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00:00:30.100 Today on the podcast, we hear from you on what you thought about the interview with President Trump,

00:00:34.600 and if you missed it, we play some of the highlights, some of the shocking things that he said.

00:00:38.400 Also, Andrew Klavan, a good friend of the program, tries to talk down to me just a little bit,

00:00:42.600 because, well, he's smarter than I am.

00:00:45.240 And the one and only Tonya Beck, my wife, usually not wowed by anything.

00:00:51.000 Sarah wanted to know, what did she think about the White House tour and visiting the White House

00:00:55.600 with President Trump and the history stuff he talked about?

00:00:58.100 Yesterday, we got her on the phone as well.

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00:03:02.320 Sarah said to me in the break, she said, I'm more interested in what your wife has to think about it. 1.00

00:03:22.180 And I'm like, I mean, I'm the broadcaster of the family.

00:03:26.120 Yeah, but she is not a huge history nerd like you are, and she's not impressed by anything.

00:03:31.240 So I figured she might be impressed about this trip.

00:03:34.140 Yeah.

00:03:34.720 You know, so that is so Tanya, in a nutshell.

00:03:37.660 She is, she's not, she's been invited to, I've gone to the White House maybe three times.

00:03:42.440 I take my kids every time, because she's like, no, I'd rather, I don't want to go.

00:03:46.640 I mean, what are we going to do?

00:03:48.080 We're going to get all dressed up and go someplace.

00:03:49.500 And I'm like, honey, it's the White House.

00:03:51.640 And she's like, yeah, whatever.

00:03:52.500 So she's, she, first time she went to Mar-a-Lago was just a couple months ago.

00:03:57.580 This was her first time at the White House.

00:04:00.580 And I know she had an amazing day, but I, you're right.

00:04:06.820 I would like to hear what she has to say about all the history stuff.

00:04:10.540 Unfortunately, she said no.

00:04:12.360 Oh, did she say no?

00:04:14.000 She won't come on the air? 0.98

00:04:15.240 She won't come on the air.

00:04:16.400 Oh, call her back up. 1.00

00:04:17.740 Call her back up right now. 1.00

00:04:18.640 Call her back up. 1.00

00:04:19.740 I'll do it.

00:04:20.280 I like my job.

00:04:21.220 I'm not going to.

00:04:22.480 You work for me, not for her. 0.90

00:04:23.940 Oh, I don't know if that's true.

00:04:25.140 She's more important for sure.

00:04:26.900 There's no doubt.

00:04:27.340 Call her up. 0.94

00:04:27.660 She said no.

00:04:28.620 Just call her up. 1.00

00:04:30.500 No means no, Glenn.

00:04:32.520 I'm calling her.

00:04:33.380 I'm calling her on my, I'm going to FaceTime her right now.

00:04:35.700 This is a, this is a good idea.

00:04:37.700 I'm going to FaceTime her right now.

00:04:39.280 Why? 1.00

00:04:39.760 Why is it so dumb? 0.98

00:04:41.100 I mean, I'm just saying she, she has expressed what her will is. 0.99

00:04:46.560 And you are seemingly harassing her.

00:04:50.560 I'm not harassing her.

00:04:51.380 She's at home right now.

00:04:52.480 She's at home.

00:04:53.180 I, I, I, I can track, I can track her.

00:04:55.300 Oh, I'm tracking her.

00:04:56.060 You can track.

00:04:56.860 I can track her.

00:04:58.180 There's a lot being uncovered right now.

00:04:59.820 There is.

00:05:00.280 We're learning a lot about this relationship.

00:05:02.500 Did she just block me?

00:05:02.840 Is that, no.

00:05:03.420 Here we go.

00:05:03.880 Here we go.

00:05:04.580 Oh, yeah.

00:05:04.900 Oh, I wish you, I wish you blocked him.

00:05:06.480 That would have been the best.

00:05:09.160 She blocked me. 0.59

00:05:12.080 Oh, I'm calling again.

00:05:14.220 You're just kidding.

00:05:14.900 I just said, she's listening and she's blocking me.

00:05:17.600 Yeah, because she doesn't want to come on. 0.66

00:05:19.360 She said specifically no.

00:05:21.740 She just did it again. 1.00

00:05:23.160 Because she's not interested in you or what you want. 0.98

00:05:26.160 She's with her boyfriend.

00:05:28.080 She's with Manuel, the pew pool boy.

00:05:30.300 Yeah.

00:05:30.440 We don't need, I didn't even know we had a pool boy, but that's who she's with.

00:05:35.040 Unbelievable.

00:05:35.760 Oh, I'm calling you.

00:05:36.860 I am calling you.

00:05:37.760 When you least expect it, honey.

00:05:39.980 Expect it.

00:05:40.520 I'll call you.

00:05:42.440 What, can you describe how she felt about this?

00:05:44.280 Was it different than previous?

00:05:45.800 I mean, you've been.

00:05:46.360 No, no, no.

00:05:46.860 Because I didn't even think of that.

00:05:48.080 I didn't even think about that.

00:05:48.660 You didn't think about your wife's feelings.

00:05:50.000 No wonder she said she's blocking you.

00:05:51.960 I didn't think about it at all.

00:05:53.100 No.

00:05:53.520 I mean, we were with each other and I knew she had a great time and we talked about it,

00:05:57.040 but I didn't ask her like, what'd you think of the history part?

00:05:59.900 You know, it's like, Sarah said she's not into that.

00:06:03.180 You know, she is like, we are polar opposites.

00:06:05.600 And so it's the reason why we have such a great marriage.

00:06:08.520 Because if we were the same, we destroy each other.

00:06:12.660 It would be bad.

00:06:15.060 It would be bad.

00:06:17.020 And so we get along because she's just not interested in a lot of this stuff.

00:06:21.860 She's not interested in politics and she's not impressed by anything.

00:06:26.700 And I love her for that.

00:06:28.040 She's the one that's kept me grounded.

00:06:29.760 Because she's like, oh, really, Big Shot? 0.95

00:06:31.620 Oh, yeah, that's really cool.

00:06:33.220 And I'm like, well, I thought it was.

00:06:34.940 This is you being grounded?

00:06:36.000 She's the one that's kept me grounded.

00:06:39.480 Wow.

00:06:40.400 I guess I'm sure she had a positive influence.

00:06:42.360 I wouldn't describe you that way.

00:06:43.340 Let's go to Chris in Texas.

00:06:45.260 Maybe I'll find a friend there.

00:06:46.640 Hi, Chris.

00:06:48.340 Hey, thanks for taking my call.

00:06:50.000 You bet.

00:06:50.240 I appreciate those marriage tips from him.

00:06:56.400 Hey, I wanted to say a great job on the interview last night.

00:07:00.760 You know, getting President Trump unfiltered and kind of unbiased.

00:07:05.200 I was listening with my 10-year-old at dinner last night.

00:07:08.180 And it's really tough to get quality, truthful sources, especially for the kids, right?

00:07:14.120 And so it's great to kind of see him in that, where you were kind of not guiding him, but

00:07:19.440 letting him be himself.

00:07:20.840 And to me, it kind of equated to during the campaign, the Joe Rogan moment, you know,

00:07:25.880 where he did the interview for a couple hours, the first time people really saw him.

00:07:29.200 Like, that's kind of what I thought about last night.

00:07:30.700 It's like, man, I've been waiting for an update for two or three months.

00:07:32.720 Now I'm finally seeing it, you know?

00:07:34.760 Wow, good.

00:07:35.440 I'm glad you got that.

00:07:36.140 You know, when you're doing it, you have absolutely no idea.

00:07:38.780 And even I'm watching it this morning, and I was like, I don't know if that, I don't

00:07:43.280 know what worked.

00:07:43.860 I don't know what didn't work.

00:07:44.780 I don't know what people got out of it.

00:07:46.080 So I'm glad to hear that.

00:07:46.960 Thank you.

00:07:47.820 Appreciate it, Chris.

00:07:49.140 Let me go to Laura in Florida. 0.58

00:07:50.980 Hello, Laura.

00:07:52.900 Hello, Glenn.

00:07:54.540 It was really excellent.

00:07:57.420 I've been able to watch all of his interviews with all these different anchors and people,

00:08:03.880 and maybe missed a couple.

00:08:05.660 The nature of my professional life has made that possible.

00:08:08.560 I was so struck by your command of the situation.

00:08:12.840 And I'm telling you, Trump trusts you.

00:08:15.080 And I think that's why it went so well.

00:08:18.180 Your questions were spot on.

00:08:20.560 There were pauses where no one was trying to talk over or interrupt him.

00:08:24.800 You found the moments.

00:08:25.960 It was just a flow that I just had not seen yet.

00:08:28.740 I loved it.

00:08:29.320 I thought it was most excellent.

00:08:31.880 And as you were saying earlier in the program, it really shows us who Donald Trump really

00:08:37.500 is.

00:08:38.780 And it told me a lot about you, too.

00:08:40.760 So I want to thank you for that.

00:08:41.920 It was really, really excellent.

00:08:43.680 Well, great.

00:08:44.160 Thank you, Laura.

00:08:44.960 I tell you, I wish.

00:08:47.320 I'm going to go back and ask him if he'd do something different with me at the White House.

00:08:54.800 Next time I go, I'm going to see if I can get some different kind of interview.

00:08:58.080 Because you really didn't see the best parts of him.

00:09:01.580 You really didn't.

00:09:02.660 I was allowed to.

00:09:04.720 And his staff even said, they said, as he was leaving, his staff said, he's not like

00:09:12.900 this with other people.

00:09:14.080 She said, he's like a kid in a candy store with you.

00:09:17.100 He's like all about history and just like, look at this, look at this.

00:09:20.480 Because he was taking me.

00:09:21.280 I mean, he was literally almost like dragging me into places like, come on, come on, come

00:09:24.500 here.

00:09:24.640 I got to show you this.

00:09:25.280 It was so amazing to see how excited he was about the history of our country and preservation

00:09:33.400 of our history.

00:09:35.100 He was just remarkable.

00:09:37.240 Just remarkable.

00:09:37.900 I wish I could show that part of him to you.

00:09:39.840 Pam in Texas.

00:09:41.040 Hi.

00:09:42.640 Hi.

00:09:43.340 How are y'all doing this morning?

00:09:44.520 I am good.

00:09:45.200 How are you, Pam?

00:09:46.080 I'm good.

00:09:47.960 I totally agree with the last caller, Laura.

00:09:52.020 I thought it was one of the best interviews I've seen.

00:09:54.940 And I've caught every one of them.

00:09:56.700 He was, he was, he was different with you.

00:10:00.100 He was relaxed and he was, I can't really put my finger on it, but he just seemed to

00:10:06.420 enjoy it, relish it.

00:10:09.760 And I really thought it was one of the best interviews I've ever seen of anybody.

00:10:15.000 Wow.

00:10:15.600 Wow.

00:10:16.000 Thank you.

00:10:16.680 Yeah.

00:10:16.940 I appreciate it.

00:10:17.680 Thank you.

00:10:17.880 You're welcome.

00:10:18.260 I appreciate y'all doing that.

00:10:20.180 And I have love, I can't wait for the next one.

00:10:22.960 Yeah.

00:10:23.280 Thank you very much.

00:10:24.460 I, I, uh, it was, um, it's so odd because I can't judge it.

00:10:30.500 It's so odd.

00:10:31.840 I don't see, did you see, did you feel it was different than other interviews that you've

00:10:35.980 seen with him?

00:10:37.400 Are you sensing that?

00:10:38.500 Cause I just didn't.

00:10:39.180 It didn't, it didn't, it did, it did feel more relaxed.

00:10:42.520 It felt more conversational.

00:10:44.140 It didn't feel like he was, you know, trying to get some agenda through.

00:10:48.000 I think he was legitimately trying to answer your questions and bring you through his thought

00:10:51.920 process.

00:10:52.460 He did stop a couple of times that shocked me.

00:10:54.320 I was like, I'm not prepared for you to stop.

00:10:56.540 You know what I mean?

00:10:57.320 Cause he, he can talk and talk and talk and talk and talk.

00:11:00.400 Oh yeah.

00:11:00.880 You know what I mean?

00:11:01.320 And, uh, he answered a few questions like, okay, go ahead, come, come back at me, which

00:11:07.960 I thought was interesting was the first time I think I've seen that with him.

00:11:12.460 Uh, so maybe that was different.

00:11:14.020 Uh, Melanie in Florida.

00:11:15.600 Hi, Melanie.

00:11:16.840 Y'all know how to make our day by making us laugh.

00:11:19.880 And you seem pretty real too.

00:11:21.540 And I sure did enjoy it that you address the tyrannical judicial insurrection.

00:11:27.680 That was one of my main concerns.

00:11:29.760 And you showed us that he is totally aware of it and he knows his options and he just

00:11:34.980 seemed in control of it.

00:11:36.380 And I really appreciated that because that was one of the worst things that I was fearing.

00:11:41.520 Nothing was going to be done about that.

00:11:43.440 So I want to thank you.

00:11:44.860 Did a really good job.

00:11:46.040 Thank you.

00:11:46.480 You know, we were up in the, um, the Lincoln bedroom and we were talking about Lincoln

00:11:51.720 and, uh, and he, he looked at me at one point and he said, you know, you said that you

00:11:57.620 don't like Jackson.

00:11:58.440 Well, why don't you like Andrew Jackson?

00:12:01.080 And I said, well, you know, trail of tears was not real good.

00:12:04.340 And he went, okay, good point.

00:12:05.700 Good point. 0.97

00:12:06.260 And I said, and he was corrupt.

00:12:08.080 You know, he would, he would tell his friends, Hey, by the way, I'm going to be seizing this

00:12:13.940 Indian land and, uh, be auctioning off, you know, first come first serve. 0.99

00:12:18.860 Maybe you should get down there.

00:12:20.060 You know, it's going to happen tomorrow.

00:12:21.400 So he was enriching his friends. 1.00

00:12:23.420 I said, so he's corrupt and dirty. 0.98

00:12:25.660 And he said, but the judicial part you were okay with. 0.98

00:12:29.540 And I said, oh yeah, with what he did with the judges, absolutely fine.

00:12:34.040 It's constitutional.

00:12:35.360 Yes.

00:12:36.200 I'm fine with that.

00:12:37.580 And he's like, yeah, that's the part that I really like.

00:12:39.860 So he has been thinking about what do we do with these judges?

00:12:43.900 And he's not going to, I didn't get the impression he's going there first.

00:12:47.760 He's going to ride it out and try to work the system as long as he can.

00:12:51.080 And then if they just won't, if they just keep doing this, he's going to draw a line and

00:12:56.000 he has the right constitutionally to do it.

00:12:58.120 When, when you have somebody like Mike Lee, who is the least radical of anybody, uh, I

00:13:04.460 mean, I'm surprised the guy doesn't have a flat top haircut.

00:13:07.080 You know what I mean?

00:13:07.620 He's like, Mr.

00:13:08.580 Leave it to Beaver, 1950s.

00:13:10.420 He's so clean cut.

00:13:12.140 Um, but when he says this is judicial insurrection, uh, you can pretty much bank on that, that it

00:13:20.160 would have constitutional, uh, weight behind it if he acted that way.

00:13:25.120 And I was, I was pleased to see that he has really thought deeply about it and constitutionally

00:13:32.380 about it as well.

00:13:33.540 Let me go to a bill.

00:13:35.100 Hi, Bill.

00:13:35.840 Welcome.

00:13:37.080 Hey, hi, Glenn.

00:13:38.760 Uh, I've got a little bit different take on your interview with the president yesterday.

00:13:44.220 Uh, I thought even I'll start at the beginning where you did.

00:13:48.300 You spent the first five to seven minutes talking when you could have been asking the president

00:13:54.720 questions.

00:13:56.100 Okay.

00:13:56.580 Hold on just a second.

00:13:57.420 Let me, let me, let me take these one by one here.

00:13:59.760 Um, okay.

00:14:00.900 If you've ever interviewed a president where, you know, you're going to ask tough questions,

00:14:05.560 you, and you were on, you had told them that this was about the hundred days and the accomplishments

00:14:12.040 that the administration has made.

00:14:13.640 You better start with the accomplishments that the administration has made, uh, and, and give

00:14:20.060 them a little candy before you sour things up.

00:14:24.020 So that's the reason why I did spend about three, four minutes there at the beginning,

00:14:27.500 making it very easy, but go ahead.

00:14:30.640 All right.

00:14:30.880 And another part of it was Donald Trump kept going back to, Oh, 2016.

00:14:37.180 We had the greatest economy ever.

00:14:40.040 And I walked away with it thinking I didn't learn anything that I previously didn't know.

00:14:49.580 And in addition, one of the biggies is the debt bomb, which he kind of danced around, but

00:14:58.160 nothing.

00:14:58.880 And you briefly mentioned it with, Hey, you started with 2 trillion, but you ended up with

00:15:05.520 150 billion in cuts.

00:15:10.360 You're right.

00:15:11.100 I didn't push him on that.

00:15:12.020 I wish I would have, I didn't push him on that.

00:15:14.760 Okay.

00:15:15.400 That, and the, the, the other one was the Pam Bondi deal in the justice department. 0.92

00:15:20.720 So let's use the Tesla's with, it was supposed to be an act of terrorism.

00:15:27.060 We have somebody who apparently, wait, wait, wait, she is going after the Tesla people that 1.00

00:15:32.600 that they are going after.

00:15:33.920 I don't have a problem with what she's doing.

00:15:35.220 The Tesla.

00:15:35.900 I'm worried about some of the other things that she has been ignoring, but tell me where,

00:15:40.840 I mean, she has been going on against the Tesla.

00:15:43.040 Where is she dropping the ball on that? 1.00

00:15:44.440 Well, let's start with the JFK special when she announced that, Hey, here's what we're

00:15:51.980 going to do.

00:15:52.820 This is going to be a bombshell.

00:15:54.700 It's going to be this and, and, and nothing happened.

00:15:58.120 Okay.

00:15:58.500 So we haven't heard anything since then.

00:16:01.140 So let me, I did explain the Pam Bondi thing.

00:16:04.180 And the reason why I let him skate on that is because, uh, I have information from people

00:16:09.880 who are around those individuals, um, that I pushed before the interview, they were not

00:16:16.620 connected to the white house and I pushed them, uh, beforehand.

00:16:20.080 And I said, look, I am really concerned.

00:16:22.400 My audience is very concerned.

00:16:23.820 If people start, don't start to go to jail for things that are legitimate, legitimately

00:16:29.020 jail worthy.

00:16:30.280 If they're not prosecuted, my audience is really going to be upset.

00:16:34.200 And I am too.

00:16:35.860 Nothing will change if we don't clean this system up.

00:16:38.840 And both in separate situations, both of them said, you don't understand Congress and

00:16:46.460 it's the rhinos.

00:16:47.620 Congress is holding back some of the people that they need as second and third ranks that

00:16:54.120 have to be confirmed.

00:16:55.360 And the Congress is saying, you know, like we gave you everybody you wanted.

00:16:58.940 You can wait.

00:16:59.880 We'll take our time on the rest of them.

00:17:01.540 And they're holding them up until possibly even August.

00:17:04.820 Um, and that's, that's, you can't do that.

00:17:08.260 And so it's Congress.

00:17:09.780 And so I was stuck in this trap with him of pushing him into a place to where if that

00:17:18.380 is the answer, he wasn't going to give me the answer because he was, he was negotiating

00:17:24.000 with Congress, I believe on the big, beautiful bill.

00:17:27.520 So the only answer I was going to get from him was it's not Congress.

00:17:32.400 It's, that's not what it is.

00:17:33.680 And, and so what he gave me and I accepted because of the additional information I had,

00:17:39.400 I accepted, uh, he said, it's early, let them work.

00:17:45.420 It's early.

00:17:46.500 What I interpreted that was, yeah.

00:17:49.120 What I interpreted that as is they've got things they have to do first.

00:17:54.740 Uh, and I will come back to him, you know, you know, if I talk to him again, we have

00:17:59.920 another sit down by the end of the year, I will come back to him if nothing has changed

00:18:03.560 and said, okay, it's not early anymore.

00:18:06.260 We've waited.

00:18:07.000 What's happening.

00:18:07.960 And Bill, it's just to summarize what you're saying here.

00:18:09.800 You're saying Glenn was a miserable failure during the interview.

00:18:11.880 Is that correct?

00:18:12.700 No, that's not what I was.

00:18:14.900 See, thank you, Bill.

00:18:16.840 You are a genius.

00:18:18.480 You're a genius.

00:18:19.280 Bill, thank you very much.

00:18:20.540 I hope that answered your question.

00:18:22.320 Did that help you?

00:18:23.180 Yeah, it did.

00:18:24.420 Yes, it did.

00:18:25.060 All right.

00:18:25.440 Thanks guys.

00:18:26.020 Thank you.

00:18:26.380 I appreciate it.

00:18:28.380 Here you are.

00:18:29.360 You are here.

00:18:30.260 And that alone is a true miracle.

00:18:33.000 In Psalms, it tells us that, uh, God knit us together while we were in our mother's womb.

00:18:38.720 He saw you before you took your first breath before the world knew your name.

00:18:43.000 He knew your purpose.

00:18:44.040 You may have planned, uh, you may have been planned by your mom and your dad or not.

00:18:50.260 I don't know, but you were never an accident.

00:18:52.880 That's for sure.

00:18:53.520 Because life is never an accident.

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00:19:51.080 Now, back to the podcast.

00:19:52.820 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:19:55.740 Andrew Klavan, host of the Andrew Klavan Program, the Andrew Klavan Show.

00:19:59.920 How are you, sir?

00:20:00.560 I'm good.

00:20:01.100 It's good to see you.

00:20:01.720 Good to see you.

00:20:02.420 I don't think I've seen you out of your element, I don't think ever.

00:20:07.960 Yes, I've been here many times to this studio.

00:20:10.220 Have you?

00:20:10.640 Yeah, sure.

00:20:11.180 Really?

00:20:12.060 Well, they're memorable every single day.

00:20:15.360 Yeah, I get this reaction a lot.

00:20:16.840 Who are you again?

00:20:18.060 No, I just love you.

00:20:19.140 I just love you.

00:20:19.740 And you, I got to tell you, the best compliment I can give you is your son is remarkable.

00:20:24.560 He's a remarkable guy.

00:20:25.560 He is.

00:20:26.160 You know, I hope someday somebody will say that about my children to me.

00:20:29.280 Klavan 2.0.

00:20:30.140 Yeah, really remarkable.

00:20:31.560 You and your wife are amazing parents.

00:20:33.980 Oh, well, thank you.

00:20:34.780 So tell me about The Kingdom of Cain and talk down to me.

00:20:38.980 Actually, it's a really simple book and very entertaining because it's about the movies

00:20:42.700 that we all love, like the silence of the men.

00:20:44.040 Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:20:44.920 He says this.

00:20:45.600 Let me read this to you, Stuart, and see if you understand what this is.

00:20:49.280 Sure.

00:20:49.480 The Kingdom of Cain looks at three murders in history, including the first murder, Cain's

00:20:53.320 killing of his brother, Abel, and at the art created from imaginative engagement from

00:20:57.700 those horrific events by artists ranging from Dosyevsky to Hitchcock.

00:21:02.880 To make beauty out of the world as it is shot through with evil and injustice and suffering,

00:21:07.880 it is the task not just of the artists, but Klavan argues of every life rightly lived.

00:21:14.680 Examining how the transformation occurs in art grants us a vision on how it can happen in

00:21:18.920 our lives.

00:21:19.280 What's this book about?

00:21:19.980 I don't know what you're missing, but that was perfect.

00:21:24.240 I'll tell you, I'm a crime writer, right?

00:21:26.020 I write mystery and suspense.

00:21:27.200 I get this letter all the time, constantly.

00:21:29.620 It says, you call yourself a Christian, that part is true, and yet you write about horrific

00:21:34.120 things.

00:21:34.540 You write about murder.

00:21:35.400 You write about prostitutes and gangsters and all this stuff.

00:21:38.280 Why do you do that?

00:21:39.400 And the reason is very simple.

00:21:40.860 I believe that God is a central fact of reality, and I believe that any artist who speaks truthfully

00:21:46.340 about reality will speak about God.

00:21:48.740 And so what I did was I took three murders, three very famous murders, and I showed how

00:21:54.060 they inspired works of art over and over and over again.

00:21:58.480 They were not just one work of art, but they kept coming back, and those works of art inspired

00:22:02.580 other works of art.

00:22:04.160 And how those works of art actually speak about something that happens to a society when it

00:22:09.740 begins to lose its faith, as our society has certainly done.

00:22:13.680 And they chart those works of art, and some of them are just, some of them are like the 0.98

00:22:18.740 stupidest little horror movie, and yet the guy who was making that horror movie understood 0.98

00:22:23.060 what he was talking about and can show you. 1.00

00:22:25.520 If you go back, for instance, and watch a slasher movie like Halloween, which is actually

00:22:29.120 quite a good little scary movie, it actually is about the fall of the end of faith and

00:22:34.940 how that destroys sexual responsibilities.

00:22:37.980 So that it takes place in a suburb.

00:22:39.740 Wait, wait, wait.

00:22:40.740 Have you seen it?

00:22:42.400 Yeah, I've seen it.

00:22:43.300 It takes place in a suburb where there are no moms, and the dads are very weak. 0.99

00:22:46.800 And this knife-wielding crazy man comes back and basically preys on kids having sex while 0.99

00:22:52.620 nobody's watching them. 0.99

00:22:53.980 And it's a very, very stark picture.

00:22:56.580 I'll bet if you asked the director what he was doing, he would tell you that, because

00:23:00.420 it's right in the movie when you notice it, but you have to be watching for it.

00:23:04.540 And the thing is, these movies are, you know, not just movies, but novels, the arts, really

00:23:11.380 reveal the conscience of a culture.

00:23:13.980 Yes.

00:23:14.440 And so taking the way that they look at murder tells us things that are bad about our culture,

00:23:20.460 but it also tells us about ways that we want to go in the future.

00:23:24.080 The role, for instance, of psychiatrists in these films.

00:23:28.340 Most of these films are based on murder committed by Ed Gein in the 1950s, a guy in Wisconsin

00:23:33.100 who used to kill women, right, and then dress up in their bodies, just like in Silence of

00:23:38.960 the Lambs. 0.87

00:23:39.440 That inspired Psycho.

00:23:40.700 It inspired a really good horror movie called The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

00:23:45.260 Even though it's a crazy title, it's actually a good movie.

00:23:48.120 The Silence of the Lambs, all of these movies grow out of that one murder.

00:23:52.660 And what's it about?

00:23:53.340 It's about confusion, about sexual, about gender, you know?

00:23:56.200 We don't see a lot of that going around nowadays.

00:23:57.700 No, not at all.

00:23:58.600 But in fact, it's everywhere.

00:23:59.820 And these things were happening.

00:24:01.060 These movies were being made in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, and on.

00:24:06.620 And so they were predicting, as art often does, what was going to happen and explaining why.

00:24:11.200 Do you think Alfred Hitchcock knew that this was coming?

00:24:14.560 Or was he just making a good, he was a good storyteller?

00:24:17.620 If you are a good storyteller, who was it?

00:24:20.240 T.S. Eliot said, a great poet writes himself, and in writing himself, he writes his time.

00:24:25.220 And I think that that's what happens.

00:24:26.760 These artists basically bring something out of themselves.

00:24:29.220 But it reveals where we all are, and that reveals where we're going, right?

00:24:32.960 If you see where we are, you can tell where we're going.

00:24:36.200 And that's why the book does not just concentrate on the darkness.

00:24:39.800 It actually says, well, what do you do?

00:24:41.780 How do you react?

00:24:42.560 Now that we know what's happening, how do you react to those things in a creative, joyful way?

00:24:49.000 Because this is what, look, the Bible doesn't say things are going to be great, right?

00:24:52.060 The Bible says, yeah, if God comes, we crucify, and yet at the same time, it says rejoice evermore.

00:24:59.560 And so one of the things that really bothers me about Christian movies is they don't really represent life.

00:25:06.160 They're all, if you do a Christian movie that has real things in it, you get slammed. 0.91

00:25:10.960 Why would you put that in?

00:25:12.000 Why was there sex?

00:25:13.180 Why was there violence?

00:25:14.060 Why was there murder?

00:25:15.380 One of the major influences that turned me to Christ when I was 19 years old, it took three decades to kick in,

00:25:21.760 but it was reading Crime and Punishment, the great novel by Dostoevsky about an axe murder and about a prostitute who basically turns this axe murderer's life around.

00:25:31.840 If you walked into a Christian bookstore today and said, can I have that book about the axe murderer and the hooker? 0.97

00:25:37.440 You wouldn't be there. 1.00

00:25:38.580 Yeah, they would look at you like you were nuts. 0.88

00:25:40.460 But because Dostoevsky was a great artist and a great Christian, one of the truly deep and interesting Christians in history,

00:25:47.260 he revealed something about the philosophies that were rising up at that time and that are still with us today,

00:25:54.760 the philosophies that later became spoken out by Nietzsche.

00:25:58.740 And Nietzsche affected all of the leftist philosophers that you and I love so much and have done so many good things for our society.

00:26:05.900 So let's pretend somebody didn't read that by Dostoevsky or whatever his name is and tell us the story and exactly what he was teaching.

00:26:21.880 Well, the idea was that God is dead, God is gone, and therefore instead of having this horrible Christian philosophy that is nice to the poor and the weak and has charity and compassion,

00:26:34.360 we need strong special men like Napoleon, for instance, who are going to make their own law.

00:26:39.620 And this man in the story, Crime and Punishment, says, well, if I can make my own law, I can murder somebody and it won't be a sin, it won't be wrong.

00:26:50.300 And then he actually accomplishes this murder and finds, oh, wait, oh, wait, I have actually shattered the moral order and now my life is spiraling out of control.

00:27:00.160 Now, Nietzsche wrote his philosophy, which was the exact philosophy in this book, after Dostoevsky wrote the novel.

00:27:07.200 And then his philosophy inspired two murderers in America named Leopold and Loeb.

00:27:12.380 This was called the Crime of the Century, the Crime of the 20th Century.

00:27:15.520 I don't remember that.

00:27:16.240 I know, nobody remembers it now, but it was one of the biggest crimes of the century.

00:27:21.000 It inspired countless movies and television shows.

00:27:24.820 It was two kids, they were rich, gay, Jewish kids in the suburbs.

00:27:30.300 What year?

00:27:31.060 This is 19, I want to say 30 or 40, yeah.

00:27:36.940 Okay.

00:27:37.080 Yeah, it was the 30s, I'm sorry.

00:27:41.320 And they decided, well, we're supermen, like Nietzsche.

00:27:45.600 They read Nietzsche and they thought, yes, this is what we want to be, one of them.

00:27:48.900 And we're going to commit the perfect murder just to show that we can do it. 0.92

00:27:51.700 And so they just picked a kid at random who they knew and took him out and killed him. 0.97

00:27:55.400 This is Rope.

00:27:56.980 Exactly, exactly.

00:27:58.160 And Rope became the Hitchcock film and also inspired Compulsion is another movie, is almost a true movie about it.

00:28:06.280 And it just pops up again and again, two people who say we're going to commit the perfect murder because we're superior.

00:28:11.120 If you look for it, you'll find it in one story after another.

00:28:14.740 And it's based on the idea that there's no God and therefore anything is permissible and strong men have to make the rules.

00:28:19.940 That's one of the best movies of Hitchcock and nobody even knows it.

00:28:24.340 Great movie from Hitchcock and great movie with Jimmy Stewart.

00:28:27.700 I mean, just really, and disturbing.

00:28:30.280 And written, the original play was written by the guy who also wrote a play called Gaslight, which is where we get the word gaslighting.

00:28:36.560 And so I talk all about these works of art and these works of movies.

00:28:41.380 And listen, I think it's an entertaining book, Glenn.

00:28:44.860 So I will read it.

00:28:46.020 I love your work.

00:28:47.020 I love your work.

00:28:47.680 I mean, you know, most people, if you don't know who Andrew Klavan is, you've written movies.

00:28:52.120 I mean, you've written some just thrilling novels and novels that have been made into movies.

00:28:58.840 And I'm a huge, huge fan.

00:29:00.560 But, I mean, you know, you are talking to mice here.

00:29:06.040 Well, I try to just make it about things that people like and enjoy.

00:29:09.700 So what is the lesson that we learn from all of this?

00:29:16.920 Well, I think the most important lesson, if I can call it that in the book, is that beauty has something to do with the answer to evil.

00:29:26.160 Well, you know, one of the things that keeps people from believing in God, they say there's so much evil in the world.

00:29:31.440 How can a good God allow this evil to exist?

00:29:36.160 And at the end of the book, the last third of the book, which is a very personal statement about what I do to basically live joyfully in a world that I can see as evil,

00:29:44.900 it ends with looking at the Pieta, the statue by Michelangelo, that is one of the most beautiful works of sculpture.

00:29:51.600 Beautiful.

00:29:51.900 It's beautiful.

00:29:52.320 But think about what it's about, Glenn.

00:29:53.780 It's about a mother with her dead son.

00:29:57.020 It is about a world with a dead God.

00:29:59.200 It is the worst moment in human history.

00:30:01.900 And yet, Michelangelo, a man, made it beautiful.

00:30:05.580 And my question at the end of the book is, if a man can take that misery, that suffering, that evil, and turn it into beauty,

00:30:12.360 what can God do with the world that we're living in now when he works in the marble of eternity?

00:30:17.880 And so I work my way to that point by going through the movies that we watch and the stories that we read and why we're so fascinated with murder.

00:30:27.300 You know, think about true crime.

00:30:28.560 This is what this is about.

00:30:29.400 It's about true crime.

00:30:30.040 Why are we?

00:30:30.740 Because it is the borderline where you cannot say there's something right about this.

00:30:35.980 It's the place where we suddenly realize that the moral order has its gray points, but it also has a very stark black line.

00:30:43.880 So explain to me why shows like, let's say, Yellowstone are so satisfying because you're kind of like seeing that guy take into the train station.

00:31:00.400 You know what I mean?

00:31:01.160 Yep.

00:31:01.320 You know that it's wrong, but you're kind of in there.

00:31:04.720 You know what I mean?

00:31:05.160 You're kind of like, meh.

00:31:07.000 You know?

00:31:07.580 And you feel, at least I do.

00:31:09.340 I mean, I'm sure a lot of people watch and they're like, ah, that's fine.

00:31:12.320 I watch and I'm like, I don't like the fact that I kind of, I'm rooting for them.

00:31:15.900 That's, I think the best art does that to you.

00:31:18.000 It makes you think like, yeah, I'm really enjoying this, but that actually tells me something about myself that now I have to go and think about.

00:31:23.020 Right.

00:31:23.160 And that's what art, see, a lot of people think that art is like a sugar pill that they use to give you a little lesson in life, a little parable sort of.

00:31:30.300 But I don't think that's what it is at all.

00:31:32.180 I think it's an experience that you really can't have in your life that broadens the way you look at life, broadens your view of humanity.

00:31:40.080 And so when you get Christian stories like God is not dead, I don't want to pick on anybody, but still, you get these guys.

00:31:45.120 You're going to pick on them.

00:31:45.800 I'll pick on them.

00:31:47.020 The guy is hit by a car and everybody says, well, at least he was saved.

00:31:50.920 And I think, really, we can't just say, we can't call his wife first and say this is a sad moment, you know, that we grieve when people die.

00:31:59.620 And like, we can't say we're horrified by death and afraid, you know.

00:32:03.160 So I want Christian art that deals with life in a real way that shows people are afraid and people have evil thoughts and people want to justify murder.

00:32:12.760 And there are moments when we all sort of think, look, if you go off into a room by yourself and ask, how can I make the perfect world?

00:32:20.480 Within two minutes, so help me, you will be committing mass murder in your mind.

00:32:24.160 And we say, well, first I got rid of these people because these people can't be reformed. 0.96

00:32:28.180 You will wipe them out, right?

00:32:29.420 And so that's who we all are.

00:32:31.380 And when we start to see that, I believe that that's actually a layer on top of who we really are.

00:32:38.480 I believe who we really are is who Christ wants us to be, this loving person.

00:32:42.640 And so that's the question.

00:32:44.080 How do you get through that layer?

00:32:45.540 And so that's what artists do for us.

00:32:47.480 They show us our true selves and they lead our conscience to the place that it's supposed to go.

00:32:53.100 Our natural soul is who Christ wants us to be.

00:32:59.360 And then we're encapsulated in this flesh and the natural man is an enemy to that.

00:33:04.560 That's right.

00:33:04.900 And it's the battle back and forth.

00:33:07.480 And that's what art is, right?

00:33:09.500 That battle.

00:33:10.400 That's where drama comes from.

00:33:11.940 That's where tragedy comes from.

00:33:13.480 You know, one of the stories I mentioned in the Kingdom of Cain is Macbeth because it's such a great story about murder.

00:33:21.100 And it ends with the most beautiful speech about nihilism, about things, nothing makes sense, nothing is worth anything, right? 1.00

00:33:27.360 Life is a tale told by an idiot. 0.99

00:33:29.100 But because you're watching the play, you understand that Shakespeare's not saying that. 1.00

00:33:32.600 A guy who has detached himself from the moral order is saying that.

00:33:35.500 He's lost the meaning of life because he's detached himself from the meaning of life.

00:33:38.860 And so studying murder and writing art about murder takes you to the most serious questions about who we are and who we really are and what we really want and how we, you know, we, that inner battle that goes on, which is, to me, the source of drama.

00:33:53.260 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck podcast.

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00:34:00.860 Hi, Tonya.

00:34:04.640 Hi.

00:34:06.360 Hello.

00:34:08.100 How are you, honey?

00:34:10.060 Oh, great.

00:34:10.940 Yeah, I know.

00:34:11.780 Excited to be on, Tonya?

00:34:13.420 I'm so excited.

00:34:14.620 I can't even tell you.

00:34:16.740 She's impressed with showbiz.

00:34:18.360 I was waiting for it.

00:34:19.400 I was waiting for the call, quite honestly.

00:34:21.080 I was like, why haven't they called me yet?

00:34:22.200 Yeah.

00:34:23.620 So, uh, Sarah said she's less interested in hearing me talk about the experience of the White House and wants to hear more about you.

00:34:32.040 Now, remember, you are, you did sign a nondisclosure on some parts.

00:34:36.300 Yeah.

00:34:37.160 But, uh, what, what was your whole, Sarah, what was it you wanted?

00:34:42.340 Well, I've known, Tanya, I love you dearly.

00:34:45.600 Don't take this out on me.

00:34:47.400 Um, but I've worked with Glenn for 20 years.

00:34:49.900 He's talked about you so much and how you're never impressed with anything.

00:34:52.920 And he's like a kid in a candy store with that sort of stuff.

00:34:55.660 So I was just wondering how you considered it.

00:34:58.620 Was it impressive at all?

00:35:00.060 Was it something that you...

00:35:02.180 Oh, my gosh.

00:35:03.820 Yeah, it was unbelievable.

00:35:07.680 Just being in the Oval Office was amazing.

00:35:11.800 I've never been in the office before.

00:35:13.840 And so that was just walking in there was so humbling.

00:35:16.780 And, you know, just had to keep pinching myself because I couldn't really believe I was there.

00:35:21.680 And then getting the tour after the interview was phenomenal.

00:35:25.820 I think the last time I was there was in a high school trip.

00:35:29.880 And we actually could go into the White House at that point and didn't see very much.

00:35:33.580 But what we saw yesterday was phenomenal.

00:35:37.000 What did you think of him?

00:35:39.120 Oh, he's great.

00:35:40.260 I mean, he's a normal, regular guy.

00:35:42.620 You know, he's very intimidating at first when you meet him, but he just makes you feel comfortable.

00:35:48.140 How do you mean he's intimidating when you first meet him?

00:35:50.480 What does that mean?

00:35:50.920 Well, he's the president of the United States, for heaven's sake.

00:35:53.540 I mean, my gosh, yeah.

00:35:54.800 Like, it's a huge responsibility.

00:35:57.060 No, I know.

00:35:57.820 I know.

00:35:58.420 You know, that's why he says...

00:35:59.940 He'll say to me from time to time...

00:36:00.960 But I could totally see him as a grandpa.

00:36:01.880 He'll say to me from time to time, he'll be like, why didn't you call me?

00:36:04.780 And I'm like, because you're the president of the United States.

00:36:08.540 You don't just call him.

00:36:09.600 Hey, Don, what are you doing?

00:36:11.180 You know, that's like...

00:36:12.660 Yeah, right.

00:36:13.380 You know.

00:36:14.620 Yeah.

00:36:14.820 Oh, I get that.

00:36:15.360 What did you think of the history that he...

00:36:17.140 I mean, and his grasp of his history?

00:36:19.880 Yeah, he knows his stuff.

00:36:23.180 It's clear.

00:36:24.620 Pretty amazing.

00:36:25.660 He studied, and he knows, yeah, the history, the presidents, you know, what they did, the kind of people they were.

00:36:32.540 Yeah, really amazing.

00:36:33.480 Did you sense any hesitation on anything that we talked about on, you know, on where he was going or that you felt like, oh, it felt a little weird about that?

00:36:48.600 No.

00:36:50.060 No.

00:36:51.100 He was clear.

00:36:52.620 He was really clear on everything.

00:36:56.640 So you were impressed by where your husband took you yesterday?

00:37:00.080 I was, yeah.

00:37:00.900 It was great.

00:37:01.480 It was awesome.

00:37:01.940 Yeah.

00:37:02.740 Were you impressed by your husband or by beating Donald Trump?

00:37:05.960 You know.

00:37:08.460 Right there, close second, right behind him.

00:37:10.880 Yeah.

00:37:11.920 Right behind...

00:37:12.680 He did great.

00:37:13.920 You mean, wait.

00:37:14.300 The interview was great.

00:37:16.560 He did a great job.

00:37:17.440 Wait, who was behind who?

00:37:18.460 Was I right behind Donald Trump?

00:37:20.520 I think that's clear, Glenn.

00:37:21.920 We didn't need any clarification.

00:37:23.820 I love you, sweetheart.

00:37:25.600 I love you.

00:37:26.360 Thank you.

00:37:26.660 Hey, love you, Sarah.

00:37:27.760 Love you back.

00:37:28.660 All right.

00:37:29.280 That was nice.

00:37:29.580 I mean, I didn't get any love, but whatever.

00:37:30.960 Mom, it is.

00:37:33.620 That was good.

00:37:34.380 I mean, it's nice that you can get your wife on the phone now.

00:37:37.540 Thank you.

00:37:38.060 That's good.

00:37:38.680 Thank you.

00:37:39.120 Things are going in the right direction.

00:37:40.060 So she's the one I can still kind of get on the phone from time to time.

00:37:43.160 From time to time.

00:37:43.740 It's a good booking by you.

00:37:44.780 Yeah, thank you.

00:37:45.960 Congratulations.

00:37:46.620 Thank you.

00:37:47.300 You know, somebody called up and said that they felt that I was nervous in the interview.

00:37:53.080 I wasn't nervous at all.

00:37:54.600 I thought there was a couple.

00:37:57.560 I had that feeling a couple times.

00:37:59.920 That I was nervous?

00:38:01.600 Yeah.

00:38:02.100 Like, I don't know.

00:38:02.760 I mean, I had two different feelings, actually, about the tariffs.

00:38:06.520 Because you brought up the tariffs and you said, look, I don't like tariffs.

00:38:10.380 We've talked about that before.

00:38:12.280 And then you started going into it.

00:38:13.660 And he kind of like, he went, he started explaining why he thought they were necessary.

00:38:19.580 And you kind of like just gave ground on it.

00:38:22.700 I didn't think you really pushed it.

00:38:23.860 I brought it up three times.

00:38:24.600 You did.

00:38:25.040 But sheepishly each time, I thought.

00:38:27.600 I thought it was sheepish.

00:38:28.440 He's the president of the United States.

00:38:30.760 I had a 30-minute conversation with him on tariffs where I pushed him to the wall.

00:38:35.540 I remember that.

00:38:36.020 He's not changing.

00:38:36.940 No, he's not.

00:38:37.640 And he's the president.

00:38:38.560 And he actually, towards the end, he said, you'll like him.

00:38:42.820 In a year, we'll have another interview and you'll tell me that you like him.

00:38:45.440 And I said, I've been wrong with you before and I hope to be wrong again.

00:38:49.000 You did.

00:38:49.740 It's funny because my initial reaction was you didn't, because you kind of got into this

00:38:54.000 setup of, you know, I don't really like tariffs, but I'm trying to give you the benefit

00:38:57.740 of the doubt.

00:38:58.160 That was kind of your concept of that.

00:39:00.180 And you got in the middle of it and he kind of interrupted you and went on to a point

00:39:04.160 about why he thought tariffs were important.

00:39:06.060 And you did bring it up a couple of times.

00:39:07.200 And my first inclination was like, you didn't really fight him on it.

00:39:10.900 And then my second instinct was, I will say, I mean, I've seen a lot of interviews, especially

00:39:16.320 with people on the right with Donald Trump about this topic.

00:39:21.160 And it was more pushback than I've seen from anybody, really, to be honest with you, at

00:39:24.900 least mentioned that.

00:39:26.600 And I thought it must be difficult at the White House, in the Roosevelt Room, sitting with

00:39:32.400 the president of the United States to be like, you know, this particular policy is not

00:39:36.040 my favorite.

00:39:36.720 I mean, there must be, that must be, was there any level of...

00:39:39.240 Especially with Donald Trump.

00:39:40.420 I mean, Donald Trump, you know, he will go for people who don't like his policies and

00:39:48.360 he will push them to the wall and in a good spirited way and try to figure out why.

00:39:51.960 Yeah.

00:39:52.180 But like Zelensky, if you've had that conversation and it's already decided, you know, don't

00:40:00.600 keep fighting.

00:40:01.560 Don't keep fighting me on it because you're going to get the same answer over and over

00:40:04.400 again.

00:40:04.700 And then you're going to become a pest.

00:40:06.080 And then it's like, what are you doing?

00:40:07.560 You know what I mean?

00:40:08.100 Yeah.

00:40:08.280 I mean, you weren't trying to have some big adversarial argument, but you did want to

00:40:11.780 do it to get the context.

00:40:13.500 But I will tell you, this is one of the, and I haven't told him this yet.

00:40:17.600 I'm waiting for the right opportunity to tell them this because I think he'll really appreciate

00:40:20.940 it, but I don't know how to tell him this story.

00:40:24.140 We were in Mar-a-Lago.

00:40:25.880 Stop me if I've told this story before.

00:40:27.600 We were in Mar-a-Lago and he invited, you know, I'm just doing an interview and he's

00:40:32.780 like, you having dinner tonight?

00:40:34.120 What are you doing for dinner?

00:40:35.020 I said, I think we're all going to McDonald's.

00:40:37.020 And he said, no, no, no.

00:40:38.440 Come on, have dinner with me in Mar-a-Lago.

00:40:40.460 Now, Mar-a-Lago is a jacket player.

00:40:41.920 I'm in a jacket, but everybody else in the crew is in like, you know, black pants and a black

00:40:46.880 t-shirt, you know, their crew.

00:40:49.180 And, uh, and I said, well, uh, Mar-a-Lago.

00:40:53.520 And he said, yeah.

00:40:54.600 And I said, I kind of pointed at everybody and he's like, no, everybody.

00:40:58.680 So he invited everybody to have dinner on him at Mar-a-Lago.

00:41:01.340 So they're really nice.

00:41:02.720 So we're all sitting at this table and, um, he comes by and he says, we're looking at the menu.

00:41:09.460 And he says, Glenn, you got to have the Salisbury steak.

00:41:13.040 Have I told you the story?

00:41:14.100 Got to have the Salisbury steak.

00:41:15.560 And I said, uh, okay, now I don't really like Salisbury's.

00:41:20.160 I remember having Salisbury steak when it was like in the TV dinner kind of thing, you know?

00:41:24.920 And I was like, uh, okay.

00:41:26.660 And he's like, no, trust me, you and me, look at us.

00:41:29.960 We like the same kind of food.

00:41:31.360 And I was like, I think he just called me fat.

00:41:33.920 And, uh, he said, you'll love it.

00:41:35.460 You'll love it.

00:41:35.840 Everybody tells me the Salisbury steak best they've ever had.

00:41:38.520 I'm like, okay, well, I'm a Salisbury steak.

00:41:40.340 So I ordered the Salisbury steak and I eat it and everybody's waiting at the table.

00:41:44.760 They're like, well, well, how's the Salisbury steak?

00:41:46.980 And I went, meh.

00:41:48.720 And they're like, what?

00:41:50.380 And I said, yeah, I mean, it's not, it's not bad, but it's not, you know, the greatest Salisbury steak.

00:41:56.100 I don't know what is the greatest Salisbury steak in the world, but.

00:41:59.120 Not your favorite dish.

00:42:00.080 You know, it was not bad, but it was meh.

00:42:02.320 Yeah.

00:42:02.740 And, uh, and who's talking about it?

00:42:05.260 And, and I said, you know what it is?

00:42:07.540 Cause he said, everybody tells me is the greatest Salisbury steak in the world.

00:42:11.020 I said, nobody is willing to tell him that it's meh.

00:42:14.900 You know what I mean?

00:42:15.720 He'll recommend it and then you'll order it.

00:42:17.980 And then he'll come back and say, what'd you think?

00:42:20.300 And they'll say, it was great. 0.98

00:42:21.780 So nobody has the balls to tell him cause he's the president of the United States. 0.97

00:42:25.100 Right. 0.98

00:42:25.380 And he right then comes to the table.

00:42:28.420 What'd you think of the Salisbury steak?

00:42:30.800 Best I've ever had done.

00:42:32.400 I mean, that's really what I said.

00:42:34.680 And I was, as it was coming out of my mouth, I'm like, oh my God, I'm one of those people. 1.00

00:42:38.540 I can't tell him the truth about a stupid Salisbury steak. 0.99

00:42:43.220 So he still thinks if you're going to Mar-a-Lago, meh, meh, no matter what he says, meh. 1.00

00:42:48.680 But I guarantee you, if you order it and he asks you, you'll tell him it's the best you've ever had.

00:42:55.180 Guaranteed.

00:42:56.420 So I thought I did pretty good.

00:42:58.160 No, you did.

00:42:58.700 I think you did.

00:42:59.260 It was a good interview.

00:42:59.960 It's not easy.

00:43:00.900 It was a good interview.

00:43:01.860 And it was enjoyable to watch.

00:43:03.360 I think, by the way, it's on YouTube tonight.

00:43:05.460 YouTube.com.

00:43:06.480 Is it Blaze TV or is it Glenn Beck?

00:43:08.300 Do you know?

00:43:08.520 Glenn Beck.

00:43:08.960 Okay.

00:43:09.260 So go there.

00:43:10.020 Go to one of those.

00:43:10.600 And you'll find the interview tonight.

00:43:12.700 Or you can go to Blaze TV.

00:43:13.640 BlazeTV.com slash Glenn.

00:43:15.200 Promo code Glenn.

00:43:16.060 Save 20 bucks.

00:43:17.560 It was a good interview, though.

00:43:18.520 You went through kind of every big topic and covered a lot of what they went through.

00:43:22.600 But it's hard with him, especially.

00:43:25.680 It was interesting because I feel like earlier interviews you've done with him, you would

00:43:30.000 ask a question and he would kind of, I wouldn't say filibuster is the right term exactly.

00:43:33.940 It's just kind of who he is.

00:43:34.820 He goes on and he kind of goes to his thing.

00:43:37.220 He was much more willing to...

00:43:39.960 Have a conversation.

00:43:40.920 Yeah.

00:43:41.360 Like he stopped a couple of times when I thought he was going to kind of go on a rant and let

00:43:44.740 you follow up and everything.

00:43:46.960 And I think that led to getting to a good amount of stuff rather than, you know, two questions

00:43:53.040 and the thing's over.

00:43:54.940 I thought it was good.

00:43:55.880 I mean, that must have been a cool experience.

00:43:57.780 I asked him after the cameras were off because I just, I've wanted to tell him this story

00:44:02.460 because I didn't know if he remembered.

00:44:04.680 I mean, I knew he knew, but I didn't know if he connected.

00:44:07.480 I said, is there, is it ironic to you that when Nikolai Tesla died, your uncle, John G.

00:44:17.940 Trump, who was at MIT, was asked by the government to come in and go through his papers to see which

00:44:24.800 is good and which is dangerous, what could be shipped back with him to his home for his museum

00:44:29.920 and his library and which needed to stay classified.

00:44:34.080 And here you are now working with the new Tesla.

00:44:38.780 You're working with a guy who brought the name Tesla even back.

00:44:41.820 And he is our generation's Tesla.

00:44:45.640 And now you're working with him.

00:44:47.400 I said, have you ever seen the irony in that?

00:44:49.540 And he just lit up and said, you know, he likes it when people know stories that nobody

00:44:56.500 knows.

00:44:57.320 You know what I mean?

00:44:58.340 And he said, yeah, let me tell you about my uncle.

00:45:02.140 And he just shot an extra, I don't know, five minutes.

00:45:05.100 They were yelling at him about the, you know, National Security Council is waiting.

00:45:08.620 I'm getting dirty looks for even asking it.

00:45:10.980 And he's like, yeah, I want to tell you.

00:45:13.580 And his whole staff is like, oh, God.

00:45:16.780 I mean, there might be a war that breaks out.

00:45:19.020 Can you just let him go do his work, please?

00:45:23.120 And so we have that as an extra.

00:45:25.180 And then I also gave a tour of the Roosevelt Room as we were setting up.

00:45:29.860 Because it's just, it's the White House.

00:45:33.000 I wish people could really take tours of the White House.

00:45:36.460 You can't.

00:45:37.000 I mean, you can take a tour of the White House.

00:45:38.880 But I wish you could take the tour I took with him.

00:45:42.260 It's a remarkable building.

00:45:46.900 And unlike the other places that are being treated like trash in Washington, D.C.

00:45:52.640 now, the National, I was in the Smithsonian, in the Portuary.

00:45:59.920 I think it's Portuary.

00:46:02.360 I can't remember.

00:46:03.240 It's one of the museums, art museums.

00:46:05.120 And it was, I mean, it looked like it hasn't been cleaned since, you know, 1872.

00:46:13.400 It was just in horrible shape.

00:46:15.620 And it's just, it's disgusting the way it's all been taken care of.

00:46:18.900 And it's all woke now.

00:46:21.540 And I talked to the president off that.

00:46:23.280 We were talking about art.

00:46:24.100 And I said, the woke art.

00:46:26.360 He's like, right? 1.00

00:46:27.980 He's like, it's just garbage. 0.99

00:46:29.780 And I'm like, you know, maybe some people appreciate it. 0.99

00:46:31.740 But I just, I can't take, I can't take it in your face as, look how bad America has been.

00:46:38.060 Look how bad America is.

00:46:39.220 And he said, yeah, we're changing all that.

00:46:41.560 It just takes time.

00:46:42.760 It just takes time.

00:46:44.240 How many presidents have you interviewed now?

00:46:46.720 Reagan, GW, GHW, Trump.

00:46:53.160 So every Republican president since Reagan.

00:46:57.100 Yeah.

00:46:57.660 Hmm.

00:46:58.640 That's kind of cool.

00:46:59.440 Yeah, it is.

00:47:00.260 It is.

00:47:00.780 I mean, you know, again, I wouldn't have put you in the Radio Hall of Fame for it, but it's something.

00:47:04.460 Na, na, na, na.

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