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00:00:00.000 Welcome to the podcast. Today, we spent a good amount of time on the Derek Chauvin trial,

00:00:04.980 talking about what's going to happen and how it's going to happen. What are the charges

00:00:09.760 actually look like here? Who's done a good job, the prosecution or the defense? We talked to

00:00:17.260 Andrew Branca, who makes a case about the idea that maybe the jury might consider not coming

00:00:25.120 back with a guilty verdict. I mean, you know what that looks like. It's not going to be a pretty

00:00:29.100 picture. We also talked about Maxine Waters and her latest bit of crazy. And how about the left

00:00:38.940 continually saying the Georgia laws and other voting laws are like the Jim Crow laws? What

00:00:43.360 were the Jim Crow laws really like? What? I mean, this is incredibly offensive to someone who actually

00:00:48.800 had to deal with Jim Crow laws. We go through all of that today on the podcast. Make sure to subscribe

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00:01:23.240 Can you imagine being a juror in this Chauvin trial? I mean, what is it that you're going through?

00:01:35.540 Have you ever been on a jury before for anything important, Stu?

00:01:40.580 I went through jury selection on some sort of health care trial. And once they found out that

00:01:47.100 I worked with Glenn Beck, they were not interested anymore in me serving on the jury.

00:01:53.900 Yeah.

00:01:54.900 Hey, easiest way, everyone out there, if you're ever wanting to get out of a jury duty,

00:01:59.500 just say you work with Glenn Beck.

00:02:00.800 You are clear. They do not want you anywhere near the jury. Actually, one side really did.

00:02:07.440 Once I was like, yeah, yeah, no, this guy seems pretty good. The other one's like,

00:02:10.740 absolutely not.

00:02:12.360 I went through the jury selection for a jury on an attempted murder. And the

00:02:17.760 prosecution knew exactly who I was, but the defense had no idea.

00:02:25.320 And when the defense said, yeah, I'm okay with this, with this juror, the judge kind of looked

00:02:34.000 at me, looked at the prosecution and then looked at the other guy and went, okay.

00:02:39.700 And so, I mean, good luck. But, you know, we really tried to be fair and it was, I think

00:02:47.140 it was an attempted murder charge.

00:02:49.120 Uh, and it was really frustrating because we couldn't, we couldn't get the background

00:02:55.380 of this guy. And, uh, and we called the judge in several times or, you know, sent for, you

00:03:04.060 know, clarification on things several times and it kept coming back. Can't tell you that

00:03:08.880 can't tell you that. And, and so you had to, you, I mean, your gut told you one thing, but

00:03:15.620 the evidence wasn't there. And, uh, it was, it was arguable evidence and it was really very

00:03:24.760 difficult to come to a decision. It was really hard. Imagine this one. You're also weighing

00:03:32.540 my city's going to be burned down.

00:03:34.740 Yeah. I don't think it's hard if you are thinking, okay, this guy's guilty. He did

00:03:40.740 it. We're going to, we're going to convict him of everything. That's probably pretty easy

00:03:44.960 because you're going to think of yourself probably as a hero. And, uh, and that's understandable

00:03:50.180 in context because that, if you, if that's what you think, I mean, this is how the media

00:03:55.320 has played this, right? Like this is a evil cop, uh, versus innocent.

00:03:59.740 But see, I don't think, I don't think you're taking into consideration when it comes down

00:04:05.440 to 12 people in a room. Uh, hopefully you're, you're not going in, uh, with just that arrogance.

00:04:15.720 You are at least when you get in there, you now have to sit down with, with 11 other people

00:04:21.520 and you have to have a conversation and go, well, wait a minute though. I, I don't see it

00:04:27.100 that way because what about this and this? And you're going over the testimony and you're

00:04:31.700 really picking it apart. It's, it's really difficult because the other thing is you realize

00:04:37.120 if it's true, you're setting free a bad guy. If it's not true, you're sentencing a guy

00:04:45.220 that shouldn't be there.

00:04:48.420 Yeah. Well, going back to your trial for a second, it's been a while. So correct me if

00:04:52.960 I'm wrong on any of these details, but my, my, my memory of you being on the jury was

00:04:57.660 that everyone kind of had an idea that this was a really bad case, but the evidence in

00:05:04.120 front of you limited you to say, to really consider and struggle with the, with the, with

00:05:10.400 the verdict. Right. And this guy was, this guy was an abusive guy, uh, tried to kill his

00:05:16.960 girlfriend. We found out afterwards that it had happened multiple times and that he showed

00:05:21.920 up in the trial. We didn't see it, but the sneakers that he wore were the sneakers he wore

00:05:27.380 when he tried to kill her. And apparently there was blood splatter on the shoe. Okay.

00:05:32.380 There was red splatter on parts of the sneaker and we couldn't, we didn't know any of that.

00:05:38.580 I, I, I, I mean, it was, but we couldn't go into the past. Right. And we could only consider

00:05:47.420 what was in front of us. And so I think most of us walked in going, the guy is guilty as

00:05:53.100 sin. Right. However, however, however, right. And that's what I mean. What is the evidence?

00:05:59.420 So the, the, the work of a jury is that's hard work, right? The easy thing for you to do

00:06:03.740 is be like, look, he's a bad guy. And the evidence doesn't quite add up, but he's a bad

00:06:07.180 guy. And we, we, there's, there's a little bit of a momentum behind that sort of side

00:06:12.980 of it. Right. And you had to fight that instinct to look at the evidence and do your job as someone

00:06:18.640 on a jury, right. As a juror, the opposite is true here. When you talk about George Floyd,

00:06:23.840 obviously times a thousand from your case, the, the overwhelming current, uh, and every one

00:06:31.460 of them knows this. Of course they're, they're well, way too aware of what's going on in the

00:06:36.140 news. They all know about the story. They all know that number one, everyone's going to think

00:06:41.760 they're terrible if they let this guy off Chauvin. Number two, if they let him off, their entire

00:06:48.400 city will be flat. There will be no buildings left in it and none of their property will have

00:06:54.040 any value. And it is a catastrophe for the city. They probably love. And I'm telling you,

00:07:00.960 that like they're human beings, that's not supposed to enter their, their mind, but they

00:07:05.700 have to be aware of this. And it is completely ridiculous that we sit here in a world where

00:07:13.140 this is the assumed and correct, uh, certainty that if there is not a guilty verdict of the,

00:07:20.640 I think honestly of the most extreme, you know, the most extreme charge, uh, the highest punishment

00:07:25.800 levels, uh, then you're going to have this type of, of reaction. And most of the media will sit

00:07:32.380 there and justify it. You know, I mean, we saw this clip, did you see this clip? Uh, I don't think

00:07:36.740 we have it here, um, in front of us, uh, to play, but it was a clip of, uh, CNN, uh, who had reporters

00:07:42.700 on the scene get attacked basically. And was this last, last week, right? Yeah. I think it was last

00:07:48.560 week. Yeah. Yeah. And they, they, they talked about it and they said, well, look, I understand why

00:07:53.220 they're angry. And, uh, you know, it's understandable that they'd be this angry and we were getting

00:07:58.540 pelted with, you know, water bottles and whatever else people could pick up. And it's understandable

00:08:02.720 why they were angry. Like, what are you talking about? What, what, what kind of, that's not

00:08:07.540 justifiable because you're a, because someone you may or may not know had a, an interaction with

00:08:14.540 police that may or may not, we don't even have the verdict yet be a crime. Um, although it looked

00:08:19.800 pretty bad to me, then it makes, it's justified to throw things at reporters. Like what, what

00:08:27.020 world are we talking about here? This is supposed to be a civilization. They certainly don't say

00:08:33.020 that about Trump, Trump supporters when they just say bad things to them. Yeah. When, when,

00:08:36.580 when Trump supporters would be like, you know, they would be chanting fake media. There would

00:08:41.300 be like terrified reporters on the air being like, these are death threats. Our lives are in

00:08:46.300 danger. We are the free press. Why is he calling us the enemy of the people? I mean, these are

00:08:51.320 words. These, these reporters are actually getting hit and the reporters getting hit were saying

00:08:56.980 they understood it. You know, I'm glad you said these are words because I, uh, in our three today,

00:09:05.800 I'm going to go over words and the power of words and what we who are fighting this onslaught

00:09:14.640 of insanity need to understand about words and the power of our own words. You know, there is, um,

00:09:23.220 uh, a hearing going on in the Senate. Uh, the judiciary committee is holding a hearing today on the

00:09:31.000 supposed Jim Crow laws, the latest assault on the right to vote. And those who are, are, um, 0.98

00:09:39.960 testifying Raphael Warnock. So he's the new Georgia Senator, Stacey Abrams, uh, Burgess Owens.

00:09:49.540 Thank goodness. He's one, uh, Sherilyn Eiffel from the NAACP, uh, Carol Anderson for, um, uh,

00:09:58.680 she's a professor of African American studies and chair of African American studies at Emory

00:10:03.580 University, the secretary of state of New Hampshire, the, uh, speaker of the Georgia house of

00:10:10.660 representatives. They're all going to testify today on Jim Crow laws. And let me tell you

00:10:18.340 something. This is an absolute insult and insult to this is everything. The ADL has ever said when

00:10:28.600 anybody on the right brings up, Hey, this is fascistic. These are the same kinds of seeds

00:10:35.080 that started, you know, in Germany, they go crazy. That's an insult to the memory of all of those

00:10:43.440 in Auschwitz and the other, uh, death camps. Yeah. I actually think it's more of an insult. I think

00:10:50.000 those people would say, Hey, if you see the seeds, you might want to point them out. So it doesn't happen

00:10:55.160 again. I think ignoring things or worse yet, ignoring them only on one side or the other,

00:11:03.740 not ignoring consistently, but ignoring on one side or the other. That's an insult. Now, where are the

00:11:13.860 people who say, how dare you? How dare you say that, that Joe Biden or any of these things could be

00:11:23.300 compared to Hitler? That's horrible. After they spent four years calling worse names than Hitler,

00:11:32.060 Hitler was their starting point with Donald Trump. Where are they now on Jim Crow laws? 0.50

00:11:39.000 Where are the people that actually lived through some Jim Crow laws and not even Jim Crow laws,

00:11:45.360 the remnants of Jim Crow laws? Where are the people that actually know what Jim Crow laws were?

00:11:55.460 Is there any outrage? I'm going to give you the, the evidence that every time somebody says,

00:12:03.500 that's Jim Crow, I want you just to repeat a few words. And, uh, and those words will have power. 0.76

00:12:13.120 Nobody's going to hear him. Nobody's going to like him, but it's the words that need to be spoken

00:12:19.280 every time we need to start. We need to stake out our, you know, we are so close to the cliff and so

00:12:29.200 many people are going over it right now. You have to refuse not to go over the cliff with the rest of

00:12:33.720 humanity. So you need to start staking out your position. And when I say drive stakes into the ground

00:12:41.040 and tie yourself to these positions, to these stakes, you're everything is going to want to push

00:12:47.100 you over the edge. Stake yourselves in a few truths.

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00:14:09.120 Andrew Brank, he is an attorney specializing in self-defense law. He is the founder of

00:14:14.940 lawofselfdefense.com. He is a guest instructor in Quantico for the FBI. He's, I mean, his resume

00:14:26.300 is very, very long. He recently won the UC Berkeley Law School debate on Stand Your Ground,

00:14:33.260 which Berkeley? Really? We wanted to talk to him about what was going on in Minnesota, what is coming,

00:14:42.200 what happened during the trial, should we know, and what's happening perhaps in the jury room,

00:14:48.780 what are they wrestling with now? Andrew, welcome to the program. How are you?

00:14:52.160 I'm very pleased to be here. Can you hear me okay, Glenn? I can, I can. So let's start with

00:14:59.580 the charges that Chauvin has been charged with, because murder, it seems, in Minnesota,

00:15:07.940 murder in the third degree and murder in the second degree are different in Minnesota. Is that right?

00:15:14.060 They are, yes. So Minnesota uses the label murder in a way that other states don't. In other states,

00:15:20.460 a murder is an intentional killing. Chauvin's not been charged with any intentional killing,

00:15:26.760 whatever. He's been charged with, in effect, reckless killing. So in most states, these would

00:15:31.780 be called manslaughter or reckless homicide. They would not normally be called murder. So the use of

00:15:37.920 the label murder here is somewhat misleading. Okay. So why is that, first of all? Does it carry the

00:15:45.540 same weight as murder or is it like manslaughter in other states? It's like manslaughter. So these

00:15:52.600 charges should be thought of as basically manslaughter charges, reckless homicide charges.

00:15:57.580 And the take-home message from this really is that it tells us that even the state itself does not

00:16:03.660 believe that this was an intentional killing. If they believed that, they would have charged him with

00:16:08.200 intentional murder, which they have not done. They've only charged him with reckless murder,

00:16:13.380 reckless killing. Okay. So can we go over, I mean, just let's look at the charges here. Murder in the

00:16:18.580 second degree while committing a felony. That's what he's charged with. What felony was he committing?

00:16:26.580 The underlying felony there is third degree assault, which is an assault that causes serious bodily

00:16:32.300 injury or, of course, death. And that's a felony under Minnesota law. So that's the predicate felony

00:16:38.400 for the felony murder charge, what they call second degree murder, but most states would call felony

00:16:43.400 murder. Okay. So the first element is the death of George Floyd has to be proven. I think we got that

00:16:48.820 one. Second element, defendants' actions were a substantial causal factor in Mr. Floyd's death. Now, this is where

00:16:56.080 the medical examiner kind of pulls some weight here because he said it did. He wrote the murder down

00:17:05.740 as cause of death murder, didn't he? Well, it's more complicated than that. He actually does not say

00:17:12.840 that explicitly. He says that the death occurred, the cardiopulmonary arrest occurred in the context

00:17:20.320 of the police restraint. He doesn't explicitly say that the police restraint caused the cardiopulmonary

00:17:26.080 arrest. He's letting other people draw that conclusion and make those statements. That's

00:17:31.260 why the prosecution brought in their expert witness, Lindsay Thomas, an alternative forensics

00:17:38.300 pathologist to interpret Dr. Baker's report, even though Dr. Baker himself came in to testify

00:17:43.900 about his report. They needed someone else to make that explicit connection that Dr. Baker was unwilling

00:17:50.460 to make. So wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. So the coroner himself did not say he would

00:17:59.000 not make the connection on the stand. No. So all he's prepared to say is that these things happened

00:18:05.540 at the same time. Well, I mean, does that hurt the prosecution? I mean, I would imagine it would.

00:18:14.340 Well, the prosecution recognized that weakness. I mean, obviously, they've had access to Dr. Baker

00:18:20.200 from the very beginning. And if he was willing to explicitly make that statement, they needed only

00:18:24.280 him. There's a reason why the prosecution brought in a great many additional medical and forensic expert

00:18:31.120 witnesses, frankly, to the point where I think it definitely should not have been allowed because it

00:18:39.120 becomes a cumulative, overwhelmingly cumulative evidence being brought in on essentially the same

00:18:46.160 argument over and over and over again. Normally, that's not permitted in court. Normally, you make

00:18:50.820 your argument, you bring in a witness to testify about it, and that's it. You don't get to bring

00:18:55.080 in eight people or 10 people to make effectively the same argument over and over again to the jury,

00:18:59.980 which is what the prosecution did in this case.

00:19:02.140 So why did the judge allow that?

00:19:06.140 You would have to ask the judge why he would allow that.

00:19:11.160 Most judges, in my experience, would not. There's a lot that this judge allowed that would

00:19:16.000 simply not have been permitted in most criminal courts, in my experience. But of course, we've

00:19:21.280 seen judges go off the rail before, right? We all were of a certain age. We were familiar with the OJ

00:19:26.820 trial and Judge Lance Ito in that case, who lost control of his courtroom. Cahill was nowhere near

00:19:31.860 that bad. But he certainly allowed a lot of conduct that would not have been considered

00:19:36.640 permissible in most criminal courts, including Prosecutor Blackwell's rebuttal closing yesterday,

00:19:42.760 which was full of, frankly, lies, misrepresentations of the evidence, misrepresentations of the defense

00:19:50.160 argument, to the point where, in my opinion, and the defense made a motion for this, which was denied

00:19:56.080 by the judge. But in my opinion, that was prosecutorial misconduct worthy of a mistrial right

00:20:01.680 there, and certainly of a reversal of conviction after the fact.

00:20:05.980 Wow. Holy cow, will that just set the country on fire, or at least Minneapolis for sure on fire.

00:20:12.900 I want to get to that here in just a second.

00:20:15.400 I want to make clear, Judge Cahill denied the motion for a mistrust, so there is no mistrust.

00:20:20.080 Right, I know.

00:20:20.860 No, I know.

00:20:21.580 There were grounds for it, in my opinion.

00:20:23.080 Right. But, I mean, if it goes back for a second hearing, and they reverse this verdict,

00:20:33.380 or, you know, they go back later and say, this is invalid, I mean, that's just going to set

00:20:41.740 everything on fire. Odds of that happening, Andrew?

00:20:44.340 Uh, I'm a legal professional, so I don't place those kinds of bets. But there are very, very

00:20:50.180 solid grounds for a robust appeal in this case, on many fronts, not just on Blackwell's closing.

00:20:56.240 Okay. Let me just finish up with the charges, and then we'll come back to some other things.

00:21:01.320 Murder in the third degree. They have to prove the death of George Floyd, then defendants' actions

00:21:07.220 were a substantial causal factor in Mr. Floyd's death. The fact that other causes contributed

00:21:14.320 to the death does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability. The defendant caused

00:21:18.840 the death of George Floyd by an intentional act that was eminently dangerous to other persons.

00:21:26.240 Uh, but is the kneeling on the back, is that a legal procedure in Minnesota, or was it at the time?

00:21:38.680 Well, that's a matter of factual dispute. So, certainly, the Minneapolis Police Department

00:21:44.040 trains its officers to use their knee on the back and neck of suspects, but mostly for the purposes

00:21:50.920 of getting them handcuffed. Whether you're allowed to keep your knee there is ambiguous. They don't

00:21:57.220 tell you you can't, but they don't explicitly train you to do it either. That's why you always

00:22:03.060 heard the prosecutors repeat over and over again, this was not a trained technique. And that's true 0.99

00:22:07.940 for how long it was kept in place. But just because it's not trained doesn't mean it's not permitted,

00:22:13.280 or does it mean that it's unlawful? So, that's where we get into the ambiguity of whether Chauvin

00:22:19.060 should have known, for example, that that conduct was criminal conduct. He'd never been told he can't

00:22:23.600 do that. Okay. So, in the, um, in Murder in the Third Degree, he, he doesn't have to intend to cause

00:22:33.620 the death. And he, he may not have been specifically directed at the particular person whose death

00:22:40.660 occurred. What does that mean? Well, traditionally, third degree murder under Minnesota law meant that

00:22:46.660 you were not creating a threat to some specific individual in particular, but a threat to people

00:22:53.200 generally. So, the example I would use is drunk driving. You're drunk, you get in your car, you drive

00:22:57.980 down the road, you're not trying to hit anybody in particular, but you are creating a danger to the

00:23:02.760 public generally. And then if you do cause injury, you're obviously responsible for that injury. That

00:23:07.100 would be under third degree murder if you killed someone while drunk driving. It used to not apply if you

00:23:13.300 were creating a danger only to a single individual. It was, it was required that it was a group threat, a

00:23:20.100 general threat, but the, the Minnesota appellate courts recently rewrote that legal doctrine, uh,

00:23:27.140 so that it can now apply to even a threat to only a single individual. That's why when Chauvin was

00:23:34.320 originally charged with third degree, the judge in the case threw it out. He says, no, this is not a

00:23:38.400 case where there's a general threat, but then the court of appeals changed the law. The prosecution came

00:23:43.200 back and the third degree murder charge was reinstated. Wow. Uh, all right. And the last one

00:23:49.980 is manslaughter in the second degree defendant caused the death of George Floyd by culpable

00:23:54.640 negligence. Um, defendant created an unreasonable risk, consciously took a chance of causing death

00:24:00.600 or great bodily harm. Defendant may not have intended, uh, for his conduct to be harmful.

00:24:05.860 This seems like that one's easy to hit out of the park. And we're just going over the charges

00:24:11.420 over the last few minutes. So let's, let's talk about all three of these charges and, and where you

00:24:18.440 think, uh, they made the case or missed making the case. Let's start with murder in the second

00:24:25.440 degree. Murder in the second degree. That's the felony murder charge. It has to be predicated on

00:24:32.220 the, whether or not he committed a third degree assault. Um, and frankly, it's open to factual

00:24:39.900 interpretation, whether or not you think he committed an assault. Do you think that use of force

00:24:44.900 was unauthorized under the circumstances? I expect that in fact, Chauvin and other officers in the

00:24:53.120 MPD have been using that exact same technique on suspects, their entire careers, and nobody has ever

00:25:00.160 died as a result. I expect that no one was more surprised when Floyd died than Chauvin was.

00:25:08.300 That's why he has not been charged with an intentional killing. Even the prosecutors don't believe

00:25:13.980 he believed that he was killing George Floyd. If they thought that was the case, they would have

00:25:19.580 charged him simply with straight up intentional murder instead of these variety of reckless

00:25:24.820 killing charges. So the question becomes, was his restraint of Floyd criminally reckless? Did he know

00:25:32.240 he was creating a risk of death and did it anyway? That's really the basis, for example, of the

00:25:37.440 manslaughter charge. And do you think that the prosecution made the case or do they even need to that, that, you know,

00:25:45.380 they played the video over and over again and it's excruciating to watch. I mean, I don't think there's a

00:25:50.580 single American watching that, that isn't emotionally filled with horror on what's going on. Does he have a chance of,

00:25:59.280 of, of, of, of anybody actually saying no, that that wasn't, that wasn't a felony in the third degree?

00:26:09.360 Well, if the, if the argument had been made more effectively, frankly, I think he would be in a

00:26:15.180 better position. Now, his defense attorney, Eric Nelson, I think largely did a very good job. And of

00:26:20.980 course, he's the guy in court actually doing the job. So I hate to be, come across like an armchair

00:26:27.480 quarterback, but there were arguments to be made here that I think would have been much more

00:26:32.540 effective that were not made. I mean, the critical period that really matters here is not the nine

00:26:37.200 minutes and 29 seconds that they keep talking about, because Floyd was alive for almost all of

00:26:42.680 that. It's not until the last 90 seconds that any of the officers have a reason to believe that he

00:26:48.940 might not be breathing or there might not be a pulse the last 90 seconds before the paramedics show up.

00:26:54.440 That's the real sensitive point for the defense. Why was he still restraining him then and not

00:27:02.280 providing CPR in that 90 seconds? If I were on the jury, that's the question I would want to answer

00:27:07.340 because up until that point, Floyd was still alive. He wasn't dead yet.

00:27:13.200 And did anybody answer that? Did the defense answer that at all?

00:27:16.580 The defense raised facts that were relevant to answering that question, but they never

00:27:22.340 seem to pull it together into a cohesive answer for the jury. It's almost like they see it,

00:27:29.280 so they expect the jury will see it. But any of us have conversations on complicated topics,

00:27:34.640 you know, you have to build the narrative. You have to hand the jury a completed explanation.

00:27:39.880 You can't expect them to do the work to arrive at the view of events that you have.

00:27:47.460 So you say that murder in the second degree, if he was, if they do find that he was committing a

00:27:54.040 felony, then murder in the second degree is likely to happen. Yes. If they conclude that he committed

00:28:01.060 the felony of third degree assault under Minnesota law, then felony murder is done. That's all they have

00:28:07.660 approved for felony murder. So I, my gut would say that that's the way it's going to come down. If it

00:28:13.940 comes down to that one question on, on whether or not, uh, you know, that last 90 seconds, uh, was

00:28:23.020 answered for correctly. I, I just, I think it's just too much emotion and, and, uh, and as you point

00:28:29.600 out, not enough, uh, answering of that question. I think he gets that. I mean, if it were me on the

00:28:37.640 jury, I would have no hesitation in voting, not guilty on this. I have more than sufficient

00:28:42.920 reasonable doubt, but as an attorney with some expertise in this area, I, I perhaps see things

00:28:48.520 differently than we could reasonably expect those jurors to see things. They're not legal experts.

00:28:54.560 Why would you vote not guilty?

00:28:57.700 Because I don't think the use of force was unauthorized. I don't think it was unlawful.

00:29:03.020 I think it might not have been trained, but that's different than being unlawful conduct.

00:29:07.480 I think that was a reasonable use of force under the circumstances. I don't believe he was choking

00:29:12.460 the life or crushing the life out of George Floyd. I don't think there's evidence of that. The only

00:29:16.940 evidence of that is that Floyd ended up dying, but there are alternative explanations for Floyd's

00:29:22.260 death that are consistent with it not having been caused by Jovan's knee, including the 90% blockage

00:29:29.480 of coronary arteries, the pathological hypertension, the enlarged heart, the fentanyl, the meth,

00:29:34.740 the decision to fight police for 10 minutes. Any of those things could have killed Floyd

00:29:38.840 without a Chauvin's knee having been a substantial contributing factor to Floyd's death.

00:29:45.720 Okay. So murder in the third degree, did they make this case? What were the strengths and weaknesses

00:29:52.240 of that? But again, that all hinges on the use of force being unauthorized. And if you don't believe

00:30:00.840 that Chauvin was killing Floyd with his knee, using excessive force with the knee, but merely holding

00:30:07.220 him in place, waiting for paramedics to arrive, and you don't believe there was a causal link of death,

00:30:14.540 you don't believe the knee killed him. You believe, at least there's a reasonable doubt,

00:30:18.740 that those other factors, the heart disease, the fentanyl, the meth, the tumor in Floyd,

00:30:26.220 that there's a reasonable doubt that those other things could have been the drivers of Floyd's

00:30:30.280 death, not the knee, then it's not third degree murder either.

00:30:36.020 And is the same to be said about manslaughter then?

00:30:40.520 Yes, because manslaughter, the question is, was the use of force reckless? Did he recklessly

00:30:45.040 create a risk of death? And if you don't believe he was grinding him to death with his knee,

00:30:49.100 then he wasn't doing that.

00:30:54.020 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:31:03.960 So I just want to read two articles for you. You know, people have said that the United States,

00:31:09.320 and this is, this is coming from the business community. This is coming from the big businesses

00:31:15.560 around the world. They say that China is the new model. So the way China does its business is the way

00:31:23.560 these big businesses want to do business in their countries and in the Western world.

00:31:29.560 And you're hearing whenever you hear people talk about infrastructure, we've got to invest in our

00:31:35.380 future. That used to mean roads and bridges and things like that. But that's not what that means

00:31:41.140 now. What that means is putting the United States in a position where we're advantaged because the

00:31:49.740 Chinese are advantaged because the government invests in so much new technology. Well, that's fine and 1.00

00:31:57.940 in dandy. But we really haven't had a problem until the government started getting involved

00:32:04.680 with everything. So your tax dollars are going to be directed into businesses and into future

00:32:12.480 technology like solar panels, etc., etc. But the economy becomes controlled. This is Marxism and

00:32:20.580 socialism and eventually communism, which let's not forget, that's what China is, a controlled 0.92

00:32:26.320 communist society that now has a capitalist market, if you will. Okay, so I want you just to listen to

00:32:35.220 these two stories and tell me we're not already there. This is from Daily Mail Online. China launches

00:32:40.500 an app for citizens to report anyone who has mistaken opinions. Released by China's cyber regulator,

00:32:49.220 along with a similar hotline, the app aims to crack down on historical nihilists ahead of the party's 100th

00:32:57.700 anniversary in July. An arm of the Cyberspace Administration of China said the app and hotline

00:33:05.100 will allow and encourage net netizens instead of citizens netizens to report fellow internet users who

00:33:15.120 spread mistaken opinions in order to create a good public opinion atmosphere. Now, such offenses would include

00:33:24.220 distorting the party's history,

00:33:27.560 attacking its leadership,

00:33:30.420 its policies,

00:33:32.120 defaming national heroes,

00:33:34.100 and deny the excellence of advanced socialist culture

00:33:38.020 online.

00:33:38.620 aren't we already there?

00:33:43.220 By the way, here in America, the app is called

00:33:45.600 Twitter.

00:33:49.080 Distorting the party's history.

00:33:50.920 If you mention anything at all about the history of the Democratic Party,

00:33:55.740 you are,

00:33:57.220 you're a pariah.

00:33:59.080 You're lying.

00:34:00.420 You're a liar and lying lies about all the lies about the lying liars of the Democratic Party.

00:34:06.980 You attack the leadership.

00:34:10.160 If you said anything about Barack Obama,

00:34:12.480 you're a racist. 0.92

00:34:13.680 If you said any,

00:34:15.180 if you say anything about Joe Biden,

00:34:17.360 you're just a Donald Trump Nazi.

00:34:21.740 But they can say anything.

00:34:23.800 If you defame the national heroes,

00:34:26.880 well,

00:34:28.600 who are our national heroes now?

00:34:30.240 Don't you dare say anything about George Floyd.

00:34:36.780 Don't you point out his record or anyone else

00:34:40.400 that the evil police have gone off on

00:34:44.080 or have killed one way or another.

00:34:47.440 Don't talk about any of that.

00:34:49.600 They're heroes.

00:34:50.620 Or if you deny the excellence of advanced socialist culture.

00:34:59.260 We're already there, gang.

00:35:01.560 Except this one is being done specifically by the government

00:35:05.220 and the app is required for everyone to have.

00:35:08.740 For now,

00:35:09.340 for a while,

00:35:09.980 they say some people have had ulterior motives

00:35:13.940 and they have

00:35:15.640 spread this

00:35:18.200 historically nihilistic false statements online,

00:35:22.460 maliciously distorting,

00:35:23.860 slandering,

00:35:24.440 and denying party,

00:35:25.580 national,

00:35:26.080 and military history

00:35:27.040 in an attempt to confuse people's thinking.

00:35:30.620 We hope the majority of Internet users

00:35:32.940 will actively play their part

00:35:34.640 in supervising society

00:35:36.540 and enthusiastically report harmful information.

00:35:40.180 Yawol.

00:35:42.520 The notice didn't specify

00:35:44.200 what punishments would be dealt with

00:35:46.040 for people who are reported through the hotline.

00:35:49.320 China already faces jail time.

00:35:52.540 It will give you jail time

00:35:53.760 if you're somebody online

00:35:55.080 and you say something they don't like.

00:35:57.120 You'll get legal punishments

00:35:58.380 for posting content

00:35:59.460 that is critical of the country's leadership,

00:36:01.940 policies,

00:36:02.540 or history.

00:36:04.120 Anyone who insults,

00:36:06.140 slander,

00:36:06.660 or infringe upon

00:36:07.580 the memory of China's national heroes

00:36:09.520 and martyrs

00:36:10.260 will go to jail

00:36:11.360 for up to three years.

00:36:13.740 By the way,

00:36:15.520 they have punished

00:36:16.560 at least 2,000 people

00:36:19.240 who have had the wrong response

00:36:22.520 to the coronavirus pandemic

00:36:26.040 and questioned the authorities.

00:36:30.640 Do you see how close we are to this?

00:36:34.800 Now, let me give you a story

00:36:36.000 that came out the first day.

00:36:37.440 I mean, the same day.

00:36:39.040 This came out yesterday.

00:36:42.220 Alien is now

00:36:43.480 non-citizen or migrant,

00:36:46.180 and legal alien

00:36:47.260 is now undocumented non-citizen,

00:36:49.640 undocumented individual,

00:36:50.720 or migrant,

00:36:51.580 according to the Border Patrol.

00:36:55.940 Immigration officials

00:36:56.900 have now been directed

00:36:58.040 to use new inclusive terminology

00:37:00.480 to describe people

00:37:01.920 who illegally cross the U.S. border

00:37:03.820 seeking to establish new homes.

00:37:06.060 Among the mandates

00:37:07.500 is that border crossers 1.00

00:37:08.640 can no longer be described

00:37:10.040 as alien or illegals.

00:37:12.600 The memorandum

00:37:13.880 establishes updated language

00:37:15.820 and assigns our communication

00:37:18.020 or aligns our communication practices

00:37:19.940 with the Biden administration's guidance

00:37:22.080 regarding immigration terminology.

00:37:25.460 According to the new policy,

00:37:26.860 alien is now non-citizen or migrant.

00:37:28.760 The term illegal alien,

00:37:29.920 undocumented non-citizen,

00:37:31.320 undocumented individual,

00:37:32.380 or migrant.

00:37:33.520 Elsewhere in the chart,

00:37:34.660 assimilation is now integration

00:37:36.640 or civic integration.

00:37:39.040 They say the words we use matter.

00:37:44.440 Oh, yes, they do.

00:37:45.820 Oh, yes, they do.

00:37:51.140 There is a great story

00:37:55.240 that I read today

00:37:58.320 from The Federalist.

00:38:00.460 Ten politically correct

00:38:02.340 but false words

00:38:04.460 you need to stop using right now.

00:38:11.000 They are changing our language 0.99

00:38:14.440 and they are policing it

00:38:16.460 and it will become an app.

00:38:18.800 It's only a matter of time.

00:38:23.360 The New York Times,

00:38:24.660 The Washington Post,

00:38:26.020 CNN,

00:38:27.060 CBS,

00:38:27.940 MSNBC,

00:38:28.640 the first word

00:38:29.940 that we need to stop using,

00:38:31.860 the first two words are

00:38:32.720 mainstream media.

00:38:34.580 and what that means

00:38:37.200 is that they reflect

00:38:39.180 mainstream America

00:38:41.580 and I don't believe they do.

00:38:44.460 They may be coastal

00:38:46.140 media.

00:38:48.120 They may express the views

00:38:50.760 of those in California

00:38:52.140 and New York

00:38:53.180 but they don't,

00:38:54.620 they do not represent

00:38:55.980 mainstream America.

00:38:58.740 Big media

00:39:00.020 is what we should,

00:39:01.760 corporate media

00:39:02.860 is what we should call them.

00:39:06.940 60 Minutes

00:39:08.100 invented a scandal

00:39:11.080 about Ron DeSantis.

00:39:12.480 They edited

00:39:15.240 video

00:39:17.300 for an interview.

00:39:19.500 They haven't really

00:39:20.600 covered Andrew Cuomo's

00:39:22.180 cover up of

00:39:22.960 the COVID-19

00:39:24.640 nursing homes.

00:39:26.740 Russiagate,

00:39:27.880 notice that

00:39:28.480 that we spent

00:39:29.160 how many years?

00:39:29.840 Four years on Russiagate?

00:39:31.400 Now nobody seems

00:39:32.280 to be interested

00:39:32.880 in Russiagate.

00:39:33.740 Why?

00:39:34.140 Because it's been proven

00:39:35.380 to be inaccurate

00:39:36.140 and they won't even

00:39:37.460 admit that

00:39:38.340 now.

00:39:39.420 The cover up

00:39:40.120 of Hunter Biden,

00:39:40.820 the laptop story.

00:39:42.640 That's not mainstream.

00:39:44.120 None of these things

00:39:45.220 are mainstream.

00:39:47.120 Stop calling them

00:39:48.620 mainstream media.

00:39:49.780 It's the corporate

00:39:50.720 media

00:39:51.420 or big media.

00:39:55.560 The next word

00:39:57.020 we have to stop using

00:39:58.660 is gender.

00:40:01.800 What we mean

00:40:03.160 is sex. 0.52

00:40:06.200 Words

00:40:06.960 have gender

00:40:08.060 but people

00:40:09.840 are one

00:40:10.800 sex

00:40:11.240 or another.

00:40:12.880 Male

00:40:13.400 or female.

00:40:15.660 That refers

00:40:16.680 to sex.

00:40:18.920 Sex

00:40:19.200 is a

00:40:19.760 biological

00:40:20.340 category

00:40:21.060 that reflects

00:40:21.800 a person's

00:40:22.500 physical

00:40:22.960 characteristics

00:40:23.720 and reproductive

00:40:24.600 systems

00:40:25.220 and manifests

00:40:26.760 in certain

00:40:27.620 broad behavioral

00:40:28.560 differences

00:40:29.140 that distinguish

00:40:29.860 men and women.

00:40:31.940 My son

00:40:33.480 was having

00:40:34.060 a hard time

00:40:34.700 arguing with his

00:40:35.740 friends

00:40:36.120 and I didn't

00:40:36.800 know how

00:40:37.420 to help

00:40:38.080 him

00:40:38.420 until I

00:40:39.380 contacted

00:40:39.820 Dr.

00:40:40.240 Debra

00:40:40.420 So

00:40:40.680 and said

00:40:41.000 okay

00:40:41.360 how do

00:40:41.620 you win

00:40:41.880 this

00:40:42.040 argument?

00:40:43.540 You

00:40:43.780 stop using

00:40:45.060 the word

00:40:45.320 gender.

00:40:46.400 It's sex.

00:40:47.460 Part of this

00:40:48.040 is biological.

00:40:49.140 Gender

00:40:49.440 is how you

00:40:50.180 feel.

00:40:50.980 Well you

00:40:51.280 can feel

00:40:51.940 anything you

00:40:52.720 want

00:40:53.160 but the

00:40:54.640 facts are

00:40:55.380 you're

00:40:56.680 male or

00:40:57.180 female.

00:40:59.200 That leads

00:41:00.140 to the next

00:41:00.800 series of

00:41:01.640 words that we

00:41:02.300 need to stop

00:41:03.000 using.

00:41:03.500 Sex

00:41:03.780 reassignment

00:41:04.480 surgery.

00:41:06.180 Sex is 0.97

00:41:06.620 not assigned.

00:41:08.220 It's not

00:41:08.940 assigned at

00:41:09.760 birth.

00:41:10.320 It's not

00:41:10.680 assigned during

00:41:11.580 a surgery.

00:41:12.420 It's not

00:41:12.880 assigned.

00:41:13.880 It can't

00:41:14.580 be reassigned

00:41:15.640 if it's

00:41:16.040 never been

00:41:16.480 assigned.

00:41:18.440 Surgicals 1.00

00:41:19.140 or procedures

00:41:19.720 that remove

00:41:21.600 or conceal

00:41:23.200 the outward

00:41:24.080 appearance of

00:41:24.880 a woman or

00:41:25.460 man's

00:41:25.960 reproductive

00:41:26.460 organs

00:41:27.080 should be

00:41:28.540 called what

00:41:29.240 we've always

00:41:30.140 called them

00:41:30.680 in the past

00:41:31.340 genital

00:41:31.980 mutilation

00:41:32.740 or amputation.

00:41:37.560 This one

00:41:38.300 I am so

00:41:39.040 sick of.

00:41:41.360 It is so

00:41:42.460 important.

00:41:43.400 It is so

00:41:43.980 important.

00:41:45.020 And I used

00:41:45.480 to mock

00:41:46.020 these people

00:41:46.460 and I go

00:41:46.860 I know

00:41:47.300 I know

00:41:47.660 I know

00:41:48.100 but I want

00:41:49.440 you to listen

00:41:49.820 to what the

00:41:50.140 Federalists

00:41:50.580 wrote about

00:41:51.080 this next

00:41:51.580 one.

00:41:52.740 Stop

00:41:53.240 using the

00:41:54.320 word

00:41:54.720 democracy.

00:41:56.620 It's a

00:41:57.260 republic.

00:41:58.960 And they

00:41:59.360 go into

00:42:00.080 what Plato

00:42:01.760 wrote about

00:42:02.520 and I

00:42:03.040 completely

00:42:03.920 forgot about

00:42:04.800 this.

00:42:05.260 When's the

00:42:05.520 last time

00:42:06.100 you you

00:42:06.860 read

00:42:07.300 Plato

00:42:09.840 the

00:42:12.680 republic.

00:42:13.380 I need

00:42:15.160 to reread

00:42:15.680 or reread

00:42:16.220 it because

00:42:16.820 listen to

00:42:17.440 the way

00:42:17.960 Plato in

00:42:18.880 the republic

00:42:19.540 lists

00:42:20.440 democracy.

00:42:21.140 he says

00:42:23.420 democracy

00:42:24.620 is the

00:42:25.420 social

00:42:25.860 structure

00:42:26.500 directly

00:42:27.580 followed

00:42:28.260 by

00:42:28.620 tyranny.

00:42:30.660 Democracy

00:42:31.260 according to

00:42:32.040 Plato

00:42:32.320 comes into

00:42:33.400 being when

00:42:34.180 the poor

00:42:34.860 winning the

00:42:35.860 victory

00:42:36.320 put to

00:42:37.340 death

00:42:37.720 some of

00:42:38.360 the other

00:42:38.860 party

00:42:39.420 drive out

00:42:40.320 others

00:42:40.720 and grant

00:42:41.600 the rest

00:42:42.120 of the

00:42:42.420 citizens

00:42:42.900 an equal

00:42:43.520 share in

00:42:44.240 both

00:42:44.480 citizenship

00:42:45.060 and offices.

00:42:46.100 that is

00:42:47.880 the

00:42:48.100 constitution

00:42:48.800 of

00:42:49.140 democracy

00:42:49.800 alike

00:42:50.420 whether

00:42:50.820 it is

00:42:51.220 established

00:42:51.680 by force

00:42:52.500 of arms

00:42:53.080 or by

00:42:53.660 terrorism.

00:42:55.340 We have

00:42:55.940 a

00:42:56.120 constitutional

00:42:56.760 republic.

00:42:57.780 The

00:42:57.920 highest

00:42:58.360 law of

00:42:58.940 the land

00:42:59.360 is the

00:42:59.700 U.S.

00:43:00.060 constitution

00:43:00.560 to which

00:43:01.120 all

00:43:01.620 public

00:43:02.120 servants

00:43:02.720 are or

00:43:03.500 should be

00:43:03.960 held

00:43:04.220 accountable.

00:43:05.280 The

00:43:05.580 American

00:43:05.940 system

00:43:06.440 is a

00:43:06.960 federal

00:43:07.260 republic

00:43:07.760 meaning

00:43:08.100 the

00:43:08.320 power

00:43:08.620 is

00:43:08.880 divided

00:43:09.200 between

00:43:09.600 the

00:43:09.840 federal

00:43:10.140 state

00:43:10.560 and

00:43:10.800 local

00:43:11.160 governments

00:43:11.640 all

00:43:12.240 of

00:43:12.440 whom

00:43:12.820 serve

00:43:14.060 as

00:43:14.400 the

00:43:14.600 guarantors

00:43:15.360 of

00:43:15.900 the

00:43:16.100 people's

00:43:16.720 sovereignty

00:43:17.280 and

00:43:17.900 rights.

00:43:18.560 We

00:43:18.780 are

00:43:19.180 the

00:43:19.440 king.

00:43:20.500 We

00:43:20.720 are

00:43:20.940 the

00:43:21.100 king.

00:43:21.760 They

00:43:22.360 are

00:43:22.540 there

00:43:22.820 to

00:43:23.180 protect

00:43:23.660 us

00:43:24.460 and

00:43:25.140 our

00:43:25.460 rights

00:43:25.980 not

00:43:26.480 the

00:43:26.700 other

00:43:26.900 way

00:43:27.140 around.

00:43:29.600 I

00:43:30.240 want

00:43:30.440 you to

00:43:30.680 read

00:43:30.860 this

00:43:31.080 article

00:43:31.380 because

00:43:31.600 I

00:43:31.800 think

00:43:32.620 it

00:43:32.780 is

00:43:32.940 really

00:43:33.600 really

00:43:34.320 well

00:43:35.800 thought

00:43:36.180 out

00:43:36.580 and

00:43:38.240 if

00:43:39.160 we're

00:43:39.320 going

00:43:39.540 to be

00:43:39.800 in

00:43:39.920 the

00:43:40.060 fight

00:43:40.400 there

00:43:40.780 are

00:43:41.000 things

00:43:41.380 that

00:43:41.580 we

00:43:41.740 do

00:43:42.000 have

00:43:42.320 to

00:43:42.480 do

00:43:42.760 and

00:43:44.620 being

00:43:46.320 accurate

00:43:46.960 with

00:43:47.400 our

00:43:47.560 language

00:43:47.820 look

00:43:48.180 at

00:43:48.320 how

00:43:48.640 much

00:43:49.220 they

00:43:49.460 are

00:43:49.680 bullying

00:43:50.020 people

00:43:50.460 for

00:43:50.720 language

00:43:51.240 it

00:43:51.940 clearly

00:43:52.520 is

00:43:53.160 important

00:43:53.760 so

00:43:56.000 why

00:43:56.300 aren't

00:43:56.560 we

00:43:56.780 fighting

00:43:57.120 back

00:43:57.480 on

00:43:57.660 that

00:43:57.920 we

00:44:01.880 lose

00:44:02.360 if

00:44:02.620 we

00:44:02.800 say

00:44:03.120 gender

00:44:03.580 when

00:44:04.180 we

00:44:04.360 actually

00:44:04.700 mean

00:44:05.100 sex

00:44:05.800 we

00:44:07.600 lose

00:44:08.000 when

00:44:08.200 we

00:44:08.360 say

00:44:08.620 sexual

00:44:09.100 reassignment

00:44:09.680 surgery

00:44:10.220 instead

00:44:11.900 of

00:44:12.120 mutilation

00:44:12.720 or

00:44:13.660 amputation

00:44:14.300 we

00:44:15.520 lose

00:44:16.060 when

00:44:16.480 we

00:44:16.760 say

00:44:17.160 democracy

00:44:17.980 because

00:44:18.780 that's

00:44:19.260 what

00:44:19.420 the

00:44:19.620 left

00:44:19.920 is

00:44:20.220 using

00:44:20.500 and

00:44:20.760 they

00:44:20.940 know

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The Glenn Beck Program - April 20, 2021

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