The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Christopher Rufo ｜ 7⧸24⧸23

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00:00:04.960 I don't want to get into it, but Stubergear, we're just going to leave it at innocent until proven guilty.

00:00:14.840 He should be back on the podcast tomorrow.

00:00:17.120 I think the judge is just going to, you know, let it go.

00:00:21.240 I don't think it was that big of a deal, but we'll find out.

00:00:24.540 Stu will probably be with us tomorrow.

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00:02:10.500 You're listening to...

00:02:12.420 The Best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:02:17.680 Welcome to the program.

00:02:18.980 It's Glenn and Pat.

00:02:21.040 Stu is...

00:02:21.960 I'm just...

00:02:22.640 Let's just...

00:02:23.640 Innocent until proven guilty.

00:02:25.300 We'll leave it at that.

00:02:26.200 Tell you more later.

00:02:28.120 It should be...

00:02:29.180 I mean, he was...

00:02:32.320 He's...

00:02:33.180 I mean, he's unavailable right now.

00:02:35.400 But I think the attorneys will have this all cleared up.

00:02:38.100 And he'll be back tomorrow.

00:02:40.280 A Lowe's employee was fired from her job for attempting to stop shoplifters

00:02:46.180 trying to steal over $2,000 worth of merchandise in Georgia.

00:02:50.980 Now, let me...

00:02:51.600 Let me say...

00:02:53.180 This I really would like to bring to you.

00:02:56.420 With the understanding that there are two kinds of people in America.

00:03:01.300 There are the kind of people that create good things in America.

00:03:06.300 And those that enable really bad things to happen in America.

00:03:11.120 Donna Hannesboro previously worked at the Lowe's store in Rinsen, Georgia.

00:03:18.780 It was last week, I think.

00:03:21.280 No, it was four weeks ago.

00:03:22.500 It was in June 25th.

00:03:23.580 The then-employee attempted to thwart a shoplifting attempt.

00:03:29.840 Three suspects reportedly loaded up a shopping cart with merchandise

00:03:33.940 and exited the home improvement store with the stolen items.

00:03:37.900 The police department said in a statement, Lowe's employee, Donna Hansborough,

00:03:45.660 attempted to stop one of the subjects by grabbing the shopping cart.

00:03:50.240 She did not at any time make contact with any person.

00:03:54.500 The cart that Donna grabbed was in the possession of a subject, Taika Barry.

00:03:59.680 After Donna grabbed the cart, Barry struck Donna in the face three times, 1.00

00:04:05.260 causing Donna's right eye to swell and blacken. 1.00

00:04:08.700 The police department identified the other two shoplifting suspects

00:04:12.500 as Jamar Lawton and Joseph Barry, the uncle of Taika Barry.

00:04:19.800 Police say they had arrested Lawton,

00:04:22.980 but are still searching for the uncle and the niece suspects.

00:04:26.360 Authorities say that Trio stole merchandise worth $2,100.

00:04:33.060 Police said Lowe's fired Hansborough for attempting to stop the theft,

00:04:38.080 which violated the company's policy against intervening with shoplifters.

00:04:43.320 Hansborough had worked for Lowe's for 13 years.

00:04:47.240 They say, if you see somebody stealing something and taking it out the door,

00:04:51.120 not to pursue, not to go out.

00:04:53.380 I lost it.

00:04:54.300 I grabbed the cart.

00:04:55.120 I don't actually remember going out, but I did.

00:04:57.840 And I grabbed the cart that had stolen items in it.

00:05:01.040 I just get tired of seeing things go out the door.

00:05:04.860 I just lost it.

00:05:08.060 Thank you.

00:05:09.720 I want to get her on the air.

00:05:12.020 Sarah, can you ask one of our producers, see if we can get Donna on the air?

00:05:15.760 I would really like to talk to her.

00:05:18.520 Because that is who we should be.

00:05:21.440 You can't have these companies that are just saying, yeah, just let them go.

00:05:26.600 If you let them go, it's only going to get worse.

00:05:30.260 What one generation tolerates, the next generation embraces.

00:05:36.240 So what does that mean as it gets worse and worse?

00:05:39.860 Do we still happen to have the video from San Francisco from the mall last week?

00:05:47.120 I think it was in Friday's stack of stuff.

00:05:51.720 It's amazing.

00:05:53.540 One of the biggest malls in San Francisco, right down by the harbor.

00:05:59.080 Beautiful mall.

00:06:01.180 Ghost town.

00:06:03.420 Absolute ghost town.

00:06:05.240 This guy took on YouTube.

00:06:07.260 He just took a tour of it and showed empty, empty, empty.

00:06:11.920 Not a soul in the place.

00:06:14.300 There was like one, I think it was a nail salon in it. 1.00

00:06:17.600 And it's got a Hyatt Regency attached to it.

00:06:20.640 It was a really nice place.

00:06:25.440 Now it's just so dangerous.

00:06:27.520 Nobody can do anything.

00:06:29.220 What do you suppose lows your policies lead to?

00:06:38.580 You either have to work for companies that get this.

00:06:43.700 And if your company is this far off the base, they are part of the problem.

00:06:49.320 They will only increase the danger in your neighborhood.

00:06:53.680 If they don't, if cops, I mean not cops, if robbers just feel they can get away with anything

00:07:03.040 and nothing's going to be done, you will be ruled by the worst kind of people,

00:07:09.060 whether they're in office or just ruling your streets.

00:07:12.980 It's insane.

00:07:14.420 And everybody who is doing it, every person that is in a city and it's happening to you,

00:07:24.220 you have to stand up.

00:07:26.320 You have to stand up to your city council. 0.99

00:07:28.480 You have to stand up to your mayor or your governor or whoever's launching this garbage. 0.97

00:07:35.880 Otherwise, we're going to lose it all.

00:07:38.300 And that's why, how many businesses have moved completely out of San Francisco now?

00:07:43.400 It's been, I mean, this was months ago.

00:07:46.520 It was at least two dozen.

00:07:48.500 And I think it's way more than that.

00:07:50.300 Oh, it's more than that.

00:07:51.260 Yeah.

00:07:51.580 I think it's way more than that.

00:07:52.140 Oh, it's like Nordstrom's is gone.

00:07:54.000 The big stores are gone.

00:07:56.280 Try to get medicine from a CVS, gone.

00:08:00.180 They just can't handle the theft anymore.

00:08:02.040 And that's why you see so many convenience stores or stores in downtown San Francisco

00:08:08.600 locking everything up.

00:08:10.860 Uh, you, there's nothing you can go buy at, at, uh, at a convenience store in San Francisco

00:08:17.680 anymore, uh, without the employee coming in and locking that area because people just

00:08:23.420 come in and steal it all.

00:08:24.380 So bad.

00:08:26.980 I went to a CVS or a Dwayne Reed and when I was in, uh, New York last time, uh, I think

00:08:34.240 it was around Christmas last year and it was insanity.

00:08:38.440 You, there were employees that had keys for every single row.

00:08:44.440 And if you wanted something, you had to wait for the guy with a key to get into that row.

00:08:49.880 And it was like toothpaste.

00:08:51.440 Yeah.

00:08:52.240 Can you imagine?

00:08:53.020 It was like a prison pharmacy.

00:08:54.440 It was crazy.

00:08:55.740 How much is that hampered their business too?

00:08:57.920 I mean, the sales have to go down a lot because of that.

00:09:02.640 And nobody wants that.

00:09:03.600 Well, you're not just, you're not just grabbing stuff off the shelf.

00:09:06.700 You know, you know, there's, there's, there's anything that you're like, I don't know.

00:09:10.940 I'll give that a try.

00:09:11.800 That's over.

00:09:12.660 You go specifically for what you're looking for.

00:09:15.320 Hey, an update for you on Friday, we brought you the exclusive that Fox News corporate had

00:09:21.620 a program that matched donations to charities like, uh, Planned Parenthood, the Southern Poverty

00:09:28.380 Law Center, and they satanic temple.

00:09:31.440 They were matching 100% donations to the satanic temple and others.

00:09:39.100 Uh, my producer, Ricky saw it with her own eyes via video tour from a whistleblower inside,

00:09:44.140 spoke with three sources inside of Fox to confirm.

00:09:47.320 We showed you the evidence in the screenshots and then did our due diligence and asked Fox,

00:09:53.540 why would they match donation to charities that hate Fox News and go against their audience values?

00:10:00.660 Would it be a, would it really be a shame, uh, for you if they were using Fox nation subscriber

00:10:07.640 money to match donations to these charities?

00:10:11.640 We also asked them why Billy Graham's evangelicals, uh, evangelicals, evangelical association was

00:10:21.040 not eligible for donation matching.

00:10:23.940 Uh, maybe it had to do with the DEI like donation policy, or maybe it was just a glitch.

00:10:29.560 We don't know.

00:10:31.000 We started our investigation on their portal.

00:10:33.720 There, uh, has been an update now showing that an invitation to Billy Graham charity had been

00:10:40.580 sent to join the Fox giving program.

00:10:43.520 Now that's curious because that makes you understand that groups like the satanic temple are not auto

00:10:51.400 loaded.

00:10:51.900 It seems into the Fox giving portal by third party apps.

00:10:56.620 If invitations to join the portal are being sent, we can't confirm the little mystery there because

00:11:04.060 they never got back to us.

00:11:05.620 Even though we have, uh, haven't really heard a peep from Fox, our source notice a pretty big

00:11:11.920 update over the weekend on Wednesday night.

00:11:15.220 We pulled a screenshot from the portal where we could see on the screen, how the satanic temple

00:11:20.520 was eligible for 100% donation, a match from Fox up to a thousand dollars.

00:11:26.960 We showed it to you on Friday's broadcast.

00:11:29.500 You're seeing it now.

00:11:30.300 If you're watching the blaze by Sunday morning, the satanic temple was still in their Fox giving 1.00

00:11:36.820 portal, but you can see it's no longer eligible for donation matching.

00:11:42.000 Oh, so now just the satanists that want to give, they can give.

00:11:46.840 We'd like to know we've reached back out to Fox to ask, and we'll keep you updated.

00:11:52.260 Uh, if we hear anything back or see anything change, this is incredible how far Fox has

00:12:00.440 fallen.

00:12:03.640 Thus the dump Fox, uh, promo code perhaps where you get $30 off your subscription.

00:12:10.360 Well, I mean, here's one thing we don't do.

00:12:16.380 We don't, uh, give money to Planned Parenthood or Verizon, uh, or, uh, or, uh, or the satanic

00:12:22.720 temple, the satanic temple.

00:12:24.540 Yeah.

00:12:24.700 Yeah.

00:12:25.260 We don't, we don't do that.

00:12:26.900 And so you won't, I don't give anything to the Southern poverty.

00:12:29.300 Huh?

00:12:29.900 That's weird.

00:12:30.380 No, no, no, I won't do it.

00:12:33.000 I won't do it.

00:12:33.940 Isn't that discriminatory? 0.94

00:12:35.000 You know, I do.

00:12:35.480 Isn't that discriminatory? 0.94

00:12:36.700 Hmm?

00:12:37.060 Isn't that a little bit discriminatory?

00:12:39.140 Yeah, it is.

00:12:41.000 I have what's called a discriminating taste.

00:12:44.660 You know, it used to be a good thing.

00:12:46.580 Mm-hmm.

00:12:47.140 You know, when you're like, oh, I don't know.

00:12:49.640 It's my money.

00:12:50.820 I want to put it to the right place.

00:12:53.980 Let me think about it and use some discrimination to say, Satan, God, I'm going to go with God.

00:13:05.480 I'm going to go with God.

00:13:06.400 Wow.

00:13:06.560 Okay.

00:13:06.900 You know, and it's hard because Fox News is so much, much bigger than I am.

00:13:12.420 So they got a lot of money going to that satanic temple, which, by the way, I am so done with 0.98

00:13:18.640 people saying, oh, they're not really Satanist.

00:13:22.760 What would you expect a Satanist to say?

00:13:25.900 Going to tell you the truth?

00:13:27.380 We don't really, yeah, we're not really Satanists.

00:13:30.980 We just do that, you know, and we say that and, you know, put Satan statues around, you know,

00:13:37.800 because it's provocative, you know, it's provocative and, you know, gets people to think, does it?

00:13:45.300 And, you know, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

00:13:50.860 We've gone to court to try to force New Mexico to, you know, give us the go ahead on the ritualistic abortion ceremony that we do. 1.00

00:14:06.140 But that's, you know, nothing to do with Satan, though, right?

00:14:09.400 No.

00:14:09.800 Nothing to do with Satan.

00:14:11.020 No.

00:14:11.300 No. 1.00

00:14:11.540 We're just ritualistically killing a baby.

00:14:14.500 And there's a lot of people that do that, you know, that aren't connected to Satan.

00:14:21.460 Can't think of any right now.

00:14:23.220 Did you just see the Gallup poll that shows that belief in God is down to 74% in America now?

00:14:32.300 And they did five spiritual entities.

00:14:36.160 They did God, hell, heaven, angels, and the devil.

00:14:42.440 74% believe in God.

00:14:44.320 Only 58% believe in the devil.

00:14:47.340 How is that possible that there's not, if you believe in one, wouldn't you?

00:14:51.900 It doesn't exist.

00:14:52.280 Yeah, right.

00:14:53.180 Exactly.

00:14:54.100 No.

00:14:54.120 He does not exist.

00:14:56.560 Everybody says that the devil exists.

00:14:59.280 They have no idea what they're talking about.

00:15:03.300 Just a guy with a deep voice.

00:15:05.200 Mm-hmm.

00:15:05.840 And little points on his head.

00:15:07.640 But on that note, nothing to it.

00:15:13.760 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:15:17.240 So let's start with the movie Oppenheimer.

00:15:20.740 And some of the things that will bring it to life.

00:15:27.360 If you happen to be at the museum when we took it on the road here recently, and by the way, I'm having meetings hopefully next month with some companies that will help us take it on the road all next year.

00:15:42.820 So it can be seen all over the country.

00:15:45.600 It is truly remarkable.

00:15:47.600 And I want to just show you, this was just one small section of the World War II section.

00:15:54.300 And it revolves around everything that Oppenheimer did.

00:15:59.060 And when we dropped the bomb, we had no idea what it was going to do.

00:16:10.080 We have now in the collection, and this was just purchased, so we don't have the physical object with me.

00:16:18.980 And I can't give you the full, I can't read you the whole thing because I don't have it yet.

00:16:26.100 But it was a letter to his mom and dad.

00:16:31.600 He was the co-pilot of Enola Gay.

00:16:35.480 He also was asked to keep a calendar, you know, a TikTok, if you will, minute by minute, what was happening.

00:16:43.080 And I've read the original, and it is unbelievable.

00:16:48.020 But let me give you the summary of it here because I don't have the original.

00:16:52.900 Briefing at 2400, eating at 0030, mom and dad.

00:17:00.800 We started engines at 0227.

00:17:04.680 We taxied out and took off at 0235.

00:17:08.520 We then got off the ground at exactly 245.

00:17:12.100 At the last minute before takeoff, our cruising altitude had been changed, which means possibly a rougher trip.

00:17:20.940 Starting out as an uneventful flight, he then continues to record as the bomb technicians make the final adjustments to the bombs.

00:17:30.500 At 0320, items 1 through 11 were completed by Captain Parsons.

00:17:36.800 In an echo of his hope to fly the mission and his resentment at being relegated to co-pilot, he says,

00:17:43.860 Colonel Tibbetts has been hard at work with the usual tasks that belong to the pilot of a B-29.

00:17:49.740 As the hours count down, he begins to write, and now everything is in the dark.

00:17:57.300 There are no lights inside the B-29.

00:18:01.140 They don't want any indication that this plane is up.

00:18:04.920 He begins to write everything in the dark.

00:18:07.400 And you can see sometimes his handwriting is very slanted and goes into other lines.

00:18:11.920 By 0552, it's beginning to be real light outside, then climbing to 9,000 feet.

00:18:22.440 We'll stay here until we're about an hour away from the Empire.

00:18:26.280 Then, the bomber makes a rendezvous with two other B-29s equipped with observation and photographic gear.

00:18:34.380 Together, the three aircraft climb to an altitude of 30,000 feet.

00:18:39.880 Everyone will be relieved when we have left our bomb and get halfway home.

00:18:45.780 Better yet, all the way home.

00:18:48.180 At 0730, he writes,

00:18:52.320 We are loaded.

00:18:53.680 The bomb is now alive.

00:18:56.860 It's a disturbing and funny feeling knowing it's right in back of you.

00:19:02.460 Now, at this point, Hiroshima has been identified as the primary target.

00:19:07.360 Two secondary targets had also been selected in the event of unfavorable weather conditions.

00:19:11.900 The two scout planes radio back information on the conditions, you know, cloud conditions, etc., etc., over the targets.

00:19:20.660 We just received a report that our primary is the best target.

00:19:25.240 So, we will make a run on Hiroshima.

00:19:28.540 Right now, we're 25 miles from the Empire.

00:19:33.260 Finally, the crews were in place and it was time to execute the mission.

00:19:39.040 Quote,

00:19:41.560 There will be a short intermission while we bomb our target.

00:19:45.900 This was followed by a brief blow-by-below description of the bomb run,

00:19:51.120 culminating in the detonation at 8.16.02 a.m.

00:19:58.700 For the next minute, no one knew what to expect.

00:20:02.460 The bombardier and the right-seat jockey, or pilot Tibbs,

00:20:06.200 both forgot to put on their dark glasses and therefore witness the flash, which was terrific.

00:20:13.540 Fifteen seconds after the flash, there were two very distinct slaps on the ship.

00:20:19.280 Then, there was all the physical effects that we felt.

00:20:23.180 We then turned the ship so we could observe the results.

00:20:26.980 And there, in front of our eyes,

00:20:29.120 was it, without a doubt,

00:20:31.760 the greatest explosion man has ever witnessed.

00:20:36.480 He then, on the paper, draws what he saw.

00:20:41.220 Struggling for words at this minute,

00:20:43.560 he finally continues,

00:20:45.100 I am certain the entire crew felt this experience was more than any human had ever thought possible.

00:20:53.560 It just seems impossible to comprehend.

00:20:57.400 Just how many did we kill?

00:21:00.480 I honestly have a feeling of groping for words to explain this.

00:21:04.700 Or, I might say,

00:21:07.200 My God, what have we done?

00:21:09.980 If I live a hundred years,

00:21:11.960 I'll never quite get those few minutes out of my mind.

00:21:19.460 That's from the co-pilot

00:21:20.980 of the Enola Gay,

00:21:23.440 the little boy mission,

00:21:25.120 number one.

00:21:25.740 We did it again.

00:21:29.980 But we did something else.

00:21:31.700 Before we dropped this bomb,

00:21:33.660 because of Oppenheimer,

00:21:35.760 because they had seen it,

00:21:37.740 and they did not ever want it dropped,

00:21:41.360 Harry Truman knew,

00:21:43.540 if we drop this bomb,

00:21:46.020 it will mean that 0.92

00:21:47.420 we'll probably

00:21:49.560 come to an end

00:21:51.680 of this war,

00:21:52.760 and it will actually save lives.

00:21:56.760 Because

00:21:57.140 the Japanese

00:21:59.560 had been convinced by the Emperor

00:22:01.740 that we were savages,

00:22:04.060 and that 0.96

00:22:04.420 we were worse than

00:22:06.700 their worst nightmare.

00:22:09.080 And remember,

00:22:09.980 they were,

00:22:11.180 I believe,

00:22:12.660 the Japanese in China

00:22:14.000 were worse than the 0.99

00:22:15.500 Germans with the Jews. 0.98

00:22:18.380 They were,

00:22:19.540 they just 0.93

00:22:20.160 slaughtered them

00:22:22.100 in just such 0.92

00:22:23.320 brutal,

00:22:24.260 brutal ways.

00:22:26.320 They were just,

00:22:27.640 they weren't people,

00:22:28.920 just like the Germans 1.00

00:22:30.180 didn't see Jews

00:22:31.400 as people.

00:22:32.720 But because

00:22:33.520 Oppenheimer

00:22:34.180 saw what could be done,

00:22:36.000 and all of the

00:22:37.080 scientists involved

00:22:38.380 knew the destructive power,

00:22:40.580 they made Truman

00:22:41.980 a deal.

00:22:44.180 You can only

00:22:45.520 drop this

00:22:46.440 if

00:22:47.480 you warn

00:22:49.260 the people.

00:22:49.920 and so

00:22:51.680 if you're

00:22:52.040 watching

00:22:52.480 Blaze TV,

00:22:53.720 Pat will

00:22:54.140 hold up, 0.90

00:22:55.460 how many

00:22:56.380 do you have,

00:22:56.880 one or two?

00:22:57.600 I have two.

00:22:59.160 The first one is

00:23:00.320 the planes

00:23:01.560 dropping bombs

00:23:02.580 on one side,

00:23:04.460 so

00:23:04.680 like a photograph

00:23:05.800 of that.

00:23:08.100 And

00:23:08.620 on the flip side

00:23:09.700 of that

00:23:10.140 are the words

00:23:12.080 that they sent

00:23:12.860 to the Japanese.

00:23:14.380 So,

00:23:14.760 in other words,

00:23:15.800 this is coming

00:23:16.640 your way,

00:23:17.500 and then

00:23:17.940 they tell them

00:23:18.600 what to do

00:23:19.020 about it.

00:23:20.460 Right.

00:23:20.980 They say

00:23:21.340 you're not

00:23:22.180 our enemies,

00:23:23.300 we're picking

00:23:24.700 these ten cities,

00:23:26.080 and in the next

00:23:26.660 ten days

00:23:27.380 we will drop 0.99

00:23:28.600 a bomb 0.97

00:23:29.100 of more destructive

00:23:30.220 power

00:23:30.800 than is imaginable.

00:23:33.160 And

00:23:33.500 please leave,

00:23:34.680 you're not our enemy,

00:23:35.860 take food and water

00:23:36.840 with you.

00:23:37.920 We dropped

00:23:38.840 70 million

00:23:40.860 on ten cities

00:23:43.320 before we dropped

00:23:44.380 each bomb.

00:23:45.020 70

00:23:46.660 million

00:23:47.900 leaflets.

00:23:48.640 Nobody had

00:23:49.140 ever done that

00:23:50.020 ever in the

00:23:50.820 history of the

00:23:51.420 world.

00:23:52.320 But

00:23:52.760 nobody in the

00:23:53.540 history of the

00:23:54.080 world had

00:23:54.600 ever seen

00:23:55.260 anything like

00:23:56.220 the atomic

00:23:56.820 bomb.

00:23:57.980 What else do

00:23:58.720 you have there?

00:23:59.560 It looks like a

00:24:00.520 Japanese family

00:24:01.420 on one side.

00:24:03.680 Yes.

00:24:04.460 And saying the

00:24:05.180 same thing.

00:24:05.660 Saying the same 0.70

00:24:06.180 thing on the

00:24:06.620 other side.

00:24:07.780 Yeah.

00:24:08.280 Telling them to

00:24:08.780 get out.

00:24:09.200 Get out of

00:24:09.800 Dodge.

00:24:10.080 We have

00:24:12.160 several of

00:24:14.380 those

00:24:14.920 leaflets.

00:24:17.400 And that's

00:24:17.740 not something

00:24:18.300 I was ever

00:24:19.240 taught when

00:24:20.120 I was in

00:24:20.540 school.

00:24:21.760 So we

00:24:22.520 dropped the

00:24:23.020 bomb.

00:24:24.300 And let me

00:24:25.060 show you

00:24:25.720 the first

00:24:26.840 bomb in

00:24:27.860 Hiroshima.

00:24:29.240 We have,

00:24:30.360 do you have

00:24:30.880 just regular

00:24:31.520 coins?

00:24:32.140 These are just

00:24:32.580 Japanese coins.

00:24:34.380 So hold

00:24:35.340 those up to

00:24:35.820 the camera.

00:24:36.340 These are

00:24:36.640 just normal

00:24:38.520 coins.

00:24:40.080 Like three

00:24:40.960 of them.

00:24:41.300 Just teeny

00:24:41.840 teeny.

00:24:42.480 Tiny.

00:24:42.840 They're like

00:24:43.180 pennies or

00:24:43.900 dimes.

00:24:44.680 Smaller even

00:24:45.280 than a penny.

00:24:47.120 Yeah.

00:24:47.940 So those

00:24:49.280 are the

00:24:50.900 Japanese coins

00:24:52.200 that would

00:24:52.880 have been on

00:24:53.740 somebody's desk

00:24:54.720 or at a

00:24:55.200 bank.

00:24:55.920 But there

00:24:56.260 was a stack

00:24:57.040 of coins.

00:24:58.340 We don't

00:24:59.080 know where,

00:24:59.960 but there

00:25:00.180 was a stack

00:25:00.680 of coins

00:25:01.240 at Hiroshima

00:25:02.540 all stacked

00:25:03.540 up.

00:25:04.460 When the

00:25:05.060 blast hit,

00:25:08.160 it fused

00:25:09.420 a stack

00:25:10.200 of coins

00:25:10.920 together.

00:25:13.000 Maybe

00:25:13.440 there's 10

00:25:14.100 of them

00:25:14.420 here or

00:25:14.920 15,

00:25:15.540 something like

00:25:16.060 that,

00:25:16.420 and they're

00:25:16.760 all fused

00:25:17.380 from the

00:25:18.600 heat.

00:25:18.880 All just

00:25:19.340 fused and

00:25:19.960 burned.

00:25:21.640 We have

00:25:22.240 the show

00:25:22.720 the regular

00:25:23.400 marble,

00:25:24.780 Pat.

00:25:25.760 There was

00:25:26.260 a marble

00:25:26.780 at Hiroshima

00:25:27.940 and that's

00:25:29.600 the regular,

00:25:30.240 it's just

00:25:30.500 like a big

00:25:31.120 Aggie,

00:25:32.520 right?

00:25:32.860 Doesn't have

00:25:33.240 an American

00:25:33.620 flag in it,

00:25:34.300 but just a

00:25:35.340 big Aggie.

00:25:36.600 Now,

00:25:37.880 this is the

00:25:38.580 same marble

00:25:39.360 that was

00:25:40.320 within the

00:25:40.800 blast site

00:25:41.540 and it

00:25:42.720 has just

00:25:43.320 been exploded

00:25:44.500 from the

00:25:45.060 inside.

00:25:45.880 It's a

00:25:47.880 little bigger

00:25:48.420 inside too,

00:25:49.300 isn't it?

00:25:49.740 Yeah,

00:25:49.960 oh yeah.

00:25:50.440 Pat?

00:25:50.920 Yeah,

00:25:51.100 it's quite a

00:25:51.520 bit bigger.

00:25:52.900 Yeah,

00:25:54.020 and it

00:25:54.360 just,

00:25:54.980 the heat

00:25:55.920 just exploded

00:25:57.200 it from the

00:25:57.820 inside.

00:25:58.460 It's crazy

00:25:59.500 looking.

00:26:00.380 Amazing.

00:26:01.940 So,

00:26:02.620 Hiroshima

00:26:03.000 didn't work,

00:26:03.900 so we had

00:26:04.440 to do it

00:26:04.960 again.

00:26:06.860 Little boy

00:26:07.640 was mission

00:26:08.220 number one.

00:26:09.640 Fat man

00:26:10.260 was number

00:26:11.280 two.

00:26:12.440 And we

00:26:13.960 dropped

00:26:14.400 leaflets

00:26:15.000 you've never

00:26:15.700 seen the

00:26:16.420 size of

00:26:17.060 Jeffy.

00:26:18.460 He's

00:26:19.100 enormous.

00:26:20.040 He will 1.00

00:26:20.520 kill 1.00

00:26:20.980 everybody 1.00

00:26:21.780 in the

00:26:22.320 area.

00:26:24.480 Oh no,

00:26:24.900 it was a

00:26:25.200 different 0.97

00:26:25.460 fat boy. 0.99

00:26:26.980 So, 0.99

00:26:27.900 fat boy 0.59

00:26:28.460 we dropped 0.52

00:26:29.640 over Nagasaki.

00:26:31.540 What most

00:26:32.160 people don't

00:26:32.860 know

00:26:33.320 is the

00:26:34.520 history

00:26:35.000 of

00:26:35.320 Nagasaki.

00:26:36.620 So,

00:26:37.020 I think

00:26:37.540 one of

00:26:38.000 the more

00:26:38.540 incredible

00:26:39.520 things we

00:26:40.180 have in

00:26:40.920 our

00:26:41.240 collection,

00:26:43.100 we have

00:26:44.520 the

00:26:44.760 bombs

00:26:45.100 away

00:26:45.700 faceplate

00:26:48.380 from the

00:26:49.260 Enola

00:26:49.580 Gay 0.93

00:26:49.940 given to 0.99

00:26:52.220 a gentleman

00:26:53.000 from

00:26:53.980 Captain

00:26:55.960 Tibbetts

00:26:56.520 years ago.

00:26:57.820 and he

00:26:59.760 described

00:27:00.420 watching

00:27:01.460 the light

00:27:02.500 right above

00:27:03.600 the bombs

00:27:04.280 away.

00:27:05.540 But we

00:27:06.360 also have

00:27:06.940 something

00:27:07.280 from

00:27:08.180 Nagasaki.

00:27:10.820 Nagasaki

00:27:11.520 was the

00:27:12.140 second city

00:27:12.900 to be

00:27:13.320 hit.

00:27:14.220 Most

00:27:14.700 people don't

00:27:15.300 know

00:27:15.620 Christianity

00:27:16.120 was banned

00:27:17.240 in Japan

00:27:18.120 up until

00:27:18.840 about

00:27:19.140 1900.

00:27:21.400 Nagasaki

00:27:22.240 was the

00:27:23.400 hideout

00:27:24.120 for 0.77

00:27:24.820 Christians. 0.51

00:27:25.400 it had

00:27:27.380 become the

00:27:28.220 underground

00:27:29.080 Christian

00:27:30.260 area of

00:27:31.820 Japan.

00:27:32.980 And when

00:27:33.480 they made

00:27:34.440 it legal

00:27:35.020 to be

00:27:35.440 Christian,

00:27:36.540 they built

00:27:37.580 a giant

00:27:38.160 Catholic

00:27:38.660 church,

00:27:39.360 a cathedral

00:27:40.460 there.

00:27:41.420 That cathedral

00:27:42.280 was only

00:27:43.000 about a

00:27:43.720 thousand

00:27:44.180 yards away

00:27:45.660 from

00:27:46.560 Ground

00:27:47.180 Zero.

00:27:48.600 If you

00:27:49.340 look for it

00:27:50.420 online,

00:27:51.000 you should

00:27:51.260 look for it.

00:27:52.360 It is

00:27:52.580 incredible.

00:27:53.080 You look

00:27:54.040 for it

00:27:54.300 online.

00:27:54.800 It is

00:27:55.040 a massive

00:27:55.860 cathedral.

00:27:56.900 They were

00:27:57.780 in prayer

00:27:59.080 and having

00:28:01.040 mass at

00:28:01.940 the time.

00:28:03.480 And it

00:28:04.340 was really

00:28:06.180 pretty much

00:28:06.620 completely

00:28:07.320 vaporized.

00:28:08.440 You can

00:28:08.720 see where

00:28:09.720 one of the

00:28:10.360 towers kind

00:28:11.260 of was,

00:28:12.080 but everything

00:28:13.000 else is just

00:28:13.720 gone.

00:28:14.960 There was a

00:28:16.060 bell in the

00:28:16.860 bell tower.

00:28:17.640 It survived.

00:28:19.400 And it is

00:28:20.880 now in

00:28:21.860 the

00:28:22.440 remembrance

00:28:23.240 park in

00:28:24.920 Nagasaki.

00:28:26.160 And I

00:28:26.360 believe they

00:28:26.840 ring that

00:28:27.480 bell every

00:28:29.640 year as a

00:28:30.700 reminder.

00:28:32.800 There was

00:28:33.660 one other

00:28:34.240 bell that

00:28:35.140 survived that

00:28:36.100 same church,

00:28:37.000 and it's a

00:28:37.760 lot smaller.

00:28:39.020 And I'm

00:28:39.960 doing our

00:28:40.780 investigation on

00:28:41.680 it right now,

00:28:42.460 so we're not

00:28:43.000 sure if this

00:28:43.840 is accurate,

00:28:44.560 but we

00:28:45.500 believe this

00:28:46.420 was one of

00:28:48.620 the communion

00:28:49.240 bells.

00:28:49.800 So when

00:28:50.560 communion

00:28:51.100 would be

00:28:52.340 served,

00:28:54.160 it would be

00:28:54.940 rung, the

00:28:55.580 bells would

00:28:56.720 ring.

00:28:57.540 And this

00:28:58.420 is one of

00:28:58.980 the bells.

00:28:59.720 This is the

00:29:00.300 only other

00:29:01.100 bell that

00:29:01.620 survived from

00:29:02.360 that church.

00:29:04.220 Can you

00:29:04.900 read what it

00:29:05.400 says on it?

00:29:07.900 Angelus

00:29:08.460 Nagasaki.

00:29:10.940 Yeah, and

00:29:11.980 it's in

00:29:12.360 Japanese on

00:29:13.240 the other

00:29:13.520 side.

00:29:14.740 And it

00:29:15.080 is stained,

00:29:17.420 they think,

00:29:18.220 from the

00:29:19.020 blast.

00:29:19.800 Would you

00:29:20.220 hold it up

00:29:20.900 and ring

00:29:21.180 it, Pat?

00:29:22.540 Yeah.

00:29:23.920 It doesn't

00:29:24.540 have a

00:29:24.800 ringer, so.

00:29:26.780 Oh, did

00:29:27.540 you guys take

00:29:28.020 out the

00:29:28.280 ringer?

00:29:31.420 I put the

00:29:32.200 ringer in.

00:29:33.640 Yeah.

00:29:34.200 JP, go get

00:29:35.700 the ringer,

00:29:36.280 would you, and

00:29:36.840 put it back

00:29:37.440 in.

00:29:37.940 I know we

00:29:38.420 don't want to

00:29:38.840 ring it very

00:29:39.360 often, but I

00:29:41.440 think it's

00:29:41.920 appropriate as

00:29:43.920 we're talking

00:29:44.360 about this.

00:29:44.760 mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

00:29:48.400 All right, you

00:29:50.500 know how to

00:29:50.760 put that in

00:29:51.180 there.

00:29:51.700 This was, I've

00:29:52.500 tried to get

00:29:53.000 that bell for

00:29:53.880 15 years.

00:29:55.200 still rings, even

00:30:07.420 after, uh, having

00:30:08.480 been through an

00:30:09.160 atomic blast.

00:30:11.220 Pretty amazing.

00:30:12.140 Yeah.

00:30:13.840 Mm-hmm.

00:30:14.460 And by the way, uh,

00:30:15.560 the reason why I'm

00:30:16.180 not holding these up

00:30:17.200 or showing them or

00:30:17.940 even in the room is

00:30:18.800 we haven't had any

00:30:19.780 radiation check on

00:30:21.440 it yet, so.

00:30:28.180 Thank you for

00:30:28.900 that.

00:30:29.420 Yeah, no, that

00:30:29.980 helps.

00:30:30.160 So, I'm sure,

00:30:31.120 Pat, I'm sure it's

00:30:32.360 fine.

00:30:34.600 It's fine.

00:30:36.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:37.960 You know, we

00:30:38.760 don't actually, we

00:30:39.980 have not done a

00:30:41.160 Geiger countertact.

00:30:42.140 We just all assumed

00:30:43.380 that these things,

00:30:45.000 we should, you're

00:30:46.420 fine.

00:30:47.800 Of course.

00:30:48.480 What was it?

00:30:48.920 Who's got a Geiger 0.92

00:30:50.040 counter?

00:30:50.700 You'd have to, you'd

00:30:51.540 have to vacate the

00:30:52.420 area for 10,000 years

00:30:54.160 before things are not

00:30:55.400 radiated anymore.

00:30:56.720 It's been what, 70?

00:30:58.200 That's pretty close.

00:30:59.620 It's pretty close.

00:31:01.500 And we washed it.

00:31:02.940 You're wearing, you're

00:31:04.620 wearing, you're wearing

00:31:04.940 clothes on.

00:31:05.940 Rubber gloves.

00:31:07.280 Yeah.

00:31:08.160 So.

00:31:09.200 Stand up and look at

00:31:10.040 your chair.

00:31:10.580 Is there an x-ray

00:31:11.460 burned into your chair?

00:31:13.780 Big outline of my 0.98

00:31:14.920 butt cheeks on the 0.89

00:31:16.800 chair.

00:31:17.100 Yeah.

00:31:17.740 Yeah.

00:31:18.120 Isn't that great?

00:31:18.920 You know, what's so

00:31:21.220 amazing is those of us

00:31:23.120 who are older and

00:31:24.460 grew up in the era of 0.74

00:31:26.460 the Cold War and the

00:31:28.960 bombing and everything

00:31:30.420 else.

00:31:31.040 And our, my parents and

00:31:32.540 grandparents remembered

00:31:33.960 the bomb.

00:31:35.380 There was a healthy

00:31:36.560 respect for the danger

00:31:39.220 of that kind of weapon.

00:31:41.200 Now it just seems to be

00:31:42.920 like, hey, they might use

00:31:44.240 nuclear weapons and

00:31:46.100 nobody seems to really

00:31:48.740 talk about the grand

00:31:50.700 effects of using a

00:31:53.060 nuclear weapon.

00:31:54.120 It's a little disturbing.

00:31:55.920 Maybe we should, maybe

00:31:57.540 we should take our kids 0.90

00:31:58.680 to Oppenheimer and make

00:32:00.820 sure they understand the

00:32:02.420 ramifications.

00:32:03.220 You're listening to the best

00:32:07.900 of the Glenn Beck

00:32:08.600 program.

00:32:10.520 Christopher, how are you,

00:32:12.020 sir?

00:32:12.380 Doing very well.

00:32:13.000 How are you?

00:32:13.380 I'm so happy for your

00:32:15.660 success and so happy for

00:32:17.960 all of the things you've

00:32:19.260 done.

00:32:20.220 So few people have done as

00:32:23.480 much as you have.

00:32:24.940 So congratulations and

00:32:26.140 thank you.

00:32:26.620 It's my pleasure.

00:32:29.080 Thanks for having me on.

00:32:30.860 You bet.

00:32:32.260 America's Cultural Revolution.

00:32:34.520 Tell me what your, your

00:32:36.960 push is here in the book.

00:32:40.200 Absolutely.

00:32:41.120 Absolutely.

00:32:42.180 America's Cultural

00:32:42.860 Revolution.

00:32:43.320 It's my new book.

00:32:44.360 It opened at as the number

00:32:45.920 one bestseller on Amazon

00:32:46.980 last week.

00:32:47.920 And I think it's doing

00:32:48.660 battle with your new book

00:32:49.740 on the bestseller charts

00:32:51.020 currently.

00:32:51.760 But the basic story is

00:32:53.360 this.

00:32:53.760 It traces the 50 year

00:32:55.380 history of the

00:32:56.520 radical left's long

00:32:57.480 march to the institutions

00:32:58.640 beginning in the Marxist

00:33:00.400 Leninist revolutionary

00:33:01.280 movements of the late

00:33:02.120 1960s, going through

00:33:04.120 academia, going through

00:33:05.460 the K through 12 school

00:33:06.720 system, weaving its way

00:33:08.320 into the DEI departments

00:33:09.740 and major corporations,

00:33:10.840 and finally coming to

00:33:12.660 full fruition in that

00:33:14.500 turbulent summer of

00:33:15.520 George Floyd in 2020,

00:33:16.860 when I think many

00:33:18.220 Americans finally

00:33:19.380 understood that the

00:33:21.100 left had really seized

00:33:22.440 all of those cultural

00:33:23.460 institutions that matter.

00:33:24.580 I explain exactly where

00:33:26.520 it comes from, exactly

00:33:27.840 how the ideology

00:33:28.500 works, and most

00:33:29.520 importantly, exactly how

00:33:31.360 it's attained power so

00:33:32.820 that conservatives can

00:33:33.940 start understanding how

00:33:35.400 to formulate a solution.

00:33:37.680 So can you give me those

00:33:39.400 three points in the time

00:33:41.840 that we have, kind of

00:33:43.180 summarize?

00:33:43.560 Yeah, absolutely, and the

00:33:47.780 book is divided into the

00:33:49.420 theory of revolution, the

00:33:51.080 theory of race, and how

00:33:52.540 that is used to gain

00:33:54.200 power, education, so

00:33:56.220 pedagogy, meaning how

00:33:58.200 kids are taught, and so

00:33:59.560 this is something that the

00:34:00.340 left has thought very

00:34:01.680 deeply about.

00:34:02.420 They have thousands of

00:34:03.420 activists fanned out across

00:34:04.780 the country trying to

00:34:06.400 figure out how to make

00:34:07.600 your kids think in the same

00:34:09.580 ways that they do.

00:34:10.360 And then finally, the

00:34:12.380 last section of the book

00:34:13.400 is about power.

00:34:14.660 So a lot of conservatives

00:34:16.060 feel that we can simply

00:34:18.080 win the intellectual

00:34:19.000 debate, that politics is

00:34:20.660 an Oxford debating

00:34:21.580 society, and if you have

00:34:23.000 the better points, you

00:34:23.940 have the better arguments,

00:34:24.800 you have the better

00:34:25.220 facts, you win.

00:34:26.800 But I show that that's

00:34:27.660 actually not always true.

00:34:29.080 I wish it were true, but

00:34:30.220 in the real world, the

00:34:31.360 left attains power in

00:34:33.160 many cases, no matter how

00:34:34.340 bad their ideas are.

00:34:35.620 So I outline exactly what

00:34:38.040 they do, how their

00:34:39.120 political practice works,

00:34:41.240 and I think that this is

00:34:42.380 really new territory for a

00:34:44.500 lot of conservatives, even

00:34:45.600 very literate conservatives

00:34:47.340 who love to read about the

00:34:48.580 history of ideas.

00:34:50.360 This is about how ideas

00:34:51.720 gain power, and that's

00:34:53.160 what I try to do in the

00:34:54.120 book.

00:34:55.380 So what is it, the main

00:34:58.080 thing that you think

00:34:59.020 conservatives don't

00:35:00.300 understand about defeating

00:35:03.380 this or dealing with this

00:35:05.180 power?

00:35:06.620 I think the main thing

00:35:07.960 conservatives don't

00:35:08.740 understand is that

00:35:10.220 institutional power requires

00:35:12.580 the governance of

00:35:13.600 institutions, and

00:35:14.800 institutions are not

00:35:16.040 governed by the laws in

00:35:18.480 the books, the policies in

00:35:19.660 the training manual, all

00:35:20.700 those are important.

00:35:22.120 You actually have to have

00:35:22.840 your people staffing those

00:35:24.560 institutions, and so if you

00:35:26.360 look at K-12 schools, for

00:35:27.680 example, the radical left,

00:35:29.700 I mean, really, truly, the

00:35:30.740 neo-Marxist left controls

00:35:32.480 all of the graduate schools of

00:35:34.600 education that train our K-12

00:35:36.560 teachers.

00:35:37.760 They're teaching Paolo

00:35:38.980 Ferris Marxist theory, they're

00:35:40.560 teaching critical race theory,

00:35:42.560 and conservatives, if they

00:35:44.640 wanted to have an influence to

00:35:45.860 the same degree on K-12

00:35:47.620 education, would actually have

00:35:49.580 to get conservative graduate

00:35:50.760 school students, conservative

00:35:52.040 professors, conservative

00:35:53.200 administrators, and it seems

00:35:55.080 that conservatives have been

00:35:56.060 content to occupy themselves with

00:35:58.700 their own family, their own

00:35:59.840 churches, their own businesses,

00:36:01.100 perhaps, but they've ceded the

00:36:03.440 active governance of cultural

00:36:05.060 institutions to people who hate

00:36:06.840 them, and all of a sudden,

00:36:08.460 they're waking up and thinking,

00:36:09.480 wait a minute, we have to either

00:36:10.980 recapture these institutions, or

00:36:13.200 we have to build alternatives, and

00:36:15.160 my argument at the end of the book

00:36:16.100 is, of course, we have to do some

00:36:17.940 of both.

00:36:20.640 So, Christopher, you know, when we

00:36:22.540 were hit by al-Qaeda, the country

00:36:26.240 was asking, what do they hate us?

00:36:28.940 Why do they hate us so much?

00:36:30.900 And people say, well, because of

00:36:32.580 our freedom.

00:36:33.360 I didn't think that was it.

00:36:34.860 I think it's because we engaged

00:36:36.700 in some really dark stuff all

00:36:39.440 around the world, and we are not

00:36:41.280 who we say we are many times,

00:36:43.660 especially in the Middle East.

00:36:45.180 But why do these people hate us so

00:36:47.360 much?

00:36:49.420 You know, I think that in the

00:36:50.980 immediate term, they view the

00:36:53.580 average conservative family or

00:36:55.500 conservative citizen as an

00:36:56.800 impediment to their utopia.

00:36:59.360 And so, what I found so

00:37:00.880 fascinating in the book is that

00:37:02.840 all of these revolutionary

00:37:04.340 figures from the 60s, who really

00:37:06.220 laid out the groundwork for what

00:37:08.940 we see today, were genuine

00:37:10.840 believers in the utopia, they had

00:37:12.980 an idealistic temperament in most

00:37:15.020 cases, but in all cases, it grew

00:37:17.560 sour, they grew disillusioned, they

00:37:19.960 grew angry, they grew resentful, and

00:37:21.720 so you can see this emotional arc.

00:37:23.960 And I think that's where really the

00:37:25.100 modern left begins.

00:37:26.600 It's a group of people who

00:37:28.700 oftentimes are very smart, they're

00:37:30.620 very idealistic, but they're very

00:37:32.460 frustrated at what they see around

00:37:34.000 them, and it turns into a kind of

00:37:35.580 resentment towards people who are

00:37:37.560 viewed as either successful, but

00:37:39.860 also people who are viewed simply as

00:37:41.960 average, middle class, content with

00:37:44.580 their lives, occupied with their

00:37:45.980 local communities.

00:37:47.460 These are barriers to their

00:37:49.980 revolution.

00:37:50.480 And so they want to, first and

00:37:54.320 foremost, change the system of

00:37:55.880 government to take power over them,

00:37:57.880 but also even take power over their

00:38:00.020 kids by changing how kids learn and

00:38:02.300 really fomenting revolt of the child

00:38:05.560 against the parent.

00:38:07.080 And that's what we see as the key

00:38:08.500 symbol throughout this revolution.

00:38:11.180 I mean, this is truly a revolt of

00:38:13.340 children against their parents,

00:38:15.580 symbolically, archetypally, and then

00:38:17.180 also in many cases, quite literally.

00:38:18.880 If you were sitting in a map room

00:38:24.860 and you came in and we were losing

00:38:29.160 the war and I'm Churchill, and I was

00:38:30.880 like, cross the wall, what do we do?

00:38:34.100 What would be your plan of attack?

00:38:36.920 What do we need to do?

00:38:39.720 And what are the odds that it works at

00:38:41.860 this point?

00:38:43.560 I think that there are really a few

00:38:46.800 key strategies that I would recommend

00:38:48.520 first, I would recommend reforming

00:38:51.020 American civil rights law, which is

00:38:52.600 often used to force these left wing

00:38:54.520 ideologies well beyond the bounds of

00:38:57.060 colorblind equality.

00:38:58.600 And so I would go in, I would have

00:39:00.280 executive orders lined up, legislation,

00:39:02.760 trying to get some cases before the

00:39:04.360 Supreme Court to restrain the civil

00:39:07.200 rights bureaucracy so that it can't

00:39:09.060 force, you know, diversity trainings and

00:39:11.460 CRT trainings, but actually just

00:39:13.520 ensures that Americans are treated

00:39:14.800 equally.

00:39:15.140 Second, I would get, as we've done now

00:39:17.720 in seven states, universal school

00:39:19.380 choice so that parents can take their

00:39:21.480 taxpayer dollars out of the public

00:39:23.080 school system and into any other school

00:39:25.280 of their choice.

00:39:25.880 That's going to shift, you know,

00:39:28.080 billions of dollars in resources towards

00:39:30.100 creating alternative schools, religious

00:39:33.020 schools, private schools, other kinds of

00:39:35.200 schools, home schools, where conservatives

00:39:37.260 can start to have institutions that reflect

00:39:39.060 their values they can invest.

00:39:40.240 And then third, I think we need strong

00:39:42.420 action from state legislatures.

00:39:44.380 Governor DeSantis has started this in

00:39:46.580 Florida of retaking some some of the

00:39:49.760 administration in public universities.

00:39:52.400 And I have a personal goal, Glenn, of

00:39:54.500 reforming state higher education policy to

00:39:59.300 recruit 1000 conservative professors in

00:40:01.960 the next 10 years.

00:40:03.020 And I think even a thousand, a thousand

00:40:06.440 academics that are aligned with us, that

00:40:08.400 create materials and research and

00:40:10.840 scholarship, that's going to be enough of a

00:40:13.520 counterbalance at the beginning to reshape the

00:40:16.760 dynamics within academia.

00:40:17.940 How are you going to get that through?

00:40:21.940 I mean, especially I mean, just just talk

00:40:23.920 about school choice, universal school choice.

00:40:26.760 Even in Texas, they refuse that because the

00:40:30.320 Republicans in many states that are wildly

00:40:35.000 read, they are still beholden to the

00:40:38.160 teachers unions and they are those teachers

00:40:40.340 unions are so powerful.

00:40:44.080 Well, there's a way to do it.

00:40:46.180 And I think Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, who

00:40:49.560 actually had the first universal school

00:40:51.640 choice bill passed through his state

00:40:53.760 legislature, the first one in the country.

00:40:56.000 You know, he he told me something quite

00:40:58.060 interesting.

00:40:58.560 He said, hey, we had the same problem in

00:40:59.940 Arizona.

00:41:00.920 Rural Republicans were hesitant to do this.

00:41:04.040 They didn't want the their Friday Night

00:41:05.700 Lights football impacted.

00:41:08.180 So he made a deal where he essentially

00:41:10.020 horse traded.

00:41:11.820 He said, hey, look, we'll increase public

00:41:13.960 school funding by a billion dollars.

00:41:15.500 You're going to get a ton of money from the

00:41:17.540 legislature to invest in your public schools,

00:41:19.680 your athletic programs.

00:41:20.680 But in exchange, we want to give everyone a

00:41:22.900 way out.

00:41:23.320 And now a billion dollars a year approximately

00:41:25.520 has been taken by parents and then invested

00:41:28.720 into school alternatives.

00:41:30.180 This is within just two two years of this

00:41:32.420 program.

00:41:32.820 And so you have to go and do the old school

00:41:36.240 backroom political cigars in the backroom

00:41:39.820 horse trading.

00:41:40.760 And sometimes you have to write a big check

00:41:43.100 to get those few Republicans that are beholden

00:41:45.880 to the teachers union, overwhelm them, sweeten

00:41:49.220 the deal, do whatever it takes, because long

00:41:51.280 term, this is more important than any short term

00:41:54.600 budgetary outlay.

00:41:55.780 So our institutions have been so overtaken by the ESG

00:42:06.240 culprits that Budweiser doesn't seem to care at all

00:42:11.240 that it's just destroyed itself.

00:42:13.240 Disney doesn't seem to care that it's destroyed itself.

00:42:16.100 And I think Disney is a they're not really being forced

00:42:18.820 from the outside.

00:42:19.480 They're gone from the soul.

00:42:21.700 But all of these ESG companies now, is there a way to

00:42:29.240 turn that around?

00:42:32.440 I think there is.

00:42:33.560 I think if you look at ESG, you have to think of it as a

00:42:36.800 kind of parallel civil rights bureaucracy that is organized

00:42:41.080 by cartels and corporate cartels.

00:42:45.200 Right.

00:42:45.320 And so just like with the civil rights law in the United

00:42:48.460 States, which which needs significant reforms, and the

00:42:52.340 answer is quite simple.

00:42:53.600 It's you have to get the people through their elected

00:42:56.460 legislators creating general laws that govern the republic.

00:43:01.520 And so we need a revival in the legislative capacity and

00:43:06.020 creativity and commitment.

00:43:08.000 And you can simply say in the United States, the law is that

00:43:12.340 corporations that are chartered by the state, you know, you

00:43:15.000 actually the companies are chartered.

00:43:17.580 They have to be prioritized, return on investment.

00:43:22.680 The goal of a capitalist economy is to maximize profits.

00:43:26.980 And then these specific facets of ESG style investing are political

00:43:32.700 ideology, political activism.

00:43:35.140 And it is restricted for publicly traded companies.

00:43:40.240 If you want to have a small business and you want to have a, you know,

00:43:42.960 a communist bake shop and not charge anyone any money, that's fine.

00:43:46.780 But if you are a multinational company, you have pension funds investing in

00:43:50.380 you, you're listed on the stock exchange.

00:43:53.360 I think legislators are well within their right to shut down policies,

00:43:58.080 really kind of cartel like policies like ESG.

00:44:00.980 Yes.

00:44:03.780 Christopher, what was the biggest thing since you started this whole thing?

00:44:08.440 What is the most shocking thing you found?

00:44:11.060 Something you're just still today.

00:44:12.540 You're like, I can't believe this.

00:44:15.900 Yeah, I'll tell you something from the process of writing this book that that

00:44:19.880 that still shocks me is I spent a lot of time digging into the archives and

00:44:24.280 reading the revolutionary pamphlets and manifestos from the late 1960s from the

00:44:30.020 Black Panther Party, the Communist Party USA, the Black Liberation Army, the

00:44:34.460 Weather Underground.

00:44:35.880 And these are documents that really haven't been read in many, many years.

00:44:38.800 And what I found that was so shocking was that all of the concepts, all of the

00:44:43.900 phrases, even many of the arguments that I've been seeing the last couple of

00:44:48.120 years in K through 12 school curricula in the kind of critical race theory

00:44:52.840 world resemble to a T the ideas, the concepts, even the exact phrases that I

00:44:59.640 found in those revolutionary manifestos.

00:45:01.640 And so you have this immensely shocking translation trail from the, I mean, I

00:45:10.280 mean, it's really the, from the fringes, these were people who wanted to

00:45:13.560 overthrow the government by force and now their ideas are in your child's

00:45:17.960 kindergarten classroom.

00:45:18.880 I mean, that, that to me is just a shocking demonstration of their own

00:45:22.580 triumph.

00:45:24.380 I have many of the old professors from Chicago, their libraries after they died,

00:45:31.000 a friend of mine would go in and gather the libraries and sell some of the books

00:45:35.820 and all of the radical stuff, including handwritten notes and papers inside of

00:45:41.140 these books.

00:45:41.620 I probably have the largest library now of these kinds of radicals from the 60s

00:45:47.320 and 70s.

00:45:48.420 You're more than welcome to peruse through it if it would ever help you,

00:45:52.460 Christopher.

00:45:53.300 Oh, that'd be amazing.

00:45:54.160 I'd love to do it because look, as you know, and as a collector of this, you have to

00:45:59.820 understand what we're dealing with today.

00:46:02.060 You have to understand where it comes from.

00:46:04.020 I mean, if you don't understand where it comes from, you're operating blind.

00:46:06.860 And so the goal of the book is to do that, is to show conservatives from conservative

00:46:11.720 parents all the way to conservative policymakers, this is what you're up against.

00:46:16.980 This is how they operate, and this is how to defeat them.

00:46:21.760 Christopher, I'd love to have you on again, maybe even a podcast just to talk about your

00:46:25.680 book because we have so much to discuss and you have a lot to teach.

00:46:31.420 Christopher Ruffo, the name of the book is America's Cultural Revolution, America's Cultural

00:46:37.760 Revolution.

00:46:38.520 It is available wherever you get your books now.

00:46:41.700 Christopher Ruffo, thank you.

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