The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Bill Gertz ｜ 10⧸8⧸19

00:00:00.060 Welcome to the podcast of the Glenn Beck Program. Thank you very much, Stu. You're welcome, Glenn.

00:00:05.160 Today we have a little bit on The Joker. It's the biggest movie in America, of course, and I went to see it last night.

00:00:11.540 I have my review and thoughts on all the media coverage on it. Let's see if he agrees with me.

00:00:18.680 We also have Pat Gray who comes on. We're talking about Syria a little bit. What's going on with the president?

00:00:23.140 Is it something that we should believe already? Is it something that's definitely going to happen?

00:00:26.800 What's changing and what do we need to know? 0.87

00:00:29.200 And the despicable treatment of the China situation by the NBA and their pathetic folding.

00:00:37.480 We go through that as well, and we have Bill Gertz on.

00:00:40.400 He's got a book called Deceiving the Sky, Inside Communist China's Drive for Global Supremacy. 0.84

00:00:45.160 He walks through what is really going on in China and how they're interacting with us.

00:00:48.980 It's a frightening tale, and he's on to discuss that as well today on the podcast.

00:00:56.460 Today we're going to begin to take a further look on how unusual this entire impeachment process is.

00:01:14.860 Nothing is as it seems. Last Thursday, I showed you everything the Democrats had been doing in Ukraine.

00:01:21.820 To get a baseline, we really should start there.

00:01:26.020 We did. The entire episode is available on YouTube and also on Blaze TV.

00:01:32.460 But tonight on TV, we're going to take a close look at what started this whole thing.

00:01:37.760 The whistleblower report. Yes, again, the chalkboard is needed because there is nothing about this report that is usual.

00:01:47.400 From the absolute beginning, this process has been tainted by partisanship.

00:01:52.520 I'm going to show you how it's supposed to go and then show you how this one went.

00:01:58.340 You decide.

00:01:59.300 We're also going to show you the facts on the law firm that is now representing both the original whistleblower and now the second one that has come forward.

00:02:07.120 Everything stinks to high heaven.

00:02:09.680 Let's just say if you were reluctant to use the word deep state, you might be fully on board after tonight's show.

00:02:18.040 You don't want to miss it.

00:02:19.640 Only on Blaze TV.

00:02:22.460 All right.

00:02:23.660 I'm excited about you mentioned my Joker viewing yesterday.

00:02:26.880 I'm kind of more interested in another viewing party that happened in the United States of America last night.

00:02:33.600 Don't know what you're talking about.

00:02:35.500 I think you do know what I'm talking about because you mentioned to me off the air.

00:02:38.760 Now I'm making you mention it on the air.

00:02:40.200 That were things off the air now, wasn't it?

00:02:43.120 It was off the air initially, but does your audience not deserve the information that's important to the future of the country?

00:02:49.600 I don't have permission to say about that last night.

00:02:52.780 Let's just say.

00:02:53.380 Certainly, you have the ability to speak in general terms.

00:02:58.800 Well, why don't you do it?

00:03:01.020 Well, I don't have whatever restrictions you have.

00:03:04.420 Let's just say that I got an email last night from some people on Capitol Hill and they were burning the midnight oil and they were all sitting together.

00:03:26.880 And they were watching the special last night together because...

00:03:34.200 People on Capitol Hill.

00:03:35.600 Uh-huh.

00:03:36.260 So just like maybe some Blaze subscribers came up to Capitol Hill and had their phones out and were watching it.

00:03:41.840 Could be.

00:03:42.300 Could be.

00:03:42.600 Could be people that can do something about it as well.

00:03:46.560 But I can't say.

00:03:47.940 I don't know.

00:03:49.260 But...

00:03:49.560 Well, you do know.

00:03:50.740 You're just not...

00:03:51.640 You can't say it's true, but you don't know.

00:03:53.640 How was Joker last night?

00:03:55.980 How was Joker last night?

00:03:57.640 Well, hold on.

00:03:58.100 I want to make sure we get a little bit further into this.

00:04:01.060 I have nothing to say here.

00:04:02.940 I have nothing to say here.

00:04:04.380 I don't...

00:04:05.220 Do you think that there potentially is some...

00:04:07.100 There might be some movement on what you talked about in the special?

00:04:12.860 Is that fair to say?

00:04:13.780 I wouldn't know, Stu, but I would imagine that there are people that are, you know, possibly, you know, thinking about, you know, their own investigations.

00:04:26.400 I don't know.

00:04:27.300 I wish I did.

00:04:28.480 And I wish I could tell you.

00:04:31.380 But...

00:04:31.780 How was Joker last night?

00:04:35.420 This is all you're going to give us.

00:04:36.580 That's all I'm going to give you.

00:04:37.820 That's more than I'm going to give you.

00:04:40.140 That's it.

00:04:41.460 You're going to be surprised to hear you already gave that.

00:04:43.320 So you can't take it back.

00:04:44.700 I would like to now hear about Joker.

00:04:47.260 All right.

00:04:48.800 I'll let you off the hook for the moment.

00:04:50.300 Okay.

00:04:50.760 Thank you.

00:04:52.160 Joker last night.

00:04:52.980 Went to go see it.

00:04:53.820 Yes.

00:04:54.200 On your request.

00:04:55.060 Work time?

00:04:56.180 No, it was not work time.

00:04:57.700 It was.

00:04:58.140 And I will say, I went to an Alamo Drafthouse, which is a dine-in theater.

00:05:02.180 So the food also included in that work trip.

00:05:05.320 Right.

00:05:05.600 So just so you know when the expense report comes in.

00:05:08.000 All right.

00:05:08.360 All right.

00:05:08.680 All right.

00:05:08.900 Get to Joker.

00:05:09.500 Joker, I really, really liked it.

00:05:12.680 Oh, it was really good.

00:05:14.280 I got to say, all of your.

00:05:17.140 Right.

00:05:17.680 I will say very rarely does Glenn Beck provide an accurate movie review.

00:05:23.160 It is not something he does well.

00:05:25.420 He doesn't understand movies.

00:05:27.140 Doesn't understand films.

00:05:28.140 Doesn't understand art.

00:05:29.120 I mean, frankly.

00:05:29.760 Even as the 100th most important person in the world of art.

00:05:34.740 Yes.

00:05:34.960 As you were named by some art magazine.

00:05:36.820 Yes.

00:05:37.340 Several years ago.

00:05:38.720 You know, I don't always agree with your movie choices.

00:05:41.920 But really, I think you actually outlined it really well.

00:05:45.060 And again, no spoilers here.

00:05:46.800 I will not give you any spoilers on this movie.

00:05:49.800 It is very dark.

00:05:53.240 Everything that I've heard about it.

00:05:54.960 And it's funny because there's been a lot of fighting on both sides about like, well,

00:05:58.740 actually, this is true.

00:06:00.040 And this is true.

00:06:00.840 Kind of everything I thought of, everything I've heard about it was all, it was all wrong

00:06:04.740 and right.

00:06:06.020 Because, you know, it like, first of all, people presented it as this right wing thing.

00:06:10.840 And this is something that is, this is not a spoiler.

00:06:13.220 It's been out there.

00:06:14.180 And that it's absolutely a left wing movie.

00:06:18.960 No, no, no, CNN said, this is, this is a white man.

00:06:23.360 This is the, what would they call it?

00:06:24.820 White man guilt or white man syndrome, where the white man is just tired of everything being

00:06:31.520 taken away from him and given to other people.

00:06:33.880 That's, that's, that has nothing to do with this.

00:06:36.060 No, it's, it's, it's, it's Occupy Wall Street.

00:06:37.780 I mean, if you will go back to the Occupy Wall Street era, you will see so many themes and

00:06:42.320 Antifa as well.

00:06:43.420 It's very much a movie.

00:06:45.740 The themes are almost identical to that.

00:06:48.340 And does not glorify it.

00:06:50.720 Yeah.

00:06:52.840 You know, I can also understand the initial think piece, you know.

00:07:00.200 Oh, no, I can too.

00:07:02.020 Burst we got where they talked about how this will be seen for, for these types of people

00:07:07.280 on the left, by the way, largely.

00:07:09.480 Yeah.

00:07:09.640 But it will be seen by these types of people who are on the edge anyway, as a, as like

00:07:15.820 a best case scenario for me doing something terrible.

00:07:18.680 Yeah. 0.97

00:07:19.180 I think if you're mentally ill or in Antifa, which I think are interchangeable, I think 0.69

00:07:25.620 you could see this as, as a trigger.

00:07:28.380 Yeah.

00:07:28.600 And like, that is not the responsibility of a filmmaker.

00:07:32.860 Okay.

00:07:33.260 A filmmaker has a responsibility to make a good movie, makes a good film.

00:07:37.080 Doesn't matter.

00:07:37.900 Like, none of that matters to me.

00:07:39.800 You have zero responsibility as to whether you're starting a revolution or not.

00:07:44.880 Like, that's how I am an extremist on this one.

00:07:47.660 A person who's an artist, a person who's a commentator, a person who is a journalist,

00:07:53.060 your job is not to micromanage what you think the reaction to your story will be.

00:07:58.080 Your job is to write the right story.

00:07:59.540 Your job is to write the right movie.

00:08:00.720 Your job is to write the right song, whatever it is.

00:08:03.120 And you can't sit here and think, well, I shouldn't put this part in because it might

00:08:07.140 make some crazy person do something crazy.

00:08:09.700 But you can totally see, and this is, I thought this was a fascinating part of it.

00:08:14.980 You totally see how you would get that out of the movie if you wanted to.

00:08:19.500 But I thought it was fascinating in that, like, how many times have conservatives complained

00:08:24.540 about themes in movies?

00:08:26.860 We've complained about, you know, you're pushing this agenda.

00:08:30.620 You're saying X, Y, and Z is going to happen coming out of a movie, whether it's, you know,

00:08:35.260 pushing a, you know, whether it's gay rights agenda or some crazy feminist agenda or some 1.00

00:08:41.320 crazy liberal agenda. 0.53

00:08:42.080 We complain about this often, and we're always laughed out of the room. 0.98

00:08:44.320 Look at how Brokeback Mountain turned all the cowboys gay. 0.99

00:08:47.220 They're all gay now. 1.00

00:08:47.940 They're all gay now. 1.00

00:08:48.760 Yeah. 0.99

00:08:49.300 I mean, I live in Dallas.

00:08:50.120 I know.

00:08:51.560 And it's one of those things where they constantly laugh us out of the room whenever we say, hey,

00:08:58.260 there's a theme in this movie, and it might be influencing the way people think, the way

00:09:01.680 people, you know.

00:09:02.840 That's crazy.

00:09:03.500 It's crazy.

00:09:03.920 Only inhumanity to animals and smoking.

00:09:07.440 Right.

00:09:08.060 And here's an example where they're on the exact opposite side, where they're saying,

00:09:12.360 well, you know, this is, of course, going to influence people because they see it.

00:09:17.940 They are able to paint this thing as, well, it's right-wing violence somehow.

00:09:22.780 Again, there's nothing in the movie that would indicate right-wing violence at all.

00:09:25.840 None.

00:09:26.020 He's just, I mean, the only thing is the left, and this is so revealing about how generalist

00:09:31.520 they are in their thinking is they just see, well, there's been people, a couple, who have

00:09:36.480 been loners and dangerous people who have done terrible things that have associated themselves

00:09:41.280 with the right.

00:09:41.980 I mean, I would argue more with the left.

00:09:43.680 But whatever, they only see the right-wing ones.

00:09:46.320 And so they're able to say, well, this guy's a loner, and therefore he's right-wing when

00:09:49.600 there's no, I mean, he's no wing.

00:09:51.600 I mean, it's not a political movie, we should point out.

00:09:53.600 But it is a fascinating thing that when the media wants to see something that can hurt

00:10:00.380 the right, movies are influential.

00:10:03.220 They're moving opinion.

00:10:04.460 They're making people do things.

00:10:06.220 When it's something where the right is concerned that the opinion might be moved by the left, 0.96

00:10:13.080 then it's like, what are you talking about, you weird prude?

00:10:16.740 How can you think that a movie would affect people the way they think? 0.98

00:10:20.200 You guys are just paranoid.

00:10:21.280 We're not doing that, until they admit it five years later, right?

00:10:24.740 But it was, separating the two out, number one, it was a really good movie.

00:10:30.160 Really well done.

00:10:31.180 Great film.

00:10:31.740 Joaquin Phoenix is as good as everybody says he is.

00:10:34.360 I mean, it really is how it's been kind of covered.

00:10:38.180 And secondarily, you can see the themes kind of everyone's talked about.

00:10:43.000 Where everyone from the initial think-piece wave of like, it does, if you're already psychotic

00:10:50.540 and you're sitting in a room considering shooting up a movie theater, you can see how it would

00:10:57.240 feel like, wow, like this could happen to me, this wonderful, glorious thing where it's

00:11:02.080 being glorified.

00:11:03.020 On the other side, if you're a sane person, you're going to see this as, well, this is

00:11:08.100 a very dark, awful person doing very dark, awful things, who was, you know, certainly pushed

00:11:13.940 in an ugly direction, and that sometimes you do feel bad for him.

00:11:16.500 The best movies are ones where they can do that, right?

00:11:18.780 Where they can paint the full sort of breadth of a character where you're, it's not just

00:11:22.800 this easy thing where I hate X.

00:11:24.920 Yeah, it's not, he didn't fall into a vat of acid.

00:11:28.900 Yeah.

00:11:29.240 You know what I mean?

00:11:29.920 That's what I like about this is, uh, he is, he's real.

00:11:35.380 You know, there are people like this out there and he's real and you could see this actually

00:11:41.840 happening in real life all the way to the green hair and the outfit, right?

00:11:46.800 You, it makes sense in real life.

00:11:51.000 Uh, and he, he plays a very sympathetic character, you know, for three quarters of, yeah, through

00:11:58.200 three quarters of the movie and you hear him and what the media should be talking about

00:12:04.380 is how people don't feel as though they're heard that they can't talk about that because

00:12:11.820 they're on their own agenda and they're not listening.

00:12:15.260 They're not listening to half of the country, Brexit.

00:12:19.120 They're not listening to the voters in England.

00:12:23.100 And so that's the real problem because he wouldn't have been that way if he, if people would

00:12:29.780 have listened to him and treated him with some, some basic dignity and respect.

00:12:37.640 And we've seen that before.

00:12:38.300 It doesn't always work.

00:12:39.300 I mean, a lot of some people, there are mental issues.

00:12:42.360 Oh, and he's deeply mentally disturbed. 0.81

00:12:44.080 Yeah.

00:12:44.460 You know, it's, it's an interesting thing that when you talk about mass shooters, one

00:12:47.500 of the things they, they talk about specifically, and it's one of the reasons why I don't ever

00:12:51.800 say their names, I, you know, is because these guys go through their whole lives with the

00:12:57.880 main complaint of their life being nobody listens to me.

00:13:00.980 And then they see that when they commit a mass shooting, it's the one time everybody's interested

00:13:06.280 in what they think.

00:13:07.300 Well, again, no spoiler, but what he writes in his diary.

00:13:10.200 Yeah.

00:13:10.660 Right.

00:13:11.200 I mean, that's, that's sure.

00:13:12.760 And then they go back to that over and over again.

00:13:14.640 And that's, that's why, one of the reasons why I don't want to ever give anyone that satisfaction.

00:13:19.960 I don't want anyone to know.

00:13:21.420 And I think that's, I think it's what the media should do.

00:13:23.920 I believe, um, because it's not relevant information either.

00:13:26.920 It's, uh, it's not, it's not important what their motivation is.

00:13:30.560 It's important to investigators.

00:13:31.580 It's not important to you and I.

00:13:32.540 All right.

00:13:32.640 Can we just talk about the storyline here in a sec?

00:13:35.000 Well, yeah, you've already, you're all, I don't want to give any spoilers though.

00:13:37.860 I don't want to give any spoilers out either, but I just want to.

00:13:40.540 Well, I don't, I don't, you don't want to give any spoilers out.

00:13:45.400 And yet you came after me with what's going on, what was happening in Washington last night.

00:13:49.820 Well, that's not a spoiler.

00:13:50.900 That's an important development of the country.

00:13:52.280 It's a movie spoiler.

00:13:53.660 That's a spoiler.

00:13:55.580 But I want to know the end of that one.

00:13:59.460 I'm not giving the end of either of them.

00:14:04.480 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:14:10.540 Hey, it's Glenn.

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00:14:23.940 You're the president of the United States.

00:14:26.420 And, um, you truly believe that, because I think you do and I do.

00:14:32.300 I don't know about Stu.

00:14:33.460 He's still a little bit of a neo, a neocon, but.

00:14:38.460 What?

00:14:38.860 I don't know if you've been accused of that one.

00:14:42.960 Uh, you don't spend enough time on Twitter.

00:14:44.940 Uh, so here's the, uh, here's the thing.

00:14:47.200 If I believe you believe president believes we've got to change our policies.

00:14:53.020 We've got to stop getting entangled in everybody else's war.

00:14:57.140 Yeah.

00:14:57.480 And we can't plant democracy in places where they don't understand it, nor do they want

00:15:03.500 it.

00:15:04.160 And we're not the world's policemen.

00:15:06.340 Well, we got ourselves roped into this one.

00:15:09.280 So we're there.

00:15:10.120 Well, yes, we are, but maybe it's time to come home.

00:15:14.300 Well, if we pull out, it'll cause a vacuum.

00:15:17.480 Yes, it will.

00:15:18.920 It will.

00:15:20.000 But when can we pull out?

00:15:22.500 How do you get there from here?

00:15:23.800 Right.

00:15:24.000 And so I think that the advice around the president is most likely you can't, Mr.

00:15:28.740 President, you can't because of this and this and this.

00:15:31.400 Well, okay.

00:15:32.500 I'm just telling you, I'm going to pull out at some point.

00:15:36.660 Where do give me away?

00:15:39.160 Give me away.

00:15:40.180 Nobody gives me away.

00:15:41.820 Well, okay, guys, I asked you six months ago.

00:15:44.680 I asked for some plans.

00:15:46.660 It's your job at the Pentagon to come up with some plans to get us out of there.

00:15:52.100 I'm telling you, get us out of there.

00:15:54.960 Yes, but Mr. President, the State Department and the Pentagon, they both think that this

00:15:58.960 is, I don't care.

00:16:00.560 I'm the president.

00:16:01.860 Give me a plan.

00:16:03.000 And when they don't give him a plan, that's when he says, goes on Twitter.

00:16:07.180 Fine.

00:16:08.160 We're out.

00:16:09.080 We're out.

00:16:09.560 I'm going to force the issue.

00:16:11.640 Yeah, I think that's probably what happened.

00:16:13.960 And look, he's the commander in chief, right?

00:16:15.620 I mean, this is part of his gig.

00:16:16.820 But tell me what we do.

00:16:18.300 Do we fight their war?

00:16:20.220 Do we fight another war?

00:16:21.680 Do we get into a fight with Turkey?

00:16:23.900 No.

00:16:24.660 But Turkey doesn't want to fight with us either.

00:16:26.640 So you just, you take a stand and you say, no, we're not doing that.

00:16:30.420 And what you're committing to here, right, is this is happening.

00:16:33.740 If it happens, we're not going back and in and stop it.

00:16:35.820 We're going to get out of your way and you do what you will to the Kurds. 1.00

00:16:37.620 You know, Trump tweeted about how he would put basically seemingly put sanctions on Turkey

00:16:42.020 if they did something bad, right?

00:16:43.600 Like he would go to that route.

00:16:45.160 I mean, that's probably our fallback, right?

00:16:46.960 If they do something that he, you know, the president doesn't like, he's going to come

00:16:50.360 after their economy.

00:16:51.640 Really well.

00:16:52.200 Well, you know, they've done some damage in Iran. 0.99

00:16:54.460 They've done so, you know, they're not completely ineffective.

00:16:57.060 But I mean, I think what you're saying here is like, you just want to tell the Kurds, look,

00:17:00.800 we're leaving.

00:17:01.560 If you want to leave too, probably a good time.

00:17:04.040 But if you want to stay, you're fighting your own battle.

00:17:05.760 That's essentially what's happening here, right?

00:17:07.860 It's essentially what happened.

00:17:09.020 We'll, we'll back you up on the, on the financial stuff, but we're, we're done with

00:17:12.220 this now.

00:17:13.160 And it's important to understand that our American troops in Syria are not on the front

00:17:17.960 lines.

00:17:18.320 They're not fighting these battles.

00:17:19.900 You know, the Kurds really are fighting this war for us.

00:17:22.500 Um, we are helping advise, we're helping with, you know, airstrikes, we're helping

00:17:27.560 with, you know, tools and, and resources, but we're not really, it's not like our troops

00:17:32.540 are under constant fire in Syria.

00:17:35.060 And it's also important for our troops because Elk, not Al Qaeda, ISIS is, is not dead and

00:17:41.520 will come back.

00:17:42.720 Uh, and Iran is moving now towards the Mediterranean and they've got 15,000 ISIS fighters in prisons

00:17:50.580 right now.

00:17:51.040 What's going to happen to all of them when we pull out?

00:17:53.120 Are they, are they going to remain or are they going to be set free again?

00:17:57.860 Eventually.

00:17:58.660 Are those the only two, are those the only two options? 1.00

00:18:01.940 Well, you could kill them. 1.00

00:18:03.240 Okay. 1.00

00:18:03.600 So there's two out of the three I like.

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00:18:43.680 Thanks.

00:18:43.980 First, here is Ellen from yesterday, Ellen DeGeneres.

00:18:47.360 She was this weekend with George W. Bush in Jerry Jones' skybox here in Dallas, Texas, watching the Cowboys.

00:18:57.020 Well, people went crazy on her.

00:19:01.040 Crazy.

00:19:02.160 The social media just tore her apart. 0.78

00:19:06.380 Here's what she said.

00:19:07.400 Listen.

00:19:08.260 But during the game, they showed a shot of George and me laughing together.

00:19:12.260 And so people were upset.

00:19:15.720 They thought, why is a gay Hollywood liberal sitting next to a conservative Republican president?

00:19:20.460 Didn't even notice I'm holding the brand new iPhone 11.

00:19:22.880 But a lot of people were mad, and they did what people do when they're mad.

00:19:28.600 They tweet.

00:19:29.460 But here's one tweet that I loved.

00:19:31.240 This person says, Ellen and George Bush together makes me have faith in America again.

00:19:35.080 Listen to the applause.

00:19:37.380 You're not hearing that on the view, are you?

00:19:39.100 Exactly.

00:19:42.140 Here's the thing.

00:19:42.880 I'm friends with George Bush.

00:19:44.240 In fact, I'm friends with a lot of people who don't share the same beliefs that I have.

00:19:47.740 We're all different, and I think that we've forgotten that that's okay that we're all different.

00:19:51.100 For instance, I wish people wouldn't wear fur.

00:19:53.720 I don't like it, but I'm friends with people who wear fur.

00:19:56.680 And I'm friends with people who are furry, as a matter of fact.

00:19:59.260 I have friends who should tweeze more.

00:20:01.940 And I have, but just because I don't agree with someone on everything doesn't mean that I'm not going to be friends with them.

00:20:07.420 When I say be kind to one another, I don't mean only the people that think the same way that you do.

00:20:11.880 I mean be kind to everyone.

00:20:13.940 Doesn't matter.

00:20:15.600 Okay.

00:20:16.080 Now let me give you a second example.

00:20:17.680 Here's Kanye West.

00:20:18.820 He's done another one of his Sunday services.

00:20:22.560 The crowds are diverse and massive.

00:20:27.580 Massive.

00:20:28.340 And it's hard to understand, but listen to him here.

00:20:31.820 That's the Republican Party.

00:20:34.160 It's whatever.

00:20:35.600 We love.

00:20:36.820 After a year, people want to call me a cool.

00:20:39.940 Oh, no, no.

00:20:41.900 Because I chose my right in America.

00:20:45.360 We got the right, right?

00:20:46.820 We got our own right to our own opinions, right?

00:20:50.100 But Trump's right telling me because of my color, who I'm supposed to pick as the president.

00:20:55.320 You black, so you can't like Trump. 0.75

00:20:59.820 I ain't never made a decision only based off my color. 0.98

00:21:03.480 That's a form of slavery. 0.99

00:21:05.500 Mental slavery. 0.60

00:21:06.420 That's a form of slavery. 0.99

00:21:09.880 So you have now two people, pretty popular, that are coming out and they're not sitting down.

00:21:20.100 They're not sitting down.

00:21:22.520 This is the new wave that is coming.

00:21:25.180 This is the beginning of the pendulum swinging the other direction.

00:21:29.760 People do not like this hyper partisanship where everything is political.

00:21:38.120 They don't like it.

00:21:40.320 And there is a freight train coming.

00:21:43.680 And these companies don't see it.

00:21:46.900 They don't see it.

00:21:48.500 Going to the Ellen thing here for a second.

00:21:50.360 Beyond the fact that it's a nice moment that I like.

00:21:54.060 Yeah.

00:21:54.300 I like the fact that this stuff can happen and she's so good at it.

00:21:57.420 But you have to remember that in our society over the past 20 years, has there been someone who has been more persuasive culturally than Ellen?

00:22:10.440 No.

00:22:10.680 Think of when she's, you know, she comes into our public eye and she's the, she winds up, you know, she becomes a star on her own show.

00:22:18.300 She announces that she's gay. 0.58

00:22:20.840 And the initial reaction is like, you know, not necessarily overwhelmingly positive.

00:22:27.400 It wasn't bad.

00:22:28.180 But it wasn't bad.

00:22:29.220 You know, people liked her.

00:22:30.580 But then she started kind of doing the show and it was all about that.

00:22:34.320 You know, it seemed to be that was the focus of every episode and people kind of got, weren't really into it.

00:22:38.660 And that's hang on just a second.

00:22:40.420 That is where I think America still is.

00:22:42.400 Look, I don't mind you.

00:22:43.720 I don't care.

00:22:44.400 Just don't.

00:22:44.820 Can you not make it about everything?

00:22:46.920 Right.

00:22:47.120 But what did she do?

00:22:48.400 She could have gone the activist route after that, I think, and made a case and probably been very popular and raised lots of money for liberal causes by coming out and saying, they shut my TV show down because blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:22:59.600 Instead, she's been friendly with everyone.

00:23:01.180 I mean, she, you know, her show has, we've had charity auctions here where her show is donated like free passes to go see it.

00:23:10.000 She's, she's done all sorts of things to make her producers have reached out to people on this program.

00:23:18.260 Many.

00:23:18.580 Like, I mean, it's, it's not a, they're not, they're not the buzzsaw.

00:23:23.180 And they're trying, they're presenting themselves as human beings who are likable.

00:23:28.000 And that is, and over time you've seen, I mean, just look at the numbers on, on the, the issue you'd think she'd care about gay marriage has become gone from an issue where it was in, you know, in the nineties, it was about 20%.

00:23:38.440 And now it's about 60, over 60% popularity.

00:23:41.500 Now I'm not saying Ellen's obviously completely responsible for that, but her approach has been far more effective than these activist groups.

00:23:47.920 And there's something there for us to learn too, right?

00:23:51.100 In that, not just, is it a nice moment?

00:23:53.160 It also works.

00:23:54.620 It's persuasive.

00:23:56.120 People, when people like you, they tend to agree with you more.

00:24:00.740 And if we wind up just being a group of people who, you know, who have great arguments, but everybody hates, it's not going to be, it's, it's not effective.

00:24:09.760 We, you know, it's tough because I think a lot of times we get into that sort of day to day back and forth of whatever issue is out there today, we have to win that and we have to fight.

00:24:19.780 And we, you know, you got to stand up for what you believe in, but how you do it is important too.

00:24:23.500 And if you look at the longterm, if you take a longer term approach, not just winning today's tweet battle, you wind up, I think doing things differently.

00:24:31.860 And over a longer period of time can actually, you know, win these battles and make real change and, and look, do what you can do.

00:24:40.040 You can't, you're not going to win every one of them, but I think to put the best face possible on the things you believe in, you actually have to put on, you know, the best face you have possible.

00:24:49.340 I think we're at the beginning of something.

00:24:51.240 And I think the left, if they're smart, will hijack it eventually, make it their idea.

00:24:57.860 But I think they are so far gone.

00:24:59.480 I don't know if that's going to happen.

00:25:00.840 Can I give you one more example of this?

00:25:01.860 Yeah.

00:25:01.980 Real quick.

00:25:03.380 The, what is the most, probably the most effective video we've seen in years happened last week was the video of the kid who was on the stand.

00:25:12.820 His brother was murdered, killed by a cop.

00:25:15.580 It was, she was convicted of murder, who went into the wrong apartment after going on a long day of duty.

00:25:21.680 And afterwards she said, he said, I, look, I don't even want you to go to prison.

00:25:26.140 I don't, I, I, I, I love you.

00:25:28.840 I want the best for you.

00:25:29.720 And I hope you look to Christ.

00:25:31.540 And can I give you a hug?

00:25:33.060 And then he came down and he gave the person who killed his brother a hug.

00:25:37.220 And then the judge came down and they all hugged.

00:25:39.800 And it was like an incredible moment.

00:25:42.020 Right?

00:25:42.380 Was that more effective or was the reaction from activists more effective?

00:25:48.500 Listen to this.

00:25:49.300 The moment of compassion where the judge came down off the stage and gave him a hug was fiercely debated in the days after the trial.

00:25:56.980 Some praised it as a rare and much needed moment of humanity.

00:26:00.020 Others criticized it as a potentially unconstitutional act and wondered whether a black defendant would receive similar attention in the criminal justice system.

00:26:09.400 Now, of course, they, you know, point out that the judge was black.

00:26:14.540 So I don't know exactly.

00:26:16.780 And then you get this.

00:26:17.720 It was way out of bounds, said Andrew Seidel, a lawyer with the Freedom From Religion Foundation, which filed a complaint against the judge in Texas with the State Commission of Judicial Conduct.

00:26:27.560 The group argued that Judge Kemp's decision to preach the Bible violated the First Amendment because she handed, she gave him a Bible. 0.73

00:26:35.980 Who wins that?

00:26:37.780 Which side?

00:26:38.420 Christian.

00:26:38.880 Of course.

00:26:39.920 Right?

00:26:40.200 Way more effective than the angry response that is just like, I don't, like, this is a clearly a good moment.

00:26:47.780 These are moments that you should celebrate and try to replicate, not come down on the other side.

00:26:52.640 That's why I think this approach to the impeachment is so important.

00:26:56.980 Yeah.

00:26:57.560 The one we have is not defending anybody, not getting into anybody's face.

00:27:03.860 It's just, hey, here are the facts.

00:27:06.500 Here are the facts.

00:27:08.660 This is what Obama did.

00:27:10.140 This is what Chalupa did, working with the embassy and the DNC.

00:27:16.140 This is how the people that went to jail in the Ukraine were convicted for interfering with our election on behalf of the DNC.

00:27:26.780 Donald Trump doesn't need to explain exactly what happened when it comes to the other side.

00:27:37.880 And look, I don't, I don't, you know, look, if you were grossed out by what the president said, okay, I can see that.

00:27:46.680 I can see that.

00:27:47.400 But if you thought that it was illegal, well, let's talk about that.

00:27:52.700 Let's, we should look at that.

00:27:53.920 We need more.

00:27:54.460 I don't see it yet, but I can give you more information.

00:27:56.500 Yeah.

00:27:56.700 I don't see it, but okay.

00:27:58.040 We'll talk about that.

00:27:59.040 I want to make sure that we turn over every stone, but in doing so, you got to kind of turn over every stone and look at this.

00:28:06.540 The ones that we don't have whistleblowers on, we have the actual facts and they still, they still are not all of the facts.

00:28:15.760 There's still stuff that's happening and have happened in Ukraine that we don't have, but no one will do the investigation on.

00:28:22.940 You don't have to be angry.

00:28:25.040 You just have to state the facts.

00:28:28.600 That's what that guy did.

00:28:30.220 I don't want any kind of harm to come to you.

00:28:33.280 I know your life will be changed if you take Jesus in your heart.

00:28:37.660 And I just, I love you.

00:28:40.400 And I, and I'm sorry that this happened to you, but I want you to know there's a pathway out.

00:28:47.280 That's all he's saying.

00:28:48.380 Those are the facts.

00:28:50.580 We can stick there.

00:28:53.400 But we got to be solid on the facts.

00:28:55.660 You can't do what the left is doing. 0.96

00:28:57.520 You can't be boycotting people because of bathrooms and then saying, hey, everybody, shut up. 0.97

00:29:05.040 China is a good place when they're, they're exterminating people. 1.00

00:29:10.220 It doesn't work.

00:29:11.660 You'll have no credibility.

00:29:12.940 And I think this is going to come to an end when it starts.

00:29:16.800 I think it's going to come crashing down quickly.

00:29:19.060 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:29:24.000 Bill Gertz, national security columnist for the Washington Times, senior editor at the Washington Free Beacon,

00:29:48.460 and has been with the Times since 1985, author of six books, four of them national bestsellers.

00:29:56.180 He has really done his homework on China, and there couldn't be a better time for this book to be coming out.

00:30:01.800 Welcome to the program, Bill Gertz.

00:30:03.740 Hi, Glenn.

00:30:04.440 Great to be on the show.

00:30:05.420 Yeah, great to have you.

00:30:06.460 So, Bill, first of all, I have to ask, the title of the book is Deceiving the Sky.

00:30:10.480 Can you explain what that means?

00:30:12.820 Yeah, it comes from ancient Chinese strategy.

00:30:16.460 The Chinese communists today are, despite being communists, are steeped in ancient strategy.

00:30:21.680 And this dates to, everyone is familiar with Sun Tzu, the guy who said,

00:30:26.420 the acme of skill is defeating your enemy without firing a shot.

00:30:29.800 Well, there's also a book from the same period called The 36 Strategies.

00:30:34.440 The first of those is Deceive the Sky to Cross the Ocean.

00:30:38.600 And it's a story about a Chinese general in this warring states period,

00:30:43.340 where he had to convince the emperor to go to war to a neighboring province.

00:30:48.660 And basically, he deceived the emperor into getting onto a boat and going across.

00:30:54.260 And the emperor had to decide, does he turn back or go to war?

00:30:56.900 He goes to war.

00:30:58.220 So the meaning behind this is that to defeat your enemy, you must be willing to deceive the sky.

00:31:05.180 And in China, the emperor is considered God.

00:31:07.540 So you have to even deceive God in order to achieve your goals.

00:31:11.000 And this is exactly what communist China is doing today.

00:31:14.660 Boy, between Islam and China, everybody seems, and Russia, everybody seems cool with lying to get their way. 0.98

00:31:23.620 And unfortunately, I think we're adopting many of those strategies.

00:31:28.060 Yeah.

00:31:28.440 Go ahead.

00:31:29.760 No, I was going to say deception is the key to understanding the threat from China. 0.96

00:31:34.900 They are steeped in deception.

00:31:36.320 They've deceived us for the last 40 years into thinking they're not a threat, that they're a benign power,

00:31:42.660 and that if you just be nice to them, that they'll turn into this free, open society.

00:31:47.900 It was a gamble that totally failed.

00:31:50.400 Now we've got this emerging semi-superpower that wants not only to rule the world,

00:31:56.980 but in order to do that, to defeat the United States.

00:32:00.140 I find what's happening with our corporations today terrifying, terrifying.

00:32:07.900 They know what this country is.

00:32:10.200 They know what they're doing, especially the tech companies.

00:32:12.940 They know exactly what China is doing.

00:32:15.080 And it seems the almighty dollar is greater than anything else to these people.

00:32:20.520 Well, I think we've seen that in the NBA, the craven NBA appeasement of China, 1.00

00:32:27.360 where they basically said that they were going to first one of their executives promoted democracy in Hong Kong,

00:32:34.660 and then the entire NBA kowtowed to Beijing, and it's just horrible.

00:32:41.000 This is the future if we don't push back against communist China.

00:32:44.800 All right.

00:32:45.060 So explain to people who are like, ah, China, it's not so bad. 0.99

00:32:48.380 Explain why we should care about them.

00:32:51.800 Well, like I said, we've had this 40-year gamble that if we just engage with China and trade with China, 0.91

00:32:58.460 that they'll become a benign power.

00:33:00.260 And that's been an utter failure because the first thing in deceiving the sky,

00:33:04.980 I focus a lot on communist ideology.

00:33:07.340 I even have a chapter that goes into how communists lie.

00:33:11.340 So lying is a key feature of their system.

00:33:13.680 And they've lied about what their goals and aspirations are.

00:33:17.380 And, again, they see the United States as their main enemy.

00:33:21.860 They believe that there's a massive conspiracy by the United States and the West to contain socialist, communist China.

00:33:31.040 And I've tried to highlight in all of these areas, from ideological threats to financial threats to military threats to intelligence threats.

00:33:41.160 It's across the board.

00:33:42.660 I've been covering this for over 30 years.

00:33:44.940 And it's just, like I say, it's becoming a greater threat every day.

00:33:49.020 Like I said, this NBA case is just an egregious example of appeasement of this communist dictatorship.

00:33:56.700 So how are they specifically a threat to us?

00:33:58.840 Well, militarily, they have said that they are developing weapons and capabilities, like cyber attacks and lasers, that can do incredible damage to us.

00:34:12.280 And, like I say, I outline a scenario in the book where China could, this is a fictional scenario,

00:34:17.920 where China could actually launch a global Pearl Harbor missile attack against all the ships in the U.S. Navy and just totally knock them out.

00:34:27.020 So they're developing capabilities in preparation for a future conflict with the United States.

00:34:32.920 Another alarming area is in the area of cyber.

00:34:35.540 However, the U.S. intelligence agencies have detected that China has been engaged in cyber attacks across the board inside of our system.

00:34:48.300 They're looking at basically how to map our electric grids so that if there's a crisis, they get inside of that grid and they shut down the electricity.

00:34:57.720 You know, we have 16 critical infrastructures, transportation, electric, all that.

00:35:02.880 But when you come down to it, there's really only one critical infrastructure, and that's the electric grid.

00:35:08.220 And we know they've been inside of it mapping it and preparing for future attacks.

00:35:12.840 Can I play devil's advocate, Bill?

00:35:14.720 Sure.

00:35:15.320 I hope we're doing the same thing to them.

00:35:16.940 Well, I hope so, too.

00:35:20.340 And I have not heard what we're doing, but the problem has been, and again, that would be an intelligence function.

00:35:27.700 The U.S. government has been engaged in a massive intelligence failure related to China.

00:35:33.960 And that failure is that they've under-assessed it.

00:35:36.700 I can remember back in 1999 going to the DIA and getting a briefing on the Chinese military.

00:35:43.700 And then afterwards, this colonel came in the room and said, the general would like to see you.

00:35:49.080 It was the general was the director of the DIA.

00:35:52.520 And we sat down in a windowless conference room, and he said to me, he said, Bill, China is not a threat.

00:35:59.120 And I was shocked.

00:36:00.140 And I said, why do you say that?

00:36:02.880 And he said, well, because of their statements.

00:36:04.880 And, well, it turns out that two years later, there was a Chinese spy working inside the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the general was reflecting those views.

00:36:16.400 So this is how China has influenced our views of their system.

00:36:21.760 Talk to me a little bit about the China 2025 and China 2020.

00:36:28.920 One is internal-looking, if I'm not mistaken, and the other is external, correct?

00:36:34.880 Well, there's a number of different programs.

00:36:38.860 China 2025 was their economic program to basically corner the world market on all of the high-technology areas, most notably 5G.

00:36:50.540 They have other programs here called the Thousand Talents Program,

00:36:54.140 where they're siphoning off and hiring scientists and others to go back to China and give them that expertise.

00:37:01.940 And after the White House, under the Trump administration, revealed this China 2025 program, guess what?

00:37:10.200 They decided, uh-oh, we better not talk about this anymore.

00:37:13.320 We tipped our hand.

00:37:14.380 Now the West knows what we're up to.

00:37:16.520 So they kind of made a mistake in revealing that.

00:37:20.360 And China 2020 is the control of their people, which I don't think people understand their social credit system here.

00:37:28.700 I don't think you can't say, hey, we love China, and we just want to do business with China,

00:37:34.740 and expect us to have an open and friendly relationship when they are really tracking and imprisoning their entire population.

00:37:45.660 It's Hitler's dream system. 0.99

00:37:48.800 It is a total, I call it high-tech totalitarianism.

00:37:54.680 I was in Beijing in June of 2018 with then-Defense Secretary Jim Mattis,

00:38:02.040 and I felt like it was an information desert.

00:38:05.020 You couldn't access the Internet freely.

00:38:07.200 You couldn't get social media.

00:38:08.840 You couldn't go on Google and do searches that we do so commonly every day.

00:38:14.900 They are into total control.

00:38:16.740 And, again, this goes back to the Clinton administration during the 90s where Clinton was a believer in unfettered engagement.

00:38:25.780 He said, let's give them all this high technology. 0.83

00:38:28.320 He said trying to control the Internet would be like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall.

00:38:34.920 Well, the Chinese are very close to nailing Jell-O to the wall in terms of controlling the Internet. 1.00

00:38:40.660 And if I'm not mistaken, he was the first one to sell them a supercomputer.

00:38:43.820 Well, it was across the board.

00:38:47.380 I like to point out to people that under this engagement policy, one of the worst global security failures took place,

00:38:56.140 and that was under Clinton.

00:38:57.680 They decided we were going to share nuclear cooperation with the Chinese.

00:39:01.800 So we sent our nuclear weapons laboratory scientists to China.

00:39:05.480 They sent theirs to the U.S. 1.00

00:39:07.200 And within a few short years, the CIA concluded that China, through espionage, obtained secrets on every deployed warhead in the U.S. arsenal.

00:39:17.080 They then spread that technology to Pakistan, and then Pakistan further spread it through the AQ Khan nuclear supplier network to North Korea, Iran, Syria, and Libya. 0.89

00:39:28.700 And we learned this in 2003 when we took down the Libyan nuclear program.

00:39:32.640 There were Chinese-language documents on how to make a small warhead for a missile.

00:39:37.120 I can't think of a greater disaster for U.S. and global security than trading nuclear cooperation with the Chinese. 1.00

00:39:46.620 So I want to go to kind of what you're talking about, espionage.

00:39:50.660 But it's espionage on a global scale, and here in America, I don't think people really understand how much they have stolen from us and what the ramifications are.

00:40:02.180 We'll go there with Bill Gertz in just a second.

00:40:04.440 The name of the book is Deceiving the Sky.

00:40:07.800 If you want to know what China really is, you know, it happened to be playing ball for the NBA, you might want to pick this book up before you make an apology.

00:40:15.400 So they have been stealing technology from us like crazy.

00:40:22.940 Can you give us a highlight of this?

00:40:26.800 Sure.

00:40:27.400 Yeah, first off, the White House put out a report last year, and the title was China's Economic Aggression Against the United States.

00:40:37.660 There was a big fight in the White House.

00:40:39.900 The pro-China traders said, oh, you can't say that.

00:40:43.280 You can't say economic aggression.

00:40:44.840 And they said, well, yes, we can.

00:40:47.300 And one of the reasons was, as they outlined in this report, that China is obtaining between $250 billion and $600 billion annually in American intellectual property and high technology.

00:41:00.940 No nation can survive, especially when our economy is so wedded to the high-tech sector.

00:41:06.460 So this gives you a sense of how serious the problem is.

00:41:11.880 And it's not that they're stealing, you know, books from us.

00:41:14.440 They've always just taken – I've got a Chinese copy of Harry Potter that's not Harry Potter, but it is Harry Potter.

00:41:19.740 They don't care about things like that.

00:41:22.480 But they're going even to places where you're building turbines, and they didn't know how to build a turbine, and they'll say, okay, we'll buy these turbines from you, but one of our people has to be there to witness the whole thing.

00:41:35.380 When they do, they hack into the site, they take all of the technology, all the know-how, and then they can't – in this particular case, they canceled the contract on the turbines.

00:41:45.760 Yeah, it's unbelievable, the scope of the intellectual property theft and acquisition.

00:41:54.960 I mean, it ranges from government secrets, and I highlight that in the book, about how they stole the C-17 design information worth $3.4 billion from Boeing.

00:42:08.760 And then they went out and built their own Y-20 transport, the same thing.

00:42:12.960 Same thing, they also stole secrets on our fighter jets.

00:42:17.100 So on the commercial side, again, it's, again, a staggering amount.

00:42:22.340 Trump has done something very unique.

00:42:24.880 He has basically said, look, we're not going to allow this kind of theft to take place.

00:42:29.900 And it was allowed to happen under successive Republican and Democratic administrations.

00:42:35.260 They looked the other way, they said nothing, and it continued to happen.

00:42:38.980 So Trump is saying, just like we did in the latter stages of the Cold War against the Soviet Union, when we blocked Western and U.S. technology, he's saying, OK, let's see what kind of a Chinese economic miracle can exist without stolen U.S. technology.

00:42:55.940 And my guess is we're starting to see a kind of decline in the Chinese economy.

00:43:00.000 So I think it's kind of working.

00:43:02.120 I will tell you this, I'm big time against tariffs.

00:43:06.340 But what he's doing in China, I generally agree with.

00:43:11.360 5G and Huawei is potentially deadly to the West.

00:43:19.820 Oh, absolutely.

00:43:20.500 I mean, we are in a real national security race for this new technology.

00:43:27.180 You know, the thing to understand about 5G, it's not just a jump from 4G to 5G as the next generation.

00:43:35.020 It's really a quantum leap in the ability to move information and data at ultra-high speeds.

00:43:42.840 And that has a huge impact both commercially and for national security.

00:43:47.140 If you think of 4G as being, because it is, it's a pipeline of information.

00:43:52.660 If you think of that as a garden hose, 5G is a garden hose the size of the channel.

00:44:04.080 Exactly.

00:44:05.060 Exactly.

00:44:05.600 And they're trying to corner the market on that.

00:44:08.040 And the way they're doing that is, again, it's part of their strategy known as the Belt and Road.

00:44:12.720 They're working in underdeveloped nations to get those nations to buy into Chinese 5G infrastructure,

00:44:20.640 which is like repeater cells and that kind of thing.

00:44:24.020 And once they do that, they will have access to that data.

00:44:27.480 The military is really scrambling to try and figure out a way to prevent China from cornering the market on 5G,

00:44:33.760 because it's going to have a significant impact on the ability to do military operations anywhere in the U.S.

00:44:41.360 or to defend the country against attacks if the Chinese control worldwide the 5G networks.

00:44:47.800 And they control all of the information.

00:44:50.080 They'll be able to hack anything if their spine is where all of the information is traveling on.

00:45:01.660 Correct?

00:45:03.120 It's both intelligence as well as the ability to cut off or stop the use of 5G.

00:45:09.840 If they control the infrastructure, for example, they could cut off 5G, the military's use of 5G,

00:45:17.980 somewhere in the United States, which would, again, cripple us, 0.89

00:45:21.540 just like they could cripple our satellites by firing missiles at maybe like a dozen or so satellites they could cripple.

00:45:28.740 So these are the things they're doing.

00:45:30.240 It's really a Cold War with China, and yet there's only one side waging it, and that's Beijing.

00:45:36.500 Are we getting better with Trump?

00:45:39.260 Oh, absolutely.

00:45:40.620 It's been a tectonic shift.

00:45:43.500 I point out in the book that early, President-elect held a meeting at Trump Tower early after he was elected,

00:45:50.460 and he brought together all the top tech executives, and he asked them what their concerns were,

00:45:55.060 and all of them said, you have to do something about China stealing our technology,

00:45:59.980 or we're not going to be able to survive.

00:46:01.840 All right, more in just a second.

00:46:03.260 The name of the book is Deceiving the Sky Inside Communist China's Drive for Global Supremacy. 0.77

00:46:09.560 The author is Bill Gertz.

00:46:11.000 The Blaze Radio Network.

00:46:15.900 On Demand.

The Glenn Beck Program - October 08, 2019

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