The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Alan Dershowitz ｜ 7⧸25⧸19

00:00:00.000 Hey, podcasters, it's Thursday. Got a great, great show for you. Two things that have never

00:00:04.740 happened before in my career. One, a guest canceled while I was introducing them. And

00:00:11.900 that same guest came back on an hour later and gave an interview that I've never, I've not only

00:00:19.820 never, ever done on my show or come close to, I've never even heard an interview like this.

00:00:27.480 Alan Dershowitz, a guy who has been accused of being one of the guys who's getting, you know, 0.96

00:00:35.260 sex from Jeffrey Epstein's girls. He came out of the chute. He said right at the top, 0.98

00:00:42.620 there's nothing I won't answer. I am innocent. And he laid out his case and it's pretty compelling.

00:00:49.520 And a case that he says, because of my support for Trump and my support for Israel,

00:00:54.340 I'm being targeted. It's, it's, if he's lying, he's the best liar I've ever seen. And he's the 0.97

00:01:06.300 dumbest lawyer I've ever seen. But I don't think he's a dumb lawyer. Also, we went into the details 1.00

00:01:14.300 of our Omar special, a little bit about the Mueller testimony and a song for the squad. Something that

00:01:23.360 we found in history. You know, Trump is such a racist for saying, you know, go home if you don't 0.98

00:01:29.360 like it. Omar and, and Tlaib, they, they suggested in 2012 in tweets that they should deport Donald 0.98

00:01:38.080 Trump. That of course, isn't racist, but we found something in history. What if that was said

00:01:44.600 in a song from 1942? Don't miss it all on today's podcast. And you can watch the entire breakdown of

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00:02:23.680 I think we want to start, uh, with the, uh, media that was just crushed by the Mueller testimony.

00:02:34.300 Here's a little montage.

00:02:36.300 Everybody here in DC counting down to Mueller time.

00:02:41.640 Pretty much whatever happens tomorrow is high stakes, high stakes hearing on Capitol Hill.

00:02:46.100 The stakes are extremely high.

00:02:47.880 The stakes are so high.

00:02:49.140 The stakes could not be higher.

00:02:50.760 We are on the eve of historic hearings.

00:02:52.960 Historic.

00:02:53.640 Historic testimony.

00:02:54.780 Historic.

00:02:55.480 This is the room where history will unfold.

00:02:58.760 You really can't overestimate what is on the line for Democrats when it comes to Robert Mueller's testimony.

00:03:04.240 This is a very big deal.

00:03:05.580 So crucial.

00:03:06.300 Really, really important.

00:03:07.380 Very dramatic.

00:03:08.140 Mueller's testimony this morning could be their last best chance to convince the public to support impeachment.

00:03:13.640 Do you think there's a make or break moment?

00:03:15.380 Look, it's their make or break moment.

00:03:16.620 Could the outcome sway undecided House Democrats on impeachment?

00:03:20.280 What happens here today is likely to be a turning point in the fight over impeachment.

00:03:25.080 Do you think that it could change the dial on impeachment?

00:03:27.200 It's going to be very damning.

00:03:29.280 The recitation of that evidence could be incredibly damaging.

00:03:31.960 A key moment in the Trump presidency.

00:03:33.940 Testifying before Congress with the presidency at stake.

00:03:37.260 This is either going to be the world's biggest event, the Mueller movie, or a dud because there's nothing new.

00:03:44.180 That question, was the ball advanced?

00:03:46.220 No.

00:03:47.020 Impeachment's over.

00:03:48.080 They needed more fuel for any kind of impeachment effort.

00:03:51.760 So look, on optics, this was a disaster.

00:03:54.240 A lot of Democrats in particular used the D-word and branded this a disaster early on.

00:04:02.380 Yeah.

00:04:03.620 You know what it reminded me of immediately after, Glenn?

00:04:05.920 What?

00:04:07.360 Chris Darden, attorney prosecuting the O.J. Simpson case, against the objections of many of the other attorneys, decided to put the gloves on and have O.J. come up and try the gloves.

00:04:20.460 And, you know, everyone was saying, no, it's not a good idea, and he decided to do it.

00:04:25.080 It was his call, and he did it, and he owns it now to this day.

00:04:28.040 I mean, he winds up with an actually amazing career as an attorney.

00:04:31.880 But he admits it was a really bad mistake, and that's what this felt like.

00:04:36.480 I mean, Robert Mueller told you, don't call me to testify about this.

00:04:41.600 I'm not going to add anything.

00:04:42.840 It was like, to use your analogy, it's almost like the gloves, as he went to pick them up and making the final decision, the gloves said, don't do it.

00:04:52.580 I won't fit.

00:04:53.900 Don't.

00:04:54.460 I'm too small.

00:04:56.180 And he's like, I'm going to do it anyway, gloves.

00:04:59.240 I don't care what you say.

00:05:01.340 I think they'll fit.

00:05:03.300 I won't fit.

00:05:04.480 Don't do it. 1.00

00:05:05.660 He'll get away with chopping women's heads off. 1.00

00:05:09.200 That's really what it was. 0.99

00:05:10.720 Yeah.

00:05:11.040 I mean, it was that bad.

00:05:11.940 I mean, he didn't even, not only did he not say anything new, which was something we all could have predicted, because Robert Mueller told us he wasn't going to say anything new.

00:05:20.300 He did exactly what he said he was going to do.

00:05:23.060 Yeah, and I think it was a little worse than that.

00:05:25.720 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:26.400 You know, I mean, he really didn't.

00:05:28.900 He came off as.

00:05:31.320 I got my pudding.

00:05:33.040 Yes.

00:05:33.420 And where's my cup of pills?

00:05:35.320 It did feel like they were at an assisted living home while he was giving the.

00:05:39.160 It did.

00:05:39.440 That was a little bit.

00:05:40.120 It did.

00:05:40.280 I don't want it.

00:05:41.740 Shoes.

00:05:42.220 Where are my shoes?

00:05:43.040 Would you?

00:05:43.580 Who's talking?

00:05:44.520 Where are you?

00:05:45.420 There was a bit of that.

00:05:46.300 And look, you know, the guy hasn't done one of these things in six years.

00:05:51.100 And it's been a while.

00:05:53.020 However, it's like he didn't even seem to be familiar with his own report.

00:05:57.900 So here's the thing.

00:05:59.060 I talked to a judge last night.

00:06:00.460 I talked to a federal judge last night.

00:06:01.860 And I said, so what do you think happened there?

00:06:06.480 And he said, I'll tell you, he said, guys come into my courtroom all the time.

00:06:12.540 And he said, I always say the same thing.

00:06:15.240 Don't want to talk to you.

00:06:16.540 Want to talk to the underlings?

00:06:18.040 No, well, I'm the head of this investigation.

00:06:22.120 Ah, let me talk to one of the underlings, please.

00:06:25.200 No, you're going to talk to me.

00:06:26.780 Okay.

00:06:27.780 And then they start to go into it.

00:06:30.240 And they're like, well, I'm not sure.

00:06:32.360 Let me hang on just a sec.

00:06:33.980 He said at one point in one case that he was working on, he said, could I just talk to the person behind you?

00:06:41.940 And what it is is these guys, they're not the ones that make the report.

00:06:46.680 Just like basically figureheads in a way.

00:06:48.980 Correct.

00:06:49.040 They add credibility.

00:06:50.660 They manage at the perimeter at some level.

00:06:53.540 Mueller had very little to do with the Mueller report.

00:06:56.180 And you see this all the time, by the way, in Congress.

00:06:58.720 It's the same way.

00:06:59.760 Yes.

00:07:00.000 You know, Ilhan Omar was reading a.

00:07:02.120 Who?

00:07:03.140 Ilhan Omar. 0.88

00:07:03.960 Bum, bum, da, da, da, da. 0.94

00:07:05.200 She was reading a report, reading a lengthy question.

00:07:08.660 Mm-hmm.

00:07:10.000 And this is a couple months ago.

00:07:12.380 And she referred to the questioning and she said, you know, what did you do in the Iran-Kortra affair?

00:07:18.840 No, she had no familiarity with even the question she was asking and blatantly reading from.

00:07:27.020 She didn't even know what the Iran-Kontra affair was.

00:07:29.880 I don't think she was alive and she certainly wasn't here.

00:07:32.720 Certainly wasn't here.

00:07:33.660 Mm-mm.

00:07:34.080 And just, but again, this is not, you don't have to be here.

00:07:37.120 I, you know, we've talked a lot about the Nazi regime.

00:07:40.220 I wasn't there and I was not alive.

00:07:42.080 Or so you'll have us believe.

00:07:43.560 Well, you know, I mean, again, again, well, I went through Argentina and then, but I mean, like, we sunk the sub afterwards.

00:07:50.620 Oh, I said too much.

00:07:52.200 But it's like, they don't have, they're, they're just the face of it.

00:07:56.120 And I think like, you know, there's a, there's a thing that goes on with these, the parties that go on in the Super Bowl cities every year.

00:08:02.020 And so they throw these big Super Bowl parties and they advertise them like crazy.

00:08:06.300 They'll be like, Kendall Jenner, you know, every big, whatever.

00:08:11.780 Caitlyn Jenner.

00:08:12.520 No, they never say Caitlyn Jenner.

00:08:13.940 Oh, really?

00:08:14.420 Kendall Jenner.

00:08:15.440 She's so beautiful.

00:08:16.280 All the other Jenners and Kardashians except for Caitlyn.

00:08:19.960 And they, and they make a big deal about it.

00:08:22.460 They'll be like, this model and this model will be there.

00:08:25.140 And this celebrity and this sports star.

00:08:27.980 And then if you go to the parties, if they show up at all, they show up for three minutes, stand at a private table.

00:08:35.620 So people can prove that they showed up so they don't get sued.

00:08:38.700 And they walk out to another party where they're getting paid $10,000.

00:08:41.300 And it's like, it's, it felt almost like this.

00:08:44.040 Like this guy wasn't even engaged in this at all.

00:08:46.040 His name's on it.

00:08:47.280 You know, he's on, he's on the ads.

00:08:49.020 Come to the Mueller report.

00:08:50.160 He's going to be talking about Mueller.

00:08:51.340 Mueller's going to be there.

00:08:52.080 He knows the whole thing.

00:08:53.160 In reality, he showed up for five minutes.

00:08:54.880 Get your picture with Mueller.

00:08:55.980 Yeah.

00:08:56.220 Because I mean, going through this, we had the impression that here's a guy who, you know, you could criticize the investigation all you want.

00:09:02.600 I think, as we pointed out many times, there's a lot of really important information that came out about Russia.

00:09:07.840 And the Trump, the Trump part of it was a sideshow.

00:09:09.960 The Russia part was actually legitimate.

00:09:11.340 And that's the, and he said that in the opening statement, you know, you could say whatever you want, but Russia was trying to hack, did try to hack, and they're going to hack again.

00:09:24.660 They're doing it right now.

00:09:26.060 As we sit here.

00:09:26.680 Yeah.

00:09:26.860 And he said, I am hoping somebody is paying attention.

00:09:30.500 Yeah.

00:09:30.700 Yeah.

00:09:31.120 Whatever.

00:09:31.740 Russia, shmusha.

00:09:32.460 Uh, tell me.

00:09:33.800 Yeah.

00:09:34.400 Well, in your report.

00:09:35.760 Yeah.

00:09:36.360 You left out a lot of really criminal kind of stuff, right?

00:09:39.800 Right.

00:09:40.340 So we kind of, I think, I was at least operating under the assumption that Mueller was like, look, I want to do this thing.

00:09:47.340 I don't want to be in a media circus.

00:09:49.460 So I'm going to be, I'm going to have my lips buttoned.

00:09:52.800 He made no appearances in front of the media the entire time.

00:09:56.340 He wouldn't talk to reporters walking to his car.

00:09:58.880 Remember, they were, they were, they were like putting helicopters over his car when he's going to like the dry cleaners.

00:10:03.480 I know.

00:10:03.980 And, but now like looking at it.

00:10:05.880 Before you ask for one hour martinizing, is Trump a criminal?

00:10:12.280 That's a solid dry cleaning joke right there.

00:10:16.040 But like, I now looking back at it after watching the, this, uh, testimony, it kind of seems like the, he just wasn't engaged in it.

00:10:24.720 Like maybe he was just, it was the name brand. 0.96

00:10:27.320 It was, he looked, and I hate to, you know, I hate to say, you know, he's old and, and senile, but I, it, my guess is he didn't even read the damn thing like the night before. 0.94

00:10:40.320 Yeah. 0.74

00:10:40.500 It didn't even seem like he kind of just like thumb through it.

00:10:42.660 And he's like, I'm not going to say anything.

00:10:44.220 So why read it?

00:10:45.620 I don't know.

00:10:46.340 Is that in the, what page is that?

00:10:48.840 76.

00:10:49.480 Yep.

00:10:49.780 Then that's what I said.

00:10:50.780 That's what I said.

00:10:51.180 Right.

00:10:51.440 I mean, he was doing, I mean, at one point they asked him, you know, fusion GPS is blah, blah, blah.

00:10:55.720 And he like, he didn't even seem to be familiar with the organization.

00:10:58.280 I know.

00:10:58.900 And it's like, how do you, how do you do this in your report?

00:11:01.100 I know.

00:11:01.860 It's the point of your report.

00:11:04.140 Yeah.

00:11:04.420 I mean, this is an unmitigated disaster for Democrats.

00:11:08.640 Yeah.

00:11:09.160 Impeachment is over.

00:11:11.360 It is absolutely over.

00:11:13.800 They had their best shot.

00:11:15.900 Uh, it was, you know what it was?

00:11:19.280 Star Wars.

00:11:20.720 Episode one.

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00:11:41.840 So last night, um, we did a, uh, an episode, uh, on Elon Omar.

00:11:48.300 Now, I just want to start here before we get into the episode.

00:11:52.340 I want to start here.

00:11:54.320 Um, everybody was calling the president racist for saying, go home, go home.

00:12:00.680 If you don't like it, go home.

00:12:02.800 Uh, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to say in an honest, loving way.

00:12:11.780 Why are you here?

00:12:15.080 If nothing we do is good, why are you here?

00:12:20.840 I would ask that if it was the country or you were in my diner and you were complaining about

00:12:26.680 everything and you kept coming back, do you know, there are other diners?

00:12:31.800 What, why do you come in here and loudly complain when the rest of the people are happy here?

00:12:37.500 What, what are you, what are you doing?

00:12:38.980 Exactly.

00:12:39.420 I mean, go to another diner.

00:12:40.700 And it's particularly frustrating in this case.

00:12:42.580 I mean, we said, we used to say this about Piers Morgan when he was doing a show on CNN.

00:12:46.560 He's like, well, you really seem to hate the second amendment a lot.

00:12:49.640 You probably just hate me.

00:12:50.740 I mean, look, if you don't like this constitution, just go back.

00:12:54.060 You're a citizen of the UK.

00:12:56.240 Go back there and enjoy it.

00:12:57.500 Right.

00:12:57.720 Like, and that's not, that's not a thing of saying there's certainly not racism.

00:13:00.780 The dude's white.

00:13:01.740 Um, with Elon Omar, what's interesting about that one is that we, we took her in.

00:13:06.300 This is a woman who's fleeing civil war. 1.00

00:13:09.900 And by the way, I think it was a good decision to take her in and other refugees, uh, from 1.00

00:13:14.920 areas like Somalia.

00:13:16.200 We've done amazing things for people all around the world.

00:13:19.580 And it's something that we do stand for.

00:13:21.580 We stand for not only as members of, uh, of, of the freest country in the world, but also

00:13:29.200 as I, you know, as a person of faith, I'm thrilled that this country has, has been developed

00:13:34.200 as a safe zone for people who are in the middle of hell, as long as they're good people.

00:13:39.960 And there is some checking process and all of that, that they're able to come over and

00:13:43.920 enjoy a life that is better.

00:13:46.360 However, when you come over here, the fact that he's hit, sit here and continually spit

00:13:51.540 on the country after we rescued you from a civil freaking war, it's a little, it's a

00:13:57.300 little tough to take.

00:13:58.500 Okay.

00:13:59.020 So now this sounds really racist, but what if this was set to music?

00:14:04.720 Why does it sound racist?

00:14:06.300 Doesn't it sound racist at all?

00:14:07.300 No, no, no, no, no.

00:14:07.820 That's what everybody says now.

00:14:09.240 It sounds racist to say, go home.

00:14:11.040 But what if he was set to music?

00:14:12.940 What if that message had been set to music long ago?

00:14:19.040 What if during World War II, when you had Germans here in America that had come over 1.00

00:14:26.200 from Germany and they were complaining about us and somebody said, you know what?

00:14:33.400 We've, we've, we've helped.

00:14:34.740 We're trying to help.

00:14:36.960 Why don't you just, why don't you just go home?

00:14:40.280 Um, this I found last night from a friend.

00:14:46.240 They sent it to me and they said, Glenn, listen to Gene Autry.

00:14:52.760 This is from the movie in 1942, Bells of Capistrano.

00:14:59.880 Last night as I lay sleeping, a wonderful dream came to me.

00:15:06.500 I saw Uncle Sammy weeping for his children from over the sea.

00:15:15.040 They had come to him friendless and starving and he took them into the fold.

00:15:23.280 And now while in trouble he needs you, you'll have to remember your old.

00:15:30.300 If you don't like your Uncle Sammy, then go back to your home or the sea.

00:15:38.360 To the land from where you came, whatever be its name.

00:15:42.940 But don't be ungrateful to me.

00:15:46.540 If you don't like the stars in old glory.

00:15:49.620 If you don't like the red, white, and blue.

00:15:54.140 Then don't act like the cur in the story.

00:15:58.100 Don't bite the hand that's feeding you.

00:16:01.440 Don't bite the hand that's feeding you.

00:16:04.280 I mean, now when he's singing it, he's standing, of course, by his horse.

00:16:11.440 And he's singing this and he's very happy and he's smiling.

00:16:15.140 And he's just like, why are you biting the hand that fed you?

00:16:17.840 We took you out of really bad situations.

00:16:21.340 We rescued you.

00:16:22.400 We fed you.

00:16:23.620 We've given you shelter.

00:16:25.420 And now you're talking down.

00:16:28.000 Now you now all of a sudden we're a bad place.

00:16:31.480 Just go back to where you came from, wherever that is.

00:16:35.320 Because you might enjoy it.

00:16:36.520 You might.

00:16:37.400 You're going to enjoy it more.

00:16:39.260 Right.

00:16:39.480 We said this to American citizens like Johnny Depp, right?

00:16:43.900 It's like, you know, Johnny Depp where you're complaining about the country all the time.

00:16:46.980 And a lot of the celebrities.

00:16:48.680 And it's like, well, look, you have the means.

00:16:51.320 I mean, you'll probably like France more.

00:16:53.560 And you know what?

00:16:53.980 He does.

00:16:54.680 Right.

00:16:55.100 He loves France.

00:16:55.900 And that's great.

00:16:56.800 He chose it and he loves it.

00:16:57.440 That's great.

00:16:57.920 And there's nothing wrong with that.

00:16:58.880 It doesn't mean that you can't go see his movies.

00:17:00.320 And by the way, it doesn't mean that any immigrant or refugee cannot be critical of this country. 0.98

00:17:06.000 Of course they can.

00:17:07.480 You know, here's what I was.

00:17:08.800 It's constantly, this constant criticism of just the foundation.

00:17:13.720 Every little piece of the country.

00:17:15.520 It's always complaining.

00:17:16.940 It's always saying that everything is horrible.

00:17:19.680 I mean, what is she in 2000?

00:17:21.640 Do we have this clip?

00:17:22.380 2018.

00:17:23.760 Omar talking about white men.

00:17:26.600 Let's listen. 0.95

00:17:27.000 Our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually 1.00

00:17:35.400 causing most of the deaths within this country.

00:17:40.900 And so if fear was the driving force of policies to keep America safe, Americans safe inside of

00:17:49.340 this country, we should be profiling, monitoring, and creating policies to fight the radicalization of white men.

00:18:00.120 Okay.

00:18:00.920 So there she is.

00:18:02.200 There she is on Al Jazeera.

00:18:04.840 On Al-frickin'-Jazeera. 0.98

00:18:07.380 And she's saying we really should be profiling white men because white men are responsible for most of the deaths in this country. 0.96

00:18:19.780 I wonder if that's true. 0.80

00:18:22.160 I don't know.

00:18:22.860 Maybe we're the largest share of, you know, white people or the largest group.

00:18:28.780 So we should be, but I don't know if that's true.

00:18:33.360 I mean, look at Chicago.

00:18:35.780 Look at Chicago.

00:18:38.380 Alone.

00:18:40.400 You know, we should be, we should be, we should be concerned about man.

00:18:48.560 Meaning mankind.

00:18:50.320 You want to fear something, fear man.

00:18:56.180 As in mankind.

00:18:58.620 Once they stop thinking, once they stop using reason and logic, then you're in trouble.

00:19:07.880 Right.

00:19:08.080 And logic is not being utilized by so many.

00:19:13.180 I mean, the media is a great example of this.

00:19:14.640 I mean, if you are going to come out and say, as the media is saying right now, Donald Trump's tweets about Ilhan Omar were racist.

00:19:22.840 We know they're racist.

00:19:23.800 We should come out and say they're racist.

00:19:25.460 Don't say they're racially tinged.

00:19:27.280 Say they are racist and he's a racist.

00:19:30.000 Because the idea that you would ask people to leave the country shows racism and there's no other explanation.

00:19:37.060 Well, your first hurdle to clear there is to say, okay, well, can it be utilized in any other way?

00:19:42.920 Could someone use the phrasing that Donald Trump used without being a racist, right?

00:19:48.080 And so I would say your first, I'll give you your first task on that, on that little train to see if you can logically prove that.

00:19:53.060 Explain why Ilhan Omar tweeted the same thing.

00:19:55.940 Explain why Rashida Tlaib tweeted the same thing that they wanted to deport people and that they disagreed with. 1.00

00:20:01.440 Including Donald Trump.

00:20:02.560 Including Donald Trump.

00:20:03.520 And in Omar's case, to send them back from wherever they came from is her quote. 0.89

00:20:08.460 Why did she do it? 1.00

00:20:09.680 Did she also do it because of racism? 1.00

00:20:11.440 Because if that's true, fine, make the argument.

00:20:14.720 But I would say most likely she was pissed off at someone in an argument and just, and said, you know what, get out of my face. 0.99

00:20:21.440 So it's an elevated way of saying get out of my face. 0.99

00:20:26.260 And you know what, then you have to also clear the barrier as to why Donald Trump is a jerk to everyone who disagrees with him. 0.97

00:20:34.760 There is an entire New York Times, like, mini site inside the New York Times site, which highlights everyone he's insulted since, like, 2015. 0.97

00:20:44.980 You're on it, Glenn.

00:20:45.640 Congratulations.

00:20:46.300 Thank you.

00:20:46.740 Thank you.

00:20:47.060 And there's dozens and hundreds of people.

00:20:49.600 The majority of them white.

00:20:52.640 And when people call him out or they do things, that's obviously, as we all know, the way Donald Trump deals with it.

00:20:59.240 He comes after him.

00:20:59.980 He punches back.

00:21:00.980 He insults them.

00:21:01.940 He makes fun of them.

00:21:03.240 He degrades them.

00:21:04.440 It's one of the things he does.

00:21:06.540 So why does he do it to all these white people, number one? 0.57

00:21:11.280 And number two, why do you keep pretending every time he does it to someone who isn't white, you know that it's racism?

00:21:17.920 He does it to everyone.

00:21:19.600 This is not something that is unknown.

00:21:22.160 There is not a case here unless you just believe it.

00:21:27.920 If you believe he's a racist and you want to apply that motivation to everything that he does when it involves a person of color,

00:21:34.000 you can do that, but that's not journalism.

00:21:36.880 So, and I don't believe that that is the case with Ilana Mar.

00:21:40.960 As we delved into this last night, and I urge you, I urge you, this is the beginning of the story.

00:21:50.440 This is not the end of it.

00:21:52.820 I have rededicated and reallocated some resources to furthering this story,

00:22:01.640 because I think we are at the tip of the iceberg.

00:22:04.480 I think this story is part of a much bigger story.

00:22:10.020 And we're going to spend a couple of weeks working on this, and I'll tell you what we find.

00:22:16.660 But I want to go back to Ilana Mar and her story, because it is riddled with fraud and felonies.

00:22:26.240 If you want to talk about the biggest liar, I mean, at the core of who she is, at the core of her name, 0.93

00:22:39.800 I believe she's a liar and has committed felony after felony after felony. 1.00

00:22:47.140 If you want the evidence, watch last night. 0.91

00:22:51.460 We had all the documentation there, and it's a compelling case.

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00:23:42.520 If you don't know who Alan Dershowitz is, it probably is your first couple of months in our country.

00:23:49.540 Probably the most famous lawyer alive today.

00:23:52.880 He has represented everyone from Ted Kennedy at Chappaquiddick to O.J. Simpson to Jeffrey Epstein.

00:24:02.060 And he knows Jeffrey Epstein, and recently he has been accused of being one of the guys who was getting minors to give them massages.

00:24:15.060 He says that is absolutely untrue.

00:24:18.080 And I tend to believe him only because I've seen this guy, and he, for instance, he's not a guy who's going to vote for Trump, but he sees something, and he feels that it is right, and he says it no matter what the cost is to him personally.

00:24:37.600 And I wonder also if this isn't part of the price he's paying for his defense of Donald Trump.

00:24:44.440 Welcome to Alan Dershowitz to the program.

00:24:48.420 Well, thank you.

00:24:49.040 You know, I have never refused to speak out on this issue because I'm a victim of crime.

00:24:53.820 I'm a victim of conspiracy to commit perjury, to suborn perjury, extortion.

00:25:01.240 And I want to speak out, and I'm going to continue to speak out about this.

00:25:05.220 I'm going to write a book about it called Suitable for Framing.

00:25:07.820 Let me state just categorically first, I never met these women.

00:25:11.020 I never heard of them.

00:25:12.740 It's a completely made-up story.

00:25:14.460 This is the only Me Too case in history where there's no relationship between the accuser and the accused.

00:25:20.680 In every other case, yeah, we had sex, but it was consensual.

00:25:24.060 Yeah, she worked for me, but I didn't touch her.

00:25:25.800 In this case, I categorically never met or heard of these people.

00:25:29.760 And they both said so in e-mails, in recordings.

00:25:36.400 They both said so until they met David Boies.

00:25:40.500 And once they met David Boies, and David Boies promised them big paydays, they changed their story.

00:25:47.260 And they then falsely claimed, in one case, that I had been the lawyer for this woman.

00:25:51.580 I never met her.

00:25:52.520 And that she participated in a threesome with me, but not my style. 0.98

00:25:56.420 And the other case that I had sex with her seven times on an island that I had never been to, except with my wife and daughter, in a ranch, all these exotic places.

00:26:10.260 And I have records, my travel records, my TV records, my court records, my American Express records, that categorically prove I could never have been in any of those places.

00:26:21.100 And best of all, I have a tape recording by David Boies, the woman's lawyer, who tells me on tape that it was impossible for me to have been in those places, and that his client is, quote, wrong, simply wrong.

00:26:34.460 And then I have emails from the woman accusing me to a friend of hers who was working on a book with her, saying, I don't remember who I had sex with, just tell me it.

00:26:43.380 And then she responds by saying, well, we know you didn't have sex with Dershowitz, but you should mention him in the book.

00:26:48.620 It will help you sell the book, because he wrote Reversal of Fortune.

00:26:51.940 And then she puts me in the book as someone she did not have sex with.

00:26:56.360 So the evidence is just overwhelming and conclusive.

00:27:01.160 On their side, all they have are two witnesses who have long histories of lying.

00:27:06.180 In one case, the first woman, Virginia Roberts, claimed she had dinner with Al Gore and Tipagore on Jeffrey Epstein's island. 0.52

00:27:14.120 Al Gore and Tipagore have never met Jeffrey Epstein.

00:27:16.740 They were never on the island.

00:27:18.100 She claimed she had dinner twice with Bill Clinton, who was flown to the island by a rookie, novice helicopter pilot.

00:27:25.100 But with Secret Service agents on the plane, Secret Service records prove that Epstein was never on the island.

00:27:34.280 This other woman who accused me has emails she wrote to the New York Post saying she has sex tapes, sex tapes, of Hillary Clinton, of Donald Trump, of Bill Clinton and Richard Branson.

00:27:47.640 And in the email, she mentions all the people she had sex with, never mentions me.

00:27:51.580 She says I was her lawyer, which isn't true, but she never says she had sex with me.

00:27:56.120 That's the quality of the two women who have accused me for money. 1.00

00:28:00.360 And on my side, I have all this evidence.

00:28:02.140 On the other side, there's never been a clearer case of innocence.

00:28:05.120 And yet the media doesn't believe it.

00:28:07.360 And people don't believe it.

00:28:08.640 They say if a woman says it, it must be true. 1.00

00:28:11.440 If a man denies it, it must be false.

00:28:13.540 And if a man denies something like this, he is being abusive to women.

00:28:18.720 How dare you call a woman a liar?

00:28:21.280 My God, that's the worst kind of sexism. 0.97

00:28:23.220 Well, I'm going to continue to call these women liars, and I'm going to continue to call their lawyers people who helped put them up to these lies because the evidence is clear. 0.82

00:28:32.840 They never accused me until they met their lawyers.

00:28:34.820 So it's an open and shut case.

00:28:36.200 And yet newspapers and the media still carry stories accusing me falsely.

00:28:42.280 The New Yorker is about to write a hit piece on me, and I have evidence that the editor of The New Yorker told people the reason they're doing a hit piece is because of my support for Trump's legal rights, my support for Benjamin Netanyahu, and my support for Israel.

00:28:57.420 And they're trying to silence my voice explicitly.

00:29:00.960 They think they can destroy my career and my integrity by making these false accusations.

00:29:05.520 And then I won't stand up for the legal rights of Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, and the state of Israel.

00:29:11.860 Okay, there's a lot to unpack there.

00:29:14.580 But first—

00:29:15.520 I will not refuse to answer any question.

00:29:18.360 I have an open book.

00:29:19.360 I did nothing wrong.

00:29:20.680 I've had sex with one woman during this relevant period of time, my wife, who I love, I adore, and who is helping me in this case.

00:29:28.520 She's been basically my paralegal and my assistant.

00:29:31.860 I have nothing to hide, nothing to be ashamed of.

00:29:34.860 Shoot away.

00:29:35.540 Ask me any question, I will answer. 1.00

00:29:37.400 See, I had so much credibility to you because no man in your position and seeing what happens to dirtbags and how stupid that would be to say those things if they weren't true. 0.94

00:29:52.760 Because somebody's going to go out to try to prove it, prove you wrong. 0.84

00:29:56.340 And to contrast it, the two women who have accused me refuse to speak to you, refuse to speak to the New Yorker, refuse to speak to the Miami Herald, refuse to speak to the New York Times. 0.93

00:30:04.940 They only make the accusation from behind the litigation privilege because they know if they say it in court papers, then I can't sue them for defamation.

00:30:13.040 And the whole plot is they accuse me behind litigation privilege in court papers, they leak it to the press, then I deny it in public to the media, as I am doing right now, and then they sue me for defamation.

00:30:26.180 That's the plan, and that's the way they're hoping to make more money.

00:30:30.440 But I'm not going to settle this case.

00:30:32.200 I'm going to litigate it and prove that they have committed perjury, and I'm going to try to get the FBI to investigate both me and them to see who's telling the truth and who's lying.

00:30:40.980 I'm confident of the result.

00:30:42.100 So one of the people, and you started with David Boyce, and most people probably don't know who he is.

00:30:49.840 I remember him as the guy who defended Al Gore in the 2000 election, but he is probably, you know, one of the top five attorneys in the country.

00:31:04.000 You came out swinging and said that you are, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to put words into your mouth,

00:31:11.140 because I know you're careful with words, but it sounded to me like you're saying he framed you.

00:31:16.820 Yes.

00:31:17.400 Oh, yeah.

00:31:17.780 I am saying that he was part of a system where these women, and he was their lawyer, framed me.

00:31:25.120 Remember, he's also the same lawyer who was representing the New York Times and hired people to extort, threaten, get information on a New York Times reporter,

00:31:35.080 and the New York Times thought it was such a horrible conflict of interest.

00:31:37.640 They fired him and wrote an editorial.

00:31:40.500 He tried to stop the Me Too movement by trying to prevent the New York Times from publishing material about Harvey Weinstein.

00:31:48.280 He's engaged in similar tactics with other women.

00:31:51.300 His history with women is horrible, and he's trying to now compensate for that long history by supporting women. 0.98

00:31:59.880 But he's destroying the Me Too movement because I'm going to prove a trial that these women made up a story for money, and it's going to hurt the Me Too movement.

00:32:06.680 I don't want to hurt the Me Too movement because it's very important when we're dealing with truthful stories.

00:32:11.720 But, you know, I think it was Eric Hoffa who once said, every cause starts as a movement, it then becomes a business, and ultimately it degenerates into a racket.

00:32:20.120 And David Boies is turning the Me Too movement into a racket to try to obtain money from people who are telling lies to help him and to help themselves.

00:32:31.420 So why would – I mean, you know, you always hear that attorneys just don't turn on each other, and, you know, it's almost like a thin blue line kind of thing.

00:32:41.720 But why does he have it out for you?

00:32:44.580 Why would he pick you out of all the people that he could pick from?

00:32:49.280 Well, it was a very carefully planned plot.

00:32:53.380 They went to me – they accused me in public, and then – this is undisputed.

00:32:58.460 He admits this.

00:32:59.280 He then went to Leslie Wexner, the billionaire owner of Victoria's Secret, and basically said to Leslie Wexner,

00:33:06.980 the client who's accusing Dershowitz publicly is accusing you privately.

00:33:12.720 No one knows about it.

00:33:14.080 It's a secret.

00:33:15.500 And if you want to keep it a secret, if you don't want to have happen to you what happened to Alan Dershowitz,

00:33:21.420 there are ways of resolving this, even though it's well beyond the statute of limitations.

00:33:25.400 And according to the best friend of the woman who publicly accused me, they were seeking a billion – not a million, not a hundred million – a billion dollars from this man who was worth $7 billion.

00:33:37.760 And, of course, he'd be willing to pay a billion dollars not to destroy the company because the one big difference between what I was accused of and what Wexner was accused of –

00:33:46.940 Wexner was accused of not only having sex with this woman but making her wear Victoria's Secret-type lingerie when she was underage.

00:33:56.680 Imagine what that would do to a company if it came out.

00:33:59.840 And so the question is, we know from his own affidavits, David Boies met with Leslie Wexner's lawyers.

00:34:05.940 Leslie Wexner's lawyers described it as a shakedown.

00:34:08.580 Leslie Wexner's wife described it as a shakedown.

00:34:11.400 He met with the lawyers, David Boies personally, and after meeting with the lawyers, Leslie Wexner's name disappears from the public record.

00:34:19.280 He's no longer a witness.

00:34:20.900 Nothing is – he's not accused of anything.

00:34:24.420 There are only two possibilities.

00:34:25.700 One, David Boies didn't believe his own client about Leslie Wexner, and he thought Leslie Wexner was innocent.

00:34:31.820 But if he didn't believe his client about Leslie Wexner, why did he believe her about me?

00:34:37.320 Or second, he believed her and decided simply to be charitable and not go after this billionaire, instead go after this law professor.

00:34:44.980 That's absurd.

00:34:45.780 And so I think federal authorities ought to look into whether there was an extortion plot.

00:34:51.120 But if there's one person I'm not going to wrong, I think I would wrong a billionaire that sells underwear over you.

00:35:03.000 Because I know – I know your record of winning.

00:35:08.760 I know what – I know who you are.

00:35:11.600 Why in the world would he pick Alan – I was going to say, the Alan Dershowitz?

00:35:18.460 Well, first of all, I filed bar charges against him, so he was furious at me.

00:35:22.940 And so he threatened me through other people, saying, unless you withdraw the bar charges, we're going to find another young woman because two are better than one.

00:35:32.200 So he found this other woman who had written emails saying she had sex tapes of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, etc.

00:35:39.000 It was a combination of economic motives and rage at me for calling him into account in front of the Bar Association.

00:35:49.360 And, you know, at this point, he can't pull back because he's gone so far.

00:35:54.560 But he says in one of his affidavits he thought it was initially a mistake to go after me because he knew I would fight back.

00:36:01.220 He also was a mistake to go after me because he knew I didn't do it.

00:36:04.120 He knew I was not that kind of guy.

00:36:06.100 I taught at Harvard 50 years.

00:36:07.640 It was never a complaint.

00:36:09.000 For any kind of misconduct, I've spoken to, what, a thousand audiences.

00:36:13.660 I take pictures with the people after.

00:36:15.940 Never had any Al Franken moments.

00:36:18.140 I don't touch people.

00:36:19.420 I'm not a huggy guy.

00:36:21.280 I'm not that guy.

00:36:22.500 I've had a wonderful marriage, wonderful children and grandchildren.

00:36:25.920 He just picked on the wrong guy, and I'll be able to prove that.

00:36:29.000 I will tell you this.

00:36:30.120 One of the things that we were talking about last night when I was talking to somebody about having you on was,

00:36:36.800 if there was ever a guy who was in the position to be Me Too'd, it would be a guy who was hanging out with young, impressionable college students at Harvard when you're Alan Dershowitz.

00:36:53.540 I'm sure you had ample opportunity, and to have zero complaints says something about your character.

00:37:02.540 Well, no doubt about that.

00:37:04.360 And I was unmarried for about eight years between my first and second marriages, and I never, ever went out with a student.

00:37:12.200 I never flirted with a student.

00:37:13.900 I always thought it was inappropriate.

00:37:15.360 In fact, I represented several women who had been harassed by their professors at Harvard and worked out resolutions for them.

00:37:24.220 I was always on the side of the people who were harassed or the students, but, of course, never a complaint, never a complaint in my entire life.

00:37:32.800 I'm 81 years old this September, and I lived a flawless personal life.

00:37:39.360 And the New Yorker is coming after me.

00:37:42.060 They're claiming, I forced my first wife to have an abortion.

00:37:46.780 My first wife never was pregnant.

00:37:48.600 She never had an abortion.

00:37:51.080 Unfortunately, she was mentally ill, and we have records of that.

00:37:54.580 Her lawyer didn't believe it or alleged it in the divorce.

00:37:58.860 I got custody of my kids.

00:38:00.960 I was a wonderful father.

00:38:02.780 I am a wonderful father and grandfather.

00:38:04.240 But they're trying to dig up every possible bit of dirt, the New Yorker, in an effort to silence my voice because they don't like what I'm saying about Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, or the state of Israel.

00:38:14.380 He's been called the top lawyer of last resort.

00:38:17.780 He is the best-known criminal lawyer in the world.

00:38:22.580 His name is Alan Dershowitz, and he is providing a remarkable interview.

00:38:27.900 And I would like to invite you, sir, to bring your evidence.

00:38:33.260 And I do a podcast once a week, and it's a 90-minute uninterrupted interview.

00:38:42.360 I'd love to have you show the evidence and make your case.

00:38:46.200 Sure. Happy to do it.

00:38:46.900 Happy to do it.

00:38:47.940 Look, I could show you the evidence against me in one second.

00:38:51.820 It doesn't exist.

00:38:53.200 There is nothing because my two accusers won't even speak on the record or off the record.

00:38:57.320 They only hide behind the litigation privilege.

00:38:59.360 And then I have this massive evidence, tape recordings, e-mails.

00:39:04.020 Unfortunately, some of them are currently under seal.

00:39:06.260 We've been trying very hard to get them unsealed.

00:39:09.000 We won a case in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals ordering them to be unsealed, but the mandate hasn't yet issued because somebody is appealing from that order.

00:39:17.440 But as soon as they come out, it'll be completely and totally clear that these women never, ever accused me until they met David Boies.

00:39:27.980 And indeed, to the contrary, they both said quite categorically that they did not ever have sex with me and then changed their mind if they were promised a pot of gold by David Boies.

00:39:38.720 Okay, so let me go to the political ramifications.

00:39:42.660 I find this interesting that this case came out a long time ago.

00:39:47.200 People have known about the private island and everything else.

00:39:49.880 They've known about him for a long time.

00:39:52.840 Clinton was accused.

00:39:54.480 Nothing.

00:39:55.000 But the minute Acosta and you and Trump are tied into this, this story breaks wide open.

00:40:04.860 Do you believe that that interest is there because of the Me Too, because of Donald Trump, or because of a combination?

00:40:18.960 Well, I think it's a combination.

00:40:20.060 I think the interest in me is largely because of Donald Trump.

00:40:24.100 If I had been a strong opponent to Donald Trump, if I had taken the views that my colleagues like Larry Tribe and others have taken about Donald Trump,

00:40:32.280 I don't think the media would be interested in these false accusations.

00:40:34.840 They had already been debunked and proved false before Trump got elected president.

00:40:40.100 They were clearly disproved.

00:40:42.020 They were in the wastebasket of history in 2016.

00:40:45.880 And then Trump gets elected, and I write two books about him and do a critique of the Mueller report.

00:40:54.100 And I'm on a lot of television critiquing Trump's opponents, and suddenly this all crops up.

00:41:00.060 We know that The New Yorker is publishing this hit piece this coming week or the week after precisely in order to quiet my voice on Trump.

00:41:08.380 We know that because we have direct evidence from the editor.

00:41:12.160 What is the evidence you have?

00:41:16.320 Somebody very close to The New Yorker told me about hearing directly from David Remnick and from Connie Brooke.

00:41:27.880 Like, take, for example, Connie Brooke, the woman who was assigned.

00:41:31.280 She has a son who came out and became gay, and the family loved him, adored him, embraced him.

00:41:37.440 Then the same son who was gay came out for Donald Trump and wrote a piece saying,

00:41:42.980 my family excludes me now, they won't have me to any events, I've been completely shunned.

00:41:47.960 This is the woman they assigned to write the hit piece on me. 1.00

00:41:51.360 She spoke to all my enemies.

00:41:53.140 She went back in history and found every conceivable thing that you can say negative about me from enemies,

00:41:58.780 many of them provably false.

00:42:00.580 And she puts together this article for the express purpose of silencing my voice.

00:42:05.840 She's a woman who has come out strongly against Trump, against Netanyahu, against Israel.

00:42:10.480 The same is true with David Remnick.

00:42:12.360 And so we will prove it in court because I will be suing The New Yorker for reckless disregard of the truth

00:42:20.920 and for publishing material that's clearly false.

00:42:24.100 They think they can hide behind the litigation privilege, and I think the courts are ready now to say,

00:42:28.940 no, no, no, that tactic won't work anymore.

00:42:31.360 You can't accuse somebody in court, refuse to confirm it in public,

00:42:36.740 and then sue him for defamation for truthfully defending himself.

00:42:41.100 Look, it's everybody's First Amendment right under our Constitution to call a false accuser a liar.

00:42:46.740 That's what I've done.

00:42:48.080 And so I've been sued by David Boies for calling Virginia Roberts a liar. 0.80

00:42:53.040 And I'm going to prove that she's a liar.

00:42:55.320 I'm going to prove that David Boies is complicit.

00:42:57.600 And so I'm looking forward to a trial.

00:43:01.060 I'm also trying to invoke the First Amendment in the case and argue that I have a complete right to defend myself.

00:43:07.500 This has become very political.

00:43:09.440 And to deny any American the right to defend himself in the court of public opinion

00:43:14.100 when they've been accused in court papers would be so un-American.

00:43:17.520 Some people are mad at you because you did the deal that got Jeffrey Epstein the greatest,

00:43:29.280 I don't even know what you would call it, the luxury condo jail suite kind of a deal.

00:43:36.520 And people are upset at you about that.

00:43:39.040 Well, understandably, and they should be.

00:43:41.080 It's my job.

00:43:42.240 If any people who are upset at me got in trouble and hired me to be their lawyer,

00:43:46.080 I would try to do the same thing for them.

00:43:48.240 It's the job of the defense lawyer to get the best result possible.

00:43:51.660 It's the job of the prosecutor to try to get the worst result possible, consistent with ethics.

00:43:56.480 And it's the job of the judge to do the right thing.

00:43:58.980 But you can't blame a defense attorney for trying to get a good deal for his client.

00:44:03.080 But, you know, this is part of the problem, though, in America.

00:44:06.900 And I don't even know what you think about Professor Hayward.

00:44:11.580 I think that was his name.

00:44:13.940 What is it?

00:44:14.740 I think you're talking about Ronald Sullivan Jr.

00:44:16.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:17.780 Oh, that was terrible.

00:44:19.880 Yeah, he was on the Harvey Weinstein team.

00:44:24.040 The students get him kicked out of the school.

00:44:27.820 This is in Boston, where John Adams was the guy who set up the way you're supposed to be.

00:44:37.300 If you're a defense attorney, you have to take cases of even the people who are the most despised.

00:44:45.060 And if you're a professor with tenure, you especially have to take the most despised,

00:44:50.080 because at least before the Sullivan case, you couldn't be fired if you did it.

00:44:54.980 And so, of course, you have to take the most despised cases.

00:44:57.820 That's what I teach my students.

00:44:59.580 Sullivan wasn't fired from Harvard.

00:45:00.940 The law school basically backs him completely.

00:45:03.520 It was the college that fired him from being the dean of one of the residential colleges,

00:45:08.420 because some of the women in the college said that they were frightened, that they felt scared.

00:45:15.960 To have a professor who defended somebody, this is the same professor who defended many women,

00:45:21.100 and who was a wonderful, wonderful man, the first African-American dean of a house,

00:45:26.780 and he gets fired because some women say they felt unsafe.

00:45:30.660 By the way, I think they're lying, these women who say they feel unsafe. 0.98

00:45:34.580 How would you feel unsafe in the presence of a professor, his wife, and his children?

00:45:39.000 You just don't like what he's doing, and you use the mantra of unsafe,

00:45:42.680 because that's become the latest way of getting people fired from their jobs.

00:45:46.140 Just say, oh, you feel unsafe.

00:45:48.020 Nobody can challenge you, because you're a woman. 1.00

00:45:50.060 And if you're a woman and you feel unsafe, that's the end of the inquiry.

00:45:53.860 And, you know, I think it was a terrible thing that happened at Harvard,

00:45:56.600 and I've condemned Harvard for doing it.

00:45:59.920 And, you know, people have said, why doesn't Harvard investigate me?

00:46:02.720 And my response is, please, go ahead, investigate me.

00:46:06.500 I will give you all the evidence.

00:46:08.160 I'm dying to be investigated.

00:46:09.900 I called on the FBI in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

00:46:13.320 I said, please investigate me.

00:46:15.600 That's the only way I can be vindicated.

00:46:18.760 You know, we have a new word in the vocabulary now, exonerated,

00:46:21.840 based on yesterday's disastrous hearing with Mueller.

00:46:26.640 He said the president wasn't exonerated.

00:46:29.260 That's not a legal principle.

00:46:31.280 You know, a prosecutor is supposed to either say, prosecute or not prosecute.

00:46:34.820 But I am looking to be exonerated.

00:46:37.620 I want to be totally exonerated because I am totally and completely and categorically innocent.

00:46:43.980 It's not a gray area.

00:46:45.540 Either I'm committing perjury or my false accusers are committing perjury,

00:46:49.500 and I want the FBI to determine who should go to jail.

00:46:53.560 I will not invoke any privileges.

00:46:55.720 I will say the truth.

00:46:57.080 Let the FBI determine who's telling the truth.

00:47:00.060 We don't really send people to jail now for perjury.

00:47:02.680 Unfortunately, that's too bad, especially in civil cases.

00:47:06.040 And I wish they did, and they should, because otherwise lawyers tell their clients,

00:47:10.560 hey, don't worry about lying a little bit in the deposition.

00:47:13.460 Nobody goes to jail for committing perjury in civil cases.

00:47:16.440 People should go to jail for committing perjury in civil cases.

00:47:20.120 And I'm inviting a criminal investigation of my testimony,

00:47:24.340 because I will testify unequivocally that I never met either of these women.

00:47:28.280 And if I'm lying, I will hold my hands out, let the handcuffs come, and put me in jail.

00:47:33.360 But if they're lying, they should go to jail along with their lawyers.

00:47:37.940 So I want to leave you with this one last thought.

00:47:42.840 This came from New York Magazine.

00:47:46.420 They wrote, Alan Dershowitz cannot stop talking.

00:47:49.660 Right.

00:47:50.060 I mean, it's a strange article when you read it.

00:47:56.000 But Boyce says,

00:47:59.320 To me, it's clear Mr. Dershowitz will never be made whole.

00:48:02.960 Toward the end of our morning at the vineyard,

00:48:04.920 Dershowitz stepped out of the room to have yet another crisis management call with his lawyer.

00:48:09.740 I took the opportunity to ask Cohen, your wife,

00:48:12.660 how she hoped to see this case between her husband and his accusers resolved.

00:48:17.500 She said, and I quote,

00:48:18.740 My hope, my greatest dream, would be for this to be revealed as a sinister plot by Boyce,

00:48:25.740 that he gets what's due him, and Alan gets totally exonerated.

00:48:30.960 And the Me Too movement pulls back some,

00:48:34.200 and becomes a more reasonable, due process-oriented, valuable movement.

00:48:38.640 This alerts us to the dangers of being too fanatical.

00:48:42.780 The balance of presumption, she says, has tilted too far.

00:48:47.120 It's like all men are evil.

00:48:51.280 What a wonderful wife. 1.00

00:48:52.720 I am so lucky to have this woman, Carolyn Cohen,

00:48:55.860 from Charleston, South Carolina, as my wife.

00:48:58.960 And I'm so proud of her.

00:49:00.700 And she has been so smart and so wonderful in this case.

00:49:04.900 Where do we end, Alan?

00:49:07.580 Not on your case alone, but the direction that we're headed as a nation.

00:49:13.540 There is no, it is proof of innocence, not proof of guilt now.

00:49:20.320 But even proof of innocence isn't enough.

00:49:22.300 In my case, I've proved my innocence.

00:49:24.320 An accusation today is enough to get the media to turn on you

00:49:29.060 and to try to destroy your entire life by a false accusation.

00:49:33.400 People think that sexual abuse is so heinous a crime

00:49:37.060 that even innocence is not a defense,

00:49:40.620 especially if you're a Trump defender of his rights.

00:49:44.360 You even had it yesterday, as you pointed out, with Mueller.

00:49:49.280 Wait, you were supposed to find out if the guy committed a crime.

00:49:55.140 And you just leave the door open and say,

00:50:00.020 well, I'm not really sure he might have done some other things.

00:50:04.100 Well, that's not the role of anyone that's supposed to be doing that,

00:50:08.920 at least in law enforcement.

00:50:10.740 I agree with you.

00:50:11.380 But in my case, I'd be happy to have a commission investigate.

00:50:14.440 They'll find that I did nothing wrong in my personal life.

00:50:19.000 And I strongly believe I wouldn't be in the position I'm in

00:50:22.520 if I hadn't taken the position against the political correct views of liberals

00:50:26.940 and stand up for the constitutional rights of Donald Trump,

00:50:30.640 the way I stood up for the constitutional rights of Richard Nixon

00:50:34.060 and the constitutional rights of Bill Clinton.

00:50:37.540 I will stand up for the constitutional rights of everybody.

00:50:40.680 Today I'm standing up for my own rights.

00:50:42.440 I never thought it would come to that, but it's come to that.

00:50:45.460 And, you know, the New Yorker had a piece totally defending Al Franken,

00:50:50.820 attacking his accusers, saying that they were lying.

00:50:54.460 And then they turn around and have exactly the opposite piece about me.

00:50:58.880 And, of course, in Al Franken's case, there are photographs.

00:51:01.680 We know he did inappropriate touching.

00:51:03.660 In my case, there is nothing, zero.

00:51:06.760 And yet the New Yorker is going to come out and attack me ferociously

00:51:11.720 while defending Al Franken.

00:51:13.460 What's the difference?

00:51:14.240 Al Franken is opposed to Donald Trump.

00:51:17.440 Al Franken believes that Donald Trump should be impeached.

00:51:20.480 I have defended Donald Trump and do not believe he should be impeached.

00:51:24.060 I think we should resolve all this by the election in 2020.

00:51:27.980 I'm a liberal Democrat who voted for Hillary Clinton,

00:51:31.360 but I support the rights of Donald Trump to be treated fairly and constitutionally.

00:51:36.760 He's not above the law, but neither is Congress,

00:51:39.440 and they can't impeach him for something that isn't specified in the Constitution.

00:51:42.720 That's the law as well.

00:51:43.800 Alan Dershowitz, this has been a remarkable conversation.

00:51:48.420 I admire you much more than I ever have,

00:51:52.640 and I've admired you for a long time.

00:51:56.500 Thank you so much for spending the time.

00:51:58.960 We'd love to have you come down for a podcast.

00:52:01.700 I would be happy to do it.

00:52:03.280 Let's see if we can arrange it.

00:52:04.420 Thank you.

00:52:04.820 Thank you very much, sir.

00:52:06.060 Sure.

00:52:06.500 Take care.

00:52:06.980 Be well.

00:52:07.460 Bye-bye.

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The Glenn Beck Program - July 25, 2019

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