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00:00:06.240 Hello, it's Stu, and welcome to today's Best Of podcast.

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00:00:42.280 Today we're going to the Kavanaugh hearings.

00:00:44.400 This is a big issue when it comes to what's going on in the country,

00:00:49.280 but also the incident where one of the Parkland fathers went up and tried to shake Kavanaugh's hand.

00:00:55.580 Just wanted to shake his hand.

00:00:56.840 Wait until you hear the real story.

00:01:01.220 How did that happen?

00:01:02.800 How did that happen?

00:01:04.700 Interesting.

00:01:05.380 Yeah.

00:01:05.960 Bob Woodward, his book is coming out next week.

00:01:09.400 Is there anything new in it, though?

00:01:10.840 I mean, there's certainly new color and new accusations and infighting,

00:01:14.500 but is there anything new that we haven't learned?

00:01:16.540 And I want to know why people who support Trump are angry at this.

00:01:20.520 Assuming you take out all of the he said, she said stuff,

00:01:23.200 you know, all the name calling and all that, because you'll never know if that's true.

00:01:26.100 So take that out.

00:01:27.140 Let's look at what the meat of what he said in the book.

00:01:31.820 Is there anything new?

00:01:33.000 And isn't it a lot of the stuff that you wanted?

00:01:37.240 Because I know I talk to people who are like, yeah, I really I, you know, I'm hoping that X, Y and Z is happening.

00:01:43.380 Well, here it is.

00:01:44.660 And on the media side, well, you can't have it both ways.

00:01:48.680 You can't say there is no deep state and then expose that people are taking things off of his desk and keeping him in the dark

00:01:57.540 because they're they're thwarting a duly elected president.

00:02:02.000 First time I ever heard anyone say a duly elected president about this guy.

00:02:06.380 But here it is.

00:02:08.080 Which one do you want?

00:02:09.340 And we have some stuff on Bitcoin as well as a really interesting story with a writer from the L.A. Times

00:02:16.580 and all these big mainstream publications.

00:02:20.300 And she talks about how she gives you kind of what we are always asking for.

00:02:24.220 Right.

00:02:24.460 Someone who's on the left who will actually consider that maybe this fact isn't right, that the left is touting.

00:02:29.760 Or maybe this conservative point has some merit.

00:02:32.960 It's what we're always talking about wanting.

00:02:34.960 And here's someone who actually went through this process and discovered some really interesting things that we get into on today's podcast.

00:02:43.320 I think you'll really enjoy it.

00:02:51.200 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:02:57.240 It's Wednesday, September 5th.

00:03:00.160 Glenn Beck.

00:03:02.440 A goat rope.

00:03:03.700 Goat rope.

00:03:04.960 Also known as a confusing or disorganized situation.

00:03:08.180 If you're in the military or a veteran, it's either a goat rope or a cluster.

00:03:14.460 You know.

00:03:16.340 What a complete dumpster fire the Kavanaugh hearing was yesterday.

00:03:22.680 It was shameful and embarrassing.

00:03:26.660 This is the United States of America.

00:03:28.840 Senate Judiciary Committee Chairperson Chuck Grassley got a few words into his opening statement before all the Democratic presidential hopefuls began ridiculously interrupting.

00:03:42.900 Listen just a little bit.

00:03:44.620 Good morning.

00:03:45.700 I welcome everyone to this confirmation hearing on the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh.

00:03:54.620 Mr. Chairman.

00:03:55.000 To serve as Associate Justice on the Supreme Court of the United States.

00:03:57.220 Mr. Chairman, I'd like to be recognized for a question before we proceed.

00:04:00.920 Regular order, Chairman.

00:04:02.260 Mr. Chairman, I'd like to be recognized to ask a question before we proceed.

00:04:06.560 The committee received just last night, less than 15 hours ago, 42,000 pages of documents that we have not had an opportunity to review or read or analyze.

00:04:18.460 You are out of order, I'll proceed.

00:04:21.280 We cannot possibly move forward, Mr. Chairman.

00:04:23.740 I extend a very warm welcome to Judge Kavanaugh to his wife.

00:04:29.100 This is, you know what, you don't even see this type of behavior in junior high school.

00:04:35.380 Here's senators like Carmela Harris, Cory Booker, Richard Blumenthal.

00:04:40.500 They were leading their own version of Occupy Wall Street.

00:04:43.940 A mic check, mic check, mic check.

00:04:45.700 That's what was happening yesterday.

00:04:48.260 This is what's happening in our colleges and our universities.

00:04:51.820 You'll just go in and you'll just hijack it.

00:04:55.880 Then, as if on cue, a handful of shrieks could be heard as a platoon of protesters led by Linda Sarsour

00:05:05.060 began yelling and holding up signs in the back of the room.

00:05:09.240 Here's a little bit of what that sounded like.

00:05:12.240 Linda Sarsour.

00:05:13.040 I'm sorry to hear it.

00:05:14.100 This, this is who the Democrats are idolizing?

00:05:26.380 Linda Sarsour?

00:05:28.260 It was a total sideshow representing the absolute worst in American politics.

00:05:35.280 Politico reported that Democratic senators held a conference call on Labor Day

00:05:39.380 to decide what kind of charade they wanted to do.

00:05:42.360 The first plan was to stage a massive walkout, but they ditched that plan, thinking it would

00:05:47.840 play into the GOP's favor.

00:05:49.820 They eventually agreed that the shout-down, a tactic that you'll find basically at every

00:05:55.660 leftist protest or riot.

00:05:58.420 Now, we have elected officials mimicking groups like Occupy Wall Street within the halls of the

00:06:04.540 Senate, what's next?

00:06:06.360 Why don't we all just imitate and mimic Antifa?

00:06:10.880 And really, for what?

00:06:14.460 Kavanaugh looks liberal compared to Gorsuch.

00:06:17.520 We, we never saw those fireworks at his hearing.

00:06:22.120 And the documents that got dumped on him a few hours prior, seriously, now you're suddenly

00:06:28.120 into reading what's put in front of you?

00:06:32.280 Is old and busted.

00:06:35.820 It's old and busted.

00:06:38.660 To say things like, oh, I don't know, we have to pass the bill so we can find out what's

00:06:44.060 in it.

00:06:45.980 What about the, what about the 2,232 pages omnibus?

00:06:51.020 Did you read that before it was dropped on you, just a few hours before you all voted

00:06:55.940 on it?

00:06:57.340 I'm all for reading anything before making a decision, but don't suddenly start caring now

00:07:03.320 when that's never been your policy before.

00:07:06.540 And the documents that they're so outraged, why are they being withholden?

00:07:10.660 Well, they know good and well that those documents will never and can never be released.

00:07:18.300 The papers are controlled by the Bush White House and are communications to the president.

00:07:24.080 No president, no president.

00:07:27.660 Let me say it again.

00:07:29.780 No president has released those kinds of documents.

00:07:34.600 More information, you know, before making a big decision is always the preference.

00:07:39.640 But the Democrats have chosen to make these documents their rallying cry because they

00:07:44.740 know there is no chance of anyone ever seeing them because no president has ever, ever released

00:07:52.760 them.

00:07:53.840 This is a red herring.

00:07:56.000 It's a goat rope.

00:07:57.720 It's a cluster.

00:07:58.680 It's a clown car.

00:08:00.140 However you want to describe it, it's a charade, a temper tantrum to draw attention.

00:08:05.420 Democrats just used the Kavanaugh hearings to play like the toddler who decided to lay down

00:08:12.800 in the store kicking and screaming because mom and Tad just would not buy them a toy.

00:08:19.440 Welcome to kindergarten.

00:08:22.360 The setup of Kavanaugh.

00:08:24.360 First of all, let's just be humans for a second.

00:08:27.100 Can we just be humans?

00:08:28.260 Humans, his children had to be removed from the hearing of the most important thing that

00:08:38.980 will probably they'll ever experience in their lifetime.

00:08:43.480 How many of us have had a dad that was being considered to be a, you know, a Supreme Court

00:08:49.200 justice?

00:08:50.040 How many times in history does that happen?

00:08:52.580 How, what is the decorum of something like that in America?

00:08:57.800 Shouldn't there be some decorum?

00:09:00.600 It's a pretty serious job.

00:09:03.840 And there, but there's a trade-off that you have to consider, you know, if you're a Cory

00:09:06.700 Booker or, uh, you know, uh, Kamala Harris, which is, yes, there's the terrified children,

00:09:11.860 but then there's also the sound clip that you get to run and see in the primary, which says

00:09:16.280 how opposed you really were to Brett Kavanaugh.

00:09:20.440 And that is, I mean, that's worth its weight in a fundraiser.

00:09:23.600 It's not even, it's not even the Kamala Harris and the Cory Booker and all of that.

00:09:28.540 It is, why was that not cleared?

00:09:31.540 Why was that hearing room not cleared?

00:09:34.680 When, when you have to remove children.

00:09:39.280 Well, ask Chuck Grassley, who, uh, who made it very clear the problem with it, with it was

00:09:43.620 he didn't run the committee, right?

00:09:45.540 Grassley guy was actually a really funny clip because he's just like, I've, I've criticized

00:09:49.840 other people for this before.

00:09:51.080 And I have just, you know, you, if you're not running the committee, then the committee

00:09:54.500 is running itself and we need to get this under control.

00:09:57.180 And he was saying that he didn't step up enough.

00:09:59.120 And he didn't, he didn't, he, to his credit, he let everybody kind of do what they wanted

00:10:03.240 to.

00:10:03.560 He wasn't trying to shut anyone down, which is not what you're going to hear from the

00:10:06.440 media.

00:10:06.740 Uh, but he, he really didn't step in to stop the nonsense.

00:10:12.280 When you have to remove someone's children because they're too freaked out by it, that

00:10:19.640 should tell you something, America should tell you what we're, what, what, what are we turning

00:10:24.400 into now?

00:10:25.720 We can be mad about this, but I'm going to explain why you should not be mad about this

00:10:31.480 because it plays directly into their hands, but we, we do need Grassley to clear the room

00:10:39.980 and to make it very clear.

00:10:41.760 You can sit here and you can watch it, but you don't have a right to disrupt it.

00:10:47.380 And if you disrupt it, I clear the room and you go watch it on TV.

00:10:52.100 You go protest outside, but not in here.

00:10:54.620 We're doing business and there's nothing wrong with that.

00:10:57.940 There's no secret hearings.

00:10:59.120 It's, it's all televised, go watch it.

00:11:02.440 We're trying to do business that needs to be done.

00:11:07.580 Um, with the setup of the Parkland father who shockingly could just be put on within five

00:11:17.000 minutes of trying to shake Kavanaugh's hand.

00:11:18.780 He was booked on CNN.

00:11:20.540 What a crazy coincidence.

00:11:22.480 How did he get that?

00:11:23.860 Wow.

00:11:24.420 That's fast.

00:11:25.340 And it was just, there was no setup.

00:11:29.200 There was no setup.

00:11:30.380 He was just there.

00:11:31.600 He just wanted to shake hands.

00:11:33.140 Now let me ask you a question.

00:11:34.560 Left and right.

00:11:36.560 You're in a hearing for how many hours?

00:11:39.280 You are surrounded, surrounded by people who are attacking you.

00:11:44.800 Your children were so freaked out that they were taken out by security.

00:11:51.480 You've had people around you and in front of you attacking you for hours.

00:11:58.580 Literally.

00:11:59.300 You are, your ears have to be ringing after that.

00:12:08.020 You have to be like almost, almost, uh, you know, some sort of traumatic brain injury from

00:12:16.760 just getting kicked in the head for that long.

00:12:19.860 You stand up.

00:12:22.060 Security is on both sides of you.

00:12:24.880 They're just trying to get you out of the room.

00:12:28.160 Everything that you have done is foreign to you.

00:12:32.100 You've never been in anything like this ever before in your life.

00:12:36.900 Security has been.

00:12:38.980 So you stand up.

00:12:40.400 You're still kind of dizzy from getting kicked in the head.

00:12:43.340 Everything that you have seen has been a setup.

00:12:46.660 Everyone who has advised you has said, don't say anything.

00:12:50.260 Don't do anything.

00:12:51.600 Just say what you have to say.

00:12:54.360 Button it up and move on.

00:12:56.060 You're getting up.

00:12:57.260 You're getting ready to leave.

00:12:58.260 You turn.

00:12:59.280 There's a guy.

00:13:00.500 There's commotion.

00:13:02.100 All the noise in that room.

00:13:04.620 There's commotion.

00:13:05.940 You're still a little dizzy.

00:13:08.000 A guy says, hi, I'm five and seven and seven, and you're not really hearing him.

00:13:14.040 Now, let me take this two ways.

00:13:15.420 First way, you're not really hearing him because of the noise in the room and everything that

00:13:20.100 you're processing in your head and reaches out to shake your hand.

00:13:26.220 The question is, as you're processing, I've got to go where?

00:13:30.680 Where is the security?

00:13:31.740 Where is my family?

00:13:33.060 I got to get out of here.

00:13:35.400 Let's just keep moving on.

00:13:37.040 When a guy puts his hand out to shake, all you're hearing is all of the advisors who

00:13:42.580 say, look, you're going to be set up.

00:13:44.980 Just don't do anything.

00:13:47.340 Do you reach out and take the book from Chavez?

00:13:52.000 Because you're just, you don't even know what it is.

00:13:55.360 Do you take the book from Chavez knowing that it's probably a setup?

00:13:59.720 That's one.

00:14:04.520 Even if he knew he was a Parkland dad, I don't think Parkland dad is there to do anything

00:14:12.380 but set me up.

00:14:14.580 Dad, Parkland dad has an agenda.

00:14:17.700 So what's the best move?

00:14:19.740 You have to make this decision right now.

00:14:21.760 And you've never been in that situation before.

00:14:25.000 Which do you do?

00:14:26.260 Reach out and shake his hand?

00:14:27.480 And possibly after everybody has told you you're being set up, after hours of being

00:14:32.820 just ripped apart, you see a guy who you assume is not there fairly, not there because

00:14:40.540 he really wants your opinion, do you shake his hand or do you turn around with security

00:14:44.900 and you leave?

00:14:46.500 That's if you heard him or could process it because of everything else.

00:14:53.880 Either way, I don't shake the guy's hand.

00:14:55.880 I've been in that situation so many times, so many times where it's chaos around.

00:15:04.040 I've got my family had to be had to be removed.

00:15:07.340 I can tell you I've had this exact conversation, exact situation.

00:15:11.520 I've had my family have to be removed.

00:15:14.800 I stand up, I'm starting to move, security, I am, I am, you're like a, when you're in that

00:15:24.320 situation, you are honestly like a bull in a run.

00:15:30.960 You are a, you're a sheep in a run where they're just kind of moving you.

00:15:37.540 I've had them pick me up by my pant belt and move me.

00:15:43.780 Now that didn't happen to him, but that's how confusing these things are.

00:15:48.900 You're just in this chute and you don't know, you're processing other things that you're

00:15:57.220 supposed to do.

00:15:58.040 Their job is to protect you and get you out of there.

00:16:01.780 You can't process both.

00:16:03.760 It's too much.

00:16:05.560 And so they're pushing you along.

00:16:08.340 And I've had this happen.

00:16:09.840 Somebody will reach out and I've had it happen good and bad.

00:16:16.360 I've had set up.

00:16:18.060 I've had just innocent person that just really wanted to say hi.

00:16:22.180 I've had both of them and I've done both of them.

00:16:26.260 I've reached out and shook hands.

00:16:29.460 Mistake I'll never make again.

00:16:34.000 You are a Supreme Court justice.

00:16:38.080 You have just been through something that no other Supreme Court justice has ever been

00:16:45.060 through for the media to set him up with a Parkland parent is despicable.

00:16:57.080 Whether they confirm him, whether or not he should be the guy is beside the point to put

00:17:05.140 his family through that, the Democrats should be ashamed of themselves.

00:17:10.060 Linda Sarsour should be recognized as the pariah she is.

00:17:16.500 You want to talk about a radical extremist?

00:17:19.780 It is Linda Sarsour.

00:17:21.620 And she's in bed with the highest of ranking officers in the DNC.

00:17:29.060 It is shameful.

00:17:33.540 You don't have to agree with Kavanaugh.

00:17:36.380 You don't have to vote for Kavanaugh.

00:17:40.000 But this is, you know what?

00:17:44.420 This may be beneath Venezuela.

00:17:47.180 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:18:04.260 If you're on the right or you have some common sense, there is reason today to be outraged

00:18:11.280 on a couple of things, but let's, let's stick with the Kavanaugh hearing and let's just zero

00:18:17.540 in on the Parkland father.

00:18:19.820 The Parkland father tweeted a few days before I am going to be at the Kavanaugh hearing and

00:18:25.900 I hope to do my part to make sure this man never gets a seat on the Supreme Court.

00:18:32.920 That's his stated goal.

00:18:35.100 With a hashtag of block Brett.

00:18:36.520 Right, okay.

00:18:37.860 His stated goal.

00:18:39.880 He's on CNN.

00:18:41.360 As soon as this happens and Kavanaugh turns his back to him.

00:18:46.240 Now, I don't think Kavanaugh knew who he was, but let's say he did.

00:18:50.260 And let's say he knew that security had told him, look, there's going to be a Parkland dad.

00:18:55.800 He just tweeted this a couple of days ago.

00:18:57.600 He's going to be there.

00:18:58.420 If you see anybody from Parkland, just move on.

00:19:01.360 Don't say anything.

00:19:02.040 Okay, that's not out of reason that that could have happened.

00:19:06.760 Don't think it did, but it's not out of reason.

00:19:09.340 Would anybody blame him for that?

00:19:11.820 He's being set up by a guy who says, I hope to do my part.

00:19:17.300 I'm going to be at the hearing.

00:19:19.000 In a public forum.

00:19:20.220 Correct.

00:19:20.640 So that he would be held responsible by the people who follow him, right?

00:19:24.360 Like he wanted to do something to make a splash here.

00:19:27.360 Correct.

00:19:27.640 And he did.

00:19:28.800 And so the press put him on and they made him this poor little victim.

00:19:33.120 No, no.

00:19:34.340 In his own words, this is what he was trying to do.

00:19:39.600 So we could be outraged at him.

00:19:41.660 We could be outraged at the media, but we already know about him and we know about the media.

00:19:47.200 What do you do?

00:19:48.360 It's important, really important that you don't play into the outrage and you don't swing back.

00:19:56.820 And it's because that's what they need you to do.

00:20:03.380 And it is the only way that we make no progress.

00:20:07.680 I have a book out called Addicted to Outrage and I really, I've not worked harder.

00:20:12.860 This is probably the best book that I've written since Common Sense and probably the most important book that I have written since Common Sense.

00:20:21.460 Uh, and I, I want you to read this and I want you to share this with your friends because it is strategy, but more importantly, it is the understanding that you're not being given anywhere else of what's really going on.

00:20:39.940 What is the game we're playing?

00:20:42.480 And unless you understand that, you're playing the wrong game and you will lose.

00:20:47.900 And it's, it was interesting reading it after going through the last few years with you, uh, and watching your approach to how you've tried to handle these issues.

00:20:58.040 And sometimes, you know, I don't know, like I, there's a big part of me that likes the pushback.

00:21:03.300 There's a big part of me that likes, you know, we talk about when liberals eat their own and mocking them and, and all of that I think is, is okay at some level.

00:21:11.540 Um, but the outrage creates something different and you really, you outline this throughout the book.

00:21:18.300 Um, and it's kind of the first time, at least to me that I've ever seen you outline it that thoroughly, uh, where it goes through and shows the reason for handling these issues this way.

00:21:29.360 And the, the, you know, there's a, so much surface stuff that goes on now.

00:21:34.520 You look the way that people cover this, like they don't even go to the point of looking at the tweet from the guy in the Kavanaugh hearing from a few days ago.

00:21:40.760 They don't even go that deep and the people behind the movement that are changing the society that are making all of us sort of feel like what the hell is going on?

00:21:49.160 Those people have thought it all out.

00:21:51.080 They have a plan.

00:21:52.260 They have an approach.

00:21:53.300 They've outlined it in deep philosophical writings that you're never going to get from cable news.

00:21:58.980 You're never going to get from Twitter.

00:22:01.180 If you, in this book, you go through a lot of that stuff, outline kind of what the basis is of it, of what they're trying to do.

00:22:08.760 And it's so easy to understand once you've read that, it all clicks into, into line and you understand why you have to approach these issues in a different way.

00:22:16.100 Would you agree that I've been talking about this for at least a year for two years, three years ago?

00:22:22.480 I didn't know what my gut was just telling me don't play into this.

00:22:26.620 Yeah.

00:22:26.780 Okay.

00:22:27.000 Um, but the last two years and especially the last 18 months, I've really started to put things together and I started doing research on this book when I had a theory about 12 months ago and I've learned so much and correct me if I'm wrong.

00:22:44.480 Everybody who's on the staff, I think including you, that I've been talking about this for a while.

00:22:52.000 It wasn't until they finished this book that they went, oh my gosh, I get it.

00:22:57.100 It, it changes everything.

00:22:58.920 Yeah.

00:22:59.080 It changes everything because it, you can kind of see how important it is to, to go this way rather than sort of the easy path.

00:23:07.560 I mean, you know, well, the easy path, the, they want you to take the easy path because it plays into their hands and that's what you kind of go through in the book.

00:23:15.000 Right.

00:23:15.360 And so for a long time, for a long time, I started to reach out to people and I was reaching out to the wrong people.

00:23:23.280 I was grasping at straws, but I want you to just to listen to a conversation that I had last night on television.

00:23:30.120 If you don't think that this approach is working, you are wrong.

00:23:35.880 You're just not seeing it on mainstream media, but it is happening and it's happening more and more.

00:23:44.820 All you have to do is look for it.

00:23:46.500 Last night, I was doing something on fourth wave feminism, by the way, watch the TV show every night at five o'clock.

00:23:53.700 You will see things and learn things that you are not seeing or learning anywhere else.

00:23:57.940 This is honestly, this is like when we first started going down progressivism and the Tides Foundation and everything else.

00:24:04.080 There's no conspiracies in this.

00:24:06.280 It's all open sources.

00:24:08.360 You can find it all.

00:24:09.760 And it is phenomenal.

00:24:12.060 So what's happening is by changing our approach and by understanding the language and not demonize and not saying, oh, you're all from hell.

00:24:22.660 You're all the devil.

00:24:24.780 You're getting to you're getting the opportunity to see the people who are now starting to say on the left.

00:24:33.340 Holy cow.

00:24:34.640 My side is completely wrong.

00:24:38.380 Here's a woman who was a who is a filmmaker in San Francisco.

00:24:43.460 She considered herself a fourth wave feminist.

00:24:48.060 A radical feminist.

00:24:50.780 And she's in her 20s.

00:24:52.680 I want you to listen to just part of the interview from last night's television show.

00:24:57.100 People who were radical feminists were fans of yours and you've made balanced movies or you've tried to exposing both sides.

00:25:05.020 You made a film in 2016 called The Red Pill.

00:25:08.840 Explain what it was.

00:25:09.840 Okay, so in 2013, I was looking for my next documentary topic and I was considering making a film on rape culture, which was a fear-mongering kind of myth around 2012 with the start of fourth wave feminism.

00:25:29.420 There were many what I've now realized are myths like the wage gap and rape culture was one of them.

00:25:34.400 But you believed in it at the time.

00:25:37.320 I did.

00:25:37.720 And I was considering making a film on rape culture.

00:25:40.480 And so I started digging into what feminists were saying was the cause of rape culture.

00:25:45.320 And they were pointing towards men's rights activists as preventing women's equality.

00:25:51.240 And I was fascinated by this men's rights movement.

00:25:54.160 I never heard of it before.

00:25:55.440 There's never been a film about it, never a documentary about it.

00:25:58.800 And so I started to think, all right, I'm going to be the first filmmaker to ever go in the belly of the beast and interview the enemy, men's rights activists.

00:26:07.120 So if I don't know much about the men's activists, the men's movement, that is, as I understand it, more about I have rights as a dad.

00:26:16.900 And when I get a divorce, I automatically lose my children to, you know, my ex.

00:26:23.680 Is that what you were looking at?

00:26:27.580 Yes.

00:26:27.900 And men's lib during second wave feminism really was mostly focused on father's rights.

00:26:35.000 Yeah.

00:26:35.220 But it has expanded with the start of online forums and blogs and social media with men's rights activists having a more broader kind of ideology around gender.

00:26:47.220 All right.

00:26:47.500 So you put this movie out and this one doesn't get good review.

00:26:52.940 This one they don't they don't like you for.

00:26:56.460 Yeah.

00:26:57.620 Why?

00:26:58.100 And all my previous work was about women's rights and gender politics in some capacity.

00:27:03.480 And I'd always been very supported by the feminist community.

00:27:08.380 I did screening tours that were hosted by Planned Parenthood.

00:27:11.740 But I mean, even Feministing.com plugged my first documentary about sex education.

00:27:18.280 So I was I was very successful and well liked in the feminist community.

00:27:24.520 And then I released the red pill.

00:27:26.140 And now my reputation has been smeared.

00:27:29.900 I've had my name printed alongside white supremacists.

00:27:33.360 The SPLC now says that I'm a feminist, trans, men's rights activist that was funded by male supremacists, which none of none of that is true.

00:27:44.220 OK, stop.

00:27:45.080 And she she she's remarkable.

00:27:47.740 In fact, we start the interview last night with 10 years ago, you would have killed yourself before going on the Glenn Beck program.

00:27:55.360 She's like, oh, yeah, I like I hated you.

00:27:57.920 She said, however, I didn't listen to you.

00:28:01.140 She said this happened to me and I've been starting to listen and watch you and see what you're saying.

00:28:08.560 And I understand what you're saying now.

00:28:10.340 And I agree.

00:28:11.920 Now, I doubt we agree on everything.

00:28:14.940 But we absolutely agree on what is happening.

00:28:18.680 Now, here's somebody inside the movement.

00:28:20.420 And this is happening over and over and over again.

00:28:23.880 And you will what's happening is common sense is waking up.

00:28:29.440 There is enough people on both sides of the aisle that do not want to live their life this way.

00:28:36.500 And they see what's happening and they're like, wait, that doesn't make any sense.

00:28:40.800 You're not being fair.

00:28:42.380 Americans are fair.

00:28:44.660 You're not being fair.

00:28:47.120 And the outrage is locking us into into being enemies.

00:28:53.940 And that is the goal of this movement.

00:28:59.400 And so if you want to be a part of the solution, I have always believed that this audience is going to be the solution.

00:29:09.000 I will tell you, I doubted that in the last few years that there was going to be any solution, that there was any way out.

00:29:17.340 And I think I've told you before, I don't know.

00:29:21.020 I do now.

00:29:23.220 Because I've taken a couple of years and I have really done my homework.

00:29:28.700 There is a solution.

00:29:30.500 But no one is presenting you with all of the facts on why it must be done this way.

00:29:39.180 And once you understand what you're really facing, the game that is actually being played, it will make total sense to you.

00:29:48.300 You'll be like, oh my gosh, I get it.

00:29:50.140 And don't tell me that it's not working.

00:29:53.080 Wait until you see her tonight.

00:29:57.200 She's going to be on again tonight.

00:29:58.940 The conversation we're going to have tonight.

00:30:01.880 This was a radical feminist.

00:30:06.080 She's now, I invited her up to come in and spend an hour or so with me here in the studio so we could just talk and just let her just tell her story.

00:30:18.180 She was, I would love to, I'd be honored.

00:30:20.740 She hated my guts.

00:30:23.740 I haven't changed my point of view.

00:30:26.900 I've changed my approach and allowed people to hear me say, yeah, I wish I had that all over to do again.

00:30:36.320 Which allows them to say, and all of the science behind that statement is in the book.

00:30:43.160 Why that statement?

00:30:44.380 Oh man, I wish I had that to do all over again.

00:30:46.580 Why that statement is important.

00:30:48.820 The science of that statement is in the book.

00:30:54.300 And it allows people to go, okay, all right, well, you know, I've made some mistakes.

00:31:01.320 And once that happens, it's done.

00:31:04.500 It's done.

00:31:05.020 Pick up the book.

00:31:08.820 It's available in bookstores and everywhere books are sold here in the next couple of weeks.

00:31:13.460 And you know what?

00:31:14.720 This Bob Woodward book is just going to run crazy for the next, probably until Christmas.

00:31:22.100 It'll probably be number one.

00:31:23.720 I would love to beat Bob Woodward.

00:31:26.900 I don't think that's possible, but I would love to beat Bob Woodward because the media will.

00:31:34.120 I mean, what, what are they going to do?

00:31:35.980 What are you going to do?

00:31:39.200 Pick up the book, buy a couple of copies, give it to a friend.

00:31:42.860 Addicted to Outrage.

00:31:44.360 We're going out for the first time in a very long time.

00:31:47.940 Theater near you, San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Richmond, Hershey, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Kansas City, Evansville, Tulsa, Tampa, Orlando, and a few other cities to be added.

00:32:01.140 You can grab your tickets now.

00:32:03.400 The tickets are for pre-sale only.

00:32:06.900 There are three classes of tickets.

00:32:09.800 There's, you know, some really, you know, posh behind the scenes kind of stuff that you can get.

00:32:15.840 And then you can just get the regular tickets.

00:32:18.480 And a book comes with, I think, most of the tickets, at least the two, the two upper levels.

00:32:24.040 You get the book and it's signed and everything else.

00:32:25.700 But I'd love to see you and grab your tickets pre-sale only until, I think, tomorrow.

00:32:33.140 And you can do that at glennbeck.com slash tour.

00:32:36.960 Find out all of the information.

00:32:38.100 I think you have to use the promo code THEBLAZE.

00:32:40.280 Yes, you must use that for the pre-sale.

00:32:42.100 THEBLAZE is the passcode.

00:32:43.560 It's glennbeck.com slash tour.

00:32:45.580 And there's a few of the theaters I saw last night are approaching sold out.

00:32:49.520 The one in Dallas is, like, I think, like three quarters sold out.

00:32:56.160 And we just announced it twice yesterday.

00:32:57.800 So grab your tickets now.

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00:33:26.820 Linda Sarsour.

00:33:28.360 The leftist equivalent of...

00:33:31.320 I was saying Milo Yepinopoulos, but it might be Richard Spencer.

00:33:36.600 What do you think, Stu?

00:33:37.780 I think she's more like Richard Spencer.

00:33:40.680 Linda Sarsour pulls outrageous, logic-defying stunts.

00:33:45.000 Her side roars with chance and then pats themselves on their back.

00:33:48.300 That's why she's like Milo, but her actual policies are much more in line with somebody like Richard Spencer.

00:33:56.740 Make no mistake.

00:33:58.260 Linda Sarsour is as bad as both of those people.

00:34:02.040 She's much worse, I think, than Milo.

00:34:04.700 Her virulent anti-Semitism, her anti-white racism, her flagrant disregard for America, the Western ideas, the Western laws, her support of Sharia law, her connection to Hamas, her connection to Louis Farrakhan, her open misogyny.

00:34:25.520 I mean, I could go on, but the show isn't this long.

00:34:29.740 She's called for jihad against President Donald Trump.

00:34:33.300 She's called for the assassination of our president.

00:34:36.580 And yet, somehow or another, the Democratic Party, not Democrats, the Democratic Party embrace her.

00:34:44.720 I don't know of a single Democrat that would embrace Linda Sarsour.

00:34:50.500 I do know the power and the money people that do, but the media is not telling the Democrats the truth about who she is.

00:35:02.080 Well, yesterday she got herself arrested.

00:35:04.120 She was one of the dozens of obnoxious protesters that showed their classless outrage at Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation hearings.

00:35:11.540 She leapt up.

00:35:12.900 She began screaming shortly after the hearing started.

00:35:15.580 Brett Kavanaugh's daughters, age 10 and 13, were rushed out of the room for their safety.

00:35:22.400 Now, is this, is this who we are?

00:35:28.400 Sarsour took the arrest as a badge of honor.

00:35:31.280 She said, I will be able to tell my daughters and my future grandchildren that I stood up,

00:35:35.580 that I was not and will not be silent when our bodies and our rights are on the line.

00:35:40.520 Now, I find this a little ironic and hard to swallow, coming from a woman who's wearing a hijab,

00:35:48.340 who believes in Sharia law, who has said that critics of, women critics of Islam,

00:35:56.300 that she, quote, wishes she could take their vaginas away.

00:36:00.560 She has signaled her virtue by having stood up when the bodies and rights of women are on the line.

00:36:12.380 Ayaan Hirsi Ali was her target.

00:36:15.740 Ayaan Hirsi Ali had genital mutilation happen to her.

00:36:19.820 And when she spoke out about it, Sarsour said, I wish I could just take her vagina away.

00:36:24.560 I don't know there is a place where, you know, bodies of women are at stake.

00:36:33.020 I have to side with Candace Owen on this one.

00:36:36.240 Candace Owens said, quote,

00:36:39.020 You have to be a special kind of idiot to get arrested for women's rights alongside Linda Sarsour,

00:36:46.200 an Islamist who supports Sharia law and the forced mutilation of women's genitals overseas.

00:36:51.920 Indeed, she said, if stupidity was the crime, they would have held you without bail, end quote.

00:37:01.820 Candace is right.

00:37:04.560 By the way, tonight, 5 o'clock, Glenn Beck TV, on the blaze.

00:37:09.240 I'm going into Linda Sarsour and her part in fourth wave feminism,

00:37:15.300 something you will not see anyplace else.

00:37:18.100 The radicalized new form of feminism that blends social justice, Marxism, and postmodernism.

00:37:26.520 It is the fight we're engaged in right now.

00:37:29.540 And unless you understand it, you will lose.

00:37:33.440 Tonight, a way out, 5 o'clock, only on the blaze TV.

00:37:40.160 It's Wednesday, September 5th.

00:37:42.800 You're listening to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:37:44.740 All right. Bob Woodward.

00:37:48.680 He's got a new book out, Glenn.

00:37:50.120 I know. I've heard.

00:37:51.180 Is there ever been a worse book launch?

00:37:53.080 I mean, you book, they kind of leak all this stuff out, all this salacious insider Trump details.

00:37:58.980 Oh, I think this is a good one.

00:37:59.980 You think so? Against the Kavanaugh hearings?

00:38:02.120 I didn't seem to get much at all yesterday.

00:38:04.140 I mean, even the places like CNN weren't leading with it, which is, you know,

00:38:07.760 I mean, this is like catnip for MSNBC, right?

00:38:11.060 And even there, he wasn't getting the attention I thought it would get.

00:38:14.380 Now, the book's not out yet.

00:38:16.000 But New York Times sort of savaged it in their review.

00:38:19.780 Did they really?

00:38:20.340 Yeah. I mean, you know, they said, you know, they said, of course, you know,

00:38:25.040 you could tell the writer absolutely despises Trump.

00:38:27.400 But like they were disappointed in it, didn't really get anywhere new.

00:38:30.920 You know, there's not a lot of color in it.

00:38:34.620 It was just a list of sources.

00:38:35.820 And you can tell who the sources were because all the people were praised.

00:38:39.020 Yeah, they look good in the book.

00:38:40.680 That's what Bob Woodward does.

00:38:42.120 He praises people and then they say things.

00:38:44.500 And he promises that you'll look good in the book.

00:38:46.800 You just give me the dirt.

00:38:48.240 Okay.

00:38:49.020 Let's take all of the, you know, he's an idiot.

00:38:53.020 He's unhinged.

00:38:54.180 He's retarded.

00:38:55.100 All those things.

00:38:56.020 Let's take all of that out.

00:38:57.440 Okay.

00:38:58.460 Trump is denying that he called Jeff Sessions retarded, by the way.

00:39:01.880 Right.

00:39:02.480 So that is, that should be on the record.

00:39:05.160 Right.

00:39:05.560 Okay.

00:39:06.760 But there's some other quotes about Donald Trump, supposedly from his staff, that are

00:39:13.800 just as unkind.

00:39:15.520 Okay.

00:39:16.140 Yes.

00:39:16.680 And let's just take all of that out.

00:39:18.640 Let's just take all of it out.

00:39:19.840 And I looked at what the book said yesterday.

00:39:22.740 And not only is there nothing new here, I believe I have heard multiple, many Trump supporters,

00:39:34.200 even diehard Trump supporters, who have kind of championed what's happening in this book.

00:39:44.280 For instance, how many Trump supporters do you know that say, I really like him, but I

00:39:49.060 wish he would put Twitter down.

00:39:51.680 Right?

00:39:52.820 Very common.

00:39:53.640 Very common.

00:39:54.740 Expression.

00:39:55.400 I wish they would just take his Twitter away from him.

00:39:59.920 So part of the expose in this book is there was a committee that tried to come to him.

00:40:05.900 A White House group of advisors came to him and said, look, we've, we, we're just forming

00:40:10.440 a committee and, and, and, and, and we think we should vet all of your, your Twitter posts

00:40:16.740 and Trump wouldn't do it.

00:40:18.200 Now this is made to look like, oh, that's crazy.

00:40:22.240 No, no.

00:40:23.440 Even his supporters, even his supporters are like, you know, some of the stuff he says

00:40:27.500 are good.

00:40:28.120 Some of the stuff is crazy.

00:40:29.600 And I wish he would just stop it because it's hard.

00:40:32.180 And would you expect anything else to happen in a situation like that?

00:40:34.700 The staff is saying, Hey, please restrain yourself from these activities that might throw

00:40:39.080 us off course.

00:40:39.680 And then it's Trump's decision as the president of the United States to decide whether he wants

00:40:43.460 to do them or not.

00:40:44.480 It's totally his call.

00:40:45.540 He made the call and he's continued to tweet.

00:40:47.520 Okay.

00:40:47.980 So now here's the other thing.

00:40:50.920 And tell me if you actually have a problem with this.

00:40:55.060 There's a, the, the book opens with a, with a, uh, story of Gary Cohn.

00:40:59.940 Now, Gary Cohn, uh, was the guy, he was the chief economic advisor.

00:41:04.240 When we started going down the, the trail of, uh, uh, trade wars, you know, he wanted

00:41:10.200 nothing to do with it.

00:41:11.440 So he's gone, blah, blah, blah.

00:41:13.920 However, the, the, it, it opens up with this, this letter, a critical trade agreement with

00:41:21.940 South Korea.

00:41:22.720 And it, the letter would have taken us out of this agreement and it was sitting on Trump's

00:41:30.700 desk.

00:41:31.540 Cohen sees it and he's like, I got to get this away from him.

00:41:35.320 And he takes it.

00:41:36.500 And he says, according to the book, I stole it off his desk.

00:41:39.980 I wouldn't let him see it.

00:41:40.980 He's never going to see that document.

00:41:42.660 Got to protect the country.

00:41:44.820 Okay.

00:41:45.720 There's only two ways to look at this.

00:41:47.460 One deep state, which strangely, the left has been saying there is no such thing as deep

00:41:55.540 state, right?

00:41:58.040 Everything.

00:41:59.120 So you're, you would have one way to look at this is evidence that deep state exists.

00:42:05.100 You are taking things away from the duly elected president.

00:42:10.580 You are taking things off of his desk.

00:42:14.260 The guy we voted for or didn't vote for, but the people put in office and somebody who's

00:42:21.900 not elected is taking it off of his desk and saying, he's not going to even see that

00:42:26.960 one.

00:42:27.380 Yeah.

00:42:27.640 Intentionally to hide it from him.

00:42:29.160 So he doesn't make the decisions he wants to make.

00:42:30.960 Okay.

00:42:31.600 So you could classify that as deep state, right?

00:42:35.540 The president gets in.

00:42:36.900 He can't really do anything because people tie his hands.

00:42:41.000 All right.

00:42:41.680 So the left has to, has to decide, does that exist or does it not exist?

00:42:49.120 And is it a good thing or is it a bad thing?

00:42:52.660 Now I generally think, in fact, I always think that that's a bad thing.

00:42:57.900 However, I haven't been necessarily, um, well, let me, let me take this out.

00:43:03.500 I have, I have talked to several people who voted for, uh, Donald Trump, many people who

00:43:11.720 have said, and let me give you the best spin on it.

00:43:15.000 Look, he's, he doesn't know all of the ropes, but that's why he's going to have the best

00:43:20.500 people around him and the best people around him.

00:43:23.840 They're going to stop him from doing anything that's truly reckless.

00:43:28.260 Okay.

00:43:29.440 When it comes to war, part of this is about war that his advisors around him are like,

00:43:35.260 no, Mr.

00:43:35.560 President.

00:43:35.940 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:43:38.200 He wanted to go into Syria according to the book.

00:43:40.420 Yeah.

00:43:40.760 And, and, and assassinate, uh, assassinate Assad.

00:43:44.040 Yeah.

00:43:44.880 And, uh, Mattis, you know, got on the, off the phone with him reportedly and said, yeah,

00:43:50.500 we're not doing any of that.

00:43:51.660 Uh, and they drew up a much more, you know, conventional way of going about things, which

00:43:55.520 is what they wound up doing.

00:43:57.500 I mean, that's what you have a, you know, secretary of defense for, right?

00:44:00.880 Like sounds like that's what, how it should work.

00:44:04.460 You know, as long as they're keeping him in the loop, that's how it should work.

00:44:09.120 And I don't have a problem, uh, with, in this particular case, um, I don't like the

00:44:18.420 fact that anybody would keep information from him.

00:44:21.220 Right.

00:44:21.700 You need to have, you need to be able to talk to him and say, this is why this decision is

00:44:26.360 wrong.

00:44:26.800 Here's why it's right.

00:44:27.900 And then he gets to make the decision.

00:44:29.980 Correct.

00:44:30.380 That part of the, the process, according to the book, has stopped happening all the time.

00:44:36.140 And they, you know, the people in the book claim the reason for it is he won't listen

00:44:41.360 to reason like that.

00:44:42.200 So you can't, you can't bring him things like that.

00:44:44.920 He's just going to dismiss you and do what he wants anyway.

00:44:47.320 So you have to do it this way.

00:44:48.660 That's their argument.

00:44:49.360 Well, okay.

00:44:50.800 But that's deep state or, or is it what I've heard many Trump supporters say a good thing?

00:44:59.700 He's got good.

00:45:00.580 He doesn't know about all of those things.

00:45:02.640 And it's a good thing that they just, that they're, they're, they're smart people around

00:45:07.120 him.

00:45:07.340 They're not going to get us into trouble.

00:45:09.220 Okay.

00:45:10.340 So is that a good thing or a bad thing?

00:45:13.080 Usually bad thing, but we're not dealing with usual stuff anymore.

00:45:19.240 Okay.

00:45:20.500 Porter said a third of my job was trying to react to some of the really dangerous ideas

00:45:25.020 that he had and try to give him reasons to believe that maybe they weren't such good

00:45:29.180 ideas.

00:45:30.320 Does anybody have a problem with that?

00:45:33.140 Woodward claims that's a coup d'etat.

00:45:37.300 Well, no, no.

00:45:40.560 That's another amazing point though.

00:45:42.240 You know, how long have we heard that these things are not real?

00:45:44.800 And now liberals are saying the Woodward saying it's a coup, right?

00:45:48.880 That's a, that's a remarkable part of this book is not really getting attention yet.

00:45:52.900 And nobody is, nobody is pointing out that, wait a minute.

00:45:56.060 Part of this is what Trump supporters wanted.

00:46:00.020 They wanted a guy to go in and break all the China, but they also wanted really good people

00:46:06.200 around that could say, don't break that China.

00:46:08.660 Right.

00:46:08.900 Okay.

00:46:10.660 That's what you have.

00:46:12.520 Trump supporters, Bob Woodward.

00:46:16.120 If you take all of the, he said, she said stuff that you're never going to know if that's true

00:46:20.120 or not.

00:46:20.660 Take all of that stuff out.

00:46:22.100 If you look at what he says is going on, this is what you knew going in and your, your backup

00:46:29.780 was, I'm going to have really good people around him.

00:46:32.540 That's what he's going to put good people around him.

00:46:34.540 That's what's happening.

00:46:35.520 Let me give you a couple of other things.

00:46:40.680 Woodward writes that Dowd, the Trump attorney, saw the full nightmare of a potential Mueller

00:46:47.360 interview and felt Trump acted like a grieved Shakespearean King.

00:46:51.800 That's he said, she said, don't know if that's true.

00:46:55.260 Trump seemed surprised at his reaction.

00:46:57.620 You think I was struggling?

00:46:58.820 Now, what's happening here is they did a mock question and answer and Dowd played Mueller

00:47:09.300 and said, okay, let's just see, let's just play this out.

00:47:13.360 Is there any doubt in anyone's mind?

00:47:16.040 Because I want to, let me, let me read what he says.

00:47:21.640 The goal of this was to argue that Trump couldn't possibly testify because he was just incapable

00:47:27.380 of telling the truth.

00:47:28.400 He just wouldn't make things up.

00:47:30.200 That's his nature.

00:47:32.580 The passage is an unprecedented glimpse behind the scene of Mueller's secret operation.

00:47:36.400 For the first time, Mueller's conversations with Trump lawyers are captured.

00:47:39.500 I need the president's testimony.

00:47:41.380 I want to see if there was corrupt intent.

00:47:43.900 Trump said, I think the president of the United States cannot be seen taking the fifth.

00:47:50.380 His attorney said, there's no way you can go through these.

00:47:52.920 Don't testify.

00:47:54.280 It's either that or an orange jumpsuit.

00:47:56.680 I don't know if any of that language happened.

00:48:01.920 I don't know if he ever told, you know, Trump that you're going to go to prison and you'll

00:48:05.660 be in an orange jumpsuit.

00:48:06.700 It doesn't matter.

00:48:08.260 Does anyone doubt that the president of the United States, whether he knows it or not,

00:48:15.560 and I think I could make a very strong case, he really doesn't even know what's true and

00:48:21.560 what's not because of the way his mind has worked for so long.

00:48:25.940 He's a salesman.

00:48:28.460 That's who he is.

00:48:30.000 He's not a builder.

00:48:31.740 He's not anything else.

00:48:32.560 He's the guy who walks into the room and goes, you're going to love this.

00:48:35.460 You're going to, you have to have three of these, you know, in fact, when I'm done with

00:48:38.940 you, you're going to be working for me selling these because you're going to believe in him

00:48:41.820 so much.

00:48:42.780 It's the greatest.

00:48:43.680 It's the best.

00:48:44.280 It's, it's the biggest.

00:48:45.680 It's golden.

00:48:46.840 It's wonderful.

00:48:47.900 It's going to change the world.

00:48:49.180 He's a salesman.

00:48:55.800 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:48:58.380 I want to, I want to introduce you to somebody who, let me just, let me just read a little

00:49:15.340 bit of the resume.

00:49:17.560 She has written for numerous magazines, including the New Yorker, the New York Times Magazine,

00:49:22.140 the Atlantic Vogue.

00:49:23.220 She is a recipient of the 2015 Guggenheim Fellowship, the 2016 National Endowment for

00:49:28.380 the Arts Fellowship, and is also on the adjunct faculty in the MFA writing program at Columbia

00:49:34.280 University School of the Arts.

00:49:35.820 If you read that, you would be certain that she has nothing to say to you, but you might

00:49:42.700 go, wow.

00:49:44.560 And I bet that she, a few years ago, might have been certain that there was no way that

00:49:51.860 she would ever say anything civil to Glenn Beck.

00:49:57.200 Megan Dahm is on the program with us now.

00:50:01.520 Hello, Megan.

00:50:02.060 How are you?

00:50:03.140 Hi, Glenn.

00:50:04.100 It's good to be with you.

00:50:05.260 I love that introduction.

00:50:06.480 I'm, I'm chuckling to myself.

00:50:08.500 Right.

00:50:08.840 Do I?

00:50:09.300 I'm happy to be here.

00:50:10.000 You're happy to be here.

00:50:11.320 Would you have been happy to be here five, six, eight years ago?

00:50:14.820 Five, six, eight years ago?

00:50:16.720 What were you doing back then?

00:50:18.100 Exactly.

00:50:18.420 I have to say, Glenn, I always found you very intriguing.

00:50:22.960 I found you exasperating in a way that now that I look back on it, I think there must

00:50:28.120 have been something in there that, that was making you particularly push people's buttons.

00:50:33.060 So, so I don't know.

00:50:34.520 Okay.

00:50:34.880 Well, good.

00:50:36.200 Good.

00:50:36.420 Okay.

00:50:36.720 So I want you to tell your story because I think there's something, let me, let me start

00:50:42.580 just so you know, we're kind of on the same page.

00:50:44.780 I just wrote a new book.

00:50:45.620 It's coming out in a couple of weeks.

00:50:46.700 This is the, this is the dedication.

00:50:48.260 To all those who are willing to step out in front of the crowd to question, reason and

00:50:53.840 have dangerous conversations, men with whom I may strongly disagree at times, but will,

00:50:59.120 I will always consider refounders of reason and contemporary heroes, Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin,

00:51:04.760 Jordan Peterson, Brett Weinstein, uh, Stein, uh, Sam Harris, Jonathan Sachs, Penn Jillette

00:51:09.920 and Joe Rogan.

00:51:12.820 These are the kinds of people that changed your point of view.

00:51:16.300 They changed my point of view.

00:51:20.380 Well, you're asking me that question.

00:51:21.940 Yes.

00:51:22.460 Um, so my story, let's see.

00:51:24.920 I mean, I, I guess I'm not sure that I have changed exactly.

00:51:29.960 I was, I have always been a writer who's interested in contradictions and interested in, you know,

00:51:37.160 human tendency, uh, towards hypocrisy.

00:51:40.820 Um, and I've always had the luxury as a writer of, of being able to kind of sort through those

00:51:46.140 things, um, in a thoughtful way and having the time and the space and, and a readership

00:51:52.000 that would kind of let me, um, invite my readers to think alongside me as I sorted things out.

00:51:58.600 And I think what, yes, go ahead.

00:52:00.180 So may, let me, let me make sure that I'm stating, I should state this much more carefully.

00:52:05.180 People think that I have changed my point of view.

00:52:08.120 I haven't, I have, I have lost certainty on the things that I shouldn't be certain about.

00:52:14.820 And that is other people and, and, uh, and, you know, uh, good versus evil that everybody

00:52:22.400 is in one of two camps, et cetera, et cetera, that kind of thinking to where it's exhausting

00:52:28.160 to not be able to have a conversation and no nuance in people.

00:52:34.500 Right.

00:52:35.340 So the nuance was the thing that I was interested in.

00:52:38.060 So what I noticed starting a few years ago, and I think this really started heating up in

00:52:42.680 probably 2015 was that, as you say, there was no room for, uh, discussion across the lines.

00:52:50.240 I was a newspaper opinion columnist for more than a decade.

00:52:53.580 I started in 2005 and the difference between when I started and what the climate has been

00:52:59.340 like in the last few years is striking.

00:53:02.160 Um, and I'm not sure I changed as much as, as I saw some, not all, but some, many of my

00:53:08.880 peers and colleagues, um, really taking on an approach that was pretty narrow.

00:53:14.640 Um, and yeah, I started watching some of these folks, uh, on YouTube that, that you named

00:53:20.520 and, um, it was very, it, I got, I got drawn in and I didn't like everyone equally and I

00:53:27.280 didn't agree with everybody, but, um, it was quite compelling.

00:53:31.120 So what are you seeing, um, first of all, to take us back, cause you had a really, I mean,

00:53:36.600 you've had a traumatic few years, uh, in your marriage and also with kind of looking at,

00:53:43.160 um, you know, the world and, and, and, uh, some of the people that were around you or the,

00:53:49.040 the, the people that were the loudest voices on the left.

00:53:52.160 Can you take me through some of that?

00:53:54.380 Well, so you're talking about, um, a piece that just went up that I, that I published

00:53:59.400 very recently called nuance, a love story.

00:54:02.960 Right.

00:54:03.280 Um, and in that piece, I, I talk about how over the last three years or so, um, I started

00:54:09.820 noticing both as a journalist and just as a, as a private person that, um, you know, intelligent

00:54:16.240 friends of mine were just not really willing to have conversations, uh, where they entertained

00:54:21.800 that, you know, people on the conservative side might have a point or that there might

00:54:27.280 be some contradictions in their own views.

00:54:29.820 Um, and it just became an echo chamber and it became really, really frustrating.

00:54:34.080 And, and I really felt ultimately a sense of loneliness about it.

00:54:39.420 And, and the reason that I, I kind of did this particular piece the way I did was that

00:54:43.540 I wanted to get at the more sort of visceral human side of this, because certainly a lot

00:54:49.180 of people have talked and written a lot about tribalism and polarization and that, that sort

00:54:55.300 of approach is important, but it's nothing terribly new.

00:54:58.400 So I wanted to get at this, at the more emotional components of this phenomenon.

00:55:02.980 And what are the emotional components?

00:55:05.620 Well, I just think that, that, you know, whether you're on the left or the right, um, you're

00:55:11.600 used to, um, uh, agreeing with your friends, or at least being able to, to talk with your

00:55:18.680 friends, um, you know, go to a party and, and everyone kind of, um, is on the same page.

00:55:24.980 And, and I just felt like there suddenly, um, you know, with, with the 2016 election, there

00:55:31.820 was such a feeling of crisis within the left.

00:55:34.220 I felt like the feeling was, well, this is such a crisis that we have no room for nuance.

00:55:41.660 We don't have the luxury of a complicated discussion.

00:55:44.980 Everybody needs to get on board right now and, and take down Trump and, and talk in the

00:55:50.140 most simplistic, uh, ham-fisted terms.

00:55:53.620 And on one level, I understand where they're coming from, but on the other hand, it's not,

00:56:00.240 it's just not very interesting.

00:56:01.860 That was my problem.

00:56:03.140 It was just, it's boring.

00:56:04.700 I mean, don't get me wrong.

00:56:06.100 I, I don't like anything about Trump.

00:56:08.960 I think we are in a crisis, but that doesn't mean that we have to shut down, uh, all thoughtful

00:56:15.820 conversation or refuse to ask complicated, difficult questions.

00:56:21.820 For instance, you, you talk about in this article, you talk about, um, you know, that

00:56:27.100 your friends and, and this has happened, this happens on the right too, your friends will

00:56:31.020 get a few drinks in them and then they'll start to say, okay, look, I'm with you on

00:56:36.060 this.

00:56:36.860 Right.

00:56:37.400 But they'll never, ever say that out loud in public.

00:56:42.680 They'll never take that stand.

00:56:44.560 They'll call you over and they'll be like, and I've had this without booze.

00:56:48.980 People have come up to me and go, look, I really appreciate what you're doing.

00:56:52.840 I mean, don't tell anybody I'm with you, but I'm with you.

00:56:56.500 Right.

00:56:57.200 Right.

00:56:57.720 Well, and one of the things that drives that is social media, right?

00:57:01.160 Because there is a dopamine hit you get from virtue signaling on Twitter or whatever it

00:57:07.240 is, and saying the thing that's going to get you the most amount of praise in the least

00:57:10.560 amount of time.

00:57:11.240 And people just keep doing it and keep doing it.

00:57:13.540 Um, and I've had plenty of times where I've had people say, well, you know, I kind

00:57:17.820 of, you know, I, I, I don't really think that, but you know, I just, for, for my own

00:57:22.240 personal brand or for my readership or whatever it is, uh, I I'm going to say this, this very

00:57:28.220 reductive thing.

00:57:29.560 Um, you know,

00:57:30.460 So what do you think about, what, what do you think about, um, Benjamin Franklin talked

00:57:35.160 about this at about 1772 and he said, I just can't go to parties anymore.

00:57:39.420 I mean, he, the guy was a bon vivant and, and just a great, I mean, I would love to hang

00:57:43.340 out with Benjamin Franklin.

00:57:44.780 And he was like, I can't go to parties anymore.

00:57:46.880 I can't because nobody is serious.

00:57:50.160 We are facing serious issues and nobody is, nobody's really talking about any of that stuff.

00:57:57.160 Right.

00:57:58.720 I mean, do you kind of feel that way?

00:58:01.480 Yeah.

00:58:02.080 And I think that people get really threatened.

00:58:04.780 I mean, so it might be helpful just to talk, you know, in specific terms for a moment.

00:58:09.360 So like one of the things that I talk about in the piece is the way this, this, you know,

00:58:13.920 this group very loosely defined kind of constellation of thinkers has now sort of identified themselves

00:58:20.100 as the intellectual dark web.

00:58:22.000 Okay.

00:58:22.160 So, so one of the things I talk about in the piece is, you know, the, my interest in

00:58:26.940 that group, but also my wariness with the, the fact that this, this, you know, this tribe

00:58:33.900 has supposedly devoted itself to anti-tribalism and, and that's a contradiction there.

00:58:39.720 And that's something you've got to work out.

00:58:41.540 It's kind of like libertarians who tell you you're not libertarian enough.

00:58:45.620 It's like, wait, what?

00:58:47.280 Right.

00:58:47.640 I mean, these are people that wouldn't want to belong to, you know, a group that would have

00:58:50.760 them as a member, but then here they are in the group.

00:58:52.680 So, you know, but, so, you know, Glenn, I mean, one of the things that comes up a lot

00:58:56.040 is this issue of the gender wage gap.

00:58:58.040 So this is a subject that is really complicated and it gets a lot of people fired up emotionally

00:59:04.400 and there's a lot of baggage around it.

00:59:07.220 And, you know, the problem is there is a gender wage gap.

00:59:11.100 I don't think anybody who's looked, you know, into it at all could deny it.

00:59:16.440 Obviously, there, there is, you know, in the aggregate, men earn a lot more than women.

00:59:21.840 Now, is that because of a patriarchal conspiracy or institutionalized sexism?

00:59:28.160 Maybe a tiny bit, but overall, there are very concrete and quantifiable reasons for this.

00:59:36.060 And if you want to look at, you know, issues around childcare and issues around, you know,

00:59:42.780 flexibility, you know, the way the economy works and flexible hours and why women choose

00:59:46.920 to go into professions they do, you know, that's a much more complicated question around economics.

00:59:52.780 And those are the kinds of questions that need to be asked.

00:59:55.900 But unfortunately, we can't even get to the point of asking those questions because people

00:59:59.700 say, well, how can you even, you know, question the gender wage gap?

01:00:04.440 You know, you're a sexist.

01:00:05.660 I don't even want to have this conversation.

01:00:07.580 It's threatening to have this conversation.

01:00:09.200 And you shut it right down right there.

01:00:11.200 And we can't even then begin to solve these problems.

01:00:14.720 And that's what's really frustrating.

01:00:16.740 Megan, I'd love to maybe after the first of the year fly you in and just spend an hour

01:00:23.000 or so with you commercial free and just uninterrupted to have a real conversation with you.

01:00:27.660 I'd love that.

01:00:28.520 Great.

01:00:28.740 Um, uh, you know, I, I am, I'm new to the postmodern, you know, uh, concept last few

01:00:35.820 years, uh, and so glad to be here.

01:00:38.980 Yeah.

01:00:39.420 So as you're, as you're watching this and you don't understand what postmodernism is, you

01:00:44.220 don't understand the world at all.

01:00:46.620 Once you do, you really see how destructive that is.

01:00:51.480 And you're seeing it now in the colleges, what do we, how can we have these conversations

01:00:57.660 when it's a microaggression to say you're wrong?

01:01:02.300 Yeah.

01:01:02.880 Well, postmodernism, postmodernism does have its uses.

01:01:05.980 I mean, as a way of talking about art, as a way of talking about literature, I mean,

01:01:09.440 that's really, I think where it's, it's best applied.

01:01:12.880 I mean, so one of the things, this is, this is, there's a lot of moving pieces here.

01:01:16.300 So I, I, one of the things that's happened is that humanities departments on liberal arts

01:01:21.820 campuses, uh, over the last 20, 30 years have evolved so that, um, um, a lot of the, the

01:01:30.460 discourse, um, is around this concept of intersectionality and, and power and privilege.

01:01:36.140 So the students, um, get, get taught that, um, every, that the world needs to be looked at

01:01:43.880 in terms of, um, of who has historically had power and how to make that, uh, how to, how

01:01:50.060 to get rid of it, how to make everybody equal.

01:01:52.320 So instead of, um, equality of opportunity, we need to have equality of outcome.

01:01:58.940 Um, and so that really then starts this, this mentality where, um, you know, anybody who has

01:02:06.760 more than somebody else is framed as a potentially a bad person.

01:02:10.880 Um, and, and this has now, um, become in many ways, the sort of default mentality of a lot

01:02:16.780 of the media.

01:02:17.280 I mean, one thing I really emphasize Glenn is that this is not the majority of college

01:02:22.500 students.

01:02:22.940 It's not the majority of people.

01:02:25.260 This is actually a very small percentage of, of students that even get into this stuff.

01:02:29.840 I mean, the most college students are like studying engineering and doing stuff having

01:02:36.480 nothing to do with this.

01:02:37.280 The problem is that the people who do get into this tend to go into the media.

01:02:42.680 They go into education.

01:02:44.240 They go into the media.

01:02:45.080 They go into cultural institutions.

01:02:47.640 And that's why we now have a situation where the quote, you know, mainstream media, um, the,

01:02:54.340 the younger generation, um, a lot of people come in with this kind of sensibility.

01:02:59.900 And, uh, that has, what has, uh, they, they come in with this sort of sensibility and that

01:03:06.200 is what has kind of made this discourse, the default setting.

01:03:10.660 Megan, I, uh, I'm sorry, we're out of time.

01:03:12.660 I would love to have you, um, uh, join me, um, for a, just a, a longer conversation.

01:03:18.540 And, and I, I'd like to talk to you about, um, postmodernism and, and how it's useful

01:03:23.880 in literature.

01:03:25.060 Uh, maybe you can open my mind on that one.

01:03:27.520 Uh, I don't have to do my homework.

01:03:29.000 Yeah.

01:03:29.140 Okay.

01:03:29.820 Uh, great talking to you.

01:03:30.880 Thank you so much for having an open mind and recognizing nuance.

01:03:34.440 Thank you.

01:03:35.500 God bless.

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