On today's show, Glenn Beck talks about what we should be doing to prepare our kids for a battle between good and evil. Also, Jamie Lee Curtis reacts to the death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Charlie Kirk and the terrorism charges dropped against him.
00:13:44.780They were sent here to be the battalion that God needs them to be for this time and for this moment.
00:13:51.080Let's stop trying to shape them in our image.
00:13:54.680It's our call to help them see who they are and to grow into the image that God has intended for them.
00:14:03.440I would love for my, I'd love for my son or daughter to be like me, you know, like the things I like because we'd have such an easy time on things and, you know, do the things that I want you to do.
00:14:23.900And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds and from one end of heaven to the other.
00:14:37.780I think Charlie was one of those angels.
00:14:40.180He saw, he saw the potential in the youth, even though the culture was saying they were addicted to screens and they're apathetic and they don't, they don't know what it's like to go drag the ice out of the lake.
00:14:56.120Charlie was gathering the elect so they could bring together all of God's children from the four corners of the earth.
00:24:09.080New York Supreme Court Justice Gregory Caro is his name.
00:24:13.200He said the evidence presented to the grand jury does not support charges of murder in the first and second degrees under the state's terrorism statute.
00:24:21.760Now, when I first read that, and this is why Andy McCarthy would be perfect on this because he actually operated in this world constantly, but like, you know, a terrorism statute, there are certain things, and we've seen this in previous cases in New York, where the normal way we use a term is not the way the law is exactly written.
00:24:42.000And so, to me, this is absolute crystal clear terrorism.
00:24:49.380He was trying to create a sense, in his own words, basically, about how he wanted these executives to walk around constantly turning their heads, wondering whether they're going to get shot or not, right?
00:25:12.600We're going to get the answer on this one.
00:25:14.220But that is the textbook definition of terrorism.
00:25:17.480Murder in the first degree, the textbook definition is, I've got a plan, I'm going to go kill this guy, I'm bringing a gun, I'm driving through the tunnels, I'm going in, I'm parking my car, I'm waiting for him outside of his hotel to come in or come out so I can shoot him.
00:25:35.120That's the definition of premeditated murder.
00:25:38.560And the Charlie Kirk situation would be the same type of thing, right?
00:25:41.360Like, both terrorism and premeditated first degree murder.
00:25:47.100Now, again, not being an attorney in New York, it's possible that that terrorism situation has some distinct characteristic that makes this not qualify.
00:26:02.120I mean, this murderer, which I'm not going to say his name for many reasons, will still face trial on murder in the second degree and other related counts.
00:26:11.360But he no longer, Glenn, faces the possibility of life in prison without parole.
00:26:39.200You keep doing these things with these Democrats that are far leftist in your state.
00:26:45.880You are going to get the future you so richly deserve.
00:26:49.240Now, when I say that, I just want to put a caveat.
00:26:51.840When I say richly deserve, do not confuse that with being rich because there won't be any businesses that will want to do business in New York State or New York City.
00:27:03.260So don't confuse the future that you so richly deserve with actually being rich.
00:30:38.240I think to start with the second point first about why it's murder two rather than murder one, back in the Pataki days, which is like the 1990s in New York when he was governor, they tried to revise the New York capital murder statute because they haven't done a death penalty case in New York in decades.
00:31:01.960And this was not, this ultimately was not a successful effort.
00:31:05.540They still haven't revived the death penalty.
00:31:07.660But what they did was they took the things that you could get the death penalty for, which in New York were only things like killing a police officer or killing a prison guard in the prison.
00:31:20.100And they made those the only murder in the first degree varieties of homicide and all other murder.
00:31:29.280Well, because they were trying to clean up their idea was they were trying to clean the statute in a way that murder one would be revived as capital murder death penalty.
00:31:43.480And all right. And all other murder was going to be second degree murder.
00:31:46.840So because what we're dealing with with with Mangione under New York law would not have qualified for the death penalty because that would have been very, very narrow.
00:31:58.580And it's mainly killing police officers or prison guards that puts it into the category of second degree murder.
00:32:06.360That doesn't mean, by the way, that it's unserious.
00:32:09.080It has a I think the offense in New York is like 25 years to life.
00:32:15.580So it's it's for the guy should have it.
00:32:18.860I mean, you can you can argue against the death penalty, but the guy should get either the death penalty or life without parole, not 25 years.
00:33:17.180But isn't terrorism about trying to scare the population to either vote different or change the laws to be so terrorized that they in this particular case,
00:33:28.000he was trying to send a message to the the industry.
00:33:32.620You better watch your back because there's more of me and you'll you'll get it in the end.
00:33:37.460That's terrorizing a group of people to get them to act in a way the terrorist wants them to act.
00:34:22.760There's the federal charges and the state charges.
00:34:26.520So Alvin Bragg, the New York D.A., brought the terrorism charge.
00:34:32.360I said at the time I thought he was bringing it because he knew the Justice Department wanted to charge this guy.
00:34:39.200So he wanted to make a splash like the Justice Department wanted to make a splash.
00:34:43.240The Justice Department, when the Justice Department indicted it, even though Biden is against the death penalty and the Democratic administration was against the death penalty, they indicted it as a death penalty case because they wanted to make a big to do over it.
00:34:59.660Even though, you know, if you look at the fine print, they would never impose the death penalty.
00:35:04.920They had a moratorium on the death penalty.
00:35:07.140So in order not to be out splashed, what Bragg turned around and did was indict this, what he would like 10 times out of 10 indict only as a murder case.
00:35:20.340If you could get Bragg to indict something that was actually a crime.
00:35:23.720And he decided he decided to make it a terrorism murder case so that, you know, they could compete for the headlines in the press.
00:35:34.180Unfortunately, this is kind of what happens in these in these turf battle cases.
00:35:40.180But to your point about stalking and all that stuff, the federal charges, which are the death penalty charges, include exactly what you're talking about.
00:35:50.900The fact that this guy was stalked, that it was done in a very cold blooded way.
00:35:58.080And I think actually, if he gets convicted in the federal, in the federal system, now that Trump is running the Justice Department rather than Biden, if he gets convicted on the death penalty charge, he's going to get the death penalty.
00:36:15.040Okay, so it's not like he's getting murder in the second degree and he'll be out in 25 years.
00:36:20.760The federal government is also trying him.
00:36:49.560The interesting thing about that is, under New York law, they have a very forgiving double jeopardy provision, which basically means if the feds go first, that will probably block New York State from going at all because of their expansive protection.
00:37:10.460And I think what Biden's Justice Department was willing to let Bragg go first so that they'd go second and then everybody would have a piece of this.
00:37:20.860I'm not sure that Trump's guys are going to play ball like that.
00:37:25.020Okay, so are you confident that justice will be served in this?
00:37:31.980Well, I think that, you know, look, I think if your idea is justice served, will this guy be convicted of a severe murder charge and never see the light of day again?
00:37:45.940If you believe, as I do, that if you're going to have a death penalty in the law, which our Constitution permits, if you're going to have it, he deserves it.
00:37:58.500And if he doesn't get it, he would be, you know, he'd be among a long line of people who probably deserved it and didn't get it.
00:38:07.980So I guess it depends on what your idea of justice is.
00:38:11.040But I guess if we can agree that justice is this guy never sees the light of day again, I think justice will happen here.
00:38:56.300I do think, Glenn, that this is being very aggressively investigated.
00:39:03.900By both the state authorities and continuing by the federal authorities, I heard Kash Patel,
00:39:09.760because I happened to be on television this morning and they broadcast that while I was on.
00:39:16.860And he was talking about that, how they are going through all of the social media stuff to see who may have had an inkling about this beforehand.
00:39:25.800And if there was any conspiratorial activity, they're going to go after it.
00:39:29.820Now, the chats that have come out so far that that have been reported in the last couple of days are chats in which he in which Robinson admitted to committing the homicide
00:39:44.300and told the people that he was chatting with that he had already arranged his surrender.
00:39:50.360If that's all these people knew, that is to say that he had, you know, he was confessing and he was turning himself in.
00:39:58.560Well, they might be good witnesses in terms of what his state of mind was at the at the trial of Robinson.
00:40:05.220But I don't think that implicates them in criminal misconduct.
00:40:10.440On the other hand, the feds are going to keep digging.
00:40:13.440And I assume Utah is going to keep digging.
00:40:15.820And if they find out that somebody was involved in planning this, I think those people are going to be pursued.
00:40:25.320You know, there's probably Texas would be a bad place to commit this crime.
00:40:30.160Utah, however, they have the death penalty and they use the death penalty.
00:40:35.380And and the governor who I'm not a big fan of this governor, but boy, he he has been very strong.
00:40:41.740And I think right on top of this whole thing.
00:40:43.920And he said, day one, you will get the death penalty.
00:40:54.500Well, it's deserving because if there's ever anything that's indicative
00:40:59.540of free meditation and repulsive intent, I would say this is a textbook case of that.
00:41:10.640The idea that Trump is now going to go after possibly a RICO charges for people like George Soros
00:41:19.220and, you know, organizations like that that are are pushing for a lot of the, you know, the the Antifa kind of stuff.
00:41:29.480Do you see any problems with that or is this a good idea?
00:41:33.640I just think the first thing before you get into RICO and all these, you know, RICO is a very complicated statute, even when it obviously applies.
00:41:43.200But so I think the bedrock thing they have to establish is that you are crossing the line from protected speech,
00:41:54.400a lot of which can be obnoxious speech and actual incitement to violence.
00:41:59.900And if you can get incitement to violence, you know, I didn't need RICO to prosecute the blind shape.
00:42:07.220Right. I was able to do it on incitement to violence and and that kind of stuff.
00:42:12.220Those are less complicated charges than RICO.
00:42:15.660But the big challenge in those cases, Glenn, is getting across the line into violent action as opposed to,
00:42:25.780Is there anything to the subversion of our of our nation on, you know, that you are you're intentionally subverting the United States of America?
00:42:37.500You're you're pushing for revolutionary acts.
00:42:41.380You know, there's a there's a lot of litigation that arose out of that in connection with the Cold War and the McCarran Act.
00:42:50.200And, you know, you remember all this stuff from the from the 40s and 50s forward.
00:42:55.300Yeah, I know. And I think when that stuff was initially enacted, the country was in a different place.
00:43:04.120I think when the McCarran Act was enacted, it was a consensus in the country that if someone was a member of the Communist Party,
00:43:13.140hadn't actually done anything active to seek the violent overthrow of the U.S., but mere membership in the party.
00:43:18.800I think if you ask the question in 1950, most people would have thought that was a crime.
00:43:23.620And by 1980, most people would have thought it wasn't a crime based on what the Supreme Court.
00:43:29.620Look, if you're a member of the Communist Party, you can be a member of the Communist Party.
00:43:34.800But if you are actively subverting and pushing for revolution in our country, I think that's a different I think that's a different cat all entirely.
00:43:50.680But if you have that evidence of purposeful activity and look, if you have a conspiratorial agreement between two people that contemplates the use of force, you don't need much more than that.
00:44:04.200You don't need an act of violence if you have strong enough evidence of conspiracy.
00:44:08.180But you do have to establish that they get over that line into the use of force, at least the potential use of force.