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Glenn Greenwald takes a look at whether the FBI had a hand in planning the January 6th attack on the Black Lives Matter protest in Ferguson, Missouri, and whether it was actually part of a larger strategy to destabilize the Democratic Party.
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Welcome to the podcast. I hope you celebrated Juneteenth by twerking like so many did across
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the country. The old Juneteenth twerk was in effect and we get into that today. What is the
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truth behind Juneteenth and what sort of mess is America making out of it in the media and on the
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left? There's a new national strategy for domestic terror and this one's going to be very interesting
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to you as well as a look into whether the FBI did have informants involved in planning the January
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6th incident. Glenn Greenwald has some perspective on that which is pretty interesting and leads to
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a lot of questions. We have Glenn's fabulous trip to Yellowstone Park that you will not want to miss
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the details of and the truth behind Black Lives Matter. Has it been saving lives or costing black
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You know Chuck Todd thank goodness finally somebody said it came out and said all this critical race
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theory all this you know hey they're changing everything about America. This is all a Trump plan.
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This isn't actually happening. This is just ginning up white people. Let him say it. Here it is.
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Specific to this idea of critical race theory I have to tell you I just spent some time reporting on
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this county in Virginia about an hour outside of Washington and to your point this is something
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that is mobilizing people and resonating very deeply. It was about a hundred degree day. Dozens and
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dozens and dozens of parents mostly white in this largely affluent county showed up to a school board
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meeting. For many of them the very first school board meeting they'd ever attended specifically
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because of this one issue. That's important to note that you mentioned critical race theory a couple
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times. This is a parent-led backlash at the grassroots level. It's manufactured and then sort of
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elected officials have been lit. The fire was lit. I disagree. I think it started because parents have
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had it with the education bureaucracy after COVID. They're fed up with it. They tend to trust Democrats
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when it comes to education funding but they trust Republicans on education accountability. I think
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that what the backlash you're seeing on critical race theory in schools is another example of
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parents trying to hold educators accountable. It's coordinated. It's aggressive. It's intentional.
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Right? This is part of the tribalism play. The critical race theory is yet another tool in the racial
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tribal boogeyman's toolbox to drive and inflame tribalism which Republicans think helps them in
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elections. This is Trump 2.0. This is a continuation of this, right? Critical race theory is an arcane
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sort of ideal. Why is it front center right now? The same reason that Mitch McConnell attacked Stacey
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Abrams when she came out for the voting bill. It is racial. It is tribalism. We've seen it grow under
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Trump and this is part and partial of it and they think this helps ignite their base. There's no way this
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is not grassroots. Brad, you know this is organized and it's being paid for.
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At some point, do they develop a new argument? Is there a point at any time, do they come up with
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an argument they weren't making 50 years ago? At any point, do they develop one new point,
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What do you mean? How do you mean? This is a totally new argument. Critical race theory is an
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arcane idea. It's not really, it's not, doesn't exist. All these white people are being ginned up by
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It's all about politics. This isn't about anything real.
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It's not really. It's interesting because you look at all of the materials that have been unearthed
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by people like Chris Rufo. And I mean, going back to, you know, James Lindsay, you talked to a couple
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years ago, covering a lot of this stuff. This has been flowing through academics first and has now
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gone to all, all elements of society. I mean, people are going to work at, you know, fast food
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restaurants and learning about critical race theory. And we know that only because brave people
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have decided to, uh, to, uh, unearth this and send, no, no, not at all. And what's interesting
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too, is that without COVID likely we wouldn't know half of the stuff that we know now. The re one of
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the reasons why this happened is because people were at home taking these seminars instead of at work
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where they couldn't comfortably film, uh, or record all of the materials and send them to reporters,
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uh, who were cared about this stuff. Instead, they were home and they were on zoom calls and they were
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able to get a lot of this material and send it to people who were able to bring it to America's
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attention. And when you see this stuff going into schools, we've seen it in Texas, Glenn, major
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controversies in Texas where, uh, you know, families are pointing out this incredible, what I would call
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nothing but racism, uh, against, uh, different groups than, than had previously been, uh, the
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victims of it. But the bottom line is it's still racism. It's still judging people by the color of
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their skin. And that sort of stuff is, is supposed to be what we're avoiding. This is being taught to
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teenagers, to kids in schools all over the country. And if we don't stand up and do something about it,
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it will become the norm. And yes, it is. It is absolutely parent and student led. It is.
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They need the, the, the, we have hit, uh, critical race theory. Critical is the key word. Whenever
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anything is critical, it's usually, uh, a Marxist study. Um, but in this case, it is, uh, critical
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medical attention needs to be paid right now. This is so important to the left. If this fails,
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if we succeed in getting this squashed and exposed, because unless you expose it, unless people know
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what it is and they're saying, well, it was just an arcane theory. It's an arcane theory. Really?
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It's being taught at Harvard. It's being, it started at Harvard and it is a, an arcane legal, uh, uh,
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idea, but it's, it's not just legal. It there, the, the, uh, the people who actually came up with
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critical race theory, talk about it as a movement, a political movement. So it may have started out,
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at Harvard law school, but that's not what it is today. According to the founders of critical race
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theory, the people who designed it, they know this is a way to destroy everything that is America
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destroy it. They know it. And it's very interesting to me that our president, uh, Barack Obama is out
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on the stump again, trying to, uh, Oh, I'm sorry. I've just told Joe Biden is our president. No,
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that's not true. Barack Obama is still our president. Uh, Barack Obama is the one in his
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team. I mean, he said 80% of his team is the one, uh, are, are there at the white house. And Joe Biden
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is just finishing the job he started. So that's why he's out on the trail. And that's why he's trying
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to say to you, Oh, this critical race theory, there's nothing to it. You, you can't lie to us
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about this one. This isn't healthcare. You know, you know, you're, Oh my gosh, you're going to save
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so much money. The average family is going to save so much money. Uh, that didn't happen. Did it
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didn't happen. Did it? You're going to be able to keep your doctor. If you love your doctor didn't
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happen. Did it? Well, we had to project in the future and it came down to who do you trust? And
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Barack Obama is so likable. He's so great. This one, we have evidence. Our children are experiencing
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it right now. You hear anyone say that this isn't a big deal. They are either completely out of touch
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or they are lying to you. The press is circling the wagons around critical race theory because they
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know it is critical for their plan to go through. If they can't finish the indoctrination of the next
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generation, America survives. If they continue the indoctrination, America is over. It is just
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There was a lot of talk last week and we need to pay attention to it and I don't have an answer
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for you, but I do have questions for you. First of all, how is it that the group that used to hate
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the FBI and quite honestly still does hate the FBI because they were the ones that were inflicting
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this racism on all of us? They were making sure that these racist laws were keeping the man down.
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Well, now it seems Democrats, 78% of them love the FBI. 55% of Republicans don't. Now, why is that?
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Because we used to love the FBI. We don't trust them anymore. We don't trust the FBI because too many
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things are going on. And just when the trust of the FBI is being lost, Democrats who hate supposedly
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oppression, big government, law enforcement, they love the FBI. The IRS, only 50% have a positive view
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of the IRS. 50% of Republicans. Damn near 70% of Democrats. 68%.
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Can I just ask you a non-political, who has a positive, who's like, you know what I really like?
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You know who I really like? Oh, those IRS agents, they are so great. I just, they are, I can't wait.
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I've had several of them over for dinner, you know, after, after, you know, my anal probe that they did.
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I thought, you know, you guys are so great. Why don't you come on over for dinner? Who has that?
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The EPA, 66% of Democrats love the EPA, 52% of Republicans. The CIA, 62% of Republicans, 69% of the
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Democrats. All of these things are going up with Democrats. I thought you didn't like the big state.
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I thought, I thought, I thought it, I thought it was coming from the Marxist side that the CIA
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created AIDS. I mean, it certainly came from Russia.
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So why is it that everybody on the left is loving them so much? Because they have fallen into the
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clutches of the left. And no matter what anybody says, the left, the left loves the big state.
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Communism, socialism, Marxism, they love state. So now when someone comes out and says, hey,
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hang on just a second. Was the FBI involved at all in January 6th? The media immediately goes into
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full spin mode, protecting the FBI and talking to people like John Brennan, who is so very credible
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about, is there a possibility that the FBI was involved?
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Well, let's take it from, well, let me take it from Glenn Greenwald, because there's a couple of
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things that Glenn Greenwald pointed out on this, this report that came out from the Revolver News.
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The original report says Glenn Greenwald published by Revolver News and then amplified by Fox News's
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Tucker Carlson documented ample evidence of FBI infiltration of the three key groups at the center
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of the January 6th investigation. The Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the three presenters.
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Noted how many alleged riot leaders from these groups have not yet been indicted, while low-level
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protesters have been aggressively charged with major felonies and held without bail. Many of the alleged
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plot leaders have thus far been shielded from charges. So the first question is, why? If those
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three, the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the three percenters, why weren't the leaders of those
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groups charged? Why were just the low-hanging fruit? Why were they the only ones that got indicted if it
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was something that was coming from these organizations officially? Glenn Greenwald says,
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the implications of these facts are obvious. It seems extremely likely that the FBI had numerous
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ways to know of any organized plots regarding the January 6th riot, just as the U.S. intelligence
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community, by its own admission, had ample advanced clues to the 9-11 attack, but according to their
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excuse, tragically failed to connect the dots. There is no doubt that the FBI has infiltrated at least
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some, if not all of these groups, which it has been warning about for years that they pose a grave
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national security threat with informants and or undercover FBI agents. It is known that the
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Proud Boy leaders, Enrique Taro, has served as an FBI informant in the past, and the disrupted
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2020 plot by the three percenters, the members that tried to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer, was shaped
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and driven by what the Wall Street Journal reported were FBI undercover agents and confidential informants.
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What would be shocking and strange is not if the FBI had embedded informants and other infiltrators
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into the groups planning the January 6th Capitol riot, what would be shocking and strange, bizarre
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and inexplicable, is if the FBI did not have those groups under tight control. And yet the suggestion
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that the FBI informants may have played some role in the planning of the January 6th riot was instantly
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depicted as something akin to the 9-11 truthers, the COVID lab leak theory, which turns out to be true,
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the CIA's role in the assassination of JFK. This reaction is partly confounding given how often
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the FBI did exactly this during the first war on terror and how commonplace discussions of this
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tactic were in the mainstream liberal circles. Over the last decade, I reported, according to Glenn
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Greenwald, on countless cases for the Guardian and the Intercept, where the FBI targeted some young
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American Muslims they viewed as easily manipulated due to financial distress, emotional problems,
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or both, and then deployed informants and undercover agents to dupe them into agreeing to join terrorist
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plots that had been created, designed, and funded by the FBI itself, only then to congratulate
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themselves for breaking up the plot which they themselves initiated. As asked in one headline about
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this particularly egregious entrapment case, why does the FBI have to manufacture its own plots if
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terrorism and ISIS are such grave threats? Mother Jones even published, he says, an outstanding lengthy
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investigation by a reporter entitled The Informations, which asked, the FBI has built a national or a
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massive network of spies to prevent another domestic attack, but they are busting terrorist plots,
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or are they leading them? He goes on to show story after short story where the FBI was getting into
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groups or creating groups and then targeting the most vulnerable, the lowest on the ladder, and then
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involving them in some sort of a plot and then arresting. If this is true, and this is a pattern, which he says
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it is, then the FBI, why wouldn't they be doing that in the January 6th attack on the Capitol? And there are
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several things that say that something is wrong here. For instance, there are thousands of hours of videotape, of
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surveillance. Why have the surveillance tapes not been released? Now, you could say it's because it shows
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some good things, but they would point out that it might show that the FBI or the local police were
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actually letting some of these people in. Also, we know that Parler alerted the FBI days before, saying that
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there is something going on for January 6th. Why didn't the FBI move on that?
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Now, they're talking about how the unindicted co-conspirators, and this is the argument that is going back and
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forth with the media, that the unindicted co-conspirators are FBI agents, or maybe they're not FBI agents. We don't know,
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yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. And they're saying this is destroying the point of Tucker Carlson and the revolver and
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Glenn Greenwald. But he says, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. It doesn't refer to FBI informants or operatives
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as unindicted co-conspirators. It doesn't usually refer to FBI informants like that. However, numerous references
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to Person 1 or Person 2 could very well, indeed the case of the FBI-directed plot to kidnap Governor
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Whitmer, could list them this way. In the Whitmer case, it was CHS 1, CHS 2, confidential human source.
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That's how the FBI informants drove the plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer. That's how they were referenced.
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These are common tactics, says Glenn Greenwald, that they use to reference the acts of their own
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informants without revealing their identity. Now, he says, even if all of that doesn't play a role,
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he says there's a bigger question that has to be answered. And nobody seems to be asking this.
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How is it remotely credible the FBI did not have informants in these three groups that they've
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been identifying as major threats for years, especially given the reporting that the leader
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of the Proud Boys, conveniently arrested the day before January 6th, was an FBI informant in the
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past, along with a confirmed reporting that the FBI had multiple informants in the Michigan Three
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Percenters case? So if this is so crazy and the FBI was taken by surprise, why have they been saying
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this is so dangerous, but they don't have any informants inside? Why are the low-level protesters
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being charged with major crimes while the alleged organizers of this riot and the leaders of
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these groups have not been charged? Why are the enormous amounts of video surveillance footage
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from January 6th still being held? What happened to the alleged planting of pipe bombs near the
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Capitol? Why did the FBI not take more aggressive action given the once denied but now confirmed fact
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that social media platform Parler sent the FBI advanced warnings of specific plots of the use of
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violence at the Capitol? So if the FBI had all of this information and did nothing, that's really
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important that we find out why. Is it another intelligence failure? I thought we corrected that
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with 9-11. Why did this happen? Why did their, why were they informed and not do anything? Why did
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they say this was such a great, these three groups are grave, grave problems, but they didn't have any
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intel on them? Those things don't make sense. And they could just be that the FBI sucks. It could also be
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there's something else going on. What's the, uh, what, how would you summarize the accusation here
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from, you know, uh, Glenn Greenwald and Tucker Carlson? Like is the idea that essentially the FBI,
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uh, they had informants and they tried to dupe low level people into starting this attack, like,
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like as he insinuates kind of with the Islamic terrorism cases in the past. And then it,
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they just allowed the, the January 6th thing to happen without preparing it to bust low level
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members of these groups. Like what, what, what's the, what's the working theory here?
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I would say that that is the working theory. I'm not saying that that's a true theory. I don't know,
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but there's enough questions to be asked now, um, because some things just don't make sense. And
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they do allegedly, according to Glenn Greenwald and others, they have done this with low level Muslims,
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um, and, um, and, and, and people, they, they deemed easy picking. Right. And so they've done it
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before. They did it with, uh, Gretchen, Gretchen Whitmire, where they were involved in the planning
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of the kidnapping, et cetera, et cetera. And so it's kind of the chicken and the egg, which one came
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first? Did the FBI come in and plant these seeds? Uh, or did the FBI come in and just watch it and
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play along and then grab them? Were they already doing that? It seems to me a notable difference
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between these situations is that the attack happened, right? Like the riot occurred where like,
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if you're going to, if you're going to lure and dupe in some low level Muslim terrorists into a fake
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terrorist attack, you don't actually blow up the building at the end. Right. And here, like there's
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this riot to take over the Capitol that was planned by some of them. And then they didn't actually plan,
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they didn't plan to stop it in any way. So are they, the actual, you know, riot occurred.
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So the, so the, the accusation there is, is, and it's not even an accusation, it's a question.
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Sure. Is there an element of the FBI that wanted this to happen, allowed this to happen,
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um, to be able to come up with more, you know, a new Patriot Act, a new war on terror. That's the
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question that has to be answered, uh, through the answering of the other questions. Like if this
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was the biggest threat and you guys said it, those three organizations, if they were such a threat,
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why didn't you stop it? Why did it happen? You had informants there you had to have. And if you
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didn't, why didn't you, they should, they should have had it. So it's there for sure. They should
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have. And it's, it's unreasonable to think that they didn't. And if you were informed by Parler,
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why didn't you stop it? Is there a new war on terror? And the answer is, uh, yeah, it kind of
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looks, it kind of looks like it. Now I don't know about the FBI connection, but that's the way the
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White House is moving. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. And we really want to thank
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you for listening. I want to play some audio here on June 9th. A father in Illinois went to a school
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board meeting and ranted about the use of critical race theory in schools. Now this is notable for a
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couple of reasons. One, if he's opposing critical race theory being taught to children, he must hate
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black people. And two, it's difficult for him to be accused of hating black people because he is
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black. Oh, here it is. Here it is. What I want to talk about when we think about critical race theory,
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what comes to mind? What comes to mind? When you say the word critical, what comes to your mom? You
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think about the word critical? I have two degrees in medicine. You know what critical means to us?
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Critical means that the person is almost getting ready to die or they will surely will die.
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So when you say critical race theory, you might think of it in the sense of, oh, this information
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is critical that they know as of the upper and important. But when I think about critical race
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theory, I think about critical as in this is getting ready to kill something or kill somebody.
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Yeah. I mean, we went on to. So this went to really explain how, how can he be oppressed if he's got two
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medical degrees? Who's impressing him? Well, well, the, the left, you know, did their best to discredit
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him trying to pick apart his educational history, which is interesting and predictable because, you
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know, they say this guy has been kept down by the white man. You have to show that he hasn't
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accomplished anything. And that puts the left into an awkward position of attempting to destroy the
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reputation of a black man in order to keep their narrative that they are for the black man. It's a very
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awkward thing, but awkward really is what the left is good at. They're really good at that.
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It's true. What they are absolutely not good at is protecting black lives. That does not seem to be
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an interest at all for them. They don't care about black lives. They're like 973rd on their priority
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list. And that's behind money and power. And I believe vacation homes, depending on the district.
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Well, and, and Juneteenth, the holiday they had never heard of until just recently, but that's
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just us. So we're just evil conservatives saying those things. I mean, you have to look at the data
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and the data of course shows, well, something very clear. So there's a new study out, um, not being
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talked about that much in the media from the social science research network. It's authored by a PhD
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student in economics at the university of Massachusetts Amherst. Guy's name is Travis Campbell. He decided to look
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back at black lives matter as a movement and try to quantify how well it actually did. He studied BLM
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from its birth in 2013 to 2019. Now, of course, this does not include, does not include the terrible race
00:30:07.880
riots that went on last year, uh, and the violent, uh, nonsense that went around the entire country, but it looked
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at the situation. None of that is included. No, none of that is included. That year was not included
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at all. So this is just from like the very beginnings of it. And they basically looked at it and they
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said, okay, we know that some areas had lots of BLM protests against police violence, and we know many
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did not. So if BLM was a positive force in stopping police violence, then you would expect that the areas
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with the protest would see that type of violence go down. Right? Right. And did that happen? Well,
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before we answer, you should know that the author of this paper does not appear to be exactly a
00:30:54.860
conservative in any way. What? I mean, it is the University of Massachusetts Amherst. They might not
00:31:00.900
be burning witches anymore in Massachusetts, but Salem is just a couple of hours away. And I'm pretty
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sure conservatives are more flammable than witches. So, so, so did the study, did they find that the
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BLM protest led to a decrease in officers committing homicides against civilians? Yes. Yes or no? It
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actually did. Yes. Um, but stay with me for a second here. This is a quote from the study. Estimates
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suggest that census places with BLM protests experienced a 15 to 20% decrease in police homicides
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from 2014 to 2019. It's about a 300 fewer police homicides. This fall in lethal use of force fell
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over time and became prominent when protests were large or frequent. Hey, so it's good, right? Yeah,
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exactly. Uh, more BLM protests lead to less police homicides. Case closed, right? Well, first of all,
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we have to examine the term police homicides for a second. This is where you always go wrong and try to
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get sticky and tricky. Yeah. Okay. So let's look into the term. How do they define it? We've seen so
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many TV shows with homicide in it that you just assume murder when you hear the word homicide,
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but homicide is not a murder. It is a word that gives the impression to the average person that
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you're talking about a murder or an unjust killing. But the legal definition of homicide is the killing of
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a human being due to an act or omission of another included among homicides are murder and manslaughter,
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but not all homicides are a crime, particularly when there is a lack of criminal intent. So the study
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doesn't measure unjust uses of police force. It measures uses of force generally, some of which,
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most of which are entirely justified. For example, one of the sources they use for the study is a
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database on police shootings in the Washington Post, which indicates 999 people were shot and killed by
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police in 2019. Of course, of those 999 people, it's important to note because of this context that
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only 251 were black. That's 25%. In that group of black people killed by police are David Anderson and
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Francine Graham, both black and both needlessly gunned down by police immediately following their
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visit to a kosher store in Jersey City, where they killed three people, which followed their murder
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of a police officer who was questioning them about another murder that was, uh, that occurred a week
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earlier. So I would say those are justified. Yeah. Um, all right. Yes. So it's true, Glenn. Police did
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kill two black people that day as they were in the middle of an active shooter spree where they were
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targeting Jews in support of their black Israelite ideology. So, uh, give that one a ranking of
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completely justified. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. I still stand by the study found BLM protests
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associated with 300 less deaths by police over six years. And you have to ask yourself, Stu, why,
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why, why did that happen? Well, there's several possibilities. And I will say Vox actually covered
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some of this, uh, to their credit. Uh, they were one of the only ones who did, uh, in the study,
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they say first, uh, what was the reason for the less, uh, less police homicide, fewer police homicides.
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First, they observed an increase in the use of body cameras and different types of community policing.
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It's possible that in response to BLM protests, police departments implemented reforms like
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body cameras that reduce the lethal, lethal use of force. Um, look to me, there's no one who benefits
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more from body cameras than the police themselves because they actually are able to tell the truth
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about what happened. Um, but as Vox notes, there's not really convincing data that that would occur for
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the, uh, account for these differences. So the second mechanism is that civilians are becoming more
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wary of the police in the aftermath of these protests and the publicizing of instances of
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police homicides. That could mean that people call nine one one or less or engage with police officers
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less on their own volition, which has the effect of reducing civilian police interactions and thereby
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fatal interactions as well. Okay. All right. So wait a minute. So people are more scared of the police.
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So they're not calling the police when they have, when they have something because they're afraid
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that somebody is going to get shot because you look, she was just trying to bash her head in.
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That's all she, that's all she was trying to do. She just had a knife pointed at her chest and, uh,
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and we shouldn't call the police. These are just kids having another knife fight, Glenn. It's no big deal.
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Sure. Sure. Any other reason? Okay. Yeah. And this one I think is the one that connects with me the
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most, but finally, the third mechanism is something called the Ferguson effect. The supposition that
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protests against police brutality, reduce officer morale and effort due to the intensified scrutiny
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from the community and media. In other words, officers stopped doing their jobs as aggressively.
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This can lead to reduce reduced arrests, especially for less serious crimes like disorderly conduct or
00:36:10.300
marijuana possession. Okay. So the police are tired of being called genocidal maniacs. So
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they're just not getting involved as much. I guess that's the third mechanism, which sounds delightful
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too. So let's take all of this at face value, 300 less police homicides. But remember the overwhelming
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majority of these quote unquote homicides are justified. So the police aren't around to take
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those people out and they don't want to get involved in nasty situations. Yeah. And how do those
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situations play out? Right. Like what if the police aren't around to take out the evil
00:36:46.800
criminals? What happens? Well, the study looked into that too. And what it found, I think would
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shock most people, maybe not in this audience, but most people, the results indicate that civilian
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homicides, civilian homicides increased by 10% following protests, exceeding the fall in lethal
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force due to the relative frequency. Wait a minute, wait a minute. So that says, yes, 300 fewer people
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were killed by police, but a lot more people were killed by civilians because the police weren't
00:37:18.860
around. Is that, do I have that right? Yes. Okay. That's great. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Police shootings
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went down, but murders by civilians went up, way up from, this is from the study from 2014 to 2019,
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there were somewhere between 1,000 and 6,000 more homicides than would have been expected
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if places with protests were on the same trend as places that did not have protests.
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Okay. I just want to make sure I have this right. 300 homicides, which might have been justified,
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might not have been. Okay. Let's just take all of them were just bad cops. 300. They traded the 300
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for anywhere between 1,000 and 6,000 people being killed. Yes. And of course, that sounds like a good
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deal. It does. It does. Good negotiation here. And we, of course, know because of the racial makeup
00:38:14.040
of these areas that these one to 6,000 additional people who were murdered were disproportionately black.
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Do black lives matter? I don't understand exactly. Shooting an unarmed black man who's completely
00:38:28.960
innocent is obviously terrible. But trading every police shooting saved for somewhere between
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3 and 20 murders of civilians is not exactly what I would call black lives mattering. It sounds like
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something designed in a lab by the KKK. No, no. No, no, no. This is unintended consequences.
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This is what happens when you just don't think things through and it's unintended consequences.
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That's all this is. I really don't. I don't think that that's true, Glenn. And I will say...
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You know, you look at this and you say, the overwhelming majority of the police shootings
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are justified, including people who were on active shooting sprees. They're including in these numbers.
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And you're trading that for three to 20 times the amount of people that are dead. Vox sums up this
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study. And to their credit, they did actually show some of these results about BLM causing more black
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lives to end prematurely. But they included this bit, which I think after hearing the details of
00:39:32.160
the study sounds controversial. They say this, protests can do a lot. They can raise awareness,
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create solidarity, or undermine existing relationships, change public opinion, strengthen,
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or weaken institutions and affect the outcome of elections. But according to this study,
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BLM protests also produce their intended effect. I mean, I think that sounds nuts, right? I mean,
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what do you mean by intended effect? Three to 20 times as many people were murdered than saved,
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and you say they produce their intended effect. But I think when you think about it in context,
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they're right. The BLM protests did produce their intended result. It's just that their intended
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result had nothing to do with protecting black lives. It had to do with...
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As you said, power, money, new vacation homes. And as we all know, all of this has come to the BLM
00:40:23.520
founders and allies in record numbers. Trading one criminal for 20 innocent people wasn't
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like the plan per se, but it's like the cost of doing business. Sure, people died, but hey,
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elections were won. Donations poured in. Real estate transactions were completed.
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So I fully agree. BLM protests do produce their intended effect. But maybe it's about time we start