Glenn Beck and Pat Gray discuss the Supreme Court ruling in favor of a woman's right to bear her own water rights in Oregon and Kirstie Alley's tragic passing, the Bureau of Land Management blocking homeowners access to their homes in Oregon, and more.
00:03:08.940You feed the machine. Bring them all back down to their knees. No time to waste. Remind the slate. Ain't gonna make it out alive today. I said, hey, you poison the well. Watch it all burn. Take him straight to hell. He's got the whole world in his hands. It was nice to know you. You've all been damned. Come on.
00:03:30.760Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
00:03:33.620Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. It is Tuesday. I want to thank KNRS in Salt Lake for hosting me here. I'm working on a fundraiser for an organization called United We Pledge. They are, they're transforming America's first county.
00:03:57.480It is the, probably the most red, I'm sorry, yeah, the most red county in the country. And they are planting their stakes in the ground and developing some things in St. George that are truly remarkable. And I want to assist them on that.
00:04:18.840So, thank you KNRS for allowing me to do the broadcast from here. Time Magazine has announced that the finalists have been selected in its 2022 Person of the Year. Pat Gray is here to join us. Are you pulling for Liz Cheney or for President Z?
00:04:38.180Wait a minute. Or Janet Yellen. Oh. Or Vladimir Zelensky. Oh, wow. Yeah, and there's also DeSantis, but why even talk about him? Right. Yeah. Gosh. Most of those people I can at least understand as nominees, right? Like they were big figures. Liz Cheney, though? What was her contribution exactly?
00:05:02.740She got beat by 70 points. She got beat by 70 points. I think that was a big contribution to the world.
00:05:07.180She lost by 70 points. And then she headed a commission that I guess if you want to give, let's just say the most optimistic look at her year would be that she was kind of a big figure on the January 6th commission.
00:05:19.440Yeah. Which possibly, I guess, contributed to the Democrats having either the same amount of Senate seats or one more and losing the House.
00:05:28.740Yes. Like what possibly could be the argument for Liz Cheney to be Person of the Year?
00:05:35.320Well, she's thinking about running against Donald Trump.
00:05:38.660Well, if she does that and wins, I mean, maybe then she could be Person of the Year. I don't know. But she hasn't even announced that. And that would be next year anyway.
00:05:46.760Oh, my gosh. Pat, do you hear this from this guy? And I suppose you want the Nobel Peace Prize to be given to somebody after they've made peace.
00:05:55.860Yeah. Well, that would be my preference.
00:05:58.180Huh. That would be my preference. So picky.
00:06:00.420Wow. So picky. Weird stances I have sometimes.
00:06:03.720Really? Seriously. I mean, Liz Cheney losing by literally 40 points and then potentially running for president makes so much sense that she should be Person of the Year.
00:06:23.220Ron DeSantis is now, you know, upended the entire potential Republican primary if you want to look ahead. Right.
00:06:29.480He won. He's turned Florida from a purple state to basically a red state at this point.
00:06:35.820He won by, what, 18, 19 points in a state that usually is decided by the slimmest of margins.
00:06:41.940He's changed the culture in many ways, the approach of an entire political party, and now is among the favorites to become the nominee for the Republicans.
00:06:52.660Well, that's why you can't consider him for Person of the Year.
00:08:34.400Because kale tastes to me like I'd rather be fat.
00:08:41.860And these high-IQ, stupid people, the Wokers in charge in Washington, D.C., the berserk wing of the Democratic Party, they hyperventilate on their yoga mats, if you use the wrong pronoun.
00:09:14.580By the way, yesterday it was announced that the Biden administration is launching an investigation into Elon Musk and his company Neuralink.
00:13:33.320Uh, but it's, it's interesting to me though, that, um, the ones who are breaking this pattern really are the Republicans.
00:13:41.260I'd throw every single Republican out.
00:13:45.080Uh, I'd throw them all out if I could, because I think the, the party itself is so rotted that you have to start a new party.
00:13:53.880And with none of those people, I mean, we're fighting the Republicans and Mitch McConnell as much as we're fighting, you know, uh, Joe Biden.
00:14:02.260Uh, remember vote Republican actually do vote Republican.
00:14:09.980If you are, uh, in Georgia today, vote for Herschel Walker.
00:14:14.900Um, the betting market is giving Herschel what?
00:14:34.400It, when it went into, uh, the, the general, uh, now the runoff, the polls, there was a poll came out yesterday, had Warnock up five, but you know, all within the margin of error.
00:14:46.300Let me, let me, I'm going to take a quick break and then I'm going to come back to you and talk to you about the polls and how, uh, Democrats win elections.
00:15:10.520So does the first amendment even exist anymore?
00:15:14.200Uh, we have a white house telling us no.
00:15:17.020Will we have the Supreme court telling us no as well?
00:15:21.080I want to play a couple of things that happened in the Supreme court and outside concerning the, uh, court case now, um, that is involving this web designer who says she cannot make a website, you know, with gay marriage announcements and everything else because she's a Christian.
00:15:44.420This is the, um, Colorado attorney general, uh, that is insisting on television here that even if you have moral objections, you have to do the work.
00:15:59.980I'm shorting it, but it's the slippery slope argument, right?
00:16:02.440If this happens and what's the next domino to fall, there are 29 states, including Colorado that have non-discrimination laws.
00:16:08.780What is the impact if the court sides with Smith?
00:16:11.300What is the impact for, you know, makeup artists, hair, you know, people in this sort of, they consider themselves having expressive professions.
00:16:19.600What is the actual big implication here if this case doesn't go your way as you see it?
00:16:24.120Well, first off, we're going to start having to figure out where to draw that line.
00:16:27.220If someone makes specialized lattes, do they have an expressive interest in saying, I'm sorry, I don't want to serve Mormons because I don't believe in the Mormon religion.
00:16:33.840That set of hypotheticals could become reality if we lose this case.
00:16:43.240Isn't this what cancel culture is doing?
00:16:46.860Aren't these businesses that disagree with your political view, not a status as a human being, but your political view, aren't they canceling you?
00:16:59.640So, aren't they already having the right to do it?
00:17:04.820You are just trying to take away the religious right.
00:17:09.660Because I don't want to cancel anyone, but I'm not going to work for MSNBC.
00:17:17.520You know, they're never going to hire me, but I'm not going to go to work for them.
00:18:14.360I want to do video depictions of It's a Wonderful Life.
00:18:17.080And knowing that movie very well, I want to be authentic, and so only white children and families can be customers for that particular product.
00:18:47.580First of all, yes, I am making It's a Wonderful Life scenes.
00:18:54.600That is clearly a vision that we've seen.
00:19:01.140We can put the standards side by side.
00:19:04.120So if I'm creating that scene, yeah, I can discriminate and say, no, I need white people in this because I'm recreating that scene.
00:19:19.280Now, if I'm updating that scene, if I'm showing It's a Wonderful Life in today's America, well, then I could include and should include everyone.
00:19:30.560I don't even know what she's talking about here.
00:19:34.660First of all, It's a Wonderful Life is not a religious objection.
00:19:40.880If I have a religious objection, I can't change what I believe.
00:19:47.520Just like you can't change your skin color.
00:19:50.000I cannot change a deeply held religious belief.
00:19:54.960But, you know, it's true, first of all, but it's also an additional thing, right?
00:20:01.760Like, the religious part of this gives you additional protection beyond what is already there.
00:20:10.000You can't compel someone to say something.
00:20:13.560That is, like, really a bright line in our country.
00:20:17.060You can't, like, take it to this example.
00:20:21.080If Kanye West decided to open up a website that said, hey, I will customize birthday songs for you, which, by the way, given his career arc, may be a real possibility very, very soon.
00:20:35.820He's working on the pancake recipe now.
00:25:45.320If you have a religious objection to war and you are a pacifist and it's a religious exemption, you don't have to go fight in war because you're a Quaker and it is a deeply held religious exemption.
00:26:04.960And it's a deeply held relief or belief.
00:29:35.580So, did you look in, I had my office reach out to you and ask you about the story of the homeowners that have to walk to their cabins and nobody is repairing the road because it's BLM land now.
00:29:55.980I've been working against these federal agencies for years now, and one of the common trends I see is that these agencies work to dispossess property owners of their property.
00:30:06.820And the way they do it is through what is called a regulatory taking.
00:30:10.360They enact so many regulations that make it so difficult for you to access and enjoy your property that eventually you just can't afford to own it anymore.
00:30:18.200So, you sell it and then they turn it into a wilderness or a conservation area or something.
00:30:23.480And it's a really pernicious form of tyranny that exists within our public land system.
00:30:29.200And these poor property owners in Oregon have been fighting to BLM for two years to be able to access a road that they've been accessing since 1906 to go to these cabins.
00:30:40.820And now the BLM is telling them they're not allowed to do it.
00:30:43.380They put up a gate, they won't give them a key, and they are being prevented from going to what is essentially their homes.
00:30:53.280Well, currently, we're putting a lot of pressure on the BLM.
00:30:57.100They've started an administrative process to see if they can reopen this road.
00:31:02.960But the reason that I think this needs national attention is because there just needs to be pressure.
00:31:10.200Congressman Bentz has been helpful in trying to get this.
00:31:13.380I've done, but as you know, the Republicans were in the minority last Congress.
00:31:18.080As soon as they're in the majority, I'm hoping there's some congressional scrutiny on the behavior of what's going on at this BLM office.
00:31:24.240I just, I don't think that the BLM should be an agency that can just decide one day that you can't go to your home anymore and they block off a road.
00:31:44.820They don't even have to change the rules.
00:31:46.760The BLM's own rules say, like, if you go look at their handbook, it says that they cannot deny a property owner access to go and use and enjoy their property.
00:32:02.560And so the question is, is this going to have to go to court?
00:32:05.680Like, it's just frustrating that that might have to be the outcome because all you need is for one field manager to change his mind and say they can keep using this road they've been using since 1906.
00:32:19.180And one thing you should know is I did help them get emergency access to go winterize their cabins one year.
00:34:41.860And in the Clinton era, you had what was called the roadless rule, which was one of these rules that the agencies just dreamed up.
00:34:48.060But I think if we could get it before the Supreme Court again, they'd strike it down after the EPA versus West Virginia case,
00:34:54.280because they just made up the rule out of clean cloth.
00:34:56.880They have no congressional direction to do it.
00:34:59.540But my organization, Blue Ribbon Coalition, that's one of the primary things we fight over is roads,
00:35:05.280because if you can close roads, you can close access.
00:35:08.460That means we're not using our natural resources.
00:35:10.840It means people can't access private property.
00:35:14.120I've helped ranchers in the same case as these folks in Oregon try to get up to their grazing permit permitted lands and their private properties.
00:35:22.380And so there is a concerted effort to obliterate and decommission roads all across the public land system,
00:35:29.480because that's how you can turn it into what's called designated wilderness,
00:35:33.560which is you can only go and walk on it on your own two feet and you can't do anything.
00:35:39.700No mechanized anything on a wilderness area.
00:36:29.360So you have neighbors who have the infinite power of the federal government to hurt you if they ever decide they don't want to be your neighbor anymore.
00:36:37.580And so you and I get in a conflict with our neighbor.
00:36:42.740We go knock on their door and we talk to them and we work it out and things get really heated.
00:37:08.460The only reason I have any ability to know how to do it is because I had somebody who had been working in the agency for 35 years train me on how to challenge these decisions that come out of these agencies.
00:37:18.780And there's not a lot of people that know what to do or how to do it.
00:37:22.900And so that's an open invitation, by the way.
00:37:26.180If any of your listeners ever need help with these federal land agencies, we're here to help them.
00:37:30.000And your website is ShareTrails.org, ShareTrails.org.
00:37:37.520I have to tell you, BLM is the worst neighbor out there.
00:37:41.660There is a noxious weed that grows in my area.
00:37:46.000And once it spreads, it's it just devastates everything.
00:37:50.320And my family went on BLM land just to dig up the weeds because it was destroying the farmland and the the grasslands and everything else.
00:38:09.240They're being asked to manage 600 million acres of land.
00:38:12.000They don't have there isn't a government agency on the planet that has enough staff or budget, no matter how much you give them, to manage that much land.
00:38:20.620And so and then they've been co-opted in a lot of cases by a lot of special interest groups.
00:38:27.020And so they are like they have the tendency to be an almost impossible agency to work with if they dig in on a position and they're unwilling to change their mind, which is what we're facing in Oregon.
00:38:52.160It's probably careful about the surrounding forest.
00:38:56.140I mean, they try to manage these forests for wildfire.
00:38:59.000You have the Forest Service trying to thin forests, just do basic management.
00:39:03.680And they get sued every time by the environmental litigation groups you have and they block everything.
00:39:09.220And so the agencies, their hands are tied one way or another, either from internal direction or because they get pressured into it through litigation.
00:39:18.600And so it is a different America that we are living in today.
00:39:24.860Ben, thank you so much for all of the hard work you've done over the years.
00:39:28.600Thank you for the hard work that you're going to be doing.
00:39:31.280Again, if you have a land management BLM or or federal land problem, just go to the Web site share trails dot org.
00:39:42.820You can you can also follow Ben at B.R.C. Blue Ribbon on Twitter.
00:39:50.300B.R.C. Blue Ribbon or share trails dot org.