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00:01:10.620 The greater good for all? What?

00:01:23.000 If the World Economic Forum had a band and a theme song, it'd be this from The Poor Man's

00:01:45.060 Poison.

00:02:15.060 Take it out alive today. I said, hey, you poison the well. Watch it all burn. Take him straight

00:02:21.300 to hell. He's got the whole world in his hands. It was nice to know you. You've all been damned. 1.00

00:02:27.380 Come on. 0.98

00:02:39.000 Nothing's going on. No need to fear.

00:02:42.000 And we're all in this together. And just to make it all clear, we want the same thing as you. This will all be over soon.

00:02:53.980 Now, here's a little pill. Here's the truth.

00:03:00.660 We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're all gonna die.

00:03:08.940 You feed the machine. Bring them all back down to their knees. No time to waste. Remind the slate. Ain't gonna make it out alive today. I said, hey, you poison the well. Watch it all burn. Take him straight to hell. He's got the whole world in his hands. It was nice to know you. You've all been damned. Come on.

00:03:30.760 Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. 0.92

00:03:33.620 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. It is Tuesday. I want to thank KNRS in Salt Lake for hosting me here. I'm working on a fundraiser for an organization called United We Pledge. They are, they're transforming America's first county.

00:03:57.480 It is the, probably the most red, I'm sorry, yeah, the most red county in the country. And they are planting their stakes in the ground and developing some things in St. George that are truly remarkable. And I want to assist them on that.

00:04:18.840 So, thank you KNRS for allowing me to do the broadcast from here. Time Magazine has announced that the finalists have been selected in its 2022 Person of the Year. Pat Gray is here to join us. Are you pulling for Liz Cheney or for President Z?

00:04:38.180 Wait a minute. Or Janet Yellen. Oh. Or Vladimir Zelensky. Oh, wow. Yeah, and there's also DeSantis, but why even talk about him? Right. Yeah. Gosh. Most of those people I can at least understand as nominees, right? Like they were big figures. Liz Cheney, though? What was her contribution exactly?

00:05:02.740 She got beat by 70 points. She got beat by 70 points. I think that was a big contribution to the world.

00:05:07.180 She lost by 70 points. And then she headed a commission that I guess if you want to give, let's just say the most optimistic look at her year would be that she was kind of a big figure on the January 6th commission.

00:05:19.440 Yeah. Which possibly, I guess, contributed to the Democrats having either the same amount of Senate seats or one more and losing the House.

00:05:28.740 Yes. Like what possibly could be the argument for Liz Cheney to be Person of the Year?

00:05:35.320 Well, she's thinking about running against Donald Trump.

00:05:38.660 Well, if she does that and wins, I mean, maybe then she could be Person of the Year. I don't know. But she hasn't even announced that. And that would be next year anyway.

00:05:46.760 Oh, my gosh. Pat, do you hear this from this guy? And I suppose you want the Nobel Peace Prize to be given to somebody after they've made peace.

00:05:55.860 Yeah. Well, that would be my preference.

00:05:58.180 Huh. That would be my preference. So picky.

00:06:00.420 Wow. So picky. Weird stances I have sometimes.

00:06:03.720 Really? Seriously. I mean, Liz Cheney losing by literally 40 points and then potentially running for president makes so much sense that she should be Person of the Year.

00:06:19.560 She really should.

00:06:20.060 Right. Really?

00:06:20.720 In today's world. Yeah.

00:06:21.860 In today's world.

00:06:23.220 Ron DeSantis is now, you know, upended the entire potential Republican primary if you want to look ahead. Right.

00:06:29.480 He won. He's turned Florida from a purple state to basically a red state at this point.

00:06:35.820 He won by, what, 18, 19 points in a state that usually is decided by the slimmest of margins.

00:06:41.940 He's changed the culture in many ways, the approach of an entire political party, and now is among the favorites to become the nominee for the Republicans.

00:06:52.660 Well, that's why you can't consider him for Person of the Year.

00:06:54.660 You can't even consider him.

00:06:55.720 I mean, what are you even talking about?

00:06:57.920 How about John Bolton?

00:06:59.700 He's considering running.

00:07:00.820 There you go.

00:07:01.780 John Bolton.

00:07:02.940 Jeez, John Bolton.

00:07:03.800 And I've got to tell you, who is not on that John Bolton?

00:07:08.400 I don't think John Bolton is on the John Bolton train.

00:07:12.340 He can't even guarantee his own vote?

00:07:14.560 No, I don't.

00:07:15.360 I really don't.

00:07:16.360 I really don't think so.

00:07:18.540 I was listening to your show this morning, Pat, which airs on Blaze TV and radio every morning prior to this program,

00:07:28.380 and then you can get it on podcasts, wherever podcasts are found.

00:07:31.540 But I heard you play John Kennedy, but I had the headphones up very, very softly, and they were on the counter, and I was doing work.

00:07:41.700 Was that a spoof, or is that really John Kennedy, Senator Kennedy?

00:07:46.480 Yeah, it's really Senator Kennedy.

00:07:48.220 What was he talking about?

00:07:50.560 No, no, no.

00:07:51.640 No, no.

00:07:52.140 Don't settle.

00:07:52.780 Okay.

00:07:53.300 Just listen.

00:07:54.680 Here it is. 1.00

00:07:55.380 These woke, high-IQ, stupid people, they're easy to recognize. 1.00

00:08:02.920 They hate George Washington. 1.00

00:08:05.840 They hate Thomas Jefferson.

00:08:08.200 Right.

00:08:08.900 They hate Dr. Seuss, and they hate Mr. Potato Head.

00:08:12.120 These woke, high-IQ, stupid people, they walk around with Ziploc bags of kale that they can eat to give them energy. 1.00

00:08:29.340 Now, if you want to eat kale, that's up to you. 1.00

00:08:32.720 I don't eat kale.

00:08:33.740 You know why?

00:08:34.400 Because kale tastes to me like I'd rather be fat. 1.00

00:08:41.860 And these high-IQ, stupid people, the Wokers in charge in Washington, D.C., the berserk wing of the Democratic Party, they hyperventilate on their yoga mats, if you use the wrong pronoun. 1.00

00:08:58.580 They're all over Washington, D.C. 1.00

00:09:01.920 I love him.

00:09:03.560 I just love him.

00:09:06.000 Is that one of the greatest senatorial rants of all time?

00:09:08.720 Oh, yeah.

00:09:09.520 It's good stuff.

00:09:11.200 Oh, yeah.

00:09:11.600 Fun.

00:09:13.500 Let's see.

00:09:14.580 By the way, yesterday it was announced that the Biden administration is launching an investigation into Elon Musk and his company Neuralink.

00:09:27.680 Wait, why?

00:09:30.180 Why?

00:09:31.320 Well, he's the CEO.

00:09:33.980 That is the only qualifier needed.

00:09:36.780 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:37.020 Wouldn't Elon Musk be an interesting person of the year?

00:09:39.560 I think he seems like he might be.

00:09:41.040 Well, he was person of the year in 2021 when he was popular.

00:09:44.320 Oh.

00:09:44.940 Yeah.

00:09:45.660 So now he can't be.

00:09:47.400 That's amazing.

00:09:48.120 It really is.

00:09:48.640 Now it's like one of the Hitler awards. 0.83

00:09:51.820 When they give person of the year, every once in a while they give it to Hitler because even though he's terrible, he's made a big impact. 0.92

00:09:57.500 That's how they look at Elon Musk now.

00:09:59.440 And it's strange because first, Time Magazine embraced Hitler.

00:10:05.320 So it's kind of the same thing.

00:10:08.640 You know, they embraced Hitler. 0.95

00:10:09.720 They embraced Elon Musk.

00:10:12.020 The only difference is Musk isn't going to turn into Hitler.

00:10:16.120 And Hitler was always Hitler. 0.96

00:10:19.200 Maybe it's just me.

00:10:21.340 So they're looking into his Neuralink.

00:10:24.760 They just want to make sure that everything is up on the, you know, the up and up on this one.

00:10:30.440 Um, they're very concerned, you know, not about, not about Neuralink itself, not about that.

00:10:38.460 It will open the gateway to information in your mind to anybody like Google.

00:10:46.140 Um, none of that they're investigating is his use of animals in research and teaching and testing.

00:10:57.020 Yeah.

00:10:57.900 Uh, yeah.

00:10:59.160 Yeah.

00:10:59.720 Did he test it on monkeys?

00:11:01.460 Isn't that what happened?

00:11:02.660 He probably did.

00:11:03.600 He did test it on monkeys.

00:11:05.120 Yeah.

00:11:05.640 Or somebody in his organization did.

00:11:07.700 I'm sure he wasn't actually sticking the probes in the monkey brain, but.

00:11:11.620 Oh, I think he is.

00:11:12.860 You think he is the guy?

00:11:14.160 I, Pat, let's be honest.

00:11:17.460 And I mean this half sincerely.

00:11:21.320 He is one white kitty cat away from being a James Bond villain.

00:11:25.460 He, he probably is.

00:11:29.740 He, I mean, he really, he is.

00:11:32.640 I'm, I'm not sure if he's a good guy or a bad guy.

00:11:35.940 I think we find that out in the second half of the movie.

00:11:38.560 I mean, I really like him, but he's also developing the, the portal for the internet implanted in human brains.

00:11:51.800 Yeah.

00:11:53.280 Yeah.

00:11:53.840 Every time I start to think that Elon Musk is, uh, just like us and he thinks like we do and he's pretty conservative.

00:12:01.240 Then you look at, you know, some of his work and you think, no, no, no, he's really not.

00:12:08.140 And I love the way they're making him conservative now.

00:12:10.720 And, or that he's nothing.

00:12:12.920 They're like, you know, he was all for the Democrats.

00:12:15.940 Then he was for the Republicans.

00:12:18.320 Now we don't even know who he's going to vote for.

00:12:21.220 Yeah.

00:12:22.520 Cause that's not the way he doesn't care about the democratic party or the Republican party.

00:12:27.260 He's looking for something and it may or may not be what I'm looking for in a candidate, but that's what he's doing.

00:12:34.260 He, he's so, he's so disingenuous.

00:12:37.300 He just won't lock, walk, lock step with one party.

00:12:42.580 Oh yeah, I get it.

00:12:46.620 He is evil.

00:12:47.460 And once upon a time, you know, that was a pretty, that was a pretty good thing.

00:12:53.020 Most people agreed that, hey, if you had principles and you didn't care about the party affiliation, then, uh, you're a guy we, we like.

00:13:02.120 I'm not sure if it was ever as good as we would hope.

00:13:06.320 Yeah.

00:13:06.520 Um, you know, cause my, my grandparents were zombified by FDR and no matter what happened, uh, they voted Democrat

00:13:16.740 because of FDR.

00:13:19.040 A lot of people do that.

00:13:20.040 You get on your team and you stay on your team, no matter what, from some weird decision when you were like a kid, you know,

00:13:26.160 like you would hit one memorable moment shapes your political views for a long time.

00:13:31.000 Probably not wise to do that.

00:13:32.960 Probably not.

00:13:33.320 Uh, but it's, it's interesting to me though, that, um, the ones who are breaking this pattern really are the Republicans.

00:13:41.260 I'd throw every single Republican out.

00:13:45.080 Uh, I'd throw them all out if I could, because I think the, the party itself is so rotted that you have to start a new party.

00:13:53.880 And with none of those people, I mean, we're fighting the Republicans and Mitch McConnell as much as we're fighting, you know, uh, Joe Biden.

00:14:02.260 Uh, remember vote Republican actually do vote Republican.

00:14:09.980 If you are, uh, in Georgia today, vote for Herschel Walker.

00:14:14.900 Um, the betting market is giving Herschel what?

00:14:18.720 10% chance of winning.

00:14:20.060 Yeah.

00:14:20.140 About a 10% chance.

00:14:21.200 According to Betty markets, uh, 90, 10 situation.

00:14:25.180 So you can make some money for yourself if Herschel is to win today.

00:14:29.160 Yeah.

00:14:29.460 Hopefully.

00:14:30.020 Yeah.

00:14:30.200 I mean, and, and to be clear, the polls are really close.

00:14:32.380 This was a one point election.

00:14:34.400 It, when it went into, uh, the, the general, uh, now the runoff, the polls, there was a poll came out yesterday, had Warnock up five, but you know, all within the margin of error.

00:14:45.080 Okay.

00:14:45.300 So hang on just a second.

00:14:46.300 Let me, let me, I'm going to take a quick break and then I'm going to come back to you and talk to you about the polls and how, uh, Democrats win elections.

00:14:56.180 And it's not about corruption.

00:14:59.180 Well, kind of.

00:15:03.020 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:15:10.520 So does the first amendment even exist anymore?

00:15:14.200 Uh, we have a white house telling us no.

00:15:17.020 Will we have the Supreme court telling us no as well?

00:15:21.080 I want to play a couple of things that happened in the Supreme court and outside concerning the, uh, court case now, um, that is involving this web designer who says she cannot make a website, you know, with gay marriage announcements and everything else because she's a Christian.

00:15:40.500 Um, well, let's start here.

00:15:44.420 This is the, um, Colorado attorney general, uh, that is insisting on television here that even if you have moral objections, you have to do the work.

00:15:57.640 Listen to this cut three.

00:15:59.020 You talk about the slip.

00:15:59.980 I'm shorting it, but it's the slippery slope argument, right?

00:16:02.440 If this happens and what's the next domino to fall, there are 29 states, including Colorado that have non-discrimination laws.

00:16:08.780 What is the impact if the court sides with Smith?

00:16:11.300 What is the impact for, you know, makeup artists, hair, you know, people in this sort of, they consider themselves having expressive professions.

00:16:19.600 What is the actual big implication here if this case doesn't go your way as you see it?

00:16:24.120 Well, first off, we're going to start having to figure out where to draw that line.

00:16:27.220 If someone makes specialized lattes, do they have an expressive interest in saying, I'm sorry, I don't want to serve Mormons because I don't believe in the Mormon religion. 0.90

00:16:33.840 That set of hypotheticals could become reality if we lose this case.

00:16:40.240 Hmm.

00:16:41.080 Now, hang on just a second.

00:16:43.240 Isn't this what cancel culture is doing? 0.98

00:16:46.860 Aren't these businesses that disagree with your political view, not a status as a human being, but your political view, aren't they canceling you?

00:16:59.640 So, aren't they already having the right to do it?

00:17:04.820 You are just trying to take away the religious right. 0.65

00:17:09.660 Because I don't want to cancel anyone, but I'm not going to work for MSNBC.

00:17:17.520 You know, they're never going to hire me, but I'm not going to go to work for them.

00:17:21.900 I don't do that.

00:17:23.620 I don't want to do that.

00:17:25.080 I don't want to say those things.

00:17:27.060 If I worked at MSNBC, well, then I had made a choice to take that job, because that's what they do.

00:17:38.840 Do I have a right to get on MSNBC and do the exact opposite?

00:17:44.620 Don't I have a right to my own conscience and what I deeply believe, especially when it comes to faith?

00:17:54.080 Now, listen to Ketanji Brown.

00:17:57.680 She got a lot of heat on this.

00:18:00.240 She was talking about It's a Wonderful Life from the stand yesterday.

00:18:05.260 Public business.

00:18:06.480 I'm a photographer.

00:18:08.060 My belief is that, you know, I'm doing It's a Wonderful Life scenes.

00:18:12.720 That's what I'm offering.

00:18:14.100 Okay.

00:18:14.360 I want to do video depictions of It's a Wonderful Life.

00:18:17.080 And knowing that movie very well, I want to be authentic, and so only white children and families can be customers for that particular product. 0.74

00:18:30.220 Everybody else can.

00:18:31.240 I'll give to everybody else.

00:18:32.500 I'll sell them anything they want.

00:18:33.960 Just not the It's a Wonderful Life depictions.

00:18:36.260 I'm expressing something, right, for your purposes, that speech.

00:18:42.260 What about, what's the other step?

00:18:44.320 Sit down.

00:18:44.920 Sit down. 1.00

00:18:45.300 You're a moron. 1.00

00:18:46.400 What a moron. 1.00

00:18:47.580 First of all, yes, I am making It's a Wonderful Life scenes. 1.00

00:18:54.600 That is clearly a vision that we've seen.

00:19:01.140 We can put the standards side by side.

00:19:04.120 So if I'm creating that scene, yeah, I can discriminate and say, no, I need white people in this because I'm recreating that scene. 0.81

00:19:19.280 Now, if I'm updating that scene, if I'm showing It's a Wonderful Life in today's America, well, then I could include and should include everyone.

00:19:30.560 I don't even know what she's talking about here.

00:19:34.660 First of all, It's a Wonderful Life is not a religious objection.

00:19:40.880 If I have a religious objection, I can't change what I believe.

00:19:47.520 Just like you can't change your skin color. 0.99

00:19:50.000 I cannot change a deeply held religious belief.

00:19:54.960 But, you know, it's true, first of all, but it's also an additional thing, right?

00:20:01.760 Like, the religious part of this gives you additional protection beyond what is already there.

00:20:10.000 You can't compel someone to say something.

00:20:13.560 That is, like, really a bright line in our country.

00:20:17.060 You can't, like, take it to this example.

00:20:21.080 If Kanye West decided to open up a website that said, hey, I will customize birthday songs for you, which, by the way, given his career arc, may be a real possibility very, very soon.

00:20:35.820 He's working on the pancake recipe now.

00:20:37.980 Right.

00:20:38.160 And so let's just say he's like, you know, hey, I will customize your happy birthday rap.

00:20:43.260 Just give me your name.

00:20:44.640 And then someone decides, hey, in fact, how about do my bar mitzvah instead?

00:20:51.200 Does he have to do that?

00:20:53.160 The answer to that is no.

00:20:54.860 You can't ask, despite his anti-Semitic views being abhorrent to most,

00:21:00.700 you cannot force him to sing a positive song about a bar mitzvah because that would be compelling his artistic expression.

00:21:08.880 You cannot do that.

00:21:10.140 It's already there, whether it's a religious belief or not.

00:21:13.960 Just because he does it.

00:21:14.900 In his case, it is both.

00:21:16.600 Well, it might be.

00:21:17.320 In his case, it is both.

00:21:18.380 You could argue, I guess, the black Israelite, maybe that's where he is. 0.54

00:21:21.620 But, I mean, even if it's just he just, it's not about religion at all, you still can't make somebody do that.

00:21:28.180 But add on to that the religious protection, it's a whole nother layer.

00:21:33.240 I mean, really, a lot of this case has been less about religion and more about the idea of whether you can compel speech.

00:21:39.820 There was a famous case that happened recently where it was a religious institution.

00:21:45.800 I can't remember which one it was, but was saying, hey, there's a new state law that says if you're going to counsel people on pregnancy,

00:21:51.980 you have to post a poster that says abortion is an option and here's how you can get one if you want to.

00:21:59.160 And the Supreme Court said, no, you can't force a religious organization who doesn't believe in abortion to post that.

00:22:04.880 You can't compel them to speech.

00:22:07.520 And that speech was defined as posting a poster.

00:22:09.700 This has been a bright line forever.

00:22:13.240 And hopefully this Supreme Court will actually have the balls to cast a very broad net here to make sure this is protected for everyone.

00:22:22.780 You should never be forced to say or express something you don't believe.

00:22:27.600 So here's what Barrett said yesterday.

00:22:29.700 She said Canada's designer declined to serve a Catholic club because they disagree with their views on marriage.

00:22:40.200 The Colorado attorney responded, yes, because that's not status-based discrimination.

00:22:53.520 Wait, hang on just a second.

00:22:54.980 She went in and said, wait, but the designer can't decline to do a same-sex marriage design. 1.00

00:23:03.040 Yes, because same-sex marriage is inextricably intertwined with status and religion isn't.

00:23:11.520 Hold on just a second.

00:23:12.800 Hold on just a second.

00:23:14.160 There is a whole right that was defined as a very bright line, as Stu just said.

00:23:23.420 So it's not like we're looking and trying to read in, well, we've got to have freedom of speech.

00:23:30.940 And does freedom of religion fall into that?

00:23:35.260 No.

00:23:35.580 Freedom of religion is entirely separate. 0.91

00:23:39.700 Entirely separate.

00:23:41.620 And so it is protected clearly.

00:23:46.120 There is no troublesome comma in this one.

00:23:49.180 It is clearly protected.

00:23:51.280 But if you want to argue that you have the right for a designer, a web designer, to discriminate against a Catholic church,

00:24:03.340 which they do have that right.

00:24:06.240 I don't want to do your design.

00:24:08.340 Great.

00:24:09.580 I'm glad you told me that you hate us because I don't want you designing our website.

00:24:14.520 I don't think you'll do a good job.

00:24:15.900 If I can decline the church, why is it the church that has a deeply held religious belief?

00:24:28.280 I mean, my church was founded on the family and the sacredness of men and women and gender.

00:24:38.300 Gender is ordained by God before birth.

00:24:42.040 There is no confusion.

00:24:43.560 That's like 40 years old in my church.

00:24:48.880 Wait, I have to change now?

00:24:51.820 No.

00:24:52.860 Because I can't change because the government tells me I have to change.

00:24:58.940 This is something I believe to the core.

00:25:03.240 And I either believe it or I don't.

00:25:06.100 Now, you think that I can just change my belief because you're right.

00:25:10.960 But no, no, I believe God has set these standards, not man, not you, not me.

00:25:20.980 I can't change the standards.

00:25:23.180 Neither can you.

00:25:25.700 And as long as I'm consistent in that, I have a right to assert my religious exemption from your little rule.

00:25:38.920 No, I'm sorry.

00:25:41.380 My faith tells me I cannot go there.

00:25:45.320 If you have a religious objection to war and you are a pacifist and it's a religious exemption, you don't have to go fight in war because you're a Quaker and it is a deeply held religious exemption.

00:26:04.960 And it's a deeply held relief or belief.

00:26:08.640 That's a great example, too.

00:26:10.080 Like we have come.

00:26:11.680 Think of what that particular exemption is.

00:26:14.600 We are saying our country is under attack.

00:26:17.620 Our nation may fall.

00:26:19.580 It's the literal most important thing that a government can do.

00:26:24.520 Right.

00:26:24.800 Without your nation, without people fighting this war.

00:26:29.080 We could fall to the Nazis and you won't have the right to your religion. 0.99

00:26:34.260 Right.

00:26:34.520 That's the argument against.

00:26:35.940 And even with that scenario.

00:26:39.280 Yes.

00:26:39.640 We say to the Quakers, you know what? 1.00

00:26:41.660 You don't have to do it.

00:26:42.560 Your religion is more important than the war. 0.76

00:26:44.520 Your religion is more important than the entire country falling or not.

00:26:48.140 Because we don't have the right to get between you and God.

00:26:53.040 And yet here we are having an argument about lattes.

00:26:57.260 Yes.

00:26:57.420 We're having, we're acting as if wedding websites, which are they even a thing?

00:27:03.760 I don't know.

00:27:04.220 I guess I got married too early.

00:27:05.380 But wedding websites, we're acting as if that's as important.

00:27:09.500 We've said the actual defense of our country to Nazis is not important enough to overwhelm this right. 0.72

00:27:16.840 And we're talking about lattes and photographers and cupcakes. 0.96

00:27:21.040 And this is completely ridiculous.

00:27:23.480 And then you add on the free speech element of this, which is, you know, what this case seems to be surrounding more than anything else. 0.74

00:27:30.220 Whether you can, whether the government can say you must say two plus two equals five.

00:27:36.100 With this, with the way they're describing this right, the government could tell anyone to say anything.

00:27:41.260 And either one of these rights is clearly defined.

00:27:44.780 Either one of them overwhelms the left's case on this.

00:27:47.680 And they have both of them working in conjunction here.

00:27:51.000 This is not a close call.

00:27:52.860 This is a freedom breaking decision.

00:27:56.800 If they decide in favor of Colorado, this is a freedom break.

00:28:02.440 You have no right anymore.

00:28:05.320 You'll have no right.

00:28:06.880 And this done in conjunction with what they just passed, the Defense of Marriage Act and Interracial Marriage Act.

00:28:14.420 This is what they're hoping for.

00:28:17.780 This is what they're shooting for.

00:28:20.000 To be able to shut down anyone that objects.

00:28:23.820 It's not about living together and tolerating one another.

00:28:28.200 It is about forcing everyone to do exactly what they say, when they say it, and have you accept and profess a belief you don't have.

00:28:41.920 That's a dictatorship.

00:28:44.080 That is Nazism, communism. 0.87

00:28:48.020 It is a religion.

00:28:50.380 We are headed towards a theocratic autocracy.

00:28:55.320 Their religion is just of Gaia and of Baal and whatever it is that worships the earth and slaughter and perversion of children. 1.00

00:29:09.720 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:29:12.300 We have Ben Burr on with us now.

00:29:18.680 He's Blue Ribbon Coalition Executive Director.

00:29:21.320 He is watching and fighting against the federal land grab that mainly is happening in the West.

00:29:32.080 Ben, welcome to the program.

00:29:34.580 Yeah, thanks for having me, Glenn.

00:29:35.580 So, did you look in, I had my office reach out to you and ask you about the story of the homeowners that have to walk to their cabins and nobody is repairing the road because it's BLM land now. 0.64

00:29:51.660 Is this just another land grab?

00:29:54.640 I believe it is.

00:29:55.980 I've been working against these federal agencies for years now, and one of the common trends I see is that these agencies work to dispossess property owners of their property.

00:30:06.820 And the way they do it is through what is called a regulatory taking.

00:30:10.360 They enact so many regulations that make it so difficult for you to access and enjoy your property that eventually you just can't afford to own it anymore.

00:30:18.200 So, you sell it and then they turn it into a wilderness or a conservation area or something.

00:30:23.480 And it's a really pernicious form of tyranny that exists within our public land system.

00:30:29.200 And these poor property owners in Oregon have been fighting to BLM for two years to be able to access a road that they've been accessing since 1906 to go to these cabins.

00:30:40.820 And now the BLM is telling them they're not allowed to do it.

00:30:43.380 They put up a gate, they won't give them a key, and they are being prevented from going to what is essentially their homes.

00:30:49.460 So, what is it that they can do?

00:30:53.280 Well, currently, we're putting a lot of pressure on the BLM.

00:30:57.100 They've started an administrative process to see if they can reopen this road.

00:31:02.960 But the reason that I think this needs national attention is because there just needs to be pressure.

00:31:10.200 Congressman Bentz has been helpful in trying to get this.

00:31:13.380 I've done, but as you know, the Republicans were in the minority last Congress.

00:31:18.080 As soon as they're in the majority, I'm hoping there's some congressional scrutiny on the behavior of what's going on at this BLM office.

00:31:24.240 I just, I don't think that the BLM should be an agency that can just decide one day that you can't go to your home anymore and they block off a road.

00:31:32.440 And I got news for you.

00:31:33.600 I know you agree with me on this.

00:31:35.980 No agency should be able to get up one day and just change the rules.

00:31:41.180 No agency should do that.

00:31:42.620 Congress makes the laws.

00:31:44.820 They don't even have to change the rules.

00:31:46.760 The BLM's own rules say, like, if you go look at their handbook, it says that they cannot deny a property owner access to go and use and enjoy their property.

00:31:57.360 They're not following their rules.

00:31:58.980 But they are willing to play chicken.

00:32:02.560 And so the question is, is this going to have to go to court?

00:32:05.680 Like, it's just frustrating that that might have to be the outcome because all you need is for one field manager to change his mind and say they can keep using this road they've been using since 1906.

00:32:19.180 And one thing you should know is I did help them get emergency access to go winterize their cabins one year.

00:32:26.920 There was an early freeze coming.

00:32:29.420 Nobody had turned off their water.

00:32:30.740 This was the first year they couldn't go up.

00:32:32.460 And so we petitioned the BLM, say, can we just go up to turn off the water so we don't break all our pipes and destroy the homes?

00:32:39.780 And they're like, OK, fine, you can do it.

00:32:41.800 So they actually drove up the road that's been allegedly destroyed by an erosion event that happened from a flood.

00:32:47.880 But they were able to pass the road is passable.

00:32:50.740 You can still do it in a four wheel drive vehicle.

00:32:52.740 So no work actually needs to be done.

00:32:55.180 But the BLM just won't let them open the gate.

00:32:57.560 They're telling them no.

00:32:58.960 And and the reason is because they're worried that these four wheel drive vehicles will run over fish in the river.

00:33:07.480 And I've hiked to the I've hiked to these cabins, Glenn.

00:33:12.720 I have a picture on our website of me hiking up there.

00:33:15.520 The river goes up to my knees.

00:33:16.700 Have you ever tried to run over a fish in a river that be deep with a jeep?

00:33:21.020 Oh, I do it all the time.

00:33:22.520 I just run over.

00:33:23.560 That's how I fish and how I take out my anger.

00:33:27.280 I just drive up and down rivers to kill fish. 0.99

00:33:30.640 Yeah, this is ridiculous. 0.62

00:33:33.040 There are a few places where there's river crossings. 0.92

00:33:35.320 They've been doing it for a century and more.

00:33:38.840 And they're worried about the fish.

00:33:40.860 And I'm just like, can I don't think they're going to run over the fish in their jeeps.

00:33:44.900 I've I've tried to catch fish with my hands in a river when I was a kid.

00:33:48.600 And they're pretty they're pretty adapted.

00:33:51.760 Yeah, it's almost as if water is their element.

00:33:57.540 Almost.

00:33:58.300 Almost.

00:33:59.000 Almost.

00:33:59.720 OK, so, Ben, is this part of I remember during the Clinton years, somebody was talking about

00:34:08.080 Yellowstone and letting roads in and around the park degrade so people would just eventually just kind of vacate that area

00:34:23.020 because it was too difficult to get to.

00:34:26.420 I don't even know if that was true.

00:34:28.100 That was something that was going around in the 90s.

00:34:30.140 Is there a concerted effort in our in our land management agencies to do these kinds of things?

00:34:40.620 Oh, 100 percent.

00:34:41.860 And in the Clinton era, you had what was called the roadless rule, which was one of these rules that the agencies just dreamed up.

00:34:48.060 But I think if we could get it before the Supreme Court again, they'd strike it down after the EPA versus West Virginia case,

00:34:54.280 because they just made up the rule out of clean cloth.

00:34:56.880 They have no congressional direction to do it.

00:34:59.540 But my organization, Blue Ribbon Coalition, that's one of the primary things we fight over is roads,

00:35:05.280 because if you can close roads, you can close access.

00:35:08.460 That means we're not using our natural resources.

00:35:10.840 It means people can't access private property.

00:35:14.120 I've helped ranchers in the same case as these folks in Oregon try to get up to their grazing permit permitted lands and their private properties.

00:35:22.380 And so there is a concerted effort to obliterate and decommission roads all across the public land system,

00:35:29.480 because that's how you can turn it into what's called designated wilderness,

00:35:33.560 which is you can only go and walk on it on your own two feet and you can't do anything.

00:35:39.700 No mechanized anything on a wilderness area.

00:35:44.040 And in some wilderness is OK.

00:35:45.720 I mean, there's some people like for recreation reasons, it's probably OK to have some areas that are kind of set aside for that.

00:35:51.220 But this group that wants to close this all down wants it all.

00:35:55.520 I have to tell you, I have I have land up in Idaho that when I bought it, it was a good thing.

00:36:04.880 It's surrounded by BLM and then surrounded by National Forest.

00:36:12.080 And I thought that's a good buffer and everything.

00:36:15.060 No, that's really bad.

00:36:16.780 It is literally surrounded.

00:36:18.460 The road has to go through the National Forest to be able to get to my my ranch.

00:36:24.580 That's exactly the kind of stuff they want to shut down, isn't it?

00:36:28.820 Yeah.

00:36:29.360 So you have neighbors who have the infinite power of the federal government to hurt you if they ever decide they don't want to be your neighbor anymore.

00:36:37.580 And so you and I get in a conflict with our neighbor.

00:36:42.740 We go knock on their door and we talk to them and we work it out and things get really heated.

00:36:46.880 Maybe we go to civil court.

00:36:48.720 Do you have a disagreement with your government and the government says, we don't want using that road anymore?

00:36:53.400 Now you have to go up against something with a four trillion dollar budget, infinite regulatory power to dispossess you of your property.

00:37:00.920 And how often do you think an individual citizen wins those fights?

00:37:06.620 It's it's hard work.

00:37:08.460 The only reason I have any ability to know how to do it is because I had somebody who had been working in the agency for 35 years train me on how to challenge these decisions that come out of these agencies.

00:37:18.780 And there's not a lot of people that know what to do or how to do it.

00:37:22.900 And so that's an open invitation, by the way.

00:37:26.180 If any of your listeners ever need help with these federal land agencies, we're here to help them.

00:37:30.000 And your website is ShareTrails.org, ShareTrails.org.

00:37:37.520 I have to tell you, BLM is the worst neighbor out there. 1.00

00:37:41.660 There is a noxious weed that grows in my area.

00:37:46.000 And once it spreads, it's it just devastates everything.

00:37:50.320 And my family went on BLM land just to dig up the weeds because it was destroying the farmland and the the grasslands and everything else.

00:38:01.360 They don't care.

00:38:02.740 BLM just doesn't care. 1.00

00:38:05.840 So what are we supposed to do?

00:38:07.540 They have an impossible mandate.

00:38:09.240 They're being asked to manage 600 million acres of land.

00:38:12.000 They don't have there isn't a government agency on the planet that has enough staff or budget, no matter how much you give them, to manage that much land.

00:38:20.620 And so and then they've been co-opted in a lot of cases by a lot of special interest groups.

00:38:27.020 And so they are like they have the tendency to be an almost impossible agency to work with if they dig in on a position and they're unwilling to change their mind, which is what we're facing in Oregon.

00:38:39.820 Good luck with your weeds.

00:38:41.600 That is a you're probably not going to get a lot of help on that.

00:38:45.580 No, I'm not even I'm not even calling.

00:38:48.500 I know the answer.

00:38:51.000 Of course not.

00:38:52.160 It's probably careful about the surrounding forest.

00:38:56.140 I mean, they try to manage these forests for wildfire.

00:38:59.000 You have the Forest Service trying to thin forests, just do basic management.

00:39:03.680 And they get sued every time by the environmental litigation groups you have and they block everything.

00:39:09.220 And so the agencies, their hands are tied one way or another, either from internal direction or because they get pressured into it through litigation.

00:39:18.600 And so it is a different America that we are living in today.

00:39:24.860 Ben, thank you so much for all of the hard work you've done over the years.

00:39:28.600 Thank you for the hard work that you're going to be doing.

00:39:31.280 Again, if you have a land management BLM or or federal land problem, just go to the Web site share trails dot org.

00:39:42.820 You can you can also follow Ben at B.R.C. Blue Ribbon on Twitter.

00:39:50.300 B.R.C. Blue Ribbon or share trails dot org.

The Glenn Beck Program - December 06, 2022

Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Ben Burr ｜ 12⧸6⧸22

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