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00:00:11.660 scotia bank you're richer than you think winston churchill was he the bad guy in world war ii

00:00:18.960 and the 1619 project did that is that where slavery began in america okay no no and that's

00:00:28.660 not even the question we should be asking ourselves right now the new york times and

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00:03:07.280 us now let's get to work you're listening to the best of the glenn beck program welcome to the

00:03:21.580 glenn beck program i want to take on something else that i don't know maybe maybe i should just keep my

00:03:28.440 big fat mouth shut um but because i think this one's gonna piss off everybody but it's the truth

00:03:33.920 there was a story in the new york times the podcaster asking you to side with history's

00:03:38.680 villains he was in the new york times let me read some of it daryl cooper is no scholar but legions

00:03:45.160 of fans many on the right can't seem to resist what he presents as hidden truths all of a sudden

00:03:51.080 everyone was coming for daryl cooper there were the newspaper columnists the historians the jewish

00:03:56.000 groups repugnant says the chairman of yad vashem israel's holocaust museum in a statement even the

00:04:01.780 biden white house released a statement calling him a holocaust denier who spreads nazi propaganda

00:04:06.280 so it was for a time for mr cooper one of the most popular podcasters in the country to do what he does

00:04:11.980 best hit record in a special episode of his history program martyr made mr cooper addressed the

00:04:18.360 controversy which he had which had exploded out of september 2nd appearance on the tucker carlson show

00:04:23.460 the podcast started by the former fox news host at first mr cooper a gifted historic storyteller

00:04:29.540 but not a trained historian defended the claims he had made on mr carlson show one that winston

00:04:35.520 churchill was the chief villain of the war ridiculous not by implication adolf hitler uh the

00:04:43.100 two uh and two that millions had died in nazi controlled eastern europe because nazis had not

00:04:48.280 adequately planned to feed them okay not true uh he then said you know the story goes on to say then

00:04:56.440 kind of retracted some of that stuff this emotional ventriloquism is part of mr cooper's approach and

00:05:01.780 appeal on tiktok a fan praised him as one of the best historians of our time because he tries to go

00:05:06.300 out of his way to understand the perspective of everyone involved in a situation these critics

00:05:10.800 have probably helped make mr cooper bigger than ever he has been the most subscribed to history

00:05:15.980 newsletter on substack one spot ahead of the eminent economic historian adam tuses in the wake of the

00:05:21.940 rogan interview mart martyr made blah blah blah blah blah okay so they go on and on and on to talk

00:05:28.760 about how this just can't stand i mean we've got to there's got to be some sort of filter and you know

00:05:39.020 joe rogan just can't have on whoever he wants to have on that's the problem is it new york times is that

00:05:45.560 the problem hmm it's really interesting now let me just look and and let me just look in the past

00:05:53.740 here and see if we've had this exact same problem with anybody else because the person that came to

00:06:01.400 mind was not daryl cooper but nicole hannah jones because i think those two are the same coin and the

00:06:09.880 coins counterfeit but just opposite sides of the same coin the martyr made podcast spins a tale of

00:06:16.480 grievance and distrust and it's wrapped enough in in enough fact to keep it plausible um but there are

00:06:23.880 some facts in there okay jones she did the 1619 project she did the same thing in reverse except i think

00:06:32.280 she's actually worse i mean because i think she made up almost everything in that she recasts american

00:06:40.320 history as racist from the very inception of the country neither one of them is telling the whole

00:06:46.720 truth neither one of them neither one wants to i think they're both in the business of narrative and

00:06:52.820 not history so am i but i try to be fair the real problem is not these two honestly it's the new york

00:07:04.140 times because in their sunday styles right up on cooper the times poses as a concerned observer wary of

00:07:13.660 growing influence among the disaffected right why are we disaffected why is the right disaffected

00:07:19.500 we're disaffected because um you have tried to take our country from us everything that we believe

00:07:25.420 our history our values our traditions and you've tried to uh denigrate them and destroy them every

00:07:31.560 step of the way and you've done it with one lie right after another okay why are they framing him

00:07:39.160 not with facts but with suspicion not because he's dishonest or not dishonest but because he's popular

00:07:46.260 they clutch their pearls because he has an audience and only the new york times can have that audience

00:07:52.240 but where was that concern when they did when they when they gave an audience to nicole hannah jones

00:07:58.540 and gave her a pulitzer for a project now so discredited by the very historians that are now talking about

00:08:06.220 cooper where was the caution when they declared that 1619 not 1776 was the true founding of the nation

00:08:15.120 they didn't question her authority they didn't say well she's not a historian they printed it in fact

00:08:20.620 they taught it and endorsed it they platformed it in schools that's different than anything that joe rogan

00:08:29.300 is doing they platformed it in schools so let's be clear okay i think both cooper and jones are wrong

00:08:38.280 they may have points worth considering but i think that they get it fundamentally wrong in a few places

00:08:46.820 they they are looking at facts to sell the story um and not necessarily reveal the truth now maybe i'm

00:08:54.360 being too cynical but that's the way i see it and i'm not condemning either one i'm condemning all of

00:09:01.800 those on the left or the right that are now doing the same thing that the new york times did with uh

00:09:09.160 uh with uh cooper but didn't do with hannah nicole jones only one of those two was lauded by the new

00:09:19.060 york times as legitimate and a necessary corrective even though it was all a lie made up so that's what

00:09:27.880 when i'm i'm reading that op-ed in the new york times i can't take the oh my gosh the hypocritical

00:09:34.240 nature of it i just a blood shoots out of my eyes because that's what the new york times is actually

00:09:41.080 saying don't you little people understand we must decide what stories are acceptable not you not somebody

00:09:49.260 like joe rogan we will decide which distortions are virtuous and which ones are dangerous not

00:09:57.700 you we get to choose the false prophets that get a column which and which ones are called

00:10:03.860 conspiracy theorists we at the new york times we in the media and that is the problem this isn't about

00:10:13.780 the authors okay first amendment gives them a right to say whatever they want you may not like it if you

00:10:19.920 don't like it stop listening well but other people might listen yeah well hmm other people might

00:10:25.360 listen and maybe we should pay more attention to our education in our schools maybe we should pay

00:10:31.760 more attention so we don't become somebody that is uh a dummy themselves and are because this is the

00:10:40.620 problem we don't have a press that exposes lies anymore we have a press that curates the lies

00:10:47.680 i really think this is why i started collecting you know we have now the third largest collection

00:10:56.760 of founding documents in the american journey experience along with david barton's wall builders

00:11:02.940 it is it's only behind the national archives and the library of congress most people don't know it

00:11:08.760 because you know we don't talk about it yet beginning in 26 we're going to be making a big deal out of it

00:11:14.740 um we also have the largest collection of pilgrim era artifacts and documents in the world the largest

00:11:21.820 so i can tell you what happened in jamestown in 1619 i can tell you this the ship that hannah

00:11:29.020 nicole jones talks about there were no slaves on that ship how do i know we have the manifest

00:11:34.340 no slaves that seems problematic doesn't it and the mayflower did not launch a system of slavery in

00:11:45.820 fact they fought against it we i mean girl this is so crazy what the pilgrims did against slavery was

00:11:55.100 remarkable remarkable when a slave ship accidentally came into their port it was slavery was against the

00:12:03.720 law they called it man stealing it was against the law and as soon as that slave came into port you

00:12:08.140 could smell a slave ship they knew exactly what it was and they marched marched up and they arrested

00:12:12.720 the captain of the ship they put him in irons and put him in jail and then these people who are already

00:12:19.720 paying 50 of everything they made these poor people 50 of everything they made to a king that they

00:12:27.800 despised but they paid it because they wanted just to stay alive they took up a collection from each

00:12:34.940 other not outside from each other got a new captain refueled restocked the ship and sent those people

00:12:43.640 those slaves back to africa so they could be freed that's who our pilgrims were don't believe me you

00:12:50.900 don't have to take my word for it we have the evidence please you know the longest running treaty

00:12:58.660 with native americans happened with our pilgrims and you know who broke it not the white man it was

00:13:04.940 the native americans and you know why because after years and years of the pilgrims and the native

00:13:10.040 americans getting along christianity was starting to seep into their culture and they needed to go to

00:13:15.180 war with a tribe and the war that the way they used to fight it the native americans were it was okay

00:13:21.520 to enslave your enemy in fact you needed to you could torture them after you won just to make a

00:13:28.920 point and then you could enslave anybody you wanted and christianity said no you can't do either one of

00:13:35.160 those things and so the native americans that were part of this tribe that were friends and under this

00:13:41.100 treaty with the pilgrims they started telling their chief you know we can't do these things and the

00:13:46.100 chief got so pissed because he's like we were fighting a war and we're fighting the way we've

00:13:49.620 always fought it that they broke the treaty did you know that nah no we were just horrible we stole the land

00:13:56.640 did america live up to its ideals no has anybody ever have you has the pope has anybody really lived up

00:14:08.320 to their ideals all the time no but you have ideals and that's what matters by the way on the other

00:14:15.240 side i also happen to own a few original nazi documents from the actual perpetrators i've got

00:14:22.240 documents from the engineer that actually calculated how much zyklon b it would take to murder a room full

00:14:27.840 of jews okay uh it wasn't because they didn't want to they didn't have enough food that this was

00:14:34.460 calculated i have the final prescription signed by dr mangala for a thousand liters of luminol for the

00:14:41.840 so-called children's hospital that's how the reich was killing the undesirables in the children's

00:14:47.780 hospital they didn't do it in a frenzy it wasn't in a riot it wasn't out of desperation it was silence

00:14:54.800 in lab coats with bureaucrats and experts signing off and the press like the new york times refusing to

00:15:02.500 say a word about it the scariest people are not the ones in the streets they weren't they were the

00:15:09.180 ones with titles with offices with press credentials they were the ones with the doctorates they were the

00:15:16.300 people who decided what could be published who could be punished what could be known what could be said

00:15:22.420 and that's the danger that we're staring down right now not from fringe theorists on a podcast not even

00:15:30.300 from overzealous academics with a pulitzer but from the institutions that bless one distortion and

00:15:37.260 condemn the other not based on truth but based on usefulness is it useful to our side i just want

00:15:45.060 you to know this is my stance on this and make this very very clear the first amendment does not exist to

00:15:52.980 protect comfortable speech it doesn't exist to protect cooper uh as opposed to jones it exists to

00:16:01.640 protect both of them it protects uncomfortable points of view things you do not like to hear

00:16:09.360 and disagreement it protects people who are absolutely wrong and even those who are lying

00:16:15.840 it protects the process so you can figure it out there is no licensed priesthood in our country you

00:16:27.240 know that are the the priesthood of truth tellers no official ministry of facts that's where countries

00:16:32.800 go wrong the times should be exposing both sides of these stories just like i'm doing the distortions of

00:16:39.880 the right and the left but instead they become exactly what they've warned us about a newspaper that

00:16:47.720 prints dogma and not dialogue and the real problem here no the real solution here is you jefferson warned

00:16:59.120 that a man who reads nothing um but newspapers i'm sorry a man who reads nothing is better informed

00:17:06.720 than a man who only reads the newspaper okay i would say the newspaper is today's social media man who

00:17:12.860 reads nothing is more well educated than a man who just only reads social media but today we might say

00:17:19.880 better to be ignorant than confidently uh misled by trusted media they see themselves not as a watchdog

00:17:28.320 but as a shepherd and we are the sheep so i'm not defending either one i'm defending the idea

00:17:34.260 that we the people not the institutions not the elites not the new york times not joe rogan

00:17:39.900 you decide what's true and that takes work and it takes curiosity maybe the other guy's wrong i don't

00:17:46.540 know maybe i don't have the whole story either i don't know look it up because the minute you let

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00:19:14.440 to the podcast this is the best of the glenn beck program and we really want to thank you for

00:19:18.840 listening so uh we have uh daniel cocatello uh and uh he's a former open ai researcher daniel have you been

00:19:27.420 on the program before i don't think you have have you uh no i haven't yeah well welcome i'm glad

00:19:33.360 you're here um really appreciate it thank you sir um we wanted to have you on because i am a guy who

00:19:39.800 i've been talking about ai forever uh and it is both just thrilling and one of the scariest things i've

00:19:47.920 ever seen at the same time and it's kind of like not really sure which way it's going um are you

00:19:54.500 how confident are you that what'd you say it's going to go both ways uh it's going to be very

00:20:01.640 thrilling and also very scary yeah okay good good good all right well uh thanks for starting my monday

00:20:07.720 off with that um so can you can you tell me first of all let's start with some of the good things that

00:20:12.380 you think are coming and are right around the corner that people just don't understand because i don't

00:20:16.600 think anybody the average person has they hear this they think it's oh it's like social media it's

00:20:22.980 going to be like the cell phone it's going to change everything and they don't know that yet

00:20:27.760 yeah well um where to begin i think so probably people are familiar with systems like chat gpt

00:20:39.160 now which are large language models that you can go have an actual normal conversation with

00:20:44.300 unlike ordinary software programs um they're getting better at everything in particular

00:20:50.800 uh right now and in the next few years the companies are working on turning them into

00:20:55.000 autonomous agents so instead of simply uh responding to some message that you send them and then

00:21:01.640 you know turning off they would be continuously operating uh roaming around browsing the internet

00:21:08.740 working on their own projects uh on their own computers checking in with you sending messages

00:21:14.500 like a like a human employee basically right um that's what the companies are working on now

00:21:21.060 and it's the stated intention of the ceos of these companies to build eventually super intelligence

00:21:27.740 um what is super intelligence super intelligence is fully autonomous ai systems that are better than

00:21:34.200 humans that absolutely everything so on the surface that that sounds that sounds like a movie that

00:21:43.300 we've all seen and you kind of you know you say that uh and you're like anybody that's working on

00:21:49.040 these have they seen the same movies i've seen i mean what the heck let's spring and let's just go to

00:21:54.120 see jurassic park uh you know ex machina what do you what do you think i don't i mean is it just me

00:22:01.980 or do people in the industry go you know this could be really bad yeah it's a great question

00:22:09.300 and the answer is they totally have seen those movies and they totally think yes it could go

00:22:13.100 really bad in fact that's part of the founding story of some of these companies so um what do you

00:22:18.580 mean what do you mean so um uh shane leg who is i guess arguably the technical founder of deep

00:22:27.380 mind which is now part of google deep minds which is one of the big three uh companies building

00:22:32.180 building towards super intelligence um i believe in his phd thesis he discussed the possibility of

00:22:39.820 uh superhuman ai systems and how if they were not correctly aligned to the right values if they were

00:22:45.960 not correctly instilled with the appropriate uh ethics that they could kill everyone and you know

00:22:51.480 become a superior competitor species to humans um it's not just him lots of the people at these

00:22:58.920 companies especially early on basically had similar thoughts of wow this is going to be the biggest

00:23:05.080 thing ever um if it goes well it could be the best thing that ever happens if it goes poorly it could

00:23:10.920 literally kill everyone or do something you know similarly catastrophic like leading to a permanent

00:23:15.260 dystopia um people react to that in different ways so um some people sort of stayed in academia some

00:23:22.820 people you know stayed in whatever other jobs they had or founded non-profits to do research about

00:23:27.800 this sort of thing some people uh decided well if this is going to happen then it's better if

00:23:34.900 good people like me and my friends are in charge when it happens um and so that's basically the

00:23:40.960 founding story of a lot of these companies that's sort of part of why uh deep mind was created and

00:23:46.520 that's part of why open ai was created i highly recommend going and reading some of the uh the

00:23:51.620 emails that surfaced in court documents uh related to the lawsuits um against open ai because in some of

00:23:59.280 those emails you see uh some of the founders of open ai talking to each other about why they founded

00:24:04.120 open ai um and basically it was because they didn't trust deep mind to handle this

00:24:10.920 responsibly um and anyhow did they go on to come up with did did they come on did they go on to say

00:24:18.680 like you know and that's why we've developed this and it's going to protect us from it i mean or did

00:24:26.900 they just lose their way what happened i mean it's an interesting sociological question my my take on it

00:24:35.560 is that institutions tend to be um tend to conform to their incentives over time there's been a sort of

00:24:46.160 like there's been a sort of evaporative cooling effect where the people who are most concerned

00:24:52.980 about where all this is headed tend to uh not be the ones who get promoted and end up running the

00:24:59.720 companies and they tend to be the ones who for example quit like me um you'll be let's stop there

00:25:06.480 for a second let's hang on just stop there for a second you were a governance researcher at open ai

00:25:10.980 on scenario planning what does that mean i was i was a researcher on the governance team scenario

00:25:18.060 planning is just one of several things that i did um so basically i mean i did a couple different

00:25:25.920 things that open the eye one of the things that i did was try to game out what the future is going

00:25:30.460 to look like so yeah 2027 is a uh much bigger more elaborate more rigorous version of uh some

00:25:39.420 smaller projects that i sort of did while i was at open ai if that makes sense like i think back in

00:25:43.800 2022 i like wrote my own like here's gaming out what the next couple years were going to look like

00:25:48.800 internal scenario right um and then how close are you i can i'll get some things right get some

00:25:55.880 things wrong um the basic trend is hard to miss right as systems getting better and better

00:26:00.220 becoming more autonomous etc um for how close i was overall i actually did a similar scenario back

00:26:07.700 in 2021 before i joined open ai and so you can go read that and judge what i got right and what i got

00:26:14.740 wrong um i would say that that's about par for the course for me when i tend to do these sorts of

00:26:20.360 things and i'm hoping that yeah 2027 will uh also be you know about that level of right and wrong

00:26:27.100 so you mentioned the thing the thing the thing i wrote in 2021 is called uh what 2026 looks like

00:26:35.360 in case you want to look it up okay well we'll look it up um you walked away from millions in equity

00:26:42.680 in open ai what what what made you walk away what were they doing that made you go i don't think

00:26:49.240 it's worth the money so

00:26:53.140 so back to the bigger picture i think remember these companies are trying to build super

00:27:02.620 intelligence uh it's going to be better than humans uh better than the best humans at everything

00:27:08.180 while also being faster and cheaper and you can just make you know many many copies of them

00:27:12.760 uh the ceo of anthropic dario amadai he uses this term uh the country of geniuses on a data center

00:27:19.360 to try to visualize what it would be look like what it would look like because quantitatively we're

00:27:24.000 talking you know millions of copies each one of which is uh smarter than the smartest geniuses while

00:27:30.100 also being more charismatic than the most charismatic you know celebrities and politicians like

00:27:36.000 everything right so that's what they're building towards and that raises a bunch of important

00:27:41.120 questions like is that even a good idea for us to build for example and like how are we going

00:27:49.100 to make that safe and also who gets to control the army of geniuses in the data centers you know

00:27:55.560 right and right what what orders are they going to be given and who gets to decide right and like

00:28:00.900 these are some extremely important questions right um and uh there's a huge actually that's not

00:28:07.420 even other questions there's a long list of other very important questions too i was just

00:28:10.580 scratching the surface um and what i was hoping would happen at openai and at these other companies

00:28:17.380 is that as the creation of these ai systems gets closer and closer you know it it started out being

00:28:26.500 far in the future uh but as time goes on and progress is made uh it starts to feel like something

00:28:32.820 that could happen in the next few years right yes right as as we get closer and closer uh there needs

00:28:39.640 to be a lot more waking up and paying attention and asking these hard questions and a lot more effort

00:28:45.380 exerted to prepare uh to deal with these issues so for example um opening i created the super alignment

00:28:52.080 team which was a uh a team of technical researchers and engineers specifically focused on the question of

00:29:00.620 how do we make sure that we can put any values into these ai systems how do we make sure that we can

00:29:07.580 control them at all um even when they're smarter than us uh so they started that team and uh they

00:29:15.820 said that they were going to give 20 percent of their compute to to working on this problem basically

00:29:22.880 how much how much how much percentage went uh well i don't know and i can't say but i think it's

00:29:29.280 much less than 20 percent um it was a big step up right yeah yeah so 20 percent was was huge at the

00:29:35.620 time because it was way more than the company than any company was devoting to uh to that technical

00:29:41.840 question at the time so at the time it was a sort of leap forward it didn't pan out um as far as i know

00:29:48.200 they're still not at anywhere near 20 percent and that's just an example of the sort of thing that made

00:29:53.120 me quit where i'm like we are just not ready and we're not even taking the steps to get ready

00:29:57.400 and so we are we're going to be anyway even though we don't understand it don't know how to control it

00:30:02.880 and you know it's going to be a disaster that's basically uh what caused me to leave you're streaming

00:30:09.440 the best of glenn beck to hear more of this interview and others download the full show podcasts

00:30:14.380 wherever you get podcasts all right so yesterday uh for easter by the way happy easter stew happy

00:30:23.200 easter go on day after a day after easter yes 364 days till the next one thank you very much wow

00:30:30.760 how do you do that are you a mathematician uh jd vance uh jd vance was with the pope uh on easter

00:30:39.520 and then the pope dies that's all i'm gonna say i'm just gonna leave it there i'm just

00:30:44.360 gonna you draw your own conclusions america um no he had a good conversation apparently with the pope

00:30:49.960 uh and uh the pope died he was um very very sick in the hospital he had pneumonia so we're we're back

00:30:57.560 to the we're back to the voting for a new pope now if i may let me just tell you a story that i don't

00:31:05.980 think most in the media even understand and if they do they certainly won't touch it um but i was

00:31:12.920 there uh back in 2013 i think rob what did we decide it was 12 or 13 something like that uh i was

00:31:21.920 i was at the vatican i was supposed to meet with uh the pope i met instead with a bunch of the high

00:31:28.440 advisors for the pope uh and it was pope benedict at the time and i just want to talk to you about

00:31:36.240 what i learned there uh and what we need to understand uh on this last pope because there

00:31:44.460 was a quiet coup inside of the walls of the vatican uh the first public victim of the deep state

00:31:52.140 was not a president of the united states uh it was the pope wasn't a priest wasn't a whistleblower

00:31:58.860 it was pope benedict benedict wasn't just a conservative although he was a staunch conservative

00:32:05.500 he was absolutely immovable he was elected in 2005 he stood for everything the modern world wanted the

00:32:12.540 church to abandon he was moral uh he had moral clarity he was a traditionalist and a spiritual authority

00:32:20.420 and my first my first realization that uh pope francis was going to be none of these things

00:32:28.320 is when the media was talking you know they kept doing the white smoke and the black smoke

00:32:33.400 and they finally had i don't remember what it is the white or the black smoke and it came out and

00:32:38.760 they knew they had a pope and so they were waiting and they were speculating everybody on cnn and abc

00:32:43.800 they were all speculating who could it possibly be and they started to speculate and they would say

00:32:49.820 it's probably this cardinal oh he's a real hardliner he's going to be really bad blah blah blah blah

00:32:54.360 then they finally came up to this pope i don't remember what his his real name is but uh you know

00:33:00.760 they they mentioned him and they said well we don't know much about him and within 10 minutes

00:33:06.520 everybody on every network started talking about how great he was going to be he was practically

00:33:13.540 jesus and then when he when he was named francis oh see he is jesus or saint francis take your pick

00:33:21.960 and i remember looking at you stew and saying oh boy we're in trouble they like him this guy's going

00:33:29.100 to be a nightmare so you had you had uh benedict who would not compromise on life no surrender on

00:33:38.160 marriage no applause for you know the modern world uh and the globalist hated him the media called him

00:33:46.160 rigid progressive called him dangerous uh and the machine went to work behind closed doors because

00:33:51.780 that machine is in every government and make no mistake the vatican is a government scandal after

00:33:59.640 scandal uh corruption abuse all real problems yes but they were used to discredit this pope

00:34:07.700 uh and to stabilize his papacy and he refused to bend and then suddenly in 2013 he resigns now

00:34:16.800 i remember when this happened gang let's let's let's put this into what we now know okay we now know who

00:34:26.220 replaced him we now have seen the deep state in governments all across the world okay we have seen

00:34:33.620 people being voted for and the deep state didn't like him and so they say nope not him we've seen them

00:34:40.620 throw people into jail okay so by 2013 he resigns and he's the first pope in 600 years to resign and it's

00:34:51.060 because he was too frail he was too frail he was too tired biden wasn't but benedict was okay and yet

00:35:00.420 he lived for nearly 10 years he lived he wrote he was speaking he was warning he stayed in the vatican

00:35:11.040 inside the walls he stayed in the vatican he wore white white he he signed his name pope emeritus

00:35:17.160 that's not retirement that's him not really resigning that's resistance that's what that was

00:35:24.760 and into that vote void came pope francis okay immediately everything about the church changed

00:35:31.960 there was global applause oh my gosh climate change sermons remember those though they were great

00:35:38.080 doctrinal uh ambiguity to where the point where catholics were like wait a minute it what is he saying

00:35:45.060 here suddenly the church is less about salvation more about sustainability and collective salvation

00:35:52.260 less moral compass more moral relativism and it seemed as though the fix was in

00:35:58.500 now even members of some press overseas were saying uh this was a coup

00:36:07.460 apparently uh benedict left a box it's called a white box full of scandal files and it was not a gift to pope francis

00:36:19.320 it was a warning he knew he saw it coming so it wasn't a resignation it was a removal from office a soft coup by the progressive

00:36:31.740 faction inside the church who was who was eager to align uh rome with davos and make no mistake davos was there

00:36:39.740 the u.n was there you know all the global priorities of the u.n and davos were there that have nothing to do with god

00:36:48.860 but now the church was aligned with all of it i remember uh going uh as i said we were supposed to meet with the pope

00:36:58.780 and i went and i met with several cardinals i think the good cardinals and i saw stuff that i had never seen

00:37:05.820 before um uh it was it was amazing i saw the church as political

00:37:10.920 and as spiritual at the same time uh i'm a former catholic so i respect the catholic church

00:37:18.560 i also you know i'm no dummy uh it is a political organization i think most churches can you know go that

00:37:27.120 direction uh but especially one that's you know what 2 000 years old 1900 years old i think it could

00:37:34.780 probably go awry from time to time uh and go political because that's what it that's what it

00:37:41.360 was for a very long time and i remember seeing the guy who i think was in charge is jason out there

00:37:48.520 see if jason can come in for a second there was a guy that jason was with me can you rob can you open

00:37:55.280 up one of those mics do you know um jason remember when we were at the vatican you were in the room

00:38:04.020 remember that big map room it was like we were in the godfather yeah okay i don't remember what that

00:38:09.480 place was but it was you know like near the vatican right around the vatican and it was a place where

00:38:15.640 they went and they held you know uh dignitaries and held functions there and it was amazing it was

00:38:23.060 like a three-story room that we were in and they were the biggest maps of the world i've ever seen

00:38:30.660 and all of the i mean it was incredible and it had to be 400 years old would you agree with that oh yeah

00:38:36.000 okay so it's just steeped in quite honestly dan brown kind of totally dan right totally that and i had

00:38:44.020 just gotten out of the archives the night but the day before and i don't even know how i got this

00:38:49.140 invitation but i was i was given an invitation and even the guy who consulted the pope uh for

00:38:57.900 doctrinal issues when we were i don't know a quarter of the way into the archives he was with

00:39:04.320 me and i asked him a question and he said don't ask me ask him i've never been allowed in here

00:39:08.420 and uh and the next day when we were getting a tour from the head of the vatican museum

00:39:15.340 he said you'll never guess where they were yesterday and we said you know they were in the

00:39:20.860 the vatican archives and she he's she stopped she was the head of the museum she stopped and she looked

00:39:27.180 at me and she's like tell me about it what was that like so like i don't know how we got in there but we

00:39:33.120 we were asked to go in so we're experiencing all of this stuff and that night we were with i don't

00:39:42.420 even remember who they were but they were the most christ-like you know cardinals and preachers or

00:39:47.920 whatever they were um that i had had been with the whole time they were so kind you could just feel

00:39:54.020 the goodness coming off of they were real servants of god um and we were all sitting around talking and

00:40:00.880 you could tell everybody's guard in that group everybody's guard was up and all of a sudden and i'm

00:40:06.920 not kidding you the room dropped 10 degrees and uh i happened to be facing looking at the door way

00:40:14.040 across this huge room and here comes this guy i don't know if he was a cardinal he was wasn't he in

00:40:20.680 charge of all of the the pope's schedule or something like that yeah okay so he was he was the main guy

00:40:27.900 that you know you had to get by if you were going to get to the pope and the room dropped it became

00:40:34.240 cold and i said holy cow who is that guy and the whole the whole group of really nice guys turned

00:40:43.100 around and looked at him and one of them turned back and went oh you can feel that and i said oh

00:40:49.040 yeah just feel no offense i didn't know if they liked him or not i said no offense but

00:40:54.460 he doesn't seem like a good guy and he was way across the room and they were like oh good sense on

00:41:01.580 you oh no he's leading the opposition so he's the guy i think that was helping thwart benedict

00:41:12.100 and he was on in the inside okay it's exactly the trump story would you agree yeah it felt like it

00:41:20.300 it felt almost like a game of thrones yes in the vatican didn't it that's like the best and i it was

00:41:25.680 this is the weirdest weirdest feeling yeah and it's exactly what we saw in 2016 i had never seen

00:41:32.440 that before but it's exactly what we saw in 2016 it's what we're now seeing in the eu where the

00:41:38.720 people with power are just taking people out the pattern here is really familiar because we've seen

00:41:45.960 it in washington we've seen it in hollywood we've seen it in the media it's the replacement of the

00:41:51.600 immovable with those who are more malleable the strong replaced by the inclusive the faithful with

00:42:01.060 the fashionable that's what happened and this deep state doesn't just run in governments it runs in

00:42:07.700 everything it runs in institutions and when those institutions start to resist the world's direction

00:42:13.780 they're infiltrated they're neutralized and they're repurposed and it is in everything

00:42:20.380 it happened at the vatican i saw it and pope benedict was the warning shot that we all missed

00:42:30.740 he was the first donald trump i believe now what happens next are we going to get somebody you know

00:42:39.820 as the church is starting to grow again the catholic church is starting to grow and it's growing

00:42:44.460 with generation z who are saying we want our traditions back we want marriage we want truth we want eternal

00:42:54.940 truth as it's laid out in the gospels of jesus christ as it's growing will the church grow in that direction

00:43:05.900 or has francis put such a cabal in there that you might get somebody who says that but is do is it

00:43:16.040 going to be yeah we just elected a new guy and he's doing exactly what the last guy did just the way it

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