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Glenn Beck joins us on the Glenn Beck Program to talk all things climate change and fossil fuels. Glenn is a conservative commentator, environmental activist, and author of the book "Fossil Future." He's also the founder and president of the Center for Industrial Progress, a think tank dedicated to fighting climate change. Glenn and I talk about how the climate crisis is getting worse and worse every day, and what we can do about it.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.
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Center for Industrial Progress Founder and President and author of Fossil Future.
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He's been watching COP28, which, you know, I didn't see 1 through 27, so I didn't really
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get it, but we wanted to have him come in and fill us in.
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I mean, what's been your kind of observation just looking at it from headlines?
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My observation is the arrogance is getting out of control.
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The attitude of the little people must be tamed is sickening.
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So just so people know, so COP stands for Conference of the Parties, and it's part of
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what's called the United Nations Framework Concern in Climate Change.
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They have all these acronyms and everything like that.
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And then the allegedly scientific basis of this is called the IPCC, Intergovernmental
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And this is really the epicenter of the net zero movement.
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And they always say the same thing, which is we did a decent job restricting fossil
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So this year, we really have to finish the job.
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And so they start arguing and everyone starts out by saying we should get rid of fossil fuels.
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And then some remotely sane people kind of mitigate it.
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But it still ends up with a totally evil, in my view, conclusion.
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But right now, they're literally considering that something that says a just and orderly phase
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Is that like America should get rid of it first?
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So that's the one that's getting headlines right now because the leaders want that.
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And it's really perverse because the only legitimacy to it is they're recognizing,
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wait a second, it doesn't make sense for undeveloped countries and developing countries
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And so some African nations are standing up and saying, hey, it's good for us to use
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And some are saying it's good for the world to.
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But then there's this movement, which is often like climate justice or climate reparations,
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where they say, no, no, Africa gets to use fossil fuels.
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And then the US needs to stop using fossil fuels by 2030, which can you imagine a worse
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thing for the world for all the developed economies to be destroyed?
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And the key to it is fossil fuel benefit denial.
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They say, we don't like the side effects of fossil fuels on climate, but they ignore
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And it's exactly as if you had an antibiotics conference and they just said, let's get rid
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It's like, okay, but that's going to kill billions of people.
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They're like, we're not going to talk about that.
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So tell me what a world looks like without fossil fuels.
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You can't describe it to people like the destruction of it, because it would be literally like,
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let's take their timetable of 2050, which, you know, this is something...
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This is literally the most popular political idea in the world.
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So that means rapidly eliminate almost all fossil fuel use.
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We could talk about some of the oil companies are pretending you can capture all the CO2 by
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But fossil fuels are 80% of the world's energy.
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They're still growing because they're uniquely cost effective.
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That's why China is building 300 new coal plants, despite, you know, all the hostility
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So if you get rid of the most cost effective source of energy in a world where most people
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use very little energy, and energy is absolutely a requirement for people to survive, let alone
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flourish, because it allows us to use machines versus using manual labor.
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We depend on diesel fuel for machinery, and we depend on natural gas for fertilizer.
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And these monsters are discussing eliminating fossil fuels full stop, and they're just not
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I happened to be standing, waiting for something.
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And I stood outside, and there was this big, what do you call those?
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And I'm watching them, and I'm like, this is the greatest boy job ever.
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I mean, that, I mean, I still, you know, at almost 60, I'm like, I want that job.
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But I just, I sat there, and I watched it, and I thought, oh, that's going to work with
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That's absolutely, I mean, there will be nothing, there will be nothing that is working.
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And if you get rid of fossil fuels, how do you charge the batteries?
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So, I think it's important, once you start asking these questions, I think you realize
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a broader point of mine, which is that the green movement and the green energy movement,
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they're not an attempt to replace fossil fuels with better energy.
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There's a deep hostility toward energy as such, because their focus is, let's protect the
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Human impact is evil, let's protect the planet from it.
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But if you hate human impact, you have to hate energy, because energy is impact.
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That's what we do with energy, is we impact the planet.
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We spent thousands of years trying to come up with a way to create energy.
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Every species wants impact except modern environmentalist humans.
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How do you convince these dolts that this is suicide?
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I mean, I do understand that people like John Kerry, they'll be able to have access to everything
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But these people who are out in the streets picketing, and I mean, are they really that stupid?
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Well, I think, so some people are truly anti-human, but I don't think that's most people.
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I think most people, they've just, they haven't even realized that they've been taught to think
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Again, ignoring all the benefits of fossil fuels and only looking at the negative side
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Hey, with any technology, we need to be even-handed.
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And then you need to educate them because, for instance, people don't know that fossil fuels
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They're taught the fiction that fossil fuels can be rapidly replaced by solar and wind.
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Those are people without solar or wind power at their house.
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So one of the things, you know, I have this book, Fossil Future, but also a free website,
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energytalkingpoints.com, and people can search any topic there and they can get very concise,
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And that's helping people educate their friends and family.
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So if you're having discussions during Christmas, just go to energytalkingpoints.com and you can
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search like solar and wind and you can learn the truth about it.
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It's not too hard to explain, but the mass media and educational system have just totally
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So when they say no more fossil fuels, does that mean no more drilling for it either,
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Well, it's actually worse than that because they make the-
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We're going to stuff people down the oil wells to replace the dinosaurs.
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Well, but what they do is they make this 2050 target for we have to be net zero, which means
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we can't add any more CO2 to the atmosphere by 2050, which I think would be the apocalypse
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But then what they do in the meantime is they say, it's not like that happens in 2050.
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They say, well, we need to ban, for example, natural gas infrastructure.
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So Markey out of Massachusetts, the senator, like he led this push to say no new natural
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He said, we committed to no new natural gas infrastructure by end of 2022, so we should
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And I'm thinking, wait a second, have you witnessed Europe?
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Like Europe is afraid of winter now, like it's Game of Thrones, right?
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Bangladesh is having blackouts because they don't have enough gas.
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And your solution is no new natural gas infrastructure.
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And also they think they don't understand oil and gas deplete.
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Otherwise, you can't even stay at your current level, let alone the larger level that people
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So, but what I'm asking is there are other uses for oil.
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You know, it's our synthetics for our clothing and everything else that comes from oil, the
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Well, some of them say like, oh, we can do it for that.
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But that whole industry is dependent on using it for energy.
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It's not like it's going to be a totally different thing.
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So it's, I mean, but the point is the green people are not thinking about energy.
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Protecting the planet from humans is their focus.
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So every time you bring up these rational things, it's true, but they're not thinking about
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And in a sense, I talk about this in chapter three of fossil future.
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In a sense, the benefits of fossil fuels are the problem because the benefits of fossil
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fuels allow the human race to expand for us to have 8 billion people, for us to have
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And a lot of these guys say explicitly, we should have 1 billion people or less.
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Now, think about what that implies in terms of any kind of near-term action.
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How do you get 8 billion people to 1 billion people?
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You know, the, especially when, when John Kerry said at COP28, what, a couple of days ago,
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that he just, he just gets enraged when he sees people who should be responsible in leading
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other people and they don't understand, we can't build another coal fire plant.
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I think to myself, first of all, who are you to decide who lives and dies?
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And the arrogance of your, of, of your position is just, it's crazy, crazy dangerous.
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I mean, I think the coal thing is particularly scary because everyone is piling on coal.
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And just if I mentioned energy talking points.com, if you just search electricity emergency, here's
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So we have a grid where we're artificially increasing demand for reliable electricity through
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This in California, where I live, this is the worst, but it's, it's happening everywhere.
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Then we're artificially decreasing the supply by shutting down coal plants, natural gas
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We already have an emergency where look at what happens in Texas.
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And in this environment, coal plants are protecting us from the abyss.
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We've shut down way too many without a viable replacement.
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And what does our administration do representing us on the international stage?
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They say, we're going to shut down the rest of them as quickly as possible.
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If they do that, we lose 20% of our reliable capacity or more.
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How long before the whole country is enrolling blackouts?
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I mean, it just depends because we have this EPA.
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That's just, again, they have no contemplation of the benefits of fossil fuels or reliable
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They're just focused on let's eliminate any emission we can.
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So it's hard to say, but when you see the emergency alerts, that means you have shortages.
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And it also means you have industrial blackouts.
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It means that industrial customers are having their power cut off.
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That happens before like a blackout is an accident, but the shortages are what you
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want to watch for, because that means that you don't have enough power.
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So we have shortages and all of these plans to decrease the supply.
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I think when I talk to a lot of politicians, this is one of the things I tell them, like,
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this is the existential thing you need to watch out for.
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And because the coal industry is so small and has a small lobby, you're not getting
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And there's some hostility toward coal sometimes, but like these coal plants, you do not want to
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We do not have the natural gas capacity that we're building.
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The natural gas infrastructure isn't built for electricity yet.
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We need to do a lot more stuff in gas, but shutting down coal right now is a terrible,
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Think of the entire year, all of the things that have happened.
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Well, they usually name some horrible dictator.
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I think that the Hamas would have had a better chance of winning it.
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How about Zelensky and Putin arm in arm on the cover?
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All this silence and patience, pining in anticipation, my hands are shaking from holding back from you.
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All of this silence and patience, pining and desperately waiting, my hands are shaking from all of this.
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Only bought this dress so you could take it off.
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It sounds wonderful and I'm really interested to know.
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It's the bicycle guy that just, I'm sorry, the bicycle woman that just won.
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Yeah, you know, the one that just won the bicycle race, you know.
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Wait, it's the transgender guy who won the bicycle?
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I only bought this dress so you could take it off.
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You don't think that Time Magazine would do the transgender movement?
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Lots of impact on my football watching every weekend.
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I just wanted to bring it up because I know how much she means to you.
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I get to hear the pitch of, hey, did you know a player on your favorite team is related
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to the person who's dating this woman that you don't care about?
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But no, I, Taylor Swift, I mean, look, you can, she had a heck of a year.
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If you're going to give it to an entertainer, she's, I think, the obvious choice.
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No, but I mean, like, if you're going to give it to an entertainer, I did feel like there
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You had a lot of stuff going on that was of large impact, but maybe.
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The anti, the ones that pointed out that we were just targeting Catholics for no reason
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Which ones would, which whistleblowers would you like?
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None of them, by the way, that you're going to mention would go to this unless it's a whistleblower
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But how about the, how about the Ivy League, um, uh, presidents of Harvard, MIT that, I
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mean, they're women and they were, they were fantastic yesterday, fantastic on antisemitism.
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Well, I think it's pretty hard to, let me play a little bit of the testimony on Capitol
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Hill from the, uh, from the presidents of Harvard, MIT and Penn.
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They were asked about, you know, the calls for genocide of all the Jews on their campus.
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At MIT, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate MIT's code of conduct or rules regarding
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If targeted at individuals, not making public statements.
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Calling for the genocide of Jews does not constitute bullying and harassment?
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I have not heard calling for the genocide for Jews on our campus.
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I've heard chants, which can be antisemitic depending on the context, or calling for the
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I have heard chants on campus that could, in the right context, be antisemitic.
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Like, calling for the genocide of the Jewish people.
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Well, sometimes when you call for the genocide of Jewish people, you're not being antisemitic
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Like, you're looking for more, uh, living space.
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There's another catchphrase you might remember from history.
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We need to spread out, spread our wings a little bit.
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So, she's heard chants that could, in theory...
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They could be antisemitic in the right context.
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You know, I don't know what context it would be antisemitic to say we should have a genocide
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So, those would not be according to the MIT's Code of Conduct or rules.
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That would be investigated as harassment, if pervasive and severe.
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Now, I think anybody standing at a rally chanting death or genocide to all the Jews, I don't know.
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It seems like if it doesn't violate your Code of Conduct, perhaps your Code of Conduct needs
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And I don't understand, you know, the intellect of Harvard.
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Ms. McGill, at Penn, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's rules or Code
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Well, if the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment.
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So, if they're chanting death to all the Jews...
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But then they actually kill Jews at that point.
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Once they've wiped out all the Jews, we're going to act.
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Well, and technically, the speech is calling for genocide, so they probably have to wipe
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You know, when there's no Jews left, we'll be like, you know what?
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Specifically calling for the genocide of Jews, does that constitute bullying or harassment?
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If it is directed and severe or pervasive, it is harassment.
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Calling for the genocide of Jews is depending upon the context.
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This is the easiest question to answer yes, Ms. McGill.
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So is your testimony that you will not answer yes?
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If the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment.
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Conduct meaning committing the act of genocide?
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I'm going to give you one more opportunity for the world to see your answer.
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Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's Code of Conduct when it comes to bullying
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And Dr. Gay, at Harvard, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules
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It's targeted at Jewish students, Jewish individuals.
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Do you understand your testimony is dehumanizing them?
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Do you understand that dehumanization is part of antisemitism?
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I will ask you one more time, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment, yes or no?
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Anti-Semitic rhetoric when it crosses into conduct that amounts to bullying, harassment,
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If you have a microaggression, which is not saying we should kill all of you, okay?
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If you use the wrong pronouns, they put these things into these categories.
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And calling for the genocide of Jews, well, you know what, if it's targeted towards an individual.
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Well, technically, if you're calling for the genocide of the whole race, it's not targeted at an individual.
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It's all individuals, every single one of them.
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But also, I will say, you know, that's one of the best grilling.
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I mean, that is, she did a really good job with that.
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Now, I will say, it should have been easy for them to say this.
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You can look at the, what you don't maybe get on radio is the faces of these women as they are trying to answer these questions.
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They're so smug and so like, oh, this, she's, I see what you're trying to do here and I'm not going to fall for it.
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You're trying to trap them to make them, to make them say the Palestinian protester kids are bad.
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It's like, well, yeah, when they're calling for the genocide of the Jews, yeah, they are.
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You should be able to say that with real confidence.
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Even more confidence than the pronoun mistake that you're going to throw 10 kids out of your school for next week.
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Here's a Jewish student that is suing you, Penn, describing anti-Semitism.
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Since October 7th, American Jews have been under attack.
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My name is Eyal Yacobi, and I am a proud American studying at the University of Pennsylvania.
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I've wanted to attend this university since before I can remember.
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I'm here because the Penn I attend today is unrecognizable from the Penn I once used to know.
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Penn, once renowned for groundbreaking discoveries like the mRNA vaccine, is now a chilling landscape of hatred and hostility.
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Our university, revered for its pursuit of knowledge, has devolved into an arena where Jewish students tiptoe through their days, uncertain and unsafe.
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Not only are tensions palpable, but there have also been materialized actions taken to intimidate and harm students.
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A professor posting the armed wing of Hamas's logo on Facebook.
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Etched adjacent to Penn's Jewish fraternity house.
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Why doesn't the university hold the perpetrators of such acts accountable?
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Is the university fearful that they may offend those who wish to intimidate and harass their fellow students?
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Penn's ambivalence fuels a crisis that has shattered my academic sanctuary.
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Policies meant to safeguard us have become hollow promises.
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And let us be clear, if they fail Jewish students today, tomorrow they will fail the rest of us.
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And not just for outing of anti-Semites, but also those who were called transphobic.
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I was at Colony Ridge over the last few days, been doing some investigation on a documentary that we're doing.
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He's our head researcher and head writer for the Glenn Beck Program.
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I mean, I kind of handed some of the stuff off yesterday.
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He's he's he's got another interview tonight and ride along in Colony Ridge.
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It is this massive, massive project where nobody speaks English, really.
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I think they have they have 50 sheriff's deputies for this enormous county.
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Um, and there's eight people for I believe it's seventy nine thousand people.
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Now, the developers will say there's only thirty five thousand people there.
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According to the school district that has a way to figure out how many people are coming in.
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And you have to live in that area to be able to go to the schools.
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They say there's seventy nine seventy five or seventy nine thousand people.
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Uh, and, uh, very few speak any Spanish at all.
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And, uh, the residents generally don't speak English.
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I talked to the sheriff yesterday and, um, this is the hardest story to figure out because
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I hear opposite stories from everybody we talked to and the sheriff was the first one
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So we're going to follow up, uh, this week with Jason.
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I've never seen a documentary where the host, uh, is wearing a tank top.
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So that'll be, that'll be fascinating to watch for multiple reasons.
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And that's coming out in January only on Blaze TV.
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It is so important that you, uh, subscribe to Blaze TV.
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I, I really believe the next 12 months, um, are going to decide really the fate of our nation
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and, uh, and possibly the voices that you hear.
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Uh, and I don't know if you saw, did you see the latest from, do we have the pictures from,
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I told you yesterday that Instagram, uh, they banned a story that we had where we just talked
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We showed the stuff that everybody else has seen and everybody else has shown.
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And I was talking about Hamas and what happened.
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Instagram, uh, banned me, banned that story and then banned me from doing anything live,
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Uh, and it's because I was talking about a dangerous group.
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Now, if you look at YouTube, when I'm talking about Hamas and this isn't happening on anybody
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else's page, when I'm talking about Hamas, first of all,
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Then if you click on it, it says, verify your age.
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So now they make you verify your age and sign in.
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How many people are actually going to see my coverage of what happened in Israel and Hamas
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This is just another way to suppress the truth.
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Uh, the last few months are unlike, and you know, if you've been a long-term listener,
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Uh, they have not come this hard for this program ever before.
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There's a couple of other things that I want to, uh, go through today.
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There is, um, well, this one's just kind of satisfying.
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Um, at the, uh, Met Opera last week, which is so relatable.
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Everybody goes to the opera and, um, you know, it's like, what's playing at the opera right now?
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But anyway, at the, at the Met, these climate protesters came in.
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Now, this is so satisfying to me because the Met, it's full of all those rich, snotty leftists, most likely.
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And, uh, and they're the ones who are funding all these climate idiots.
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So, climate idiot gets into the Met and starts to disrupt.
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I've never liked an opera audience more than this.
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I, I mean, wait till you see the guy in the tuxedo come.
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So somebody, somebody in the crowd hit this old lady.
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I mean, this is, this is worse than anything the media ever showed about a Trump rally.
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Are they aware the thing they're there for sucks?
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I think they're still under the illusion that this is nice.
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You got to believe half the men in that audience were like, thank you.
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Of course, the people that fund all of these extinction rebellion is the group that did
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And they're, you know, one of the most extreme organizations on the planet.
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We have a recurring segment on Studios America called idiots gluing themselves to things.
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They go and there are people that glue themselves to the floor of like a factory.
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And you're just like, why don't we never just to leave them there?
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We just take the, you know, we just work around them.
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Draw a yellow circle around for safety so you don't run into them or, you know, and you
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Just do that once and it's never going to happen again.
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No one's ever going to glue themselves to things again.
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But it'd be almost like a sequel to the movie Saw, where eventually you just leave a saw
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with them in the circle and just wait until they saw their hands off to get out.
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I, you know, I, I, that's, that's, I say they go, especially if they do it in an opera
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The operas, I think you just, you, you keep, you keep going with them and you'd be like,
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You can saw your hand off anytime you want to leave.
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And then they may just commit suicide with the saw to get out of the opera, which is a fascinating
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So here's Senator Kennedy yesterday talking to our, our FBI director, Christopher Wray
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about the Hunter Biden laptop, which we now know they knew everything about.
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They had all the information and they stepped, they kept silent.
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Why didn't the FBI just say, Hey, the, the, the, the, the laptop's real.
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Why didn't you just tell everybody the laptop's real?
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We're not vouching for what's on it, but it's real.
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Well, I, as you might imagine, the FBI cannot, especially in a time like that, be talking about
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Second, I would tell you that at least my understanding is that both the FBI folks involved in the
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conversations and the Twitter folks involved in the conversations both say that the FBI
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Well, I can't, again, I can't speak to others in government.
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That's part of the point that I was trying to make because the fifth.
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You're not part of the white house and part of Homeland security.
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Why didn't the FBI said, time out folks, we're not getting in the middle of this, but the
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Well, he said, cause you can't get involved in the middle of an election.
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So we couldn't, we couldn't deny, we couldn't deny the falsehoods.
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Wouldn't that be the one thing that you would want them to do is just say, look, I, we're
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not saying anything about the content of it, but we are, this is not Russian propaganda.
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They certainly should have informed the other branches of government that this was going
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on because those branches of government were going to all these social media accounts
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They were releasing letters saying this is Russian propaganda when in reality, they, they
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I mean, my guess is the FBI did go and did inform them that this was real and they did
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And again, I, I, I'm, I'm with you on, you know, Christopher Wray, I have no, no soft spot
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Donald Trump says he's the, the, the jury's still out on him.
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I mean, obviously Trump, you know, appointed him.
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Is that what he's, he's, he's like, I'm not sure now.
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I thought he, I mean, because some of this stuff has burned Trump.
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I mean, it's, it's not, it's not like Christopher Wray has been helpful to Donald Trump.
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So Donald Trump, his statement, I'm not going to be a dictator.
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I mean, on the first day I will be, but only that day.
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I would prefer zero days of him being a dictator.
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He's basically saying, yeah, I'm going to be a dictator for this first day.
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I'm going to repeal all of those executive orders.
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And of course that's not, it's the, that's the opposite of a dictator, right?
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You're taking someone who has been acting like a dictator and repealing what he's doing.
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Trump is the opposite of everybody else when it comes to this stuff.
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And maybe this is part of his, his magical power, but like most people want to say something
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And, um, also would that will cause the least problems for you?
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Like you would, you would want to form a sentence in a way that would disarm criticism.
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He's saying like, when he's saying this dictator thing and I read the transcript of it, I didn't
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see the clip, but I read the transcript of it and he's clearly just saying that he will
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go in and use the executive powers that he has as president and unwind bad policies that
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That's not a, that is not a way to describe what a dictator does, but he's actually says
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it in a way that makes it sound worse than it is.
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But, and it does seem to work for him at least with Republican primary voters.
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Like, I mean, I don't know that it works for everybody.
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I can't wait to watch this all play out, Glenn.