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Glenn and Stu talk about the Sri Lankan church attack that left at least 207 people dead and 450 wounded, and how Christians need to stand up in defense of their own faith. Also, a new president has been elected in Ukraine, and a man who has absolutely no idea what he's doing.
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Hey, welcome to the Monday podcast. A lot going on, especially we start with Sri Lanka, where
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Easter worshipers were killed. Did you know that, Stu? I did not. Did you worship Easter?
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I did. I worshiped the eggs and the bunny. And the bunny. That's what the media was calling
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Christians yesterday. We have a lot to say about that. Also, it's Monday, so time for
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Stu's Game of Thrones recap. Don't worry, not a single spoiler alert, because he's only
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seen two episodes and he's not looking anything up. So it's Stu's recap for those who have
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absolutely no idea who any of the characters are. Also, Ukraine just hired a, well, they
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voted in at 71 or 73 percent, a comedian to be their new leader and president. It's amazing
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because no one knows any of his policies. He's not given them and his interviews he doesn't
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give unless he matches two different reporters and they have to jump a hurdle to be able to
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interview him. We'll tell you about that hurdle and it is phenomenal. And I think it's kind
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of scary because it's where we are ourselves. Also, Evan Todd, a Columbine survivor, talks
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about what it was like on that day. 20th anniversary was on Saturday. Talked about what happened.
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He was the first kid shot. He was one that had a gun to the temple of his head and he talked
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them out of it. And what is his view on guns in school today? That's all on today's podcast.
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The helicopters overhead. Just on the other side of the fence of the National Zoo of Sri Lanka.
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Hotel full of tourists from all over the world, just wanting to celebrate Easter. Just before 9am
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yesterday, an explosion shook the air. The church was packed with brightly dressed people on Easter
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Sunday. It wasn't just one church. It was church after church after church. Yesterday, a day of peace.
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A day where if just the Christians would listen to the message of Christ, to love our enemies,
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to forgive, to not have hatred, the world would truly change. A day of peace, a day of hope,
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a day of the resurrection of the man, despite our darkest moments. The day marking his resurrection.
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It became a day of blood and ash and screaming and loss. Nine bombings yesterday. 207 people dead.
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450 wounded. 450 wounded. And they were all chosen specifically for their religious belief.
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Some people did something. All right. We've heard that phrase recently. We know it was a day where some
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people did something. Sri Lanka has been plagued by violence throughout its history, but it's been nearly
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a decade since the end of its civil war. And yesterday had nothing to do with Sri Lankan politics and
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everything to do with religious persecution. Christians specifically targeted.
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There's no doubt, Christians, worshippers of Christ, believers in Christianity. Christians, not Easter
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worshippers. Easter worshippers seem to be the descriptor of the day yesterday. How's that for a
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coordinated response? They weren't Easter worshippers. We don't worship Easter. We worship a risen Lord.
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Christ. The Christ. Christ. That's what makes us Christians, not Easter worshippers.
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Christians face a new persecution, a growing persecution. In fact, it's the worst persecution
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Christ. On Easter, Jesus performed a miracle by rising from the dead.
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But perhaps we're so close to being lost into nothingness that perhaps it will be another miracle
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if Christians even begin to stand up, let alone rise.
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It's time for Christians to recognize what's happening to their faith.
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Will Christians begin to stand up in defense of their own faith?
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You know, I am amazed at how we are viewing this Sri Lankan event yesterday.
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This bombing, this intentional Islamicist targeting of churches.
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I guarantee you that there will be more ink spent on Glenn Beck being a conspiracy theorist
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by saying, you know, I don't think this is, but if it's found out that it's Islamists
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that have set Notre Dame on fire, you probably won't know about it because nobody will want
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to engage in that and what would happen if Islamists actually burn down Notre Dame.
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They spent all last week saying what a conspiracy theory that was.
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ISIS has said Notre Dame is its number one target.
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They didn't burn it down, but they even came out last week and still said they will not
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And then you look at what's happening and you say, is this it or is this not it?
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As it turns out, as I said that day, this is not an Islamic terror operation.
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Now, we spent all that time last week on Notre Dame.
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And the only reason why they spent that time is because that building is iconic.
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It is, you know, as Dennis Prager said in an article this week, it was an omen for Christianity
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I mean, it's burning itself down to the ground.
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Well, in Sri Lanka, it's not burning itself down to the ground.
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People actually have to risk their lives for what they believe in.
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CNN's big angle was, did you notice that Donald Trump said that there were what was it?
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It was clearly a typo that was corrected immediately.
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You know, we spent weeks and weeks and weeks talking about the terrible shooting in New Zealand
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and the targeting of Muslims and targeting of Muslims.
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Because, I mean, look at the hatred that's going on towards Muslims.
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And, of course, that's that was true in that case.
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And very isolated in comparison to what's happening to Christians around the world.
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I mean, it really is widespread around the world with Christians now.
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This is an incident that is, you know, orders of magnitude larger.
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I mean, it's a much bigger, you know, death toll here.
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We're talking about 500 people injured, almost 300 dead in these nine bombings so far.
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And that will, of course, increase, I'm sure, as we go forward.
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How ridiculous would it be for Christians today to say, we've got to take away people's bomb-making ability?
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Yeah, I mean, but it's ridiculous to think that.
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And again, you know, they took away all the guns in, or they're taking away all the guns in New Zealand now.
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They've already passed all these laws to do so.
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So, you know, the New Zealand situation is nowhere close to Sri Lanka.
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Sri Lanka, they got all the stuff that you could possibly want to ban guns, plus much, much, much more than has ever been presented here.
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Well, now, six times as many people are dead, right?
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This is not even a largely funded, it's a relatively unknown Islamic extremist group that is allegedly responsible for this.
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And yet they were able to kill 300 people in a country where not only can you not make bombs legally, but you can't possess firearms.
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So not only there's no Second Amendment right to firearms, which, of course, is only in really two or three countries in the world actually have something similar to the Second Amendment, and they're all worse than ours as far as rights.
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But they don't do that, and they don't give you a license to buy firearms unless you can prove it's absolutely necessary to possess one.
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It's known to be very restrictive, but this is at least from, there's a Quora article about this of someone who lived there and worked in the department.
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I wouldn't base my legal rights on this particular article, but it is a fascinating one.
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So you go and you have to send an application to request a license to possess a firearm.
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Then you submit that, and then you have to give them all sorts of information.
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Once you submit it, they will attach their recommendation or disapproval letter, and that will be sent along to the Ministry of Defense.
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The Ministry of Defense will consider your application and will almost certainly reject it unless you make absolutely strong arguments on why you should be able to bear a firearm.
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If the Ministry of Defense decides to issue a license to bear firearms, they, they will decide which kind of firearm suits your case.
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They will sell to you, they will sell to you, a model of firearm that they decide to sell you.
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Once you get your arms on a firearm, you are not allowed to shoot it unless absolutely necessary.
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You have to report every single bullet shot by you.
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They also permit you to possess only a given number of bullets.
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How do you go to, how do you get proficient in it?
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You can only re-obtain bullets, re-obtain is the word they use, from a licensed ammunition seller who is bound by law only to issue ammunition, ammunition in an amount similar to the amount of cartridges or shells returned to them.
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So you need to bring all your empty casings and shells and bring them in and then say, here, I've got 45 and then you can buy 45.
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So they got a fever dream of like Bernie Sanders times Kamala Harris times Cory Booker as far as gun laws go.
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And then add in a dash of the Green Party and the Socialist Workers Party, like the most restrictive you could ever imagine.
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Six times as many people are dead in these attacks than the ones they were all saying were gun's fault last time.
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And again, because it's Christians instead of Muslims that are the victim here, and they were victims in both cases.
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But the attention will not be paid upon the victims here because it just doesn't.
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Now look, here's the, here's the, they're worshiping Easter?
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And the reason why we, we showed you this last week, um, in Europe itself, there were, and I'm, I'm going to just ballpark these numbers, but it's pretty close.
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There were 1,800, uh, hate crimes that were filed in the EU last year.
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Out of the 1,800, about a hundred of them were against Islamists, okay, or Muslims.
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Christians are under attack all over the world, and no one is talking about it, including our own churches.
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With what's happening in China alone is horrific.
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And I'm sorry to say, but it looks like the Pope is not helping the Christian churches, the Catholic churches in China.
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He is, he is on the wrong side of what's happening with the Catholic churches and the Catholic parishioners in China.
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But Christians are, are being targeted in China.
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They're being targeted in Africa, in Europe, in the Middle East, in Asia, all over the world.
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did you at all, at all, have a feeling or a fleeting thought?
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Where, where is the church, the dynamic church that we had when I was growing up?
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Now, if you're lucky, you live in a place like we do, where the churches are dynamic.
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I mean, it is not like this in the rest of the country.
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If you are, if you are up north, tell me your church is as healthy as it was even five years ago.
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You know, I was sitting in, I was sitting in church waiting for the service yesterday.
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Tell me we're living this, but love your enemies and do good and lend, hoping for nothing again.
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So in other words, are we just doing this, loving our enemies and doing good to our enemies,
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lending them stuff, lending a helping hand and hoping for nothing in return?
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So in other words, we're supposed to do it because he is kind to the unthankful and the evil.
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How many of us were missing someone at the table for Easter because of politics?
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You can feel the power of the series, I think, through this.
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Now, you are not necessarily a fan, but you're not an anti-fan either.
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I mean, I've heard really good things about it.
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And sometimes when you hear the hot series and you don't watch it, you know, you wind up catching up later and really get into it.
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Like, I didn't watch Breaking Bad at the beginning.
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So maybe that's going to be the same thing here.
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Though in Breaking Bad, I didn't try to jump in in the last season.
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I'm not going back and re-watching things intentionally.
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So, Stu is here with your Game of Thrones update.
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I think there's some pretty big things that happened this week.
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So, I don't know what the context of that was or who the two people were, but someone
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You know, it is amazing how animation, you know, like Seinfeld, a 30-minute show.
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You're like, you got 22, now you've got 21, shut up with the, and we sat through it.
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Oh, the Cosby Show one was like, it was like each character for like 40 seconds dancing
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It's crazy when you go back and watch them, and now you see something like Game of Thrones,
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And it's just a bunch of models, like really cheesy looking models of, I guess.
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I only saw the last part because I always hit skip intro.
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Because it kind of has you like swooping through these landscapes of really cheesy models,
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and it reminded me of the old Tales of the Crypt open, except there's no puppet skeleton
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Although I don't, spoiler alert, it could happen.
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So the other thing I wanted to address, this one's annoying me for real, is that the Game
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of Thrones font, that everyone keeps saying, oh, the Game of Thrones font, it's just a
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normal font with three lines vertically through the O's.
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I don't think this is the kind of update people are looking for.
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Again, I will say, if you know these characters, there may be spoiler alerts in here because
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I'm describing things that I don't know which ones are important and which ones to
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So, if you haven't watched the episode and you're a big fan, you can read the update
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The Blondie Queen, she wants the guy in Beard's sister to send troops, which she is not doing.
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And the bearded guy apparently is Angry Elf's brother.
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That the bearded guy might be the brother of the elf.
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And also, the sister of the woman who's not sending troops, who I don't know who that
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And now they're not, but they still don't really like each other all that much.
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Then there's the matronly woman who kind of stands up and she vouches for beard guy.
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And she says she was sexually assaulted and that the beard guy defended her, which makes
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I think she was blondish and she kind of stood up to defend.
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So then there's this Backstreet Boy in the wheelchair character, which I found very interesting.
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And he seems to just kind of stare pensively at people a lot.
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Now, the frumpy girl, she was in the last episode and she likes swords a lot.
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And I got to say, the goatee guy I know is one of the main characters, but I lost him.
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So my last description of goatee guy, I don't remember now who that was.
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You can't tell the difference because they're all...
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So then the frumpy girl, she can throw knives very accurately.
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And she wants some sort of weapon made for her.
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And at the bright red tree is the Backstreet Boy in the wheelchair.
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And it just seems completely implausible that he could wheel himself in this wheelchair through all of this snow and terrain to get to this location.
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It's not like there's a sidewalk with curbs anywhere near.
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No handicapable, you know, access to any part in...
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I really am hoping that in future episodes they have like a flashback to how he got there.
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Him stuck with his wheels in the mud and the snow.
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A lot of upper body strength is what you're saying.
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So they're at this tree and the bearded guy who I learn apparently was the person who
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actually pushed the Backstreet Boy who was not in a wheelchair out of the window.
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And I think that may have caused the wheelchair situation.
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Again, not a spoiler unless you're on season one.
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So Angry Elf and his brother, the beard guy, they seem to think that their sister was trash
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Kind of like Ricky Gervais and Lenny from Laverne and Shirley.
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Remember Lenny and then you know Ricky Gervais.
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Look, we have all sorts of alternative lifestyles that are...
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I think I know who you're talking about, but I'm not.
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But they visit Queen Blondie and they used to not like each other, but now they do, which
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is the relationship dynamic of every person on the show.
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I was just going to say, you're not helping me out with that.
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Every conversation is the same conversation, which is, hey, I know you used to try to kill
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We had social media that we now have to navigate, but they were just trying to kill each other
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and you never knew, like, are you my friend now or is this a plot to kill me?
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Can you imagine the tweets going back and forth between Queen Blondie and Beard Guy
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I noticed this was kind of a big revelation for me during this particular episode that
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the blonde queen, her eyebrows are remarkably dark for her hair color.
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She's more of a – she's one that is up in Winterfell saying, now, I mean, I can't
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And this is – if you've only joined now, this may be a spoiler alert, but the blonde
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queen lady, she's in love with John, which I think might be John Snow.
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It was definitely a guy with a beard, but again, that does not narrow it down at all.
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This was the guy that you were trying to place last week.
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That's a big character, I feel like, in this thing.
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I want people to know that they should watch for him to do stuff because I think he's
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going to be one of these active characters in this show.
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There's some conflict between Blondie and a redhead about a throne in the north.
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The redhead is hugging someone, and I don't know who it is because everyone looks the
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A little kid wants to join the war and eat soup.
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Then there's a big moment where the someone is here alarm sounds.
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And he was a big character throughout this episode.
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He has a – there's a beard guy there, another beard guy, and an eye patch guy there.
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Whoever is coming – now, this is something that people might not understand if they're
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only coming into season eight, episode two and didn't see season eight, episode one.
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Well, that's – that was the first line of the series was winter is coming.
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It's been – I mean, the entire – I will –
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I can't tell if you're making an analogy because, like, it has been cold the entire time.
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And the name of the place is also Winterfell, which I learned last episode.
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But somebody – I feel like an army or a monster or an attacker of some sort is coming.
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So the army is unbeatable except for one weak point.
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How do you know that they're coming if I just told you winter is coming, which is an analogy, when they said they're coming before sunup?
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How do you know what the analogy is and what the actual time is?
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They were saying we're not going to live to the next day.
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This was, like, a 1-8 matchup in the NBA playoffs.
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They did, however, have the possibility of knocking out this army because of one weak point.
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They have a Death Star possibility, it seemed like.
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Lob that like he used to when you were gopher hunting back on the other plane.
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Yeah, they could do that, they can wipe all of them out at the same time, which is, again,
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like every army in every series seems to do this.
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That's all you have to do is not do the one weak point thing and you win all the time.
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Well, but you don't necessarily know that one weak point until it's too late.
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I don't know what a White Walker is, but they were very proud of that.
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The brother of the angry elf was sleeping with his sister.
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So the brother of the angry elf was sleeping with his sister, which I think means it's also
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This is, I mean, this is not something you should be watching.
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There was some, there was a bunch of sexual stuff that went on.
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The frumpy girl got naked and she looked a lot less frumpy.
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That they finally, I guess this is the group that's coming.
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And, and they are there and they're in the visual connection to the actual castle.
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And I think, tell me if I'm wrong and spoiler alert, there's a big revelation.
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Beard guy, I think is someone named Sir Jamie of Lannister.
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The show is a little better than that, but a thorough, thorough look at last night's episode
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You want to talk about how America has, you know, we don't, we don't, we don't share things
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Part of that is because of the breakdown of media and in a good way.
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I mean, we're in the golden era of television right now.
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Have you, have you heard or seen a show called, uh, eat killing Eve?
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Again, like, that's, what's amazing about this is there's these every once in a while
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I stumble upon a series that almost was specifically designed for me.
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You know, and it's like, how did I not know about this?
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It did five seasons and it ended in 2012 and you're like, wait, how?
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When I love Lucy was out, uh, it had a 92 share, which meant that about 70% of the American
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So imagine, I remember, I remember this, you know, in the days of MASH and even Seinfeld
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and Friends where you would talk the next day and, uh, up until really TiVo, you would
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Cause I remember going on the air the next day and you'd have that news board, like you'd
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try to talk about it without talking about the shows.
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And this is again, like, you know, 19, late nineties, early two thousands.
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But in the early nineties, you just talked about it.
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You just talked about it in the, in the eighties, you just talked about it.
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Cause it was the only way you were ever going to see it unless you saw the rerun six months
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You're just, everybody, everybody watched it live.
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So now nobody, I mean here, Game of Thrones, uh, had a, uh, 17.4.
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It's an actual number 17.4 million Americans watched it, which is what 5% 5% of the population
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5% of the population roughly 70% of the population was watching.
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I love Lucy 70 and the Game of Thrones is everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere.
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I mean, how many people have never seen a single episode?
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I mean, until two, until the last couple of weeks.
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It's crazy how fragmented, how fragmented we really are.
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Um, and how we are united on the thing that we're most divided about politics.
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We, we are more united on politics, but we disagree with each other than I think anything
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Imagine for a second, the United States economy had collapsed and a coup has occurred and then
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China invades California and they annex the entire Western seaboard.
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Now imagine, you know, in the absence of a George Washington resurrection, we elect
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So we've got Conan O'Brien as president of the United States and we've, we've knowingly
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And during the chaos, uh, O'Brien, you know, breaks out, you know, triumph, the insult comic
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dog and, and goes viral on insulting the post coup government.
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I'm going to run for president, uh, myself cause any clown can do it.
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And then we elect him president of the United States.
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That is exactly what happened in Ukraine this weekend.
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In Ukraine, uh, Voldemort, I can't, it can't be Voldemort.
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If it is, they should worry cause he might turn himself into a giant snake.
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He stood on a stage in his campaign headquarters just after the polls closed the, the theme song
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that was playing, you know, behind him was not like, you know, he didn't have to sue anybody
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for, you know, born in the, born in the USA, Bruce Springsteen says Trump can't use it.
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You don't have to worry about any of that because it was his theme song for his comic late night
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It would be like Johnny Carson, but as your victory song, okay.
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His opponent, the previous Ukrainian president had already conceded defeat before the results
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That's the amount of people that were watching.
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And that people just were like, ah, I mean, he seems to be funny in that scenario.
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Maybe he'll be funny in real life as the president too.
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The Russian-backed separatists have seized nearly all of eastern Ukraine.
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The media rarely even talks about it, but there's been an ongoing war in Ukraine ever since 2014.
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Now, common sense would seem to dictate, you know, maybe somebody who knows what they're doing would be really good.
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Well, I will, I will tell you, this isn't some crazy eastern, you know, phenomena here.
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But they say that's one of the reasons why he won is because everyone knew him and they saw him as successful in their living rooms.
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Now Ukraine has taken this and they've put a comedian in.
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Do you remember when the world had a problem with Ronald Reagan being an actor?
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Because everyone, everyone, not just in America, but in the entire western world, they are sick of the lies.
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They're tired of the broken promises, the general feeling of being ignored, talked down to, pandered to.
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People in this country, Donald Trump was elected because people were tired of being ignored and lied over and over again, lied to about immigration, the economy, jobs.
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I mean, when you, I contend again that the wall is not about Mexico.
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People are so sick of Washington, D.C. and their broken promises that they don't trust anybody to go in and actually fix the broken border system.
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And so they're like, you know what, build a damn wall because the next guy, once you build it, it'll be up.
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And that's exactly why they won't build a wall because you can't reverse the wall.
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Stop playing games with my life and my livelihood.
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The French elected an empty suit and now their streets look like a war zone every Saturday and Sunday.
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Change on a scale we have never seen before is coming.
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Every time you hear somebody say, oh, that guy could never become president.
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A late night comedian just became president of Ukraine.
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Every time you mock somebody like Alexandria Occasional Cortex, remember the comedian from the Ukraine.
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It's what truly scares people like Mitch McConnell, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer.
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And quite honestly, it should terrify all of us just a little bit.
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Do you remember how they put together their new constitution?
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That's the way you're writing a new constitution?
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They worked on that constitution for a very long time.
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They didn't have people just tweet their ideas.
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Here is something crazier than tweet us your ideas.
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And we know 70 years ago, they slaughtered most of our parents and grandparents.
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Hey, we think the guy who can help us is a guy who's at least honest.
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I mean, he's a comedian, but at least he's honest.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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20 years ago, this Saturday, a guy named Evan Todd was a student at Columbine High School.
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He had been and encouraged shotgun wounds in the face, in the neck, and in the back.
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He was able to remain clear enough to convince them not to finish him off.
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This weekend was a really good answer, but, you know, it was really encouraging because
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I saw a lot of old classmates who went to the school and gathered.
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And it was encouraging to see how far people have come in the path and road to recovery.
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So tell me about that day first, about those guys coming in.
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I prefer not to use their names and give them any more glory, but those guys coming in and
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Yeah, the shooting started outside and it was, you know, confusing at first, but as the shots
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And most everyone had made their way under the desk or hiding behind bookshelves.
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And I had, I was behind a pillar trying to decide whether I was going to hide or run.
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And I kept looking around the pillar and that's when one of the, uh, the murderers saw me and
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And that's when I was hit on the lower left side of my back.
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And then, uh, he fired a couple more shots, went over my head and that's when I got the
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And, um, and you talked to them, you spoke to them.
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After they'd come into the library and basically everything that had happened in the library
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happened, they came back around to where I was at.
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And one of them kneeled down and put a gun to my head and he asked, why shouldn't we kill
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Um, and I told him, look, I've been good to you and everyone in this school and you
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And something happened in that moment, his facial expression changed.
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He started to stand up and he turned to the other one and said, you can kill him if you
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They debated back and forth and talked for a minute and then decided to let me go.
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I mean, there's so much to take apart, uh, and unpack there.
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Um, but it was your character that saved your life.
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You know, I, I, I, I know I knew them by, I recognized their face.
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Um, I was a football player and they worked on the rebel news network, which is our, you
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And so I had a feeling that they knew who I was just from the reports and, but something,
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something about that moment hit, struck the court and, uh, and they ended up letting me
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So, um, I believe that they, they did know who I was and I had never done anything to
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Um, you know, I was definitely one of the lucky ones.
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Um, I went to the, uh, local ER close to the school.
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Um, I was out by the end of the day and I was backpacking three months later and playing
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Um, so I was, I was definitely very fortunate and blessed.
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You, you had your chance to live and either stay there and remain safe.
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Uh, but you didn't, you actually went and saved the lives of others.
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When they left the library, um, there was an exit to the outside where, um, a bunch of
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students ran out and, uh, and when we got outside, there were even more students that
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were hiding behind police cars and, and, uh, little outbuildings, sheds and people who
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And I had been trained in first aid through the boy scouts and, you know, some of the
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simple things of getting people into the sun and keeping them warm, pulling wounds, the
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most basic first aid definitely helped, uh, keep, keep students alive.
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And, you know, everyone that made it to a doctor ER survived that day.
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And that's just a testament to our medical system.
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How did you know to put them in the sun and do those things?
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It was, it was definitely from the first aid training, you know, keep, keep someone warm,
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Um, um, yeah, the first aid merit badge was where, where I first got it.
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Um, you were, you were actually awarded the national, um, uh, honor medal.
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There were, um, there were four other scouts at Columbine that day that received awards,
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um, that for helping other students in first aid.
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Uh, and one of the students who actually kept Dave Sanders, um, alive and, um, well for
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several hours after he incurred his, his injuries, um, in the, in the science room, and he received
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So Evan, I, uh, obviously a lot older than you are, and I remember that day and I remember
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thinking, what the hell is happening to our country?
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Um, now with everything that we, we see, uh, in the news, I just read with a Huffington
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And it was a story about how Satanists aren't so bad.
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And I, I'm, I'm like, I, everything is flipped upside down as you, as you look at the world
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And is there anything that you pull from Columbine that gives you extra insight?
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You know, I think, I think some of the, the stuff that led up to Columbine was just the, you
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know, the permissive sense that we had that, you know, things are okay.
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They're going through a phase, you know, who cares if they're, you know, these two, they
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Did you know that before, did you know that before they came in with guns?
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No, I mean, they were, you know, they were, you know, they, they're, they're the way that
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they dressed in some of the patches and things that you knew that they had different views
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on the different things, but, um, you know, I didn't know anything really about them before
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Everything I've learned about them has been from their writings and, um, videos and things
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He's in, uh, after Columbine is the show done by PureFlix TV.
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You can, you can see it at after Columbine.tv for free.
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And I have to say, when I was seeing that the 20th anniversary was coming up of Columbine
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and I saw that it fell on a Saturday, I just said, thank God.
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Like I, God only knows what would have happened if that was during a school day somewhere in
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And I'm wondering, are you surprised by the sort of dark interest that still seems to, to
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find so many people, so many lost souls that are looking for some meaning in, in, in
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I mean, I think there are a lot of people who are searching for meaning and they're finding
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it obviously in the wrong places, uh, and it's misplaced.
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And I think that is a failure that we have in society is not filling that, that void.
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Um, but I think it's also the fact that people are looking for infamy and, and they're looking
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for a way to, and I think it's because we haven't found ways to actually stop these from
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happening, uh, it gives people encouragement that they may be the next, you know, big name.
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And, and I think if we can solve that problem, these will start to, to diminish and go away
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Because there is no difference between fame and infamy anymore.
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Doesn't matter if you, what you did to become famous.
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Uh, Evan, you, you mentioned making sure these things don't happen again.
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Certainly there's a big portion of this country that would bring up the idea that we have
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not done enough to stop, uh, guns and, and the way that, you know, people can get their
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You know, and just to, you know, I mean, back when Columbine happened, I had the same access
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to guns and back more than the two that tried to murder me and my classmates.
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Uh, so access is, it's in the heart, um, you know, and then on the side of protecting our
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schools, it's something that has come a long way.
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There are some fabulous school districts out there who are physically protecting and defending
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It's, you know, when this happens, we need somebody on campus that can physically stop it
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Uh, and so I work with teachers even here in Colorado to, um, get them trained and so
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that they can carry concealed on, on school campus.
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Uh, there's a three part series again, made by pure flicks, uh, and you can find it at
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after Columbine dot TV part one of the series focuses on faith.
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Part two focuses on forgiveness and part three focuses on hope.
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If we, as a nation just did those three things, focus on faith, forgiveness, and hope, we'd