Glenn and Stu discuss a new poll that shows an incredible increase in the amount of people who believe Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself. Also, Stacey Abrams has an interesting discovery about why she won the governor's race.
00:00:25.240The holidays, when you think of the holidays, think Jeffrey Epstein here at the Boys.
00:00:30.060We go into that and the new poll that shows an incredible increase in the amount of people who believe Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself.
00:00:38.400I don't know if it's because of the t-shirts or because everyone's saying it, the hashtag, but people are definitely starting to believe that.
00:00:44.380And nothing says Happy Thanksgiving better than three broken bones in your neck, does it?
00:04:03.960And even with this one, like, there's, there are a lot of people that would, are acting in ways that don't make sense if you're trying to cover up a murder.
00:04:14.060There's a lot of people who are totally unrelated to this, saying things that are not consistent or don't make a lot of sense.
00:04:23.500Why would they be involved in a cover-up?
00:04:25.500Like, it doesn't, it's a very far-ranging thing.
00:04:27.760And I keep coming back to the idea that if you wanted to kill Jeffrey Epstein, you had 10 years of this guy just walking around Miami, right?
00:04:35.500Like, well, you know, he was very available to kill, and he was, he had a private island.
00:04:40.780You could have just showed up when he was there, right?
00:04:43.160Like, there's a lot of ways to kill Jeffrey Epstein that are much easier than waiting until he is in a cell.
00:04:48.660Well, Bill was on the plane with him 26 times.
00:05:54.120Like, I feel like there's some, and this is what I think is going to be a big one for a lot of people.
00:05:57.660I mean, we're up to half of America already that believe it, which is fast.
00:06:01.740They need to do a really thorough report and convince the American people if this was not something more than suicide, you really need to walk people through it, I think.
00:06:12.000Because it just doesn't seem possible.
00:06:52.580It's just, it's one of those things that just doesn't make sense.
00:06:56.620I know, like, my chosen conspiracy theory, my little pet one, which turned out to be seemingly true, at least in a book that came out last year, was the whole John Roberts, Obamacare.
00:07:08.840Where he changed his mind at the last second and rewrote it.
00:07:13.080And it was, he was supposed to be on the side of the conservative argument and last minute switched.
00:07:20.380It does seem like that one was actually true.
00:07:22.640Now, there's, you know, the extension of that theory is that he did it for some illicit reason.
00:08:32.720So, you know, that one, I don't know, you know, if that's even a conspiracy theory anymore.
00:08:37.820But this one is, it's just one of those things that I think almost everybody believes is way too suspicious.
00:08:47.940Even if you are completely fine, okay, yeah, he killed himself.
00:08:51.020Because, look, there's a lot of reasons for the guy to kill himself.
00:08:53.900Here's a guy who lived his entire life, you know, following, you know, receiving every little pleasure he wanted from every little illegal person or illegal act that he could have maintained it from.
00:09:48.680But he was able to continue this lifestyle.
00:09:52.500And we don't know how many women, you know, he was, he was with, but we do know that like when he, he had, this is after, um, and women is not the right word.
00:10:03.100I should, I should, I should note women, not the right word in this particular context, but he was, you know, he was sleeping with all these girls.
00:10:09.120He got caught, went to jail, then got out, finally cleared himself of all these huge punishments.
00:10:16.260Cause I mean, you know, when you, when you wind up, uh, luring 30, 40, 50 high school girls for, you know, for sex to your home.
00:10:23.960I mean, you figure private wing leaving all the time, you know, in a year or so, it's about right for a punishment.
00:10:33.440But he continues to like, for example, he continues, has, has reporters over for interviews to his house in New York and who answers the door?
00:10:44.720Like a teenage girl, 19 year old girls from like the Eastern block.
00:40:04.900So, in 2004, she published a book, and she's done several since, but this one was under the name Selena Montgomery, one of eight novels she's written under that name.
00:40:18.020The book was entitled Never Tell, and it follows the tale of a criminal psychologist with a dark past who works with an investigative journalist who is searching for a serial killer in New Orleans.
00:40:31.340So, CBS is doing a full series on this.
00:48:04.340Well, what – you know, people hear this stuff and they think that it's pure fiction because it reads like something out of a Michael Crichton novel.
00:48:11.500And we were – you know, as Candace Ortiz, our editorial producer, was doing research, we were looking into these things.
00:48:18.340And we discovered that one of the things that Epstein found was that they were collecting the sperm of Nobel Prize recipients.
00:48:25.800And they were putting it together in a lab because they felt that the world was getting dumber.
00:48:30.940And that is their word, quote, dumber.
00:48:32.880And I have to agree with them in that regard.
00:48:35.240But what they were doing is they were wanting to start this whole new – this whole generation of smart people.
00:48:43.140And they were going to – and so Epstein heard this.
00:48:44.980Now, first of all, what you have to understand for a guy who accomplished so much, based on his history, Epstein was not a smart people.
00:49:09.400He was going to bring – we're going to talk about that tonight on the special.
00:49:13.200Tonight's episode is called The Devil Has Blue Eyes.
00:49:15.880And that was their whole thing is they were going to bring in 20 girls at a time, impregnate them.
00:49:20.660They had to sign away all rights to the child.
00:49:23.040And it was going to be raised by, of course, Epstein and his – Jelaine Maxwell, who was sort of the queen to his whole chess set there that made all the connections for him and kind of ran the ring.
00:49:36.960He wanted to raise 20 children by himself with Giselle?
00:49:41.680Obviously, you know, one would think he would have some help out there.
00:49:44.900But, I mean, that – when you start seeing how big it is, it really is cult-like.
00:49:49.180And that's one of the things that people don't realize.
00:49:52.040And that's the dangerous place that we kind of stepped into because we start talking about the King Ranch in New Mexico.
00:49:59.660A lot of people think of the King Ranch in Texas, two totally different things.
00:50:03.720Of course, Bruce King was at one time the governor of New Mexico, and they passed down political positions like family heirlooms in New Mexico.
00:50:11.100They owned most of not only New Mexico ranch lands, but they also are the major producer of corn in the U.S.
00:50:19.560And in most interviews when they talk about the King Ranch, and I'll tell you why that's significant in a second, they actually bleep out that name.
00:50:27.940But Epstein's New Mexico compound – of course, we know about the Virgin Islands, the Little James Island that he flew the Lolita Express to.
00:50:35.700What they don't know is that he had a 10,000-acre compound with a 27,000-square-foot home right in the middle of the King Ranch.
00:50:44.980You could not get to it unless you went over it or through the King Ranch.
00:50:48.920So he, in essence, isolated himself with one of the most political families, most powerful families in New Mexico.
00:50:56.540It was like building a moat around your ranch.
00:51:01.460And now we're starting to see these pictures that are emerging from the king for, I should say, what he called the Zorro Ranch there in the middle of New Mexico.
00:51:12.000So that's where he was going to do that.
00:51:13.960It's a pretty creepy place when you think about it.
00:51:15.900Just down the road, there is a therapy place for Catholic priests that were caught in pedophilia.
00:51:24.420There is a home for orphans that was co-founded by Prince Charles.
00:51:32.160It's, of course, not far from where they tested the atomic bombs and, again, set up a lot of the Nazi war criminals that they brought in to do genetic testing and create these things.
00:51:42.900So New Mexico is a place for cryogenics, eugenics, and transhumanism, which is exactly what he's trying to accomplish in bringing these kids in.
00:51:50.380So there's so many things that people don't know about the life of Jeffrey Epstein that are weird.
00:51:57.480But his legacy lives on in a big way because he was not doing these things by himself.
00:52:03.380And the people he was doing them with are still very much alive.
00:52:06.460And so that's kind of the angle we tell the story from.
00:52:08.880And honestly, Pat and Stu, whenever we tell this story, the average American, they look at the memes or they say Epstein didn't kill himself, and that's all.
00:53:20.500You know, my first thought is I wanted to question Barack Obama.
00:53:26.140Maybe he's got a – it's funny because he really tried to rebuild his credibility after the arrest by these sort of like association.
00:53:38.580He would try to find the – he donated tons of money to universities and centers that were on the cutting edge of science and tried to kind of play himself off as this scientist when he – I mean, he wasn't.
00:53:52.620And he tried to do this thing where he just basically tried to associate himself back into the good graces of, you know, upstanding society.
00:54:10.000Here's a college dropout who's now associating himself, and they're actually identifying almost as a colleague in Harvard science schools.
00:54:19.620You know, he donates $40 million to what he was kind of into, and not only that, they've never given a dime back.
00:54:31.800MIT actually received a large donation.
00:54:34.360They started giving some money back to disassociate themselves.
00:54:37.400But you're talking about a guy who's basically his madam, if you will, his child procurer, his female procurer, Jelaine Maxwell, who is still at large.
00:55:35.300Good thing you don't like to party because you're not getting one.
00:55:37.580And so there's some – where there's smoke, there's fire, and there's things that are there, and that's what we've tried to do in these three episodes to say, look, yeah, he may be dead.
00:55:50.220He may be on an island with a facelift.
00:55:52.120We don't know, but the legacy of it and the danger of it still lives on.
00:56:31.940And so he was doing really, really well at Bear Stearns the first year and only year he was there.
00:56:38.000And then he decided to resign, even though he was just killing it financially for them.
00:56:43.240He resigned, saying he was going on to bigger and better opportunities.
00:56:46.580And that's the first sign you see of his M.O., and that is he was taking Bear Stearns' money and using it to buy influence.
00:56:55.620So he was giving people loans, in essence embezzling, but he wasn't keeping the money for himself.
00:57:01.480He was buying influence with powerful people, and he started the J. Epstein Company.
00:57:05.960He associated himself with numerous people like Wes Wexner – Les Wexner, I'm sorry – who owns, of course, things like The Limited and Bath & Body Works and Victoria's Secret.
00:57:17.260And he – and Wexner would even – and this is just one example.
00:57:22.020Wexner would turn all of his assets over to Epstein as a financial counselor, and Epstein would even replace people on their advisory board that were family members.
00:57:33.540And he'd say, no, you don't need that person.
00:57:35.180And then these multimillionaires would come to Epstein, and he would say, you have too much money.
00:57:48.040This is the thing that – he winds up with like $460 million after being involved with the Hoffenberg Ponzi scheme, which is the world's biggest Ponzi scheme that we've ever known.
00:57:59.360Hoffenberg, of course, goes to jail for 18 years.
00:58:19.460You make such a great point on how he used – it wasn't about his money.
00:58:23.660It was about the way that he – he sort of like was willing to cross lines like crazy in every part of his life but do it with a respectable face.
00:58:32.080So, people could associate with this really rich guy who seemed really accomplished and smart, and no one would suspect that behind the scenes he was willing to cross all these lines.
00:58:42.580I mean, you look at the stuff he did in Miami with the girls.
00:58:45.900It's not just like he was hooking up with young girls.
00:58:49.060The guy built a gigantic system to allow himself with recruitment, with how to import them, how to hide it, what to ask for.
00:58:59.340I mean, even go to when he's in prison, and he's supposed to be in a cell and doesn't want to be in a cell.
00:59:06.300So, he pays his way to have lawyers be there basically every minute he's awake so he's in meetings with lawyers, and he doesn't actually have to stay in the cell.
00:59:16.780I mean, he was a way – he was able to bend and break rules to create systems to allow otherwise respectable people to do things that are not respected.
00:59:26.940Yeah, and you take someone like Bill Gates, who is on record of saying, you know, hey, he's a very interesting guy with very interesting ideas.
00:59:35.700You know, when Stephen Hawking is hanging around, these guys, they weren't interested in his brain.
00:59:41.600They were interested in his influence and his money in that regard of the things that he could get done with his charm.
00:59:49.600And even when he was in prison before he died, there would be people who – other prisoners who would have $100 here and there that would just show up in their commissary account, and it was coming from Epstein.
01:00:00.900So, even when he was in jail, he was buying influence and buying these favors.
01:00:04.600The special is three nights, and you can watch all of it on demand.