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00:00:00.000 Are we doing what we need to do to prepare our kids for a battle between good and evil?

00:00:06.940 And what does that mean? And are our kids capable of it? I think there's a lot of people who think

00:00:14.280 the younger generation just not capable of anything. And I think you are dead wrong.

00:00:19.360 And I'm going to talk about that. Also, Jamie Lee Curtis reacts to Charlie Kirk's death.

00:00:23.720 UnitedHealthcare CEO's killer. The terrorism charges have been dropped. We talked to Andy

00:00:28.620 McCarthy about that. He gives us an insight. This guy is going to pay, I think, the ultimate price.

00:00:35.140 But he is going to never see the light of day, even though New York is doing their best to

00:00:40.880 keep him in jail for maybe only 25 years. Trump is going to make sure those federal charges

00:00:47.580 stick. And he explains it all on today's podcast. First, let me tell you about the burner launcher.

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00:02:57.960 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. I'm

00:03:12.200 on my way to Phoenix for the rest of the week. I will be at TPUSA tomorrow filling in for Charlie

00:03:19.440 Kirk. And I am honored to, uh, I have to tell you, boy, I don't know what it's going to feel

00:03:27.780 like to sit in his chair. Um, but, uh, we'll do that tomorrow. Um, listen, I want to talk to you

00:03:35.340 about a friend of mine. I have a, a very dear friend. She's mom. She has some older kids later

00:03:40.040 in life. She had a surprise and it was a joyful surprise. So she still has one young son at home.

00:03:49.320 I remember she told me years ago when her son was four, um, uh, he, he was getting ready for bed

00:03:59.640 one night and she pulled his pajamas on over his head and she took her face in his hands. Uh, and she

00:04:08.000 said, I just love you so much. And her son reached out and grabbed her face and said, mom, someday I'm

00:04:15.660 going to have to fight a great battle and you are not getting me ready for it. Now, when she told me

00:04:22.680 this, I said, what are you telling your four year old? You're like, by the way, Jesus is coming

00:04:31.800 and there's going to be a great battle and the devil's going to get you. You know, I'm like,

00:04:36.720 what are you telling your kid? She's like, Glenn, we have never had a conversation about any of that.

00:04:41.760 Never. She's like, he's four. Why would I be saying anything like that? And, um, she was just,

00:04:51.460 her and her husband were like, what, what is happening? And he was dead set. There was a great

00:04:57.680 battle coming and I have to fight it and you're not preparing me for it. Now he's 11.

00:05:04.600 She called me, uh, after the shooting with, with Charlie and she told me that the shooting

00:05:13.640 reminded her of that moment with her son. And then she said something so tragic because I know this

00:05:20.400 woman. I just, I love her to death and I know, I know her heart and I know the way she's raising her

00:05:27.880 kids. And she said to me, I don't think I have been raising him, Glenn. I, I, I, even, even knowing

00:05:38.420 that I'm supposed to, I don't know if I've done enough to prepare him for what's coming next,

00:05:45.480 to get ready for him, to get ready for what he has to do in his life.

00:05:55.700 We all go through this one way or another is our kids, my kids, my two younger kids moved

00:06:01.280 out of the house this year and I'm terrified. I'm terrified because Tanya and I both say we

00:06:09.800 didn't do enough. We didn't do enough. And I got to believe our heavenly father might,

00:06:15.240 have had a moment of that as he's sending us through the, you know, through the veil and

00:06:22.880 through the birth canal going, did I do enough to make sure? I mean,

00:06:34.340 the work we have to do is the work of uniting all of us.

00:06:39.520 This generation, I'm absolutely convinced this generation is the generation that has been 0.99

00:06:48.800 sent here at this time for a reason. And I think I know what that reason is, but I could

00:06:54.640 be wrong. I don't know, but I know it. And I've seen it. I've had two gatherings of youth

00:07:05.000 at my house in the last 10 days. I had about 70 people over at my house last Sunday. And I think

00:07:12.120 I had about 50 people over the Tuesday before Charlie was shot. And I sat there and I taught

00:07:21.140 them civics and history of our country. And I showed them artifacts and tried to engage with them to get

00:07:28.120 them to see the things that I see that they have never been taught. And I saw it in their eyes.

00:07:36.920 They are engaged. And many of them know tough times are coming. And while they don't want to talk

00:07:45.800 about it per se, they know, they know they're going to be the ones that are going to fix this

00:07:51.800 and change this and take all of this on. I see it in the faces of my own children. My friend sees it in

00:07:59.360 the face of her four-year-old who's now 11. And I think you see it too. The God-given potential

00:08:10.000 of the generations that are behind us, that are now coming up. William Wordsworth, the poet,

00:08:20.880 said that birth is not the beginning of our existence. Quote, trailing clouds of glory,

00:08:28.560 do we come from God who is our home. Each child comes to us with this divine light inside,

00:08:37.240 an infinite potential. And if you've had more than one kid, you know, it's not just nurture

00:08:44.880 because all four of my kids are wildly different.

00:08:53.000 As the kids raised the flag here at my ranch on Sunday, I looked around at them

00:09:01.400 and I wished I could show them what I saw in them, the potential that all of them, I wish

00:09:09.860 I could, I wish I could share with the youth just the glimpse of what I see.

00:09:20.480 I wish I could send them a YouTube or Instagram or TikTok video of who they really are, you know,

00:09:26.400 a video of how I really see them, how God sees them. But I think that is our mission.

00:09:35.040 And we have to understand, can you imagine what the parents of the shooter feel like today?

00:09:42.920 Hush, if you live in their community, I hope you let them know they're not alone.

00:09:46.320 I mean, not, not, not to excuse the shooter or anything else, but my gosh, I've, I've raised 14 teenagers now

00:09:59.240 and it is not easy. And all of us, all of us, we all know you got a wayward kid.

00:10:10.360 And in today's world, it's even worse because there are predators out there waiting to take your kid.

00:10:17.060 Our job, I used to think it was to save America, but our job is actually bigger than that.

00:10:24.620 Our job is to lead the next generation to their work and not tell them exactly how to do it.

00:10:31.440 Because I don't know how to do it. Do you? If I knew how to do it, I think we'd be doing it.

00:10:35.520 I think too many of us think they're not capable and we're treating our kids like kids. Stop it.

00:10:43.880 They're not kids at 26. I don't think they're kids at 16.

00:10:48.300 Things have changed. Childhood has changed.

00:10:52.480 Stop treating them like children.

00:10:54.480 I mean, I, I'm, I know I'm like you. I get frustrated that our, that our kids, you know,

00:11:08.460 they, they're not like we used to be. They didn't have, you know who used to say that too?

00:11:13.940 The greatest generation, their parents used to say that too.

00:11:18.460 They didn't have to work hard for a living.

00:11:20.620 They don't know what it's like without these, this is literally what they said,

00:11:24.980 without these fancy cars and refrigeration.

00:11:28.680 They don't know what it was like to get a block of ice out of the lake

00:11:32.720 and bring it to keep your food cold.

00:11:35.560 They're never going to be able to fight anything.

00:11:38.100 They're weak.

00:11:39.820 They were the greatest generation. 0.83

00:11:45.120 We got to stop calling these guys lazy and lost because they're not.

00:11:49.260 They may be lost, but just as lost as you and I are, I got to tell you, I'm lost.

00:11:55.780 I fight every single day with something.

00:11:59.020 There's something in my head.

00:12:00.540 Oh man, pray for me, please.

00:12:03.240 I've got so many things.

00:12:04.880 I got this tangled knot in my head right now.

00:12:07.540 And I haven't had this, honestly.

00:12:09.360 I had the opportunity to baptize my niece on Saturday and her husband.

00:12:15.080 And I stood in the waters and I'm like, Lord, can we just start over with me too?

00:12:22.300 Can I just, you know, I know I'm not going under the water.

00:12:25.140 I'm baptizing somebody, but can we just start all over?

00:12:27.260 Because I got this tangled knot in me and I've got so many things.

00:12:30.220 What I did, what I didn't do, and I got to get rid of it all.

00:12:33.200 Take it from me, please.

00:12:35.280 Take it.

00:12:35.880 They're lost, but let's admit it, so are we.

00:12:46.820 And I know the answer for me.

00:12:49.720 We just have to put our hand out to bring them, to bring them with us.

00:12:55.300 And ask them to bring us with them as they fight for freedom.

00:12:59.780 The Bible says, and about the eleventh hour he went out and found the other standing idle.

00:13:07.180 And saith unto them, why stand ye here all the day idle?

00:13:12.860 They said unto him, because no man has hired us.

00:13:20.720 We have left them idle because we have, we've made the decision that they're not as capable as we are.

00:13:27.880 Have you ever worked for somebody like that?

00:13:29.260 Nah, I'll just do it myself.

00:13:31.660 You don't get anywhere with that kind of person.

00:13:35.100 They weren't sent here to be like us.

00:13:37.940 That's the point.

00:13:39.520 Again, if we could have fixed it, we would have fixed it.

00:13:42.340 They weren't sent here to be like us.

00:13:44.780 They were sent here to be the battalion that God needs them to be for this time and for this moment.

00:13:51.080 Let's stop trying to shape them in our image.

00:13:54.680 It's our call to help them see who they are and to grow into the image that God has intended for them.

00:14:03.440 I would love for my, I'd love for my son or daughter to be like me, you know, like the things I like because we'd have such an easy time on things and, you know, do the things that I want you to do.

00:14:18.900 That's not the way it is.

00:14:20.300 It's not the way it's supposed to be.

00:14:22.200 It's our call to help them.

00:14:23.900 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds and from one end of heaven to the other.

00:14:37.780 I think Charlie was one of those angels.

00:14:39.840 I do.

00:14:40.180 He saw, he saw the potential in the youth, even though the culture was saying they were addicted to screens and they're apathetic and they don't, they don't know what it's like to go drag the ice out of the lake.

00:14:56.120 Charlie was gathering the elect so they could bring together all of God's children from the four corners of the earth.

00:15:02.740 Now it's our turn.

00:15:06.640 We are the angels and they are the elect.

00:15:09.260 Charlie saw that.

00:15:11.060 Charlie lived that.

00:15:12.860 And it's time for people of my age to live that too.

00:15:21.500 Mom.

00:15:24.040 Dad.

00:15:27.680 Someday I'm going to have to fight a great battle.

00:15:32.140 Please.

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00:16:41.680 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:16:44.200 May I compliment somebody on the left that does not agree with a word I say, and I know because I know this individual, Jamie Lee Curtis.

00:16:56.620 Jamie Lee Curtis came out and made a statement about Charlie Kirk, and I want you to hear it.

00:17:02.860 Charlie Crist was killed two days ago.

00:17:06.160 Kirk, not you, Charlie.

00:17:07.600 I'm sorry.

00:17:08.660 Kirk.

00:17:09.320 Kirk, I just call him Crist.

00:17:10.640 I think because of Christ, because of his deep, deep belief.

00:17:18.580 I mean, I disagreed with him on almost every point I ever heard him say.

00:17:24.480 Yeah.

00:17:26.080 But I believe he was a man of faith.

00:17:27.900 And I hope in that moment when he died that he felt connected to his faith, even though I find what he, his ideas were abhorrent to me.

00:17:40.920 Yeah.

00:17:41.820 I still believe he's a father and a husband and a man of faith.

00:17:45.560 And I hope whatever connection to God means that he felt it.

00:17:53.420 Yesterday was 9-11.

00:17:57.500 I know there is video of his assassination.

00:18:02.040 I know people who've seen it.

00:18:06.820 Yesterday, we watched again these images of those buildings coming down.

00:18:13.640 We as a society are bombarded with imagery.

00:18:17.920 So, we don't know what the longitudinal effects of seeing those towers come down over and over and over and over again.

00:18:29.180 Or watching his execution over and over and over again.

00:18:38.620 We watched the Zabruder film, by the way, my birthday, November 22nd.

00:18:45.040 I'm associated with this awful day of someone being assassinated on television.

00:18:52.580 But it's, as you know, the Zabruder film is the only visual document that moves, that shares that horror of what happened.

00:19:04.040 But here we have now these images.

00:19:07.020 All the time, every day.

00:19:08.620 And we are inured to them and we are numb to them.

00:19:12.080 But they are in there.

00:19:13.680 We don't know.

00:19:15.260 We don't know enough psychologically about what that does.

00:19:20.880 What does that do?

00:19:23.040 That kind of...

00:19:24.000 I don't ever want to see this footage of this man being shot.

00:19:27.320 I didn't watch it.

00:19:27.860 I think it diminishes the depth of humanity.

00:19:30.260 Now, I would like to point out that she is making a very good point of what this does to you psychologically.

00:19:41.940 She is also, you know, making, you know, the Halloween movies as well.

00:19:50.200 And I would like to just point out, and this is not a critique on her, because I love her.

00:19:56.040 I love what she just said.

00:19:57.260 Okay?

00:19:57.420 She strongly disagrees with him, but she handled it perfectly.

00:20:02.880 But I would like people who make movies to ask themselves, okay, but are we also cheapening death and life by the movies we make?

00:20:17.320 Because I think the answer to that is yes.

00:20:19.580 I don't know by how much, you know, but it has to.

00:20:23.020 You put garbage in, you get garbage out.

00:20:26.940 But again, she handled that perfectly.

00:20:30.420 And I don't know how, if she's getting hate or anything else.

00:20:33.700 I know, it's talked about this yesterday that Kristen Chenoweth, a big Broadway star, did the same thing.

00:20:40.960 And she is being blackballed now by her own industry. 0.98

00:20:45.000 For what?

00:20:46.460 For standing up and saying, this guy shouldn't have been shot?

00:20:51.460 I mean, it just shows the depth of darkness that is living in our society.

00:21:01.860 And it just has to stop.

00:21:03.580 So thank you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for handling this the right way.

00:21:10.520 And, you know, it's funny, because I met Jamie Lee Curtis.

00:21:14.200 She was on my show years ago.

00:21:17.120 And, oh my gosh, you found a picture.

00:21:20.860 Oof, if you're watching The Blaze.

00:21:22.520 Wow, is that even me?

00:21:25.140 Wow.

00:21:26.640 She looks great then and now, weirdly.

00:21:29.260 I know she does.

00:21:30.120 You can't say the same.

00:21:31.740 No, thank you.

00:21:32.560 But she was on my show at that time.

00:21:35.580 And I'll never forget.

00:21:36.460 Do you remember?

00:21:36.880 I spent an hour with her.

00:21:38.120 And at first, she was sitting in her chair.

00:21:40.860 And she was just pushed back.

00:21:42.480 And she had her arms crossed her chest.

00:21:45.500 And I said to her at one point, I said, are you okay?

00:21:49.080 And she said, you scare me.

00:21:51.000 And I said, what do you mean?

00:21:52.960 And she said, you scare me.

00:21:54.340 I watch your show, and sometimes you say things that scare me.

00:21:58.960 And so we talked about it.

00:22:00.460 And that picture was taken after.

00:22:02.600 And look at her.

00:22:04.660 I mean, she's next to me.

00:22:07.040 She's got her head on my shoulder, her arm around my arm.

00:22:11.780 And I thought we had become not friends, but friendly to one another.

00:22:17.280 And we still disagreed with each other.

00:22:19.380 We still disagreed with each other.

00:22:21.180 But she was a reasonable human being.

00:22:23.740 And obviously, she is still a reasonable human being that I disagree with almost everything she says.

00:22:30.060 And I'm sure she says the same thing about me.

00:22:31.680 But thank you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for being a decent human being.

00:22:35.400 Thank you for that.

00:22:38.840 Now I wish that could happen to everybody who steps out of line.

00:22:43.800 And I mean that on both sides.

00:22:45.040 Not on this issue.

00:22:45.920 But sometimes you step out of line.

00:22:48.040 Who are you to say that?

00:22:49.820 Now, let me take you to New York.

00:22:52.380 A decision has just been made.

00:22:54.060 And one I absolutely, positively do not understand.

00:22:58.420 And we need to get Andrew McCarthy or somebody on today or tomorrow to help me out with this one.

00:23:06.620 But the killer of the UnitedHealthcare CEO.

00:23:10.880 Let's remember who he is. 0.98

00:23:12.480 He went to New York with a gun with the intention of killing that guy.

00:23:19.380 Stu, I know we have laws. 0.61

00:23:22.380 When you have a plan to murder someone.

00:23:27.940 And it's a well thought out plan. 1.00

00:23:31.420 And then you do murder them. 1.00

00:23:33.740 What is that called? 0.99

00:23:35.540 We usually call it first degree murder.

00:23:38.980 First degree murder.

00:23:40.300 Why?

00:23:41.860 It's the premeditation.

00:23:43.300 What is required with first degree?

00:23:44.120 Yeah.

00:23:44.640 Premeditation.

00:23:46.020 Okay.

00:23:47.020 Premeditation.

00:23:48.780 Did he have premeditation?

00:23:51.540 Absolutely without question.

00:23:53.800 Without question.

00:23:55.180 Without question.

00:23:56.180 Have you heard any piece of evidence that would make you say, well, that is kind of questionable?

00:24:01.760 No, not at all.

00:24:03.820 Not at all.

00:24:05.820 The New York, is it the Supreme Court?

00:24:07.800 The New York Supreme Court?

00:24:09.080 New York Supreme Court Justice Gregory Caro is his name.

00:24:13.200 He said the evidence presented to the grand jury does not support charges of murder in the first and second degrees under the state's terrorism statute.

00:24:21.760 Now, when I first read that, and this is why Andy McCarthy would be perfect on this because he actually operated in this world constantly, but like, you know, a terrorism statute, there are certain things, and we've seen this in previous cases in New York, where the normal way we use a term is not the way the law is exactly written.

00:24:42.000 And so, to me, this is absolute crystal clear terrorism.

00:24:48.000 This is what he was trying to do.

00:24:49.380 He was trying to create a sense, in his own words, basically, about how he wanted these executives to walk around constantly turning their heads, wondering whether they're going to get shot or not, right?

00:25:00.800 Like, this is the goal.

00:25:01.380 That is the textbook definition of terrorism.

00:25:06.000 By the way, Andy McCarthy just confirmed he'll be with us in 45 minutes.

00:25:09.320 Oh, perfect.

00:25:10.060 He'll explain this.

00:25:11.320 Yeah, he'll explain this.

00:25:12.600 We're going to get the answer on this one.

00:25:14.220 But that is the textbook definition of terrorism. 0.99

00:25:17.480 Murder in the first degree, the textbook definition is, I've got a plan, I'm going to go kill this guy, I'm bringing a gun, I'm driving through the tunnels, I'm going in, I'm parking my car, I'm waiting for him outside of his hotel to come in or come out so I can shoot him. 0.97

00:25:35.120 That's the definition of premeditated murder. 0.93

00:25:38.560 And the Charlie Kirk situation would be the same type of thing, right?

00:25:41.360 Like, both terrorism and premeditated first degree murder.

00:25:45.260 I mean, it is as...

00:25:46.200 Exactly right.

00:25:47.100 Now, again, not being an attorney in New York, it's possible that that terrorism situation has some distinct characteristic that makes this not qualify.

00:25:57.100 We'll know that from Andy very soon.

00:25:58.520 So then drop the terrorism and just try him for first degree murder.

00:26:01.140 This is what they say.

00:26:02.120 I mean, this murderer, which I'm not going to say his name for many reasons, will still face trial on murder in the second degree and other related counts.

00:26:11.360 But he no longer, Glenn, faces the possibility of life in prison without parole.

00:26:17.960 Let me just tell you something.

00:26:19.720 New York, you keep going down this road.

00:26:23.340 You're going to elect Mom Donnie and you're going to have free buses, which are going to be basically mobile homes for the homeless.

00:26:28.920 You're going to have crime that is absolutely out of control.

00:26:33.020 Your industries in New York City are absolutely going to collapse.

00:26:37.400 You keep passing these laws.

00:26:39.200 You keep doing these things with these Democrats that are far leftist in your state.

00:26:45.880 You are going to get the future you so richly deserve.

00:26:49.240 Now, when I say that, I just want to put a caveat.

00:26:51.840 When I say richly deserve, do not confuse that with being rich because there won't be any businesses that will want to do business in New York State or New York City.

00:27:03.260 So don't confuse the future that you so richly deserve with actually being rich.

00:27:09.540 You will be poor.

00:27:11.320 You will be destitute.

00:27:12.900 You will be living in an absolute hell hole.

00:27:16.020 You cannot look at, I mean, the choices between left and right, good and evil have never been more clear in my life.

00:27:26.020 In my lifetime, they've never been as clear as they are this week, just this week.

00:27:29.980 Are you celebrating the death of somebody?

00:27:32.420 Are you excusing the death of somebody?

00:27:36.140 Okay, nobody excused.

00:27:37.520 I mean, well, I'm sure there were people that excused the death of Martin Luther King.

00:27:41.460 But is it anybody you'd want to be associated with?

00:27:46.860 Was there anybody that was excusing the death of JFK or RFK?

00:27:51.840 Sure there were.

00:27:53.140 Is it anybody you would want to be associated with?

00:27:56.940 Why are you doing it today?

00:27:58.880 Why are you doing it today?

00:27:59.920 You should be crystal clear on that.

00:28:03.240 Crystal clear.

00:28:04.820 And so much of America is not crystal clear on that.

00:28:08.200 When it comes to policing our own streets, you can disagree with what the president is doing.

00:28:14.240 Well, you actually can't because he did it legally in D.C.

00:28:17.720 And he's doing it now in Memphis because he was invited in by the governor, exactly the way the Constitution calls.

00:28:23.800 You could have argued with him if he would have gone into Chicago.

00:28:27.740 And I would have been on your side, making a case both ways, but probably leaning more towards your way.

00:28:33.180 I'd have to see how he did it.

00:28:34.820 But he can't just bring in troops without very specific things.

00:28:39.020 So he didn't do that.

00:28:40.340 But how are you arguing against policing your own streets?

00:28:43.760 How are you arguing against this guy not being tried for first-degree murder?

00:28:52.240 Like Stu said, I don't know the terrorism part.

00:28:54.700 We'll find out about that.

00:28:55.960 But what kind of loophole is that?

00:28:59.440 That's insane.

00:29:01.040 If you don't start punishing people, if you don't start holding people accountable, it's only going to get much worse.

00:29:12.120 And that is simple common sense.

00:29:16.800 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:29:19.660 We have a good friend, Annie McCarthy, who is a National Review contributing editor.

00:29:29.300 He's also a former chief assistant U.S. attorney and a guy who, when he speaks, I almost always agree with him.

00:29:36.740 And when I don't, I'm probably wrong, especially when it comes to things like this, because this is his expertise.

00:29:43.240 He was a former chief assistant U.S. attorney, and he worked on terror most of his career.

00:29:51.200 I mean, he is well-versed on terror charges and how to try them.

00:29:56.840 This Luigi Mangione case, the terrorism charges have been dropped.

00:30:03.860 And Andy, if I remember right, came out with an article, I think of last year, and said, this is not going to stand.

00:30:10.240 These terrorism charges aren't going to stand.

00:30:11.980 And I don't understand why they won't.

00:30:14.340 And I also don't understand how he's now only going to be charged with second-degree murder.

00:30:20.360 When it was clear he was stalking the guy, he was, I mean, he planned on killing him, he was waiting for him outside.

00:30:26.840 I mean, that's premeditation, which is murder one.

00:30:30.720 But I know Andy will have all the answers for us.

00:30:33.880 Can you make sense of this for us, Andy?

00:30:36.220 Yeah, I'm afraid I can, Glenn.

00:30:38.240 I think to start with the second point first about why it's murder two rather than murder one, back in the Pataki days, which is like the 1990s in New York when he was governor, they tried to revise the New York capital murder statute because they haven't done a death penalty case in New York in decades.

00:31:01.960 And this was not, this ultimately was not a successful effort.

00:31:05.540 They still haven't revived the death penalty.

00:31:07.660 But what they did was they took the things that you could get the death penalty for, which in New York were only things like killing a police officer or killing a prison guard in the prison.

00:31:20.100 And they made those the only murder in the first degree varieties of homicide and all other murder.

00:31:29.280 Well, because they were trying to clean up their idea was they were trying to clean the statute in a way that murder one would be revived as capital murder death penalty.

00:31:41.900 And all right.

00:31:43.480 And all right. And all other murder was going to be second degree murder.

00:31:46.840 So because what we're dealing with with with Mangione under New York law would not have qualified for the death penalty because that would have been very, very narrow.

00:31:58.580 And it's mainly killing police officers or prison guards that puts it into the category of second degree murder.

00:32:06.360 That doesn't mean, by the way, that it's unserious.

00:32:09.080 It has a I think the offense in New York is like 25 years to life.

00:32:15.580 So it's it's for the guy should have it.

00:32:18.860 I mean, you can you can argue against the death penalty, but the guy should get either the death penalty or life without parole, not 25 years.

00:32:28.000 This guy is what he's looking.

00:32:29.540 Help me out on this one.

00:32:30.760 How is he not a terrorist?

00:32:32.600 He had the intent to terrorize.

00:32:34.720 He said himself he wanted people to look over their shoulders.

00:32:37.460 I mean, he is a textbook terrorist and premeditation textbook to yet to prove terrorism.

00:32:47.700 You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt an intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population.

00:32:54.920 And you have to sort of get out of the the mindset that murder is terrorizing.

00:33:01.680 I mean, all murder is terrorizing to the people who are obviously involved in it.

00:33:07.460 And to the extent that it intimidates people.

00:33:10.060 But we can't turn every murder into terrorism.

00:33:13.600 Correct.

00:33:14.100 But terrorism is about.

00:33:17.180 But isn't terrorism about trying to scare the population to either vote different or change the laws to be so terrorized that they in this particular case,

00:33:28.000 he was trying to send a message to the the industry.

00:33:32.620 You better watch your back because there's more of me and you'll you'll get it in the end.

00:33:37.460 That's terrorizing a group of people to get them to act in a way the terrorist wants them to act.

00:33:44.220 Yes.

00:33:45.000 But it's not terrorizing.

00:33:45.900 Is that how we define it?

00:33:47.500 It's not terrorizing the government to change policy or terrorizing the whole civilian population.

00:33:54.140 What the judge said is this was very narrowly targeted at the health care industry and this particular health care executive.

00:34:04.180 And I guess I just don't think it trivializes the murder to say that it's not a terrorism crime. 0.84

00:34:14.060 OK.

00:34:15.220 You know, the federal government, Glenn, just so you just so we're we're clear on this part of it.

00:34:20.900 There were two charges brought here.

00:34:22.760 There's the federal charges and the state charges.

00:34:26.520 So Alvin Bragg, the New York D.A., brought the terrorism charge.

00:34:32.360 I said at the time I thought he was bringing it because he knew the Justice Department wanted to charge this guy.

00:34:39.200 So he wanted to make a splash like the Justice Department wanted to make a splash.

00:34:43.240 The Justice Department, when the Justice Department indicted it, even though Biden is against the death penalty and the Democratic administration was against the death penalty, they indicted it as a death penalty case because they wanted to make a big to do over it.

00:34:59.660 Even though, you know, if you look at the fine print, they would never impose the death penalty.

00:35:04.920 They had a moratorium on the death penalty.

00:35:07.140 So in order not to be out splashed, what Bragg turned around and did was indict this, what he would like 10 times out of 10 indict only as a murder case.

00:35:20.340 If you could get Bragg to indict something that was actually a crime.

00:35:23.720 And he decided he decided to make it a terrorism murder case so that, you know, they could compete for the headlines in the press.

00:35:34.180 Unfortunately, this is kind of what happens in these in these turf battle cases.

00:35:40.180 But to your point about stalking and all that stuff, the federal charges, which are the death penalty charges, include exactly what you're talking about.

00:35:50.900 The fact that this guy was stalked, that it was done in a very cold blooded way.

00:35:58.080 And I think actually, if he gets convicted in the federal, in the federal system, now that Trump is running the Justice Department rather than Biden, if he gets convicted on the death penalty charge, he's going to get the death penalty.

00:36:15.040 Okay, so it's not like he's getting murder in the second degree and he'll be out in 25 years.

00:36:20.760 The federal government is also trying him.

00:36:25.720 Will it be the same trial?

00:36:28.120 No, no.

00:36:29.280 In fact, the interesting thing, Glenn, just from a political standpoint, I hate having to get political in this stuff.

00:36:35.220 I know.

00:36:35.680 Me too.

00:36:36.200 Avoid it.

00:36:37.860 The Biden Justice Department was working cooperatively with Bragg.

00:36:44.040 I don't think the Trump Justice Department is going to work cooperatively with Bragg.

00:36:49.360 No.

00:36:49.560 The interesting thing about that is, under New York law, they have a very forgiving double jeopardy provision, which basically means if the feds go first, that will probably block New York State from going at all because of their expansive protection.

00:37:10.460 And I think what Biden's Justice Department was willing to let Bragg go first so that they'd go second and then everybody would have a piece of this.

00:37:20.420 Trump won't do that.

00:37:20.860 I'm not sure that Trump's guys are going to play ball like that.

00:37:25.020 Okay, so are you confident that justice will be served in this?

00:37:31.980 Well, I think that, you know, look, I think if your idea is justice served, will this guy be convicted of a severe murder charge and never see the light of day again?

00:37:44.440 I am confident in that.

00:37:45.940 If you believe, as I do, that if you're going to have a death penalty in the law, which our Constitution permits, if you're going to have it, he deserves it.

00:37:58.500 And if he doesn't get it, he would be, you know, he'd be among a long line of people who probably deserved it and didn't get it.

00:38:07.980 So I guess it depends on what your idea of justice is.

00:38:11.040 But I guess if we can agree that justice is this guy never sees the light of day again, I think justice will happen here.

00:38:16.220 Can I switch to Charlie Kirk?

00:38:20.140 How is this unfolding?

00:38:23.340 What are your thoughts on this?

00:38:24.820 What are your thoughts on, you know, I really want to make sure we don't go too far.

00:38:30.240 You know, I don't want another Patriot Act kind of thing.

00:38:33.240 But I do believe, you know, it appears as though there may have been many people involved, at least in knowing.

00:38:43.460 What does that mean to you and what should happen?

00:38:47.260 What should we be doing?

00:38:48.560 What are we doing that is right and wrong?

00:38:52.240 Well, to the extent, I do.

00:38:56.300 I do think, Glenn, that this is being very aggressively investigated.

00:39:03.900 By both the state authorities and continuing by the federal authorities, I heard Kash Patel,

00:39:09.760 because I happened to be on television this morning and they broadcast that while I was on.

00:39:16.860 And he was talking about that, how they are going through all of the social media stuff to see who may have had an inkling about this beforehand.

00:39:25.800 And if there was any conspiratorial activity, they're going to go after it.

00:39:29.820 Now, the chats that have come out so far that that have been reported in the last couple of days are chats in which he in which Robinson admitted to committing the homicide

00:39:44.300 and told the people that he was chatting with that he had already arranged his surrender.

00:39:50.360 If that's all these people knew, that is to say that he had, you know, he was confessing and he was turning himself in.

00:39:58.560 Well, they might be good witnesses in terms of what his state of mind was at the at the trial of Robinson.

00:40:05.220 But I don't think that implicates them in criminal misconduct.

00:40:10.440 On the other hand, the feds are going to keep digging.

00:40:13.440 And I assume Utah is going to keep digging.

00:40:15.820 And if they find out that somebody was involved in planning this, I think those people are going to be pursued.

00:40:25.320 You know, there's probably Texas would be a bad place to commit this crime.

00:40:30.160 Utah, however, they have the death penalty and they use the death penalty.

00:40:35.380 And and the governor who I'm not a big fan of this governor, but boy, he he has been very strong.

00:40:41.740 And I think right on top of this whole thing.

00:40:43.920 And he said, day one, you will get the death penalty. 0.97

00:40:47.180 We catch you.

00:40:48.020 We prove it in court of law. 0.99

00:40:49.640 You will get the death penalty.

00:40:50.780 And I think that's coming for this guy. 0.99

00:40:53.560 It should.

00:40:54.500 Well, it's deserving because if there's ever anything that's indicative

00:40:59.540 of free meditation and repulsive intent, I would say this is a textbook case of that.

00:41:10.640 The idea that Trump is now going to go after possibly a RICO charges for people like George Soros

00:41:19.220 and, you know, organizations like that that are are pushing for a lot of the, you know, the the Antifa kind of stuff.

00:41:29.480 Do you see any problems with that or is this a good idea?

00:41:33.640 I just think the first thing before you get into RICO and all these, you know, RICO is a very complicated statute, even when it obviously applies.

00:41:43.200 But so I think the bedrock thing they have to establish is that you are crossing the line from protected speech,

00:41:54.400 a lot of which can be obnoxious speech and actual incitement to violence.

00:41:59.900 And if you can get incitement to violence, you know, I didn't need RICO to prosecute the blind shape. 1.00

00:42:07.220 Right. I was able to do it on incitement to violence and and that kind of stuff.

00:42:12.220 Those are less complicated charges than RICO.

00:42:15.660 But the big challenge in those cases, Glenn, is getting across the line into violent action as opposed to,

00:42:23.140 you know, constitutionally protected rhetoric.

00:42:25.780 Is there anything to the subversion of our of our nation on, you know, that you are you're intentionally subverting the United States of America?

00:42:37.500 You're you're pushing for revolutionary acts.

00:42:41.380 You know, there's a there's a lot of litigation that arose out of that in connection with the Cold War and the McCarran Act.

00:42:50.200 And, you know, you remember all this stuff from the from the 40s and 50s forward.

00:42:55.300 Yeah, I know. And I think when that stuff was initially enacted, the country was in a different place.

00:43:04.120 I think when the McCarran Act was enacted, it was a consensus in the country that if someone was a member of the Communist Party,

00:43:13.140 hadn't actually done anything active to seek the violent overthrow of the U.S., but mere membership in the party.

00:43:18.800 I think if you ask the question in 1950, most people would have thought that was a crime.

00:43:23.620 And by 1980, most people would have thought it wasn't a crime based on what the Supreme Court.

00:43:29.000 I don't know.

00:43:29.620 Look, if you're a member of the Communist Party, you can be a member of the Communist Party.

00:43:34.800 But if you are actively subverting and pushing for revolution in our country, I think that's a different I think that's a different cat all entirely.

00:43:47.780 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:43:50.680 But if you have that evidence of purposeful activity and look, if you have a conspiratorial agreement between two people that contemplates the use of force, you don't need much more than that.

00:44:04.200 You don't need an act of violence if you have strong enough evidence of conspiracy.

00:44:08.180 But you do have to establish that they get over that line into the use of force, at least the potential use of force.

00:44:15.540 Okay.

00:44:16.500 Andy, as always, thank you so much.

00:44:17.980 Appreciate your insight.

00:44:19.360 Appreciate it.

00:44:19.920 Thank you, Glenn.

00:44:20.440 Make me feel a lot better about this.

00:44:23.020 I don't know about you, Stu.

The Glenn Beck Program - September 16, 2025

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