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00:00:33.560 and you're going to get a few things.

00:00:35.260 You're going to get the highlights from the show.

00:00:36.660 The Supreme Court weighing in on, you know,

00:00:39.660 what could be the end of the fourth branch of government started in 1935.

00:00:44.660 The founders, I went to George AI, and I asked what in their writings

00:00:48.740 the founding of the country would support or disagree with any of this.

00:00:52.520 It's amazing what came up and what came out of George AI.

00:00:56.020 Also, Stu, very satisfying segment on Jasmine Crockett running for the U.S. Senate.

00:01:03.080 I think we can all say, yay, unless it works out for her to actually win. 1.00

00:01:08.960 Then we're going to have to, then we're torturing Stu.

00:01:11.880 Also, Andy Ngo on the conspiracy theories that could mean no justice

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00:03:27.780 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program from Glenn AI.

00:03:30.920 I have to tell you, I have been experimenting now with Glenn AI as it is growing and getting stronger every day.

00:03:43.300 Uh, and I have to tell you what CNN said about it and everything else.

00:03:47.080 It's crazy, but I have to tell you, um, as long as you use AI as a tool and you do not lose yourself to it,

00:03:56.780 it is the greatest tool man has ever come up with.

00:04:01.720 It really is.

00:04:03.160 I mean, I, I am, I'm working on stuff for 2026 right now that I think it's going to blow your mind.

00:04:08.980 I think it'll just blow your mind is blowing my mind.

00:04:10.920 Um, and, uh, we just, we have to know that it is a tool and keep it under control, uh,

00:04:19.060 and make sure that it doesn't reflect what we want it when we're talking about truth and history,

00:04:24.600 not reflect what we want it to be, but what it actually is.

00:04:28.900 So it can help us regain our knowledge and, uh, our, our desire to learn more and more.

00:04:37.420 Um, speaking of Christmas, I think the greatest Christmas gift ever, uh, given to Stu is, uh,

00:04:44.520 Jasmine Crockett running for Senate.

00:04:46.320 Yes.

00:04:46.720 I don't think, I don't think there's anything I could have gotten you for Christmas.

00:04:50.360 You're welcome, Stu.

00:04:51.400 Thank you.

00:04:52.040 You're welcome.

00:04:52.320 It doesn't get any better than this, Glenn, you know, all the stuff that's going on and

00:04:56.580 wrong in the world, but my girl is there to rescue all of us and entertain all of us on

00:05:03.720 a day-to-day basis.

00:05:05.520 The rollout was exquisite.

00:05:08.040 Everything I could have possibly hoped for.

00:05:11.100 She's getting other candidates to drop out of the race already. 1.00

00:05:14.500 It, it is, I, you know, it is, I'm under, I'm, I'm opening presents under a Christmas

00:05:20.520 tree every single morning.

00:05:21.940 It is, it is the top.

00:05:24.340 Yeah.

00:05:24.640 Have you seen her campaign video?

00:05:26.040 Oh my God.

00:05:26.460 I love it.

00:05:27.360 Okay.

00:05:28.040 Her campaign video.

00:05:29.140 The number one response on X is this is the type of campaign video that only a low IQ

00:05:35.460 person would approve of.

00:05:40.120 Here's a, here's a bit of her, please.

00:05:42.180 Here's a, here's her, uh, video.

00:05:44.500 There are a lot of people that said, you got to stay in the house.

00:05:51.740 We need our voice.

00:05:53.560 We need you there.

00:05:56.140 And I understand, but what we need is for me to have a bigger voice.

00:06:03.260 Yeah.

00:06:03.940 Yeah.

00:06:04.360 Okay.

00:06:04.640 So that's her, that's her introducing yesterday.

00:06:07.020 Yeah.

00:06:07.520 Yeah.

00:06:07.800 I think we do also have a clip, a clip two of the actual ad and it's, I, I, I, I, I

00:06:14.180 struggle with this for everyone listening on the radio and it's, you know, it's my favorite

00:06:18.720 medium, but at certain times that you, you do need to see the visuals, uh, and associate

00:06:24.980 with this.

00:06:25.520 Can you read the text?

00:06:26.440 Um, yeah.

00:06:27.240 Mic screens are so small.

00:06:28.260 I can't see them.

00:06:28.720 Yeah.

00:06:29.020 Sure.

00:06:29.100 Well, let's play.

00:06:29.840 I, I, I, I, go ahead.

00:06:31.380 How about this new one they have, their new star, Crockett?

00:06:36.220 How about her?

00:06:37.880 She's the new star of the Democrat party, Jasmine Crockett.

00:06:41.260 They're in big trouble.

00:06:43.500 But you have this woman, Crockett.

00:06:45.380 She's a very low IQ person. 1.00

00:06:47.420 I watched her speak the other day. 0.92

00:06:49.120 She's definitely a low IQ person. 1.00

00:06:52.340 Crockett. 0.78

00:06:53.540 Oh man.

00:06:54.420 Oh man. 0.93

00:06:55.880 She's a very low IQ person. 1.00

00:06:58.180 Somebody said the other day, she's one of the leaders of the party. 0.81

00:07:02.500 I said, you got to be kidding.

00:07:04.980 Now they're going to rely on Crockett.

00:07:07.040 Crockett's going to bring him back.

00:07:09.400 Oh my gosh.

00:07:10.680 Oh my God.

00:07:11.440 I love it.

00:07:12.180 I can't even describe.

00:07:14.400 So you didn't want to interrupt to president Trump, but she's just in profile standing there

00:07:19.940 and listening.

00:07:21.260 And then she turns and she looks at the camera and she's listening.

00:07:24.900 And then she folds her arms like, I'm not going anywhere.

00:07:30.000 And then she smiles.

00:07:32.260 Oh, it's actually, actually for what she's trying to appeal to, probably pretty smart.

00:07:40.620 Making herself the number one target of Donald Trump.

00:07:44.500 That's that will do well. 1.00

00:07:45.820 Why I love her so much because everything, every stupid thing she does is perfectly incentivized 1.00

00:07:53.240 by the Democrat party. 1.00

00:07:54.300 Like they, you know, you can be a Democrat, you can be slaving away, working on healthcare

00:08:02.760 policy, trying to turn the world around from a 0.9 temperature rise in a century, all the

00:08:09.900 important things they really care about over there.

00:08:12.260 Right, sure.

00:08:12.640 And you will never get invited on a show.

00:08:17.240 You will never sit across from Stephen Colbert.

00:08:20.740 You will not have Charlemagne the God speaking your praises on every appearance when he's talking

00:08:27.260 about the Democratic Party.

00:08:28.420 And you know what they, you know who gets that?

00:08:31.180 It's her.

00:08:32.000 Her with absolutely the IQ of a bagel. 1.00

00:08:38.520 She will go out there and she will appear on every one of these shows.

00:08:43.060 And in each one of them, she will prove once and again that she knows nothing about what

00:08:47.980 she's talking about. 1.00

00:08:49.060 And she will say five impossibly stupid things. 1.00

00:08:53.440 And then she will get off the air and answer the next text for her next booking. 1.00

00:08:59.360 And it is utterly perfect.

00:09:02.700 The, the, she is the perfect encapsulation of the modern Democrat party.

00:09:06.520 And I love every second of it.

00:09:09.200 She's so entertaining.

00:09:11.240 She gives us things to talk about and to laugh about.

00:09:13.720 She brings joy into my life on a daily basis.

00:09:17.460 And I love her.

00:09:19.620 I want to apologize for the bagel comment.

00:09:23.000 We don't mean to offend Einstein, his bagels, or any of the everything bagels with that comparison.

00:09:29.260 She said nothing.

00:09:29.820 Here's her tax plan. 0.93

00:09:30.920 Can we, can we go, can we go to cut 13?

00:09:33.600 This is, this is Crockett's tax plan.

00:09:36.520 Just this past week, I saw, I don't remember which celebrity, but it was actually a celebrity.

00:09:44.300 And I was like, I don't know that that's not necessarily a bad idea, but I'd have to think

00:09:48.100 through it a lot.

00:09:48.780 One of the things that they propose is black folk not have to pay taxes for a certain amount

00:09:52.760 of time.

00:09:53.160 Because then again, that puts money back in your pocket.

00:09:56.100 But at the same time, it may not be as objectionable to some people about actually giving out dollars.

00:10:03.440 But obviously, then you start dealing with the different tax brackets and things like

00:10:06.920 that.

00:10:07.260 And that's one of the reasons that, you know, we argue the reparations make sense because

00:10:12.300 so many black folk, not only do you owe for the labor that was stolen and killed and all the other 1.00

00:10:18.780 things, right? 0.96

00:10:19.640 But the fact is, like, we end up being so far behind, right?

00:10:23.580 And so it's like, how do you bring forth people?

00:10:26.300 Exactly.

00:10:27.480 And so it's like, if you do the no tax thing, for people that are already, say, struggling

00:10:33.560 and aren't really paying taxes in the first place, it doesn't really, exactly.

00:10:38.640 They may want those.

00:10:40.520 Exactly. 0.99

00:10:42.660 I mean, this is a lunatic. 0.97

00:10:45.900 I can't, I can't even, there's no way to state how much I love this person. 0.97

00:10:49.760 Like, the fact that she would present that in a campaign in Texas as a legitimate idea

00:10:57.880 that just black people stop paying taxes, it's, if you put it on a sketch comedy show, 0.99

00:11:04.600 like, people would die laughing at it. 0.95

00:11:07.200 And she's presenting it as a serious issue and being rewarded from the person she's interviewing

00:11:12.420 who's nodding the entire time as if that's constitutional in any way or possible in any

00:11:18.680 way, or it would be appealing to Texas voters in any way.

00:11:23.120 I, oh gosh, she's the best.

00:11:25.820 So, Stu, she's being interviewed by somebody who doesn't understand that when she talks,

00:11:31.420 she has to move the microphone back towards her mouth. 1.00

00:11:35.000 I mean, so it's not.

00:11:36.020 Glenn, give her a break. 1.00

00:11:37.320 I'm surprised she wasn't holding it upside down.

00:11:38.960 I don't think there's a rocket scientist.

00:11:39.260 I wouldn't have been surprised if the entire interview was done with it not plugged in.

00:11:46.680 I mean, it's like, the fact that you could hear her at all is a miracle.

00:11:52.280 She's like, oh yes, I absolutely think that, you know, only tax, tax rates by race has just

00:11:59.600 been proposed in a state like Texas, a red state, you know, that occasionally can produce

00:12:07.380 a relatively close race.

00:12:09.260 But here's the wonderful thing, not with her, not with her in the race. 0.99

00:12:14.500 I don't know who's going to win the primary in the Republican side.

00:12:17.120 I have preferences there.

00:12:18.860 But what I will say is it seems to me legitimately impossible that a person with these sorts of

00:12:27.060 crazy ideas could possibly win a state like Texas.

00:12:29.940 Look at what happened in Canada when, when, when Donald Trump interjects himself into something,

00:12:38.560 it doesn't matter.

00:12:40.040 I mean, Canada, the Canadians, they had that thing sewn up. 0.98

00:12:43.300 The conservatives are going to win.

00:12:45.360 That's true.

00:12:46.020 And then he said, 50 sec, you know, you need to be a 51st state.

00:12:49.920 He was joking.

00:12:50.920 Then he just kept joking and they didn't take it as a joke.

00:12:54.260 But people hate him so much that that's why her, that's why her spot, her commercial is

00:13:02.860 so effective.

00:13:04.140 I think so.

00:13:05.020 Brilliant.

00:13:05.780 She doesn't talk.

00:13:07.100 She doesn't say anything.

00:13:08.740 There's no policy.

00:13:10.000 There's nothing.

00:13:10.600 It's just her being a strong black woman against Donald Trump. 0.99

00:13:14.100 Who is calling her in many places.

00:13:17.040 Yes.

00:13:17.640 That's all that's required.

00:13:18.580 Many places.

00:13:19.280 That is all that was required.

00:13:20.780 One of those places is not Texas.

00:13:22.780 And that's, I think, the issue.

00:13:24.260 Here in Canada, your baseline is they hate Donald Trump.

00:13:28.800 And it's, you know, probably 70, 75 percent of Canadians have a negative view of Donald

00:13:34.940 Trump.

00:13:35.260 And when, you know, he's not in the race, the people who are maybe left leaning but would

00:13:41.520 consider conservatives in Canada if the possibility presents itself that things are going so poorly

00:13:49.440 that they want to switch from a Trudeau, you know, and that sort of arrangement.

00:13:53.120 That is something where Donald Trump steps in and kind of like slaps the Democrat back

00:14:00.860 into their world where they're like, wait a minute.

00:14:03.220 No, I hate him.

00:14:04.000 And if he likes the conservative, I don't want that person.

00:14:06.800 That's true.

00:14:07.680 Very effective in Canada.

00:14:08.940 And Texas and Texas does not have the same kind of problems that like New York has.

00:14:14.340 Texas, you're not, you don't have the same.

00:14:16.120 Texas is growing jobs.

00:14:18.160 People are moving in.

00:14:19.680 Housing is expensive, et cetera.

00:14:21.340 But why is housing expensive?

00:14:22.660 Not Donald Trump.

00:14:23.400 It's not the economy.

00:14:24.080 It's that California has moved to Texas.

00:14:26.880 Same thing with Florida.

00:14:27.940 Why is it so expensive?

00:14:28.960 Because New York has given up on New York and is moving to Florida.

00:14:32.680 Florida.

00:14:33.120 Yeah.

00:14:33.600 So the jobs are being created.

00:14:35.820 And so maybe, maybe that will, hopefully that will go the way because otherwise I'm

00:14:43.080 going to have to fire you, Stu.

00:14:44.160 What do you mean?

00:14:44.620 Because you're bringing her, you're bringing her to the table.

00:14:47.700 If she wins, and I don't think she's going to.

00:14:49.460 No one's ever going to talk to me again. 0.95

00:14:51.540 Oh, I'm going to hate you. 0.99

00:14:52.500 Yes. 0.78

00:14:52.960 And it will be legitimate.

00:14:54.240 I will say, I do worry because I think the Democrats had a very similar take on Donald

00:14:59.060 Trump in 2015.

00:15:00.520 So I will say, I am very nervous about my take here, but I'm being honest with you.

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00:16:34.880 Okay, so President Donald Trump fired the Federal Trade Commissioner, Rebecca Slaughter. 0.94

00:16:43.820 Federal Trade Commission is an administrative position.

00:16:49.580 This is under, I mean, the head of the Federal Trade Commission sits as a cabinet member.

00:16:56.400 And if the, the justices uphold Trump's firing of slaughter, that will overturn a precedent

00:17:04.900 that was horrible, that was set in 1935.

00:17:07.340 Remember, 1935, we're flirting with fascism.

00:17:10.820 You know, everybody thinks, because they haven't seen the horrors of fascism yet.

00:17:14.880 Everybody thinks fascism is neat, blah, blah, blah.

00:17:17.280 And so what, what they do is they, they say that this is an independent person and the

00:17:24.820 president can't fire them because, uh, they're, you know, independent agency.

00:17:29.960 Well, wait, that would make a fourth branch of government.

00:17:32.980 Our constitution is really clear.

00:17:34.720 There is no such thing as a fourth branch of government, right?

00:17:38.580 So that's what they're deciding.

00:17:40.200 Now here's Ketanji, uh, uh, Brown Jackson, who is, uh, talking about how we really need

00:17:47.680 to listen to the experts cut for because presidents have accepted that there could be both, uh, an

00:17:54.340 understanding of Congress and the presidency, that it is in the best interest of the American

00:17:59.680 people to have certain kinds of issues handled by experts who, and I think you were in your

00:18:06.780 colloquy with justice Kagan, you identified the fact that these boards are not only experts,

00:18:12.200 but they're also nonpartisan.

00:18:14.200 So that's the seats are actually distributed in such a way that we are presumably eliminating

00:18:20.600 political influence because we're trying to get to science and data and actual facts related

00:18:27.640 to how these decisions are made.

00:18:29.660 And so the real risk, I think of allowing non, uh, of allowing these kinds of decisions to

00:18:36.520 be made by the president of saying, everybody can just be removed when I come in is that

00:18:40.980 we're going to get away from those very important policy considerations.

00:18:44.920 It will get away from those policy considerations and it will create opportunities for all kinds

00:18:51.000 of problems that Congress and prior presidents wanted to avoid risks that flow inevitably, just

00:18:56.320 given human nature, the realities of the world that we live in.

00:18:59.940 Mm hmm.

00:19:01.560 Okay.

00:19:02.520 Now, remember what she's saying here is we have to have experts.

00:19:07.120 We have to have experts that don't really answer to anybody.

00:19:11.040 Okay.

00:19:11.720 They're appointed and then they're just there.

00:19:15.540 This from a quote, judicial expert who cannot define a woman because she's not a doctor.

00:19:23.900 She's not a scientist.

00:19:25.440 She needs an expert to define a woman. 1.00

00:19:30.040 That's how insane her thinking is. 0.90

00:19:33.140 Okay.

00:19:33.960 Now, I just like to ask the Supreme court when you want things run by experts, do you mean

00:19:41.860 things like the state department or the council of foreign relations that have gotten us into

00:19:47.840 these endless wars for a hundred years?

00:19:50.360 Cause these are the things that Woodrow Wilson wanted.

00:19:53.780 He wanted the country run by experts.

00:19:57.000 Okay.

00:19:57.880 So is it like the council of foreign relations that keeps getting us in these endless wars?

00:20:02.360 Or is it more like the fed that directs our fiscal policy that has driven, you know, us

00:20:08.920 into, well, $38 trillion of debt.

00:20:12.820 We have all powerful banks that strangely all belong to the fed and endless bailouts for those

00:20:19.120 banks.

00:20:19.440 Are those are the experts that you're talking about, or are you talking about the kind of experts

00:20:23.160 that are doctors that gave the country sterilizations, lobotomies, transgender surgeries, you know,

00:20:30.940 or should we listen to the experts like the ones that are now speaking in Illinois to get us death

00:20:38.460 on demand like Canada has with their maid, uh, assisted suicide, which is now the third largest killer in 0.70

00:20:45.680 Canada, maid assisted suicide, third largest killer in Canada.

00:20:51.180 Experts are saying we now need it here and they're pushing for it in Illinois.

00:20:55.000 Or should we listen to the experts?

00:20:58.380 And I think many of them are the same experts, strangely, that brought us COVID.

00:21:04.480 Uh, yeah, that was an expert thing.

00:21:06.300 They were trying to protect us because they need to do this for our protection.

00:21:09.940 So direct from the labs in China with the help of the American experts like Fauci, we almost, uh, put the

00:21:17.840 world out.

00:21:18.980 Should we listen to those guys or, or the experts that brought us masking and home Depot is absolutely

00:21:25.720 safe, but ACE hardware wants to kill grandma, which are the experts that we want, that we want to make

00:21:31.840 sure that we have in our life that they don't answer or can't be fired by anybody.

00:21:37.180 I just, I, because I'm pretty full up on the experts myself.

00:21:40.400 I don't know, but you know, you're right.

00:21:43.320 The, these experts would keep the president in check and they would keep Congress in check

00:21:48.020 and you in check in the Supreme court, which would be really great, you know, and you know

00:21:52.920 who else they keep in check the people.

00:21:56.240 So, wow, it seems like we would just be a nation run by experts and our constitution would

00:22:01.700 be out the window because that's a fourth branch.

00:22:05.480 And if you don't believe me that, uh, you know, these experts never pay a price, can you

00:22:11.300 name a single expert, give me a name of an expert that gave us any of the things that

00:22:17.320 I just told you about, give me the name, give me, I mean, give me the name of one of them.

00:22:23.060 Give me the name of one of them that went to jail.

00:22:25.780 Give me the name of one expert that has been discredited, you know, where your name is going

00:22:31.320 to be mud in this town. 0.69

00:22:33.740 Do you know where that came from? 0.89

00:22:35.300 Your name is going to be mud. 0.75

00:22:36.640 It's not M U D it's M U D D. It comes from Dr.

00:22:41.240 Samuel mud.

00:22:42.700 Okay.

00:22:43.100 He was a doxter.

00:22:44.140 He was an expert.

00:22:45.280 He was the guy, uh, that set John Wilkes booths broken leg.

00:22:50.120 He made crutches.

00:22:51.300 He let him stay there for a while.

00:22:52.980 He claimed he didn't know him, but he did know him.

00:22:55.360 In fact, they, you know, one of the reasons why they proved it is because when he pulled

00:22:58.720 the boots off, which he pulled both of his boots off right there in the back, you couldn't

00:23:01.980 have missed it.

00:23:02.560 It said John Wilkes booth.

00:23:04.020 He's like, I had no idea who he was.

00:23:05.760 Yeah.

00:23:06.220 Well, you knew him in advance.

00:23:08.300 This was a predetermined, uh, outpost where he could stay.

00:23:11.940 And it's clear.

00:23:13.100 You knew him.

00:23:13.720 The guy was so discredited.

00:23:15.540 We still use his name today.

00:23:18.160 Your name will be mud in this town. 0.90

00:23:20.820 And we think that it's like dirt mixed with water kind of mud.

00:23:24.780 No, it's M U D D Dr.

00:23:26.940 Mud, the expert that was so discredited, went to jail, paid for his part of the assassination

00:23:34.080 of, of Lincoln.

00:23:36.460 Give me the name of one of the experts in the last 100 years that has brought us any of

00:23:43.640 the trials and tribulations, the things that have almost brought us to our knees.

00:23:47.680 Give me the name of one of them.

00:23:52.300 Can't because once you have an expert class, they don't answer to anyone.

00:23:58.940 So they never go to jail.

00:24:02.280 Wow.

00:24:03.060 Doesn't that sound familiar?

00:24:05.080 People never going to jail.

00:24:09.220 So what the Supreme Court is weighing now is whether the founders thought they, you know,

00:24:17.480 had, uh, something the founders thought they had settled forever.

00:24:20.820 You know, can the elected president elected by the people remove the people's unelected rulers

00:24:29.000 or those Kings?

00:24:30.420 Have we quietly granted power to a fourth branch of government, a branch that no one voted for,

00:24:37.920 no one can fire, and no one can hold accountable.

00:24:40.500 The answer is yes.

00:24:43.480 Now, the case about the FTC isn't just about one commissioner or one firing.

00:24:49.840 This is about whether the American people still own their government and their life,

00:24:55.460 whether the government has slipped its leash.

00:24:58.160 We've warned about this forever as it slipped its leash, or are we going to, are we going

00:25:05.380 to now take the constitution and put the government back in the chains that are owned by the people?

00:25:11.580 Madison warned that power cloaked in expertise and shielded from the people would someday become

00:25:18.960 the very definition of tyranny.

00:25:20.860 Okay.

00:25:21.020 Those are his words.

00:25:22.500 I was amazed.

00:25:23.720 I started looking at George AI and I'm looking, you know, what would the founders say about this?

00:25:27.640 And what's in the federalist papers there?

00:25:30.200 There's nothing in the federalist papers that actually, uh, speak directly to this case.

00:25:38.300 However, Madison warned in the federalist papers that quote power cloaked in expertise and shielded

00:25:44.640 from the people would someday become the very definition of tyranny.

00:25:47.320 I don't know.

00:25:48.340 It seems pretty clear to me.

00:25:50.240 It's the same thing.

00:25:52.580 Hamilton argued that executive power must be vested in one elected president.

00:25:58.000 So the people know who's responsible, who to praise, who to blame and who to punish.

00:26:03.580 So the answer is really super clear.

00:26:08.020 Okay.

00:26:08.920 Leaders answer to the consent of the governed.

00:26:11.700 In other words, you get to vote them out.

00:26:13.800 Now, what happens to that system when an independent agency wields the power to regulate business, punish citizens, rewrite the economic rules, effectively legislate?

00:26:28.100 Yet the president, the only officer elected by the people, cannot remove those people in charge.

00:26:33.860 That doesn't sound like a government of the people and by the people.

00:26:39.280 That's not independence.

00:26:41.040 That's insulation.

00:26:42.920 That is the birth of something entirely new, an unaccountable power center, a fourth branch of government.

00:26:52.680 All of the branches have checks and balances.

00:26:55.680 They all check on each other.

00:26:57.560 Okay.

00:26:57.780 So none of them can get out of control.

00:26:59.340 But if there's a fourth branch and no one can fire them, how are they not the all-powerful branch?

00:27:08.340 America has filled the government with tons of these people.

00:27:13.060 The FTC, the SEC, the NLRB, the CFPB.

00:27:20.780 Do you even know what those are?

00:27:22.560 These are fiefdoms of power.

00:27:24.320 They make the rules, they enforce the rules, they adjudicate disputes, they punish violations, and they do it without ever standing for election, without ever answering to you.

00:27:38.740 And if this stands, without any meaningful presidential oversight, you don't have a country that responds to you at all.

00:27:52.180 The founders would have looked at this structure and said, you've created exactly what we designed the Constitution to prevent, a government within the government, a bureaucracy above the ballot box, a system where experts rule because they believe they know better than the people.

00:28:12.960 Look, if this were so constitutional, if this was the right thing to do, why did Woodrow Wilson work so hard and the progressives work so hard from the 1900s, late 1800s, 1900s, to about 1935 to get it done?

00:28:29.200 Why didn't they just do it?

00:28:31.140 Because at that time, people knew the Constitution and they knew you couldn't do it.

00:28:35.920 And yes, there is a place for expertise, but there is no place in the American system for unaccountable authority.

00:28:46.500 The argument being made in court now by the defenders of this administrative state is unbelievable.

00:28:54.080 They say if we allow the president to remove any of these officials, he might replace them with people he trusts, loyalists.

00:29:03.440 Okay, that means the presidency is the problem.

00:29:05.920 No, I'm sorry.

00:29:07.940 That means the will of the voters is the danger.

00:29:11.640 Get that?

00:29:12.460 It's not the president.

00:29:14.080 It's you.

00:29:15.640 Take Trump out of this.

00:29:18.420 Well, the president, if he can fire people, if he can fire people that are making laws, enforcing laws that don't answer to anyone, if he can do that, that means you can vote for a president and say to him, 0.98

00:29:34.820 I want this crap to stop, I want this crap to stop, what is this? 0.97

00:29:37.460 These people don't answer to anybody. 1.00

00:29:39.040 I don't even know who's making the rules.

00:29:41.200 And if he can fire them, then the government answers to you.

00:29:44.760 But if he can't fire them, they don't have to worry about elections.

00:29:50.300 As if democracy has to be shielded from the people.

00:29:54.120 And you know that's exactly what progressives believe.

00:29:57.580 That argument exposes the rift in our worldview.

00:30:03.300 One side believes that sovereignty begins with a citizen.

00:30:06.840 It belongs to you.

00:30:08.240 The other believes sovereignty belongs to the bureaucracy.

00:30:12.580 And the citizen is an inconvenience that has to be managed.

00:30:16.680 This is the argument.

00:30:18.800 It's been going on for over 100 years.

00:30:20.580 So, this is what we have to decide.

00:30:25.260 The truth is really, really simple.

00:30:27.480 You cannot have executive power without executive accountability.

00:30:31.800 And if accountability disappears, liberty disappears right after it.

00:30:37.340 Even Chief Justice Roberts called the old precedent a New Deal artifact that is a dried husk.

00:30:45.200 Even that guy knows.

00:30:48.380 Because the world that created it is gone.

00:30:52.800 The administrative state that grew out of it is now something the founders would have seen as a threat to the republic itself.

00:30:59.660 We know what fascism does.

00:31:01.980 It's bad.

00:31:03.200 And that's the beginning of fascism.

00:31:05.080 That's why it came out in 1935.

00:31:08.780 The justices asked a really critical question.

00:31:11.860 If Congress can invent more of these agencies, give them long terms, shield them from removal, and then turn them loose on the American people,

00:31:20.300 what stops Congress from turning the executive branch into a museum piece?

00:31:26.280 Right?

00:31:27.240 Just a powerless showpiece.

00:31:29.300 The real rulers will operate behind thick glass and procedural walls.

00:31:33.660 Right?

00:31:34.320 And the answer to that question is nothing.

00:31:36.700 Nothing but the Constitution.

00:31:39.760 Now the question is, do we have the courage to still enforce it?

00:31:46.760 Do we have the understanding of the Constitution to insist that happens?

00:31:51.720 This is not about Donald Trump.

00:31:54.420 This is not about any single commissioner.

00:31:57.060 It's about whether the American experiment still remembers its first principles.

00:32:01.600 If sovereignty flows from the people, then the people must be able to correct the system.

00:32:07.400 But if government power is placed beyond your reach, beyond accountability, beyond elections, then you are no longer sovereign.

00:32:16.660 You are simply a subject managed by experts, ruled by committees, supervised by a permanent clerical class whose careers outlast everybody you've ever voted for.

00:32:28.020 That's not a republic.

00:32:29.400 That's an empire of administrators.

00:32:31.360 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:32:41.920 So I want to tell you how investigations go.

00:32:44.700 Okay?

00:32:45.220 This is how an investigation goes.

00:32:47.840 Something happens, and police and federal officials get everybody into a room, and they say,

00:32:54.360 All right, what do we know?

00:32:56.060 What evidence do we have?

00:32:57.620 What do we know about what just happened?

00:33:00.940 Is there anything that this evidence is saying it leads to?

00:33:05.360 Or what could, what should we be looking at?

00:33:09.640 Is there anything that is off the beaten path that we should look at?

00:33:15.800 For instance, an inside job, foreign influence.

00:33:18.920 Is there anything like that?

00:33:21.280 Then, after that conversation, you make a list of all those things, and you say, Okay, here's the plan.

00:33:27.700 I want you, you, you to look at that.

00:33:29.440 I want you, you, and you to look at that.

00:33:31.200 I want you to go out, everybody, go out, divide this list up, bring back what you can.

00:33:36.600 If somebody has some evidence that leads us to believe anything, these are correct, get it to me right away.

00:33:42.560 We'll then direct our resources and focus them some more.

00:33:46.580 As the investigations move, you find evidence, and some ideas are scratched off.

00:33:53.940 Other ideas are pursued until you have the person.

00:33:57.660 Let me talk to you about Charlie Kirk.

00:33:59.380 When Charlie Kirk died, within hours, I received a phone call.

00:34:03.120 And I and my team were briefed that I, Tucker Carlson, and Megyn Kelly were possibly on a foreign terrorist hit list.

00:34:16.720 And that we might be targets.

00:34:20.340 And that we should take all precautions until they could rule this out.

00:34:24.940 Okay?

00:34:25.600 That's what happened.

00:34:26.860 We were targets, possibly, of a foreign hit list.

00:34:32.840 Take the precautions until we can rule that out.

00:34:37.700 We understood that.

00:34:39.100 I called Megyn Kelly immediately.

00:34:41.620 I shared with her.

00:34:42.560 We started, my security team was working with her to make sure that she was secure.

00:34:48.140 Tucker was secure.

00:34:49.120 Everybody is fine.

00:34:51.020 And they ruled that out.

00:34:52.340 Within a couple of days, they ruled that out.

00:34:54.500 About three days later.

00:34:55.900 Okay.

00:34:56.160 I don't think there was a conspiracy.

00:34:59.700 I think they were being wise and saying there might be something going on.

00:35:04.140 Until we can rule it out, you guys need to stay safe so we don't have another one of these.

00:35:09.120 Got it.

00:35:09.860 I appreciate them thinking of that.

00:35:12.440 I appreciate them exploring that option.

00:35:15.400 But once you have that on and you're pursuing that, you have a team pursuing that.

00:35:20.200 When you find that that's not true, you scratch it off.

00:35:22.680 Once it's scratched off, normal people understand that's an investigation.

00:35:30.520 That's how it works.

00:35:31.560 But there's all of these conspiracies now that were on, you know, on the list of things to check.

00:35:38.980 That once they were disproven and checked off and like, okay, that's not happening.

00:35:42.780 It's not that.

00:35:44.400 Conspiracy people are keeping those things on the list and saying, why didn't they do that?

00:35:48.700 See, they knew.

00:35:49.500 They knew.

00:35:49.960 But they're hiding it.

00:35:50.820 No.

00:35:52.080 No, that's not the way it works.

00:35:53.940 That's not the way it works.

00:35:55.280 And here's what I'm really afraid of.

00:35:58.100 And Andy Ngo has just written a column that is absolutely dead on.

00:36:05.020 Conspiracy theories might sabotage justice for Charlie Kirk.

00:36:09.200 This is the thing I worry about.

00:36:12.400 Are we going to have justice?

00:36:14.320 Have we tainted the jury pool so much that you're not going to get anybody to believe anything anymore?

00:36:21.500 Andy Ngo joins me now.

00:36:22.880 Andy, thank you so much for coming on.

00:36:25.760 My pleasure.

00:36:26.840 Thanks for having me on.

00:36:29.020 So what caused you to write this?

00:36:33.860 My frustration with how, I'll just be direct.

00:36:41.040 I think the podcasting space has been praised a lot in recent years because it's opened up discussions for people who have been shut out, ideas that have been shut out.

00:36:52.460 But I think we're now seeing the dark side that can come with that when kind of anything can go and that clickbait and perhaps financial motives may be at the forefront of the minds of some unethical podcasters.

00:37:12.920 And in the case of the Charlie Kirk assassination, he was somebody I knew personally.

00:37:20.400 I know you knew him.

00:37:21.540 And so it disturbed me to see conspiracy theories go so viral.

00:37:29.140 And for people to treat it as if it was just like this is okay to be a sideshow, just to have discussions.

00:37:39.620 When there's an open investigation and the conspiracy theories that are being propagated are meant to not just ask questions.

00:37:49.680 This isn't just about asking questions, it's about actually planting seeds of doubt into people's minds about the integrity of the entire investigation, even though they know very little about it.

00:38:01.520 And what's worse is impugning the reputations of people that Charlie loved, clearly, with suggestions and innuendos of misconduct or even worse.

00:38:18.400 So I had to speak out, I could no longer sit back and, you know, I spent my entire entire journalism career writing about the violence of the far left and Antifa.

00:38:30.160 And I saw that all of the focus that had been on that temporarily after Charlie's murder was, nobody was discussing that anymore.

00:38:42.080 And it's a real threat.

00:38:44.760 And so the threat of left-wing violence had been completely diverted into nonsense. 0.64

00:38:53.020 I really have to emphasize the nonsense.

00:38:55.000 All these threads that people think they're pulling have led to nothing.

00:38:58.960 And instead of realizing that they're wrong, they double down and say that lack of evidence is evidence for something else.

00:39:10.480 And so, like, this can't continue, you know.

00:39:13.520 And the danger of it really is it may be really difficult in a year's time or year's time to find a jury pool that's not tainted by all of these conspiracy theories and lies that have been propagated now for months.

00:39:34.940 And you're seeing, you know, ex-Elon Musk, I tell you, I don't know if we'd have a country today if it wasn't for what Elon Musk has done to Twitter.

00:39:46.760 But, you know, he started saying, this is where this is coming from.

00:39:51.720 This is a bot and it's out of Russia or wherever.

00:39:55.340 And so you're starting to see the foreign influence.

00:39:57.960 But a lot of these conspiracy theories, they are being hyped up by bots and by foreign actors that do not wish us well.

00:40:08.180 And it doesn't seem like what's happening is, like you, I'm not afraid of questions.

00:40:14.200 I embrace questions.

00:40:15.600 We should ask honest, honest questions.

00:40:18.580 And we should not be afraid to ask honest questions.

00:40:24.720 The problem is, as you said, we're not just asking questions now.

00:40:29.840 We are now dividing ourselves.

00:40:32.020 If you don't agree with the question or the answer that they want to provide for that question, then you somehow or another are an enemy that has sold out.

00:40:46.000 That's that's extraordinarily dangerous and doesn't seem to be coming from any place.

00:40:51.880 Good.

00:40:52.260 I mean, it it it screams for an actor or somebody who wants to destroy America and the Republic.

00:41:00.740 Does it not?

00:41:02.840 Yes, I've been receiving a lot of hate messages since publishing my writing.

00:41:08.200 I've been so-called compromised that I'm being paid to say these narratives.

00:41:13.240 And I don't know, this, this is poison that's been put into the minds of the right, the like the audiences of the podcast, right?

00:41:23.340 And it's, you can see how it's eating away at this movement is breaking apart this brief moment of unity we had after we came together in unity after the assassination.

00:41:37.720 And if you give me a moment, I would like to address sort of some of the biggest misconceptions I see about the investigation.

00:41:47.820 So, one, a lot of people think that there's some evidence of a federal conspiracy because a Utah County judge had issued a gag order.

00:41:57.340 If you read the, the gag order, and by the way, this is not a federal case, it's being handled by the state of Utah prosecutors in Utah County, but by the way, so all this focus on feds, this feds, that people are misinformed.

00:42:13.760 So, the judge, Judge Tony Graff had issued a gag order on witnesses who had been identified in the case, investigators, counsel, obviously, from making extrajudicial statements, because he wants to keep control of the case from it turning into a whole circus.

00:42:34.880 Like, do people not remember what happened in the case of Derek Chauvin, the officer in Minneapolis who was accused of killing George Floyd?

00:42:46.180 Like, there was no gag order on that, and that was a complete, I do not think that that trial was fair, given that level of media saturation and how out of hand it got.

00:43:00.400 And so, the judge was really wise to put this gag order on.

00:43:05.260 You can't have, you know, investigators or potential witnesses going out to media and making a whole bunch of comments that would bias one party or the other in an ongoing case.

00:43:18.320 Another misconception is people are saying, why aren't the SBI releasing more information?

00:43:24.500 Why haven't they since September?

00:43:25.860 Well, a suspect was in custody within less than 48 hours of the murder, and it's in the pre-trial phase now.

00:43:35.520 And the process leading up to the trial, and the trial itself, is sacred.

00:43:41.680 And I think our civic education in the United States has really failed the public.

00:43:45.720 They don't seem to understand that.

00:43:47.180 They think that, you know, the evidence should be released as soon as it comes out, everything and anything can come out.

00:43:56.380 Like, no.

00:43:57.520 Like, investigators don't release that because this type of stuff goes to the accused's side, and then, of course, to the prosecutors.

00:44:08.000 And you keep that evidence preserved so that it's not going to push the public in one way or the other to be biased in any particular way.

00:44:18.580 And so there's just the ignorance, I would say, about how criminal investigations and the criminal justice system works in the U.S.,

00:44:27.580 and there are podcasters who are really exploiting that and thinking that there's something there when there's nothing for a number of accusations that they've lobbied.

00:44:39.180 Andy, you're not for, I mean, I hope that this trial, when it comes, is put on television.

00:44:50.040 I think the people have a right to see the trial.

00:44:53.560 We don't need, we don't have a right to see everything leading up to the trial, but we do have a right to see the trial, like we did with O.J. Simpson.

00:45:00.760 Would you agree with that?

00:45:01.560 I think, given the public interest, the international interest in this case, that it's for the best for it to be reported so that the public can see.

00:45:20.000 Otherwise, only a very, very small number of people who can make it physically inside the courtroom.

00:45:25.300 And I don't think that that would be for the interest of justice, in my opinion.

00:45:30.260 No.

00:45:31.560 And it wouldn't be healthy for the republic.

00:45:33.080 We must be transparent in everything we can be.

00:45:38.840 But when it comes to the trial, that should be completely transparent, because that is how our system works.

00:45:45.140 That's the verified information on both sides, and we should be able to judge that one way or another.

00:45:52.840 And I personally think that's critical, and I hope that Utah is making the decision, or will make the decision,

00:45:59.620 to make sure that that is seen by everybody.

00:46:02.400 But I stand with you, Andy.

00:46:04.580 I mean, I've heard so many things about me lately, about how I'm just taking money from Jews, which is crazy.

00:46:13.140 I wish I knew where all that money was going, because I'd like to spend it, especially around Christmas time.

00:46:21.160 But it's amazing to me how I was on the list, possibly, if there was any foreign terrorists, except they're making the case that it was the foreign terrorists were actually Israel.

00:46:37.420 Why would they kill somebody who they were supposedly paying?

00:46:41.200 I mean, it takes two seconds of logic and realize, okay, well, that was a theory, and that just didn't work out.

00:46:48.600 That's not true.

00:46:49.460 None of that is true.

00:46:51.940 Andy, what do you think needs to be done from here?

00:46:56.240 What do people like you, me, and others need to do?

00:47:04.980 Podcasters, I think, have a responsibility to be ethical in their work.

00:47:10.280 I mean, the reason why new media, while there's been so much support for it, and when it became a thing that emerged,

00:47:19.380 is we saw the deficiencies in legacy media or mainstream media, and I just asked, like, what's the point of independent or new media

00:47:30.540 if the content that is being produced by those with very powerful voices is slop and junk?

00:47:38.480 Like, this whole space exists because we want better content that is more informative, accurate, and honest.

00:47:48.500 But you're not calling for a ban of anyone, are you?

00:47:53.700 No, I'm not.

00:47:55.360 I'm calling for people to recognize that there's that responsibility really matters,

00:48:02.480 and I'm concerned that those people who are fully independent, who are not accountable to any editors,

00:48:09.740 do not center ethics at the forefront of their works.

00:48:15.060 Like, that really has to sort of exist on a personal level, and it's how I conduct my work.

00:48:23.260 I'm independent, and I think older podcasters who are wiser, have experience, knowledge about how the criminal justice system can work,

00:48:33.860 can hopefully try to inform the public about this is a really slow and long process,

00:48:40.660 and it's not going to be like a true crime new episode every week where here's the latest updates.

00:48:46.760 And people have been watching so much TV that they have that expectation.

00:48:51.320 I know, I know.

00:48:53.460 Andy, that's why I had you on today, because I wanted to make sure people heard this,

00:48:56.700 because your article is spot on, Conspiracy Theories Might Sabotage Justice for Charlie Kirk.

00:49:01.280 Andy Ngo is the journalist.

00:49:02.480 He is also the author of Unmask Inside, Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy.

00:49:07.880 It's a fantastic book.

00:49:09.240 Everybody should read it.

00:49:10.220 Andy, I thank you for all of your hard work over the years.

00:49:12.680 Nananana.

00:49:15.120 Nananana.

00:49:16.340 Nanana.

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