The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Bayard Winthrop ｜ 12⧸7⧸22

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00:02:19.160 So, I want to bring in Bayard Winthrop.

00:02:21.800 This is a really interesting conversation. I can't wait to talk to you, Bayard.

00:02:26.560 Thanks so much for coming in, by the way.

00:02:27.860 Thanks for having me.

00:02:28.640 You flew in from San Francisco.

00:02:30.340 Last night.

00:02:30.860 Did they make you – do you have to have a passport now to get into Texas?

00:02:34.420 No, no. It's still a free flight.

00:02:37.120 Good. That's good to hear.

00:02:38.640 You run American Giant.

00:02:40.420 This is a company we've talked about for a while here on the show.

00:02:44.000 And we've, you know, been really impressed.

00:02:45.880 I, as just a selfish person, just really like your hoodies.

00:02:49.120 So, that's something totally separate from what you do.

00:02:52.840 But you run a company, and you manufacture clothing.

00:02:58.460 And this used to be sort of a foundational part of America.

00:03:01.460 It was something that –

00:03:02.300 That's right.

00:03:02.800 I don't know.

00:03:03.500 It's how the country was built.

00:03:05.380 And more and more, as we go on, we hear all the time, you can't do it anymore.

00:03:08.880 It's impossible.

00:03:09.700 You can't have – you can't make your clothes and source everything in America and all those difficult steps.

00:03:15.720 You can't have Americans make the clothes, certainly, because it's impossible. 1.00

00:03:20.440 Yet, you seem to do it.

00:03:21.900 First of all, how do you do it?

00:03:24.100 And secondly, why did you think that was important?

00:03:26.800 Well, you know, it's easy to forget now, but 40 years ago, about 95 percent, more than 95 percent of the clothes that we bought were made in America, which is hard to believe today because those numbers have almost flipped.

00:03:39.860 Yeah.

00:03:40.140 And in some ways, as you're sort of mentioning, that's the trajectory of manufacturing generally, that we have deprioritized the making of things in the U.S. over the last 40 years.

00:03:49.600 And I've been involved in manufacturing consumer products for most of my career.

00:03:54.440 And if you spend enough time doing that, and I, too, sort of participated in a lot of the offshoring stuff, and you do it, and eventually, I think two things begin to become really clear.

00:04:03.900 One is you get really disconnected from the product you make.

00:04:06.260 And that, I think, particularly for me, translated into a lack of proximity to it, stewardship about it, intimacy about the product that we were making, and that was super important to me.

00:04:19.860 But just as importantly, you see the factories and the towns that you're leaving.

00:04:25.500 And my point of view is that that's happened too much over the last 40 years, that there's a lot of communities, urban and rural, that need good, viable, dignified jobs.

00:04:34.480 And we've made a decision to shift too much of that stuff overseas.

00:04:38.020 And I felt we could do something about it in apparel.

00:04:40.280 It was a relatively easy thing to reshore and to make domestically.

00:04:45.760 And so I decided it's something I wanted to do.

00:04:47.340 I didn't know if it would be a big business or not, but I knew it was the kind of business that I wanted to run.

00:04:51.160 So I made that decision about 10 years ago and started the company.

00:04:54.300 It's interesting because I think over the last couple of years, we have learned way too much about your business.

00:04:58.560 I don't want to know that much about your business.

00:05:01.400 I want other people to do that.

00:05:02.940 I've gotten enough to worry about in my life.

00:05:04.480 But we've learned so much about supply chains.

00:05:06.660 And somewhat infamously, I bought a car in August 2021 that just showed up a few weeks ago.

00:05:14.200 It was over 14 months waiting for a car to show up.

00:05:19.500 I think one of the interesting parts about trying to manufacture something here in America is not just what might happen to your employees.

00:05:27.920 It goes down the line.

00:05:30.120 This sort of stuff affects people all over the country in all sorts of different lines of work.

00:05:36.660 How do you, when you step back, how do you think about that?

00:05:40.300 Well, what's interesting about what you just said is that I think as we've become disconnected from the people and the places that make things,

00:05:47.160 you really do begin to take for granted all the skill and talent and complexity that goes into the making of the things that we consume.

00:05:55.040 And my feeling is that we have gotten to a place where we order something online.

00:06:02.540 It arrives on our doorstep a couple of days later.

00:06:04.920 And when that breaks, that highly complicated supply chain breaks, bad things happen.

00:06:10.840 And I think that there is, to me, there is a real importance with reconnecting us back to how we make things and what goes into making a car or a sweatshirt, for that matter.

00:06:21.840 They're complicated things.

00:06:23.420 And the symphony of activity that has to come together to make that happen is remarkable.

00:06:28.720 And to me, there's an importance of having a lot of that back and closer to consumers so they understand what goes into making those things

00:06:36.120 and the position we've gotten ourselves in with this highly complicated, really fragile supply chain that's got us dependent on, you know, borders and tankers and oceans

00:06:45.800 and international relationships that all get pretty difficult when things don't go precisely as planned.

00:06:52.280 Yeah, you know, we were just talking about the Tuttle Twins books a second ago, and they have one about iPencil, the famous economic essay.

00:07:01.380 And it's basically the story of how a pencil gets made.

00:07:05.040 And it sounds like the most boring pencil, who cares?

00:07:07.860 But so many people have to be able to do so many things to make that happen.

00:07:12.840 The symphony is a really good word to describe it.

00:07:15.340 Yeah, I mean, the pencil, the paint, the metal, the wood, the graphite,

00:07:20.700 all the things that are required to go into that, right?

00:07:22.700 And, you know, we've got a privilege as a company to be around that all the time.

00:07:28.240 And it does, I don't know, I just, there's something very satisfying about, you know,

00:07:32.360 reconnecting with the fact that the American workforce and capability is alive and well.

00:07:37.540 We've just sort of abandoned it in a lot of ways by just chasing, you know, what we call internally cheap.

00:07:43.180 And cheapest means of production, lowest regulations wherever we possibly can.

00:07:47.020 And in some ways, that's the great irony, right, that we, as a country, we've put in place so many fantastic principles about human rights

00:07:54.640 and worker safety and minimum wage laws and all these things that protect workers and celebrate workers.

00:08:00.900 And yet we let our largest brands skirt those and go overseas and chase the cheapest means of production with the lowest regulations.

00:08:08.460 And that's a, that's, that balance has got to get corrected, I think.

00:08:12.080 Yeah.

00:08:12.560 And it not only affects Americans, it affects people overseas as well.

00:08:15.880 I mean, China is a good example of this, right? 0.99

00:08:18.420 We've seen, you know, from a geopolitical sense, all the effects that have gone on with China over the past few years.

00:08:25.300 And, you know, with COVID and all of these other things that have gone on.

00:08:31.100 But the manufacturing piece of this is really important, right?

00:08:33.840 We, we are sending almost all of our manufacturing to China and India, and they don't have standards for their workers.

00:08:40.980 We see how they treat their own people.

00:08:45.020 Is there a part that we should really be rethinking here, not even just from a global competition sense, but just from a humanitarian sense?

00:08:52.440 I think so.

00:08:53.120 It kind of comes down to, you know, whether we believe our values are truly universal values or not.

00:08:58.220 And I think there is an inconsistency with holding domestic manufacturing businesses to very high standards, but then allowing all the, the work for those factories chase the means of production elsewhere.

00:09:09.280 And, you know, I think, you know, the, the, the, the case, the case for globalization is a pretty obvious and elegant one.

00:09:17.040 If your optimization is around growing shareholder value and hitting quarterly earnings reports, it's a lot less clear if you think about constituents beyond just your, your quarterly earnings statements.

00:09:27.100 And if you think about brands that live through their values, that, that employ Americans, that transfer good skills down throughout their, their workforce.

00:09:35.860 So I think there's a big conversation to have there.

00:09:38.320 I think that we, you know, there's a fascinating thing happening now with textiles in Xinjiang, which is the far western province in China that grows almost all of the Chinese cotton.

00:09:46.820 There's awful things going on there with minority Muslims and forced labor. 1.00

00:09:49.580 And, and it's just a good example of apples in the middle of this where they're, where they're the things that are going on with Foxconn, that a good example of businesses that are trying to strike this uncomfortable balance with what they're Instagramming about versus the way that they're actually making the things that they sell.

00:10:05.480 And I think those, you know, that's, that's, that's an, that is an uncomfortable place to be.

00:10:09.960 And I think that we've all got a role to play, right?

00:10:11.320 I mean, consumers have a role to play, brands have a role to play, policymakers have a role to play, but I do think we need to come together a little bit and have the conversation around what do we care about?

00:10:19.960 And to, to the extent that we care about it a lot, do we want to apply those standards universally, both to the, you know, our supply chain decisions, our, our trade agreements, our, our, what our consumers have access to and understand.

00:10:30.940 So I do think it's something that we need to start to think about more thoroughly.

00:10:35.300 We are sort of told that this supply chain thing is not over, that we're going to be facing delays and this is just kind of our new normal.

00:10:43.060 This is how we're going, this is how it's going to be in America.

00:10:45.380 Now, maybe we should learn to be more like Europe and just expect delays all the time.

00:10:50.040 First of all, I mean, is that what you're seeing out there?

00:10:52.520 And is that the right way to look at this?

00:10:53.880 Should we just be accepting this new normal?

00:10:55.720 Yeah, I hope not.

00:10:56.440 I mean, you know, it's a good, it's a good, that's a good pitch for American manufacturing, right?

00:11:01.340 I mean, we've actually been lucky enough to navigate.

00:11:03.760 So we make, most of the stuff we make are t-shirts and sweatshirts.

00:11:06.340 That's the bulk of our line.

00:11:07.220 We make blue jeans, we make flannel shirts, make other things.

00:11:10.020 Almost all of that comes through a southeastern supply chain, Carolinas and that, that area from cotton all the way through.

00:11:16.520 So for almost all of the pandemic, we've been able to navigate our supply chain stuff without a hitch.

00:11:20.600 And that's not just proximity and not having to deal with challenges of overseas COVID restrictions and other things.

00:11:26.920 It's also that we've got deep relationships with the supply chain that we work with.

00:11:30.720 And so we were able to work in real concert with our yarn providers and our knitters and our spinners and our dyers.

00:11:38.340 And so it's been, you know, I think that's a good example of some of the importance of having a onshore capability across the manufacturing sector.

00:11:45.320 So that you're not so exposed internationally to the breaks that are inevitably going to continue to come, in my opinion.

00:11:53.040 Yeah, it's understandable.

00:11:54.760 And I think there's a, there's that weird line that I think we all have to walk here.

00:11:58.680 Because, you know, look, I have some sympathy for these companies when they say, hey, like, we can't pay American workers what, you know, what the new, you know, minimum wages, even here in the United States.

00:12:11.240 We can go over there.

00:12:12.520 We can save 80%.

00:12:13.540 People need cheap clothing and they need to be able to.

00:12:17.360 And I understand some of that I have sympathy for at some level.

00:12:20.920 But, like, you can't just abandon the American way of doing things.

00:12:25.040 How do you get to a point where you can pay?

00:12:28.900 I mean, you guys pay your employees a good wage.

00:12:32.220 And, you know, we're told that that's just not possible.

00:12:35.580 How do you do that and still make a company work?

00:12:38.120 Yeah, it's sort of an incomplete conversation, right?

00:12:40.580 So I get asked a lot about minimum wage jobs and how I think about minimum wage.

00:12:44.420 And my response to that basically is it's an incomplete question.

00:12:47.060 We all want to pay American workers as much as we possibly can, right? 0.72

00:12:50.460 I mean, that's the objective.

00:12:51.500 We all want people to be living good, dignified lives with good incomes.

00:12:54.980 But if at one point we are enacting minimum wage laws and raising minimum wages at the same time that we're saying let's all the manufacturers, the customers of that manufacturing jobs, go overseas and avoid those minimum wage jobs.

00:13:06.400 All we're doing is penalizing the domestic workforce ultimately. 0.99

00:13:10.320 And so I think the way you do it is that you begin to think about trading partners through the lens of people that share our values.

00:13:16.760 You know, there's the current administration is talking a little bit about this concept of friend shoring, which is in some ways a carry forward from the Trump administration about doing business with countries that share our values and not doing businesses with countries that don't.

00:13:28.700 And, you know, if you think about the American marketplace, it's the most – it's the biggest, most valuable marketplace on earth.

00:13:34.860 And yet the cost of entry to it is basically zero.

00:13:36.900 We allow everybody to participate in our marketplace.

00:13:39.980 And I think that we ought to ask the question whether that's the right thing to do.

00:13:41.920 And if you make it so that it is a bit more difficult to avoid what I think are basic American values in your manufacturing choices, you're going to encourage reshoring in a way that is going to address the labor question that you're getting at, I think, really effectively.

00:13:57.880 Talking to Bayard Winthrop, he is the – he's the big wig. 0.99

00:14:00.900 What's your official title over there?

00:14:02.360 Oh, founder, I guess.

00:14:04.160 Ah, you got the big one.

00:14:05.000 The founder is the best one to have.

00:14:06.460 I think that's the best one to have.

00:14:07.460 The – of American Giant, a great clothing company if you don't know them, if you've never had one of them.

00:14:11.940 I mean, look, it's around Christmas, a great time to pick up something from American Giant.

00:14:16.100 And I think as you kind of hear as we talk, you have a different perspective on the country than I think a lot of these big companies do.

00:14:25.220 Is it – how much of this has to be – because I am – we come in here every day and we talk about issues and things that really matter to us.

00:14:33.260 And what I think a lot of people engage with is, you know, you have these beliefs about the country, the foundations, the – that this is a special place.

00:14:44.740 It's an exceptional place.

00:14:46.540 But putting that into practice, really living that life is really hard.

00:14:52.800 What do you say to a company that's on the fence here that's thinking like, hey, maybe I'll pull some of my manufacturing back to the United States?

00:14:59.900 What – going – you're the one who's experienced this.

00:15:01.760 What do you say to them?

00:15:02.360 Well, yeah.

00:15:03.580 So I think a couple of sort of just sort of framing reactions to that.

00:15:07.940 One is for public companies, it's really hard because public companies are in the cycle, like a lot of our elected officials, where they're thinking very short term.

00:15:15.020 They're thinking quarter to quarter to quarter.

00:15:16.660 And quarter to quarter to quarter, increases in labor rates or the cost of thread matters a ton.

00:15:22.680 And so it's a tall ask for public companies.

00:15:25.540 Private companies, it's a different matter.

00:15:26.760 And I think to those companies, I think to the extent that they can start and begin to use American labor for small parts of their offerings across the manufacturing sector, it has a huge impact.

00:15:40.620 We had the benefit in some ways that 10 years ago when I started American Giant, I made a decision that we were going to make it all domestically.

00:15:48.400 And that was kind of – that was the framework that I lived within.

00:15:51.480 And so that made every decision that followed pretty easy.

00:15:53.720 It became about how do we do that as well and as effectively as we can.

00:15:57.120 For companies that have – that used to be domestically made, like basically all apparel companies and that now have offshore, to reshore again, I think there's a perception that the American workforce and manufacturing capability is not there.

00:16:10.380 That's wrong.

00:16:11.180 There's a tremendous amount, even in textiles, which has been hit the hardest about offshoring, there's a tremendous amount of viability within textiles.

00:16:18.960 And it's a big part of what that industry is lacking are customers that commit to it.

00:16:23.700 And so if you had big brands that said, look, we're going to be here.

00:16:25.740 We're going to order our line of T-shirts or our line of V-neck T-shirts, some small piece, but we're going to stick to it for a while, that would be a huge boon to manufacturing because these businesses need that reliability.

00:16:36.340 So I think that that's what I would say is try it.

00:16:38.280 Try it with socks.

00:16:39.140 Try it with T-shirts.

00:16:39.920 Try it with something.

00:16:41.240 Give the supply chain a shot.

00:16:43.080 Be a part of the solution, right?

00:16:44.840 Your customers will give you credit for it.

00:16:46.400 They'll appreciate it.

00:16:47.720 But it's a more complicated question for the public companies, I think.

00:16:50.700 And that's not to say that I think a lot of them are interested in being a force for good, but it's just we've created a system that makes it harder to do that.

00:16:57.880 And so I think we've got to look at other ways to create space for those businesses to make better decisions.

00:17:04.760 We've got about a minute and a half left here.

00:17:06.960 What's your level of optimism for America?

00:17:11.420 I'm pretty optimistic.

00:17:12.480 Really?

00:17:12.920 I have trouble with this one.

00:17:14.180 I am.

00:17:14.480 So I hear what you're saying.

00:17:15.720 But here's why I'm optimistic.

00:17:16.780 I think that there is a growing sense among just the average Americans that are feeling frustrated with what's going on in D.C.

00:17:24.760 I feel like they're frustrated with what's going on with tech.

00:17:26.820 They're frustrated with what's going on with a lot of the big, in our case, big apparel brands that are making decisions that seem to be self-serving and that are less about the country and less about the average Americans.

00:17:34.740 And I think as people gather their voice and they make decisions about directing their dollars towards things they care about, they get more active during the election cycles, I think you're going to see a change.

00:17:42.720 And I share some of your pessimism, but it's short-term pessimism for me.

00:17:45.440 It's long-term optimism.

00:17:46.460 I just believe in the country and I believe in our ability when we're seeing something that we think is nonsense, we eventually throw it out and start fresh.

00:17:53.120 And so I think it's going to take a bit of patience, but I'm feeling optimistic about it.

00:17:56.900 Yeah.

00:17:57.080 You know, I think, you know, when I really think about it from a grand scheme here, like I think at the end of the day, it's a great country.

00:18:06.380 It's still a lot of the great things happen.

00:18:09.100 We've, you know, changed the world, right?

00:18:10.980 That's right.

00:18:11.380 So there's a lot to be optimistic about, but then I read the news.

00:18:14.360 And so I need to stop doing that.

00:18:15.780 No more news for me.

00:18:16.920 And maybe keep some context around it.

00:18:18.380 Yes.

00:18:18.860 Remember history.

00:18:20.160 Remember the Civil War.

00:18:21.380 Remember JFK.

00:18:22.180 Remember all the things we've been through that have been so difficult.

00:18:24.760 And this one seems pretty rough.

00:18:26.160 But I do believe that average Americans eventually get fed up enough to act.

00:18:30.120 And I think that's what is required.

00:18:31.340 I think it's happening right now.

00:18:32.140 I think there's just increasing activity going on that I'm excited about.

00:18:36.160 And I think in a weird way, COVID has kind of jarred us all out of our slumber a little bit and got us thinking about more complex issues that are relevant to Americans.

00:18:43.580 And I think people are getting conscious about it.

00:18:46.040 So it's very true.

00:18:47.300 Mark Winthrop, he's the American Giant founder and CEO.

00:18:50.220 You can go check out all their stuff at American-Giant.com.

00:18:53.880 If people are looking for, like, the last-minute holiday gift here, what's the go-to?

00:18:59.680 Well, we're known for a sweatshirt.

00:19:01.280 So it was called The Greatest Hoodie Ever Made, and that's probably the easiest one.

00:19:04.860 It is, too.

00:19:05.600 I have one.

00:19:06.140 It's awesome.

00:19:06.500 I appreciate that.

00:19:07.160 Yeah.

00:19:07.520 No, it's great.

00:19:08.100 And it's made by Americans in America. 0.99

00:19:10.700 Like, this is actually, this is not like a new Avatar sequel.

00:19:14.000 This is real.

00:19:14.500 This is actually happening.

00:19:15.500 North and South Carolina.

00:19:16.440 Very, very cool.

00:19:17.200 Very cool.

00:19:17.700 Byron Winthrop, it's American-Giant.com.

00:19:21.540 Thanks so much for coming in.

00:19:22.500 Thank you.

00:19:22.840 I really appreciate it.

00:19:23.000 I appreciate it.

00:19:23.300 I appreciate it.

00:19:23.420 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:19:35.840 It's Pat and Stu for Glenn today, who's not feeling well.

00:19:38.720 Hopefully, he'll be back tomorrow.

00:19:40.960 In the meantime, he needs to get his rough greens in.

00:19:43.600 Yeah.

00:19:43.820 Apparently, he's not taking enough.

00:19:44.720 That's right.

00:19:45.120 Yeah.

00:19:45.640 Yeah, because you get all the probiotics, the antioxidants, and all that.

00:19:49.140 I don't know why he's not.

00:19:50.100 He's just not eating enough, apparently, when it comes to the rough greens.

00:19:52.980 We'll get him his nutrients.

00:19:54.100 Hopefully, he'll be back tomorrow.

00:19:55.420 Got to fix that.

00:19:57.080 Amidst all the rightful focus on government censorship and election interference, another

00:20:01.700 big story is brewing at the Supreme Court.

00:20:04.680 The justices heard oral arguments the other day in a case centering on a web designer who

00:20:11.980 has religious objections to making websites for same-sex couples.

00:20:15.820 This comes up over and over again in Colorado because, essentially, they're trying to

00:20:22.640 persecute Christians for their beliefs.

00:20:24.680 And this is all about an agenda, not about actually designing a website.

00:20:30.700 Of course not.

00:20:31.240 Because there's a million people you can turn to, and they'll design your website, no problem

00:20:37.040 at all.

00:20:37.480 Is it controversial to say, to step back a minute from even that point, and say, you

00:20:43.880 don't need a website for your wedding?

00:20:47.120 I know you think you do.

00:20:48.840 You don't.

00:20:50.280 This is, it doesn't matter if you're gay or straight.

00:20:53.500 You don't need a website for your wedding.

00:20:57.800 I could get married.

00:20:59.260 Yes.

00:21:00.420 And in fact, I did.

00:21:01.780 Right.

00:21:02.480 Did you have a website?

00:21:03.120 In 1985, I did not have a website.

00:21:06.260 Really?

00:21:06.720 Yeah.

00:21:07.380 Isn't that weird?

00:21:08.160 Yeah, that is a little weird.

00:21:09.240 In 85, I think it was much more normal to have websites for your wedding.

00:21:12.460 But now, it just seems a little bit over.

00:21:14.800 Look, post some pictures on your Facebook page or whatever.

00:21:17.640 I got it.

00:21:18.240 You know, you got Instagram?

00:21:19.420 Throw them on there.

00:21:20.340 You don't need, that's probably not the point they're making at the Supreme Court, but I

00:21:24.900 just want people to know they don't need a website for their wedding.

00:21:29.240 Okay, you should have told these guys that a long time ago.

00:21:31.940 We'll solve the whole thing.

00:21:32.520 Yeah, and we just wouldn't have this issue at the Supreme Court right now.

00:21:36.080 Right.

00:21:36.480 And I do think there is part of that point that is really germane to this case, which

00:21:42.960 is you can make an argument, like you need food, right?

00:21:46.460 So, if you want to have these conversations about a lunch counter, we've obviously talked

00:21:51.980 about this before in the past, you shouldn't be able to say, well, I'm not going to serve 0.99

00:21:56.100 eggs to you because you're black. 1.00

00:21:57.840 And we all understand that that is a completely ridiculous, you know, position. 1.00

00:22:02.160 No place should ever do that.

00:22:04.200 But like, when we're talking about a service that, honestly, can you even make an argument

00:22:11.500 that you need it?

00:22:12.200 I can't, I can't come up with an argument that it's a necessary, like, to me, there's

00:22:18.980 a better argument to go to the Supreme Court and say, we shouldn't allow people to make

00:22:23.400 wedding websites.

00:22:24.680 Like, I think we should delete the entire industry if there is one.

00:22:29.160 So, like, I mean, it is though, I think, important when you talk about this, when you're talking

00:22:33.300 about art, when you're talking about something like a cupcake, when you're talking about a

00:22:38.900 wedding cake, when you're talking about a wedding venue, these are not life or death

00:22:45.480 matters.

00:22:46.520 This is not whether you can get water into your home.

00:22:49.960 Right.

00:22:50.320 Right?

00:22:50.580 Like, these are totally different things and there should be a completely different standard

00:22:54.380 for them.

00:22:54.900 And by the way, with the cake maker, Jack Phillips, he's been persecuted almost out

00:23:00.660 of business since, what, I don't know, it's been probably 10 years.

00:23:04.760 It's been a long time.

00:23:06.380 First of all, he had this same-sex couple that wanted the cake and he didn't want to 1.00

00:23:10.800 make it and they tried to force him to.

00:23:12.540 And then they came along and it was another one.

00:23:15.560 It was a, I don't know, a trans issue, I think, the second time.

00:23:18.520 And they knew full well that the guy had these religious convictions, but they specifically

00:23:22.560 went after him.

00:23:23.500 Targeted him.

00:23:23.740 Yeah, they targeted him and they're just persecuting him now.

00:23:27.560 And that's the part of this.

00:23:29.520 The process is the punishment.

00:23:31.580 And the sad thing is the Supreme Court has not yet made a broad enough ruling that will

00:23:37.400 prevent the religious persecution of this poor guy.

00:23:40.780 Yeah.

00:23:41.260 We were just talking off the air and I was like, you know, I'm pretty confident in this

00:23:43.920 because Roberts, he's terrible.

00:23:46.760 But actually in this one, it's one of his better issues.

00:23:49.940 I think that is true.

00:23:50.860 However, he is responsible as well for making these rulings so narrow.

00:23:57.640 Stop it.

00:23:58.340 The Jack Phillips thing is a great example of that.

00:23:59.980 Phillips won.

00:24:01.240 Yeah, he won.

00:24:01.820 He won.

00:24:02.240 But it was...

00:24:02.560 It should be over already.

00:24:03.940 It was not enough.

00:24:04.820 But they made it super narrow so that they could continue to bring these cases forward and

00:24:09.820 continue to ruin people's businesses and lives over and over and over and over again.

00:24:14.780 And that's what's going on now in the Supreme Court with this woman who wants to design wedding 1.00

00:24:19.300 websites for some unknown reason.

00:24:21.900 Like, it's just one of these things where they are...

00:24:25.520 Same situation.

00:24:26.860 They know, obviously, what they're doing.

00:24:30.500 They're targeting someone with Christian values that they know won't want to do this so they

00:24:35.280 can harass them and harass them and harass them and ruin their lives.

00:24:37.920 Because even if she wins, her life is largely destroyed.

00:24:41.400 Her business is on the edge if it's not completely destroyed.

00:24:46.180 And even if the end result is not a good one for the left, they get to run someone through

00:24:52.980 the ringer.

00:24:54.560 And this, though, I think is going to be the time, I hope, where they come with a really 0.87

00:24:58.260 broad ruling that shows that this stuff is ridiculous and should not continue.

00:25:02.420 These laws should be thrown out. 0.56

00:25:04.040 And it's like, we're all against discrimination.

00:25:05.500 I'm against a company who would say, you know, who would discriminate against someone and

00:25:09.940 not sell them something. 0.98

00:25:11.360 But like, part of this is just recognizing that sometimes the country sort of sucks. 0.96

00:25:15.400 It's a great country.

00:25:16.320 Sometimes people don't do the things you want them to do.

00:25:18.540 I know it's surprising to hear.

00:25:20.740 It is shocking.

00:25:21.580 It's shocking.

00:25:22.360 A lot of people are shocked by it.

00:25:23.800 And Colorado has a law now that protects same-sex couples or trans people because of their status.

00:25:32.440 Because what isn't protected, according to the lawyers for Colorado, for the state of

00:25:37.380 Colorado, is religious liberty because it doesn't have status.

00:25:42.880 Wait, what?

00:25:44.140 I mean, you're going against the U.S. Constitution there.

00:25:47.560 Yeah.

00:25:48.040 So I think this time they really need to rule on the merits of the Constitution and the

00:25:54.220 First Amendment and end this torment of religious people. 1.00

00:25:59.440 Shoot this down. 0.99

00:26:00.200 It's insane. 1.00

00:26:01.200 It's got to stop.

00:26:02.220 You know, the...

00:26:04.200 Because there's really double protection here.

00:26:06.340 You can't compel someone to say something that they don't believe.

00:26:10.460 You can't compel...

00:26:11.880 You know, I was thinking about this example, you know, with the Kanye West thing that's

00:26:14.780 going on right now.

00:26:16.040 Let's say Kanye West gets to the point in his career very, maybe very, very soon where

00:26:20.400 his entire business is customizing wraps for birthday parties and events.

00:26:25.200 Like, you go to kanye'sbirthdayraps.com and Kanye will work your name into a wrap because

00:26:33.240 given his career arc, that's probably where this ends up pretty soon.

00:26:36.920 And let's just say that's going on.

00:26:39.060 And then a Jewish person comes to him and says, hey, can you do my bar mitzvah? 0.53

00:26:44.340 You know, can you give me a song for that?

00:26:46.180 Should Kanye West have to do that?

00:26:47.660 We all agree that his views are terrible on this and abhorrent.

00:26:53.860 No, but you should be able to pick and choose what you do in your business.

00:26:56.800 You shouldn't have to say something praising Jewish ceremony. 0.75

00:27:00.540 Let the free market work that out.

00:27:02.840 Exactly.

00:27:03.660 And you know what?

00:27:04.320 You go to somebody else.

00:27:05.640 Right.

00:27:05.900 And everyone realizes if they...

00:27:07.860 There's...

00:27:08.900 You could go on...

00:27:09.800 What's that site?

00:27:11.000 Fiverr.com, which has a bunch of people who are independent doing things all around the

00:27:16.980 world, you know, for as little as $5.

00:27:20.620 That's how they started.

00:27:21.520 And so you could have them build you a website.

00:27:23.420 You can get someone to voice over your podcast.

00:27:26.240 You can get someone to design, you know, to do audio editing for you, video editing, whatever

00:27:30.800 it is.

00:27:32.220 All this is available to everybody.

00:27:34.520 They will never ask a question about your marriage situation.

00:27:39.980 They won't take a stance.

00:27:41.620 There's thousands to choose from.

00:27:43.500 And that's just one website.

00:27:44.700 You can go to a bunch of other freelancer sites.

00:27:47.340 You can go to another local...

00:27:48.340 Everyone knows this has nothing to do with the website.

00:27:51.360 It's about targeting religious views for destruction. 0.86

00:27:56.380 That's what it is.

00:27:57.560 How do we destroy people's closely held views on religion?

00:28:03.240 And you know, you don't even have to agree with those views.

00:28:05.140 As I said with Kanye West, he is protected by the Constitution to not have to issue compelled

00:28:15.000 speech.

00:28:15.900 You can't force him to say something he doesn't agree with.

00:28:20.040 You can abandon...

00:28:22.280 You can make him...

00:28:23.100 You can destroy his career by not frequenting his business.

00:28:26.280 You can complain about it loudly.

00:28:28.280 You can say all these things about Kanye West that are really bad.

00:28:30.920 You can use your freedom of speech to criticize him.

00:28:34.560 But you can't make him say he hearts Jews because he doesn't.

00:28:39.820 And maybe...

00:28:40.980 Well, he says he does, I guess, on that one.

00:28:42.800 He does say, I love the Jews.

00:28:43.940 And I love the Nazis. 0.94

00:28:45.740 Not a great point.

00:28:47.480 But the point is that you can't...

00:28:50.660 Even there, right, Pat?

00:28:51.860 That is not necessarily a religious view.

00:28:54.440 Though maybe he believes it is.

00:28:56.820 But, like, even if you're just like, you know what, you shouldn't have to be able to go

00:29:00.560 to a conservative and force them to say that they like liberals.

00:29:05.020 Same way the opposite side.

00:29:07.040 That's nothing to do with religion.

00:29:09.120 And you're protected by the Constitution there.

00:29:11.280 Add on the religious aspect, which is also protected by the Constitution.

00:29:16.600 Two separate areas of the Constitution that specifically protect this sort of behavior.

00:29:24.320 And this is, what, the 10th time we've gone through this charade?

00:29:26.680 At least.

00:29:27.440 It's insane.

00:29:28.000 At least.

00:29:29.780 And, you know, it's...

00:29:32.220 Just the practical application of the free market should deal with this.

00:29:40.760 If you don't want to serve somebody in your restaurant, you shouldn't have to.

00:29:45.560 And it used to be you didn't have to.

00:29:48.600 The signs that used to say no shirt, no shoes, no service.

00:29:52.700 Okay?

00:29:53.640 And then a lot of times, underneath, parenthetically, it was like, we reserve the right to refuse

00:29:59.220 service to anybody.

00:30:00.200 Yeah.

00:30:00.540 Well, you certainly can't do that now.

00:30:02.660 Right.

00:30:03.120 You can't refuse service to anybody.

00:30:06.580 Apparently.

00:30:07.780 But if you did, let's say you just, you had a thing where no minority could come and eat 1.00

00:30:14.120 at your restaurant.

00:30:14.760 Well, let the free market run them out of business by, you know, when that gets around

00:30:20.080 in the community, I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of people who object to that and

00:30:25.100 don't go frequent that restaurant.

00:30:28.160 That's how you take care of it.

00:30:29.600 Right?

00:30:29.840 If you're a libertarian, that's how you take care of it.

00:30:33.160 And that's how...

00:30:33.720 You just let the market work.

00:30:34.660 And you don't need to be a libertarian.

00:30:35.640 That's just American.

00:30:36.740 Yeah, it is.

00:30:37.180 Right?

00:30:37.480 You know, and...

00:30:38.480 But it's not anymore.

00:30:39.480 Not...

00:30:39.900 They want to change that.

00:30:40.920 They want to change the foundations of our country.

00:30:42.640 But those foundations exist.

00:30:44.320 That's the brilliance of capitalism.

00:30:46.140 Yep.

00:30:46.580 It solved these problems.

00:30:48.180 This all started, you know, a million years ago, almost, with tribes that were trying to

00:30:55.680 figure out how to not kill each other every time they needed something.

00:31:00.440 If one tribe had one resource and the other tribe didn't, they needed to get that resource.

00:31:06.260 And the way human beings dealt with that problem for a long, long time was to attack.

00:31:13.760 They would take their weapons and they would go attack the other tribe and take the stuff 1.00

00:31:18.540 they needed.

00:31:19.220 That's how it worked for a long time.

00:31:22.280 Right.

00:31:22.560 And then trade bubbled up.

00:31:25.100 And trade became the way that both parties could get what they wanted.

00:31:29.740 One party had one resource.

00:31:31.260 One party had the other.

00:31:32.120 They would swap.

00:31:33.840 And everybody was happy.

00:31:35.560 And then currency came along to make that exchange much, much more smooth.

00:31:41.060 And capitalism bloomed from there.

00:31:43.180 And it created a situation.

00:31:45.040 I mean, you can really argue that the basis of capitalism, why it exists completely, is

00:31:49.940 for you to do business with people you don't like.

00:31:53.680 Everyone can do business with their friends.

00:31:55.680 That's easy.

00:31:57.060 Right?

00:31:57.360 It's easy to be able to find your political allies and the people you hang out with.

00:32:02.660 You could trade something that you have to a relative fairly easily.

00:32:07.580 The reason why capitalism exists is so you can go into a restaurant and you have some

00:32:13.040 hardcore Biden supporter who's behind the grill who makes you a good meal anyway.

00:32:18.960 That's the entire system.

00:32:20.820 It's the brilliance of the system.

00:32:22.740 And we are now at the point where the left, this shouldn't surprise anybody.

00:32:27.540 The left is trying to overturn that.

00:32:29.820 They're trying to make it known, like, no, actually, you have to agree with all my political

00:32:33.080 viewpoints for you to even have a business.

00:32:35.580 They're trying to fundamentally chip away at what built this country.

00:32:39.580 That should surprise none of us.

00:32:41.940 But it is going on all the time.

00:32:45.320 And if we allow this to continue, especially when you're attacking religion, it's another

00:32:50.660 fundamental value here.

00:32:52.580 Yeah.

00:32:52.940 Multiple, multiple pillars of this country under attack at the same time.

00:32:57.260 It's a really important case in the Supreme Court right now.

00:33:03.360 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:33:13.080 Representative Catherine Clark, incoming House Minority Whip, claimed on Sunday that one of

00:33:17.980 her kids awakened from nightmares over climate change.

00:33:22.020 Do we have that?

00:33:22.680 I think we have that.

00:33:24.180 But they've also given us a model to become our own leaders.

00:33:29.840 And let me tell you what it means to to me coming in as a different generation.

00:33:36.040 I remember my middle child waking up with nightmares over concern around climate change.

00:33:43.760 I mean, if that's true, whose fault is that?

00:33:47.360 Right.

00:33:48.060 Hers.

00:33:49.200 Probably.

00:33:50.700 The school she was sending him to.

00:33:53.080 The fact that they get that propaganda at school every day of their lives and the fear-mongering

00:34:02.660 that has been done by the left has freaked children out.

00:34:06.860 I mean, if that's true that she actually had nightmares about climate.

00:34:10.260 I think it is.

00:34:10.880 I don't know if it's true in her case, of course.

00:34:13.240 I don't know.

00:34:13.580 It's probably true for a lot of kids.

00:34:15.860 Michael Schellenberger talked about this.

00:34:17.800 You know, he wrote a book called Apocalypse Never, which is a great book.

00:34:20.900 I know you've talked to him about it as well.

00:34:22.060 Yeah, I love it.

00:34:22.600 It's an awesome book.

00:34:23.280 And he, you know, he's a big-time environmentalist.

00:34:26.280 He was very liberal.

00:34:28.800 Won all sorts of awards for his environmental leadership and activism.

00:34:33.740 And, you know, kept looking at this and then eventually got to the point where he said,

00:34:37.020 wait a minute, a lot of this stuff isn't true.

00:34:38.840 Here's what is true.

00:34:39.740 And he has a great, like, if you care about the climate at all, I can't recommend that book enough.

00:34:43.760 But I asked him, like, well, why did you write it?

00:34:46.600 Like, it's got to be hard, right, to go through.

00:34:48.920 You have this reputation built as an environmentalist.

00:34:52.320 You have all these friends on that side of the aisle.

00:34:54.860 Why write a book that tells the truth about climate change and puts things in perspective?

00:34:59.800 Why would you do that?

00:35:00.880 Good question.

00:35:01.320 His answer was that his daughter's friends, he saw what was going on with his daughter's friends.

00:35:08.060 And his daughter's friends were literally, as he pointed out, terrified of climate change.

00:35:15.840 They were convinced.

00:35:16.580 Well, they've been told the earth is going to last for 10 years.

00:35:20.340 They were convinced that's how they would die.

00:35:22.800 Oh, man.

00:35:23.680 Jeez.

00:35:23.960 And so, like, imagine what that is doing to a teenage girl who's already dealing with God only knows what.

00:35:29.660 Right.

00:35:29.960 You know, he's like, you know, I, of course, talked to my daughter about it.

00:35:33.860 And so, she was not down that road.

00:35:36.420 But a lot of her friends were.

00:35:39.140 And if you think about just the life of a, the teenage life of a teenage girl is not, not, there's a lot going on there.

00:35:49.120 Right.

00:35:49.420 Like, you know, high school and boys and, you know, all the other stuff that goes on trying to, to make it through that era for every kid.

00:35:59.720 Boy or girl is difficult. 0.76

00:36:01.540 You know, add on the Greta Thunberg approach. 1.00

00:36:07.380 We're all going to die from climate change.

00:36:09.060 We should all be acting right now.

00:36:10.640 This is the most terrible thing that could ever happen.

00:36:12.960 Oh, my God.

00:36:13.400 People are dying all over the place.

00:36:14.540 And then the media not only takes Greta Thunberg and, and takes her claims seriously, but promotes her so that she is influencing generations of other kids to be terrified.

00:36:27.940 As if she's some kind of expert.

00:36:29.160 Right.

00:36:30.020 She's not.

00:36:31.220 There's nothing about this.

00:36:32.300 Yeah.

00:36:32.620 And she's a kid with lots of issues.

00:36:34.640 The family has tons of issues.

00:36:36.040 You put this, it's like, you know, we put, you put someone like that in the spotlight and you're risking all sorts of things.

00:36:44.840 And she's done real damage to kids. 1.00

00:36:47.400 Kids believe this stuff now.

00:36:49.820 Well, the damage was originally done to her and now she's doing it to others. 1.00

00:36:53.420 Yep.

00:36:54.080 Because it was her parents who got her off on this freak train to begin with.

00:36:58.180 Oh, yeah.

00:36:58.820 I think it was the second show I did on Studos America.

00:37:03.000 The show's been going on for three years now, by the way.

00:37:04.920 Three years of Studos America and the, I think it was the second episode of the show was about Greta's parents.

00:37:11.280 And just went through, first of all, there's some really funny stuff and they're, it's a weird cast of characters.

00:37:16.640 Let's put it that way.

00:37:17.880 But, I mean, they did, they put, they put their kids, we put her, you know, who's, she obviously has emotional problems, right?

00:37:25.540 Like, I mean, she's emotional and.

00:37:27.640 Plus, isn't she, she's.

00:37:29.280 She has all sorts of struggles.

00:37:30.520 Yeah.

00:37:30.780 You know, when it comes to just day-to-day life.

00:37:33.600 Autistic, maybe.

00:37:35.260 Possibly.

00:37:35.820 Yeah.

00:37:36.100 I don't remember all the details of it, but I, you know, she's dealing with a lot. 0.98

00:37:40.540 And to put her in this, to praise this idiocy that she's talking about and bringing to the public. 0.96

00:37:49.280 And now there's kind of been this movement. 0.99

00:37:51.080 Okay.

00:37:51.300 All right.

00:37:51.620 We're all, we're all set.

00:37:52.760 I guess we're all set now with the Greta thing.

00:37:54.700 You know, she hasn't been getting all the press lately.

00:37:56.380 I don't know if you've noticed this.

00:37:57.580 She seems to be fading away.

00:37:58.920 She's getting too old.

00:37:59.900 She's no longer the cute little kid.

00:38:01.280 Now she's like, you know, to a teenager they want to ignore. 0.98

00:38:05.240 She's been critical of some of the wrong people.

00:38:08.000 Right?

00:38:08.200 Like, you know, she, look, she legitimately believes she's going to die from this.

00:38:13.860 This is real to her.

00:38:15.420 Yes.

00:38:15.720 And so the, when, when the, the power players in the democratic party and on the left use

00:38:23.040 her, they use her to win elections, to get control of the economy for all of these other 0.99

00:38:28.920 reasons.

00:38:29.700 She really believes it.

00:38:31.260 Of course, she was a child.

00:38:32.720 So she probably believed lots of other things that weren't true, but she believes it.

00:38:37.120 So now she's started to criticize people on the left and now, now they don't want to

00:38:41.220 promote her anymore and they don't want her in front of, in front of the cameras as much. 1.00

00:38:45.020 But they're not doing what she thinks needs to be done.

00:38:47.360 Right.

00:38:47.500 And that's stopping all CO2 somehow.

00:38:50.540 Legitimately, and just stopping the economy in its tracks.

00:38:52.540 Stop our economy and stop industry. 0.84

00:38:54.440 She, and when people say like, hey, we can, we can build solar panels and that will grow 1.00

00:38:59.620 our economy.

00:39:00.420 And she correctly calls that out as nonsense.

00:39:04.740 No, you can't.

00:39:06.780 No, you can't.

00:39:08.120 If you want to do this.

00:39:09.100 It's not enough.

00:39:09.440 We got to shut down the economy completely.

00:39:11.400 And yeah, there's going to be lots of economic pain, but we need to, or else I'm going to

00:39:15.300 die.

00:39:15.900 Right. 0.52

00:39:16.220 It's her point.

00:39:17.340 Now, she's not correct about the conclusion there, but she's correct that you can't do

00:39:20.880 it the way this happy-go-lucky way that left promotes.

00:39:23.920 Ah, we'll just create some new jobs. 0.73

00:39:25.720 We'll just make solar panels here.

00:39:27.320 Everyone will have clean energy.

00:39:28.860 Go out and buy an electric car.

00:39:30.360 It's no big deal.

00:39:31.340 And what's amazing is that sometimes they admit that.

00:39:34.040 Yeah.

00:39:34.220 Sometimes they say, yeah, the Paris Accords, but it's just all symbolic.

00:39:38.000 Wait, what?

00:39:39.220 You want everybody to abide by the Paris Accords, but it was all symbolic?

00:39:44.100 Yeah, that won't be enough.

00:39:46.180 Oh, okay.

00:39:47.480 Well, what will be enough?

00:39:49.320 Shutting down our society.

00:39:51.200 That's what the end goal is of this.

00:39:54.740 Just to bring the United States of America to its knees so that everybody else in the world 0.88

00:39:59.560 can catch up to it.

00:40:00.480 That's the only way they'll catch up to us is if we shut everything down because we're

00:40:06.440 too far ahead of them.

00:40:07.400 It's legitimately what they want to happen.

00:40:08.940 I mean, look, this is a bigger movement than as everybody on earth freaking knows.

00:40:14.140 This is not about the climate.

00:40:22.180 Elon Musk is the ultimate example of this.

00:40:25.660 They said forever we have to go to electric cars.

00:40:28.200 They said we must go to electric cars.

00:40:30.000 We have to.

00:40:31.120 It's the greatest existential threat we've ever seen in our entire lives.

00:40:36.180 This is, we absolutely must do this at any cost.

00:40:41.540 We are all going to die.

00:40:43.040 Millions of people are going to die in Bangladesh if we don't do something about this. 0.99

00:40:48.400 And then he said, you know, maybe we should have free speech.

00:40:51.240 You're like, this guy's the devil.

00:40:52.160 Sure, he built an electric car company.

00:40:55.780 And he's building spaceships to escape the planet in case global warming really hits us.

00:41:03.540 And he's building, you know, technology that can help, AI that would help scrub the atmosphere

00:41:10.220 of carbon.

00:41:11.560 And all of these incredible projects he's working on.

00:41:14.080 But he said conservatives should be able to tweet that they like low taxes so he's Satan.

00:41:21.060 I mean, has there ever been a more clear example?

00:41:23.420 They don't care about the climate at all.

00:41:27.160 None of this means anything to them.

00:41:29.460 It's all BS.

00:41:30.760 And especially, since they know full good and well, just like we do, that the electric

00:41:35.360 car, by the way, is not an answer for our problems.

00:41:39.100 The electric car, with all the mining you have to do, with all of the preparation to build

00:41:44.520 the car, with everything that comes together, and that stinking battery that's in the car,

00:41:49.920 worse for the environment than carbon-oriented cars.

00:41:54.480 I mean, it is not the answer.

00:41:56.940 No.

00:41:57.840 At all.

00:41:58.320 I should tweet this, at Studos America, if you want to follow it.

00:42:01.160 I'll tweet it later on today.

00:42:02.640 But there's a, I watched a TED Talk from an environmentalist.

00:42:06.540 And, you know, TED Talks are, you can always get into them.

00:42:09.220 You know, I don't care what the topic is.

00:42:11.240 So I clicked on it, and the guy's talking about electric cars.

00:42:13.380 And I'm like, oh, this will be interesting.

00:42:14.620 Let's see what he has to say.

00:42:15.520 I think I saw this, too.

00:42:16.220 Yeah.

00:42:16.480 I like watching sometimes the other, you want to watch the other side.

00:42:20.200 You understand what their arguments are.

00:42:21.180 Are they good?

00:42:21.560 Are they bad?

00:42:22.060 What's the evidence they have?

00:42:23.680 But he was surprising.

00:42:24.440 This one went the other way.

00:42:25.400 Yeah.

00:42:25.560 He was like, you know what, actually, it's not time for electric cars.

00:42:29.260 We're not ready for them.

00:42:31.020 And he goes through them.

00:42:32.020 They're harmful to the environment.

00:42:33.160 He shows the details on it.

00:42:35.200 And depending on, you know, there's a bunch of different variables he outlines.

00:42:39.100 But it's something like over 100,000 miles of driving an electric car before you even break even.

00:42:43.700 And that's if you have, if you're fine driving an electric car that only goes, you know, 120 miles, which most people aren't.

00:42:52.980 I mean, most people don't want, they want a longer range one, like some of the cool cars that Elon Musk has built can go a lot farther than that.

00:42:58.760 It's certainly very fast.

00:43:00.140 Yep.

00:43:00.300 And, you know, you go down that road and you're, you never, you never make it up.

00:43:04.620 And the electric, the regular, his point eventually he gets to is like, I think for the environment, hybrids are a good answer. 1.00

00:43:10.420 He's like, I think hybrids are much better for our, the amount of technology we have right now. 0.99

00:43:14.720 Yeah.

00:43:14.880 Because you can save some, but still make it, you know, useful for people.

00:43:19.080 And you don't have the cost of all the batteries.

00:43:21.280 You'll, you have a much smaller amount of battery.

00:43:23.940 Right.

00:43:24.160 Those two technologies are working together.

00:43:26.140 Batteries are a big deal.

00:43:26.820 It's a big deal.

00:43:27.300 It's a big problem.

00:43:27.680 Yeah.

00:43:28.480 But like, you know, it is true.

00:43:31.260 There has been tons of research on this at this point.

00:43:35.120 And it's, it's kind of a joke, right?

00:43:38.960 It's kind of a joke, honestly.

00:43:41.100 Yeah.

00:43:41.240 And if you believe this, seriously, they've been telling us it's the most important thing in the world for decades.

00:43:49.300 And the guy comes along with his own money and builds a company that, that does 30, 40 years of advancement in this field without them really having to touch it other than some generous government subsidies that were involved.

00:44:04.300 If we should know, but still, he did most of the, most of this work himself.

00:44:07.940 And the, he said, I want to keep my company open during COVID and I don't really like masks. 0.99

00:44:15.160 And they're like, holy crap, this guy's Satan. 0.98

00:44:17.200 We should, we should excommunicate him from society. 0.99

00:44:20.040 They're trying to.

00:44:21.160 They're trying to.

00:44:21.920 They really are.

00:44:22.960 It's, it's amazing to watch.

00:44:24.720 And to this representative who talks about the nightmares of her middle child, uh, I love the Joe Bastardi response on Twitter.

00:44:34.880 If this is true, then it's because someone is guilty of child abuse.

00:44:38.100 Given life has never been better on planet earth.

00:44:41.000 Tell your middle child we're in a climate optimum with 1,112th, the amount of death per capita from climate as 1930.

00:44:51.200 I love that.

00:44:52.300 I mean, people don't, people have no idea about these statistics.

00:44:56.400 They just buy what is sold to them all the time, uh, by the left.

00:45:01.660 Thank God and fossil fuels, he said.

00:45:05.340 And that is, I mean, so true and so accurate.

00:45:09.340 And we've talked about it.

00:45:10.480 You know, people don't, people aren't starving on this planet the way they once were when it was a little bit colder on this planet.

00:45:17.220 Because it's warm enough to grow more food, which seems kind of like a good thing to some people.

00:45:24.840 Na, na, na, na.

The Glenn Beck Program - December 07, 2022

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