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00:00:06.160 Hello, it's Stu along with Mr. Glenn Beck.

00:00:08.160 And today, the podcast has a lot of really interesting things,

00:00:12.560 including the way we've changed in a very short amount of time,

00:00:17.220 how things just from a few years ago are now completely accepted by the other side,

00:00:23.520 and everybody's switched, and it's really hard to understand.

00:00:26.440 I used to be a woman.

00:00:27.740 Right. I think Glenn used to be a woman, a very attractive woman, if I might say. 0.99

00:00:32.840 Thank you. I appreciate it.

00:00:33.320 And we go into also the alternative spellings discovered by Al Sharpton of Aretha Franklin songs.

00:00:40.400 Oh, it is. Oh, my gosh. It is so good. It is so good.

00:00:45.020 You'll like this. We also talked to a Democrat, Giancarlo Sopo, who is a guy who it's hard to even imagine he is a Democrat

00:00:52.160 because he's saying things about democratic socialism that normal Democrats are supposed to say.

00:00:56.700 He's also saying it about the press and the cover-up of the violence of Antifa.

00:01:01.420 I said to him maybe three times, you're not a Democrat. You're not a Democrat.

00:01:04.760 But he believes that there are a lot of Democrats in the country that just need the courage to speak out,

00:01:12.340 and he's trying to provide the beachhead to say, yes, you have to say it or you're going to lose your party entirely to crazy radicals.

00:01:21.660 We also go to Venezuela, not literally, unfortunately, but we talked to someone who was just there

00:01:27.300 and had to deal with just being able to find food in Venezuela.

00:01:30.720 They were there for two weeks. They lost 14 pounds.

00:01:34.000 Was there a part of you that thought maybe I should go to Venezuela?

00:01:36.040 There was a part of me that went, that's not a bad diet.

00:01:38.420 Yeah.

00:01:38.640 Because I feel like, and I know this isn't true, but I feel like I could do anything for a couple of weeks.

00:01:44.220 In reality, a couple of minutes go by and then I get another sandwich.

00:01:47.140 But in my head, I could do it for a couple of weeks.

00:01:48.980 Yeah, she said it was horrible, and she said she got calls from Venezuela last night.

00:01:53.860 They knew she was going to be on this program, and they said, please tell America this about this program.

00:01:59.740 Yep, and we'll talk about what's going on with the Catholic Church as well, which is interesting

00:02:03.980 and turning into something we're not, it's a little bit different than we've heard so far.

00:02:07.740 Yeah, and we're going to cover that in detail tomorrow, but we had quite an interesting conversation

00:02:12.860 with phone calls today, callers from around the country that are Catholic and just don't know what to think.

00:02:18.620 All on the podcast.

00:02:19.440 It's amazing how much is just coming down, how the walls of everything are, it's almost

00:02:41.140 like a prediction I made about 15 years ago, how everything that you thought was so solid

00:02:46.720 is just coming down, you know, the education system, the Hollywood system, the entertainment,

00:02:54.800 television, media, news, politicians, courts, police, neighbors, I mean, everything.

00:03:04.400 Has your opinion, is your opinion solid on anything?

00:03:09.040 Is your opinion what your opinion was on anything 10, 15 years ago?

00:03:16.720 On anything, well, yes, of course, but there have been changes, there have been changes.

00:03:22.520 I've certainly lost faith in any aspect of government to do anything, correct?

00:03:28.800 Correct.

00:03:29.180 I didn't have a lot of that, but I had some.

00:03:31.840 Yeah.

00:03:32.120 I had some.

00:03:32.800 Yeah, there was definitely a change in that level of trust.

00:03:36.880 I believed in the judicial system.

00:03:39.040 Nope.

00:03:40.500 I mean, you know, I still think it's pretty good if you compare it to anything else, any

00:03:46.020 other judicial system around the world, but, you know, it's definitely, there's been hesitations

00:03:51.460 there.

00:03:51.880 I definitely would have been.

00:03:52.860 I used to believe that, for the most part, justice is done, and it's, and I'm not sure

00:03:58.760 anymore.

00:03:59.840 I've gone through it, and I've seen the underbelly and how politics plays a role and what the government

00:04:07.160 can and can't do, or can and won't do, I'm not sure.

00:04:13.720 I'm not sure.

00:04:14.720 Yeah, there's more abuse of it than I think I would have expected back in those days.

00:04:19.840 And the same thing I think applies to issues of war and privacy, those sorts of things

00:04:25.680 that we've, I think, both moved towards the libertarian way a little bit more.

00:04:29.600 Or, I mean, I was, I was listening to the 2000s on CNN.

00:04:35.660 It happened to pop it.

00:04:36.160 Oh, you're the one watching CNN?

00:04:37.140 I don't know that anyone is.

00:04:38.280 Okay.

00:04:38.440 But I was flipping through the channels, and it was on the 2000s, and they're talking about

00:04:41.620 the rock of the 2000s.

00:04:44.060 And they give the, they're giving examples, and they give Coldplay, and then Nickelback,

00:04:49.460 and their basic concept was that the rock of the 2000s, you know, was, was terrible.

00:04:54.160 Right?

00:04:54.360 Like, this is just like, you know, Coldplay was catchy, Nickelback had a lot of fans, but

00:04:58.300 these, this was, they meant nothing.

00:05:00.000 Rock's supposed to have this message. 1.00

00:05:02.020 Shut up. 0.95

00:05:02.580 They said the one example from the 2000s is Green Day, because they were taking on the 0.99

00:05:08.780 establishment.

00:05:09.660 They stood up.

00:05:10.820 Yeah.

00:05:11.420 And they took a stand.

00:05:13.020 Yeah.

00:05:13.540 And they, they pushed back against the man.

00:05:16.660 Right?

00:05:17.140 That and Pearl Jam.

00:05:18.380 No, well.

00:05:18.820 Yeah.

00:05:19.140 That was more of the, I mean, they were in the 2000s, and so was Green Day from the 90s.

00:05:23.040 Right. 0.96

00:05:23.160 But, uh, the American Idiot was their big example. 0.99

00:05:26.040 If you remember this, it was a big deal at the time. 0.97

00:05:28.900 And they started, you know, they do the typical thing where they have people commentating on

00:05:32.060 it, and then they go back to clips of the song, and they bounce back and forth.

00:05:34.340 And I'm listening, and I, you know, I haven't listened to that song in years.

00:05:36.840 And I remember at the time it being sort of annoying. 0.99

00:05:40.180 I mean, you know, American Idiot, it's so easy. 0.99

00:05:42.500 Right? 0.99

00:05:43.320 But you go back and listen, look at the lyrics to the song, and it's every, it's the exact opposite.

00:05:50.200 These sides have completely changed.

00:05:53.240 Oh, give me, give me the lyrics.

00:05:54.620 Like, so what, what is their complaint there? 1.00

00:05:56.060 You don't want to be an American Idiot. 0.99

00:05:57.380 Do you want to be a nation under the new media? 1.00

00:05:59.640 Right?

00:06:00.260 The media is controlling the agenda, they say throughout.

00:06:03.520 Uh, it's, it's all, it's all about that.

00:06:05.900 Now, of course, it would be the right saying that now, right?

00:06:08.700 Mm-hmm.

00:06:08.900 It's, the media is influencing people the wrong way.

00:06:11.440 Right.

00:06:11.700 They also go into, can you hear the sound of hysteria?

00:06:14.840 It's the age of paranoia.

00:06:16.560 Well, what side is making The Handmaid's Tale right now?

00:06:20.560 It's not the right.

00:06:22.100 It's not even that they're making The Handmaid's Tale.

00:06:24.720 Right.

00:06:24.760 It's praising it.

00:06:25.740 They're praising it and saying, look at the parallels.

00:06:28.760 Exactly.

00:06:29.040 What parallels?

00:06:29.880 There's no parallels.

00:06:30.700 Right.

00:06:31.260 I mean, think about, you know, we have Alyssa Milano out in, uh, in a protest this weekend 0.97

00:06:36.280 in The Handmaid's Tale outfit saying, I think it says, never Kavanaugh, never Gilead.

00:06:42.940 Gilead's the fake country that sprouts up in Handmaid's Tale.

00:06:46.960 That, that we're going to wind up, you know, subjugating women and all these terrible, terrible 1.00

00:06:49.940 things.

00:06:50.980 Combine that with climate hysteria.

00:06:53.200 Who is the paranoia?

00:06:54.580 Where's the paranoia coming from?

00:06:55.980 It's certainly not the right. 0.90

00:06:58.120 So we're talking about the Green Day American Idiot was a stance against the machine. 0.94

00:07:02.240 The machine at the time, as the left saw it, was evil George W. Bush and evil, uh, the 0.99

00:07:09.160 evil media supporting the Iraq war in their mind.

00:07:12.380 Right.

00:07:12.760 So here, now we're on the other side of this.

00:07:14.900 Who's creating the paranoia?

00:07:16.460 Clearly the left.

00:07:17.680 The media is clearly, uh, doing this, the, the controlling the conversation in ways that

00:07:22.840 the right is not uncomfortable with.

00:07:24.220 And then the president, who's a Republican, has the same view of the Iraq war as they did

00:07:30.400 in the song.

00:07:32.240 They both thought it was, so they actually got the, the view on that war that they wanted

00:07:38.840 in office.

00:07:39.440 And they're still constantly complaining about it.

00:07:42.000 I mean, these things change so fast.

00:07:43.800 This is the exact flip of what we're talking about now.

00:07:47.660 And it was this big monumental thing back in the day.

00:07:51.440 It was a, it was an important piece of art according to CNN.

00:07:55.740 So I, you know, I have a couple of things from this weekend that are, that are kind of similar

00:08:00.100 to this. 0.83

00:08:00.500 I went to see crazy rich Asians. 1.00

00:08:02.300 Have you seen that yet? 0.99

00:08:03.140 I did not.

00:08:03.660 Okay.

00:08:04.020 Big movie.

00:08:04.540 That was number one.

00:08:05.180 Really good.

00:08:06.100 Really, really good.

00:08:07.180 It was the first movie with an all, or mostly Asian cast in 25 years.

00:08:11.220 Yeah.

00:08:11.400 It's since the Joy Luck Club.

00:08:13.580 It's really good.

00:08:16.460 And, and funny and fun and yada, yada, yada.

00:08:20.000 But basically, it's a little bit of the great Gatsby scenes where it's just, I mean, it's

00:08:28.400 the, it's the most accurate movie title I've ever, it's crazy rich Asians. 0.99

00:08:33.840 Okay. 0.99

00:08:34.280 I really thought there was irony in the title, but no, it's, they're crazy rich, crazy rich. 0.91

00:08:38.620 Okay.

00:08:39.440 And there it's, it takes place in Singapore and it's about a guy who basically is, you

00:08:48.240 know, he's like a Prince Harry kind of character from Singapore.

00:08:51.360 He's not actually royalty, but wildly famous, the most famous bachelor in Singapore, um, you

00:08:58.380 know, good looking, wildly, wildly wealthy.

00:09:02.580 And I think their grandfather, you know, bought it when it was just like a cricket club and bought

00:09:09.120 all the land, you know, in Singapore and then built Singapore.

00:09:14.400 So they're that rich.

00:09:16.880 Uh, and he, he's educated in Oxford.

00:09:20.100 He moves over to the United States.

00:09:22.160 He doesn't really want that lifestyle and doesn't want to be known as that.

00:09:27.480 So he never tells this girl he's dating.

00:09:29.700 Now this girl he's dating is Chinese and she's an immigrant to America.

00:09:33.780 Her, her mother fled China, um, from a bad situation, comes over to the United States, works

00:09:41.060 two jobs.

00:09:42.060 I mean, is the idyllic American immigrant and works hard.

00:09:47.000 And now her daughter is, is teaching game theory at like Columbia university.

00:09:53.220 Okay.

00:09:54.620 So, um, so now what happens is they go over to Asia.

00:10:03.160 Mom and the family do not want an American Chinese. 0.96

00:10:08.240 She's not Chinese. 0.99

00:10:09.260 She's American.

00:10:10.080 Okay.

00:10:11.440 Oh, so bigotry and racism.

00:10:14.000 Okay.

00:10:14.680 All right.

00:10:15.200 Interesting.

00:10:15.860 Yeah.

00:10:16.380 Um, you know, we, we've got to stop America and redistribution of wealth and, and, uh, oh

00:10:22.160 my gosh, our conspicuous consumption is horrible.

00:10:26.220 Don't worry about asking.

00:10:28.060 Don't worry about us.

00:10:29.280 Uh, capitalism is alive and well in other parts of the world.

00:10:33.500 And the conspicuous consumption, it makes us look tame.

00:10:39.100 It makes us look tame.

00:10:41.640 Uh, and what are you going to do?

00:10:44.040 So we go communists and what happens to them?

00:10:47.080 I mean, it's, yeah.

00:10:49.180 I mean, we actually are starting to head into a place where you probably need to redistribute

00:10:54.840 some of that wealth over to the United States.

00:10:56.980 Well, yeah, uh, that's interesting because there is a, there are certain cultures in

00:11:01.100 which it's okay to, to, uh, you know, aspire to being incredibly wealthy and it's not, it's

00:11:09.240 not, you don't, our politicians all come up in front of you and say, we all aspire to

00:11:13.740 be middle-class and it's like, well, there's nothing wrong with being middle-class.

00:11:17.240 It's, it's great life in America.

00:11:18.680 It's one of the greatest, it's certainly the greatest middle-class life in human history

00:11:22.080 in the United States, but still that's not necessarily what you aspire to.

00:11:25.920 Right.

00:11:26.200 You aspire to, you know, to do even better if you can make life easier, if you can, that

00:11:31.280 doesn't, it's not a downplay against the middle-class, but, but you, you look at, you know, watch,

00:11:34.820 wait until Joe Biden starts this campaign, middle-class Joe, as everyone has called him since

00:11:39.280 he was born middle-class Joe.

00:11:41.200 Now there's no record of anyone calling him that other than himself.

00:11:43.980 Right.

00:11:44.420 However, that is what he's going to hit constantly.

00:11:47.220 Sure.

00:11:47.580 And it's going to be this situation where he is going to tell everyone.

00:11:50.840 I don't want to aspire to a middle-class guy who got rich by going to Congress.

00:11:55.140 Yeah.

00:11:55.620 Terrible.

00:11:55.900 I mean, that's a terrible example.

00:11:57.940 I, I, you know, uh, look, I've been rich.

00:12:00.700 I've been poor.

00:12:02.040 I've been happy both times.

00:12:03.600 I've been happy both times.

00:12:05.640 And sad both times.

00:12:06.540 And sad both times.

00:12:07.420 And periods of sadness as well.

00:12:09.020 I mean, it's just, it's like, it's, it's, that's, that's an illusion.

00:12:13.300 All of that is an illusion.

00:12:14.360 Yes.

00:12:14.560 It makes your life easier.

00:12:16.300 Make some of the tension at home kind of, uh, go down, which is really nice, but that's

00:12:21.360 the only real benefit out of it.

00:12:23.180 Well, that and private air travel.

00:12:24.300 That's the only, those are the only real advantages to being rich.

00:12:29.860 I, I, I tweeted last night and people were like, Oh my gosh, Glenn, you're going to get

00:12:33.920 pulled off the air for saying that.

00:12:35.380 This is crazy.

00:12:36.080 I am not going to apologize for my privilege because I don't have privilege.

00:12:43.220 What do you mean privilege?

00:12:45.360 My, my ancestors came here with nothing for over a hundred years.

00:12:51.700 They've had nothing.

00:12:53.160 I'm the first successful one in the family.

00:12:56.320 My great, great, great grandfather was killed in Andersonville.

00:13:01.880 The concentration camp, the notorious concentration camp of the Confederacy.

00:13:08.960 He was fighting for the union.

00:13:10.400 My great, great, great, great uncle was also put in. 0.99

00:13:13.680 I mean, they were losers.

00:13:14.680 They just, I mean, they, they were in the, they joined the army and they fought for about 0.94

00:13:19.300 four weeks and they were thrown into a POW camp.

00:13:22.340 Uh, my, my great, great, great grandfather died and his brother never recovered from Andersonville.

00:13:29.560 Well, they were fighting to stop slavery.

00:13:32.220 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:32.400 I know you're joking by saying they're losers. 0.96

00:13:34.100 That's an incredible story. 0.96

00:13:35.300 No, it's an incredible story.

00:13:36.420 I mean, no, I know.

00:13:37.500 I know.

00:13:37.900 I mean, I know you're, I mean, it's just like, no, it's just like, you know, yeah, it's just

00:13:41.440 like, you know, it would be a back that would like, I'm going to sign up next day.

00:13:45.720 You're in a camp.

00:13:46.800 Okay.

00:13:48.240 Wow.

00:13:48.660 We made a difference.

00:13:50.060 So, so, you know, no, nobody in my family, but every single member of my family has fought

00:13:57.200 for a better life for their children.

00:13:59.940 Now, why would I apologize for my father and my grandfather and my great grandfather and

00:14:06.300 my great, great grandfather all working so their children could have a better life?

00:14:11.900 That better life that they worked for is my so-called privilege.

00:14:17.240 It's an insult to apologize for what my ancestors did so I could have the opportunity.

00:14:25.720 Are you going to apologize for doing what you're doing so your children will have a

00:14:30.700 better opportunity?

00:14:31.840 Yeah.

00:14:32.040 How would that feel to you?

00:14:33.040 Oh my gosh.

00:14:33.440 Your kids later on in life were like, I'm so sorry for my, my, my dad.

00:14:36.480 My dad did.

00:14:37.660 Oh, my dad. 0.97

00:14:38.100 You're killing yourself to do that for your, your son or your daughter.

00:14:41.760 And they're going to apologize for what you did later on. 0.51

00:14:44.400 No, that would, that would be.

00:14:45.800 No, they can apologize for my mistakes.

00:14:48.040 Sure.

00:14:48.540 They can absolutely be ashamed of me for my mistakes, but for working hard.

00:14:52.540 So their life was better.

00:14:54.200 So they had opportunities that I didn't have.

00:14:56.880 Don't you dare apologize.

00:14:58.260 It is an insult to your ancestors.

00:15:11.340 One of the best tributes I heard all weekend, you know, to Aretha Franklin had to come from

00:15:16.360 Al Sharpton.

00:15:19.020 He is just, do we have that audio by any chance, Sarah?

00:15:22.760 It's Al Sharpton and his memorial message.

00:15:26.320 Oh, we're talking about female canines. 1.00

00:15:30.480 You know what they say about payback?

00:15:32.900 It's a real, well, you, I'm sure you know the word I'm thinking of.

00:15:38.020 So in the words of my late friend, Aretha Franklin, show some R-E-S-P-I-C-T. 0.74

00:15:46.520 Some respect? 0.96

00:15:48.140 You get a black woman and a beagle confused. 0.92

00:15:51.540 Remember this. 0.91

00:15:53.160 I got you.

00:15:54.780 Whoa.

00:15:56.320 That is the single worst delivery of a line, first of all, at the beginning of that, where

00:16:04.380 he tries to, you know, fake you out that he's going to say the B word.

00:16:09.180 And then R-E-S-P-I-C-T. 0.97

00:16:12.020 And how do you not?

00:16:13.740 Have a little respect.

00:16:15.980 What is respect?

00:16:17.540 It's not a thing.

00:16:18.600 Oh, yes.

00:16:19.340 Yes, it is.

00:16:19.980 Al Sharpton, he's got you covered.

00:16:21.580 If you are suffering from respect, he's got you covered.

00:16:25.900 Hi, it's Glenn.

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00:16:37.360 Thanks.

00:16:38.220 Addicted to outrage.

00:16:39.780 Yes, we have another addiction to outrage segment for you.

00:16:44.920 It's there's nothing better than this, really.

00:16:47.640 You know, just getting up in the morning and just saying, you know, what can I be pissed

00:16:51.780 off about?

00:16:52.340 I had a good weekend, you know, enjoyed my family and yada, yada.

00:16:56.520 Now I got to get back into I got to get into back into what really matters.

00:17:00.280 And let's talk some politics.

00:17:02.220 And what can I possibly be outraged?

00:17:04.680 I've got I've got something that's going to really push you over the top.

00:17:07.780 It's Alcee Hastings.

00:17:09.540 He is in Florida.

00:17:10.940 He's giving a speech and violence breaks out.

00:17:14.640 Here it is.

00:17:15.180 He said, do you know the difference between a crisis and a catastrophe?

00:17:20.600 And no one held their hand.

00:17:22.660 So Harry answered for us.

00:17:24.200 He says, a crisis is if Donald Trump falls into the Potomac River and can't swim.

00:17:31.820 And he says, and a catastrophe is anybody saves his.

00:17:40.160 That's violent speech.

00:17:41.580 That was a death threat to the president.

00:17:42.960 I mean, I could do everything that the press does to the to the right.

00:17:50.060 We know that there's a double standard, right?

00:17:52.740 But if you want to fix if you want to fix today, if you if you really want to be outraged,

00:17:58.540 because we are addicted to outrage.

00:18:00.360 If you really want to further your addiction, let's be pissed off about that.

00:18:11.460 And we can be so easily and justifiably, justifiably, because you're right.

00:18:15.420 The standard that would be held against a conservative making a joke about a Democratic president.

00:18:20.460 And we've seen we saw it happen during the Obama administration over and over again.

00:18:23.520 They acted as if they were legitimate, real threats.

00:18:25.740 Oh, yeah.

00:18:26.020 They acted as if they I'm going to target a district.

00:18:28.940 Yeah, I'm going to target a district.

00:18:30.920 Everybody knew what that was.

00:18:32.440 Everybody knew.

00:18:33.300 Right.

00:18:33.660 Faked.

00:18:34.040 They faked outrage and tried to make it into something that it wasn't.

00:18:38.400 So now we have a choice.

00:18:40.940 And one is satisfying.

00:18:42.520 It really is.

00:18:43.760 One is satisfying.

00:18:44.740 One is because it sets off all the good chemicals in your body is being outraged by it.

00:18:54.240 I'm angry because look at look at the double standard.

00:18:58.340 Look at the double standard.

00:18:59.420 They would never do that to give us the benefit of the doubt.

00:19:03.640 Why should I give them?

00:19:06.120 Because if I've been giving them the benefit of the doubt, I haven't changed my behavior.

00:19:09.960 And the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

00:19:14.880 So I'm going to get angry about it.

00:19:17.420 And I'm going to I'm going to be outraged and I'm going to express my outrage.

00:19:22.140 And that feels good.

00:19:23.780 It does.

00:19:25.080 Doesn't it?

00:19:25.640 Oh, it feels fantastic.

00:19:26.860 It does.

00:19:27.400 You get your motor running.

00:19:28.780 Your juices flowing.

00:19:29.740 Yeah.

00:19:30.120 You know, you feel like you're doing something.

00:19:32.700 Maybe maybe even you can get to get to a point where this particular representative would be punished in some way.

00:19:39.220 Maybe he loses his job.

00:19:40.920 There's a there's a real goal to get to is maybe he loses his job and they replace him with another Democrat.

00:19:45.460 Still, they they I mean, they've been doing this to us for years.

00:19:48.640 We're just starting to make progress on this.

00:19:51.680 We're just starting to get people.

00:19:53.280 We're just starting to get people, you know, the being held responsible and they're getting kicked out.

00:19:58.980 Yeah.

00:19:59.180 I mean, you know, that's if that's your goal.

00:20:01.220 Right.

00:20:01.540 Then then you have something there.

00:20:03.360 It's interesting because I think we have become as conservatives experts in pointing out the double standard.

00:20:08.660 To the point where you used to stop us from saying it on the air, you know, like when Pat was here, we would talk about this.

00:20:14.880 We're like, this is a complete double standard.

00:20:16.300 And you say, all right, we know it's double standard.

00:20:18.280 All right, let's move on.

00:20:19.760 And it's true. 0.56

00:20:20.840 We are experts at identifying that.

00:20:23.340 But there is an additional step.

00:20:25.460 Now you have to say, well, hold on.

00:20:27.300 No, there's not.

00:20:27.820 You've got a double standard.

00:20:28.700 That's it.

00:20:29.120 Now you have two standards in front of you.

00:20:31.880 Double, right?

00:20:32.540 Two standards.

00:20:33.180 Now you have to choose which one you want.

00:20:36.420 The outrage one.

00:20:36.780 The outrage one.

00:20:37.440 No, you can choose that.

00:20:38.440 The one that makes you feel good.

00:20:39.160 I want the outrage one.

00:20:40.180 Does it make you feel good in anything other than the very short term?

00:20:43.260 Nope.

00:20:43.600 I guess is my question.

00:20:44.600 Nope.

00:20:44.900 Doesn't seem to make anyone feel good.

00:20:46.760 Nope.

00:20:47.020 Everyone's applying the standard all the time and they get more and more pissed off all the time.

00:20:50.160 And everybody says, I can't read it anymore.

00:20:51.960 I can't look at it anymore.

00:20:53.640 And as soon as you have the opportunity to apply it, you do.

00:20:56.000 You go for it.

00:20:56.680 And I think that that's the wrong way to go.

00:20:58.740 I mean, look, choose the standard that you think the world should have.

00:21:02.800 You know, you're right.

00:21:04.080 Like sometimes you're living in a world where you don't get what you want.

00:21:07.220 But are you acting in the way that you believe is the right way?

00:21:10.020 Or are you acting in a way that you believe is improper?

00:21:14.820 And I think constantly because we feel and correctly feel, by the way, that we've been victims of a double standard over a very long period of time.

00:21:22.480 We justify behavior we wouldn't normally justify.

00:21:26.080 Because we feel like, well, we've been wrong, so therefore we can do wrong.

00:21:30.840 And that's not a good way of going through life.

00:21:32.620 So where is this anger coming from?

00:21:38.340 Where is this willingness to become that which we gaze upon?

00:21:44.820 Become that which we despise?

00:21:48.660 Become the monster in trying to kill the monster.

00:21:52.480 Where does that come from?

00:21:53.560 What is the root of that motivation?

00:21:57.380 You think, you know, I have a theory.

00:21:59.540 I'm going to hear it.

00:22:03.600 We all feel judged.

00:22:06.440 We all are insecure.

00:22:09.320 And we all feel judged.

00:22:12.160 Somebody is judging me.

00:22:14.260 And they're judging me harshly.

00:22:16.320 They're judging me improperly.

00:22:19.940 And unfairly.

00:22:23.580 And the left and the right, I think, feel this way.

00:22:30.040 You know, the guy from Queer Eye, what was his name?

00:22:35.000 Jonathan Van Ness.

00:22:36.720 He came out and he said, hey, we've got to stop saying that everybody who voted for Donald Trump was a racist.

00:22:41.980 They're not.

00:22:42.600 Just like, as he says, everyone on the left isn't evil.

00:22:48.180 He's right.

00:22:49.680 He's absolutely right.

00:22:51.720 But that's what everybody's feeling.

00:22:54.000 We're being shoved into these corners and we're being told we're enemies.

00:22:58.520 One side is evil.

00:22:59.860 One side is racist.

00:23:01.120 And people on both sides feel like they're judged.

00:23:08.100 Even when we get together, we still feel judged.

00:23:11.540 Because somebody is trying to change your mind.

00:23:16.440 We're not comfortable anymore just being friends.

00:23:20.400 How many friends do you have that really disagree with you politically?

00:23:26.600 Have you lost any friends or family?

00:23:28.800 Ask yourself, why?

00:23:32.180 Is it because you tried to change their mind or they tried to change your mind?

00:23:38.520 And so you're arguing about it and you have no place to go.

00:23:43.540 And that's become your relationship.

00:23:47.780 You're judging them.

00:23:49.200 They're judging you.

00:23:50.400 You're right.

00:23:51.260 They're wrong.

00:23:52.460 They're right.

00:23:53.440 You're wrong.

00:23:53.980 And so there's absolutely no place to go except away from each other or to gather for battle.

00:24:00.840 I was thinking this weekend, the serenity prayer is what we really need a healthy dose of.

00:24:14.440 You know, addicted to outrage.

00:24:16.460 I've said this for years, that I think this audience would be the audience that can turn this around, save the nation in the end.

00:24:23.300 And when America decides to do a 12-step program, when they decide to admit that they have a problem, not that others have a problem, that we have a problem, we'll be taking our first step towards recovery and being the people that we are.

00:24:45.260 The serenity prayer, the serenity prayer, every alcoholic knows it.

00:24:52.280 God, give me the grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed.

00:24:59.900 What can't be changed?

00:25:02.900 What can't be changed?

00:25:06.100 I can't change other people.

00:25:08.740 I can't change them.

00:25:10.060 I can, however, allow them to change me.

00:25:15.320 I don't want that.

00:25:17.200 I saw a story this weekend where they were trying once again, trying to change history, trying to take more statues down.

00:25:27.520 You can't change history.

00:25:30.740 History is there.

00:25:32.440 Let it change you.

00:25:35.160 Learn from it.

00:25:36.400 Learn the good things from history and learn from the bad things in history so you don't do it again.

00:25:43.380 But I can't force you to change.

00:25:46.160 I can't force you to learn from history.

00:25:49.320 You have to.

00:25:50.540 How many times have you heard of a friend or a loved one who's an alcoholic and has been in rehab ten times?

00:25:58.260 They just can't change.

00:26:00.160 Well, because they don't want to.

00:26:01.400 You have to hit a place to where you want to change.

00:26:07.380 And that's really hard.

00:26:09.120 It's really hard.

00:26:11.780 Because it requires you to just focus on you and nothing else.

00:26:18.800 And while we are egomaniacs, we're self-loathing egomaniacs.

00:26:23.340 So nobody really wants to do, look, if you really start to look into yourself and you really start to say, maybe I have a problem here.

00:26:32.600 Maybe I'm causing some of my own stress and, you know, I don't need to be outraged by all of this because I'm not going to change that person who I love, like, was friends with, co-workers with.

00:26:44.040 I'm not going to change them.

00:26:45.560 They believe what they believe.

00:26:47.400 Instead, I'm just going to love them.

00:26:51.760 It's really hard.

00:26:54.120 I'm just going to love them.

00:26:55.060 I'm going to serve them.

00:26:56.640 I'm going to be helpful.

00:26:58.000 I'm going to be kind.

00:26:59.280 I'm going to be the opposite that they are.

00:27:02.000 Not to change them.

00:27:04.680 Not to change them.

00:27:06.500 Just to stand guard against them changing you.

00:27:11.500 If they agreed with you, if they had your same political stance, if they were kind to you, would you be kind back?

00:27:22.940 So they're not kind to you.

00:27:25.480 They do bad things to you.

00:27:29.320 So what's changed?

00:27:32.380 You.

00:27:34.520 You've allowed them to change you.

00:27:37.520 Give me the grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, the courage to change the things which should be changed, and the wisdom to know one from another.

00:27:52.900 That's how we receive serenity.

00:27:56.400 I can change these things, and the biggest thing I can change is me.

00:28:00.820 So I can change these things.

00:28:02.940 I cannot change people.

00:28:05.400 Number one problem.

00:28:06.360 I cannot change people.

00:28:08.080 Anybody who thinks that you're going to change Twitter, well, we're going to change Alex Jones.

00:28:12.460 No, you're not.

00:28:13.440 No, you're not.

00:28:14.300 Not unless he wants to.

00:28:16.840 You're going to change Donald Trump?

00:28:18.860 You're not going to change Donald Trump.

00:28:21.680 What are you doing?

00:28:22.980 The press thinks they're going to change him?

00:28:25.180 You're not going to change him.

00:28:26.500 You're not going to get him to admit anything.

00:28:28.540 You're not going to get him to change his ways or see the light or anything else.

00:28:32.900 If he decides, you know, I don't like my life right now, and I think he loves his life, I don't like my life right now, I've got to change.

00:28:44.720 Then he'll change.

00:28:47.260 But the press, and really, 90% of this country has allowed one man to change them fundamentally.

00:28:59.440 Think of that.

00:29:02.060 One man has changed people's positions, their viewpoint, not based on facts or an argument, just because of the fight.

00:29:15.360 One man has changed probably 90% of the American people, fundamentally, at the core, they've changed.

00:29:27.940 I don't think that's something to be proud of.

00:29:33.800 You can't change people, but people can certainly change you if you allow them to.

00:29:41.200 This is the best of a Glenn Beck program.

00:29:52.880 John Carlos Sopo is a public affairs director on Latin America, and he's a Democrat.

00:30:01.140 And he was on with us last week, I think, or two weeks ago, and I had him on because he's taking a very strong stand against Democratic Socialism.

00:30:13.240 And we don't necessarily agree on policies.

00:30:16.160 He's a Democrat.

00:30:16.940 But he is trying to alert America, and especially the Democrats, how bad Democratic Socialists are, what it really means.

00:30:28.340 It's not, you know, some Norwegian, I have some Ludovic and maybe some free health care and everything will be great.

00:30:35.160 It's not that.

00:30:36.440 This is not the Swedish or Danish health care system or system.

00:30:41.580 They don't have that.

00:30:42.620 He reached out.

00:30:43.800 We had him on last time because he had reached out to some people over, I think, in Denmark, some economists and said,

00:30:53.460 hey, I just want you to see what the Democratic Socialists are saying here and want here.

00:30:58.820 Is this what you have?

00:31:01.340 11 out of 12 said, no, that's really radical.

00:31:05.040 And he's warning about the danger, and he's taking a beating from the left, and he's taking a beating from many Democrats as well.

00:31:14.140 Giancarlo Sopo is with us now.

00:31:17.300 Is it – I want to make sure I get this right.

00:31:19.240 Is it Giancarlo or is it Giancarlo?

00:31:23.260 Either one works.

00:31:24.440 It's like the same name as the baseball player.

00:31:27.880 I would say Giancarlo.

00:31:29.220 He knows nothing about Giancarlo Stanton.

00:31:31.820 No.

00:31:32.060 You have to understand who that is.

00:31:33.480 He has absolutely no idea.

00:31:35.200 So Giancarlo.

00:31:35.880 Okay.

00:31:36.640 So there was a new Gallup poll out, and it shows that Democrats now have a more positive view of socialism than capitalism.

00:31:54.160 And what does that say to you?

00:31:56.520 You know, what it says to me is that I think most people have no earthly idea of what socialism is, because that same poll also showed that 92 percent of Americans support small businesses.

00:32:08.880 Eighty-six percent have a positive view of entrepreneurs, and 79 percent of Americans said that they support the free enterprise system.

00:32:15.860 So what that means to me is that most Americans, when you ask them about socialism, they are, like you said earlier, they have some fairytale-like concoction in their mind of Scandinavia, when in reality that's not what socialism is.

00:32:30.460 That's not what the democratic socialists of America are proposing.

00:32:33.220 And I believe that this level of disinformation is dangerous to the American people, because I strongly believe that there is a significant constituency.

00:32:43.420 I think—let me just be clear.

00:32:44.640 I think the vast majority of Democrats, if you just speak to them on a regular level, they just want better access to health care and things like that.

00:32:51.580 But there is a small but growing minority that wants to go much farther than what they have in, say, Denmark.

00:32:59.280 They would like to actually socialize the economy.

00:33:02.240 They want to abolish private ownership of enterprise.

00:33:05.880 I think that's dangerous, and it looks absolutely nothing like the kind of system that they have in Scandinavia.

00:33:12.520 I checked with a dozen Norwegian economists, 11 of which said, no, these views are fringe, including by our standards.

00:33:20.200 I mean, the Scandinavian countries, in some cases, are more free than we are at this point.

00:33:27.600 I mean, the capitalist system, they just take more in taxes and then give more out.

00:33:34.780 But the actual business is not regulated like it is here.

00:33:41.160 Yeah, it's probably easier to start a business in Copenhagen than in California now.

00:33:46.720 That's crazy.

00:33:47.560 Yeah, I mean, those countries are incredibly free, even by conservative estimates and conservative rankings and libertarian rankings.

00:33:56.860 Countries like Denmark performing incredibly well, according to the World Bank.

00:34:01.960 You know, Denmark and Norway and Sweden are some of the freest economies in the world and easiest places to start a business.

00:34:08.020 Some of them even outrank the United States.

00:34:10.200 And not only those countries, but also we're talking about Canada and the U.K. as well.

00:34:13.700 So I think there is a very tremendous misconception in the United States as to what democratic socialism is and what it is not.

00:34:23.000 The words might be phonetically similar, but social democracy and democratic socialism are not the same thing.

00:34:30.980 They're like distant cousins that at one point were much closer aligned.

00:34:35.340 But after World War II, they started moving in different directions, particularly at the height of the Cold War, where the social democrats said, this is not what we want.

00:34:43.740 And we want to move in a different direction.

00:34:46.100 So do you see do you see anybody?

00:34:48.220 I mean, I follow you now on Twitter and I see the beating you see the beating that you're taking.

00:34:55.740 And, you know, I understand that.

00:34:57.820 I mean, you're taking on your own you're taking on your own party.

00:35:00.880 Do you see anybody really standing up?

00:35:04.720 I mean, look at Cuomo last week.

00:35:06.260 He was only doing that because he's in the race for his life and he had to come out and say, hey, I'm I'm socialist, too.

00:35:15.120 Do you see anybody standing against the democratic socialist in the Democratic Party really taking a principled American constitutional stand?

00:35:25.620 I think what most Democrats might speak with and whom I, you know, I pay attention to, they kind of they're like trying to weather out the storm.

00:35:35.820 And then you have a small group that I believe is trying to utilize this momentum as an opportunity to increase their power.

00:35:43.540 And I think that's dangerous.

00:35:44.500 I remember why I didn't see it personally, obviously, but President Kennedy's inaugural address where he warrants developing countries around the world not to ride the back of the tiger or else they're going to end up inside.

00:35:57.440 And I believe that if we continue fueling this rise of democratic socialism, the Democratic Party is going to go from being what's historically been a center left party with maybe a socialist wing to being a socialist party with then with a centrist wing.

00:36:13.080 And I believe that's dangerous for the country and it's moving in the wrong direction.

00:36:18.580 You don't think that that's already happened?

00:36:21.440 I mean, you know, watching I think the I think the last 12 years have been pretty remarkable on how far left the Democrats have moved.

00:36:36.160 Yeah, I think on some issues, I believe, for example, this rise of intersectional intersectional.

00:36:42.440 Intersectional identity politics, I think, is dangerous.

00:36:45.440 I believe in that this knee jerk reaction to thinking that the first problem, the first solution to any problem is to say, well, let's get the federal government involved.

00:36:54.280 I think that's that's not that's not a wise decision.

00:36:57.480 So I think in some regards, yes, in some regards, in other ways, I think more like on social policies, you know, on some economic policies, they've moved more to the left.

00:37:08.420 On others, they've kind of stayed where they've been historically.

00:37:11.240 What I'm worried about is the silence.

00:37:12.920 And I think more people need to speak up about this.

00:37:15.180 I believe it's important.

00:37:16.940 There is like I said, I think there's a massive disinformation campaign underway.

00:37:21.180 And there are members of the press who are complicit in this, who are issuing these phony explanations of what democratic socialism is.

00:37:32.160 Of course, they always leave out the part about nationalizing businesses and turning small companies into co-ops.

00:37:39.100 I mean, Glenn, imagine if you had to turn your business into a co-op.

00:37:43.020 You wouldn't survive.

00:37:44.120 It's not how most businesses should be designed or can function that way.

00:37:47.360 So I think most more people need to speak up about this.

00:37:51.580 And I'm I welcome the beating.

00:37:54.000 I think it's it's it's entertaining sometimes.

00:37:56.740 But it's nothing compared to what people in places like Venezuela are going through on a daily basis who have to live under this system, which is absolutely terrible.

00:38:06.160 And, you know, it's funny.

00:38:07.260 I was I was this weekend.

00:38:08.560 I went to Disney with my wife.

00:38:11.040 According to what's what's bizarre is that, you know, she comes from a socialist country.

00:38:15.340 She goes to a place like Disney and she's in heaven.

00:38:17.820 She thinks it's it's amazing.

00:38:19.420 I know you're a big fan of Walt Disney, too.

00:38:21.600 And I saw your PragerU video.

00:38:24.180 When you take a democratic socialist to Disney, their first reaction is to start hurling accusations of racism and inequality and so forth.

00:38:33.120 I mean, I don't understand in what version of the universe these people live in.

00:38:39.080 But it's you cannot give them an inch.

00:38:41.980 That's what I'm absolutely convinced of.

00:38:43.400 And I believe it's shameful that the party of Kennedy, the party of Truman.

00:38:48.400 I mean, how did how did we go from being the party of Jack Kennedy and Frank Sinatra to being the party of Bernie Sanders and some guy now who's going out there saying that America has never been a great country?

00:38:59.340 I think that's absolutely shameful.

00:39:04.840 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:39:13.400 Mariana Gonstead, she is she's a woman who has all kinds of titles behind her name and and is a very accomplished woman.

00:39:23.580 But we'll get to that in a second.

00:39:25.340 I first want you to hear her just as somebody who grew up in Venezuela and whose family is in Venezuela.

00:39:35.620 She was there in May of this year and we wanted to get her on the phone to talk to us about it.

00:39:43.220 Mariana, how are you?

00:39:45.180 Fine.

00:39:45.580 Thanks for having me, Glenn.

00:39:46.900 You bet.

00:39:47.760 So tell me about your trip to Venezuela.

00:39:51.300 Yes.

00:39:51.860 Well, I grew up in Venezuela and and I was there until I finished my law degree.

00:39:58.760 And I worked for the Supreme Court before Chavez started his this new regime.

00:40:06.320 So I haven't really lived in Venezuela since 1998 when he won elections.

00:40:12.320 But I have been working with all Latin America and countries.

00:40:15.820 And I I went in May because there was going to be a national election on May 18th and the elections were not going to be recognized.

00:40:26.500 And my father was in a critical condition.

00:40:31.840 So but I when I was first there in December, I have to go there because my father couldn't even find Miralax.

00:40:38.420 And I have to fly there with two bags like of Miralax and protein shakes.

00:40:44.960 My father ended up in the hospital because of the lack of medicine, basically.

00:40:51.340 So you.

00:40:52.620 You.

00:40:54.500 Go ahead.

00:40:56.220 Venezuela used to be.

00:40:58.060 And it still is.

00:40:59.640 That's the most fascinating part about all this is that I think Venezuela is like Apple.

00:41:04.420 It's a country with extraordinary resources that have not been that are still there.

00:41:09.380 It's just Apple with a government that doesn't allow the people to participate.

00:41:14.360 And it's very unstable.

00:41:15.520 But I grew up in a country where we have everybody in like, I mean, most Venezuelans used to be able to travel to Florida.

00:41:25.440 And there was a saying saying like it is so cheap.

00:41:28.380 Give me two.

00:41:29.020 We were used to have like the luxury brands that I have not even seen in the United States.

00:41:35.800 Venezuelans were used to luxury.

00:41:37.460 Like they were used to like have the best shampoo brands in the world.

00:41:42.120 And now there is not even if they there is not even like bar soaps or anything.

00:41:48.120 And there was not even water.

00:41:50.180 I couldn't even shower when I was there.

00:41:53.120 You basically have to.

00:41:54.120 I showered twice in 14 days.

00:41:56.700 I lost I ate like from a load of bread in 14 days and I end up losing 14 pounds.

00:42:04.620 People are now starving.

00:42:06.480 I talked to one of my friends last night and he was in tears and basically said, if you're going to say something, make sure the audience in the United States knows that this oil rich country is starving.

00:42:20.740 Families are eating out of the garbage can.

00:42:24.580 And this is unbearable.

00:42:31.560 What's what happened?

00:42:34.220 What happened?

00:42:35.100 How did how did the country go from a country very much like the United States, very, very wealthy to a country now that literally they have eaten the animals in the zoo?

00:42:49.380 Yes, well, I have to tell you this, I grew up with a mother that told us that we were fish of a tank.

00:43:00.720 And if she's if my parents stopped feeding us, we would perish.

00:43:05.520 And whenever we drove by the poor neighborhoods that used to be 80 percent of the population or approximately that percentage and now it's even more.

00:43:21.160 She actually told us that they were fish of the ocean and that the fish of the ocean knew how to survive if they were not fed. 0.91

00:43:29.500 So I grew up with a deep admiration for the poor.

00:43:34.540 They they were able to figure it out.

00:43:38.100 When I was at Harvard, I realized that at the business school, they were trying to teach like creativity, like teamwork.

00:43:45.900 And at the same time, I was conducting clinical projects on participation in Venezuela.

00:43:51.360 And I saw how the leaders of these low income communities have developed all these skills that you have to develop when you lack resources.

00:44:00.960 And yet they were not allowed to participate.

00:44:03.880 They were invisible.

00:44:04.820 So it is a very volatile situation when you have the majorities, the majorities, even during the 40 years of democracy in Venezuela where disenfranchised, that is not sustainable.

00:44:19.260 I remember every time we were going to the university, I studied with my brother-in-law.

00:44:23.300 And when we were going to the university, like you have to drive through like a lot of like poor neighborhoods.

00:44:30.400 And I said to him over and over again, every morning, this only needs one leader, one leader to mobilize this massive social injustice.

00:44:39.700 And sure enough, in my second year or third year of law school, Chavez attacked the presidential palace with a tank.

00:44:48.400 Nobody knew who he was.

00:44:49.820 And he became a hero.

00:44:50.880 And he became a hero because of the silent majority, the ones that had been excluded and the very poor.

00:45:00.420 Correct.

00:45:01.260 Yes.

00:45:01.780 And the economic measures that were taken at that time with an increase of the gasoline.

00:45:08.420 So is this something that seems, I mean, it happens a lot in Latin America.

00:45:14.920 And I don't understand why.

00:45:16.680 Maybe you can explain it.

00:45:18.560 Sure.

00:45:19.040 The, the, up until recently, the United States, the presidency has not been, you know, a regal thing.

00:45:29.600 And we haven't looked to a strong man who could just tell them all to sit down and shut up.

00:45:34.020 And we're becoming more and more like that.

00:45:36.180 That seems to be very Latin America where they look for a hero just to come in and solve the problems. 0.99

00:45:43.860 Is this accurate at all?

00:45:46.480 Correct.

00:45:47.060 Yes.

00:45:47.400 Like, um, I have been working for the past 20 years with other countries in the regions precisely to try to, um, address this mindset that always look for like a, a savior, like a, a, a, a, this called a caudillo, like a strong man, um, that is supposed to like help them and liberate them.

00:46:06.260 Like, so in the past it was Simon Bolivar and, um, and, um, right now, well, like recently it was Chavez and it's so much to the point that Chavez is dead and Venezuelans still scream Chavez is alive.

00:46:19.140 So they don't see him, they don't see him any differently than, you know, Sean Penn in Hollywood.

00:46:24.980 They don't see him as the beginning of the problem.

00:46:27.680 Yeah, no, and, um, to, to, to be, um, complete honest, my main concern with Venezuela is not even what's going on right now.

00:46:38.000 And not just Venezuela, the entire region is that, uh, the Chavez regime, um, has called like, uh, their regime a participatory and protagonistic, uh, democracy.

00:46:48.740 And if it, in which like one person is the one that makes their decisions, that actually breeds corruption, abuse, um, massive exclusion.

00:46:59.660 It's like having a solo instrument playing, um, the world has not seen like what Latin America could look like when every person is allowed to participate, including the fish of the ocean, um, so that we would move.

00:47:13.820 So right now, Latin America has moved historically from a solo instrument, uh, leader to, uh, massive revolutions.

00:47:22.360 So all the instruments playing at the same time, producing noise, um, it is about time to have a very different type of leadership, a participatory leader that really like the maestro of an orchestra is able to not just play like a solo instrument, but be the conductor of the orchestra

00:47:41.120 and allowed every instrument to participate so that we can move from, from noise to music.

00:47:46.940 The world is not going in that direction.

00:47:48.920 I mean, nobody, nobody is headed in that direction.

00:47:53.240 Well, actually, um, Glenn, we did, um, um, you are absolutely right.

00:47:58.700 And that is the very reason why I became a law professor in the United States.

00:48:03.180 I used to represent 11,000 students in Venezuela.

00:48:07.100 So if I was there right now, I would have been killed or incarcerated.

00:48:11.300 Um, and I, uh, I, I thought, and I, and I, I, I thought, and I saw how participation could be done.

00:48:20.380 And, um, when, if you have the channels and you develop the skill to participate, and we did it, um, in Brazil.

00:48:29.000 So I became a law professor to be able to prove to the world that it could be done.

00:48:35.140 And in Brazil, like you can, anyone can go and Google it.

00:48:39.360 Um, we actually, um, uh, uh, were given an opportunity at St. Thomas to, with, uh, two experts in civil procedure.

00:48:48.720 They were, um, going to, um, pass a law and, um, they decided that they wanted to be more participatory.

00:48:55.960 And, um, we, uh, selected leaders, um, well, Brazilians selected leaders from seven sectors of society, from business leaders, low-income community leaders, the legal field, the judicial sector, the nonprofit sector.

00:49:12.020 And, um, they built consensus, uh, three times, uh, first per sector and then at a national level regarding what was the, the preferred option to resolve their disputes.

00:49:24.580 Um, and, um, it was very interesting because it took, like, uh, six months to train the mediators.

00:49:30.560 And then the mediators trained the leaders, um, and then the structures were put into place.

00:49:35.580 And, uh, the, the main difference, um, was, um, how, um, they were given a, uh, a seat at the table, but they were also trained in how to participate rather than just persuade others.

00:49:49.560 Basically, the, the main difference on participation was, is that the final agreement has to have the flavor of all stakeholders.

00:50:00.840 And it is possible.

00:50:02.260 I mean, I didn't invent this.

00:50:03.760 This is, uh, basic, uh, uh, consensus building, um, from MIT, uh, Larry Susskind, and it has been done.

00:50:12.080 Uh, and it's called collaborative governance when citizens can participate at the local level, we did it at the national level just to prove it could be done.

00:50:20.260 And in Brazil, that is the fifth largest country in the world.

00:50:22.900 Um, so if, if, if the, if the stakeholders, if the leaders, um, learn the skills and the structures are created, it, well, it's called, uh, building the Latin America that we want you in SSRN.

00:50:37.960 Um, and anybody can, um, can access it.

00:50:42.460 It's, it's free, it's online, and they can see what we have done.

00:50:45.480 Um, the mediators in Brazil are still there.

00:50:47.940 They are alive and they, um, they could lead.

00:50:50.700 I trained them.

00:50:51.600 We work it together and just to demonstrate that it could be done, but you need to have, and, uh, you need to have representative democracies.

00:50:59.900 And this will supplement the representative democracy so that, that right now, as you said, Latin America look at heroes, right?

00:51:07.720 And when it look at here, when they look at hero, heroes, they basically gave them like, uh, um, uh, blank check, you know, so that they can do whatever with their mandate.

00:51:18.800 So, well, this is like a way to supplement representative democracies with consensus building so that when they have the mandate, they have like an organized civic society that would limit the political power.

00:51:32.620 So, Mariana, um, let me take you back here to Venezuela. 0.89

00:51:37.500 You lost 14 pounds.

00:51:39.100 You don't, you don't recognize some people that you even grew up with because they've lost so much weight.

00:51:44.940 Um, do you have friends that have gone to prison for their political stance?

00:51:50.600 Yeah.

00:51:51.080 Well, I mean, I haven't, I, I, I don't live there since like, uh, 1998, but I do have, uh, I do, I, I do know like, uh, many, um, Venezuelan, um, students and, uh, members actually of the, of the national assembly.

00:52:06.520 Like most recently, like there were like, uh, two brothers, like that were incarcerated.

00:52:12.680 And one of them was actually a member of Congress and was incarcerated for giving a speech that I would have given.

00:52:21.740 Um, so you can basically not speak up or you are in jail and they are like two legislative bodies right now, two Supreme courts.

00:52:30.340 There is a Supreme court that actually is operating from, um, Columbia and they, um, and no news.

00:52:37.960 I mean, the, the most desperate part about all this, Glenn, is that none of this is covering the media.

00:52:44.840 You know, it's like there is a Venezuelan Supreme court that is operating in, in Columbia and they sentenced the Venezuelan government to 18 years and three months.

00:52:56.660 And we don't hear about that here.

00:52:58.660 You know, daddy's not heard of the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:53:11.500 I'm going to go take Steve in New York, uh, who's been holding for a while on the topic of the Catholic church and what's happening, um, with the, uh, with the church and the massive scandal in Pennsylvania.

00:53:23.920 Hello, Steve.

00:53:25.820 Hey, good morning, Glenn.

00:53:27.020 How are you?

00:53:27.640 I'm good.

00:53:28.660 Well, um, I'm a lifelong Catholic and I've seen this a long time.

00:53:33.780 I've been exposed to this for a long time and, um, my heart is broken, but I've despaired even further because I don't, I haven't seen them addressing one of the worst problems in the Catholic church. 0.84

00:53:48.500 And that's the specific incidents of homosexual pedophilia.

00:53:55.060 That is, of course, a very politically incorrect topic to bring up.

00:54:01.080 Yeah, I was going to say, I saw a lot of people saying that there is no such thing as homosexual pedophilia, but, uh, I mean, I, I think there is, they were abusing, in some cases, small number, uh, of girls were abused, but the vast majority was, was boys. 0.77

00:54:17.200 Now, maybe that's just access or, you know, I mean, you're sick either way, so it doesn't matter.

00:54:23.540 But, uh, the, the, the problem here is, is there is some, there is some real sickness in the, uh, in the way the, the priests, I don't know, are selected or live or what.

00:54:38.140 The, the, the culture is obviously very, very bad. 0.64

00:54:41.600 Well, I am so glad that you mentioned that because that's really what I want to talk about.

00:54:46.040 Uh, there's an excellent book on this subject written by Michael Rose called Goodbye, Good Men.

00:54:53.080 And he is, it's a very, very knowledgeable and, and deeply researched book.

00:55:00.260 And I read it years ago.

00:55:01.920 The, um, he talks about how this is not just haphazard.

00:55:06.380 This was a very deliberate, uh, movement within, you know, among the leaders of the Catholic Church.

00:55:14.180 They deliberately recruited people who are sympathetic to this, this, this lifestyle.

00:55:23.120 So, Steve, as a, as a Catholic, I mean, I, I'm not a Catholic, but, uh, you know, as a former Catholic,

00:55:30.560 I would want to see the Pope get on a plane, uh, and clean that thing out from top to bottom

00:55:38.840 and make a huge deal out of this.

00:55:41.540 This is the second time.

00:55:42.980 And I don't see that happening.

00:55:44.760 Do you?

00:55:45.840 No, I don't.

00:55:47.120 And that's, that's, that's the real heartbreaker of all of this is I don't see any, any, um,

00:55:54.140 any attempt to, to address what, what is the problem.

00:56:01.040 I mean, the problem is not, you know, the Catholic Church refers to this as sexual immaturity, for instance.

00:56:08.340 But they will not call it by its name.

00:56:11.520 It is, it has a name. 1.00

00:56:14.180 Its name is, you know, it's perversion and homosexual pedophilia. 1.00

00:56:18.840 That's, that's what we've got. 0.99

00:56:20.140 Steve, thank you very much.

00:56:23.700 We'll be watching it.

00:56:24.760 And, um, as you watch it, um, make sure you call up and, and give us an update.

00:56:29.780 Irma, North Carolina.

00:56:32.340 Hi, Glenn.

00:56:33.240 It's an honor.

00:56:34.340 Thank you.

00:56:34.820 A true honor.

00:56:35.760 Thank you.

00:56:36.060 Um, Glenn, I'm also a lifelong Catholic like Steve, um, and, and trying to distill all of

00:56:41.940 this and incorporate it into my, into my faith and, and my everyday life.

00:56:47.920 Um, you know, there's anger and there's shame and there's just, um, to use your word, outrage.

00:56:56.160 Um, and I'm not addicted to it, but in this case, um, it applies.

00:57:01.400 Um, power corrupts, um, when you get right down to it.

00:57:05.840 Um, there's a story on page 14 of our diocesan newspaper.

00:57:11.000 And although it's way in the back, I mean, it's pretty, pretty thorough, but it includes

00:57:16.060 information that I was unaware of the abuse of Catholic sisters, um, the abuse of students. 0.82

00:57:22.520 I mean, it just goes on and on and fairly disgusting. 0.78

00:57:26.560 Nobody's talking about term limits for, for the hierarchy in the church.

00:57:31.140 And I think we need to do that.

00:57:32.660 Um, and I think that, um, would you be for changing the way that allowing priests to be

00:57:38.340 married?

00:57:39.940 Um, I think we need psychologists and psychiatrists to help us dissect what's happened and understand

00:57:50.400 what's happened to see if that's a problem.

00:57:54.000 Um, I mean, you know, when I think of, um, well, you talked about humility a week ago and

00:58:00.100 the person that came to mind is my own husband.

00:58:03.240 Um, you know, I couldn't imagine being married to somebody who has this kind of propensity.

00:58:08.080 So I don't know how that can be the solution, but I don't know enough about it to say, you

00:58:13.580 know, yay or nay.

00:58:15.240 Um, but I would certainly be interested in hearing what other people think the solution is.

00:58:21.580 I know the church is talking about panels that include lay people and, you know, other members

00:58:28.240 that are not priests who, who work within the church.

00:58:32.440 And I think that's all fine and good.

00:58:34.160 But I think, you know, like Steve said, we have to understand why this is happening before

00:58:39.420 we can get to a, to a solution.

00:58:42.160 But, you know, there's an analogy to be made here, um, with, with our own government.

00:58:47.800 It's, the church is big and, um, and it might be, it might be beneficial to move people around

00:58:54.740 more.

00:58:55.720 Um, parish priests are transferred from.

00:58:59.000 I think that's another, but that was, that was part of actually the deal.

00:59:03.160 They were, you know, that, that was what happened in the nineties and they just made it worse.

00:59:09.060 You're right.

00:59:10.120 Shuffling it.

00:59:10.920 However, however, it would leave, um, it would, when it's, when it's less, um, concentrated

00:59:20.420 and, and as our awareness increases, it's just a good, it's a good example of how perception

00:59:27.980 is not reality all the time.

00:59:29.860 And I think that as lay people, as the people within the church become more conscious of

00:59:35.500 what's going on and, you know, victims or people who feel that they might be becoming

00:59:41.940 a victim are encouraged to speak out, then, then they would not, I think the power would

00:59:49.900 not be so deep seated.

00:59:51.840 But I do think that this, I don't understand enough about being a bishop to say whether

00:59:58.660 or not it would be applicable, but, you know, maybe they need a term limit.

01:00:03.040 Okay.

01:00:03.420 Irma, thank you so much for your phone call.

01:00:05.680 I appreciate it.

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