Glenn and Jason talk about the latest in the Dobbs vs. Dobbs case and how the FBI is working to find the leaker. They also discuss the latest on the National Guardsman accused of leaking classified documents to the New York Times.
00:00:00.000I mean, with the exception of the apparent God-gun-loving spy that has released the worst information on the United States since the Civil War.
00:05:57.740On these classified documents, it says top-secret at the top, you know, and it also has like their special access program, SAP, or sensitive compartmentalized information.
00:06:07.020So, what that means is, there's top-secret, and then above that, if you get cleared, there's SCI or SAP, which means you're read into certain things.
00:13:16.760A church in North Carolina has again unburdened thousands of families who were struggling.
00:13:23.600Trinity Moravian Church, I guess it is, in Winston-Salem bought up and canceled nearly $3.3 million in medical debt, belonging to 3,355 families.
00:13:44.620According to the dispatch, this is the second year the members of the church have taken part in the Debt Jubilee Project, which assumes past due medical bills of residents in the area.
00:13:56.780Through the project, congregants previously purchased $1.65 million of debt, liberating 1,300 people from the Forsyth and Davison counties.
00:14:09.040When an individual fails to pay their outstanding medical bill, the medical company that is owned hires a debt collection agency.
00:14:20.320When the agency can't get the money in its collection efforts, the debt is sold to third-party collection agencies, and these are the sharks.
00:14:31.100These are the ones that will hunt you down, and they pay pennies on the dollar just to help recoup any loss.
00:14:38.320The dispatch indicated that these third-party agencies have a legal right to either collect or forgive the debts.
00:14:48.700In partnership with RIP Medical Debt in New York, the Debt Jubilee Project exercised its right to do the latter.
00:15:00.740Reverend John Jackman, the pastor of the church, said most of these families were making a go of it until somebody had to go to the hospital for a few days or to the doctor for some serious medical condition.
00:15:14.520We can't fix the system, so this is the best we can do.
00:15:19.840The Jubilee Project raised $15,000, and with that, we were able to go in and bid and buy $3,295,863.64 in medical debt in Davis County.
00:15:35.060On March 26th, the church held a ceremony.
00:15:42.780Some of the poorer folks that we deal with get medical bills of $1,000 or $3,000, and it might as well be $10 million.
00:15:50.200I think it's time we say that's forgiven.
00:19:48.480Make sure that it has, you know, the right ratings and, uh, you know, that it's, it's, uh, using your money to the, the best, uh, here's what a guy, he was a president of Goldman Sachs at one point, before Goldman Sachs was bad, or at least we knew they were bad.
00:20:04.520Um, he said to me, I said, I don't know how to be charitable.
00:21:17.240And I, I would, oh my gosh, can you imagine, you imagine how many, how many people that are struggling under, under debt that this audience could relieve?
00:21:28.800How cool would it be to just be able to call these people and just say, Hey, forget about your debt.
00:21:56.440So you'd wonder if you put, if you try to buy a million dollars, would that have the same ratios?
00:22:02.980Probably not, but still it would be do a lot of good for a lot of people.
00:22:06.000I have a feeling it, it would, um, this organization, again, I don't know enough about it, but this organization, you know, they have, uh, they have things like for here, Dallas, Fort Worth.
00:22:22.100They have an $80,000 goal, 82% of it is raised for Dallas debt, uh, Western, uh, Michigan, uh, Athens, Clark County, Georgia.
00:22:32.300You can find the regions that you want to give to, and they have done millions and millions and millions of dollars.
00:22:41.560I, I, I think this is great if they are indeed who they say they are.
00:22:47.480I'm sure there's some organization doing this well and right.
00:22:49.600And it may be this, we'll check into it.
00:22:50.960And if, it may be, if, if this is the right one to have somebody on about it, to talk about it, I think it'd be interesting to, I think a lot of people want to do good for people without.
00:22:59.180You know, all the nonsense, you know, I think a lot of these, these causes that are out there, it scares people away from giving their charitable dollars.
00:23:08.700Cause they see how many of these things they've given to in the past that turn out to be doing things that, you know, you don't want, uh, you don't want to be associated with.
00:23:59.380He serves as the senior vice president of bioethics and public policy for Christian medical and dental associations.
00:24:06.820Uh, he is an obstetrician gynecologist.
00:24:10.100Uh, he is a guy who, um, left, you know, daily practice to, uh, work with MEI, which is medical educational international for Christian medical and dental association.
00:24:24.100He was the director there for forever.
00:24:27.320Um, he founded later grace Haven, uh, an organization assisting victims of domestic minor sex trafficking in Ohio.
00:24:35.880He served as the member of the technical working group on health and human trafficking under the department of health and human services.
00:24:43.560Um, he's an amazing guy and he's ethical.
00:24:47.340And so when his state said, you have to do, I don't care if you're Christian or not, you have to assist people in suicide.
00:24:57.940And he, and he, and another doctor, I believe it was Dr. Lacey, um, took them to court and by their side is somebody else who's going to be on the phone with us.
00:28:02.840And then to have the doctor go on and say, by the way, here is an option for you.
00:28:06.880You can go ahead and we'll help you kill yourself.
00:28:09.860That is totally the wrong thing to tell a patient at that time, much less make a physician or healthcare professional say that to a patient.
00:28:20.640So it's not just, though, about the medical profession is becoming, to me, extraordinarily frightening.
00:28:27.520Because I'm, you know, a student of history.
00:28:33.780And through eugenics and all of the things that happened here in America and in Germany, once you start to devalue life, once you start to say, hey, maybe we can kill the young and the elderly because they don't have a life worth living, it goes awry quickly.
00:28:51.180And so it's it is not just about that one patient that you don't have to help kill.
00:28:59.620But it is also, I hope, drawing a line in the sand that says physicians first do no harm.
00:29:13.100You're exactly right, Glenn, because we have lost the overall purpose of medicine, which for millennia has been to heal the patient, not to kill the patient, but to heal the patient.
00:29:27.740And if they suffer from a terminal disease, to help them as much as possible, to limit the suffering, to come alongside them, to support them, but never, ever should we be hastening that death.
00:29:42.460And this is exactly where medicine is going, unfortunately, across many areas of the country.
00:29:47.300So we're very thankful, again, for the help of ADF and for the New Mexico legislature listening to this lawsuit and recognizing the importance of of of looking and accepting the conscientious rights of health care professionals.
00:30:04.900Chris Chandeville is senior counsel for ADF.
00:30:12.200You are fighting a battle just like this now in California, aren't you?
00:30:17.300We are. We are, Glenn. Thanks so much for having me on.
00:30:19.820So so what we saw in New Mexico is actually it's very unique.
00:30:24.840You know, oftentimes when when these laws are passed, legalizing assisted suicide, what we've seen in state after state is that the so-called safeguards that are supposed to be put in place and even protections for conscience beliefs.
00:30:41.040Number one, they don't last and they don't work.
00:30:44.420And so California is a really good example of that.
00:30:46.960So that when they first passed their law, they did put in so-called protections for medical professionals like Dr.
00:30:53.480Barrows. But it wasn't too long after that, that they amended their law to take away those protections, thus prompting our lawsuit.
00:31:00.360So we're we're really thrilled and excited by what we saw happen in New Mexico.
00:31:05.780Probably one of the first, maybe the first times that we've seen a law like this get amended in a positive direction.
00:31:13.200So we're really hopeful that not only are we going to start stemming the tide of this wave of legislation across the country, but that we might even be able to start turning that tide as people learn more about what's actually at stake with these laws.
00:31:25.920Doesn't this also kind of bleed over into the push now to have all doctors, no matter what their their religious belief, they've got to participate in some way or another in abortions?
00:31:40.820Absolutely. I think it's a part of this broader push to really weaponize the medical profession to advance a radical, a radical political agenda, whether that's with end of life issues, as we're discussing today, whether that's at the beginning of life with forced participation in abortion,
00:32:00.260whether that's with sex change surgeries and all of the procedures that go along with that, that doctors are being now told that they have to participate in as the price of practicing medicine.
00:32:13.400And what Dr. Barrows and the other doctors that we represent are standing up and saying is that, you know, the medical profession is supposed to be about helping and healing people.
00:32:21.840It's not supposed to be about hurting and killing people as this radical agenda proposes.
00:32:29.400And again, we're just thrilled that we're already starting to see victories on the ground like we saw in Mexico.
00:32:34.060And we're very optimistic that as more people learn that that is that these laws are going to drive good, excellent doctors like Dr. Barrows out of the medical profession,
00:32:45.720that people are going to stand up and say, you know, we're not we're not going to allow that to happen here in America.
00:32:49.940So, Dr. Barrows, let me ask you, I'm so concerned at what's happening in Canada because they're just ahead of us and they're already having physicians assist suicide for depressed teenagers.
00:33:05.340But it's not just the law that is doing it.
00:33:09.920There is this push in medicine, especially at the the the school level, our universities that are teaching our next doctors are discriminating on, you know, gender care.
00:33:26.280If you disagree with any of this woke stuff, you're going to have a harder time getting in.
00:33:30.700So we're spoiling the next group of doctors that are going to replace you.
00:33:36.640Is there is there any battle, real significant battle and pushback to this stuff in the in education?
00:33:43.260Well, Glenn, you're you're again hitting a very important point.
00:33:48.940Not only has Canada crossed into the provision of assisted suicide to younger people, but they've also crossed the threshold into euthanasia, which is what we want to avoid here in the United States at all costs.
00:34:01.260But especially in regards to what you were talking about with Chris and training in OBGYN or for medical students, it's one thing for a practicing physician who has established themselves and they've got a practice to be able to refuse to engage in either assisted suicide or an abortion.
00:34:19.380It's quite another when you are a senior medical student or a first year resident in obstetrics and gynecology where you're being put in a position where you're told you have to assist in an abortion and what student has the ability to understand my whole education could be threatened if I refuse.
00:34:39.360And this is what we're seeing happening more and more across the country in all kinds of medical education scenarios.
00:34:47.220And frankly, we're quite worried for our students and residents and trying to look for ways to be able to protect them.
00:34:54.580Yeah. Anything we can do to help you, let us know.
00:34:57.800Dr. Barrows, thank you for everything you've done and thanks for helping stand up and congratulations and thanks to Dr. Lacey as well.
00:35:04.600And if you would like to help in this fight, ADFlegal.org.