The Glenn Beck Program - April 14, 2023


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475

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Glenn and Jason talk about the latest in the Dobbs vs. Dobbs case and how the FBI is working to find the leaker. They also discuss the latest on the National Guardsman accused of leaking classified documents to the New York Times.

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00:00:20.720 The first thing we take on is that story.
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00:02:43.660 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:02:52.040 Jason joins us.
00:02:53.620 Jason is the head of research for the broadcasts that I do.
00:02:59.460 And also the guy who watches over, you know, global problems that have anything to do with the military.
00:03:08.700 And the guy who has the most illegal search history in the entire company.
00:03:12.800 And that includes Jeffy.
00:03:14.640 Yeah.
00:03:16.340 Yeah.
00:03:16.960 You know, it's really scary when you say, you know, you research something and then you go by his office and he's sitting there.
00:03:23.140 Dark room.
00:03:24.500 You're like, are you OK?
00:03:25.900 And he's like, on the dark web.
00:03:27.700 I think I'm finding some really good stuff.
00:03:30.960 That's probably not the right words.
00:03:33.460 Good stuff on the dark web.
00:03:35.040 Anyway, Jason is here because yesterday the FBI arrests the National Guardsmen linked to the Pentagon Classified Documents leak.
00:03:47.300 Now, I saw the pictures from the sky.
00:03:53.420 Can we let's see if they match what I saw?
00:03:56.020 Because it didn't look like the FBI.
00:03:57.640 That looked a lot like.
00:04:01.540 Army people.
00:04:04.020 Oh, yeah.
00:04:05.080 The vehicle, certainly vehicles are now when they were walking out, they had like four rifles.
00:04:11.980 They were all in the camo.
00:04:13.860 Is that how our FBI dresses now?
00:04:16.480 Do we just not?
00:04:18.180 Are all norms gone?
00:04:20.860 Now, I have to hand it to our FBI because this is this could have been anybody, anybody in the world.
00:04:30.520 And they found him.
00:04:32.040 OK, they found him this quickly.
00:04:34.440 Congratulations.
00:04:35.680 Now, they still don't know who leaked the Dobbs decision.
00:04:39.680 And there's only 12 suspects there.
00:04:43.220 But I'm sure they're working on it.
00:04:46.560 I'm sure they're working on it.
00:04:47.600 Now, I brought Jason in because, Jason, you were in, and I hate to say it, military intelligence.
00:04:56.100 That's correct.
00:04:57.180 And you were in military intelligence.
00:04:58.780 So, you know this stuff.
00:05:00.320 Yeah.
00:05:00.600 OK.
00:05:01.340 So, tell us what he is accused of doing.
00:05:04.820 So, that.
00:05:05.940 According to the New York Times.
00:05:07.320 So, there was that, you know, batch of classified documents that ended up on a Discord server,
00:05:11.720 which gamers use to talk to each other while they play games.
00:05:15.560 But it was on this Discord server.
00:05:17.780 And somehow, it went from the Discord server to eventually getting leaked out onto Telegram, places like that.
00:05:23.560 But these are, my first thought was when I saw this break yesterday, I'm like, he's 21 years old.
00:05:29.240 He's a National Guardsman, and he has access to these kinds of top-secret documents?
00:05:35.760 How's that possible?
00:05:36.780 So, these kinds is very important to this story.
00:05:39.700 Because when you look at the classified documents, and yes, I do have a copy of the classified documents.
00:05:45.080 I mean, I don't have a copy of the classified documents.
00:05:47.460 It was him.
00:05:49.500 There's a, at the top of it, it'll say like.
00:05:51.400 Somewhere, Merrick Garland is laughing right now.
00:05:53.500 Yeah.
00:05:54.100 Finally.
00:05:55.200 Go, go, go.
00:05:57.740 On these classified documents, it says top-secret at the top, you know, and it also has like their special access program, SAP, or sensitive compartmentalized information.
00:06:07.020 So, what that means is, there's top-secret, and then above that, if you get cleared, there's SCI or SAP, which means you're read into certain things.
00:06:16.280 Okay.
00:06:16.520 So, just because you have a top-secret clearance, you can't just be like, hey, I want to know who really shot John F. Kennedy.
00:06:21.200 It's got to be in there somewhere.
00:06:22.640 You can't go searching for that type of stuff.
00:06:24.220 Okay, so wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:06:25.180 He had access to this computer link?
00:06:28.180 Yeah, so the computer, and this came out on the New York Times yesterday.
00:06:31.760 It's been slow drip, which is very odd also from our mainstream media.
00:06:35.140 But last night, the New York Times said that he pulled this information off of something called JWICS.
00:06:41.160 That stands for Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communication System.
00:06:46.100 Okay.
00:06:46.360 So, basically what that is, is that's like an internet service provider.
00:06:50.600 That's like if you have your internet through Verizon or Comcast or something like that.
00:06:55.460 So, it's a secure line.
00:06:58.640 Exactly.
00:06:59.380 Okay.
00:06:59.520 It's not a machine or anything.
00:07:00.740 You plug your computer into a secure line.
00:07:03.200 A JWICS. 1.00
00:07:03.560 Exactly.
00:07:04.340 You can call on it.
00:07:05.580 You can send texts on it.
00:07:06.660 You can send email on it.
00:07:08.080 Okay.
00:07:08.240 Now, saying that he pulled it off a JWICS is like, Glenn, if you have Verizon at your house,
00:07:14.920 and they said, well, Glenn got this information off of Verizon Wireless.
00:07:18.900 Okay.
00:07:19.220 Can I have a little more context there?
00:07:21.440 Was it a text?
00:07:22.560 Was it an email?
00:07:23.560 Was he surfing for it on the internet?
00:07:25.500 What?
00:07:26.160 So, JWICS is just the system.
00:07:27.540 Okay.
00:07:27.980 So, if you got onto that system, though, does it have like a Google page at the front?
00:07:33.320 You're like, Kennedy assassination.
00:07:36.360 And it pops up the information, classified details in Ukraine.
00:07:42.040 No.
00:07:42.360 And it pops.
00:07:42.820 No.
00:07:43.140 No, no, no.
00:07:43.680 Okay.
00:07:43.860 And I'm going to try and tell this with some context that I don't get arrested by an FBI
00:07:48.360 SWAT team.
00:07:49.500 Oh, they're already here.
00:07:50.660 They're probably.
00:07:51.240 Is that right?
00:07:51.720 Let's look out there.
00:07:53.060 So, on that, there's.
00:07:54.460 They park out front.
00:07:55.340 So, yeah, they're just kind of there all the time waiting.
00:07:57.480 I've got a fast vehicle.
00:07:58.160 I'm going to use it if I have to.
00:07:59.260 Here's the thing.
00:07:59.800 This is the honest truth.
00:08:01.080 So, you know, when they come and haul them away, I'm on record saying this.
00:08:04.200 I have nothing to do with this.
00:08:05.360 No.
00:08:06.860 Jason has worked for me for years and has never, ever, not that you have,
00:08:13.860 a bunch of stuff, but you've never diverged or divulged any kind of classified information
00:08:22.460 in any aspect of anybody's life.
00:08:25.080 And also, the system is designed so that I really can't.
00:08:28.500 The system is designed so that a 20-year-old enlisted kid can't get his hands on everything 0.75
00:08:35.400 and anything.
00:08:36.380 It's designed that way.
00:08:37.840 But what you're just describing, like, you know, go to a Google page, whatever, there
00:08:41.420 is something on the JWICS called Intel Link.
00:08:44.540 So, Intel Link is basically, that's like the internet, right?
00:08:47.400 Or that's basically like the computers that are all linked together.
00:08:50.180 There would, it'd be more, I guess it's more like better to describe it as like an intranet.
00:08:54.060 You know, there's a place where you can click on and there's like a group of things here.
00:08:57.100 I mean, like that.
00:08:58.080 Is there like a Wikipedia for secrets?
00:09:00.080 There is.
00:09:00.520 There is a Wikipedia.
00:09:01.840 It's called Intellipedia.
00:09:02.420 Intellipedia, that's for top secret nerds to like say, basically they build like Wikipedia
00:09:07.000 style pages.
00:09:07.920 Okay, so wait, would this National Guardsman, he is with 102nd Intelligence Wing, he's 21
00:09:15.960 years old.
00:09:16.840 Would he have access to Intellipedia?
00:09:20.580 Yes.
00:09:21.220 I think, yes, he would be able to access Intellipedia.
00:09:23.700 I had this, I had a top secret SCI clearance, which is as high as it gets in the military.
00:09:27.980 Um, I would be able to go into the SCIF, the facility where this stuff is at, and I could
00:09:33.860 get onto a, I could get onto one of these terminals that's hooked up to, um, JWICS and
00:09:38.540 I could go to Intellipedia if I wanted to, but the information is a lot more broad there.
00:09:42.420 So it's basically just a bunch of nerds being like, this is what we're seeing in Ukraine.
00:09:45.780 This is what we think should happen.
00:09:47.140 It's not like, it's not these documents.
00:09:49.600 No, no, it's not.
00:09:50.820 Here are the locations of every single Western special forces team.
00:09:54.960 That would be SCI or SAP.
00:09:57.460 Meaning you have to be read into that.
00:09:59.600 You have to have a special login to send that information to and from terminals on the JWICS.
00:10:06.260 Let's just say that, I don't know, the Capitol Police were searching for something and they
00:10:14.200 just happened to walk out of the room and it was there on the screen.
00:10:19.040 Just any way to get it on the screen.
00:10:21.120 Could he print it or take a picture of it?
00:10:24.500 He could take a picture of it.
00:10:25.680 He could, he could take a picture of it on the computer, but that's not what happened.
00:10:29.360 He, he printed it off and then took a picture of it.
00:10:32.180 So how could he, you couldn't have printed it off in the SCIF?
00:10:35.040 There would be a, you could, but there would be a record that someone printed that off in
00:10:39.060 the SCIF, in the SCIF.
00:10:40.140 One of the ways they were, you know, one of the many ways they were able to identify this
00:10:45.020 guy supposedly was that he printed them off, brought them home, put them on his counter
00:10:49.240 and then you could see it was the exact same counter that he had in other photos, right?
00:10:54.160 The counter in his kitchen.
00:10:55.340 Yeah.
00:10:55.480 And there was a reflection of the room and things like that.
00:11:00.340 Again, can't find the secretary of one of the 12 justices that leaked that.
00:11:05.460 That's impossible.
00:11:06.340 They found out because they had a reflection of his furniture in his room.
00:11:09.880 Right.
00:11:10.300 Uh-huh.
00:11:10.920 I tell you, see, this is the way the system worked back when I was in.
00:11:13.980 I heard that they were trying to like modernize the J-Wick system. 0.83
00:11:17.460 Um, as I think it started like last year, a couple of years ago.
00:11:20.900 Oh, okay.
00:11:21.140 So it's like Biden was involved.
00:11:22.640 So modernize it means Chuck Lee went open.
00:11:25.500 Right.
00:11:25.980 Well, I was, I was thinking what, from what they were saying, they were trying to make
00:11:28.480 it even more restrictive than when, when I was in, like it was all going to be cloud
00:11:32.300 based and a lot more like two factor authentication, all these different things.
00:11:35.680 What, what really irritated me about the New York times piece last night was they didn't
00:11:40.660 ask any of these questions.
00:11:42.060 They were just given an acronym and even the, the, what the acronym means.
00:11:45.920 And they said, yeah, he's pull off J-Wicks.
00:11:48.160 Okay.
00:11:49.340 All right.
00:11:49.740 So hang on.
00:11:51.240 Why would the New York times feel the need to ask the government any questions?
00:11:57.560 Especially when they were probably given it.
00:11:59.600 Vivo has the questions here.
00:12:01.400 Yeah.
00:12:01.580 I mean, they seem to have, you know, trusted their government sources for everything and
00:12:07.960 been burned every time as we find out it's false.
00:12:11.520 Why would an editor say, did you ask them these questions?
00:12:15.920 Yeah.
00:12:16.160 It's, I mean, it's, it's almost like they were just given a piece of paper and said,
00:12:19.920 print this.
00:12:20.820 That's the way it felt to me.
00:12:22.060 If you, if I'm at the New York times and I'm actually curious about getting to the bottom
00:12:25.860 of this, because I don't think we're getting the truth, the full story here at all.
00:12:29.740 But I personally would have been like, okay, he got it off J-Wicks.
00:12:32.860 How did he get it off of J-Wicks?
00:12:34.260 Where was it at in J-Wicks?
00:12:35.700 Was it in an email, something that's called ice mail and top secret email on J-Wicks?
00:12:40.200 Was he reading someone's email?
00:12:41.480 Did someone send him an ice mail and this information was on it?
00:12:45.840 Not a, definitely not an FBI agent.
00:12:47.280 What is the full, definitely not an FBI agent.
00:12:49.180 Definitely not an FBI agent.
00:12:50.140 Whatever I say, not an FBI agent.
00:12:53.200 Justice Department had nothing to do with this.
00:12:55.660 I will say that FBI does have access to J-Wicks. 0.94
00:12:58.500 So I'll just put that out there.
00:13:00.900 So does the DOJ.
00:13:02.300 Oh my gosh.
00:13:04.460 I'm not implying anything.
00:13:05.880 They just, I'm just putting it out there.
00:13:07.100 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:13:12.860 Ready, Stu?
00:13:13.520 I'm ready.
00:13:14.180 This is a good one.
00:13:15.020 They're going to love this.
00:13:16.760 A church in North Carolina has again unburdened thousands of families who were struggling.
00:13:23.600 Trinity Moravian Church, I guess it is, in Winston-Salem bought up and canceled nearly $3.3 million in medical debt, belonging to 3,355 families.
00:13:43.380 Wow.
00:13:44.620 According to the dispatch, this is the second year the members of the church have taken part in the Debt Jubilee Project, which assumes past due medical bills of residents in the area.
00:13:56.780 Through the project, congregants previously purchased $1.65 million of debt, liberating 1,300 people from the Forsyth and Davison counties.
00:14:09.040 When an individual fails to pay their outstanding medical bill, the medical company that is owned hires a debt collection agency.
00:14:20.320 When the agency can't get the money in its collection efforts, the debt is sold to third-party collection agencies, and these are the sharks.
00:14:31.100 These are the ones that will hunt you down, and they pay pennies on the dollar just to help recoup any loss.
00:14:38.320 The dispatch indicated that these third-party agencies have a legal right to either collect or forgive the debts.
00:14:48.700 In partnership with RIP Medical Debt in New York, the Debt Jubilee Project exercised its right to do the latter.
00:15:00.740 Reverend John Jackman, the pastor of the church, said most of these families were making a go of it until somebody had to go to the hospital for a few days or to the doctor for some serious medical condition.
00:15:14.520 We can't fix the system, so this is the best we can do.
00:15:19.840 The Jubilee Project raised $15,000, and with that, we were able to go in and bid and buy $3,295,863.64 in medical debt in Davis County.
00:15:35.060 On March 26th, the church held a ceremony.
00:15:42.780 Some of the poorer folks that we deal with get medical bills of $1,000 or $3,000, and it might as well be $10 million.
00:15:50.200 I think it's time we say that's forgiven.
00:15:53.900 I think it's time for relief.
00:15:56.980 You've got to eat.
00:15:57.920 You've got to take care of your children.
00:15:59.340 You've got to do what you have to do just to live.
00:16:01.660 So they got together in the church.
00:16:05.380 They had a service.
00:16:07.620 Then they took all of that debt and burned it in Jubilee and then let everyone know, don't worry about that anymore.
00:16:18.760 I think that's one of the greatest things I've ever heard.
00:16:23.400 For, what was it, $15,000?
00:16:27.600 $15,000.
00:16:28.840 Wow, for $15,000, they were able to buy that much debt?
00:16:33.560 $3 million.
00:16:34.300 $3 million worth of debt.
00:16:35.220 Oh, my gosh.
00:16:36.120 Okay, so I'm going to put up the first $15,000.
00:16:40.500 Who will join me?
00:16:41.840 Who will join me today?
00:16:43.240 That's great.
00:16:44.260 Because I've heard that you could buy debt cheaper.
00:16:49.000 I've heard some organizations doing this type of thing, but $15,000 will buy you millions of dollars in debt?
00:16:55.080 $3 million in debt.
00:16:56.880 This is like the last of the last.
00:16:59.400 Yeah.
00:16:59.500 So this is given to the guys who are like, go get them.
00:17:03.060 Right.
00:17:03.740 You know what I mean?
00:17:04.440 The people that harass you and say, hey.
00:17:06.380 Yeah, they're just the worst of the worst.
00:17:08.060 And if you've ever had debt, you know, I've had debt, you know, when I was young that had to be collected on.
00:17:15.940 And then I add debt that wasn't mine, that these guys wouldn't leave me alone.
00:17:21.220 That's the kind of people that you're dealing with here.
00:17:23.720 You're giving them freedom from that.
00:17:27.460 And, you know, this isn't deadbeat debt.
00:17:29.460 This is medical debt.
00:17:32.460 Right.
00:17:32.600 And it has to be debt that they know about.
00:17:36.980 They know.
00:17:37.440 Oh, yeah.
00:17:37.700 But I'm saying that they have no anticipation of ever collecting, right, to get that sort of price.
00:17:44.600 So these people are really at the end of their ropes.
00:17:47.620 And you're taking this away from them?
00:17:49.200 That's, I mean, that's incredible.
00:17:50.820 What a great idea, right?
00:17:53.080 Now, this, of course, will be criticized by the left.
00:17:55.300 They'll, you know, this happened, even Mr. Beast had to get criticized for this type of thing.
00:18:01.720 Because this just shows that our system is so bad.
00:18:06.840 And it shows how evil our system is.
00:18:09.160 Why don't we just have everyone have no debt?
00:18:12.160 You know, that is what they will say.
00:18:14.580 No, because somebody has to pay.
00:18:16.640 And when we can, I think this is a great thing for churches, when you can pay that, let's pay it.
00:18:24.920 You know, let's help each other.
00:18:27.180 We've, this again, this is the kind of stuff that I've been looking for.
00:18:31.560 Who's going the extra mile in a unique way just to help people in meaningful ways?
00:18:39.000 These are the people who are probably the poorest of the poor.
00:18:41.660 I mean, you have $1,000 of medical debt and you can't find a way to pay it off.
00:18:46.640 You're the poorest of the poor.
00:18:49.000 And, and you're hassled and you're afraid to pick up the phone.
00:18:52.540 And, I mean, this is great.
00:18:55.860 This is great.
00:18:56.600 Hats off to this, this church.
00:18:58.920 Hats off.
00:18:59.740 I think this is wonderful.
00:19:01.220 Now, I went to RIP medical debt.
00:19:04.840 And, uh, I haven't had my researchers look into it yet to see, you know, I want to make sure it's not some.
00:19:13.240 Before you guarantee a charitable donation, you may want to, just to make sure, no knock on these people or anything.
00:19:18.380 I think it sounds like a great idea, but you never know.
00:19:20.320 Sounds great.
00:19:21.420 Sounds absolutely great.
00:19:22.920 But I want to make sure that they are, um, you know, this isn't some woke front or, you know, something like that.
00:19:30.820 I want to make sure this money is actually going and what's happening is actually happening.
00:19:37.060 Uh, so, join me.
00:19:39.920 Yeah, join me.
00:19:40.620 You should do that before you give any charitable donation, by the way.
00:19:42.640 Always.
00:19:43.160 Always.
00:19:43.480 Even the ones that we recommend.
00:19:45.080 Even mine.
00:19:46.240 Yeah.
00:19:46.540 Mercury One.
00:19:47.340 Check it out.
00:19:48.320 Mm-hmm.
00:19:48.480 Make sure that it has, you know, the right ratings and, uh, you know, that it's, it's, uh, using your money to the, the best, uh, here's what a guy, he was a president of Goldman Sachs at one point, before Goldman Sachs was bad, or at least we knew they were bad.
00:20:04.520 Um, he said to me, I said, I don't know how to be charitable.
00:20:09.880 I grew up in a poor family.
00:20:11.520 I, I, I, I don't know how to do it.
00:20:14.220 And I just don't want to just, you know, just slosh money around.
00:20:17.900 I want to make sure it's going to the right things.
00:20:20.600 And, um, he said, I look at, um, charitable funds as investments, but you're investing in people.
00:20:29.700 So, what are the people you want to affect?
00:20:35.220 What are you, are you trying to get them an education?
00:20:38.040 You trying to help feed them?
00:20:40.280 What is it that you want to support?
00:20:44.240 And then find the organizations that deliver the most amount of that dollar to the actual end recipient.
00:20:54.860 Look at it as an investment.
00:20:56.680 And I have, and that's what you should do when you're looking for, uh, charities who can get it to the person.
00:21:05.020 That's one of the nice things about like give, send, go is it's, it's going right to the people because the people set it up.
00:21:14.680 Um, but I think this is fantastic.
00:21:17.240 And I, I would, oh my gosh, can you imagine, you imagine how many, how many people that are struggling under, under debt that this audience could relieve?
00:21:28.800 How cool would it be to just be able to call these people and just say, Hey, forget about your debt.
00:21:37.580 Imagine that.
00:21:38.460 That would be great.
00:21:39.740 That would be great.
00:21:41.180 And if that, I wonder, you know, what market forces would be applied if you tried to do this on a mass scale, right?
00:21:48.520 Like $15,000, maybe you can get the cheapest of the cheap.
00:21:51.920 It's got to get more, the debts gets more expensive, the more likely they are to collect it.
00:21:56.240 Right?
00:21:56.440 So you'd wonder if you put, if you try to buy a million dollars, would that have the same ratios?
00:22:02.980 Probably not, but still it would be do a lot of good for a lot of people.
00:22:06.000 I have a feeling it, it would, um, this organization, again, I don't know enough about it, but this organization, you know, they have, uh, they have things like for here, Dallas, Fort Worth.
00:22:22.100 They have an $80,000 goal, 82% of it is raised for Dallas debt, uh, Western, uh, Michigan, uh, Athens, Clark County, Georgia.
00:22:32.300 You can find the regions that you want to give to, and they have done millions and millions and millions of dollars.
00:22:41.560 I, I, I think this is great if they are indeed who they say they are.
00:22:47.480 I'm sure there's some organization doing this well and right.
00:22:49.600 And it may be this, we'll check into it.
00:22:50.960 And if, it may be, if, if this is the right one to have somebody on about it, to talk about it, I think it'd be interesting to, I think a lot of people want to do good for people without.
00:22:59.180 You know, all the nonsense, you know, I think a lot of these, these causes that are out there, it scares people away from giving their charitable dollars.
00:23:08.700 Cause they see how many of these things they've given to in the past that turn out to be doing things that, you know, you don't want, uh, you don't want to be associated with.
00:23:17.260 Right.
00:23:17.540 So hopefully, hopefully this is clean.
00:23:19.880 Yeah.
00:23:20.180 Hopefully this is clean.
00:23:21.200 Yeah.
00:23:21.640 But we'll see.
00:23:22.360 Cause once we call them and say, Hey, our audience wants to help.
00:23:26.460 We don't want anything to do with you.
00:23:27.860 It's always a good indication.
00:23:28.860 We don't want your money.
00:23:30.160 We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll know right away.
00:23:32.040 But again, this North Carolina church, fantastic.
00:23:36.220 Absolutely fantastic.
00:23:40.520 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:23:48.480 All right.
00:23:49.560 It's sick, twisted freak.
00:23:50.920 Let's get right to some good news.
00:23:53.400 Dr. Jeffrey, uh, Barrows is with us.
00:23:56.440 He is an amazing guy.
00:23:59.380 He serves as the senior vice president of bioethics and public policy for Christian medical and dental associations.
00:24:06.820 Uh, he is an obstetrician gynecologist.
00:24:10.100 Uh, he is a guy who, um, left, you know, daily practice to, uh, work with MEI, which is medical educational international for Christian medical and dental association.
00:24:24.100 He was the director there for forever.
00:24:27.320 Um, he founded later grace Haven, uh, an organization assisting victims of domestic minor sex trafficking in Ohio.
00:24:35.880 He served as the member of the technical working group on health and human trafficking under the department of health and human services.
00:24:43.560 Um, he's an amazing guy and he's ethical.
00:24:47.340 And so when his state said, you have to do, I don't care if you're Christian or not, you have to assist people in suicide.
00:24:56.820 He said, no.
00:24:57.940 And he, and he, and another doctor, I believe it was Dr. Lacey, um, took them to court and by their side is somebody else who's going to be on the phone with us.
00:25:10.220 It's, um, Chris Chandeville.
00:25:12.800 Well, he is the Alliance Defending Freedom Senior Counsel.
00:25:17.320 They won the case.
00:25:18.660 You need to hear about it.
00:25:20.640 Doctor and Chris, welcome to the program.
00:25:23.820 Well, good morning, Glenn.
00:25:25.340 Thank you for having me on.
00:25:26.740 It's great to be with you this morning.
00:25:28.100 Thank you.
00:25:28.640 So, so, um, doctor, tell me what you would have been or people like you would have been forced to do had this not been turned over.
00:25:38.800 Well, I first need to slightly correct you in that New Mexico is not my state.
00:25:45.260 I actually live in Ohio, but I was part of CMDA and we have many members, including Dr. Lacey, in New Mexico.
00:25:54.500 Okay.
00:25:54.880 And if this law had taken place and we had not filed the lawsuit with the help of ADF,
00:26:01.900 our members would have been, first of all, required to tell their patients who they considered as being terminal,
00:26:10.400 maybe having six months or less left to live, about the option of assisted suicide.
00:26:16.840 And then, even if they personally disagreed with it, they were required to make an effective referral
00:26:24.520 if that patient did request assisted suicide.
00:26:28.040 So, we're very thankful that the lawsuit was successful in encouraging and getting the New Mexico legislature to change the law
00:26:37.520 and the governor signed it into law.
00:26:39.560 And it's, as you said, a very big win for our members there in New Mexico.
00:26:44.400 I have to tell you, I mean, I don't understand why doctors can't have their own belief and say,
00:26:52.380 no, you know what, I can't do that, I'm really sorry, but if you, you know, want to do that,
00:26:59.020 you'll have to go to another doctor and you can find them, they're out there.
00:27:02.260 Why you're required to, you know, name another doctor that they can go to when you so strongly,
00:27:09.840 religiously believe that it is wrong.
00:27:12.020 And if I'm not mistaken, and I, forgive me if I am, but I understand that you have a terminal illness that you've been battling.
00:27:21.600 Is that true?
00:27:22.860 Yes.
00:27:23.280 Yes.
00:27:24.180 A little over a year ago, I was given the diagnosis of stage four non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.
00:27:30.300 And I have made the point that if I lived in New Mexico, my doctor would have been required to tell me about assisted suicide
00:27:40.300 at the same time of giving me that same diagnosis.
00:27:43.840 And I can tell you, being in the patient's position, that would have been devastating to me.
00:27:49.700 I mean, it's hard enough to hear the diagnosis of stage four cancer.
00:27:54.660 And you're wondering, all kinds of things are going through your mind.
00:27:58.080 How long am I going to live?
00:28:00.300 Am I going to be able to beat this?
00:28:02.840 And then to have the doctor go on and say, by the way, here is an option for you.
00:28:06.880 You can go ahead and we'll help you kill yourself. 1.00
00:28:09.860 That is totally the wrong thing to tell a patient at that time, much less make a physician or healthcare professional say that to a patient.
00:28:20.640 So it's not just, though, about the medical profession is becoming, to me, extraordinarily frightening.
00:28:27.520 Because I'm, you know, a student of history.
00:28:31.200 I look back at what we're repeating.
00:28:33.780 And through eugenics and all of the things that happened here in America and in Germany, once you start to devalue life, once you start to say, hey, maybe we can kill the young and the elderly because they don't have a life worth living, it goes awry quickly.
00:28:51.180 And so it's it is not just about that one patient that you don't have to help kill.
00:28:59.620 But it is also, I hope, drawing a line in the sand that says physicians first do no harm.
00:29:10.420 Exactly.
00:29:13.100 You're exactly right, Glenn, because we have lost the overall purpose of medicine, which for millennia has been to heal the patient, not to kill the patient, but to heal the patient.
00:29:27.740 And if they suffer from a terminal disease, to help them as much as possible, to limit the suffering, to come alongside them, to support them, but never, ever should we be hastening that death.
00:29:42.460 And this is exactly where medicine is going, unfortunately, across many areas of the country.
00:29:47.300 So we're very thankful, again, for the help of ADF and for the New Mexico legislature listening to this lawsuit and recognizing the importance of of of looking and accepting the conscientious rights of health care professionals.
00:30:04.900 Chris Chandeville is senior counsel for ADF.
00:30:09.400 That's Alliance Defending Freedom.
00:30:12.200 You are fighting a battle just like this now in California, aren't you?
00:30:17.300 We are. We are, Glenn. Thanks so much for having me on.
00:30:19.820 So so what we saw in New Mexico is actually it's very unique.
00:30:24.840 You know, oftentimes when when these laws are passed, legalizing assisted suicide, what we've seen in state after state is that the so-called safeguards that are supposed to be put in place and even protections for conscience beliefs.
00:30:41.040 Number one, they don't last and they don't work.
00:30:44.420 And so California is a really good example of that.
00:30:46.960 So that when they first passed their law, they did put in so-called protections for medical professionals like Dr.
00:30:53.480 Barrows. But it wasn't too long after that, that they amended their law to take away those protections, thus prompting our lawsuit.
00:31:00.360 So we're we're really thrilled and excited by what we saw happen in New Mexico.
00:31:05.780 Probably one of the first, maybe the first times that we've seen a law like this get amended in a positive direction.
00:31:13.200 So we're really hopeful that not only are we going to start stemming the tide of this wave of legislation across the country, but that we might even be able to start turning that tide as people learn more about what's actually at stake with these laws.
00:31:25.920 Doesn't this also kind of bleed over into the push now to have all doctors, no matter what their their religious belief, they've got to participate in some way or another in abortions?
00:31:40.820 Absolutely. I think it's a part of this broader push to really weaponize the medical profession to advance a radical, a radical political agenda, whether that's with end of life issues, as we're discussing today, whether that's at the beginning of life with forced participation in abortion,
00:32:00.260 whether that's with sex change surgeries and all of the procedures that go along with that, that doctors are being now told that they have to participate in as the price of practicing medicine.
00:32:13.400 And what Dr. Barrows and the other doctors that we represent are standing up and saying is that, you know, the medical profession is supposed to be about helping and healing people.
00:32:21.840 It's not supposed to be about hurting and killing people as this radical agenda proposes.
00:32:29.400 And again, we're just thrilled that we're already starting to see victories on the ground like we saw in Mexico.
00:32:34.060 And we're very optimistic that as more people learn that that is that these laws are going to drive good, excellent doctors like Dr. Barrows out of the medical profession,
00:32:45.720 that people are going to stand up and say, you know, we're not we're not going to allow that to happen here in America.
00:32:49.940 So, Dr. Barrows, let me ask you, I'm so concerned at what's happening in Canada because they're just ahead of us and they're already having physicians assist suicide for depressed teenagers.
00:33:02.140 It's crazy what's going on up there.
00:33:05.340 But it's not just the law that is doing it.
00:33:09.920 There is this push in medicine, especially at the the the school level, our universities that are teaching our next doctors are discriminating on, you know, gender care.
00:33:26.280 If you disagree with any of this woke stuff, you're going to have a harder time getting in.
00:33:30.700 So we're spoiling the next group of doctors that are going to replace you. 0.94
00:33:36.640 Is there is there any battle, real significant battle and pushback to this stuff in the in education?
00:33:43.260 Well, Glenn, you're you're again hitting a very important point.
00:33:48.940 Not only has Canada crossed into the provision of assisted suicide to younger people, but they've also crossed the threshold into euthanasia, which is what we want to avoid here in the United States at all costs.
00:34:01.260 But especially in regards to what you were talking about with Chris and training in OBGYN or for medical students, it's one thing for a practicing physician who has established themselves and they've got a practice to be able to refuse to engage in either assisted suicide or an abortion.
00:34:19.380 It's quite another when you are a senior medical student or a first year resident in obstetrics and gynecology where you're being put in a position where you're told you have to assist in an abortion and what student has the ability to understand my whole education could be threatened if I refuse.
00:34:39.360 And this is what we're seeing happening more and more across the country in all kinds of medical education scenarios.
00:34:47.220 And frankly, we're quite worried for our students and residents and trying to look for ways to be able to protect them.
00:34:54.580 Yeah. Anything we can do to help you, let us know.
00:34:57.800 Dr. Barrows, thank you for everything you've done and thanks for helping stand up and congratulations and thanks to Dr. Lacey as well.
00:35:04.600 And if you would like to help in this fight, ADFlegal.org.
00:35:11.180 They could always use donations.
00:35:15.100 ADFlegal.org.
00:35:16.460 Find the thing that you're passionate about and go in deep.
00:35:21.600 Help them stand against this real evil that is going to last a generation already.
00:35:30.320 If we don't stop it, it's just dark stuff ahead.
00:35:37.660 ADFlegal.org.
00:35:39.180 Na, na, na, na, na.