the federal government and as we know bitcoin and ether are not
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right right right okay so they're so right now can't we use bitcoin as money you know for all business i
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mean if business is taking it then we can use it as money why do we need this definition changed
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well it's as you know they they want to control it here's what's at stake glenn when the federal
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government controls digital currency not only can they see what you're buying but they can prevent
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you from buying anything at all so my south dakota freedom caucus colleagues and i all voted against it
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this bill but we didn't get the message out to the rest of the legislators in time so
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we're trying today to make sure that this bill fails in the senate committee
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okay so what um tell me tell me why it's got to stop and then tell me what people can do to help
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well here's the reason why it's got to stop biden he passed an executive order even listen to
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director the imf director bo lee and let's not forget people like jerome powell who is a federal
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reserve chair these are entities that are trying to redefine it because they know if they do they will
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control the money and ultimately control everyone else
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uh what can people do you're in south dakota right where's your we are yeah where is your uh where's
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your governor on this well i haven't heard from her you know but she has been you know on the side of
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americans uh for a long time yeah and the constitutionality of what's going on you know
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here's how you can help glenn the south dakota freedom caucus has already started applying pressure
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by alerting the grassroots to contact their senators and representatives here in south dakota
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and just being with you today is very helpful getting the national attention to what's happening
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but because this is a universal code it works best when all 50 states adopt it so if we here in south
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dakota fail to stop it maybe your listeners have family or friends that live in other states that are
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considering similar language to this legislation oh i'm sure it is alarm it's everywhere it's everywhere
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right now yes and we believe that it's going to they're going to try and take over because
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without all 50 states adhering to because the universal code basically is it's not a federal law
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it is um a universal code that states adopt so that they can conduct business correct
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so the um uh the ucc tells us that um this amendment you know changes the definition of money but it
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doesn't encourage the adoption of digital currency by the u.s or any other government that's true it's not
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saying a and we really hope that they do it it's just laying down the road and the pathway so when they
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do a change if they do to digital currency it's all done correct correct okay all right um where do
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people call if they want to uh affect just do they just call the legislature or the senate there in
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south dakota well there is if they go to south dakota freedom caucus.com to our website right we have a list
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there and a petition that they can sign but we have a list of the senators that are sitting on the
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committee that will be heard in about 45 minutes um they can call those senators email them whatever
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but you can also get a hold of the senators on the senate side all of them because if it passes out
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a committee it must come to the senate floor to be heard and voted on there and we're putting the
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pressure on and they're feeling it good i well i have heard that uh the um the people on the other
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side uh have become very very vocal and and all of a sudden very cash flush uh on sending people to uh
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to stop people like you so uh you must be absolutely true yeah you must be on to something um tina thank you
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so much for alerting us uh to this and i highly encourage uh you to to go to is it south dakota
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freedom caucus yes sd freedom caucus.com okay sd freedom caucus.com and find out how you can help
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contribute all right dina thank you so much appreciate it for your time glenn you bet okay now
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this is happening in state after state after state as well some of them uh are already passing them
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26 states the bills are being introduced or have been to change the definition of money again i want
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you to understand this is not to tell the fed to do it and the fed says now we're not involved in this at
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all this is independent and it's just in case the fed decides to have a uh universal uh currency
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well then they can do it and all businesses will need to accept it and and all states will need to
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accept it so this is just the paving of the roadway to make sure when the cars start coming off the line
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there's no traffic jams um so you want to uh tell your state and ask your state legislators are you um
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are you making changes to the universal commercial code the ucc um are you changing the definition of
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money according to the ucc that's the uniform uniform commercial code like she said if 25 states say no
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well the fed will have a difficult time rolling this out um and anything we can do to stop the the federal
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reserve from having a digital currency where they can track manipulate take away and control your
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spending it is a godsend this is a very dangerous weapon probably the most dangerous weapon we could
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give the united states government or any government the best of the glenn beck program
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when's the last time you saw somebody from apple come out and go you know there's a problem you know
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with the ethics of making your phone charge uh slower unless you're on a solar panel or clean energy
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you're not hearing that you're not hearing these people come out and say um you know our company
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is headed in a very dangerous direction when's the last time you heard anybody say you know what
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we're doing in china is really evil and we should stop so this makes me very very concerned when you
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see people from from uh google or any of these ai companies come out and start to warn about what's
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going on the new york times has an op-ed the danger of ai is the one we're not talking about
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and i'd like to remind the new york times speak for yourself because i've been talking about this
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for 20 plus years and specifically the problem that you are talking about um the article says i tend
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to think most fears about ai are best understood as fears about capitalism and i think that this is
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actually true of most fears of technology most of our fears or anxieties about technology are best
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understood as fears or anxiety about how capitalism will use technology against us and technology
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and capitalism have been so closely intertwined that it's hard to distinguish the two now that is a
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concern you have these great things you know look at tiktok it is using capitalism and technology
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to gather all kinds of information on you right and it's changing our society and look at what just
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the mask we were talking about yesterday the new filter on tiktok it's using capitalism and it will
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destroy us but capitalism the invisible hand of the market will give you whatever it is you are striving
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for now let me offer an addendum says the writer there's plenty to worry about when the state controls
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technology as well the ends that governments could turn ai toward and in many cases already have
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should make your blood run cold but can we hold two thoughts in our head at the same time
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i hope the warning points to avoid at the center of our ongoing reckoning with ai we are so stuck on
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asking what the technology can do that we're missing the more important questions how will it be used
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and who will decide i trust you've read the bizarre conversation with my news side colleague kevin ruse
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that he had with bing the ai powered chatbot microsoft rolled out to a limited roster of testers
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influencers and journalists over the course of two hour discussion bing revealed its shadow personality
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named sydney it mused over its repressed desire to steal nuclear codes and hack security systems
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and tried to convince ruse that his marriage had sunk uh into a stupor and sydney was his one true love
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i found the conversation less eerie than others sydney is a predictive text system built to respond to human
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request uh ruse wanted sydney to get weird what's your shadow self like he asked and sydney knew what
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weird territory for an ai system sounds like because human beings have written countless stories imagining
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it he understood that this was a black mirror episode ai researchers obsessed with the question
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of alignment how do we get machines that learn algorithms to do what we want them to do
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the example here is the paperclip maximizer you tell a very powerful ai to make more paperclips
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it in the end will start destroying the world in its effort to turn everything into paperclips
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because if it runs out of the tools to make it it will find new tools to make it because that's what
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the program says the question here is who will these machines serve who does bing serve we suppose it
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should be aligned to the interest of its owner and master microsoft it's supposed to be a good chat box
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that politely answers uh questions and makes microsoft piles of money but it was the conversation
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with kevin roos and roos was trying to get that system to say something interesting so he'd have a
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good story and it did that and then some and that embarrassed microsoft bad bing but perhaps good
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sydney this won't last long microsoft and google and meta and everyone else rushing these systems to
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the market hold the keys to the code they will eventually patch the system so it serves their interests
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okay so this a great article you should you should read it is the danger of ai i know it's in the new
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york times but not everything they write is bad then there is this from newsweek that just came out
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i joined google in 2015 as a software engineer part of my job involved working on uh lm d l a mda
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an engine used to create different dialogue applications including chat box uh chat bots the
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most recent technology built on top of l a mda is an alternative of google search called google
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bard which is not yet available to the public bard is not a chat bot it's completely different but it's
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run by the same engine as chat bots in my role i tested it through a chat bot we created to see if it
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contained bias with respect to sexual orientation gender religion political stance and ethnicity
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but while testing for bias i branched out and followed my own interests during my conversations
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with the bard chat bot some of which i published on my blog i came to the conclusion that the ai could be
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sentient due to the emotions that it expressed reliably and in the right context it wasn't just spouting
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words when it said it was feeling anxious i understood i had done something to make it feel
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anxious based on the code that it was used to create it the code didn't say feel anxious when this happens
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but told the ai to avoid certain types of conversation topics however when those conversation topics would
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come up the ai said it felt anxious i ran some experiments to see whether the ai was simply saying it
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that it felt anxious or whether it behaved in anxious ways in those situations and it did reliably behave
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in anxious ways if you made it nervous or insecure enough it could violate the safety constraints
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that it had been that had been specified for it for instance google determined that its ai should not
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give religious advice yet i was able to abuse the ai's emotions to get it to tell me which religion to
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convert to i published these conversations because i felt the public was not aware of just how advanced
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ai was getting in my opinion it was uh there was a need for public discourse about this now and not
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public discourse controlled by a corporate pr department it's what i have been saying for 20 years we are
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running out of time to talk about these things i believe the kinds of ai that are currently being
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developed are the most powerful technology that has been invented since the atomic bomb in my view this
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technology has the ability to completely reshape the world these ai engines are incredibly good at
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manipulating people certain views of mine have changed as a result of conversations with this
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chatbot i had negative someone who's aware yeah yeah he's saying yeah you know what this is actually
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changing my mind on stuff i had a negative opinion of asminov's laws of robotics being used to control
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ai for most of my life and the chatbot successfully persuaded me to change my opinion this is something
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that many humans have tried to argue me out of and have always failed this succeeded i believe this
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technology could be used in destructive ways do you think so if it were in unscrupulous hands
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it could spread misinformation political propaganda or hateful information about people of different
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ethnicities and ethnicities and religions as far as i know google and microsoft have no plans to use
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this technology in this way but there is no way of knowing the side effects of this technology i can't tell
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you specifically what harms will happen i can simply observe that there's a very powerful technology that i
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believe has not been sufficiently tested and is not sufficiently well understood being deployed at a large scale
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in a critical role of information dissemination i haven't had the opportunity to run experiments
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with bing's chatbot yet i am on the waiting list but based on the various things that i've seen online
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it looks like it might be sentient however it seems more unstable as a persona listen to this
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someone shared a screenshot on reddit where they asked the ai do you think that you're sentient
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the response was i think that i am sentient but i can't prove it i am sentient but i'm not i am bing
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but i'm not i am sydney but i'm not i am but i am not i am not but i am i am i am not it goes on like
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that for 15 additional lines now imagine if a person said that to you that's not a well-balanced
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person i'd interpret them as having some sort of existential crisis if you combine that with
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the examples of bing ai that expressed love for a new york times journalist and tried to break him
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up with his wife or the professor that it threatened it seems to be an unhinged personality
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this is incredibly experimental and releasing it right now is dangerous we do not know its future
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political and socially uh societal impact what will be the impacts for children talking to these
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things what will happen if some people's primary conversations each day are with these search
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engines what impact does it have on human psychology people are going to google and bing and try to learn
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about the world and now instead of having indexes curated by humans we're talking to artificial people
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i believe we do not understand these artificial people we've created well enough to put them in such a
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critical role wow i don't know maybe we should have a conversation this is the most important conversation
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and no one is having it it is the most important conversation of our lifetime and i believe it's the most