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00:02:31.160 I saw J.K. Rowling say something the other day. She gave a couple of definitions and I wanted to

00:02:35.920 add to it. She said, if you believe that free speech is for you, but not your political opponents,

00:02:40.980 you're a liberal. If no contrary evidence you could could change your belief, you're a fundamentalist.

00:02:51.880 If you believe the state should punish those with contrary views, you are a totalitarian. 0.95

00:03:00.880 If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you are a terrorist.

00:03:07.600 I think those are pretty clear definitions that we should all kind of hang our hat on.

00:03:15.780 If you can't agree with those things, if free speech is for you, but not others who disagree,

00:03:21.880 you don't believe in liberal principles. And I mean that.

00:03:25.460 Yeah, that's the thing. The only thing I would say when you say clarity, illiberal is a term

00:03:29.580 in academic circles, people are very familiar with. But I think the average person, it says.

00:03:35.920 You're not truly for freedom. If nothing will change your mind, nothing will change your mind,

00:03:44.480 then you are a fundamentalist. Period. So clear. State should punish those with contrary views.

00:03:50.680 That's totalitarianism. Political opponents should be punished with violence or death. 0.99

00:03:56.600 That's a terrorist. Those are easy. However, if you believe every man, no matter their color, 1.00

00:04:03.560 their station, their creed, their religion, they have the same right as every other man and woman,

00:04:09.620 and all of the responsibilities that come with those rights, such as standing up to defend others

00:04:14.780 with whom you disagree, you're open to other points of view. You're willing to change your mind

00:04:19.920 if the evidence or truth is shown to you, then I think that makes you an American. 0.71

00:04:25.960 And the best thing about being free and being an American and about life, the way it actually works,

00:04:35.620 is you get to choose. Those are the definitions. You get to choose. Which one are those? Which one are you?

00:04:42.020 Which one? You know, so many people don't think they have a choice, but they do. Every day you have a choice.

00:04:48.660 Every day you can reset. You know your body completely changes. Every cell changes like every seven years.

00:04:54.900 You're a completely new body every seven years.

00:04:59.200 You can change your thinking and change your life so quickly. I have seen it. I've done it myself.

00:05:05.300 I've seen it happen. I've seen what Charlie Kirk chose to do. I saw him when he was young.

00:05:11.400 He chose. He didn't go to college. He wasn't indoctrinating. He chose to study every day.

00:05:17.280 He chose what he wanted to learn and who he wanted to be. And look at how he, because he applied himself

00:05:24.520 relentlessly every day, that's a huge commitment. Look at who he turned into. Why can't you do that?

00:05:31.340 Why can't I do that? The answer is you can. I can. You can. Change or choose your thinking

00:05:41.200 and change your life. What kind of society do you want to live in?

00:05:48.340 Do you want to live in a peaceful, law-abiding, free society?

00:05:53.300 If you do, then you have to choose the thoughts in your own life every day that will create that society. 0.99

00:06:01.240 And by saying, you don't have a right to speak, and I do, if I disagree with you, you should be killed. 0.99

00:06:11.000 You're not creating that. Your thoughts are out of line. And that's really what's happening because 0.98

00:06:16.360 there is, and it's truly, mental illness. It is truly mental illness. 0.91

00:06:21.220 Let me speak to those women who are chugging Tylenol because of science. 1.00

00:06:28.200 You're not doing it because of science. You did it as performance.

00:06:31.260 You did it to mock, to score points.

00:06:34.140 But the point you're making is not the point you think you're making.

00:06:38.280 Because you, most likely, were one of the people that were demanding lockdowns.

00:06:45.360 You insisted that we listen to the studies and we trust the experts,

00:06:51.680 even when the experts didn't know their butt from their elbow.

00:06:56.240 When the experts continued to contradict themselves every week, 0.98

00:07:02.820 you said, no, if you question this, you're killing children and grandparents.

00:07:07.000 And you demanded compliance.

00:07:09.980 But now, the same class of officials, in exactly the same roles,

00:07:17.620 say, perhaps you should use caution with Tylenol in pregnancy.

00:07:21.300 Not a ban, not a mandate. Just, you should use caution.

00:07:25.840 And suddenly, it's like Adolf Hitler is telling you that you can never have a baby.

00:07:33.640 I mean, it is, what?

00:07:37.460 Do you see any contradiction in your actions here?

00:07:40.240 Same roles, just different scientists.

00:07:43.600 Same roles.

00:07:44.420 What we said was, I don't want to listen to those.

00:07:47.380 I see what they're saying, but I disagree with that.

00:07:50.540 Then they come out.

00:07:51.480 These new ones come out.

00:07:52.940 After you say, no, no, no.

00:07:54.420 You shouldn't even be treated, Glenn Beck.

00:07:57.500 If you go into a hospital, you shouldn't even be treated like a human being should be treated.

00:08:04.320 Because you didn't follow the rules, so you're out.

00:08:09.040 I'm saying this is a suggestion from the same people in the same roles,

00:08:14.040 but now you don't like it.

00:08:15.700 And should we treat you in the hospital if you're going in and something's happening with your baby

00:08:20.160 because you took too much Tylenol?

00:08:22.400 Well, of course, of course we should treat you.

00:08:25.500 Of course we should.

00:08:27.940 This isn't principle.

00:08:29.660 When you're gobbling the Tylenol on this, don't you see the contradiction here?

00:08:34.180 It's not principle.

00:08:34.960 It's not science.

00:08:35.820 It's just, for you, it's all about power.

00:08:38.080 When your side rules, then it's okay. 0.90

00:08:41.880 You can tell everybody you can't defy it.

00:08:45.560 But if somebody else rules, you can defy it.

00:08:50.100 That's not integrity. 0.68

00:08:51.180 That's hypocrisy.

00:08:52.580 And hypocrisy erodes so much more than trust.

00:08:56.820 It feeds chaos.

00:08:58.300 And look around you.

00:08:59.580 Look around you.

00:09:00.340 As you're gobbling the Tylenol, look around you.

00:09:03.760 Assassins are coming out from the shadows.

00:09:05.680 Acts of violence that make no sense.

00:09:07.840 No sense.

00:09:08.380 People being pushed out of reason into madness.

00:09:13.320 A society that is truly unraveling at the edges.

00:09:18.480 We've seen this before.

00:09:20.380 We saw this in Rome.

00:09:21.980 Final century.

00:09:22.980 Politics became a blood sport.

00:09:24.580 People were cheering on other humans being eaten by lions.

00:09:29.000 It was a blood sport.

00:09:30.520 The Senate no longer debated things.

00:09:32.980 Not in reason.

00:09:34.480 It was just mobs in the streets.

00:09:36.560 Daggers settled arguments.

00:09:37.800 When words couldn't.

00:09:40.680 That's where we're headed.

00:09:42.660 Weimar Germany.

00:09:43.720 Neighbors turned into enemies.

00:09:46.140 Neighbors did.

00:09:47.640 Hypocrisy turned into absolute fury.

00:09:52.960 And eventually, total collapse.

00:09:57.260 1850s.

00:09:58.020 Same here in America.

00:10:00.140 Rage.

00:10:01.280 People calling each other all kinds of things.

00:10:04.340 And then we had civil war.

00:10:06.500 And you're still fighting the same civil war.

00:10:08.320 Was it about states' rights or was it about slavery?

00:10:10.880 Come on, man.

00:10:11.420 It's not that hard.

00:10:12.420 It's not that hard.

00:10:16.300 Let me ask you.

00:10:18.220 For those who are chugging the Tylenol, how far away are you from that breaking point?

00:10:22.680 Because you seem very close.

00:10:23.920 From mockery to madness is not a long road.

00:10:29.560 It's not.

00:10:30.800 How much hate, how much hypocrisy does it take to nudge you into one more step to violence?

00:10:38.000 A week, a year, one spark?

00:10:40.720 I don't know.

00:10:42.520 You may not think that you would do that.

00:10:46.540 But did you think you would be gobbling Tylenol to make a political point ever?

00:10:54.940 Would you ever have thought, oh, I'm going to be really proud someday.

00:10:57.700 I'm just going to go on an unhinged rant and just take fistfuls of Tylenol because they said that you should be cautious with it.

00:11:08.160 Where is the logic in that?

00:11:11.340 So don't tell me you can't get there because look where you are.

00:11:13.920 The truth is only humility is going to fix this.

00:11:19.300 And we all have to do it.

00:11:21.840 I was wrong to demand obedience then.

00:11:24.560 I'm wrong to mock caution now.

00:11:28.080 You have to be willing to stand on principle.

00:11:31.660 Freedom requires consistency and honesty.

00:11:34.920 And that's the only thing that will reverse this spiral.

00:11:39.540 Man, are you a pawn in a performance?

00:11:43.920 Are you a woman just trapped in tribal rage? 0.92

00:11:47.200 What is that?

00:11:49.340 Become a citizen.

00:11:50.400 Become a human again.

00:11:51.940 Become somebody who listens, weighs, reasons, chooses.

00:11:55.040 Chooses for yourself.

00:11:56.520 Stop listening to the mass.

00:11:57.920 Stop listening. 1.00

00:11:58.820 If you're listening to me and you're like, you know what, everything he says is right, you're a moron. 1.00

00:12:04.580 Form your own opinions. 1.00

00:12:07.080 Go do your own homework.

00:12:08.760 Study it yourself.

00:12:10.300 These are my opinions.

00:12:11.180 I own these opinions.

00:12:13.920 What are you, what's yours?

00:12:18.240 If we don't start doing that, then history tells us exactly what comes next.

00:12:22.220 And I promise none of us want to live through that.

00:12:26.680 And by the way, I don't know if you've heard, we have Jay Bhattacharya on with us next hour.

00:12:33.560 We're going to talk about this Tylenol thing.

00:12:35.280 Did you hear about the woman who was making the point with Tylenol? 0.69

00:12:37.620 Well, she's now in the hospital, overdose. 0.85

00:12:42.340 We hope she's okay.

00:12:44.220 Maybe we'll have an update next hour.

00:12:46.700 But does that seem reasonable?

00:12:49.460 Check your reason.

00:12:55.240 Choose your thoughts.

00:12:57.960 Choose what you think about.

00:13:00.100 Choose what you read.

00:13:02.400 Understand that everything you choose to put into your head will grow whatever it is you think you want.

00:13:10.800 If it's not in line with what you're thinking, what you're choosing to think about yourself and your country all day, you're never going to create a peaceful, loving, caring, united country where we can all get along if your thoughts are constantly, I've got to stop these people.

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00:14:48.220 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:14:51.800 Now, Lamentations says,

00:14:55.320 Is it nothing to you, all ye that pass by?

00:15:00.860 Let me ask you something, and this is not something I'm just asking yourself.

00:15:04.580 This is something I've been wrestling with.

00:15:06.100 Not just as a broadcaster, but as a citizen, as a dad, a husband, a believer, a man who has spent, really honestly, most of my life now trying to understand the arc of history and the voice of God through all of it.

00:15:23.600 The question I've been asking is a tough one.

00:15:30.880 Is all of this worth saving?

00:15:33.960 This thing we call Western civilization, this project that was born in Judea, refined in Athens, tested in Rome, reawakened in Wittenberg, baptized again on the shores of our own Plymouth Rock.

00:15:51.780 This is a gift that we were all handed.

00:15:57.360 We didn't earn it.

00:15:58.900 We didn't purchase it.

00:16:00.400 We were given it.

00:16:02.300 Do we want it?

00:16:04.100 Do we even want it?

00:16:05.900 Because if we don't want it, what are we doing?

00:16:09.720 Is it worth saving?

00:16:12.180 Because if it's not, again, what are we doing?

00:16:17.660 But if it is, what are we doing?

00:16:21.780 All across Europe, the streets are restless, not just with protests, but with something far more ancient.

00:16:30.400 And it is hatred.

00:16:32.680 The kind of hatred that once fed ovens and marched under banners with swastikas.

00:16:39.000 Until now.

00:16:41.420 Now it just marches under flags that claim peace and chant things about, call for genocide.

00:16:49.500 More violence in the streets.

00:16:53.720 We are fractured.

00:16:54.940 In this country, it's left versus right, flesh against spirit, neighbor against neighbor.

00:17:02.740 Truth doesn't seem to have a home.

00:17:05.260 And even the church, God help us, even the church has been found slumbering or worse, collaborating with it.

00:17:11.640 We're told by everybody in our society that everything has to be reset.

00:17:18.240 Everything you learned in history was a mistake.

00:17:20.280 It's not true.

00:17:22.020 Tradition.

00:17:22.940 Marriage.

00:17:23.540 All of it.

00:17:24.140 Spondage.

00:17:25.020 Slavery.

00:17:26.160 Gender.

00:17:26.660 It's fiction.

00:17:27.960 Faith.

00:17:28.760 That's hate.

00:17:30.060 Truth.

00:17:31.260 Hate.

00:17:31.620 And the only sin left is believing in the absolute truth.

00:17:38.200 And then when you take a breath, you look at the paper and you see that AI is rising and borders are falling.

00:17:44.860 You look inside your home and our children are confused and they're medicated and addicted and fatherless and suicidal.

00:17:52.120 The universities are mocking what little is left of Western virtue.

00:17:56.980 Our national debt can't be repaid.

00:17:59.120 Our Congress is just screwing around more and more every day, it seems.

00:18:03.020 Our elections no longer feel sacred.

00:18:05.860 Our media doesn't inform.

00:18:07.560 It just programs.

00:18:09.480 Our schools don't educate anymore.

00:18:12.260 They recondition.

00:18:13.660 They retrain.

00:18:15.000 They indoctrinate.

00:18:16.340 So I ask you again, is any of this worth saving?

00:18:29.120 I ask you in all humility, in the spirit of a prophet standing before the ruins, holding the ashes of his people in his hands.

00:18:39.180 That is the only question we need to answer.

00:18:47.440 Is it worth it?

00:18:51.220 Because if it's not, let's stop.

00:18:55.140 But if it is, can we get to work?

00:18:58.860 I mean, honestly, get to work.

00:19:00.420 If it's worth saving, then we have to know why.

00:19:04.840 Why is it worth saving?

00:19:06.460 And if it's not, then may God forgive us for what we're about to allow.

00:19:12.760 So before we do anything in the news, can we just start with this?

00:19:17.320 Let's start with what is the West?

00:19:20.420 What is it?

00:19:22.780 You want to save Western civilization?

00:19:24.700 What is it?

00:19:25.860 Is it a location?

00:19:27.280 No.

00:19:28.240 Is it a race?

00:19:28.940 God forbid.

00:19:31.000 A flag?

00:19:31.680 A constitution?

00:19:33.240 No.

00:19:35.380 The West is an idea.

00:19:39.960 The West was an idea to escape all of the old oppressive ideas.

00:19:45.060 It's the idea that man himself is made in the image of God and that liberty does not come from kings or government, but it is a responsibility from heaven.

00:19:57.440 That truth exists, that evil exists, that evil exists, and courage is required every day.

00:20:06.680 Education, self-education, not self-medication.

00:20:11.720 Self-education is required from each of us every day.

00:20:16.500 It's the idea that a man can speak his mind and not be silenced by a mob or a monarch, that a child can dream and not be forced into slavery, whether that's the slavery of the body or slavery of the mind.

00:20:31.600 The West is an idea that reason and revelation walk hand in hand, they're not at war, that beauty matters, that kindness matters, that empathy matters, that beauty matters, that sacrifice is holy, that justice is blind, and mercy is always near.

00:20:55.800 However, that's what we inherited, and that's what we squandered.

00:21:08.160 We allowed comfort to replace conviction.

00:21:12.340 We allowed entertainment to replace education, pleasure to replace purpose.

00:21:17.980 We handed screens to our children instead of our scriptures.

00:21:23.120 We forgot our story.

00:21:25.460 We forgot who we were.

00:21:27.900 We don't think it's worth fighting for because we don't know who we are anymore.

00:21:34.760 And boy, our enemies are only too happy to write an ending for us.

00:21:38.020 If not now, when?

00:21:48.500 When?

00:21:49.400 When will it be time to get serious?

00:21:51.840 If it's not now, when will it become time for you to say, I'm committed?

00:21:58.440 And if not you, who?

00:22:03.420 Is this worth saving?

00:22:08.020 Is this worth dying for?

00:22:13.340 Oh, yes.

00:22:15.420 Yes, it is, and so much more.

00:22:17.300 It's worth living for, truly living.

00:22:21.880 It's worth saving.

00:22:25.340 And this civilization, no matter how rocky it is, whatever its sins may be, was built on the blood of martyrs and prophets and poets and pilgrims and moms and dads and soldiers.

00:22:37.240 They died for it.

00:22:39.140 They didn't die for the stock market.

00:22:41.300 They didn't die for pronouns.

00:22:44.060 Not for surveillance.

00:22:45.920 Not for centralized digital currency, surely.

00:22:49.040 They died for something higher, something bigger.

00:22:55.360 I don't believe that's lost.

00:22:57.160 Not yet.

00:22:57.700 Because I believe resurrection is real.

00:23:02.880 And not just in the tomb outside of Jerusalem, but in the bones of any group of people that return to truth.

00:23:13.700 Any group of people, any individual that returns to God, returns to honor, returns to truth, no matter how unfashionable, no matter the cost, returns to truth with humility, asking for forgiveness from their God, from their fellow human beings.

00:23:37.780 It's not too late for any group of people that return to family, to community, to accountability, to self-accountability and responsibility.

00:23:53.420 It's not too late because I have to tell you, I really strangely mean this.

00:24:03.980 What an honor it is to live at this time.

00:24:09.800 And after Charlie's death, I feel that way even more.

00:24:15.880 We are living in historic times.

00:24:18.500 What we do now will affect the lives of generations of people all over the world.

00:24:24.360 What's happening in Europe right now, it's going to be up to us.

00:24:30.460 What's happening in South Korea, I urge you to follow what we're finding now in South Korea.

00:24:39.980 It's happening everywhere.

00:24:43.600 And it will come down to us.

00:24:46.720 But we were selected at this time to live at this time.

00:24:51.100 We were made for a time such as this.

00:24:54.880 Maybe the reason you care

00:24:56.620 is because somewhere inside of you, you know that.

00:25:04.340 Because somewhere inside of you, you know you were called to help carry this fire.

00:25:09.360 We're not called to win.

00:25:12.340 All we're called to do is to stand.

00:25:15.660 Is it worth standing?

00:25:18.820 Is it worth saving?

00:25:21.100 It's still true. 0.77

00:25:32.000 The light shines in the darkness.

00:25:34.780 And the darkness has not overcome it.

00:25:39.340 Pick up your torch.

00:25:42.000 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:25:45.360 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:25:53.020 It was just, the world has gone insane.

00:25:55.520 And people are now just swallowing handfuls of Tylenol just to, I guess, prove Donald Trump wrong or what.

00:26:04.240 I don't know what it is.

00:26:05.460 It's just, it's a lack of sanity.

00:26:07.500 I think we have one person now in the hospital.

00:26:10.140 She was making one of these videos.

00:26:12.080 She was pregnant.

00:26:12.960 She swallowed a handful.

00:26:14.420 And now she's on a ventilator. 0.80

00:26:20.660 Tylenol, we all know this.

00:26:22.580 It's good for you to some degree, too much.

00:26:26.140 And it's really, really bad for you, you know?

00:26:29.260 And I don't understand.

00:26:30.860 I do not believe that the NIH director was ever saying, you know, it's bad.

00:26:39.360 It's evil.

00:26:39.980 You can't ever take it.

00:26:40.920 No, it was a recommendation.

00:26:42.320 And we can find out now because Dr. J. Bhattacharya is with us now.

00:26:48.120 Doctor, how are you, sir?

00:26:50.160 I'm good, Glenn.

00:26:51.140 So good to be on the show with you.

00:26:52.560 Really honored by the invitation.

00:26:54.400 Oh, you're doing a fabulous job.

00:26:56.600 You really are.

00:26:57.240 And I can't thank you enough.

00:26:58.700 Can you please sort through this madness on Tylenol?

00:27:03.680 First of all, what you started with, it's absolutely heartbreaking.

00:27:08.360 If you're listening, don't overdose.

00:27:11.240 Don't take too much Tylenol.

00:27:12.520 I mean, it's well known to cause liver toxicities if you overdose.

00:27:15.600 You know, if you're not pregnant and you have a headache or you have a fever, it's fine.

00:27:21.940 Just take it at the right dose.

00:27:23.320 Don't overdo it. 0.77

00:27:24.760 And certainly don't overdo it to make some ridiculous political point.

00:27:28.180 It's just heartbreaking to hear that story of someone whose liver failed because of some crazy politics.

00:27:35.780 The key thing that we found that led to the announcement is that there's been a whole sort of range of research in recent years

00:27:43.240 that establishes that there's this association between taking Tylenol late in pregnancy

00:27:49.660 and subsequent neurodevelopmental conditions like autism, like ADHD.

00:27:55.640 There's a big fight in the literature over how strong that association is.

00:27:59.660 So some people think it's really strong and other people think it's less strong.

00:28:03.740 In my review of the literature, I thought that there's enough there to tell people, especially pregnant women, to be careful with it.

00:28:14.460 If you have a high fever and there's no other way to manage it, then, yeah, you should, with the advice of your doctor,

00:28:19.460 take some so that you can manage the fever, which itself is also bad for kids and for moms.

00:28:25.020 But if it's less harmful than that, if it's less serious than that, then, you know, avoid taking it because it's just good medicine.

00:28:35.140 I believe I have an obligation when I see something in the scientific literature that people should know about

00:28:40.940 to help them make decisions in their own lives that I should be able to tell people with the caveat that's exactly what I've said.

00:28:47.220 And that's exactly what we were doing in the last few days is to tell people, look, there is this literature.

00:28:52.720 Most people I've talked with don't know about it.

00:28:54.980 They don't realize that there is this.

00:28:57.040 I'm looking at a Reuters story from 2013.

00:29:00.240 Too much Tylenol in pregnancy could affect development.

00:29:03.900 Too much frequent use towards the end of pregnancy may be linked to poor language skills and behavior problems among children, according to a new study.

00:29:11.860 I mean, this is not this has not been a secret.

00:29:14.840 And I don't understand why all of a sudden this is insane.

00:29:18.920 Because did you ever, ever intend on saying you cannot take it, we're banning it?

00:29:25.860 Or were you just saying, hey, you should be careful of this?

00:29:28.920 There are studies that show this.

00:29:30.860 You should just be aware.

00:29:33.380 Yeah, I mean, it's certainly the latter, Glenn.

00:29:35.240 We were aiming to tell moms, you know, pregnant moms who were that there is this evidence.

00:29:42.620 And so just be careful.

00:29:43.780 Talk to your doctor before you take it.

00:29:45.460 Even the Tylenol label says to be careful in pregnancy because there aren't great, you know, like toxicology studies were done in pregnant women before Tylenol was approved for the population at large.

00:29:57.920 It's an over-the-counter drug.

00:29:59.640 It has its uses.

00:30:00.700 But, you know, be aware of when it's appropriate to use it and when it's not and be judicious.

00:30:06.720 That was what we were saying.

00:30:07.980 You know, and, you know, I think the key thing here is it's something called Trump derangement syndrome, right?

00:30:13.420 So you had President Trump.

00:30:15.560 I remember during, in 2020, President Trump said we should open schools.

00:30:19.000 Remember that?

00:30:20.000 And then all of a sudden all these groups that were before he said that in favor of opening schools somehow all of a sudden changed their mind in contradiction to what the scientific evidence was saying and said we should close schools.

00:30:31.160 There's something very odd about how some people react to what President Trump said is a more charismatic version of what I just said.

00:30:40.200 Like he said, don't take it unless you need to take it, unless you really need it.

00:30:45.980 That's the sum and substance to what he said.

00:30:48.080 And that's actually wise advice.

00:30:50.220 If you're pregnant women, think carefully about whether you should take it given this evidence. 0.98

00:30:54.760 I mean, I don't want five years from now, after the scientific debate's been resolved and maybe it turns out that it is actually directly linked to autism, that for years of people taking it, thinking that we don't know, when you could just say now, do prudent medicine.

00:31:09.520 Take it only if you really need it.

00:31:10.740 I just don't understand how this is twisted into something fascistic.

00:31:15.500 There's a post from 2017 from Tylenol that's going viral right now.

00:31:19.600 It says, we actually don't recommend using any of our products while pregnant.

00:31:23.800 Thank you for taking the time to voice your concerns today.

00:31:26.680 A representative from the parent company said the statement was incomplete.

00:31:30.240 But what was that about?

00:31:32.780 Do you know?

00:31:34.220 How long have we known about any potential problems?

00:31:38.640 Well, OK, so there's the issue here is that the company, the FDA, regulates what it can and can't say.

00:31:46.900 Right.

00:31:47.080 So it's not a lot for pregnant women.

00:31:48.740 It's not a lot to say that you can take it if you're pregnant because they have never tested it on women formally in a way that satisfies the FDA.

00:31:57.660 It's very difficult to do these kind of studies on pregnant women.

00:32:00.620 You can just imagine, do I recruit a whole bunch of women who are expecting and then say, well, I'm going to randomize you and give some of you Tylenol and some of you placebo and we'll see what happens. 1.00

00:32:13.180 I mean, that kind of study would be pretty hard to organize and kind of unethical almost.

00:32:18.520 And so they don't have any evidence on this.

00:32:20.100 And so they they're supposed to say, as they did in 2017, that, you know, we can't recommend pregnant women take it because they don't have they don't have evidence to document its safety to the satisfaction of the FDA.

00:32:33.540 Now, the game played then is like doctors can tell you whatever they want.

00:32:38.260 They're not limited by the FDA, which is appropriate.

00:32:41.200 Right. Doctors ought to be able to assess.

00:32:42.760 Yes.

00:32:43.060 Your individual situation and make recommendations.

00:32:46.880 And so, again, that is essentially what we were saying to the public.

00:32:51.780 If you if you really need to talk to your doctor and then decide, knowing now what the literature says, this is the president's announcement essentially was a form of informed consent for the whole public.

00:33:02.700 There's this literature.

00:33:03.500 It's it's worth thinking about, even if all the uncertainty is not resolved.

00:33:07.880 And then be careful.

00:33:08.960 Think about it.

00:33:09.520 Think about it when you need it, when you don't need it in consultation with your doctor, especially if you're pregnant.

00:33:14.500 So let me let me because I would imagine that this when this you guys decided to bring this out, it was like a Monday blip.

00:33:23.340 It was just like, yeah, let's go ahead and release this.

00:33:25.420 And then it's turned into some nightmare.

00:33:27.880 And you have other initiatives on how you're going to tackle the autism, the autism epidemic.

00:33:35.940 What are you going to what?

00:33:37.640 I mean, this was Tylenol.

00:33:40.020 What are you expecting?

00:33:41.460 And and what's coming?

00:33:45.200 Glenn, it's so it's so weird.

00:33:46.880 I mean, I'm new to new to the D.C., so I guess maybe I'm still learning.

00:33:50.700 But like I I thought the big news from this was that we were going to we are we are the NIH has just launched this massive autism data science initiative where we've gotten a dozen research teams examining the question of 13, actually.

00:34:05.160 But research teams examining the question of what is the cause of autism and why has it risen so high in prevalence over the coming years?

00:34:13.460 These are mysteries to medical science.

00:34:15.700 I don't know the full answer.

00:34:17.280 It's going to be complicated, whatever it is.

00:34:18.880 But we're finally starting to ask the questions in a way that's going to likely produce answers.

00:34:23.540 I thought that was going to be the big news out of this.

00:34:25.880 There's also a big, big announcement about this new treatment, this treatment that a lot of doctors have found effective for some, not all, but some kids who are profoundly autistic.

00:34:35.180 In some cases, I've seen case reports where it's restored speech.

00:34:41.620 You know, it's a drug called Leucovorin that's been used for 40 years.

00:34:46.620 It's basically like it helps bring folate of a vitamin into your brain.

00:34:50.820 And the theory is that there's like folate deficiencies in some autistic kids in brain early in development, in cognitive development.

00:34:57.280 It's really exciting.

00:34:58.320 We're telling people about this.

00:34:59.520 The FDA is going to make an indication change.

00:35:01.260 So it's more widely available CMS is going to make this so that Medicaid, you can get it if you have Medicaid or, or, or other, other, other kinds of insurance.

00:35:08.720 It could help a lot of families.

00:35:10.600 I thought those were going to be the big pieces of news.

00:35:12.420 And so we got this craziest of our autism of, you know, Tylenol.

00:35:16.000 Is this, do you think this was coordinated or was just, just a bunch of mad people?

00:35:24.880 I, I, I, I don't know, but I, but I, it's, it's, it strikes me, it strikes me that so many of the people that are,

00:35:31.260 sort of chiming in from the medical on the medical side in, in panic over this are the same people who pushed lockdowns and mask mandates and,

00:35:39.500 and like, you know, toddler masking and school closures and vaccine mandates and all the rest.

00:35:45.480 I, I, I mean, and, you know, many of them have been Ukraine war experts and Gaza war experts and who knows what else.

00:35:53.780 So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's striking that we have such a great expert class in this country.

00:35:57.940 I keep coming back to, this is what I want the FDA to do.

00:36:02.740 If, if, you know, National Institute of Health and the FDA, what I want them to do is make recommendations,

00:36:09.040 follow the research and then say, Hey, we recommend this.

00:36:11.980 We don't recommend this.

00:36:12.840 You should know this.

00:36:13.820 They should have to tell you that.

00:36:15.320 I don't want them making decisions for me.

00:36:18.200 I want my doctor to make the decisions.

00:36:21.180 And this was the, this was the least autocratic thing I've seen in probably 20 years.

00:36:28.200 And it was like Hitler himself made this declaration.

00:36:34.200 I mean, yeah, I don't, I just, it's, it's mind boggling.

00:36:38.260 These, I mean, many of the same quote experts that are like taking this in a hyperbolic way.

00:36:45.340 We're absolutely fine when people were getting fired over the vaccine mandates.

00:36:50.040 I don't, I just don't, it's, it's, it's, and there was no good science behind the recommendations about the vaccine mandates.

00:36:56.080 The vaccine didn't stop you.

00:36:57.340 COVID vaccine didn't stop you from getting or spreading COVID.

00:36:59.980 So why the mandates?

00:37:01.040 Like why, why it's, I think people need to just stop and take a breath and say, look, what is actually the evidence?

00:37:09.340 I mean, I, I hope I conveyed it in a nuanced way.

00:37:11.720 I'm not, I'm not saying to you that I know for certain that this is, that this is a cause.

00:37:17.140 There's a scientific debate going on, but I think that there's enough evidence in the scientific literature to warrant telling people, when you take it, here, you should know about this.

00:37:25.400 Why should we hide that from people?

00:37:27.640 It seems to be a very balanced approach.

00:37:30.020 I'm talking to Jay Bhattacharya.

00:37:32.360 Doctor, can you speak a little bit about the Swedish study that a lot of people have brought up?

00:37:37.320 It's about 2.5 million kids.

00:37:39.460 It said 1.33% chance of having autism without acetaminophen, 1.53% chance if you did have it during pregnancy.

00:37:48.140 They did say that the effect disappeared when controlling for siblings.

00:37:52.820 Is this, is this just part of the tapestry of all the research you looked at?

00:37:57.340 How do you view this data?

00:37:59.200 Yeah.

00:37:59.360 So, yeah, in fact, we mentioned it.

00:38:00.760 I wrote an op-ed with Marty McCary and Mehmet Oz where we referenced this specific study because this is the, this is a part of the literature that's, that's more skeptical about the link, right?

00:38:11.120 That's a big Swedish study.

00:38:12.240 And as you said, Glenn, that if you just do a straightforward analysis of the 2.5 million moms, you find a, you find an increase in autism in the, the, the, the moms that were exposed to Tylenol.

00:38:24.660 Now, the study wasn't good at measuring Tylenol use.

00:38:26.780 I think only about 7% of the moms reported having, using Tylenol in the, in the, in the treatment arm.

00:38:33.480 7% of the moms reported using Tylenol.

00:38:35.960 We know for a fact that that's underestimated.

00:38:37.720 They were looking at like, you know, electronic health records and other things.

00:38:41.060 They didn't really get the over-the-counter use.

00:38:44.440 So it's, it does have some methodological issues, but the big thing with a sibling, sibling studies are really interesting because you, you think to yourself, if I compare, you, you have a mom during birth number one, she used Tylenol.

00:38:56.520 During birth number two, she didn't use Tylenol.

00:38:58.340 And what if during birth number one, the, the, the, the baby turns out to be, have autism and birth number two didn't use Tylenol.

00:39:05.260 It doesn't, that seems like strong evidence, right?

00:39:07.500 Cause you have, you've adjusted for the same common family environment, the same similar genes.

00:39:13.460 Cause it's two, two siblings, right?

00:39:15.320 It's a very attractive design, but it has problems, right?

00:39:18.400 So first of all, in order, you can't, you don't have two and a half million moms that have siblings like this.

00:39:24.500 What you have is a much smaller sample of what I would call it, what's called discordant, um, siblings.

00:39:29.520 So you have, uh, siblings, one who received Tylenol during the birth and one who didn't, right?

00:39:35.760 That's a much smaller sample than the two and a half million.

00:39:37.780 You're not actually looking at two and a half million.

00:39:39.100 You're looking at as much as if you have a smaller sample, it's harder to pick up any effect, right?

00:39:43.600 You're not going to be, you've got to find a specific effect, uh, just statistically.

00:39:47.740 Second, the group of moms who want, use it in one pregnancy, doesn't use it in another are very different from the moms used in both pregnancies or use it in one, in, in, in, don't use it in either pregnancy or who use it or, you know, only have one, one kid.

00:40:02.200 Um, very, very different from, from each other.

00:40:04.940 I don't know that the results that you find among the, cause discordant, uh, uh, uh, siblings translates over to the other groups.

00:40:14.180 Um, then third, this is probably most important.

00:40:16.720 If you adjust a way for the genetic differences and family, family sort of shared family environment differences, you might be adjusting a way for the mechanism by which Tylenol actually causes autism, right?

00:40:30.760 It's, it's, it's, uh, you, what you're doing, you're saying, oh, I'm, I'm, I'm narrowing.

00:40:34.940 It's bringing it to like only a narrow set of differences between the siblings.

00:40:38.840 Obviously there's a shared genetic environment and a shared, uh, shared, uh, uh, family environment.

00:40:43.420 But what if that the mechanism by which Tylenol use or latent pregnancy causes autism leads through the thing that you control the way, you'll mask the true effect.

00:40:55.580 Jay, I, I would love to, I'd love to continue to do this.

00:40:58.620 I've got a network break I have to hit.

00:41:00.260 Um, thank you so much for everything you're doing.

00:41:02.540 Thank you for being a part of the program.

00:41:03.920 I appreciate it.

00:41:04.480 And I hope we can talk again.

00:41:06.440 I'd love that.

00:41:07.240 You bet.

00:41:07.980 Dr. J. Bhattacharya, National Institute of Health.

00:41:10.760 Fascinating.

The Glenn Beck Program - September 25, 2025

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