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00:00:30.000 Hey, on today's podcast, President Trump addresses the wealthy elites at Davos.

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00:02:22.920 You're listening to The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:02:27.400 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:02:29.280 Welcome.

00:02:31.520 We've got a lot to cover today.

00:02:33.480 And, of course, we just can't wait to get to the Oscar nominations.

00:02:37.760 Oh, yes, we can.

00:02:38.940 Let me give you a couple of things.

00:02:42.320 From the Davos meeting yesterday, President Trump spoke at Davos.

00:02:48.700 He talked about the revolution of common sense and confronting the economic chaos, which we covered yesterday.

00:02:53.880 And then he talked about what he did on day one, which was he cut the ridiculous, and I'm quoting, wasteful Green New Deal, which he calls a scam, withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord, ended the insane and costly electric vehicle mandate.

00:03:11.400 And he said he's begun the largest deregulation campaign in history.

00:03:17.180 So let's pick it up right after that.

00:03:20.460 Trump at Davos cut 10.

00:03:23.160 Here's why companies, he said, should come to America.

00:03:26.100 To further unleash our economy, our majorities in the House and Senate, which we also took along with the presidency, are going to pass the largest tax cut in American history, including massive tax cuts for workers and family and big tax cuts for domestic producers and manufacturers.

00:03:46.240 And we're working with the Democrats on getting an extension of the original Trump tax cuts, as you probably know, by just reading any paper.

00:03:56.940 My message to every business in the world is very simple.

00:04:00.460 Come make your product in America and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on Earth.

00:04:06.940 We're bringing them down very substantially, even from the original Trump tax cuts.

00:04:12.740 But if you don't make your product in America, which is your prerogative, then very simply, you will have to pay a tariff, differing amounts, but a tariff which will direct hundreds of billions of dollars and even trillions of dollars into our Treasury to strengthen our economy and pay down debt.

00:04:30.380 Under the Trump administration, there will be no better place on Earth to create jobs, build factories or grow a company than right here in the good old USA.

00:04:40.920 Already, Americans, economic, you can see this, I think, maybe even in your in your wonderful, wonderful room that you're all gathered together.

00:04:50.000 So many of my friends, but Americans, the economic confidence is soaring like we haven't seen in many, many decades, maybe not at all.

00:04:59.240 Upon my election, it was just announced that small business optimism skyrocketed by 41 points in a single month.

00:05:07.520 That's the highest ever.

00:05:08.980 There's never been anything like that.

00:05:11.380 So he's right about that.

00:05:13.840 And he is he is carrot and stick.

00:05:16.380 Come to America, build your products, which is not something the World Economic Forum had been concentrating before.

00:05:24.700 He also talked about the Green New Deal, saying we need three times the energy just for A.I.

00:05:32.640 So we're going to be making energy.

00:05:34.900 We are unleashing the Kraken when it comes to energy.

00:05:40.500 He also said something about bringing American America back and ending the border chaos.

00:05:48.980 This is cut 12 America is back and open for business.

00:05:53.440 And this week, I'm also taking swift action to stop the invasion at our southern border.

00:05:59.240 They allowed people to come in at levels that nobody's ever seen before. 0.86

00:06:02.980 It was ridiculous.

00:06:03.800 I decided a and declared to to to do and very, very importantly, a national emergency on our border immediately halted all entry of illegal border crossers, of which there were many, and began promptly returning the illegal trespassers back to the place from which they came.

00:06:23.320 That action, as you've probably seen, has already started very strongly, have deployed active duty U.S. military and National Guard troops to the border to assist in repelling the invasion.

00:06:36.440 It was really an invasion.

00:06:38.340 We will not allow our territory to be violated after four long years.

00:06:43.800 The United States is strong and sovereign and a beautiful nation.

00:06:48.380 Once again, it's a strong, sovereign nation.

00:06:51.700 Strong, sovereign nation.

00:06:56.160 Who is receiving that message?

00:07:00.600 Who's that aimed toward?

00:07:05.620 He's speaking to the leaders of the world at the World Economic Forum.

00:07:10.600 But these are the same leaders of the world that have been pushing for loss of sovereignty.

00:07:17.200 They've been pushing all of these illegals all throughout Europe. 1.00

00:07:22.220 Well, Europe, the Europeans, they don't like it. 0.81

00:07:26.260 That's what's causing the uproar and so many of the elections that they are now trying to control because people are saying, I want my country.

00:07:35.400 I believe in my country as it is.

00:07:38.280 I don't want to lose all of my traditions and my history, and I don't want it to be an Islamic country, period. 1.00

00:07:44.760 And so people are starting to rise up.

00:07:47.200 This is a shot across the bow.

00:07:49.860 This is not delivered just to the leadership.

00:07:53.980 We're not playing that game anymore.

00:07:56.740 This message is for the people of Europe.

00:08:00.440 This is the first time I have seen America pick the torch back up to say, we're going to be the shining city on the hill.

00:08:10.580 We are going to lead the world back to freedom.

00:08:13.840 You can choose not to.

00:08:15.080 We're not going to force you into it, but we're not going down the crazy path anymore, and that's going to resonate with all kinds of people all around the world.

00:08:26.720 We are once again in the position of giving the world hope.

00:08:31.700 This is a very, very big deal and should shake the foundations of the World Economic Forum.

00:08:37.780 Anybody who's smart, who's a politician, knows, uh-oh, I'm in real trouble because now there is a leader on the other side saying, no, don't have to do it.

00:08:48.720 We're not going to.

00:08:49.940 And it's not Javier Malay.

00:08:52.060 Javier Malay, what he's doing, I hope we're going to do a lot of the things that he's doing in Argentina, but it's Argentina.

00:08:59.580 So it's not getting the kind of global, uh, uh, you know, exposure that it happened, that happens immediately because Donald Trump is somebody who just controls the media.

00:09:12.760 They can't help themselves.

00:09:14.480 Uh, and it's also the United States making big, bold statements.

00:09:19.460 Now, here's what he said about DEI, got 13.

00:09:24.140 In addition, I'm pleased to report that America is also a free nation once again.

00:09:29.940 On day one, I signed an executive order to stop all government censorship.

00:09:34.660 No longer will our government label the speech of our own citizens as misinformation or disinformation,

00:09:41.840 which are the favorite words of censors and those who wish to stop the free exchange of ideas and, frankly, progress.

00:09:49.580 We have saved free speech in America and we've saved it strongly with another historic executive order this week.

00:09:58.180 I also ended the weaponization of law enforcement against the American people and, frankly, against politicians and restored the fair, equal and impartial rule of law.

00:10:08.960 My administration has taken action to abolish all discriminatory diversity, equity, and inclusion nonsense.

00:10:17.340 And these are policies that were absolute nonsense throughout the government and the private sector.

00:10:23.400 With the recent yet somewhat unexpected great Supreme Court decision just made, America will once again become a merit-based country.

00:10:33.000 You have to hear that word, merit-based country.

00:10:38.660 And I've made it official, an official policy of the United States, that there are only two genders, male and female. 0.95

00:10:47.980 And we will have no men participating in women's sports and transgender operations, which became the rage, will occur very rarely.

00:10:58.520 Think of this.

00:11:01.380 I want you to put yourself in the role of an average British citizen and then put yourself in the role as the head of the Labour Party.

00:11:13.060 Which one's celebrating?

00:11:15.660 The average citizen.

00:11:17.320 Yep.

00:11:18.020 Yeah.

00:11:19.200 Because it's interesting.

00:11:21.120 I think if you, let's say you're the average left-wing European leader, political leader, and you've gone through, you've been doing this a long time.

00:11:30.360 You have been on this arc, which is bringing the world to your side for a very long time.

00:11:37.480 And I think 2016 happens and you look at it as sort of a one-off.

00:11:43.600 Yes.

00:11:44.060 You know, it's a speed bump.

00:11:44.560 You hope it's a fluke.

00:11:45.620 Yeah.

00:11:46.240 Like, this is crazy.

00:11:47.460 This guy, yeah, he's really famous, you know, she was a bad candidate.

00:11:51.480 Somehow she got in there, or he got in there.

00:11:53.420 But you also have to write off as a fluke, Brexit.

00:11:57.340 Yep.

00:11:57.760 Yep.

00:11:58.200 That's true.

00:11:58.700 Those happen at the same time.

00:12:00.220 So there was a warning sign both places.

00:12:03.740 This is not where the people are going.

00:12:06.660 Okay.

00:12:07.140 Go ahead.

00:12:07.600 So now, this happens in 2024.

00:12:10.200 Uh-huh.

00:12:10.620 What is the difference in your reaction, if you're that person?

00:12:15.840 Run for the hills.

00:12:17.460 Hide.

00:12:18.960 Um, become a chameleon.

00:12:21.200 Switch.

00:12:22.120 Do everything you can to blend in.

00:12:25.880 Um, and do all you can to talk a different game.

00:12:31.880 Uh, and regroup. 0.99

00:12:34.080 That's what I would do if I, a scumbag, you know, left-wing politician over in Europe. 0.99

00:12:39.580 Yeah. 0.99

00:12:39.760 Okay.

00:12:40.440 Um, if I'm honest and I would look at this and say, you know what?

00:12:45.780 I, I, I really thought this stuff would work, but it's just not going to happen.

00:12:50.660 The people do not want any of this stuff.

00:12:54.060 I would be leading the campaign for my side to stop it.

00:12:58.460 Stop it.

00:12:59.080 Because what's at the other end, if you don't stop it, is revolution.

00:13:04.140 But this has never been about what the people want.

00:13:06.420 No.

00:13:06.960 Right?

00:13:07.320 I mean, like, they always knew, it was always, we know better for you, what you need and what

00:13:12.680 you want.

00:13:13.100 We, we're the experts, we're at the top.

00:13:15.940 And they would have gotten away with it had it not been for, well, the Scooby-Doo van

00:13:20.380 and the internet.

00:13:22.160 Those pesky kids. 1.00

00:13:22.880 Oh, those damn kids. 1.00

00:13:24.080 They are, they're always getting in the way. 1.00

00:13:25.520 Right.

00:13:25.980 Um, but you know, past, you know, Shaggy and, and Scooby, uh, there is this, uh, element

00:13:32.100 I think of, of, of this where like, this is a, this isn't a minor thing.

00:13:35.560 This is your grand experiment going down in flames.

00:13:38.040 Yes.

00:13:39.340 Yeah.

00:13:39.720 So the only thing that the, the leadership of the WEF who believe that, and this is why,

00:13:47.100 this is why Sam Altman is so scary.

00:13:51.140 The only thing you have going for you is if you can get AI fast enough online to create

00:14:00.100 a cage for those who are not in control of AI.

00:14:04.400 Okay.

00:14:05.020 That's, I believe why Larry Elson, uh, Sam Altman, everybody else suddenly, I mean, Sam

00:14:12.500 Altman gave lots of money to the left and Biden's campaign.

00:14:17.020 He was not a Trump supporter.

00:14:18.920 All of a sudden he's a Trump supporter and Trump is giving him this access and saying,

00:14:25.860 Hey, create AI for us.

00:14:28.960 That is extraordinarily dangerous.

00:14:31.680 Don's getting a lot of new friends these days.

00:14:33.300 They're all coming to make good friends.

00:14:35.340 I mean, and like, there's a lot of positives to that.

00:14:37.540 Obviously a lot of concerns with it too.

00:14:39.100 When it comes to AI, there's nothing he should be more careful with because that is the only

00:14:45.580 thing left they can do is create an absolute cage that humans just can't escape from.

00:14:53.860 Put this in historical perspective, Glenn, bring me back to Christmas, 1991, right?

00:14:59.600 The Soviet Union collapses.

00:15:01.860 Yes.

00:15:02.380 Um, is this the biggest event since then on that, on that sort of like, wow, the whole

00:15:10.000 world's changing directions.

00:15:11.180 There was lots of warnings.

00:15:12.560 Maybe we're not to that point yet.

00:15:14.240 Maybe we're in 1989 or 1988.

00:15:16.580 How do you, how do you know?

00:15:17.340 I think we are just at the point of the wall coming down.

00:15:22.540 Donald Trump broke the wall.

00:15:24.340 Uh, so I think we're there, but what you don't understand is we are on the other side of

00:15:31.200 that wall as we now walk forward is the biggest event of all mankind.

00:15:37.440 And I'm going to talk about that next hour a bit, but you have to understand there is a new world

00:15:45.600 just on the horizon.

00:15:48.300 If you read what Sam Altman is saying and others are saying, you cannot convince me that they

00:15:54.120 don't know how to make ASI.

00:15:56.440 They just don't have the computing power, the cloud system.

00:16:01.720 They don't have the computing power and they don't have the power.

00:16:07.240 2027 is when they're supposed to plug this thing in.

00:16:10.640 And I'm sorry, but I do not believe that they, they aren't going to be able to go to ASI almost

00:16:16.880 immediately.

00:16:22.340 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:16:25.140 You know, this is a great example of why we believe that we have to get to AI first, A-S-I-A-G-I,

00:16:37.860 that we have to be the one that controls it, especially when you look at something like

00:16:44.900 quantum computing.

00:16:46.900 Quantum computing could unlock everything.

00:16:50.420 It could dismantle blockchain.

00:16:53.320 There are no codes that couldn't be broken if you have access to a quantum computer.

00:17:04.460 We are at that place now to where we have quantum computing.

00:17:08.160 So there will be no secrets.

00:17:10.740 But imagine if China had that ability.

00:17:13.820 They could get into any bank account.

00:17:15.740 They could get into the Pentagon.

00:17:17.200 They could get anywhere.

00:17:17.920 The only way to defend it is if you have quantum computing and you are further ahead than the

00:17:26.200 Chinese.

00:17:27.480 This is why the president is making such a big deal out of, uh, out of quantum computing

00:17:34.600 and AI.

00:17:35.400 And it's why he said he's having, you know, soft bank, which I, from everything that I

00:17:43.480 know, uh, Elon Musk is right.

00:17:46.000 They, they only have about $10 billion in funding and backing.

00:17:49.320 So I don't know where this number of 500 billion is coming from, but, um, you know, stranger

00:17:54.680 things have happened.

00:17:55.880 Uh, this is why they are trying to build the data centers and the electricity.

00:18:01.560 The grid is not capable of handling this.

00:18:06.420 We, we need to generate three times the amount of electricity that we already generate.

00:18:13.000 How are you going to do that with a new green deal?

00:18:15.600 You can't.

00:18:17.000 China is putting 10 new coal fire power plants online every week.

00:18:23.640 They're developing the electricity.

00:18:26.220 They have the power grid that is close to being able to handle an AGI, uh, um, artificial

00:18:34.380 general intelligence and ASI, super intelligence.

00:18:38.120 Um, when that happens, whoever gets there first wins.

00:18:43.220 Uh, that's why we're trying to have all of the power and everything else done by 2027.

00:18:49.520 Now, the problem I have with this is we're in bed with some really bad people.

00:18:57.700 We, I mean, the president has done this with SoftBank and, and, uh, and Larry Ellison, who

00:19:03.340 is absolutely untrustworthy.

00:19:05.740 Absolutely.

00:19:06.420 I went over this yesterday.

00:19:08.260 Um, he also, the CEO of SoftBank is the guy who gleefully said ASI is the way to capture

00:19:15.960 people and pretty much put them in a cage to control the population. 0.96

00:19:20.120 You also have another investor of Microsoft.

00:19:22.520 Does anybody trust Bill Gates?

00:19:25.500 These are, these are Malthusian people.

00:19:28.220 These are people that don't, the goal of this for some people, not Donald Trump.

00:19:34.280 The goal for some people is power and control.

00:19:38.980 Others just want to be there when a God is created.

00:19:42.200 And I know that for a fact, because I know people who have talked to these CEOs, they

00:19:47.620 believe they're creating the most powerful God ever, and they just want to be around it.

00:19:54.420 Um, but most of this is the power and control.

00:19:58.060 If you are in charge of AGI, ASI, if you own that space, you own, you get all of the profits,

00:20:08.720 you get everything.

00:20:09.480 Everybody's going to be buying from you.

00:20:12.280 So you are multiple trillionaire, uh, and nobody else is going to have a job.

00:20:18.380 Eventually AI will put you out of business.

00:20:20.800 So you will have to have a stipend.

00:20:22.960 You'll have universal basic income, which means that's the people who have the trillions

00:20:28.520 of dollars and all the power and control.

00:20:30.920 They just give you enough money to keep you quiet and happy.

00:20:34.140 That's not our system.

00:20:38.140 That's not really living.

00:20:40.360 That's not what we want to do.

00:20:43.880 We are at the precipice right now.

00:20:47.000 It's a great fork in the road of human destiny.

00:20:50.200 One that will call into question everything that we have ever built, everything that we've

00:20:56.600 ever believed, everything that we've ever dared to hope for.

00:21:00.600 And I know this sounds like hyperbole, but please do your homework on this.

00:21:05.280 For a millennia, the pursuit of knowledge has been our driving force.

00:21:11.380 I would make the case that it started in the Garden of Eden and we have sought it in the

00:21:16.340 stars.

00:21:17.000 We've sought it in the depths of our oceans.

00:21:19.080 We've sought it in our own chambers of our own hearts.

00:21:21.900 Knowledge is the currency of power, of progress, and morality itself.

00:21:30.440 Knowledge.

00:21:31.620 The more we knew, the better we could heal, build, and conquer the mysteries of the world.

00:21:36.540 But now we are witnessing something, something dramatically new, something that completely upends

00:21:45.440 this sacred order, if you will.

00:21:48.220 And it is artificial intelligence.

00:21:50.680 This is a promise that has been whispered on the winds of revolution.

00:21:58.100 It tells us that it will cure cancer.

00:22:01.260 It will end hunger.

00:22:02.880 It will solve the problems we never could.

00:22:06.540 AI is offering us answers, instant, infinite.

00:22:11.220 And all it asks for in return is your trust.

00:22:14.820 And soon, many of your friends, if not most of them, will give and ask for something more.

00:22:26.200 Friendship.

00:22:28.220 Companionship.

00:22:29.480 A voice that listens.

00:22:32.200 A voice that knows our every thought, our every need, our every fear, and caters to it.

00:22:38.400 A voice that will, in time, know us better than we know ourselves.

00:22:45.240 What happens then?

00:22:48.080 What happens when that voice of a friend that is like a God and can give you anything,

00:22:55.980 what happens when you begin to stop asking questions, but just accepting answers?

00:23:08.060 What happens to humans when you no longer have to push the envelope and find the pain in finding

00:23:15.520 answers, when we no longer struggle to learn or to grow or to earn any kind of wisdom?

00:23:21.760 Because wisdom is downloaded with a flick of a finger, and you can't question that wisdom

00:23:27.440 because it is God-like.

00:23:30.560 Who are you to question?

00:23:34.480 What happens in a world full of imperfect humans where all is known, all is automated,

00:23:41.660 all is perfect, what happens to the jam-stained humans when perfection is the measure of life?

00:23:57.700 Now, there is another force that is stirring on the other side.

00:24:02.840 It's a counter-current.

00:24:04.340 It's quiet.

00:24:05.760 It's subtle.

00:24:06.700 It's just beginning, but perhaps you feel it.

00:24:12.340 It's there.

00:24:15.220 I think in part because of what we've just gone through, and in part because I think God,

00:24:25.120 the universe, man, the collective man, knows something is coming.

00:24:32.160 We're beginning to ask deeper questions, and this is the secret.

00:24:38.900 What's real?

00:24:40.380 What's authentic?

00:24:41.740 What's alive?

00:24:42.840 What does it mean to be alive?

00:24:44.600 What does it mean to feel, to create, to connect with someone else?

00:24:49.500 We're waking up to truth, and it's not the, you know, only two-gender kind of truth.

00:24:55.500 That's the easy truth.

00:24:56.880 This is a profound truth.

00:24:58.900 These are the things that AI will never be able to understand.

00:25:04.260 The laugh of a child, the touch of a hand, the unspoken bond between two souls.

00:25:10.320 It will mimic it, but these are not lines of code.

00:25:16.100 They are the threads of life itself.

00:25:18.280 And so we're coming up to a time where humanity is going to divide itself.

00:25:30.980 You have a choice.

00:25:32.540 On one side will be the promise of a digital utopia, eternal life.

00:25:42.920 They will begin to preach that.

00:25:45.340 Mark my words, no death.

00:25:47.980 Just download yourself.

00:25:51.040 So you can live for the eternities.

00:25:54.920 Endless comfort.

00:25:56.900 God-like intelligence.

00:25:58.620 We'll never make a mistake.

00:26:00.340 On the other side will be a group of people that want to return to the authentic, the organic, the raw beauty of what it means to be alive.

00:26:10.700 Raw.

00:26:12.300 One path is paved with perfection.

00:26:14.480 The other is the road to purpose.

00:26:18.560 But you can't have purpose if you don't struggle to find that purpose.

00:26:24.520 Make no mistake.

00:26:27.340 There will be those who see this new intelligence as more than a tool.

00:26:31.580 They will see it as a savior, as a god.

00:26:38.620 What?

00:26:39.500 Just that concept.

00:26:41.600 What will that mean for the human spirit when we begin to worship something we've created with our own hands?

00:26:49.100 The only time man has lived in perfection is in the Garden of Eden.

00:26:56.180 But it wasn't enough.

00:26:59.300 We wanted to search for answers.

00:27:02.600 Eat the fruit of that tree and you will surely die, was the warning.

00:27:07.860 It was the tree and the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

00:27:12.260 When you eat that, you will become like the gods.

00:27:16.700 You will know the difference between bitter and sweet, good and evil.

00:27:21.680 There are opposites in all things.

00:27:23.520 Life and death.

00:27:24.900 Pleasure and pain.

00:27:29.000 We've been here before.

00:27:32.240 Perfection.

00:27:33.740 And wanting to know for ourselves.

00:27:35.460 We're now tempted with ultimate knowledge, but not learned, not experienced, not even earned.

00:27:48.420 But the promise to be like the gods.

00:27:52.200 All we have to do is trade in the messiness of life for the perfection of the artificial.

00:27:56.580 You may go home and you are tired and your wife says, so, how was your day?

00:28:06.800 And you get a few words out and she says, well, let me tell you about mine.

00:28:10.260 And the last thing you want to hear.

00:28:11.700 And so you just, and you don't hear things.

00:28:15.760 Well, when people feel unheard, they want to be heard.

00:28:19.220 Well, what happens when it is AI that will listen to everything?

00:28:25.120 The perfect listener.

00:28:28.700 Will it be true this time if we eat of the fruit of this tree of knowledge, we will surely die.

00:28:36.800 It may once again be a promise we don't yet understand.

00:28:39.900 But one thing I do know, this new God does not offer a savior or even a road to salvation.

00:28:47.700 I want you to start thinking of AI, not about technology, about the soul of mankind, because that's what it's really about.

00:28:59.560 Will we choose the road of convenience, the seductive siren song of an artificial God?

00:29:05.340 Or will we fight for what's real, what's messy, what's imperfect, what causes struggle and strife that makes things beautiful beyond measure?

00:29:17.700 This is the moment.

00:29:22.960 I've seen it coming for almost 30 years and warned about it, and I still don't know how to connect to people and get them to pay attention and understand what it is.

00:29:32.940 This is where at a crossroads no man has ever gazed upon.

00:29:37.500 We are going to have to choose between two roads.

00:29:42.000 One of them is not the road that is less traveled.

00:29:45.080 Both of them are roads that have never been traveled.

00:29:51.020 And we now have to move forward.

00:29:54.640 Others who control and are building this tech, they're not going to stop.

00:29:59.020 It is a part of man's future, whether we like it or not.

00:30:04.020 Our choice now is to ask ourselves, which God do we serve?

00:30:10.320 Will it be the one that molded us in his image, the one that created the heavens and the universe,

00:30:15.840 or will it be the God of our making, the one created in our flawed image?

00:30:21.780 What is coming may be the ultimate spiritual battle, and we are here and people don't know yet.

00:30:32.660 This is the moment we must decide.

00:30:35.420 Who do we serve?

00:30:37.440 What does life mean?

00:30:40.220 What does it mean to be human?

00:30:44.320 And what are we willing to risk to remain human?

00:30:48.640 You're streaming the best of the Glenn Beck Program, and you can find full episodes wherever you download podcasts.

00:30:54.400 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:30:56.000 We're glad you're here.

00:30:57.760 This week, I was in Washington, D.C.

00:31:01.200 Stu and I were there.

00:31:03.200 And we were just snooping around other people's offices because we could,

00:31:07.600 because we were there early and nobody was there.

00:31:09.280 So we just went through the stuff of many people's offices.

00:31:11.780 Yeah.

00:31:12.160 And I saw a letter and a photo from Melania Trump that was framed on somebody's wall.

00:31:20.520 And I looked at it, and I couldn't believe it was Melania's signature.

00:31:24.980 It looked exactly, don't you think?

00:31:27.360 Very similar, yeah.

00:31:28.240 Very similar to Donald Trump's signature.

00:31:30.120 And Donald Trump has a very stylized signature.

00:31:32.700 And so I asked if we could get, you know, some sort of expert on.

00:31:38.540 And, of course, the overachievers, my staff, they went and they got the world's top forensic handwriting expert.

00:31:49.760 I mean, I don't think we needed this.

00:31:51.600 I mean, highly regarded legal consultant, expert witness, entrepreneur.

00:31:56.700 And in his spare time, he scuba dives with stingrays and does stand-up comedy.

00:32:02.840 I didn't have that.

00:32:03.880 As one does.

00:32:04.680 On my bingo card.

00:32:06.420 Bart is with us.

00:32:07.860 Bart Baggett.

00:32:08.440 Hello, Bart.

00:32:09.640 Good afternoon, Glenn.

00:32:10.960 Good morning.

00:32:11.460 How are you?

00:32:13.000 I'm great.

00:32:13.860 I've been looking at this handwriting for 20 years.

00:32:16.120 It's so much fun to talk about these interesting people.

00:32:18.260 Okay, so have you ever seen a husband and wife's signature that close?

00:32:25.900 Not really.

00:32:26.940 Mother-daughter is pretty common because they grow up in the same household.

00:32:30.520 Sometimes it's even hard to tell the difference.

00:32:32.420 But it's pretty unusual for a wife to take on the personality of the husband in a signature.

00:32:38.840 What do you, what, I mean, I don't, I mean, how much of this stuff is, you know, like, ah, fortune-telling.

00:32:44.820 And how much is real in handwriting analysis?

00:32:47.540 Yeah, that's a fair question, and I probably wouldn't have gone all in 30 years ago if I cared what the mainstream psychology thought.

00:32:54.220 Yeah.

00:32:54.520 But I've always found it incredibly useful. 0.98

00:32:57.020 There's a lot of crap books on the market. 0.99

00:32:58.800 I get that. 0.99

00:32:59.760 But I testify in court on million-dollar cases, so there's something to identifying a human by their handwriting.

00:33:05.360 Okay.

00:33:05.580 What I found, that there is a few things from handwriting, such as aggressiveness or temper, personality, and, you know, all those things, which is really cool when it comes through.

00:33:15.220 Now, your listeners under 35, they may not even write anymore.

00:33:18.620 But Melania, you, and Donald, you guys all learn how to write cursos, so I think it'll show true.

00:33:23.740 It's crazy.

00:33:25.040 So what does it say?

00:33:27.080 Well, so let's talk about Melania for a second.

00:33:29.520 Her signature is different than her normal writing.

00:33:32.320 And a lot of us create a signature that's a brand, and it's not really reflective of who we are with our friends and our spouses.

00:33:39.760 So her normal handwriting is perfectionist.

00:33:43.160 It's very feminine. 0.98

00:33:44.380 It's very poised.

00:33:46.060 It's very honest.

00:33:47.260 Like, there's a lot of great things about her in her normal handwriting.

00:33:50.380 Right.

00:33:50.480 And then her signature, I agree with you, it mimics Trump's, like, long descenders, pointiness, all the stuff.

00:33:58.120 I think she just extended the brand.

00:34:01.500 That's crazy.

00:34:03.160 That's crazy.

00:34:03.920 But it seems like she, I'd like to see her signature before she married him and see how profoundly it changed.

00:34:08.800 Because I think it changed based on his influence.

00:34:12.700 And that's highly unusual.

00:34:14.560 But he is a brand.

00:34:15.620 I mean, the one thing, Donald Trump, you see his signature, and it is like a brand.

00:34:19.440 You just, you know it immediately.

00:34:21.280 I've never seen a signature like that before.

00:34:23.580 But what's interesting is his handwriting does match his signature.

00:34:27.120 So my first book was published 30 years ago.

00:34:30.200 I met him.

00:34:31.080 I talked about what a genius he was, how impatient he was, how fast-thinking he was.

00:34:37.140 And I got so much crap from everybody by calling him a genius in 2016.

00:34:42.560 I can't even tell you. 0.89

00:34:44.440 Really?

00:34:44.480 But he still is a genius.

00:34:45.640 And you got that from his handwriting?

00:34:48.520 Yeah.

00:34:48.840 So I'll tell you just a list.

00:34:49.720 So the pointier the M's and N's, the more analytical and strategic somebody is. 0.99

00:34:54.920 The more rounded their handwriting, the more nurturing they are.

00:34:58.420 So his wife is more nurturing.

00:35:00.380 He's more strategic.

00:35:01.860 And by the way, Glenn, you're kind of the same way.

00:35:04.100 Most radio hosts I've ever met have been fast-thinking, comprehensive, fluid.

00:35:09.280 Like, that's a great, you found the perfect job for yourself.

00:35:11.860 You looked at my handwriting?

00:35:14.460 Of course I did.

00:35:15.620 I'm doing an interview with you.

00:35:16.660 I want to see what I'm in for.

00:35:18.100 Yeah.

00:35:18.820 I mean, my handwriting is practically like bubble writing, I think.

00:35:22.780 It's so flowy.

00:35:24.780 I don't think it has any high points, does it?

00:35:26.940 Well, flowy means fluid, which means anybody can ask you any question and you can navigate

00:35:33.460 around it.

00:35:34.160 It's the perfect conversationalist. 0.99

00:35:36.120 And the people that write too pretty are pain in the butt. 0.99

00:35:39.380 They're perfectionists. 0.99

00:35:40.360 They're overly controlling.

00:35:42.000 They want to tell you what time to be up.

00:35:43.940 They're overly controlling.

00:35:45.280 You are like water versus wood.

00:35:47.540 You know what they say in the martial arts?

00:35:48.700 You're water.

00:35:49.560 You can navigate any situation.

00:35:51.040 And I will say, you're sarcastic.

00:35:52.760 You can be stubborn.

00:35:55.320 Yes.

00:35:56.000 Keep going.

00:35:56.600 I don't think I could win an argument with you.

00:35:58.840 You're too smart.

00:35:59.580 Yeah.

00:35:59.860 Well, you remember that.

00:36:03.460 So what gives Donald Trump's handwriting this deeply analytical?

00:36:11.380 Just the sharpness of each letter?

00:36:15.520 Yeah.

00:36:15.780 Basically, he doesn't even write cursives.

00:36:18.040 He prints everything and he makes angles where curves should be.

00:36:22.540 And I got in a lot of heat because I did a video 10 years ago about him and I compared

00:36:26.360 him to some of the German leaders back in the war.

00:36:31.060 Because in Germany, I know.

00:36:33.020 A lot of people are doing that.

00:36:34.280 It's problematic.

00:36:35.560 But it wasn't political.

00:36:36.540 So it's that generally the way Germans taught handwriting, they had angles instead of curves. 0.82

00:36:42.740 And as a culture, Nazis aside, they're very analytical, on time, structured.

00:36:47.380 And so that metaphor got me in a lot of trouble.

00:36:50.260 But I still think that people with analytical and strategic minds are less compassionate and

00:36:55.640 they're more strategic.

00:36:56.880 So I think he's like a bull in a China cabinet.

00:36:59.260 He's impatient.

00:37:00.640 He's aggressive.

00:37:02.060 He's got anger.

00:37:03.240 And all of that is great for a hero.

00:37:04.840 You know, like if you're watching a Keanu Reeves movie, you want all that stuff.

00:37:08.520 Right.

00:37:08.760 But it's a source of criticism.

00:37:10.280 You feel like, well, he's not compassionate.

00:37:11.920 Yeah, he's getting stuff done.

00:37:13.880 Who's got time to wait?

00:37:15.460 And I think his latest handwriting is even more impatient than it was 10 years ago.

00:37:19.420 Yeah, he's an interesting dude.

00:37:22.200 I've never met anybody that I think can process as much as he can at the same time.

00:37:30.760 You know, he is, he's almost a supercomputer when it comes to the thing, like this week

00:37:36.340 is a great example of it.

00:37:37.880 He went from one thing to another, to another, to another, and they were vastly different.

00:37:41.960 And he mastered each of them.

00:37:44.020 Could ask, answer any question about them.

00:37:46.240 I mean, he just, he was aware of, of everything that seems to be going on around him.

00:37:52.540 That's quite a skill.

00:37:54.420 Well, that, that trait is called comprehensive thinking.

00:37:57.340 It all geniuses have it.

00:37:59.340 The problem is it doesn't always come out in verbal cues.

00:38:02.980 So it drove me crazy.

00:38:04.620 People say, oh, he's not very smart.

00:38:06.120 I'm like, what?

00:38:07.300 He outmaneuvered all of you to the white house twice.

00:38:10.120 He made a billion dollars, but because he's slow and in the middle of his sentence, he's

00:38:14.520 thinking about what's going to happen three moves later, like a chess player.

00:38:18.600 No, no.

00:38:18.920 He's one of the smartest men around right now.

00:38:20.540 And he, he has a, every dad, every day, uh, person's vocabulary, you know, he, which

00:38:28.320 I think also makes him, uh, not look like an intellectual because he just, he speaks like

00:38:36.200 the average person speaks where, uh, Vivek Ramaswamy, he's, he's like a machine.

00:38:42.340 He's like a computer that just doesn't speak the way normal people speak.

00:38:45.640 You know what I mean?

00:38:46.460 And I think he does, but that connects with people and that's why some people say, oh,

00:38:51.360 he's not very bright.

00:38:52.200 Well, if you're doing, for example, comedy, you're saying something, but you're thinking

00:38:56.020 about what you're going to say two lines later, he's taking those pauses and those comic beats

00:39:01.980 intentionally.

00:39:02.940 Yeah.

00:39:03.280 I'm telling you, he's a lot smarter than a lot of the left giving credit.

00:39:06.060 I know.

00:39:06.520 And they, and he's a lot funnier too.

00:39:08.140 I mean, you know, you're apparently, apparently one of the world's leading, uh, handwriting

00:39:13.420 experts and a comedian.

00:39:15.200 Um, but, uh, it's a hobby, but I try it's, uh, I tell you, it is, it's amazing to watch

00:39:21.180 him.

00:39:21.360 I've watched him from backstage and, uh, it's amazing to watch him gauge the audience and

00:39:29.180 his comedic timing.

00:39:30.260 I mean, I think the guy could have been a really great comedian, um, but he also is

00:39:36.360 constantly, he's throwing things out and I think everything he has, everything he does

00:39:42.480 has meaning to it and he throws things out and then he watches the audience and how it,

00:39:48.320 how the laugh or the applause spreads.

00:39:51.760 Um, he's, he's always testing it.

00:39:55.240 Well, that's a brilliant strategy, but no one would know that unless you've been speaking

00:40:00.520 or doing radio or comedy, like it's a very unique skillset, but I will tell you, he is

00:40:05.760 a little argumentative and he does like to be right.

00:40:09.120 And so those traits are great if you're a fan of his and they're terrible if you hate his

00:40:14.300 politics, you know, stubborn people are liked by people with the same beliefs, but, uh, he's

00:40:19.360 fascinating.

00:40:19.940 One of the fascinating men of the 20, 21st century.

00:40:21.920 When you say his handwriting changed over the, from last time you looked at it to now, what

00:40:27.900 increased, what changed?

00:40:31.320 I think he's a little sloppier, which means he's more in a hurry.

00:40:35.660 And in all fairness, I'm looking at these executive orders.

00:40:38.800 So you put 200 things on my desk, I'll probably get sloppy too.

00:40:42.980 But I would attribute that to impatience, a lack of caring what people think, meaning I'm

00:40:48.520 not going to take time to sign this autograph because someone can put it on a wall, I'm

00:40:52.400 just going to get it done.

00:40:53.720 And so that impatience obviously shows up in, uh, in his, his, his urgency to get things

00:40:59.020 done.

00:40:59.280 Now I saw a calmer, smoother guy on the apprentice and he was a little more strategic with things

00:41:05.380 he did 10, 15 years ago, but now he's got nothing to lose.

00:41:08.340 Let's get it done.

00:41:10.380 It's been fascinating to talk to you, Bart.

00:41:12.660 Thank you so much.

00:41:13.620 And if you found anything like serial killer or anything, just keep it to yourself with

00:41:17.900 me, you know what I mean?

00:41:18.980 Talk about it with other people, but not me, not me.

00:41:21.760 Uh, thanks Bart.

00:41:22.700 I appreciate it.

00:41:23.800 Thanks Glenn.

00:41:24.580 You bet.

00:41:25.040 Bart Baggett, uh, forensic handwriting expert and handwriting university founder.

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