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00:00:06.240 Hi, it's Stu. Welcome to the podcast. Glenn Beck here as well. Hi, Mr. Beck.

00:00:10.900 Hi, I'm just adjusting my freeness.

00:00:14.220 You're going to learn what a freeness is in today's episode and you're not going to like it.

00:00:18.280 I'm going to be honest with you. There's a lot of things in this particular episode that are going to make you uncomfortable.

00:00:22.720 So put on your headphones and squirm in your seat.

00:00:25.580 A lot of stuff, though, you really like.

00:00:27.420 Yeah, we go into South Africa a little bit. What's going on there, which is terrifying.

00:00:31.000 We go into the new safe sex guide.

00:00:33.320 I take a strong stand on this. I will not comply.

00:00:37.180 No, you will not.

00:00:38.700 You know, you've got Chelsea Handler defending Al Franken, which is an amazing clip.

00:00:46.140 It's incredible.

00:00:47.360 It is. We go back in history a little bit.

00:00:51.180 We talked to the author of Freedoms Fork.

00:00:53.780 Extremely not about that book.

00:00:55.440 No, you went. We scheduled this interview months ago to talk about this book.

00:00:59.140 And it's about how in World War Two, you know, capitalists came together, really.

00:01:04.060 Built the engine.

00:01:05.060 Built the engine to be able to defeat the Nazis.

00:01:08.380 And then Glenn scheduled this interview and then had the guy on for 45 minutes and barely talked about the book at all.

00:01:12.560 Yeah, we're going to have to have him on again.

00:01:13.760 He is fascinating. He's one of my favorite historians, one of my favorite writers.

00:01:17.260 And we talked to him about Churchill, Gandhi, good guys or bad guys, because you can look at both of them and see they were both racists.

00:01:28.700 So are they good guys or bad guys?

00:01:30.520 And I ask that because we're currently going through the debate now.

00:01:33.800 Is America good or bad?

00:01:35.780 I contend it's both.

00:01:37.780 It's both.

00:01:39.020 Now, which direction are we moving?

00:01:40.780 We talked to Ephraim Meadows.

00:01:43.500 He's got a new book coming out in October.

00:01:45.720 We'll talk about the city of death.

00:01:48.060 This is a guy that millions of people around the world have seen.

00:01:51.940 He was shot in a video where they were rescuing this little girl.

00:01:56.780 They were standing behind a tank, three guys, and one of them runs out and rescues this little girl who is there under a blanket with her mother who had been dead for three days.

00:02:07.700 Pinned down by ISIS.

00:02:09.680 They grab her quickly, run behind the tank, and Ephraim is shot in the leg.

00:02:16.020 He's now joined our team for the Nazarene Fund.

00:02:19.140 Amazing.

00:02:19.880 Amazing story.

00:02:20.800 And should you get an implantable chip?

00:02:22.680 Seems so convenient.

00:02:23.740 We'll get into that as well on today's podcast.

00:02:32.640 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:02:42.060 Free housing.

00:02:43.860 Free college.

00:02:45.160 Free college tuition.

00:02:46.320 Single-payer health care.

00:02:47.660 Doubling the welfare state and minimum wage.

00:02:50.160 Sound familiar?

00:02:52.020 This is the same platform of any democratic socialist candidate here in the United States.

00:02:57.100 Whether it's Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, you know, and a whole fleet of new up-and-comers.

00:03:03.640 But the platform, as familiar as it may sound, is actually the same platform as the Economic Freedom Fighters, or EFF, in South Africa.

00:03:13.140 Now, this is a group of Marxist-Leninists who have now become the third largest political party in the country.

00:03:19.660 Their leader has brought the EFF into the spotlight by tapping into populism.

00:03:25.900 He fingered the white man as the answer to all of the problems, declaring at a rally back in January, go after a white man.

00:03:36.900 Let me play the audio for you.

00:03:38.680 But we're starting with this whiteness.

00:03:42.120 We're cutting the throat of whiteness.

00:03:44.460 We're cutting the throat of whiteness.

00:03:53.620 He also, in that same speech, started to talk about...

00:04:04.300 You know, he just wants to know who these white people are.

00:04:07.800 He wants to know what religion they are.

00:04:09.720 He wants to know where they come from originally.

00:04:11.940 He wants to know how long they've been here.

00:04:15.300 And then they will cut the throats of whiteness.

00:04:18.860 Any of this sound familiar?

00:04:21.700 Because this is the kind of stuff that comes from democratic socialists, Marxists, Leninists.

00:04:29.900 It always does.

00:04:31.000 Because you have to have class or race warfare.

00:04:36.060 This is why it's incredibly important that we do not give in to our outrage.

00:04:42.860 That we break our addiction to outrage.

00:04:46.260 Because if we don't, we will be led down this same path.

00:04:51.620 Where the only answer is, kill the other side.

00:04:54.820 The EFF's numbers and popularity have grown so large now that they were actually able to force the African National Congress to begin seizing white-owned land.

00:05:08.820 Land owned by white farmers.

00:05:11.360 And giving it to black South Africans.

00:05:14.380 The policy has now begun.

00:05:16.980 The new state law says that white farmers will be offered fair market value for their land by the government.

00:05:25.000 If they turn it down, the land will be seized anyway.

00:05:29.040 Fair market value for a piece of land that they have just seized.

00:05:34.740 Included 1.37 million dollars for a piece of land that is valued in the open market at 13.7 million dollars.

00:05:46.100 It's only a tenth of what the farms are worth.

00:05:49.880 Obviously a slap in the face.

00:05:52.020 After turning it down, they received this letter.

00:05:54.520 Notice is hereby given that a terrain inspection will be held on the farm at 10 a.m.

00:06:00.960 In order to conduct an audit of the assets and a handover of the farm's keys to the state.

00:06:07.820 This farm is just the first of many.

00:06:10.880 This is exactly what happened with Lenin and Stalin.

00:06:15.320 What they do is they blame the rich farmers.

00:06:18.340 Then they kill or take the land away from the rich farmers.

00:06:22.800 Then they give those farms to the people.

00:06:27.480 The people don't have experience that the rich farmer has.

00:06:31.980 They were rich for a reason.

00:06:35.940 Then the country starves.

00:06:38.820 A report earlier this month showed that 139 white-owned farms have been targeted now for seizure.

00:06:45.520 So what happens if the farmers refuse to leave their land?

00:06:49.160 These are the moments right before catastrophe.

00:06:52.800 And it all began with a small group of Marxists and democratic socialists

00:06:57.820 that were able to capture the national spotlight by harnessing hatred.

00:07:03.780 We don't have land redistribution here.

00:07:07.180 Yet.

00:07:07.820 But the rise of democratic socialism and Marxism in South Africa should sound uncomfortably familiar.

00:07:16.000 Look at what the new left is doing and saying here in America.

00:07:19.920 They are categorizing each of us into groups and to identities and turning us one against the other.

00:07:28.700 Social class against social class.

00:07:31.160 Race against race.

00:07:32.900 Gender against gender.

00:07:34.240 Today's social justice is the undercover name for yesterday's bourgeoisie-politariat workers' revolution.

00:07:43.380 It is Marxism coming from the flank rather than straight ahead.

00:07:48.620 You'll never hear this from a democratic socialist, but heed this warning.

00:07:54.180 Marxism leads to violence every time.

00:07:59.520 I ask you today to pray for the people of South Africa, both white and black.

00:08:09.340 The whites that will be killed.

00:08:12.080 The blacks that will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

00:08:16.280 And the children that will have to grow up now in chaos and violence.

00:08:21.580 Pray for the people of South Africa, but also pray that we don't actually go over this cliff

00:08:31.800 as we get precariously close to the edge.

00:08:36.620 Well, the full understanding of there are many things that I believe that I shall never say,

00:08:53.880 but I shall never say the things that I do not believe.

00:08:56.280 For the understanding of where the world is going and how easily it is to remove voices now

00:09:05.620 for quote-unquote hate speech.

00:09:08.740 I deliver this next segment with nothing but respect for other people's viewpoints.

00:09:19.700 But in return, I demand that they respect my viewpoint.

00:09:28.780 If we cannot come to a place to where we can say,

00:09:32.500 well, we see the world radically differently.

00:09:37.400 But you're still my neighbor.

00:09:39.960 If we cannot come to that place,

00:09:43.120 the only thing left is to silence one another.

00:09:46.700 Remember, first you suggest, you nudge.

00:09:57.260 Then you shove.

00:09:58.820 Then you shoot.

00:10:00.920 We are well into the shove category.

00:10:04.140 I will shove your voice towards mine or out of the public square.

00:10:09.320 There is new guidelines on that they want to teach our children about safe sex.

00:10:20.400 And as I read the guidelines, I thought to myself two things.

00:10:27.960 One, the warning that I have told you over and over again from a woman named Paulina.

00:10:34.660 She was one of the people that saved the Jews in Poland.

00:10:40.640 She was about 90 when I met her.

00:10:44.160 She had lived with this secret on what she had done and how many Jews she had saved.

00:10:50.420 She started when she was about 16 years old in World War II.

00:10:53.840 And when I met her, she was old and gray, but still as shy and quiet.

00:11:01.380 She couldn't talk about it for a long time until the Iron Curtain came down,

00:11:05.240 because that would have been wildly unpopular to be a Christian that saved Jews in the former Soviet Union.

00:11:11.680 So it wasn't until the 1990s that she could tell her story,

00:11:17.340 or people could tell her story for her, as she was very shy.

00:11:21.400 I sat down with her, with my family, and I asked her,

00:11:26.480 I believe the tree of righteousness is in all of us.

00:11:31.420 What do I do to water it?

00:11:35.480 She said to me, you misunderstand.

00:11:38.820 The righteous didn't suddenly become righteous.

00:11:41.200 They just refused to go over the cliff with the rest of humanity.

00:11:46.160 So as I read this today, I thought to myself,

00:11:50.740 this is the cliff.

00:11:53.160 This is one of them.

00:11:54.620 And I will not go over the cliff with the rest of humanity, come what may.

00:12:04.980 Here is the new LGBTQIA safe sex guide.

00:12:12.300 Historically, when sex education was introduced to the general public,

00:12:16.880 content was focused on puberty education for cisgender people,

00:12:21.780 heterosexual sex, pregnancy prevention, and a reduction of STIs.

00:12:26.580 During that time, there was a great deal of stigma and discrimination

00:12:30.000 associated with being lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersex, or asexual.

00:12:36.640 Gender-inclusive terms such as non-binary and trans

00:12:42.060 had yet to enter the mainstream language and culture.

00:12:46.180 This historic context and rampant homophobia and transphobia

00:12:51.380 created a foundation where most sex education curricula

00:12:54.740 didn't acknowledge the existence of LGBTQIA and non-binary individuals.

00:13:02.500 Sex programs were instead developed based on an assumption

00:13:05.740 that those receiving the information were solely heterosexual and cisgender.

00:13:10.500 That's why that this safe sex guide is aimed at understanding

00:13:15.700 the nuance, complex, and diverse gender identities,

00:13:20.120 sexual orientation, attractions, and experiences that exist in the world

00:13:24.320 which vary across cultures and communities.

00:13:27.240 We need an LGBTQIA-inclusive safer sex guide

00:13:33.260 because traditional guides are often structured in ways

00:13:38.100 that presumes everyone's gender,

00:13:41.220 female, male, non-binary, and trans.

00:13:46.480 No.

00:13:49.280 They presume everyone's gender is the same as the sex

00:13:54.000 that they were assigned at birth, male, female, or intersex,

00:13:59.180 or differences in sexual development.

00:14:03.080 Hmm.

00:14:03.820 Sex education resources often use videos and pictures and diagrams

00:14:07.560 to portray important information,

00:14:10.720 though these images and videos have historically failed

00:14:13.220 to reflect and provide information about same-sex and queer relationships.

00:14:17.800 These guides also often unnecessarily gender body parts

00:14:22.820 as male parts or female parts

00:14:25.660 and refer to sex with women or sex with men,

00:14:30.020 including those who identify as non-binary.

00:14:34.640 Many individuals don't see body parts as having a gender.

00:14:39.640 People have a gender.

00:14:41.140 As a result, the notion that a penis is exclusively a male body part

00:14:53.640 and a vulva is exclusively a female body part

00:14:57.620 is inaccurate.

00:14:59.940 By using the word parts to talk about genitals

00:15:03.760 and using medical terms for anatomy

00:15:06.440 without attaching gender to it,

00:15:08.160 we become much more able to effectively discuss safe sex

00:15:11.180 in a way that is clear and inclusive.

00:15:14.040 For the purposes of this guide,

00:15:16.260 we refer to the vagina as the front hole

00:15:21.040 instead of using the medical term.

00:15:25.120 This gender-inclusive language that's considerate of the fact

00:15:28.980 that some trans people don't identify

00:15:31.440 with the labels of the medical community.

00:15:33.900 I am not teaching my children,

00:15:51.420 nor will I ever comply

00:15:53.740 to removing the medical term

00:15:57.780 and teach my children about sex

00:16:01.580 using the words

00:16:03.380 front hole.

00:16:06.140 I'm sorry.

00:16:08.460 No.

00:16:10.160 I...

00:16:10.880 I...

00:16:11.800 You want to do that?

00:16:13.380 That is fine.

00:16:15.100 But I will not comply.

00:16:19.420 When we first started having this conversation

00:16:22.780 about homosexuality,

00:16:25.200 I am a libertarian.

00:16:28.360 I was never against gay marriage.

00:16:30.760 What I am against

00:16:31.920 is forcing a church

00:16:33.940 or a group of people

00:16:36.020 to live within the standards

00:16:38.600 someone else's set,

00:16:40.580 someone else sets.

00:16:42.060 So,

00:16:43.160 if you want to get married,

00:16:46.440 go get married.

00:16:47.840 No skin off of my nose.

00:16:49.780 But do not come to my church

00:16:53.760 and tell me

00:16:54.620 what I must believe

00:16:56.500 or do.

00:16:58.320 My faith

00:16:59.380 is sacred to me

00:17:00.960 and it is

00:17:01.840 just as much a part of me

00:17:04.160 as anything else.

00:17:06.000 I cannot change

00:17:07.880 what I believe

00:17:09.300 and still be

00:17:10.800 me.

00:17:12.680 Now, it's interesting

00:17:13.920 because

00:17:14.600 remember,

00:17:16.440 you're teaching that

00:17:17.820 gender

00:17:18.780 is what you believe

00:17:20.540 and you cannot

00:17:21.540 change that.

00:17:23.100 Well, then,

00:17:23.880 I would say

00:17:24.660 my religious philosophy

00:17:26.820 is the same.

00:17:28.640 I wasn't born

00:17:30.100 with it.

00:17:31.640 It's what I believe.

00:17:33.480 I will not

00:17:37.900 tell you

00:17:38.860 what to do,

00:17:39.960 how to live,

00:17:41.080 how to speak.

00:17:43.020 Do not

00:17:43.880 tell me

00:17:44.940 what to do,

00:17:46.480 how to act,

00:17:47.640 what to say,

00:17:48.740 how to think.

00:17:50.560 You are not

00:17:51.840 the boss of me

00:17:53.100 and I am not

00:17:54.420 the boss of you.

00:17:56.340 I happen to believe

00:17:58.120 that all men

00:17:59.680 are created equal

00:18:00.840 and we are endowed

00:18:02.480 with certain

00:18:03.440 inalienable rights,

00:18:04.840 dare I say,

00:18:06.400 those rights

00:18:07.140 that come from God,

00:18:08.680 not from man.

00:18:12.700 And those rights

00:18:14.060 include life,

00:18:15.400 liberty,

00:18:15.760 and the pursuit

00:18:16.260 of happiness.

00:18:18.440 I am not a hater

00:18:20.040 for saying

00:18:21.260 no.

00:18:23.200 No.

00:18:25.200 When we first

00:18:26.420 started talking

00:18:27.300 about acceptance

00:18:28.480 of homosexuality,

00:18:29.820 the case

00:18:32.760 was made,

00:18:33.460 and I believe

00:18:34.200 this,

00:18:35.600 that you're born

00:18:36.540 this way.

00:18:38.040 Many people,

00:18:39.180 I believe,

00:18:39.840 are absolutely

00:18:41.000 born

00:18:42.040 feeling differently.

00:18:44.660 I believe it.

00:18:46.740 There's no

00:18:47.860 scientific proof

00:18:49.100 of it,

00:18:49.700 but I believe it.

00:18:51.400 I have,

00:18:52.280 I have seen

00:18:53.080 children.

00:18:54.220 Children are born

00:18:55.480 with their own

00:18:56.060 personalities

00:18:56.700 and their own,

00:18:57.620 I don't know,

00:18:58.640 their own thing.

00:19:00.640 And no matter

00:19:01.440 what,

00:19:02.280 it's pretty hard

00:19:03.360 to deny

00:19:04.000 that natural

00:19:04.960 thing that each

00:19:06.260 of them come out

00:19:06.960 with.

00:19:07.300 They all have

00:19:07.900 their own

00:19:08.320 personality

00:19:08.900 and their own

00:19:09.660 style

00:19:10.600 and their own

00:19:11.400 thing.

00:19:11.900 And every

00:19:13.140 single homosexual

00:19:14.060 person that I've

00:19:15.120 ever known,

00:19:16.340 loved,

00:19:17.100 or just even

00:19:18.340 met

00:19:18.880 would not

00:19:20.680 choose that

00:19:21.860 lifestyle.

00:19:22.860 Now,

00:19:23.280 that's changing.

00:19:23.940 but let's

00:19:26.600 not get so

00:19:27.260 arrogant that

00:19:27.940 we forget

00:19:28.780 how horrible

00:19:30.120 it was

00:19:30.980 for a long

00:19:32.380 time

00:19:32.960 to live

00:19:34.280 in the shadows.

00:19:35.480 I know

00:19:35.800 people who

00:19:36.680 prayed every

00:19:37.620 single day,

00:19:38.660 God,

00:19:39.280 please,

00:19:40.200 remove this

00:19:41.020 from me.

00:19:42.800 You are

00:19:43.600 who you are,

00:19:45.200 but so am I.

00:19:48.280 The best

00:19:49.240 of the Glenn Beck

00:19:49.880 program.

00:19:53.940 I don't know

00:20:10.080 if you heard

00:20:10.420 Chelsea Handler,

00:20:11.960 but Chelsea

00:20:13.180 Handler had...

00:20:14.080 I can almost

00:20:14.420 always say no

00:20:15.200 to a question

00:20:15.740 like that.

00:20:16.360 Well,

00:20:16.620 here's what

00:20:17.040 she has said

00:20:17.600 now about

00:20:18.360 Al Franken.

00:20:19.200 You mentioned

00:20:19.620 the Me Too

00:20:20.180 movement.

00:20:21.920 When it

00:20:22.440 comes to

00:20:22.680 the Democratic

00:20:23.120 Party,

00:20:23.620 they have

00:20:23.940 tried to

00:20:24.420 purge,

00:20:25.000 right,

00:20:25.440 politicians

00:20:26.080 who have

00:20:26.520 faced

00:20:26.780 allegations.

00:20:27.640 I know

00:20:27.820 you were

00:20:28.060 a supporter

00:20:28.420 of Al

00:20:28.780 Franken

00:20:29.060 in the past

00:20:29.720 and he

00:20:30.040 hasn't ruled

00:20:30.580 out running

00:20:31.060 again.

00:20:31.820 Should he?

00:20:32.460 I love

00:20:34.020 Al Franken,

00:20:34.720 so yes,

00:20:35.200 I would love

00:20:35.640 for Al

00:20:35.940 Franken to run

00:20:36.540 again.

00:20:36.940 Really?

00:20:37.460 Despite the...

00:20:38.360 I mean,

00:20:38.600 there were like

00:20:39.100 eight allegations

00:20:39.860 against him.

00:20:40.400 But have

00:20:40.860 women putting

00:20:42.180 their arm...

00:20:42.740 I don't want

00:20:43.120 to diminish...

00:20:44.220 Stop,

00:20:44.260 stop,

00:20:44.840 stop,

00:20:45.160 stop.

00:20:45.560 No,

00:20:46.140 they weren't

00:20:46.640 about him

00:20:47.240 putting his

00:20:47.940 arm around.

00:20:48.480 It wasn't the

00:20:49.060 picture.

00:20:50.040 It's what

00:20:50.520 that woman

00:20:50.960 said happened

00:20:52.140 to her all

00:20:53.760 during a comedy

00:20:54.540 tour before

00:20:56.100 that picture

00:20:56.880 was taken.

00:20:57.660 That was the

00:20:58.340 last insult.

00:20:59.880 Remember,

00:21:00.560 he assaulted

00:21:01.300 her backstage

00:21:02.360 and forced

00:21:04.200 himself on

00:21:05.200 her and jammed

00:21:06.140 his tongue

00:21:06.700 down her

00:21:07.340 throat.

00:21:08.180 Allegedly.

00:21:09.160 Allegedly.

00:21:09.920 But we have

00:21:10.480 to believe

00:21:11.000 the accuser,

00:21:11.780 don't we?

00:21:12.600 Well,

00:21:13.220 you know what?

00:21:13.900 No.

00:21:14.240 So there were

00:21:14.640 eight people

00:21:15.980 that said this

00:21:16.960 about Al

00:21:17.580 Franken.

00:21:17.920 All right,

00:21:18.900 now go back

00:21:19.480 to her.

00:21:20.100 Women putting

00:21:21.440 their arm...

00:21:22.020 I don't want

00:21:22.400 to diminish

00:21:23.680 anyone's legitimate

00:21:25.860 claim of feeling

00:21:27.200 like they've been

00:21:28.160 assaulted because

00:21:29.320 that's your

00:21:30.160 feeling.

00:21:31.420 But I think

00:21:32.280 there is a very

00:21:33.180 big difference

00:21:34.180 of a man

00:21:35.400 putting his arm

00:21:36.100 around you.

00:21:36.840 He's a comedian.

00:21:37.760 I've touched

00:21:38.700 people's breasts

00:21:39.980 and genitals.

00:21:41.280 I can't imagine

00:21:42.380 how many times

00:21:43.060 in photos.

00:21:43.820 That's just...

00:21:44.500 That doesn't

00:21:45.480 excuse it.

00:21:46.360 But it's something...

00:21:47.520 That's not a

00:21:48.080 rape.

00:21:48.500 That's not

00:21:48.920 sexual assault.

00:21:49.920 And it's not

00:21:50.820 repeated behavior

00:21:52.000 over and over

00:21:52.740 again.

00:21:53.340 Okay, so...

00:21:53.920 So wait...

00:21:54.940 So wait a minute.

00:21:56.240 So is she saying

00:21:57.620 because she's a

00:21:59.480 comedian,

00:22:00.640 because she's a

00:22:01.540 celebrity,

00:22:02.340 she can just

00:22:03.180 grab people's

00:22:04.100 genitals?

00:22:06.140 She's...

00:22:06.820 I don't know

00:22:07.200 that she's saying

00:22:07.700 you can do that,

00:22:08.560 but she's saying

00:22:08.980 she has done it.

00:22:09.760 She has done that.

00:22:10.700 So she's not

00:22:11.240 necessarily giving

00:22:12.160 advice,

00:22:13.060 but she is

00:22:14.540 bragging about

00:22:15.400 how many

00:22:16.080 she may have

00:22:18.360 grabbed in the

00:22:19.300 past.

00:22:20.380 She is bragging

00:22:21.040 about that,

00:22:21.500 yes.

00:22:21.600 Okay, all right.

00:22:22.460 I'm just trying

00:22:22.940 to just...

00:22:24.600 Just trying to

00:22:25.360 think if there's

00:22:25.820 anything else

00:22:26.480 that seems

00:22:28.300 similar to that,

00:22:29.140 but now it's

00:22:30.220 totally...

00:22:30.860 Now it's totally

00:22:31.820 okay.

00:22:32.240 And did you

00:22:32.700 notice she also

00:22:33.300 said,

00:22:33.880 I don't want

00:22:34.380 to dismiss

00:22:34.960 anyone's

00:22:35.720 legitimate claim.

00:22:38.140 Oh,

00:22:38.620 legitimate?

00:22:39.280 Is that

00:22:39.680 legitimate rape?

00:22:40.520 I remember

00:22:40.980 when that used

00:22:41.480 to sink

00:22:41.880 politicians,

00:22:42.760 and we'd

00:22:43.300 never hear

00:22:43.700 from them

00:22:44.040 ever again.

00:22:44.800 But she

00:22:45.100 didn't say

00:22:45.640 legitimate claim

00:22:46.600 of assault.

00:22:47.600 She said

00:22:47.960 legitimate claim

00:22:49.680 of feeling

00:22:51.460 as though you

00:22:52.420 were assaulted.

00:22:53.160 Yes.

00:22:53.600 Because that's

00:22:54.180 just feelings.

00:22:56.240 No, see,

00:22:57.060 this is the

00:22:57.540 problem with

00:22:58.040 postmodernism.

00:23:00.780 As Ben Shapiro

00:23:02.620 says,

00:23:03.400 facts don't care

00:23:04.420 about your

00:23:04.840 feelings.

00:23:05.840 It's a fact.

00:23:07.100 You were

00:23:07.440 either assaulted

00:23:08.420 or you

00:23:09.440 were not

00:23:10.060 assaulted.

00:23:10.740 You can

00:23:11.520 feel that

00:23:12.400 you were

00:23:12.700 assaulted

00:23:13.140 all you

00:23:13.880 want,

00:23:15.180 but that's

00:23:16.380 really a

00:23:16.740 problem with

00:23:17.240 you,

00:23:17.560 and I'm

00:23:17.860 not going

00:23:18.120 to delve

00:23:18.820 into your

00:23:19.440 sickness.

00:23:20.220 I am not

00:23:21.020 going to

00:23:21.620 verify and

00:23:23.420 condone and

00:23:25.040 coddle your

00:23:26.960 illegitimate

00:23:28.540 feelings of

00:23:30.420 being assaulted

00:23:31.760 if the

00:23:33.080 assault didn't

00:23:34.180 happen.

00:23:34.820 The same

00:23:35.080 way we don't

00:23:35.660 coddle someone

00:23:36.420 who did

00:23:37.060 assault

00:23:37.980 someone who

00:23:38.600 doesn't feel

00:23:39.280 like they

00:23:39.560 did anything

00:23:39.940 wrong.

00:23:40.400 Correct.

00:23:40.940 You don't,

00:23:41.320 it's about

00:23:41.880 what happened,

00:23:42.600 not about how

00:23:43.420 they feel about

00:23:44.200 it.

00:23:44.340 It's the

00:23:44.360 facts,

00:23:44.900 not the

00:23:45.740 feeling.

00:23:46.600 And, you

00:23:46.860 know, look,

00:23:47.240 I think she's

00:23:47.900 actually right

00:23:49.860 in the aspect

00:23:51.820 of there is a

00:23:53.120 major difference

00:23:54.200 between Chelsea

00:23:55.440 Handler jokingly

00:23:57.520 grabbing somebody

00:23:59.160 in a photo

00:24:00.100 and somebody

00:24:01.820 who is

00:24:03.020 actually assaulted

00:24:04.540 from Harvey

00:24:05.420 Weinstein.

00:24:06.000 There is a

00:24:06.640 line there.

00:24:07.100 That doesn't

00:24:07.380 mean that either

00:24:08.520 one is a good

00:24:09.140 idea, but there's

00:24:10.720 clearly a difference.

00:24:11.600 Do you know

00:24:11.760 anybody in your

00:24:12.660 life, I mean,

00:24:13.860 we know

00:24:14.260 comedians, do

00:24:15.020 you know

00:24:15.260 anybody in

00:24:16.040 your life that

00:24:16.880 can legitimately

00:24:18.360 say, I can't

00:24:20.020 even count the

00:24:21.040 number of people

00:24:21.860 I've grabbed by

00:24:22.720 the genitals in a

00:24:23.760 photograph?

00:24:24.340 I happened to

00:24:24.620 be watching an

00:24:25.120 office episode

00:24:26.060 the other day,

00:24:27.680 and in the

00:24:28.260 office episode,

00:24:29.580 Dwight and Pam

00:24:31.540 are trying to

00:24:32.100 decipher whether

00:24:32.900 Jim is attracted

00:24:33.680 to the new

00:24:34.100 office worker,

00:24:35.600 and in this

00:24:36.700 debate where

00:24:38.540 they're trying to

00:24:38.980 figure it out,

00:24:40.260 Dwight takes on

00:24:41.660 the task of

00:24:42.640 trying to

00:24:43.840 assess after

00:24:45.180 they're together,

00:24:46.000 and he fakes

00:24:47.680 falling down,

00:24:48.740 and he grabs

00:24:49.360 for something,

00:24:50.820 and I mean,

00:24:51.360 he grabs Jim's

00:24:53.020 his freeness

00:24:55.500 several times.

00:24:57.980 That's on a

00:24:58.600 TV show.

00:24:59.620 Right, I know.

00:25:00.320 She's saying

00:25:01.040 in photographs.

00:25:02.780 I can't.

00:25:03.380 Exactly, right.

00:25:04.320 So my point

00:25:04.920 though is that

00:25:05.380 if it's a,

00:25:05.980 you know,

00:25:06.260 there's a,

00:25:07.820 there is a,

00:25:09.280 it would be

00:25:09.820 ridiculous,

00:25:10.460 obviously,

00:25:10.980 and if someone

00:25:11.860 didn't want it

00:25:12.760 to happen or

00:25:13.340 didn't think it

00:25:14.020 was funny,

00:25:14.560 it would be

00:25:14.940 obviously very

00:25:15.680 bad.

00:25:16.240 Sure.

00:25:16.580 However,

00:25:17.140 you know,

00:25:17.820 I'm not,

00:25:18.300 I wouldn't

00:25:19.320 justify what

00:25:20.020 she's doing

00:25:20.520 there.

00:25:21.080 However,

00:25:21.540 I can see,

00:25:22.700 you know,

00:25:22.940 she's known

00:25:23.500 for sexual

00:25:24.220 comedy.

00:25:25.220 I think guys,

00:25:26.300 generally speaking,

00:25:27.020 don't really

00:25:27.840 care.

00:25:29.280 You know what I

00:25:29.780 mean?

00:25:29.880 Like,

00:25:30.060 I,

00:25:30.260 you know,

00:25:30.740 I don't

00:25:30.980 know that

00:25:31.320 that's ever

00:25:31.820 happened to

00:25:32.600 me,

00:25:32.880 but if it

00:25:33.200 did,

00:25:33.420 it wouldn't

00:25:33.700 really bother.

00:25:34.660 Genitals.

00:25:35.180 Like,

00:25:35.460 you'd be like,

00:25:35.800 what the hell,

00:25:36.360 get off me.

00:25:36.860 She said breasts.

00:25:38.240 Our genitals,

00:25:39.520 are those

00:25:40.140 exclusively male,

00:25:41.740 you cisgender

00:25:42.680 white pig?

00:25:43.540 I'm just saying

00:25:44.200 that I'm trying

00:25:44.940 to come up

00:25:45.220 with a circumstance.

00:25:46.280 My point,

00:25:46.860 however,

00:25:47.440 is more,

00:25:48.880 I guess,

00:25:49.860 targeted at the

00:25:50.520 idea that there

00:25:51.040 is a difference,

00:25:52.100 right?

00:25:52.720 There's no way,

00:25:53.800 there's no story

00:25:54.680 I can tell you

00:25:55.500 in which a

00:25:56.400 justified end

00:25:57.240 of like,

00:25:57.700 oh,

00:25:57.880 and then he

00:25:59.080 took off his

00:26:00.240 bathrobe and

00:26:00.880 forced her into

00:26:01.440 the shower.

00:26:02.080 There's not like

00:26:02.960 a,

00:26:03.260 there's not a

00:26:03.900 scenario.

00:26:05.060 So there is a

00:26:05.780 difference,

00:26:06.080 and we've pointed

00:26:06.840 this out many

00:26:07.560 times on the

00:26:08.220 show,

00:26:08.800 that there is a

00:26:09.620 major difference

00:26:10.220 between what Al

00:26:11.000 Franken did and

00:26:11.720 what Harvey

00:26:12.080 Weinstein did,

00:26:12.640 and they

00:26:12.840 shouldn't be

00:26:13.240 lumped in as

00:26:14.200 the exact same

00:26:14.980 thing.

00:26:15.620 I'm talking about

00:26:16.260 the photo part.

00:26:17.160 Yeah,

00:26:17.400 the photo part.

00:26:18.200 The photo part

00:26:18.940 with Al Franken

00:26:19.560 is not the part

00:26:20.660 that personally

00:26:22.260 disturbs me.

00:26:23.120 it is what

00:26:24.500 happened leading

00:26:26.160 up to the

00:26:26.740 photo.

00:26:27.500 Yeah,

00:26:27.860 and you know,

00:26:28.500 that's assault.

00:26:29.700 I mean,

00:26:30.220 there's been a

00:26:30.880 wide range of

00:26:32.120 this.

00:26:32.260 There's a

00:26:32.560 spectrum.

00:26:32.920 We now like

00:26:33.820 understand kind

00:26:34.540 of the idea

00:26:35.000 of the spectrum

00:26:35.680 from,

00:26:37.300 you know,

00:26:37.680 different,

00:26:38.640 you know,

00:26:39.100 medical situations,

00:26:40.240 and there's a

00:26:41.260 spectrum here.

00:26:42.040 That doesn't mean

00:26:42.800 that any of it's

00:26:43.320 good,

00:26:43.760 but I mean,

00:26:44.280 when you're

00:26:44.540 talking about

00:26:44.860 like Louis C.K.

00:26:45.680 is much different

00:26:46.480 than Harvey

00:26:47.240 Weinstein.

00:26:48.160 You know,

00:26:48.800 Glenn Thrush,

00:26:50.480 who was one of

00:26:51.220 the reporters,

00:26:51.780 is much different

00:26:52.400 than anything

00:26:52.920 that we saw

00:26:53.600 from,

00:26:54.120 you know,

00:26:54.900 the worst

00:26:55.560 of the worst.

00:26:56.580 And like,

00:26:57.280 the idea that

00:26:57.960 all of those

00:26:58.480 are lumped in

00:26:59.220 under this

00:26:59.820 thing,

00:27:00.360 me too,

00:27:00.880 is a problem,

00:27:02.340 I think,

00:27:03.200 that society

00:27:03.840 has not figured

00:27:04.540 out how to

00:27:04.860 deal with yet.

00:27:05.900 And so there's

00:27:06.620 an element

00:27:07.040 there where

00:27:08.500 you could say,

00:27:09.040 okay,

00:27:09.260 well,

00:27:09.500 what she's

00:27:09.880 saying has

00:27:10.300 some merit.

00:27:12.740 However,

00:27:13.460 Chelsea Handler

00:27:14.160 is not a fair

00:27:15.120 arbiter,

00:27:15.700 and she's just

00:27:16.640 defending this

00:27:17.120 person because

00:27:17.520 she likes him.

00:27:18.560 I think we all

00:27:19.120 recognize that the

00:27:19.960 reason she's

00:27:20.400 coming up with

00:27:20.900 these wonderful

00:27:21.420 excuses on these

00:27:22.300 things is because

00:27:23.040 she likes Al

00:27:24.120 Franken,

00:27:24.500 and if it was

00:27:24.880 a conservative

00:27:25.320 doing the exact

00:27:25.900 same thing,

00:27:26.380 she'd be on

00:27:26.880 Twitter saying

00:27:27.380 how horrible

00:27:27.900 they were,

00:27:28.300 and they were

00:27:28.540 all mass

00:27:29.080 rapists,

00:27:29.520 and they should

00:27:29.820 all go to

00:27:30.140 prison.

00:27:30.900 And that's

00:27:31.380 the problem.

00:27:32.160 Well,

00:27:32.440 she may know

00:27:33.260 Al Franken.

00:27:34.320 There's a

00:27:34.760 difference.

00:27:35.560 I mean,

00:27:36.400 you know,

00:27:37.120 I've had several

00:27:38.000 conversations with

00:27:39.080 Bill O'Reilly.

00:27:39.980 It's not that I

00:27:40.580 know Bill O'Reilly.

00:27:41.940 I know other

00:27:42.840 people as well,

00:27:43.680 and I don't

00:27:44.260 defend them.

00:27:45.940 You know,

00:27:46.660 it's not that you

00:27:47.500 know them,

00:27:48.300 or that I agree

00:27:49.320 with their politics.

00:27:50.100 I think in the

00:27:50.620 worst case scenario,

00:27:51.580 it is.

00:27:52.420 Yeah,

00:27:52.580 I mean,

00:27:52.740 like,

00:27:52.920 even,

00:27:53.640 I mean,

00:27:53.900 you talked about

00:27:54.960 Roger Ailes many

00:27:55.740 times,

00:27:56.060 and I don't think

00:27:56.720 I've heard you

00:27:57.260 put up a defense

00:27:58.480 of Roger,

00:27:59.220 even though you

00:28:00.240 believe him very

00:28:00.940 well,

00:28:01.660 where,

00:28:02.000 you know,

00:28:02.300 Bill,

00:28:02.640 you've known

00:28:03.600 fairly well as

00:28:04.380 well over the

00:28:05.160 years,

00:28:05.500 and,

00:28:06.500 you know,

00:28:06.760 again,

00:28:07.340 when you are

00:28:07.880 involved in a

00:28:09.040 situation where

00:28:11.220 someone has been

00:28:12.000 accused of

00:28:12.460 something terrible,

00:28:13.200 someone you know

00:28:14.100 well,

00:28:15.100 you should

00:28:18.160 insert your

00:28:20.940 personal knowledge

00:28:21.980 of that person

00:28:22.820 into your analysis

00:28:24.080 of the situation.

00:28:25.180 That does not

00:28:25.760 mean you get,

00:28:26.740 they get a free

00:28:27.500 pass for anything

00:28:28.260 they've done.

00:28:28.780 Without dismissing

00:28:29.560 facts.

00:28:30.260 Absolutely.

00:28:31.100 That is the way

00:28:31.540 you do it.

00:28:31.780 It's not my feelings

00:28:32.500 that steer me and

00:28:34.600 say,

00:28:35.100 I don't believe that

00:28:36.540 about Bill.

00:28:38.300 It's the fact that

00:28:39.820 we've traveled with

00:28:41.160 him and been around

00:28:42.140 him for a long

00:28:43.040 time,

00:28:43.420 and none of

00:28:44.420 us ever saw

00:28:45.640 anything like

00:28:46.660 this,

00:28:47.220 ever,

00:28:48.340 and can't even

00:28:49.240 imagine it.

00:28:50.220 Doesn't mean it's

00:28:50.800 not true,

00:28:51.260 didn't happen,

00:28:52.160 but I don't know

00:28:53.080 that,

00:28:53.440 and I'm not going

00:28:54.080 to judge him.

00:28:54.700 Exactly,

00:28:55.100 and everybody

00:28:55.480 knows,

00:28:55.920 I mean,

00:28:56.180 you know,

00:28:56.460 the office is a

00:28:57.280 good example,

00:28:57.980 you know,

00:28:58.420 Packer,

00:28:59.300 who comes in all

00:28:59.860 the time and

00:29:00.340 is like talking

00:29:00.880 about how he's

00:29:01.600 having sex while

00:29:02.620 he's women on

00:29:03.120 the road,

00:29:03.560 and he's always

00:29:04.040 groping people

00:29:05.060 and making

00:29:05.400 inappropriate jokes.

00:29:06.600 Everybody knows

00:29:07.400 a guy like that,

00:29:08.320 and if they got

00:29:09.120 accused of something,

00:29:09.860 you'd say,

00:29:10.280 that does not

00:29:11.060 surprise me at all.

00:29:11.580 That is Donald

00:29:13.080 Trump.

00:29:14.360 Come on.

00:29:18.480 You're listening

00:29:19.240 to the best

00:29:20.040 of the Glenn Beck

00:29:20.760 program.

00:29:21.180 My new book,

00:29:26.200 Addicted to Outrage,

00:29:27.640 comes out here

00:29:28.960 in the next

00:29:30.760 couple of weeks.

00:29:31.720 September 18th

00:29:32.780 is when it's

00:29:33.340 available in stores.

00:29:34.340 I ask you to go

00:29:34.900 to Amazon

00:29:35.360 and pick up a copy.

00:29:37.080 It is not just

00:29:38.520 a look at

00:29:39.460 what's happening

00:29:40.800 today.

00:29:41.780 Some of it is

00:29:42.520 very,

00:29:42.840 very funny.

00:29:43.480 Some of it

00:29:44.060 is pretty terrifying.

00:29:46.200 It's a look at

00:29:46.700 today,

00:29:47.480 tomorrow,

00:29:48.100 and our history,

00:29:49.120 and it asks

00:29:51.140 in the middle

00:29:51.600 of it five

00:29:52.320 important questions

00:29:53.480 that we have

00:29:55.140 to ask ourselves

00:29:55.900 as a nation.

00:29:56.420 If we want

00:29:57.120 to save

00:29:57.760 the Western

00:29:58.280 society,

00:29:59.120 is it worth

00:30:00.220 saving?

00:30:00.780 Are we good

00:30:01.540 or are we bad?

00:30:04.840 I use the

00:30:06.220 example in the

00:30:07.280 book of

00:30:07.880 Winston Churchill.

00:30:08.640 I'm a huge

00:30:09.640 Churchill fan,

00:30:10.860 but if you were

00:30:11.940 from India,

00:30:13.660 Churchill was a

00:30:14.500 monster.

00:30:16.360 So which is he?

00:30:17.540 Is he good or bad?

00:30:19.120 Arthur Herman

00:30:20.860 is the author

00:30:22.380 of Gandhi

00:30:23.200 and Churchill,

00:30:24.160 a finalist

00:30:24.720 for the Pulitzer

00:30:25.440 Prize,

00:30:25.960 but he's also

00:30:26.380 the author

00:30:26.720 of one of my

00:30:27.140 favorite books,

00:30:28.220 Freedom's Forge.

00:30:28.980 It came out

00:30:29.340 a few years ago,

00:30:30.880 and I've wanted

00:30:32.280 to have him

00:30:32.840 on the show

00:30:33.240 for quite some

00:30:34.140 time,

00:30:34.660 but he's here

00:30:35.540 with us today.

00:30:36.340 Arthur,

00:30:36.760 welcome to the

00:30:37.260 program.

00:30:37.680 How are you?

00:30:38.800 I'm doing very

00:30:39.680 well.

00:30:40.040 It's a pleasure

00:30:40.400 to be on.

00:30:41.180 Hey,

00:30:41.460 are you going

00:30:41.720 to send me

00:30:42.060 a copy

00:30:42.400 of your new

00:30:42.800 book?

00:30:43.980 Yes,

00:30:44.380 I will.

00:30:44.800 If you'd

00:30:45.040 send me a copy

00:30:46.300 of Freedom's Forge

00:30:47.980 signed,

00:30:48.520 I would cherish it.

00:30:51.480 Delighted to do that.

00:30:52.320 Yeah.

00:30:53.300 Freedom's Forge,

00:30:54.080 and we'll get

00:30:54.380 into it a little

00:30:54.800 while,

00:30:55.660 Freedom's Forge

00:30:56.240 is just a

00:30:57.620 tremendous,

00:30:58.920 tremendous

00:30:59.660 history book

00:31:00.840 that I think

00:31:01.500 everybody should

00:31:02.140 have.

00:31:03.620 I appreciate that.

00:31:04.780 Let me go back

00:31:05.840 to Churchill

00:31:06.540 and Gandhi.

00:31:09.040 Sure.

00:31:09.600 If you were

00:31:10.360 from,

00:31:11.100 you know,

00:31:11.780 India,

00:31:12.260 you see

00:31:12.740 Gandhi

00:31:13.200 completely

00:31:14.180 differently

00:31:14.740 than those

00:31:17.740 in the West

00:31:18.220 do.

00:31:19.780 Yeah,

00:31:20.080 I think

00:31:20.300 that's probably

00:31:20.940 true,

00:31:21.400 especially today.

00:31:22.560 I would say

00:31:22.980 less so

00:31:24.180 during the

00:31:26.260 wartime

00:31:27.080 period

00:31:27.700 when you

00:31:29.000 saw that

00:31:29.520 there was

00:31:29.860 a lot

00:31:30.300 of respect,

00:31:31.540 including

00:31:31.820 by Gandhi,

00:31:33.080 for Churchill

00:31:34.020 for his

00:31:34.680 defiant stand

00:31:35.680 against the

00:31:36.260 Nazis and

00:31:36.900 his ability

00:31:37.480 to really

00:31:38.640 rally Britain,

00:31:40.060 which a lot

00:31:40.580 of Indians

00:31:41.000 thought,

00:31:41.880 hey,

00:31:42.160 you know,

00:31:42.440 Britain,

00:31:42.840 it's on

00:31:43.120 the decline,

00:31:44.180 it's losing

00:31:45.160 its credibility

00:31:46.560 around the

00:31:47.200 world,

00:31:48.260 it's an

00:31:49.060 imperialist

00:31:49.660 power,

00:31:50.560 and they

00:31:51.740 were,

00:31:51.980 I think,

00:31:52.500 quite shocked

00:31:53.040 and surprised

00:31:53.660 with the way

00:31:54.020 in which

00:31:54.280 Churchill was

00:31:54.820 able to

00:31:55.520 rally the

00:31:56.340 British people

00:31:56.920 and then

00:31:57.500 basically rally

00:31:58.480 the free

00:31:58.840 world to

00:32:00.000 fight against

00:32:00.500 Nazism.

00:32:01.320 But you're

00:32:01.740 right,

00:32:02.060 today a lot

00:32:03.060 of the focus

00:32:03.560 is on

00:32:04.180 Churchill,

00:32:05.240 you know,

00:32:05.680 as a

00:32:06.460 white

00:32:06.640 supremacist,

00:32:07.760 as supposedly

00:32:09.380 the guy

00:32:10.780 who triggered

00:32:11.880 the Great

00:32:12.460 Bengal Famine

00:32:13.640 during the

00:32:14.660 course of

00:32:15.000 the war

00:32:15.300 in 43,

00:32:15.980 44.

00:32:16.680 You don't

00:32:18.080 think so?

00:32:19.160 No,

00:32:19.720 I don't

00:32:19.980 think so

00:32:20.380 at all.

00:32:20.800 I think

00:32:21.020 what you

00:32:21.720 come to

00:32:22.200 realize

00:32:22.580 about the

00:32:23.000 Great

00:32:23.200 Bengal

00:32:23.580 Famine

00:32:24.080 is it

00:32:24.460 was a

00:32:24.740 concatenation

00:32:25.520 of bad

00:32:27.420 circumstances,

00:32:28.720 the loss

00:32:29.320 of Burma,

00:32:31.020 which had

00:32:31.320 been India's

00:32:32.500 main source

00:32:33.160 for rice

00:32:34.900 imports

00:32:35.620 and a

00:32:36.900 lot of

00:32:37.500 mishandling

00:32:38.140 on the

00:32:38.420 ground

00:32:38.700 by the

00:32:39.740 British

00:32:40.720 bureaucracy.

00:32:41.720 The civil

00:32:42.020 service

00:32:42.440 bureaucracy

00:32:42.960 basically

00:32:43.560 failed to

00:32:44.820 deal with

00:32:45.620 the problem

00:32:46.140 that for

00:32:46.680 30 years

00:32:47.780 they had

00:32:48.040 been assuring

00:32:48.560 Indians they

00:32:49.240 could deal

00:32:49.680 with.

00:32:50.240 I mean,

00:32:50.480 it's big

00:32:50.860 government

00:32:51.180 in action,

00:32:52.000 Glenn,

00:32:52.640 and they

00:32:53.820 failed utterly

00:32:54.660 until

00:32:55.360 Churchill

00:32:56.320 appointed

00:32:57.080 Archibald

00:32:58.260 Wavell

00:32:58.660 as

00:32:59.900 Viceroy

00:33:00.520 and he

00:33:00.860 managed to

00:33:01.320 turn the

00:33:01.680 situation

00:33:02.160 around

00:33:02.580 with

00:33:02.920 Churchill's

00:33:03.600 encouragement.

00:33:05.160 So,

00:33:05.420 you know,

00:33:05.640 Churchill,

00:33:06.240 if I may

00:33:06.900 speak on

00:33:07.320 this subject,

00:33:08.240 people talk

00:33:08.940 about the

00:33:09.320 similarities

00:33:09.940 between

00:33:10.280 Churchill

00:33:10.640 and Donald

00:33:11.440 Trump,

00:33:12.060 and I

00:33:13.040 don't think

00:33:13.440 sometimes

00:33:13.880 that's a

00:33:14.260 bit overblown,

00:33:14.960 but Churchill

00:33:15.880 had his own

00:33:16.900 version of

00:33:17.480 tweets,

00:33:18.400 which was

00:33:19.200 his outbursts,

00:33:21.280 especially in

00:33:22.200 front of the

00:33:22.540 war council,

00:33:23.320 in which he

00:33:23.720 would denounce

00:33:25.340 India for

00:33:27.360 bothering him

00:33:29.400 about the

00:33:29.960 food shipments

00:33:30.920 and about

00:33:31.240 the need

00:33:31.580 to divert

00:33:32.520 food supplies

00:33:34.020 to India

00:33:34.580 when they

00:33:34.920 were needed

00:33:35.560 for the

00:33:38.240 armed forces,

00:33:39.240 and he

00:33:39.840 was capable

00:33:40.340 of saying

00:33:40.800 some quite

00:33:41.320 shocking

00:33:41.740 things.

00:33:42.760 And so,

00:33:43.640 just as

00:33:44.240 people focus

00:33:44.960 on Trump's

00:33:46.300 Twitter feed

00:33:47.760 and think

00:33:48.920 that that's

00:33:49.360 a clue to

00:33:49.940 understanding

00:33:50.540 his mind

00:33:51.400 and his

00:33:51.660 policies,

00:33:52.680 there's been

00:33:53.620 a tendency

00:33:54.060 to look at

00:33:54.840 Churchill's

00:33:55.520 kind of

00:33:56.160 irritated

00:33:56.700 outbursts.

00:33:57.200 He had a

00:33:57.420 lot in his

00:33:57.840 mind in

00:33:58.360 1943.

00:33:59.500 Yeah,

00:33:59.720 a little bit.

00:34:00.400 A little bit.

00:34:01.180 Yeah,

00:34:01.380 a little bit.

00:34:01.960 And having

00:34:02.560 to deal

00:34:02.940 with a

00:34:03.200 crisis far,

00:34:04.660 far away

00:34:05.340 in a

00:34:06.580 country

00:34:08.500 which was

00:34:09.460 already

00:34:09.900 plunged into

00:34:11.560 chaos because

00:34:12.680 of civil

00:34:13.120 disobedience

00:34:13.960 kind of

00:34:16.040 strained his

00:34:17.400 patience.

00:34:18.020 And so,

00:34:18.420 he said

00:34:18.800 things,

00:34:19.320 let off

00:34:19.660 steam,

00:34:20.520 that historians

00:34:21.320 today,

00:34:22.080 particularly

00:34:22.360 certain Indian

00:34:23.260 historians,

00:34:24.100 capitalize on

00:34:24.840 as a way

00:34:25.760 to promote

00:34:26.140 the idea

00:34:26.800 that Churchill

00:34:28.380 was somehow

00:34:29.280 either responsible

00:34:30.660 for or even

00:34:31.640 the architect

00:34:32.300 of the Great

00:34:33.200 Bengal Famine.

00:34:34.100 It was a

00:34:34.340 terrible famine.

00:34:35.280 One and a

00:34:35.800 half million

00:34:36.200 people died.

00:34:38.280 But Churchill's

00:34:39.600 responsibility

00:34:40.080 for this

00:34:40.900 shrinks away

00:34:41.940 when you look

00:34:42.940 at what the

00:34:43.700 real situation

00:34:44.440 was and

00:34:44.920 understand it

00:34:45.500 in the course

00:34:45.960 of the history

00:34:47.840 of India

00:34:48.280 under British

00:34:48.860 rule.

00:34:49.280 Talking to

00:34:49.760 one of my

00:34:50.080 favorite authors

00:34:51.380 and historians,

00:34:52.600 senior fellow

00:34:53.100 of the Hudson

00:34:53.480 Institute,

00:34:54.000 Arthur Herman,

00:34:55.300 author of

00:34:56.800 Freedom's Forge,

00:34:58.000 also Gandhi

00:34:59.400 and Churchill.

00:35:00.400 Wouldn't you

00:35:01.100 say that

00:35:02.100 all great

00:35:03.420 men are

00:35:04.980 both good

00:35:06.800 and bad

00:35:07.660 when you

00:35:08.020 look back

00:35:08.720 through the

00:35:09.600 eyes of

00:35:10.120 today's history

00:35:11.220 that there

00:35:12.140 is no

00:35:12.700 perfect man.

00:35:14.100 Gandhi

00:35:14.380 was a

00:35:15.520 racist as

00:35:16.280 well.

00:35:16.680 He didn't

00:35:17.140 see the

00:35:18.880 plight of

00:35:20.020 the Africans

00:35:21.740 which was

00:35:24.620 very similar

00:35:25.280 to his

00:35:25.820 own in

00:35:26.400 India.

00:35:27.220 He didn't

00:35:27.600 want to be

00:35:28.000 seated on

00:35:28.480 the same

00:35:28.800 train car

00:35:29.400 with an

00:35:30.760 African.

00:35:32.040 Yes,

00:35:32.500 as the

00:35:33.480 derogatory

00:35:34.200 term of

00:35:34.880 the day,

00:35:36.040 the equivalent

00:35:37.480 of N-word

00:35:38.180 for us

00:35:38.580 kafirs.

00:35:39.880 And Gandhi

00:35:41.180 was fairly

00:35:42.040 contemptuous

00:35:42.740 of the

00:35:43.380 blacks in

00:35:44.560 South Africa.

00:35:45.300 But that

00:35:45.340 doesn't

00:35:45.600 explain in

00:35:47.100 the book,

00:35:47.480 he began

00:35:50.860 his civil

00:35:51.320 disobedience

00:35:52.020 campaigns in

00:35:53.460 South Africa

00:35:54.460 to call

00:35:56.580 attention to

00:35:57.180 the plight

00:35:57.700 of Indians

00:35:59.360 living there

00:36:00.680 who he

00:36:01.420 believed,

00:36:02.120 I think

00:36:02.420 correctly,

00:36:03.100 should be

00:36:03.480 treated with

00:36:04.020 the same

00:36:04.480 rights as

00:36:05.280 any other

00:36:05.820 British

00:36:06.100 subject.

00:36:07.000 But his

00:36:07.660 big complaint

00:36:08.420 was that

00:36:09.000 they had

00:36:09.300 been

00:36:09.460 relegated

00:36:10.080 on the

00:36:10.940 other side

00:36:11.400 of the

00:36:11.620 color line

00:36:12.520 away from

00:36:13.140 white

00:36:13.760 inhabitants

00:36:15.280 and citizens

00:36:17.260 in South

00:36:17.860 Africa,

00:36:18.540 but then

00:36:18.860 relegated to

00:36:19.540 the same

00:36:19.940 side as

00:36:20.840 South Africa's

00:36:22.720 blacks.

00:36:23.220 He wanted

00:36:23.780 Indians

00:36:24.320 pushed to

00:36:25.060 the correct

00:36:25.880 side,

00:36:26.260 the upper

00:36:26.580 side.

00:36:27.120 Right.

00:36:27.620 With nothing

00:36:28.460 to say about

00:36:29.220 the blacks.

00:36:30.520 Very little

00:36:31.380 to say about

00:36:32.080 that.

00:36:32.360 It was not

00:36:32.740 his concern

00:36:33.380 and it

00:36:34.880 was not

00:36:35.320 an issue

00:36:35.820 that really

00:36:37.240 motivated his

00:36:38.860 multiple visits

00:36:40.060 with the

00:36:41.780 British

00:36:42.120 regard to

00:36:43.660 the Indian

00:36:44.360 presence in

00:36:45.400 Africa generally.

00:36:47.340 He was a

00:36:47.880 nationalist.

00:36:48.540 I mean,

00:36:49.140 and this is

00:36:49.600 one of the

00:36:49.960 things that I

00:36:50.400 think both

00:36:50.900 he and

00:36:51.300 as I explain

00:36:51.780 in the book,

00:36:52.220 both he and

00:36:53.020 Churchill

00:36:53.420 were both

00:36:54.580 very strong

00:36:55.900 nationalists.

00:36:57.160 And Gandhi

00:36:57.900 has come to

00:36:58.660 be given a

00:36:59.560 kind of this

00:37:00.100 universalist,

00:37:01.420 globalist

00:37:02.160 kind of agenda

00:37:03.520 because of his

00:37:04.240 pacifism and

00:37:05.240 his belief in

00:37:06.340 passive resistance.

00:37:07.800 But he was an

00:37:08.360 Indian nationalist

00:37:09.020 from beginning to

00:37:09.800 end.

00:37:10.360 And that's what

00:37:11.340 drove him and

00:37:12.040 that was his

00:37:13.920 legacy.

00:37:14.260 So do you walk

00:37:15.420 away feeling the

00:37:16.440 same way about

00:37:17.240 Gandhi and

00:37:18.080 Churchill that

00:37:18.900 you could just

00:37:21.060 concentrate?

00:37:21.640 What I'm driving

00:37:22.300 towards is we're

00:37:23.500 asking now if

00:37:25.400 America is a

00:37:26.200 good place or a

00:37:26.880 bad place.

00:37:27.520 It's both.

00:37:28.800 It's both.

00:37:29.600 It's what are

00:37:30.500 we getting better

00:37:31.700 or are we

00:37:32.320 getting worse?

00:37:33.120 I think we're

00:37:33.860 getting better in

00:37:35.560 the long term.

00:37:36.420 We're getting much

00:37:37.120 better as a

00:37:37.980 people.

00:37:38.540 But we've done

00:37:39.260 horrible things.

00:37:40.420 We've done really

00:37:41.320 amazing, great

00:37:42.180 things.

00:37:42.860 We're neither bad

00:37:44.700 nor good.

00:37:45.340 We're both.

00:37:46.820 And that's what

00:37:47.280 the proper study

00:37:48.060 of history should

00:37:48.660 bring, Glenn, and

00:37:50.060 also of the study

00:37:51.380 of historical

00:37:52.500 figures.

00:37:52.980 I think you're

00:37:53.320 absolutely on the

00:37:54.060 mark here.

00:37:54.820 And, you know,

00:37:55.140 what I've written

00:37:55.580 about, look at my

00:37:57.840 record of biographies,

00:37:59.300 the Gandhi and

00:37:59.880 Churchill book, my

00:38:01.220 book on Douglas

00:38:01.860 MacArthur, reaching

00:38:03.300 back almost 20

00:38:04.180 years, my book on

00:38:04.880 Joseph McCarthy.

00:38:05.940 You know, I did a

00:38:06.400 book on McCarthy, and

00:38:07.420 what I explained in

00:38:08.860 there was that, yeah,

00:38:10.000 there was a lot of

00:38:10.600 bad about McCarthy.

00:38:12.120 There was a lot of

00:38:12.680 good, too.

00:38:13.360 He was on to a

00:38:14.460 real issue.

00:38:15.420 Namely, the

00:38:16.340 communist conspiracy

00:38:17.460 to subvert the U.S.

00:38:19.400 government and the

00:38:21.160 way in which it had

00:38:21.900 infiltrated into the

00:38:23.460 federal government in

00:38:24.300 the 1930s and 1940s.

00:38:26.440 But people were

00:38:27.380 outraged because, in

00:38:28.560 many cases, people

00:38:29.400 want, you know,

00:38:30.900 they want saints and

00:38:32.900 villains.

00:38:34.120 Yeah.

00:38:34.560 And it's really hard

00:38:36.940 to do.

00:38:37.320 It's really hard with a

00:38:38.200 handful of characters

00:38:39.800 in history.

00:38:40.920 I think you know who

00:38:41.540 they are.

00:38:42.100 It's really hard to

00:38:43.340 find ones in

00:38:44.140 democratic Western

00:38:45.440 societies who fit

00:38:46.880 either one of those

00:38:48.680 bills.

00:38:49.120 So let me break here,

00:38:51.620 and then I want to

00:38:52.440 pick it up because I

00:38:53.640 think McCarthy is a

00:38:54.860 really great example.

00:38:56.860 I first started reading

00:38:57.900 about McCarthy and

00:38:59.700 realizing, wait a

00:39:01.280 minute, wait a

00:39:01.640 minute.

00:39:01.820 He's not this, you

00:39:04.260 know, black-cloaked

00:39:05.840 Darth Vader, you know,

00:39:07.620 villain every step of

00:39:09.840 the way.

00:39:10.300 He really did have

00:39:12.500 some things right.

00:39:13.860 But if we can't

00:39:14.760 recognize that nuance,

00:39:16.240 because we're now in a

00:39:17.580 society where you're

00:39:19.160 either 100% in the boat

00:39:21.400 or on the train, or

00:39:22.640 you're 100% off the

00:39:24.360 train.

00:39:24.840 And that's not where a

00:39:27.560 healthy society should be.

00:39:29.280 Can you draw parallels

00:39:31.360 between today and the

00:39:35.000 Red Scare?

00:39:35.820 Are we facing a new

00:39:37.600 form of McCarthyism,

00:39:39.880 except it's now the

00:39:41.500 hunt for those who

00:39:42.460 will not abide with

00:39:44.680 postmodernism?

00:39:46.980 Yeah, I think there's a

00:39:49.000 lot of truth to that.

00:39:50.340 And what we come to

00:39:51.300 realize is when you

00:39:52.200 really study the history

00:39:53.720 of intellectuals,

00:39:56.320 right?

00:39:56.600 And that would be an

00:39:57.060 interesting book,

00:39:57.780 wouldn't it?

00:39:58.680 Intellectuals through

00:39:59.340 history, particularly in

00:40:00.360 the modern age.

00:40:01.320 And what you come to

00:40:02.240 realize is that contrary

00:40:04.680 contrary to their own

00:40:07.560 self-image, they don't

00:40:08.920 tend to be really

00:40:09.920 supporters of liberty

00:40:11.040 and freedom.

00:40:12.820 You look at the role

00:40:14.020 that, for example,

00:40:16.040 German academics played

00:40:17.300 during the Nazi period,

00:40:18.500 when they basically

00:40:19.660 closed ranks with the

00:40:20.800 government, expelled

00:40:21.840 their Jewish colleagues,

00:40:25.780 and signed petitions

00:40:27.340 lining up in support of

00:40:29.920 the Third Reich.

00:40:30.600 during the 1930s, you

00:40:33.540 had a similar group

00:40:34.740 think on the far left

00:40:36.560 supporting communist and

00:40:38.660 fellow traveler

00:40:39.520 organizations signing

00:40:40.960 petitions, which got them

00:40:42.840 into trouble in the 1950s.

00:40:45.460 And then in the 1950s,

00:40:47.340 when there were attacks on

00:40:49.840 dissent and scrutiny from

00:40:55.320 government about the

00:40:57.060 curricula that was being

00:40:58.540 used in classes, in

00:41:01.140 sociology, and in the

00:41:04.380 social sciences generally,

00:41:06.820 in literature, the

00:41:08.700 universities, with a few

00:41:09.980 exceptions, basically went

00:41:11.660 along with the attacks.

00:41:13.600 When Bertrand Russell, for

00:41:15.120 example, the British

00:41:15.920 philosopher, was denied

00:41:20.360 entry into the country

00:41:23.340 because of his atheism,

00:41:24.700 there were some academics

00:41:25.860 who stood up for his right

00:41:27.300 to speak, even if they

00:41:28.240 disagreed, like Sidney

00:41:29.860 Hook, and there were

00:41:30.560 others who did not, many

00:41:32.280 others who didn't.

00:41:33.500 And I think what we're

00:41:34.200 seeing right now is that

00:41:35.600 the radicalization, the

00:41:37.380 long march through the

00:41:38.800 institutions, remember

00:41:39.820 that line from the 1960s,

00:41:42.040 has really come into its

00:41:44.140 own in the American

00:41:45.620 Academy, in the humanities,

00:41:48.260 in the liberal arts, and

00:41:49.720 in the social sciences.

00:41:51.420 And what they've done is to

00:41:52.740 create a kind of, I'm going

00:41:54.580 to use this term, intellectual

00:41:56.380 gulag, in the sense that if

00:41:58.860 you don't adhere to the

00:42:00.060 party line, if you even

00:42:01.760 waver from it or express

00:42:04.480 doubt about the wisdom of

00:42:06.700 having such a party line,

00:42:08.260 then punishment is meted out

00:42:09.860 to you, not beatings and

00:42:12.160 attacks, unless, of course,

00:42:13.960 you're Charles Murray, but

00:42:16.400 with being silenced and being

00:42:18.240 denied tenure and coming

00:42:20.540 under attack.

00:42:21.300 The difference, of

00:42:22.540 course, Glenn, and the

00:42:23.620 irony is, is that this is

00:42:24.900 all being done, not as a

00:42:25.980 result of government

00:42:26.580 pressure being put to bear

00:42:28.840 on institutions, as was the

00:42:30.400 case, you know, with the

00:42:32.160 universities in Nazi

00:42:33.240 Germany or universities

00:42:34.520 during the so-called Red

00:42:35.980 Scare.

00:42:36.740 This is pressure coming from

00:42:38.440 within, from administrators

00:42:40.180 and radicals.

00:42:41.320 If you look at Nazi

00:42:43.780 Germany, though, a lot of

00:42:45.320 that was internal pressure as

00:42:46.880 well, not just from the

00:42:47.900 government.

00:42:48.380 I mean, especially when it

00:42:49.280 comes to science, the, you

00:42:51.660 know, the doctors and the

00:42:52.660 nurses were.

00:42:53.940 That's right, which I've

00:42:54.580 written about, as you know,

00:42:55.520 written about in my Idea of

00:42:56.840 Decline book, about the

00:42:58.400 influence of race, science

00:43:01.240 and eugenics, all done, of

00:43:02.980 course, in the interest of

00:43:04.180 progressive.

00:43:05.040 Progress.

00:43:05.660 Yeah.

00:43:06.060 Progress and progressive

00:43:07.800 ideologies, including

00:43:08.900 socialism, but with

00:43:10.340 horrendous effects later on.

00:43:12.980 So let's talk a little bit

00:43:14.780 about, um, the cycle of

00:43:17.720 American history and, and

00:43:20.120 where, where do you think

00:43:21.640 we are, Arthur?

00:43:22.540 Have we been here before?

00:43:24.680 And do we survive?

00:43:28.880 Okay.

00:43:29.600 That's right.

00:43:30.300 Put, uh, put your historian,

00:43:31.780 uh, on the spot.

00:43:33.320 Yes.

00:43:33.740 Make him pull out his

00:43:34.640 crystal ball.

00:43:35.560 That's right.

00:43:36.040 Well, I will tell you, I, I

00:43:38.000 with you, unlike you, I share

00:43:39.800 a great optimism about where

00:43:42.260 the American experiment is

00:43:44.260 headed long-term.

00:43:45.920 I think we're in a very

00:43:47.280 unhealthy place right now.

00:43:49.240 Um, but these have

00:43:50.360 happened in American

00:43:51.220 history.

00:43:52.160 Um, you know, we had a, we

00:43:54.180 had a, we had a, had a

00:43:55.280 moment like this in 1860.

00:43:58.220 By the way, that is not to

00:43:59.620 say that I think we're on

00:44:00.560 the verge of a 1860, 1861

00:44:03.080 type of, uh, national

00:44:05.060 catastrophe.

00:44:06.160 But I think that the air, the

00:44:08.560 aspect of division that's

00:44:10.100 taken place here, a

00:44:11.620 division, which really is

00:44:13.520 going to be very difficult

00:44:14.700 for us to resolve with

00:44:16.720 kind of the normal

00:44:18.020 politics and the way in

00:44:20.880 which, uh, these issues

00:44:22.520 have been resolved in the

00:44:23.480 past.

00:44:23.780 You know, we had terrible

00:44:24.860 divisions during the

00:44:25.780 McCarthy period.

00:44:26.820 You know, people were

00:44:27.960 routinely accusing

00:44:29.200 Truman and his band of

00:44:31.380 advisors of being

00:44:32.280 traitors, of being

00:44:33.120 basically the tools of

00:44:34.540 Moscow.

00:44:35.420 Uh, we had terrible

00:44:36.740 divisions.

00:44:37.560 You remember them in

00:44:38.280 1968.

00:44:39.020 You know, I was a kid.

00:44:41.340 I was thoroughly

00:44:42.140 radical, radicalized,

00:44:43.620 tried to convince my

00:44:44.560 parents that I needed to

00:44:45.440 go to Chicago convention.

00:44:46.680 They said, you're 11

00:44:47.920 years old.

00:44:48.540 I don't think you're

00:44:49.200 going to go to Chicago

00:44:49.980 convention on your own.

00:44:52.180 But I watched, you know,

00:44:53.600 I watched the convention,

00:44:54.820 watched the riots, the

00:44:55.700 coverage, the riots in the

00:44:56.680 media there.

00:44:57.860 Abraham Ribicoff telling,

00:44:59.980 you know, Richard Daly that

00:45:02.140 his police were using

00:45:03.120 Gestapo tactics on the

00:45:04.780 streets of Chicago.

00:45:05.540 I saw all that live.

00:45:07.520 But there was a, but

00:45:08.140 there was a, we hadn't

00:45:09.780 lost the entire university

00:45:12.420 system.

00:45:13.100 We hadn't had our

00:45:14.300 children indoctrinated into

00:45:16.340 in the, this post

00:45:17.840 modernist, uh, stuff that

00:45:19.560 is absolute poison.

00:45:21.460 It is.

00:45:22.280 And I think also we

00:45:24.060 didn't have the kind of

00:45:25.980 social media, everybody

00:45:27.700 trashes social media.

00:45:29.220 I think social media in the

00:45:30.800 end, uh, has been a

00:45:32.460 tremendous benefit.

00:45:33.740 And I think it will be a

00:45:35.520 very powerful and

00:45:36.980 constructive tool, but

00:45:38.580 what it has, what has

00:45:39.540 happened in the short

00:45:40.340 term, and this is what

00:45:41.340 happened with the printing

00:45:42.020 press, you know, in the

00:45:42.880 16th century, is that it's

00:45:44.500 become a means by which

00:45:45.640 every kook and every, um,

00:45:47.860 uh, every, uh, angry

00:45:50.420 person now is able to

00:45:51.800 express themselves in more

00:45:53.540 and more violent and more

00:45:55.680 and more extreme terms.

00:45:57.660 And I think what we've

00:45:59.060 reached is a kind of cycle

00:46:00.580 of verbal violence in our

00:46:03.040 media, not just the

00:46:04.540 social media, but the

00:46:05.480 mainstream media, turn on

00:46:06.640 CNN and look and see what

00:46:08.440 happens there or MSNBC.

00:46:11.460 And I think we have a

00:46:12.800 president right now who,

00:46:14.600 unlike other politicians,

00:46:16.280 um, doesn't try to avoid

00:46:18.020 conflict, uh, and, you

00:46:20.020 know, and veers towards

00:46:21.060 compromise at every turn.

00:46:22.380 He seeks out conflict.

00:46:23.900 And I think that's one of the

00:46:25.060 reasons why he was sent to

00:46:26.140 Washington by the voters was

00:46:27.920 that they said, look, you

00:46:29.600 are going to be our bull in

00:46:30.680 the China shop because, uh,

00:46:33.520 there's a lot of crockery

00:46:34.560 there that badly needs

00:46:35.700 breaking.

00:46:36.760 And we're in the, we're,

00:46:38.260 we're washing the breakage

00:46:39.500 and the reaction of those

00:46:40.900 whose livelihoods, whose

00:46:42.880 careers, whose worldviews

00:46:45.500 were built on that old,

00:46:47.120 uh, decaying, uh, Washington

00:46:49.840 establishment.

00:46:50.580 And I think there's going to

00:46:52.180 be a fight to the finish

00:46:53.140 here, Glenn.

00:46:53.580 Welcome, Pat Gray.

00:47:06.500 How are you, sir?

00:47:07.380 Awesome.

00:47:07.840 I'm perfect.

00:47:08.960 You?

00:47:10.560 I mean, you see what I'm

00:47:12.100 saying?

00:47:12.520 Yeah.

00:47:12.640 Yeah.

00:47:12.980 Just like, wow.

00:47:14.120 Yeah.

00:47:14.640 So, uh, so Pat, you're

00:47:17.180 concerned today about, uh,

00:47:19.920 I, we've been talking about

00:47:21.800 this for a long time, at

00:47:22.880 least 15, close to 20 years

00:47:25.300 probably, uh, embedding

00:47:26.780 chips into, uh, uh, people's

00:47:29.240 foreheads or into their

00:47:30.500 hand.

00:47:30.920 Definitely not digital angel.

00:47:32.720 I mean, definitely not the

00:47:33.860 mark of the beast.

00:47:34.520 Mark of the beast.

00:47:35.300 It's not.

00:47:36.400 No, no.

00:47:37.500 I mean, it sounds like it.

00:47:38.900 Yeah.

00:47:39.600 I mean, yes, exactly.

00:47:41.760 It's exactly what St.

00:47:43.580 Paul described in the cave,

00:47:46.200 but it's nothing.

00:47:47.220 It's not because people love

00:47:49.180 it.

00:47:49.740 They love it.

00:47:50.740 Right.

00:47:51.220 They're not being forced

00:47:52.360 into this.

00:47:53.020 They're doing it willingly.

00:47:54.760 There's a, a company in

00:47:56.260 China, they're being

00:47:57.180 for China.

00:47:57.940 Yes.

00:47:58.340 And well, a little closer

00:48:00.160 to home, like Wisconsin,

00:48:01.460 they're doing it there as

00:48:03.000 well.

00:48:03.520 Right.

00:48:04.000 At a, uh, surprise in

00:48:05.440 Wisconsin, the progressive

00:48:06.660 state, a company called

00:48:07.980 three mark three square

00:48:08.960 market is, uh, it has a

00:48:11.980 250 employees.

00:48:13.360 And so far 80 of them have

00:48:16.100 voluntarily received the

00:48:17.860 chip.

00:48:18.220 Okay.

00:48:18.700 It's super, super

00:48:19.860 convenient.

00:48:20.320 Oh, it is.

00:48:20.980 It's super convenient.

00:48:21.800 Yeah.

00:48:22.000 You can all the, all the

00:48:23.460 doors unlock for you.

00:48:24.640 Right.

00:48:25.180 Uh, you just swipe your

00:48:26.000 hand over the scanner door

00:48:28.720 open.

00:48:29.220 Yeah.

00:48:29.340 You come to your computer

00:48:30.500 and it automatically puts in

00:48:32.360 your passcode and everything

00:48:33.600 else.

00:48:33.980 It's great.

00:48:34.440 You can go to the company's

00:48:35.700 market and just swipe your

00:48:36.780 hand and buy stuff comes

00:48:37.860 directly out of your

00:48:38.680 account.

00:48:39.520 It's fantastic.

00:48:40.600 It's great.

00:48:41.360 Really good.

00:48:41.800 I mean, everybody loves it.

00:48:43.560 And I, there's, I'm sure

00:48:45.180 there's never going to be a

00:48:46.400 time when that could go

00:48:48.140 radically, radically wrong.

00:48:50.120 Like, what do you mean?

00:48:51.220 Well, all they're doing is,

00:48:52.780 uh, storing all of your

00:48:54.320 information, um, and your

00:48:57.280 medical information, your,

00:48:59.460 uh, financial information.

00:49:01.440 And, you know, just to have

00:49:03.600 that implanted in your skin,

00:49:05.740 I just think it's, nothing

00:49:09.640 could go wrong there.

00:49:10.920 We all know that the

00:49:11.940 government will always be

00:49:13.220 benign.

00:49:13.800 All right.

00:49:13.960 So here's the thing.

00:49:14.840 And never work with these

00:49:15.920 companies to gain our

00:49:17.440 information.

00:49:18.160 Right.

00:49:18.620 Right.

00:49:19.140 Okay.

00:49:19.420 So here's the thing.

00:49:20.220 The only trouble I could see

00:49:21.540 besides this crazy talk that

00:49:23.280 that's, you know, the

00:49:23.880 beginnings of the mark of

00:49:24.640 the beast is, um, you could

00:49:27.360 cut that out.

00:49:28.180 So if somebody wanted to steal

00:49:30.280 your information, you could cut

00:49:31.500 it out.

00:49:31.800 You need to have it.

00:49:33.020 You need to find a way.

00:49:34.080 So it fuses with the body.

00:49:35.560 So once you have the mark of

00:49:37.000 the, once you have the chip,

00:49:38.880 right, it can never be

00:49:40.300 removed.

00:49:41.140 And digital agent, don't

00:49:42.060 they have that method?

00:49:44.040 I think they, I'm not sure.

00:49:45.540 I, we haven't talked about

00:49:46.600 this for a while, but I

00:49:47.860 remember that it ran off your

00:49:50.280 body's biorhythm.

00:49:51.900 You remember that?

00:49:53.120 And, and they were concerned

00:49:54.960 that somebody might extract it

00:49:56.760 and, uh, they said it

00:49:58.720 wouldn't work because it,

00:50:00.840 uh, becomes part of your

00:50:02.260 body.

00:50:02.840 It, so it's good.

00:50:04.820 So it wouldn't work for

00:50:05.960 anybody else.

00:50:07.500 So, um, all they have to do

00:50:10.680 to track you is, uh, put one

00:50:13.040 of these inside of you, but

00:50:14.040 you're not doing anything

00:50:15.020 wrong.

00:50:15.380 Why would you worry about it?

00:50:16.540 Well, that's what the

00:50:17.140 Chinese are saying now.

00:50:18.520 I mean, the Chinese are

00:50:19.640 getting it.

00:50:20.260 And China is saying, you

00:50:22.080 know, the Chinese people who,

00:50:24.160 by the way, um, lose social

00:50:27.220 points.

00:50:27.860 Uh, I don't know if you ever

00:50:29.020 saw a black mirror, but you

00:50:30.280 know, the China is doing what

00:50:32.240 the black mirror, um, uh, made,

00:50:34.620 you know, a light of, you know,

00:50:36.020 in some ways, uh, brought to

00:50:37.440 kind of the, I hope that that

00:50:38.580 was light, the twilight zone of

00:50:40.760 this generation is black mirror.

00:50:42.640 Uh, and it showed that, uh, you

00:50:44.480 know, you'll get social scores and

00:50:46.360 depending on who you talk to, how

00:50:48.040 you treat others, if you break any

00:50:50.140 laws, if you, you know, are

00:50:51.920 pedestrian and you're not using the

00:50:53.680 sidewalk, you lose points.

00:50:54.980 And that depends on what you can

00:50:56.660 access.

00:50:57.220 Look, it's a, it's a science

00:50:58.260 fiction show.

00:50:59.500 Well, it's supposed to warn them

00:51:01.220 some, you know, dark thing that

00:51:02.420 could happen in the future.

00:51:03.500 Yeah.

00:51:03.860 Except it's happening.

00:51:04.800 It's not going to happen.

00:51:06.060 No, it's happening now in massive

00:51:08.420 communities.

00:51:09.360 Uh, the first trials started in

00:51:11.320 2016 and it'll be fully implemented

00:51:13.860 by 2020 in China.

00:51:15.300 And the people there, again, they

00:51:17.540 lose points if they talk to

00:51:18.680 foreign press and say something

00:51:20.120 that's not good.

00:51:21.360 Um, uh, so the, but they're all

00:51:23.660 talking to the foreign press and

00:51:24.620 they all love it.

00:51:25.280 They love it.

00:51:25.720 They love it.

00:51:26.320 They love it too.

00:51:27.120 They love it.

00:51:27.920 They say anything wrong.

00:51:28.800 Why wouldn't they love it?

00:51:29.520 They say now traffic is perfect.

00:51:31.820 Nobody speeds.

00:51:33.000 Nobody does anything.

00:51:34.400 Wow.

00:51:34.900 It's wonderful.

00:51:35.780 They love it.

00:51:36.700 By the way, this is completely

00:51:37.680 unrelated.

00:51:38.220 I want to make sure you guys know

00:51:39.080 it's completely unrelated, but

00:51:40.120 you know, sometimes we bring up

00:51:41.040 unrelated stories in the

00:51:42.020 broadcast.

00:51:42.760 That's what we do.

00:51:43.300 We're covering a lot of

00:51:44.120 different topics.

00:51:46.060 Facebook has begun to assign its

00:51:47.440 users a reputation score

00:51:49.080 predicting their trustworthiness

00:51:51.040 on a scale from zero to one.

00:51:52.680 Wait, that's, um, exactly the

00:51:54.960 Chinese plan.

00:51:56.580 No, this isn't in China.

00:51:57.660 This isn't, this is, oh, this

00:51:58.800 is okay.

00:51:59.180 Oh, this is totally different.

00:52:00.400 Okay.

00:52:00.660 So it's in English.

00:52:01.800 Uh, yeah, it's in America.

00:52:03.000 It's totally different than you're

00:52:04.280 right.

00:52:04.740 Previously unreported rating system,

00:52:06.420 which Facebook has developed over

00:52:07.480 the past year shows that the

00:52:09.080 fight against the gaming of tech

00:52:10.220 systems has evolved to include

00:52:11.580 measuring the credibility of

00:52:13.080 users to help identify malicious

00:52:14.580 actors.

00:52:15.840 I'm sure we're really, none of

00:52:17.160 these things are a problem at all.

00:52:18.520 No, none of that.

00:52:19.260 It's all going to make our life

00:52:20.080 better.

00:52:20.520 It's all going to make our life

00:52:21.360 more convenient.

00:52:22.100 It's all going to be easier.

00:52:23.620 I mean, all you have to do is

00:52:25.320 comply.

00:52:26.040 One of their software engineers,

00:52:27.260 Sam says, I use it 10 to 15

00:52:29.160 times a day.

00:52:29.860 Oh, wow.

00:52:30.400 I love it.

00:52:31.000 Sam likes it.

00:52:31.720 If Sam likes it.

00:52:32.580 I feel like that's enough.

00:52:33.200 Sam, I am.

00:52:34.100 Yeah, right.

00:52:34.560 Yeah.

00:52:34.760 You know what I mean?

00:52:35.620 Right.

00:52:36.160 Wasn't he the green eggs and

00:52:37.120 ham?

00:52:37.520 Yeah.

00:52:37.740 He won't try it with a box in a

00:52:39.240 fox or something like that.

00:52:40.700 That's probably what happened

00:52:41.800 here, right?

00:52:42.360 Like he wasn't going to try the

00:52:43.720 digital implant, but then he

00:52:45.640 decided to try it and he liked it.

00:52:47.100 His friend said, Sam, try it, try it.

00:52:50.620 Try it, I say.

00:52:52.640 Comrade, you're going to love

00:52:53.860 you like it.

00:52:56.320 So I think it'll be good.

00:52:57.560 I think it's all, it's all, it's

00:52:58.900 all, you know.

00:52:59.680 We've just become such sheep.

00:53:02.740 It's just, it's just following

00:53:04.320 each other to the slaughter.

00:53:05.360 What are you talking about?

00:53:06.980 But it's so good.

00:53:08.520 It is so good.

00:53:09.220 I mean, it's really convenient.

00:53:10.820 I mean.

00:53:11.260 Everybody loves convenience.

00:53:12.480 It is.

00:53:13.100 I mean, all of these things.

00:53:14.500 We, you know, Glenn, we've done

00:53:15.700 the show now for 20 years

00:53:17.060 together and Pat, you know,

00:53:18.840 you were working with Glenn

00:53:19.740 before that and we've worked

00:53:20.760 together for a really long time

00:53:21.680 as well.

00:53:22.000 And we've talked about these,

00:53:22.800 these developments over the

00:53:23.820 years long enough now to be on

00:53:26.580 record saying things that we do

00:53:28.300 every day.

00:53:28.840 We're incredibly creepy.

00:53:30.020 Like we, you could go back and

00:53:31.460 listen to those shows from 10,

00:53:32.760 15 years ago.

00:53:33.400 We would say, look what they're

00:53:34.600 developing.

00:53:35.260 This is insane.

00:53:36.520 No one will ever do this.

00:53:37.640 And we're doing it right now.

00:53:39.420 I mean, we're carrying around

00:53:40.540 multiple GPS devices everywhere we

00:53:42.880 go.

00:53:43.360 Yeah.

00:53:43.480 I mean, the things that we do,

00:53:45.360 it happens so fast because it's

00:53:46.800 so useful and so great.

00:53:48.920 And that part, the part that we're

00:53:51.000 already, we're already doing it

00:53:52.600 makes it easier to go ahead and

00:53:53.900 implant it in your skin.

00:53:54.980 Cause you've already, you've

00:53:55.940 already got trackers anywhere.

00:53:57.040 You're already, you got a GPS

00:53:58.060 system in your phone, in your car,

00:53:59.680 they can find you anywhere.

00:54:00.840 So don't worry about it.

00:54:01.960 Just put this in as well.

00:54:03.620 And, uh, and then we'll find you

00:54:05.700 when you're even not in your car

00:54:07.220 or with your phone.

00:54:08.520 Wait until they start to, this is

00:54:10.360 why, um, uh, I don't know if we

00:54:13.900 left this part in, did we leave

00:54:15.660 the part in the book?

00:54:16.540 Stu, you've read it.

00:54:17.240 Did we leave the part in the book

00:54:18.480 where I talked about, uh, uh, the,

00:54:22.820 the merging of man and machine

00:54:24.680 where there's definitely stuff in

00:54:26.780 there about that.

00:54:27.440 Yeah.

00:54:27.540 Yeah.

00:54:27.720 Yeah.

00:54:27.960 You know, when we, yeah, when we

00:54:30.020 get to the point to where

00:54:31.560 transhumanism, where, uh, they say,

00:54:35.700 look, you gotta upgrade, you gotta

00:54:38.200 upgrade, gotta upgrade your memory.

00:54:39.600 Cause if you don't upgrade your

00:54:41.120 memory, you're not going to be able

00:54:42.540 to stand a chance.

00:54:43.440 Can't keep behind.

00:54:44.240 You won't be.

00:54:44.720 Yeah.

00:54:44.840 You'll be left behind.

00:54:45.720 Your kids will have no chance.

00:54:47.280 There's nothing.

00:54:48.420 Look at, look at, we're sending

00:54:49.580 everybody will.

00:54:50.420 We're sending our kids to college

00:54:52.540 right now, knowing, knowing it is

00:54:56.260 the source of most of our problems.

00:54:58.960 And we are paying colleges and

00:55:03.180 universities to destroy our kids

00:55:05.620 and our country.

00:55:06.520 We're paying them.

00:55:07.660 We're, we're enslaving our children

00:55:10.160 to massive debt.

00:55:12.000 When we know it's not worth it.

00:55:14.760 We know that's, it's, it's the ill

00:55:17.960 effects and how they are coming out

00:55:20.320 programmed differently.

00:55:22.160 And we're doing it.

00:55:23.060 You think we're not going to put

00:55:23.940 chips?

00:55:25.120 I bet we will eventually.

00:55:26.440 Of course we will.

00:55:27.300 I mean, we'll do it within, we'll

00:55:28.620 begin doing it within 10 years.

00:55:30.000 We did shows about the cashless

00:55:31.640 society.

00:55:32.180 How many times have we used that

00:55:33.200 phrase?

00:55:33.580 And it's been obviously there are

00:55:35.520 clear warnings about this.

00:55:36.480 I have had, we talked about this

00:55:37.820 yesterday.

00:55:38.100 I've had $4 in my wallet for a month.

00:55:41.820 The same $4 living in my wallet for

00:55:44.320 one month, not more than $4, just

00:55:46.000 $4.

00:55:46.800 And I, I'm doing lots of stuff.

00:55:48.960 I'm buying lots of stuff, but I have

00:55:51.040 $4 in my wallet and the same $4

00:55:52.820 constantly live there.

00:55:54.180 I have 20 folded in my wallet.

00:55:55.960 That's it.

00:55:56.980 And I've had it folded in my wallet for

00:55:59.500 maybe 10 years.

00:56:00.320 I mean, I don't even know the last

00:56:02.300 time you use cash.

00:56:03.320 You don't use cash.

00:56:05.000 We're in a cashless society.

00:56:06.960 We basically are right.

00:56:08.760 And that's, that stuff happens.

00:56:10.040 You don't even, cause it's so much

00:56:11.280 easier.

00:56:11.960 I don't want to get through change.

00:56:13.400 What do I have to do with the

00:56:14.080 change?

00:56:14.600 These are not even serious concerns.

00:56:16.780 We always thought this was going to

00:56:17.780 be forced on us and it was going to

00:56:19.240 be presented as if it were, you know,

00:56:21.400 something sinister.

00:56:22.880 Well, no, it's going to be presented

00:56:24.300 as if it will change your life.

00:56:26.020 It's going to help you.

00:56:26.740 It's going to save your life.

00:56:27.680 It'll save your kids.

00:56:28.580 Cause if anybody ever kidnaps them,

00:56:30.880 if they have this little chip in

00:56:31.820 them, we'll be able to find them

00:56:32.960 wherever they are.

00:56:33.580 Nobody can kidnap your kids.

00:56:35.020 But isn't that the way, isn't it

00:56:36.580 the way evil always wins?

00:56:38.580 Yeah.

00:56:38.720 I mean, look at this.

00:56:39.720 You're going to college.

00:56:41.400 Well, it's good.

00:56:42.640 Your kids have to be educated.

00:56:44.100 They're going to have all these

00:56:45.100 great opportunities.

00:56:46.140 Well, no, it's enslaving them to

00:56:47.640 debt.

00:56:48.320 A lot of research shows that this is

00:56:50.540 really changing our kids

00:56:52.260 fundamentally.

00:56:52.960 It's their stated goal to change

00:56:55.560 our kids and make them less like

00:56:57.740 the parent.

00:56:59.400 And we do it anyway.

00:57:01.560 Look at all of the things that we

00:57:03.060 do right now that we know are bad.

00:57:07.460 We talked about this a while ago

00:57:08.820 of the 1984 versus Brave New World.

00:57:12.140 Which one are we going down the

00:57:13.340 road of?

00:57:13.920 Both.

00:57:14.700 Maybe both.

00:57:15.640 But Brave New World seems more

00:57:17.220 likely to me.

00:57:18.440 Brave New World, I think, is

00:57:19.720 I think everybody is declaring

00:57:21.220 Brave New World, and even I did.

00:57:22.640 Brave New World is the winner.

00:57:24.720 You know?

00:57:25.180 Yeah, I think it's more likely.

00:57:26.160 But I don't know if it's the winner.

00:57:27.280 Dr. Huxtable was right.

00:57:28.840 No.

00:57:29.780 Isn't that who wrote it?

00:57:30.780 Yeah, I think it was Dr. Huxtable.

00:57:31.620 No, I don't think Clifford did that.

00:57:33.900 He was more of a medical doctor.

00:57:35.520 Yeah, I don't think he used

00:57:36.700 Clifford.

00:57:37.320 But so anyway,

00:57:39.200 Brave New World is

00:57:42.280 the way that we are headed.

00:57:44.760 But there comes a point to where I

00:57:46.580 think, and we're there.

00:57:48.180 We are there.

00:57:49.100 We're at this tipping point where

00:57:50.360 people are like, I don't

00:57:51.780 I don't want to go forward

00:57:54.720 with this because you guys

00:57:57.040 are scaring me.

00:57:58.620 You're seeing this with the

00:57:59.800 Democratic Socialists and

00:58:00.900 everything else.

00:58:01.460 They don't want to go there,

00:58:03.320 but they also don't want to

00:58:04.540 necessarily go back.

00:58:06.060 And so they don't know what to do.

00:58:08.160 That's the point where the New

00:58:10.220 World Order and 1984 come in.

00:58:13.720 Brave New World can take you up

00:58:15.380 to the precipice.

00:58:16.260 And then I believe it takes

00:58:18.200 somebody to strong arm an event.

00:58:20.420 And if that doesn't work,

00:58:22.060 they strong arm you into it and

00:58:23.780 say, you're doing it.

00:58:25.560 Because really, I've asked this

00:58:27.320 over and over again.

00:58:28.280 And we need to start asking

00:58:30.260 people who are yelling at us.

00:58:31.680 And we're talking and yelling

00:58:33.100 at on Twitter.

00:58:33.940 We need to ask ourselves and

00:58:35.480 others.

00:58:36.560 Let's say you get your way

00:58:38.240 and you win all the elections.

00:58:41.100 What's going to happen to the

00:58:42.200 50 percent of the country that

00:58:43.420 doesn't agree with you?

00:58:44.880 What are you going to do with

00:58:45.780 them?

00:58:46.860 Well, the Weather Underground

00:58:48.100 had that all figured out.

00:58:49.360 Yes.

00:58:49.780 They're going to do some

00:58:50.320 re-education camps in the

00:58:51.800 Southwest.

00:58:52.120 That's what China is doing.

00:58:53.040 That's what China is doing.

00:58:54.380 Yep.

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