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00:00:00.000 All right, it's Thursday's podcast. We're going to get right to it. Great show today.

00:00:04.160 We went over the revolution. We also said her name. Yes, we did. But more importantly,

00:00:10.300 we gave the facts. All of that and so much more on today's podcast.

00:00:21.580 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:00:25.580 Say her name still. Say it. Breonna Taylor. Say her name. My gosh, the racism just continues.

00:00:37.860 Now, is that an argument? Because that's what I see substituted for an argument. Yeah, yeah.

00:00:42.840 A bunch of names of people who had issues with police, you know, whether some of them justified,

00:00:51.000 some of them not. The entirety of the argument is like Breonna Taylor, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd,

00:00:57.840 Eric Garner. And it's like, there's a whole range of stories you're talking about.

00:01:02.860 We need solutions. Some of them justified. Some of them not justified. Some of them involving police.

00:01:10.560 So you're for no knock raids in the middle of the night. No. Can we clear some of these things up?

00:01:14.860 No. You're just for shooting innocent women in the back or however, in the middle of the night,

00:01:22.220 going in, no knock raid, just shooting her. Can we? 0.99

00:01:26.720 That's what I'm hearing. This is one of those situations where if you know what happened in the story,

00:01:32.700 it is impossible to adopt the things and viewpoints that Black Lives Matter and every NBA player

00:01:39.180 apparently have. From a guy who won't say her name. Okay, go ahead. Breonna Taylor. Go ahead.

00:01:43.400 Tell us. Tell us the story, Stu. First of all, there's a rumor that they went to the wrong house.

00:01:48.400 Yeah. No, they didn't go to the wrong house. They went to the correct apartment, the one they were

00:01:53.240 supposed to. It's on the on the warrant. But how do we know that? Well, it's on the warrant. So,

00:02:00.160 I mean, they went to the right address. Police doctored warrant. No, no. And we also know

00:02:06.780 there's this big thing about, well, it was a no knock warrant. Exactly right. Now, there was a no

00:02:11.140 knock warrant issued in the case. However, they didn't utilize it. Okay. So, that's a big problem.

00:02:15.720 We know for a fact with 100% certainty that they did knock. Really? And we know that because police

00:02:22.620 said they knocked? Yes. Yes. And also Kenneth Walker, the guy, Breonna Taylor's boyfriend.

00:02:29.320 Boyfriend. He also said he heard the banging and a separate neighbor who came out to say,

00:02:35.160 what the heck's going on? There's a lot of loud banging on going on in this door out there.

00:02:38.600 And then the police said, get back on your apartment. So, we know with 100% certainty.

00:02:44.300 But we only know from the guy who fired on police and the neighbor. Those are the only witnesses that

00:02:51.900 we have. And the police. And three police officers. Okay. Well, you know, you got to throw out the

00:02:55.620 police officers. They're all corrupt. Okay. Okay. But they all agree on this. So, that's a big. 1.00

00:03:01.740 Well, they're probably lying. But the guy who shot was inside. He wasn't lying. And the neighbor I

00:03:09.160 trust. But I don't trust the police. Got it. Now, if you've just seen this on sports broadcasts

00:03:16.060 or from dumb politicians. I like to get all my news from both of those sources. Oh, no kidding. 0.95

00:03:21.480 And MSNBC. Which I think is the combination of the two. Yes, that is actually pretty much the

00:03:27.440 combination. You might not know that Breonna Taylor, in the past, before this incident,

00:03:34.160 had dated a guy, Jamarcus Glover, who was a known drug dealer. Okay. And so, the reason

00:03:45.680 they got the warrant was for Jamarcus Glover, who was at a different place. And Breonna Taylor's

00:03:51.760 apartment, they wanted to search. They did not accuse Breonna Taylor of a crime. They were

00:03:55.680 just, the accusation or the belief was that they used to date. They had seemingly broken

00:04:01.820 up, but they were still kind of in contact. He had come over to her house a couple times,

00:04:06.440 maybe to pick up a package. They believed that maybe he was getting drugs or money sent to

00:04:12.840 her house and using it sort of as a safe house. Because she didn't have a criminal history.

00:04:17.680 There was no reason that she did anything wrong. There's nothing that she did wrong. And

00:04:21.240 they aren't, they didn't accuse her of doing anything wrong. In fact, the belief could have

00:04:28.600 been that she was maybe abused. Right. And, and she's just hiding stuff at her house because

00:04:36.560 the drug dealer boyfriend, ex-boyfriend is beating her up and is abusive. She doesn't want to piss off

00:04:41.900 her ex-drug, her ex-boyfriend who's a drug dealer, which is, it would be a sensible motivation.

00:04:47.180 The police is motivated. What are you going to do? The police motivation there is to go in and see

00:04:51.240 what is in the house. Right. Is he hiding drugs? Is he hiding money? What's going on? So that's why

00:04:56.820 they have the warrant. They go to the house in the middle of the night and we can talk about why

00:05:01.260 that this, this part of this is, is a problem, but separate from what happened yesterday. Because

00:05:05.660 if you didn't miss, if you missed the news yesterday, there were, there was an indictment

00:05:08.760 in this case. They announced the results of a grand jury, uh, yesterday. And that's what led to

00:05:14.820 the violence last night. Two police officers were shot among other things. So they go to the house,

00:05:20.940 please start knocking on the door. We know they knocked on the door. They're, they identify

00:05:24.300 themselves as police. Now there's a, the neighbor confirms this, that they, they identified themselves

00:05:30.980 as police trying to come into the door. Um, Jamark, uh, excuse me. Um, uh, Kenneth Walker,

00:05:36.100 the boyfriend, the current boyfriend of Breonna Taylor, the good guy, no charge. It's nothing,

00:05:41.000 nothing. Yeah. Uh, they're in bed. It's three in the morning or whatever. They're in bed.

00:05:46.140 They hear the banging. They both wake up, right? They, they stumble out of their bedroom down and

00:05:51.540 the, down the hall, they're looking at the front door. He realizes that she's got a boyfriend who

00:05:57.300 would be pissed off that he was there. And also as a drug dealer and with a known criminal history.

00:06:01.900 Right. And if, if indeed she was in an abusive relationship or just afraid of him, he was,

00:06:08.220 he was there, he would have a gun. He's going to shoot because he has a right to defend himself

00:06:15.900 in his own home. And he's a legal gun owner. Right. And this is an important part of this,

00:06:20.200 a legal gun owner. So he obviously, as I would, by the way, went to go get his gun because he

00:06:25.520 doesn't, if he doesn't know it's police, even if he does, even if he does know it's police,

00:06:31.240 you would still be afraid that maybe that's the drug dealer just saying yelling police,

00:06:37.980 right? Don't know.

00:06:38.920 So he's, he believes it's a Jamarcus Glover breaking in to abuse Breonna Taylor. So he

00:06:45.540 tries to defend himself and her. So after whatever distance of time, they decide, okay,

00:06:52.920 no one's coming to this door. We're breaking the door down. The police knock the door in

00:06:56.600 as they knock the door in, he believes a drug dealer is coming in to, uh, to kill them or

00:07:02.200 abuse them in some way. He does what I think is a completely defensible thing in the circumstances,

00:07:08.000 which is shoot at the person breaking into his house at three in the morning. Right. Right.

00:07:12.220 I have to tell you, if somebody broke into my house at three o'clock in the morning and

00:07:16.200 it was police, I'm not sure I would believe it because if I were innocent, if I, neither of

00:07:22.960 these people had anything, they have no criminal record, they have nothing. Right. So that would

00:07:28.180 be me. That would be you. If somebody breaks in at three o'clock in the morning and they tear down

00:07:32.020 my door and I'm afraid of somebody else, I know somebody else is coming, you know, for me, 0.78

00:07:37.220 I absolutely take a gun and I shoot. Now you shouldn't shoot without knowing, but that's what

00:07:46.320 happens. And that is why we have a castle doctrine. You have a right to defend yourself

00:07:53.280 in your own home, especially at three o'clock in the morning. Right. And so it was, now it doesn't

00:07:59.840 mean it worked out perfectly, but it was a totally understandable response from Kenneth Walker's

00:08:05.700 position in that moment. Correct. He thinks he's being attacked. Someone breaks his door down.

00:08:10.760 He fires one shot. And this is something that is like, I would say 99% of people who talk about

00:08:18.100 Breonna Taylor don't know, but this is agreed upon not only by the police, but also Kenneth Walker,

00:08:24.800 the boyfriend of Breonna Taylor. He fired first and actually hit the officer. Right. So think about

00:08:33.300 what just happened now from the officer's perspective. They are trying to break down a door, which they

00:08:37.960 assume they believe is a potentially has drugs and stuff inside, which, you know, you'd think people

00:08:43.120 were going to hide it or whatever. When they break the door down, they get shot by someone. The one

00:08:48.640 officer, officer Mattingly looks down the hall. He sees two people at the end of the hall. Can't really

00:08:53.380 make them out. The only thing you can make out is a gun. And he sees a flash of the gun and then feels

00:08:57.900 the heat on his thigh. He gets shot in the thigh. He backs up. What the hell do you think a cop is going

00:09:03.900 to do in that situation? He's just been shot. Stop, stop, stop. What do you, what do you think

00:09:09.320 anyone, anyone who is carrying a gun legally is going to do? If someone shoots you and you have a

00:09:17.320 gun, you shoot back. Right. That's any human being, any human, any human being. So, and, and that, 0.97

00:09:25.100 think about this for a second, how this is shown as a supposedly some big example of racism by police.

00:09:32.020 It is not even clear they could make out the race of, of who was shooting at them. But again,

00:09:39.860 the, whoever it was, no matter what race it was actually shot a cop. I think it's defensible from 0.98

00:09:45.440 his position why it happened as we just laid out. But when you shoot a cop, what the hell do you

00:09:52.620 think is going to happen? Okay. So stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Because that I think is going to be 0.96

00:09:56.060 misheard. Here's what, here's what we, no, no, no. Go ahead. So here's what I think we should,

00:10:03.340 what, what needs to be said. Let's look at this from two points of view. One, he was justified.

00:10:11.160 He was charged with a crime. The shooter was charged with a crime and then it was dropped.

00:10:16.760 Mm-hmm. That's normal. Yep. Very nice. People think that that's a big sign of racism too. No,

00:10:20.980 that's very normal. No, it's not. If, if I shoot somebody in my house, if you shoot somebody in

00:10:24.880 your house, plan on spending a year in, in court in hell. Okay. Because they're going to investigate 0.99

00:10:32.900 all of it. Okay. Now they have witnesses because there were cops that were there. So they could

00:10:38.540 witness and say, yep, that's exactly what happened. This was a justified shooting on his part.

00:10:44.920 On the boyfriend's part. On the boyfriend's part. Absolutely justified. These cops are not the

00:10:50.360 cops that are doing the investigation. These are there just serving the warrant and searching the

00:10:55.040 house. They don't know, they don't know all the details. They're not, they don't have an ax to grind.

00:11:01.000 They were just the guys assigned this job. Now, period, separate issue. Cops come in, they knock,

00:11:11.440 look at it only from their point of view. The cops, they knock, they identify themselves.

00:11:17.780 They are going into a place that they have been told could be hostile because it could have a drug

00:11:22.780 dealer inside. And whether he's violent or not, I don't know, but they suspect that maybe if he's

00:11:28.700 there, they knock, they identify, they knock, they identify. Then they took the door down. The minute

00:11:35.600 that door is open, somebody in the dark shoots at them, looking at it from their side, their shooting

00:11:43.640 back is 100% as justified as the person on the other side of the door. Yep. This is at this point,

00:11:52.520 what happened in there was not anything that you can change. There's no reform that will change that

00:11:59.740 because you have two people seeing something from the, both innocent, both acting rationally

00:12:08.060 and legally on both sides. Yep. You have both of them reacting appropriately. And if you add,

00:12:15.900 it was just one little flavor here to add is they thought Breonna Taylor was alone. So they go into

00:12:22.840 a place where they believe it's only Breonna Taylor. Now there's two people in there and the other person 0.58

00:12:27.540 is shooting at them. Now, if you can't take this in the context of the investigation,

00:12:31.820 there's, they're trying to break up a drug ring here. They've already arrested Jamarcus Glover,

00:12:36.820 the drug dealer. What's their assumption probably in that moment that, and I don't know if there's

00:12:42.040 enough time to really noodle this all out, but that he is probably working with Jamarcus Glover

00:12:47.780 there to, now that they know he's already arrested, they're there trying to get rid of the,

00:12:51.980 whatever is in the apartment. Now they're wrong, that that's not what happened, but the bottom line is

00:12:56.080 he shot a cop and cops, when they get shot are going to shoot back at the person who shot them.

00:13:01.880 This is not, this is not brain surgery here. This is very obvious. 0.56

00:13:05.760 And I don't even think you need to say he shot a cop because shooting a cop is one thing,

00:13:09.920 but when you're in fending for your life and you don't know, it's a cop shooting anyone with a gun

00:13:16.060 who is legally holding a, who's illegally holding a gun is going to shoot back.

00:13:21.820 Yes. He's justified. We, as a separate point from the police perspective, he, they just went into a

00:13:26.980 house with a warrant and got shot. So now they all fire, they fire back. There's another cop who

00:13:32.000 gets charged with a lesser crime. We can talk about that later, but the bottom line is she gets hit.

00:13:35.760 He doesn't. And, uh, and she passes away. This is not a case of racism. It's a good case.

00:13:42.240 If you want to talk about the libertarian critique of police over, you know, using,

00:13:46.500 not even a no knock. Yeah, it wasn't even a no knock. It's just, you know, three o'clock in the

00:13:50.840 morning, three o'clock in the morning. There's no, to me, there's absolutely no reason to, to execute

00:13:54.640 this warrant in this way, which is another part of the investigation that's not complete. So we have

00:13:59.860 no idea whether we'll find things that led to the warrant wrongly being served. So, so everything

00:14:05.240 that we know, the, the warrant has nothing to do with the cops and the warrant. If that was,

00:14:11.060 if that was fudged at all, that means the, the district attorney should be in trouble. But the

00:14:17.200 warrant is exactly the same thing we've been saying about Donald Trump's impeachment. The

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00:15:55.920 10 years ago, tens of thousands of Russians took to the streets in what was known as the snow

00:16:06.160 revolution. You feel the election was stolen? Yes, sure. Look it up. And Wikipedia will tell you the

00:16:11.580 cause of the unrest was claims by Russian foreign journalists, political activists, and members of

00:16:17.900 the public that the election process was flawed. California law is that you will count ballots

00:16:24.320 that arrive as late as 17 days or so after election day. Exactly. But it's not just in Russia.

00:16:34.200 These color revolutions occurred all over Eastern Europe. No, no, not just Europe.

00:16:39.960 They occurred all over the world. The Arab Spring in Egypt that swept the Middle East was just a

00:16:48.980 spontaneous protest spurred on by social media, right? We came, we saw, he died. Wrong. The protest

00:16:58.380 in Benghazi, Libya erupted after anger grew on the streets due to a YouTube video, right?

00:17:04.820 Wrong. And it's taken time, but the colors of these revolutions are clearing and we can see

00:17:12.620 everything now. We see the people involved in each one and the strategies implemented to manipulate

00:17:18.880 the people. But most importantly, we recognize the steps and we can see that these revolutions have

00:17:25.320 moved far from independent square in Kiev to here, now. Joe Biden, the challenger continuing to lead.

00:17:33.480 Tonight, Civil War, the left's revolution playbook exposed.

00:17:40.280 That was from last night's Wednesday night special. They are using the exact same playbook

00:17:48.200 to bring this election into a color revolution. And we showed you the first three steps. And it was,

00:17:58.540 it's really important. The color revolution specialists include Michael McFole. He was the

00:18:06.000 U.S. ambassador to Russia under President Obama. And he wrote an academic paper in 2005 about the

00:18:13.360 seven pillars a country needs to have in place for successful color revolution. I showed these last

00:18:20.120 night on the chalkboard color revolution. Now, this is important. This is not a banana republic style

00:18:28.200 coup. A coup is when the military takes over. This is a revolution. This is when the people rise up.

00:18:37.360 And it's a strategy that the U.S. has used for regime change in foreign nations with just a few

00:18:43.620 components. You have to question the legitimacy of an election. That is the key. That's why we showed

00:18:51.360 in Russia, the snow revolution, the guy who wrote the seven steps of the seven pillars of color revolution,

00:19:00.640 he was the ambassador of Russia. When this went down, Putin said to him when they first met,

00:19:08.760 I know why you're here. Meaning I know you are fomenting a revolution against me. Putin

00:19:17.520 stopped that revolution. Now we can judge that as good or bad. It doesn't matter. The color revolution 0.93

00:19:26.600 pillars just are. So if you want to say the guy who wrote the book, he might be very patriotic. He may be

00:19:34.560 like, hey, this is this is fantastic. We can overturn nations and we have an easy way to do it. And they've done

00:19:43.340 it over and over and over again. They've used these steps. This is what happened in the Middle East. Do you

00:19:52.200 remember when we talked about the Arab Spring? And I said, this is coordinated. This is not a spontaneous

00:19:58.900 uprising. You watch for those words. Spontaneous uprising. This is just a spontaneous uprising.

00:20:09.160 This guy in Tunisia, it was just a spontaneous uprising. The Benghazi, Libya, that overthrow and

00:20:17.340 Gaddafi being dragged in the streets. That was just a spontaneous uprising. ISIS, the rise of the

00:20:25.020 radicals in Syria. That was just a spontaneous uprising. In Ukraine, where they got rid of the 0.99

00:20:34.800 the the the Russian oligarch and put in an American style oligarch. That was just a spontaneous uprising.

00:20:45.240 All of them are spontaneous uprisings. But as we have shown on our Wednesday night specials during the

00:20:51.920 impeachment trial, we showed you what was really going on in Ukraine. And yes, it had a lot to do

00:20:58.620 with Joe Biden and his family getting rich off of it. But that's not the that's not what they were

00:21:04.160 concerned about. They throw Joe Biden under the bus in a heartbeat. It wasn't about that. Even the Joe

00:21:11.640 Biden stuff is almost a red herring. Yes. When you know what happened in Ukraine, he is possibly I don't

00:21:20.260 well, I'll leave it as possibly because you can make an argument against it. He is the most corrupt 0.97

00:21:27.140 vice president in our history. And that's saying something we've had really bad corrupt vice 0.81

00:21:33.680 presidents. But that's not the story in Ukraine. That's not what they were trying to cover up with

00:21:40.420 impeachment. It's the color revolution and how this is now become part of civil society 2.0. 0.75

00:21:48.660 What is civil society 2.0? That's a George Soros

00:21:54.040 system, if you will. We want an open society. We want civil society, civil society. That is civil

00:22:04.460 society. It's like civil society, Inc. OK, it's a way to control people and control. Once you have a

00:22:12.080 civil society, you don't control it anymore. And part of that civil society is to go in

00:22:19.420 and undermine the justice system. You go in and you take over the attorney general's office.

00:22:27.880 You take over the district attorney's office. This is what they've done in country after country

00:22:34.760 after country. And George Soros has been funneling money in all of the races to get his handpicked

00:22:43.320 people in at the attorney general's office or at your district attorneys. He's got district

00:22:50.180 attorneys everywhere. Now, I'm not saying that he's calling. This is what you do. He just looked

00:22:56.740 for people that he could support, that support opening up prisons, letting people go, not going

00:23:05.500 after Marxist revolutionaries. The people that are causing the real problems as district attorneys

00:23:13.440 in states. Most likely, check it out. Their campaigns were funded by George Soros because it's part

00:23:21.840 of civil society 2.0. Soros does not like he is a corrupt capitalist. He he just wants to make money

00:23:34.220 and power. There are people that believe in something. George Soros isn't one of them. George

00:23:40.720 Soros is a guy who believes in himself, his own intellect, his own power and his wealth. That's

00:23:48.820 what he believes in. He's not going to be on the losing. He's not doing this in like our lives,

00:23:54.820 our fortunes and our sacred honor. And if I lose all my money, I don't care. He does care.

00:24:00.620 And this is set up as a system, as we saw in Ukraine, for him to be able to have the cover

00:24:07.220 with all of his organizations to do what he wants and to be able to control enough levers in the justice

00:24:14.920 system to say, prosecute this guy. Don't prosecute this guy. That's what was happening in Ukraine.

00:24:22.460 This, by the way, is why George Soros is kicked out of country after country after country.

00:24:28.520 He's not welcome in the former Soviet Union in Russia. Why? Snow revolution, color revolution. 0.83

00:24:36.020 That's why. Now, there are seven pillars that a country needs to have in play, and we have all of

00:24:47.060 them in play right now. And they explain absolutely everything that you're seeing in the news.

00:24:54.480 Last night, I did a new chalkboard on it, and it's to understand what's going on.

00:25:00.540 I've made it really, really simple. This is bottom-up, top-down, inside-out.

00:25:09.260 You are now seeing the orchestrated bottom-up movement. You are seeing and feeling the orchestrated

00:25:17.980 Antifa, Black Lives Matter. Those things were started by Soros and his cronies. They were the real funding.

00:25:30.540 He doesn't need to control them. He just needs to fund them. And he's not alone. There are a lot of

00:25:38.080 people that are just greedy, want power, want to be, as one of George Soros' people said to us

00:25:45.740 in a threat at a private lunch, you tell your boss, the ship has already sailed, and you're either on the

00:25:56.960 ship or you're not. The person who was at that table responding for me said, I don't need to ask Glenn

00:26:06.640 if he wants to be on the ship. The answer will be, he's not on the ship. He doesn't ever want to be on

00:26:13.700 the ship. That's what's happening. People and companies are seeing that a great reset is coming.

00:26:22.900 There's a new world order coming, and you're either on the ship or you're not on the ship.

00:26:29.340 Well, I'm not for a new world order. I'm not for a great reset that resets capitalism in the way that

00:26:37.720 the progressives, the Marxists, the radicals would be closer to their heart's desire. I shouldn't say

00:26:46.440 Marxists, because those people who actually believe in Marxism are going to be very surprised

00:26:51.400 at what the world looks like, because it's not going to be Marxist. Oh, it'll be totalitarian,

00:26:56.600 but it's not going to be Marxist.

00:27:01.260 It's not going to, it might smell like Chinese communism, but if you think that's the fair way 1.00

00:27:10.460 of running a country, well, then you, I don't know what you're fighting for.

00:27:15.220 But that's what the people at the top are fighting for, a more fair and equitable system

00:27:21.300 that provides the people at the top with even more control, because they know better.

00:27:27.780 And look at how successful the Chinese are with their system, if we only had a system more like that. 0.59

00:27:35.780 What you're seeing right now is, I believe, a desperate Hail Mary pass that started the minute

00:27:45.920 Trump won the election. They did not expect him to win the election. They expected Hillary Clinton

00:27:53.500 to be in office. And Hillary Clinton was one of the originators of the Civil Society 2.0. 1.00

00:28:01.160 It was her State Department that was in Ukraine, her and John Kerry.

00:28:08.620 She was all for this, and they had all of the pieces. They just needed somebody who would go

00:28:15.160 along with it in the Oval Office. And let me remind you what George Bush told me in the Oval Office.

00:28:22.040 Glenn, don't worry about things. I'm telling you, it doesn't matter who's elected.

00:28:28.140 Whoever is elected will be advised by the same people, and they will realize the president's hands are tied.

00:28:36.860 I told you that, I think, the day after I met with the president, and it scared the hell out of me.

00:28:43.720 Then why do we have elections?

00:28:46.520 That is a recognition of the deep state. It doesn't matter what the president wants to do.

00:28:53.460 We're on course, and there's no turning this ship.

00:28:58.380 Well, Donald Trump doesn't believe that.

00:29:03.300 He is arrogant enough, in a good way, to say, I'm the president.

00:29:10.620 And what I say to my administration goes,

00:29:14.800 These people hired me to do this, and I'm going to do it in my administration and constitutionally.

00:29:24.080 This is why everybody lies to you.

00:29:26.320 Oh, I'm going to do this.

00:29:27.320 Then they get in, and they realize.

00:29:28.620 It's not that they're corrupted.

00:29:30.400 They realize, I'm not going to change anything.

00:29:35.960 The system, the ship has already sailed.

00:29:38.000 The system is what it is.

00:29:39.860 It's too deep.

00:29:40.640 And when you have that, you have the choice.

00:29:44.100 Do you become part of it and enrich yourself and protect your family and your future?

00:29:50.880 Or do you go out in a ball of flame?

00:29:55.240 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:30:01.160 He's a contributing editor of the City Journal.

00:30:03.980 He is also the director of the Center on Wealth and Poverty.

00:30:07.540 He is a guy who is really getting to the bottom of what is happening internally in places like Seattle, but also in Washington.

00:30:18.680 He was the guy who exposed the CDC for going ahead and disobeying a direct order from the president to cancel their critical race theory classes.

00:30:31.000 He also uncovered three other sections of the government that are also still doing it.

00:30:39.480 If I'm not mistaken, Christopher, have you heard an update?

00:30:41.800 Are they still holding those, or have those been canceled?

00:30:45.160 They've been canceled.

00:30:46.560 And, you know, Russ Vought, who is the director of OMB, has been really on a seek-and-destroy mission for these critical race theory programs.

00:30:54.900 And within 24 hours of me reporting on these three agencies, which were EPA, State Department, and Veterans Administration, his team shut them down.

00:31:05.240 And they, even with some resistance, I'm told, but they were able to get these things canceled.

00:31:10.220 So here's the thing, because I've talked to Russ, and he is great.

00:31:13.740 He's doing yeoman's work here.

00:31:17.260 But if the president doesn't fire people, if we don't fire these people, they're not going to learn anything.

00:31:25.740 There's no, it's going to teach that you can get away with anything until somebody like you comes along and exposes it.

00:31:33.100 Yeah, that's right.

00:31:35.920 I think it's very difficult, as you know.

00:31:38.220 The civil service laws are heavily favored towards kind of status quo, inertia, and bureaucracy.

00:31:45.340 It's difficult to fire folks.

00:31:47.000 But the executive order that came out yesterday, or the day before yesterday, rather, was quite striking because they built in some new enforcement mechanisms.

00:31:55.800 All diversity and inclusion training programs throughout the federal government have to pass through the OMB and the OPM for centralized approval.

00:32:05.600 And then they're also instructing agency heads for managers who refuse to comply and continue to do critical race theory training programs.

00:32:13.560 They're instructed to begin adverse action proceedings, which is the first step into actually getting people fired or demoted or punished.

00:32:21.280 And I think that they know this, and they're working kind of every lever that they can in order to build in some enforcement and build in some accountability.

00:32:30.580 You know, it's really amazing that you can have a president say, this is a poison that is killing our country, and no one is to do this.

00:32:40.720 And you actually have civil servants who will take it upon themselves to not only continue it, but they will act in direct defiance because they believe that it's good, I guess.

00:32:55.760 And they will help poison the nation, and we can't fire them.

00:33:02.080 I mean, that would never happen in the regular world.

00:33:05.300 You go against, the CEO says, hey, I don't want anyone, anyone making this product because it's poison, and we're, you know, Tylenol.

00:33:18.660 Don't.

00:33:19.220 We don't make that.

00:33:20.460 And then somebody just going ahead and making it anyway, that person would be fired and never work again.

00:33:26.340 Yeah, and that's exactly the problem because what we have now, and this is something that scholars at the Claremont Institute and elsewhere have long warned about, we have essentially a fourth branch of government, this permanent bureaucracy.

00:33:40.440 And they're operating with the attitude that, unfortunately, is true, where they're saying, well, the administration changes every four or eight years, but whatever happens, we're going to be here, and we're going to operate on our own ideology, our own rules.

00:33:53.600 And, frankly, they're kind of operating outside of the Constitution and saying very clearly, even when they got called out through my reporting, even when they got called out directly by Russ Vaught in the Office of Management and Budget, my source is telling me that they were still defiant, and the administration had to kind of use some threats on the funding level in order to get compliance.

00:34:17.340 So we have an out-of-control bureaucracy that has been radicalized politically, and they're operating with no sense of consequences and even a sense of disdain for the politically elected leader of the executive branch.

00:34:32.260 There's something my gut tells me, and we're investigating so many other things that I haven't had time.

00:34:37.700 Maybe if you're just one of those people that are just like worms and you just really like to just dig in and find stuff, somebody should do an investigation on CDC,

00:34:46.940 because there's something wrong there.

00:34:48.560 I don't know what it is, but the way they are so defiant, there's something happening there that I just don't – it needs to be cleaned out.

00:34:58.800 I don't know what it is, but maybe I'm wrong.

00:35:01.620 Chris, go ahead.

00:35:02.620 I'll tell you exactly what.

00:35:03.880 I had my source within the CDC who had sent me the whistleblower documents.

00:35:09.640 This person told me that the culture in CDC has been ideologically radicalized.

00:35:16.460 They're pushing some of the most toxic elements of critical race theory, and when these programs were canceled after Russ Vought shut them down,

00:35:25.180 this source described the atmosphere in the CDC as like a funeral because they were so disappointed that they couldn't be doing this critical race theory programming.

00:35:35.400 That's frightening.

00:35:37.120 All right, Christopher, I want to talk to you a little bit about Seattle.

00:35:40.200 Seattle, the Seattle City Council overrode the mayor's veto to defund the police.

00:35:48.540 So the mayor even – the mayor is crazy.

00:35:52.340 The mayor has even said, no, no, no, we're not going to cut that deeply.

00:35:56.360 And the Seattle City Council overrode the veto.

00:35:59.820 What does this mean for police and for Seattle?

00:36:02.400 A couple things.

00:36:04.820 You know, I think it's actually a bit of a misconception nationally about the mayor of Seattle, Jenny Durkan.

00:36:09.920 She is actually a quite moderate Democrat.

00:36:13.280 She is obviously, you know, on the left, but she's on the sensible left.

00:36:17.860 She's a former U.S. attorney.

00:36:19.420 She understands how the system works.

00:36:21.320 She's really the only person that's defending the police department.

00:36:24.340 But she's really being kind of ripped apart by the city council, which is kind of socialist and democratic socialist in nature.

00:36:33.680 And they're moving forward with these plans.

00:36:35.520 We're going to have 100 fewer officers on the street.

00:36:39.580 And, you know, officers within SPD tell me that the officers who are still remaining are bailing left and right because they see the writing on the wall.

00:36:48.280 The activists are not going to stop at cutting 100 officers.

00:36:50.940 They're really going to try in the next budget season, which is coming up shortly, to defund the police by 50 percent.

00:36:57.500 You have a majority of city council members that have pledged for a full 50 percent cut.

00:37:02.280 So the youngest officers, the best officers, the officers that still have some career left in them are seeking lateral transfers to other departments because they know that being a police officer in the city of Seattle is now a kind of risk to your career.

00:37:17.480 It's a risk to your life, safety. And frankly, and frankly, what's going to happen is they're saying you're going to have a police office, a police force that is only responding to the most serious calls.

00:37:29.480 And your response times might double, triple, quadruple.

00:37:32.860 How do you where you may have a violent crime and it could take half an hour for police to arrive?

00:37:37.120 How do they logically think that this is going to keep people safe and and keep the street safe, the police safe?

00:37:47.060 How how are they expecting this to work? Are they that really that stupid or do they not care? 1.00

00:37:53.160 You know, I think they're really possessed by this story that the police is a you know, the city council, some of some of the some of the legislation that they were considering explicitly says the Seattle Police Department is a white supremacist institution. 1.00

00:38:09.000 They go around kind of hunting people of color.

00:38:11.640 I mean, the most kind of kind of horrific narratives have possessed a kind of activist class within the city and they are moving forward on really no logical basis.

00:38:23.080 They're moving forward on a kind of kind of millenarian basis where they're saying if we destroy the institutions of the police,

00:38:31.900 which is kind of the last vestige of conservatism within the institution, it's the only thing that's standing between us and utopia.

00:38:39.320 Their idea is through this great destruction of the police department, some kind of natural beauty and natural utopia will emerge.

00:38:48.580 It's deeply naive.

00:38:50.140 And unfortunately, it's going to cause the most chaos and destruction in Seattle's poorest neighborhoods.

00:38:54.980 So please, Stu, Stu, and I read this like three times and we're like, OK, maybe, maybe, maybe this is good.

00:39:07.360 Maybe this is good.

00:39:09.660 Seattle has just hired an ex pimp to help them figure out how to police the streets.

00:39:19.860 Now, how long has he not been a pimp?

00:39:23.520 And he's a community organizer, I take it. 0.89

00:39:27.640 And that's I think I might rather have the pimp.

00:39:30.880 Can you tell me that story?

00:39:33.420 Yeah, you know, I've actually his name's Andre Taylor.

00:39:36.000 I've actually met with Andre Taylor.

00:39:37.560 I've interviewed him.

00:39:39.160 He is a very charismatic person.

00:39:41.280 And he is kind of the mayor and some other members of the council are looking for any allies they have that can kind of play the role of activists, community leader.

00:39:51.620 You know, he's, you know, from the kind of heart of the African-American community in Seattle.

00:39:56.280 And they're essentially desperate to buy off elements of of the community.

00:40:02.180 And they're they're cutting checks furiously.

00:40:04.540 And the mayor has has has said what they want to do and the council backs her up is spend up to 100 million dollars supporting community organizations for, you know, communities of color, quote unquote.

00:40:16.520 So they're kind of playing this game where they feel like they can essentially buy support.

00:40:22.620 And if they inject enough cash into the activist networks, that they'll stop with the kind of agitation and disruption.

00:40:30.880 But I think it's a strategic blunder, because all that will do is it will kind of create a stronger and more permanent kind of activist class that has full time employees, full time agitators.

00:40:43.460 And, you know, when someone tries to extort money from you and you cut them a check, they're just going to try to extort more.

00:40:49.980 Well, you also create you also create the new Al Sharpton that is just a business.

00:40:57.080 Yeah, absolutely.

00:40:58.660 I think that's exactly right.

00:40:59.920 And, you know, when I met this gentleman, Andre Taylor, you know, for an interview, he rolled up in a in a in a brand new Porsche with yellow rims.

00:41:09.740 He had a security, a security guard wearing a suit that was kind of, you know, being his kind of advanced man.

00:41:15.980 And it felt very much like out of a Tom Wolfe novel.

00:41:19.460 It felt very much like this is almost a kind of cartoon character who is now being, you know, funded with a six figure paycheck by the city, but really has kind of no training, no kind of a kind of official capacity.

00:41:34.240 And it's not really clear that he has the ability to do anything positive for the city moving forward.

00:41:42.240 Because, Christopher, there are cases like this.

00:41:44.000 And some of the most effective people that would talk out about a bad thing happening in the community are people who lived it and are reformed.

00:41:52.500 Those can be inspiring voices at times.

00:41:54.700 Right.

00:41:54.840 Do you see this particular ex-pimp as one of those people?

00:41:59.700 You know, and that's a great question.

00:42:02.200 And in fairness, in some ways, yes.

00:42:03.760 I mean, one thing that Andre Taylor has done to his credit is that he's actually spoke out against the Chaz Chop. 1.00

00:42:10.400 And he actually went to the Chaz Chop and he said, look, if you care about the black community, doing this experiment and kind of white anarchism is not going to help us.

00:42:21.080 So you guys should get out of here before someone gets killed. 0.57

00:42:24.300 And he was actually thrown out of the Chaz Chop because he was essentially giving that speech.

00:42:29.880 So it's a kind of mystery, honestly.

00:42:33.200 Even I spent an hour with him.

00:42:35.200 It really is a mystery.

00:42:37.000 I think he has some actually good ideas.

00:42:39.220 He has some ability to kind of rein in the worst of the kind of activists.

00:42:44.400 But at the end of the day, it's kind of like your left hand fighting your right hand.

00:42:48.660 I don't know if anyone wins.

00:42:51.420 As always, thank you very much for watching this stuff so closely and being brave enough to report on it.

00:42:59.120 Christopher Ruffo, contributing editor of the City Journal.

00:43:02.780 We'll talk again, Chris.

00:43:03.680 Thanks.

The Glenn Beck Program - September 24, 2020

Best of The Program ｜ Guest： Christopher Rufo ｜ 9⧸24⧸20

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