The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Jeff Brown ｜ 12⧸12⧸22

00:00:00.000 So, would you put today's podcast in a positive or a negative call?

00:00:07.980 Yes.

00:00:11.620 It's very positive at the end, if you believe the government.

00:00:17.260 It's very positive.

00:00:19.080 We discovered this weekend, there is a real possibility that we can make energy through fusion.

00:00:28.180 And that's the announcement that's supposed to come out tomorrow from the U.S. Department of Energy.

00:00:33.660 So, I'm a little skeptical.

00:00:36.180 But then we also had Jeff Brown on, who is a futurist, who's like, if it's not this, in the next 18, 24 months, it's going to be somebody.

00:00:46.120 Fusion is here.

00:00:47.600 That's remarkable.

00:00:48.640 Mm-hmm.

00:00:49.440 We're going, it's going fast.

00:00:50.840 I don't know that we've really thought through all the ramifications of it.

00:00:53.560 But a lot of them will be positive if that happens.

00:00:56.120 So, that's good.

00:00:56.940 Oh, waiting until you hear.

00:00:57.480 Yeah, today's podcast, just for a futurist, you're going to love this.

00:01:01.280 Also, we talk about the future of the Republican Party.

00:01:06.960 What is it they have to do with the budget?

00:01:09.760 We take that first step there today on the podcast.

00:01:13.740 Here it is.

00:01:14.100 I don't even know where to start on the Twitter thing.

00:01:30.560 I mean, what bothers you the most?

00:01:35.360 That Twitter and the Democrats lied about censorship.

00:01:38.440 That the government was involved with Twitter and censorship.

00:01:42.660 That Michelle Obama pressured Twitter to ban Trump.

00:01:47.700 That the media is completely silent.

00:01:51.500 New York Times, Washington Post, one story in the last week.

00:01:55.580 There have been several updates that have happened.

00:01:58.540 And nothing on the Sunday shows except Fox.

00:02:00.540 How about the FBI and CDC using a back channel with Twitter?

00:02:05.140 Or the internal documents that show only one Twitter employee was raising serious free speech concerns.

00:02:15.840 And identified as a junior staffer, by the way.

00:02:18.280 Okay, so there are three things here that they should lawyer up about.

00:02:24.040 First, it looks like the material may have been intentionally hidden or destroyed despite inquiries from Congress.

00:02:34.200 Remember, congressmen said, Twitter, don't destroy anything because we're coming for an investigation.

00:02:42.020 So it looks like some of the evidence has been destroyed.

00:02:46.880 That's not going to go well for people.

00:02:49.920 Plus, they lied under oath over and over and over again.

00:02:57.760 This is a free speech fight for the public.

00:03:02.220 And most people are debating whether Twitter is bad or good.

00:03:07.780 This is about the federal government being involved neck deep in censorship to me.

00:03:19.660 I think so, too.

00:03:20.820 Because it's interesting.

00:03:21.920 You read the back and forth.

00:03:23.620 There is one employee.

00:03:24.800 It's like, hey, guys, I don't know if we should, like, ban a leader of the free world.

00:03:28.580 Maybe this is a bad idea.

00:03:29.960 There is one employee doing that.

00:03:31.780 One.

00:03:32.100 One.

00:03:33.540 One.

00:03:34.160 I mean, legitimately one single employee.

00:03:36.720 A junior level staffer.

00:03:38.640 In a Slack message.

00:03:39.920 In a Slack message.

00:03:41.160 It's a comical.

00:03:42.320 There's nobody there going like, hey, guys, like, don't you see how this is going to be seen by half the country?

00:03:47.040 He says, this might be an unpopular opinion, but one off ad hoc decisions like this that don't appear rooted in policy are, in my opinion, a slippery slope and reflect an alternatively equal dictatorial problem.

00:04:02.660 He said, this now appears to be fiat by an online platform CEO with a global present that can gatekeep speech for the entire world.

00:04:14.160 That seems unsustainable.

00:04:18.120 It's a very nice way of saying the very obvious thing.

00:04:21.400 How is wrong with you?

00:04:22.620 Yeah.

00:04:23.340 So it's interesting because, first of all, you mentioned the CEO.

00:04:26.620 I don't know if Jack counts at that point because he went back and forth in that role.

00:04:30.120 But I will say it does seem that Jack was out of these conversations often.

00:04:36.140 It doesn't seem like he was the center pushing point for a lot of this stuff.

00:04:40.100 And he was, I mean, in this one, he was on vacation phoning into meetings, they say.

00:04:45.300 So we'll see how that plays out as we get more information.

00:04:48.640 But he doesn't seem to be the center power, the gravity of all of this.

00:04:56.440 He's not, he seems to be occasionally involved, but not necessarily involved in the day to day.

00:05:00.480 This guy, Yoel Roth, is the guy who seems to be the guy who really is behind a lot of this.

00:05:06.420 And they have a lot of his messages.

00:05:08.080 What I find interesting, though, is you go through them.

00:05:10.420 And there is a lot of conversation from Twitter employees saying things like, look, our policies don't allow us to do this.

00:05:20.620 There's no justification for doing these things because of our policies.

00:05:26.140 Yes.

00:05:26.620 So how do we craft?

00:05:29.240 You're supposed to stop there.

00:05:30.520 You're not supposed to go to the cell.

00:05:31.840 But they go on and they say, so how do we craft a path around the policies?

00:05:37.640 How do we justify this through the policies?

00:05:39.660 So in other words, we all love the Constitution, but there are things we have to do.

00:05:44.800 Right.

00:05:44.860 Sometimes there's things we have to do.

00:05:47.200 And that seems to be the constant refrain in these messages.

00:05:51.280 They all agreed, obviously, that Donald Trump was bad and that he needed to be removed immediately and conservatives were dangerous and all of this.

00:05:59.080 But they didn't do a lot about that in this period as far as banning if they couldn't come up with a way to justify the policies.

00:06:07.720 Around January 6th, that all seemed to change.

00:06:11.440 Like they just abandoned this completely and just started blanket justifying things.

00:06:17.140 How they felt.

00:06:18.340 Because of how they felt.

00:06:19.320 Because of how they felt.

00:06:19.900 And how they felt is important because I think it's, you could say it's how they felt because they felt Donald Trump was a danger to the country.

00:06:27.460 That the right was a horrible group of people that were doing terrible things.

00:06:33.760 And I think that's true.

00:06:35.080 Like I think that is part of this story.

00:06:37.620 Part.

00:06:38.600 But the other thing they felt was massive pressure from federal government employees.

00:06:44.800 Michelle Obama.

00:06:47.420 Major people in the press that are supposed to be neutral.

00:06:52.500 All of the pressure came in.

00:06:54.680 A lot of these people are friends.

00:06:57.120 They felt massive outside pressure to come up with a way to justify this policy or not.

00:07:03.960 And so they executed it.

00:07:06.020 Does that mean that they are innocent here?

00:07:08.160 No.

00:07:08.700 Not at all.

00:07:09.580 I mean, it doesn't change how you should feel about Twitter.

00:07:11.940 But it should, I think, put the focus of the American people and their attention span, which is limited, to the people in the federal government who are starting this pressure campaign.

00:07:24.780 Right?

00:07:24.900 Yes, it's interesting that some executive at Twitter was liberal and looked for a way to ban Donald Trump or some other conservative.

00:07:33.840 Sure, that's interesting.

00:07:34.920 It's part of the story.

00:07:35.760 But the fact that our government was getting involved, federal government and former government employees.

00:07:43.440 Oh, as early as, I mean, as late as last week, Elon Musk fired the guy who was involved in the Trump setup of the Russiagate.

00:07:53.400 But that FBI agent was still filtering and possibly deleting things, covering up the FBI's involvement in Twitter as late as last week.

00:08:09.240 And that's far more important.

00:08:11.620 Oh, yeah.

00:08:12.100 It's far more important that this stuff was going on outside.

00:08:15.040 Because, look, there are a lot, they're going to have their defenses on whether they ban people or not, whether it fits policy or not.

00:08:22.560 How big of a violation is that?

00:08:25.420 Look, they could get punished, but it might not be that serious.

00:08:27.940 The First Amendment specifically deals with federal government influence.

00:08:34.800 I mean, it specifically means talking about laws, but it does have, I think, a direct line, direct line from federal government employees and former employees.

00:08:45.240 Oh, yeah.

00:08:46.080 Pressuring.

00:08:46.640 To the White House.

00:08:47.340 They said it.

00:08:48.080 They said it.

00:08:48.700 They bragged about it.

00:08:49.540 Yes, they bragged about it.

00:08:50.500 At the time.

00:08:51.100 And the media was so on their side on this stuff that it never got any critical treatment.

00:08:56.400 It shows CDC, FBI, White House, all of them, all of them steering and pushing the steerage of Twitter.

00:09:06.260 They had an online portal where you could say, hey, this tweet you should pull down and Twitter would look at it.

00:09:10.960 Now, is Twitter looking at that really?

00:09:12.560 Are they making a coherent analysis of what this tweet is?

00:09:18.080 Actually, this particular physician is from Stanford.

00:09:21.320 He's well-respected.

00:09:22.180 He's a little out of the mainstream, maybe, of consensus.

00:09:25.640 But, hey, you know, he still has an important voice.

00:09:27.720 Are they doing that?

00:09:28.400 No.

00:09:28.800 But the experts say, the federal experts say, he's not.

00:09:32.520 So are you more expert than the federal government's experts?

00:09:36.720 Right.

00:09:36.840 The pressure is making the decision.

00:09:39.020 Correct.

00:09:39.340 There is no decision making.

00:09:40.580 Correct.

00:09:41.000 They're just adopting it.

00:09:42.380 Now, of course, if Donald Trump's administration came to them and said the same thing, it would not be this way.

00:09:47.140 Why the silence from mainstream media?

00:09:52.880 This is an enormous story.

00:09:57.100 This is proof positive that the government is colluding to lie to you and using Twitter to do it.

00:10:07.260 Why the silence?

00:10:09.980 How does the press think they will get away with this?

00:10:14.000 And will they?

00:10:18.660 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:10:21.400 All right.

00:10:25.640 I want to play a couple of I want to play a couple of pieces from the media in Russia.

00:10:32.200 And I'll translate here.

00:10:34.400 First, let's play Victor Bout.

00:10:36.160 He is speaking on his boot boot.

00:10:40.880 Sorry.

00:10:41.280 Victor boot.

00:10:41.920 Victor boot.

00:10:43.060 He's speaking on Russian television about the American society.

00:10:49.380 Here he is.

00:10:50.160 He says what's happening in the West is simply the suicide of civilization.

00:10:58.280 And if this suicide isn't prevented, at very least outside the Western world,

00:11:05.540 in the world not controlled by the Anglo-Saxons, the entire planet will commit suicide. 1.00

00:11:13.380 You know?

00:11:14.460 And this is probably happening in all areas.

00:11:18.460 What is it called in Russian LGBTQ plus?

00:11:25.260 Can you imagine that in American schools, they are now teaching first graders,

00:11:31.320 six and seven year old first graders,

00:11:34.820 that it turns out there are 72 genders,

00:11:38.360 not just, you know, gay people and normal people,

00:11:42.520 but 72.

00:11:47.720 Okay.

00:11:49.440 All right.

00:11:50.720 So people tweeted that and go,

00:11:52.280 look,

00:11:52.640 we released a guy.

00:11:53.920 This,

00:11:54.280 he,

00:11:54.500 he was in prison here and he goes back and he even knows we're,

00:11:59.180 how sick we are.

00:12:00.080 And he's saying it comment reserved.

00:12:03.560 Now here's another show.

00:12:05.700 This is a big,

00:12:07.300 uh,

00:12:08.380 big talk show,

00:12:09.820 television show in Russia.

00:12:11.680 This is Russian state media mocking Biden.

00:12:16.040 Now listen to this one.

00:12:18.640 Of course,

00:12:19.680 I was very amused,

00:12:20.920 but not surprised that boot was exchanged for Griner and not Waylon.

00:12:26.760 First of all,

00:12:27.520 I congratulate boot and his entire family.

00:12:29.660 For many years,

00:12:30.440 we have been touched with his family.

00:12:32.040 to the extent that it was possible.

00:12:35.560 We communicated with him to the extent we could.

00:12:38.800 Of course,

00:12:39.260 this is a huge joy and relief to all of us.

00:12:41.980 I can't even imagine what this means to his family,

00:12:44.460 but he was not exchanged for the heroic spy.

00:12:51.900 Because he's a spy.

00:12:53.820 Whelan is a spy.

00:12:55.580 He was apprehended while receiving information on a flash drive.

00:13:00.620 He said he was supposed to get photos of churches on a flash drive.

00:13:06.560 You send church photos through WhatsApp,

00:13:08.620 right?

00:13:09.580 That's where they,

00:13:10.420 we got him.

00:13:11.840 We don't get a flash drive brought to you for that.

00:13:15.060 Quality,

00:13:15.800 uh,

00:13:16.080 would be decent,

00:13:16.980 no worse than a flash drive.

00:13:18.240 He's a spy.

00:13:19.540 Therefore,

00:13:20.120 to them,

00:13:20.940 he's a hero.

00:13:21.900 He's a hero.

00:13:23.120 Decorated marine,

00:13:24.220 covered in metals.

00:13:25.940 He has not one,

00:13:26.960 not two,

00:13:27.860 but three problems.

00:13:28.840 Three,

00:13:29.400 three.

00:13:30.620 First problem.

00:13:32.320 He's white. 0.96

00:13:34.300 Second problem.

00:13:35.500 He is a man.

00:13:37.040 Third problem.

00:13:38.200 He's a heterosexual.

00:13:39.480 This is not something you can get away with.

00:13:43.540 American voters.

00:13:45.320 He beats a grinder in every aspect. 1.00

00:13:48.880 It's a catastrophe.

00:13:50.480 American voters were given a choice.

00:13:52.060 A hero who suffered while serving his fatherland,

00:13:55.000 or a metal-covered hero who suffered during his service to his fatherland. 0.98

00:13:59.520 The United States or a black lesbian hooked on drugs who suffered for vape with hashish, hashish. 1.00

00:14:08.820 A well-known for the sake of PR. 0.99

00:14:11.880 American voters are choosing the obvious.

00:14:14.020 I think this is one more piece of good news.

00:14:17.220 The first good news is boot, return.

00:14:20.320 The second good news is a nation that spits on its heroes to the extent that it considers it significantly more important to free rightfully charged, well-known athlete.

00:14:30.680 She didn't suffer.

00:14:32.060 She served her motherland, but because she couldn't live for 10 hours without hashish, instead of freeing the person in prison for two years for serving his motherland,

00:14:43.880 this says a lot about the state of this society, these intelligence agencies, and everything related to geopolitical confrontation.

00:14:54.320 Wow.

00:14:56.040 Wow.

00:14:56.600 A lot to unpack in that analysis.

00:14:59.100 So, what are your thoughts watching this?

00:15:02.940 Well, taking, I think you're going to go.

00:15:06.260 Just your base.

00:15:06.760 Just your base thoughts.

00:15:07.580 Just on what they actually are saying.

00:15:09.020 First of all, he was not a spy.

00:15:10.540 This is a complete lie.

00:15:11.820 He was not a spy.

00:15:13.720 That is, still to this day, is not a spy.

00:15:17.040 That is a lie by Russian propaganda, not true.

00:15:21.460 Important to note.

00:15:23.840 And at some level, you know, he's not an American hero.

00:15:27.780 And I say that not because that's my opinion, but because the media has not focused really at all on the guy.

00:15:32.980 I mean, he's not known in American circles at all.

00:15:35.360 He's an unknown person.

00:15:37.180 Unless you happen to follow this stuff, which I know we have, and I know the audience probably has,

00:15:41.740 but generally speaking, it has not been covered.

00:15:44.740 Most people don't know.

00:15:46.300 In fact, the hero of the two to the American media is Brittany Griner.

00:15:51.560 Now, is it because she's black and lesbian and a woman? 1.00

00:15:56.380 And that part is interesting.

00:15:58.040 And a celebrity.

00:15:58.440 And a celebrity.

00:15:59.100 So, taking the celebrity part separately, because I think that is undoubtedly true.

00:16:04.860 Like, 100% true the reason why they went after Brittany Griner is because there was so much pop press on it.

00:16:11.760 If I were, if I were over in Russia and arrested for anything, just say the same thing, vaping, okay?

00:16:20.300 Oh, they'd send you, I mean, they'd ask you to go to Siberia.

00:16:23.220 Yeah, okay, so.

00:16:24.280 Yes, it's not just pure fame, but it's the right kind of fame.

00:16:26.640 Because it would not happen.

00:16:27.260 It's the right kind of fame.

00:16:28.820 It's the politically correct fame.

00:16:30.720 Right.

00:16:30.940 I think the interesting part about her gender, her sexuality, the color of her skin, is you could argue, well, that's not it. 0.99

00:16:41.720 Because we made this argument, and I know you made this argument last week, where there's a real argument to be made, to me, to you.

00:16:51.540 Yeah.

00:16:51.880 To, I think, many conservatives.

00:16:54.160 Right.

00:16:54.600 That we do go get the woman out of this situation before the man, who's a Marine, out of chivalry.

00:17:02.820 Oh, my gosh, how outdated are you?

00:17:05.200 I know.

00:17:05.840 How dare you say that?

00:17:06.900 I know, it is.

00:17:07.440 That's, I mean, that is, that America would have done this, you know, 50 years ago, 20 years ago.

00:17:15.220 Without question.

00:17:15.800 Without question, the woman goes first, the Marine was trained, he can handle it. 0.50

00:17:20.860 And every Marine would cheer it on.

00:17:22.820 Yes.

00:17:23.160 You know, and I think, now, of course, the Biden administration can't make that argument, because they can't even define what a woman is. 0.78

00:17:29.780 Right.

00:17:30.120 So, how can they possibly say it?

00:17:32.240 And they're not saying it's chivalry.

00:17:34.060 They're not saying that's why they did it.

00:17:35.880 But, like, think of the alternative.

00:17:39.580 Let's say they did take Whelan.

00:17:42.720 What would the media be saying today?

00:17:45.100 If they did take a white male instead of Brittany Griner. 1.00

00:17:49.940 Oh, yeah.

00:17:50.240 Forget the way it came out.

00:17:52.160 If they did the opposite, we know it would be months of coverage of the only reason they didn't take Brittany Griner is because she's black, she's a woman, and she has an alternative lifestyle. 1.00

00:18:07.900 And you can't do that to the hand that feeds you.

00:18:10.880 Mm-hmm.

00:18:11.160 So, it would have been only the extreme left that would have, it would have split.

00:18:17.640 I mean, the left has one thing the right does not have.

00:18:20.720 Cooperation.

00:18:22.380 Cooperation.

00:18:23.320 They hate each other.

00:18:24.480 Mm-hmm.

00:18:24.620 They hate each other.

00:18:26.260 You really think that the Marxists are in bed with GE and all of these other giant corporations with Citibank?

00:18:36.280 Do you really think?

00:18:38.020 No.

00:18:38.860 Of course not.

00:18:39.600 That was a deal made at Occupy Wall Street.

00:18:43.600 Look, we'll give you some money.

00:18:45.140 You go away.

00:18:45.800 You leave us alone.

00:18:46.900 But they still hate each other.

00:18:48.680 Mm-hmm.

00:18:48.940 But they work together.

00:18:50.400 The right doesn't.

00:18:51.480 If he would have released that, only the extreme, dedicated left would have gone on television, and it would have been mainly on MSNBC, I think, because they couldn't bite the government hand that is feeding them.

00:19:07.100 It would have been there, but it wouldn't have been as strong.

00:19:10.420 If it was a Republican that did it, it'd be over.

00:19:13.500 That's all you'd hear about for four years.

00:19:15.300 That's true.

00:19:15.940 That's true.

00:19:16.240 Um, here's the thing that I really want to point out.

00:19:22.020 This is, um, Dugan.

00:19:27.380 Alexander Dugan?

00:19:28.660 Alexander Dugan is, uh, a master at traditionalism.

00:19:36.020 Capital T traditionalism.

00:19:39.080 He's a Russian advisor.

00:19:41.700 To Putin.

00:19:42.280 He is a scholar.

00:19:44.160 He is the guy whose daughter was just assassinated, uh, he says, by Ukrainians.

00:19:50.240 Um, he is a very influential figure in Russia.

00:19:55.580 Alexander Dugan is extraordinarily dangerous.

00:19:59.620 He has used Putin money, um, over here in the United States.

00:20:05.000 He has allies here in the United States.

00:20:08.300 His allies tend to be like, um, uh, what's his name?

00:20:13.340 Robert Spencer, the head of the Nazi.

00:20:16.280 Isn't in that Richard Spencer, Richard Spencer.

00:20:18.500 Yeah.

00:20:18.700 Sorry, Robert, whoever you are.

00:20:20.720 Um, uh, yeah, the rich kind of known as the head of the alt right and such.

00:20:26.220 Yeah.

00:20:26.320 And, uh, you know, he was Nazi. 0.74

00:20:29.140 His wife or his girlfriend, I can't remember.

00:20:31.520 I think it's his wife.

00:20:32.340 His wife is the translator for Alexander Dugan, the English translator.

00:20:38.420 Okay.

00:20:39.240 Um, he is in bed with the worst of the worst.

00:20:42.860 And he also comes in with sheep's clothing.

00:20:46.380 He also has emissaries that have put money into traditional family kind of things.

00:20:54.320 So he's just talking tradition.

00:20:56.540 Look, we, we're going to lose our traditions.

00:20:59.080 We're losing, we're losing basic, basic things here that, you know, God wants us to have.

00:21:06.300 He is as close as you can get to Satan on earth as you can find.

00:21:12.020 He believes that the entire world has to reset.

00:21:18.740 And so he wants to bring on literally Armageddon and the end of the world.

00:21:26.060 He believes it's better to reset to the stone age to where we all are just tribal again.

00:21:34.680 And we get rid of all of this new, uh, technology and get rid of all of these new things that make us into who we are.

00:21:44.720 I think we should just master them and not let them be the master of us.

00:21:49.320 He wants everything destroyed.

00:21:51.620 He is really frightening.

00:21:54.360 I think he is the most frightening James Bond style villain alive today.

00:22:00.060 He and Klaus Schwab, extraordinarily dangerous.

00:22:03.380 But he's dangerous because he's the guy who pushes narratives in the West like this.

00:22:12.120 He's the guy who's like, you know, this is suicide by the Anglo-Saxons and somebody's got to stand up or the entire planet. 1.00

00:22:20.020 And so that's got to be Russia.

00:22:22.240 Russia is the defender of the faith.

00:22:24.740 Now, have you ever thought of Russia as the defender of the faith?

00:22:28.740 Russia's the defender of the faith.

00:22:31.280 Not the reputation.

00:22:32.480 But, you know, in American schools, they're teaching about 72 genders. 0.99

00:22:38.180 Look, they're letting this, this lesbian drug user out over a traditional hero. 1.00

00:22:45.000 She was rightfully charged. 0.60

00:22:47.200 How could they possibly do that?

00:22:49.520 They've gone to hell.

00:22:52.700 Extraordinarily dangerous.

00:22:53.960 I tweeted this without comment because I wanted to make the comment today because you need to understand it.

00:23:03.600 And that's not going to happen in a tweet.

00:23:05.740 You need to understand this.

00:23:09.180 Satan is the author of all lies, confusion, and chaos.

00:23:15.620 But he is, he does not only speak lies. 0.72

00:23:23.200 His trick is he speaks much of the truth and then commingles it with extraordinarily evil lies.

00:23:34.080 He says, what's the truth?

00:23:37.240 We're on a suicide path, gang.

00:23:40.480 Unless somebody stands up in the Western Hemisphere, the West is going to wipe itself out.

00:23:47.180 We are on a suicidal path, period.

00:23:49.940 That part of the message is true.

00:23:54.040 We have turned things upside down that because you're a man or a heterosexual, you're not worth as much as somebody else.

00:24:03.300 Meaning all men are created equal is no longer true.

00:24:09.480 That's suicidal.

00:24:11.180 That's not sustainable.

00:24:13.400 That's what built the West.

00:24:15.820 Again, true.

00:24:20.300 The lie?

00:24:23.260 Russia is the Savior.

00:24:26.500 Their kind of government is the Savior.

00:24:31.820 I don't think any government is the Savior.

00:24:35.420 I think the government of God is the Savior.

00:24:38.840 The only reason why we had a semi-decent government, as Churchill said, the worst, except for everybody else's government.

00:24:48.640 The reason why we had that semi-decent government was because we understood our first passport, our first citizenship was to the kingdom of God.

00:25:04.260 Our second citizenship was American.

00:25:07.200 And until we realize that, we will be duped by dangerous, dangerous lies mixed with clear truth.

00:25:19.160 The best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:25:23.400 Jeff Brown.

00:25:24.940 Always good to talk to you, my friend.

00:25:26.580 How are you?

00:25:28.020 Good morning.

00:25:29.160 Good to have you on.

00:25:30.260 Jeff, I was reading Saturday something from, what was it, Morgan Stanley?

00:25:39.620 I can't remember.

00:25:40.620 One of the big financial firms.

00:25:42.420 And they were showing what's happening with ESG and the whole plan.

00:25:48.460 And it got to 3031 and it said fusion plants to provide baseline energy.

00:25:57.400 And I thought, gee, that's eight years away.

00:26:00.500 How's that going to happen?

00:26:02.540 The next day, I hear that we are announcing fusion energy.

00:26:07.660 So I come to three conclusions and I want to see what you think.

00:26:12.460 A, the big oil companies have always put fusion and hidden all that technology.

00:26:18.040 We've had it forever.

00:26:19.280 But oil, big oil stopped it.

00:26:21.760 I don't believe that.

00:26:22.580 Second, the government has fusion and it's ready to go and it's going to be remarkable

00:26:34.960 and it's going to happen quickly.

00:26:37.240 Or the third option is they know we're close to something.

00:26:43.060 And this is a way to get people excited like a moonshot and get everybody on board with a

00:26:50.040 public-private partnership to pioneer this technology with no idea whether or not we're

00:26:57.680 going to be the ones that find it.

00:26:59.260 But we might as well try a moonshot.

00:27:01.760 Which one of those or is it something else?

00:27:04.140 Well, Glenn, the closest one of the scenarios that you described is definitely the third one.

00:27:14.540 Right.

00:27:15.140 You know, there are a large number of different approaches that are being tested around the world

00:27:22.280 of nuclear fusion reactors.

00:27:26.420 And it's very experimental at this stage.

00:27:29.880 Generally speaking, we all know that it's going to work.

00:27:34.680 It's just a matter of figuring out which one or ones, which approaches are going to really

00:27:41.560 be the most effective in terms of producing limitless clean energy.

00:27:47.620 You know, the technology, historically, we just haven't had the material science.

00:27:53.640 We haven't had the artificial intelligence to manage these incredibly complex plasma reactions

00:28:01.060 under immense heat and immense pressure.

00:28:04.740 But the whole industry has been advancing at an incredible pace over the last three years

00:28:11.020 in particular that we're right on the cusp, that inflection point where we've actually

00:28:17.520 produced a net energy output reaction.

00:28:20.880 We've produced a lot of fusion reactions for milliseconds or, in some cases, a few seconds,

00:28:27.220 but they haven't been net energy output.

00:28:30.360 They've required more energy to create and maintain the reaction than the energy that was

00:28:37.300 actually produced from the fusion reaction.

00:28:38.980 So let me read to you the exact report.

00:28:42.700 The report offers some reason to be careful, as two of the sources said the greater than expected

00:28:47.220 energy output of 2.5 megajoules of energy in the experiment, using 2.1 megajoules of energy

00:28:54.440 in the lasers, damaged diagnostic equipment, so they couldn't measure.

00:28:59.040 Initial diagnostic data suggests another successful experiment at the National Ignition Facility.

00:29:05.500 However, the exact yield is still being determined, and we can't confirm that it's over the threshold.

00:29:10.940 That analysis is in process, so publishing the information before that process is complete

00:29:15.540 would be inaccurate.

00:29:17.280 So we're at exactly the same place we've been for a while.

00:29:21.700 We don't know if we have it.

00:29:24.240 We haven't been able to measure these.

00:29:27.340 Well, we may know as early as tomorrow.

00:29:30.440 It sure sounds like they've had a net energy output reaction.

00:29:35.520 And it's worth mentioning that Lawrence Livermore Laboratory has had successful fusion reactions

00:29:43.500 in the past.

00:29:44.280 They had a big breakthrough earlier this year.

00:29:47.040 Their approach is quite different.

00:29:48.560 They use a bunch of lasers, 192 to be exact, that they focus on some fuel to create that

00:29:56.620 intense pressure and the intense heat that causes the hydrogen to combine and to helium, which

00:30:06.360 releases the energy.

00:30:08.000 They've been able to demonstrate that before.

00:30:09.840 So to me, it wouldn't be a surprise at all if the news is confirmed tomorrow or later this

00:30:16.960 week that they, in fact, have had a net energy output.

00:30:21.120 So what kind of a net energy output do you need to be the miracle we're looking for?

00:30:27.640 Well, I mean, the reality is anything greater than one, in other words, more energy output

00:30:36.520 than the energy required to sustain the reaction is a win.

00:30:42.760 But the reality is we actually don't have to sacrifice the technology when implemented,

00:30:51.620 when proven to be successful and no longer theoretical.

00:30:55.380 You'll be able to manage a nuclear fusion reaction and create 10 units of energy for every

00:31:04.320 one unit of input.

00:31:07.960 Now, what that means is basically almost free, limitless, completely clean energy for the planet.

00:31:16.020 It's extraordinary.

00:31:19.620 So what kind of energy do you need to fuel it?

00:31:22.660 Would we still have to have fossil fuels to fuel it? 0.94

00:31:25.480 Or can you skim off the top to refuel?

00:31:28.820 I mean.

00:31:30.760 No, this is the this is the great part that, you know, the inputs to these reactions, once

00:31:36.160 you obviously have built your fusion reactor are basically two different kinds of hydrogen.

00:31:41.840 One is deuterium and one is tritium, otherwise known as hydrogen two and hydrogen three.

00:31:47.540 Hydrogen two literally can be derived from water, tap water, and hydrogen three is a byproduct

00:31:57.360 of lithium.

00:31:59.100 So these are obviously widely available.

00:32:02.040 That's the fuel.

00:32:03.780 And those are the inputs to create this limitless clean energy.

00:32:08.260 And, you know, perhaps, Glenn, another way to look at it is that if we think about an individual

00:32:14.560 consumer.

00:32:17.660 To produce 10 years of energy for an individual consumer, it only takes a few tablespoons of

00:32:24.400 water and the amount of lithium that is in your smartphone.

00:32:29.240 Wow.

00:32:29.840 One person for 10 years.

00:32:31.080 That's how incredible nuclear fusion is as a source of clean energy.

00:32:39.280 Holy cow. 0.89

00:32:39.960 Now, they say that if this is true, it would still take us decades before we could open

00:32:47.180 up a plant.

00:32:48.100 Do you believe that to be true?

00:32:51.380 No, it can happen a lot faster than that.

00:32:54.680 Um, I, I mean, I think back to when you and I sat down in your studio almost three years

00:33:00.820 ago to the date, uh, I think it was November, 2019.

00:33:04.000 And at that time I predicted that we would see this moment within five years.

00:33:09.920 So before 2024 and, uh, here we are.

00:33:14.620 And back then I remember the consensus in the industry was, you know, 2030 and beyond.

00:33:19.360 So, um, no, it's not going to take 10 years to commercialize.

00:33:25.360 Um, we're going to have compact nuclear fusion reactors, uh, really within the next three

00:33:32.100 years, um, we're going to see net energy output.

00:33:35.560 And then from my perspective, it's just a matter of commercialization.

00:33:39.500 So as I look into the second half of this decade, we should see at least one or two companies

00:33:46.660 producing those initial compact fusion reactors to be put into commercial use for clean energy

00:33:54.780 production.

00:33:55.900 Like what kind of compact?

00:33:57.180 What do you, what are you talking about for your house, for your phone, for a city?

00:34:02.740 Well, in the, you know, in the industry, when we talk about a compact fusion reactor, we

00:34:08.580 can imagine something roughly the size of a semi-trailer, um, which is exciting because

00:34:16.580 you can manufacture these things, put them on the back of a semi-trailer, ship them out

00:34:22.900 to whatever neighborhood or subdivision or city metropolitan area and install these and

00:34:29.240 basically connect them to the, uh, the electricity grid.

00:34:33.420 And is this something that is, uh, affordable, will it become affordable?

00:34:43.420 I mean, it sounds like the resources that you need are plentiful.

00:34:48.640 Yes, the, the engineering required is, um, while, uh, technically more advanced in terms of

00:34:57.540 material science, especially with regards to making these, um, uh, magnets that are required,

00:35:04.460 uh, to contain the, this incredibly hot, uh, pressurized plasma.

00:35:11.260 That's really the hardest part, but the costs are going to be a lot less than a large, um, uh,

00:35:19.380 power production plant, um, because, uh, fusion is such an energy dense, um, uh, way to produce

00:35:28.180 electricity, uh, as opposed to, you know, a natural gas plant or a coal plant, something

00:35:32.740 like that, or for that matter, a nuclear fission plant.

00:35:36.220 And once you start the fusion, it doesn't stop, right?

00:35:42.200 It just keeps feeding.

00:35:43.620 And this is the great part that, you know, this is in terms of operational costs.

00:35:50.320 If you're producing 10 units of energy, then you can just take a portion of that energy

00:35:56.500 and use it to the fuel, the, the nuclear fusion reaction.

00:36:00.740 It'll just go on forever.

00:36:01.840 As long as you need it to 24 seven, uh, that's the beauty of these fusion reactions.

00:36:08.200 And there's no risk of a meltdown at all.

00:36:11.100 Um, the moment you, uh, basically, um, take your finger off the button, uh, basically the

00:36:17.700 plasma cools down peacefully and the reaction stops and just stops producing energy.

00:36:24.760 Well, Jeff, we know that, uh, big oil kept big battery from being made.

00:36:32.340 Uh, and so now why would big battery allow fusion to happen?

00:36:37.980 What does this mean for all of the battery research and the cars we're building now?

00:36:46.240 Well, the, um, yeah, the industry for, uh, petroleum and, um, uh, gasoline, of course, natural gas.

00:36:58.340 This, this is the one that will be the most threatened coal as well from a breakthrough like this.

00:37:04.620 Um, when we have limitless, almost free, clean energy, um, no carbon emissions, no reactive waste.

00:37:13.840 Um, you know, why do we need those other sources of energy?

00:37:17.220 Uh, and there's obviously some very large vested interests that would probably prefer to not see this happen.

00:37:24.960 But the car industry, uh, you know, this is what makes, from my perspective, electric vehicles make sense.

00:37:32.620 You know, historically in the U S 60% of all electricity production comes from coal and natural gas.

00:37:40.060 And in fact, in the last two years, our usage of coal has increased from about 21% to 25% just in the last two years.

00:37:49.060 I know it's counterintuitive.

00:37:51.560 Um, so driving around an electric vehicle, when it's fueled by electricity from fossil fuels, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

00:37:59.340 But if we have nuclear fusion, then electric vehicles make a ton of sense, uh, because we don't have to burn fossil fuels, uh, to create the electricity, to fuel them.

00:38:10.780 All right.

00:38:10.920 So, so I hate to be such a pessimist, but I just have seen too many things here.

00:38:17.420 Um, there's also vested interest right now, especially with ESG to make sure that those profits happen that haven't been happening, um,

00:38:27.140 and of causing all kinds of problems for these big hedge funds, et cetera.

00:38:30.900 The idea that we are on a breakthrough energy, uh, would funnel a lot of money into these kinds of new technologies, um, and help fund them.

00:38:45.440 Uh, and if they're real great, uh, if they're a, you know, green new deal, not so great.

00:38:51.180 Um, and so there is big business and big money, uh, and big government that would love to, it's just coincidental or, or, or very, very convenient that this would be announced, uh, like this by the government, which would play right into their hand.

00:39:10.320 Am I being too pessimistic here?

00:39:14.260 Um, no, I, I don't think you are.

00:39:17.100 There's just tens of billions of dollars at stake here.

00:39:20.640 And, uh, obviously, I mean, even if we look at the whole carbon credit industry, the net beneficiary of carbon credits has been the financial services industry that makes money trading these things around.

00:39:34.340 They're not solving our environmental problems.

00:39:37.800 Uh, you know, they haven't changed, um, how energy is produced around the world.

00:39:43.060 They're just a financial instrument.

00:39:44.880 And so this is real, this is transformational.

00:39:50.480 In fact, I would argue that, um, commercializing nuclear fusion technology is the single most important thing that we can do for our environment.

00:40:01.480 Oh, by far.

00:40:02.300 Easily, easily, right?

00:40:02.940 This should be it.

00:40:04.220 This, this is it.

00:40:05.340 If you have this, this is really all you have to do.

00:40:08.880 You'll take all energy, um, that is being, uh, manufactured and make it 100% clean.

00:40:16.840 That, that's all you have to do.

00:40:18.280 That's like shutting the planet off, which they said we had to do.

00:40:21.680 That's what this would be.

00:40:23.800 That's right.

00:40:24.620 That's right.

00:40:25.120 And I, you know, the, the, the craziest thing about all of this is that as we've, we're so close to having this, this breakthrough is that less than $10 billion, less than $10 billion over the last three decades has been invested by the U.S.

00:40:44.680 government and by the private sector and nuclear fusion technology projects and companies.

00:40:53.020 Now that said this year, 2022 was an absolute record year.

00:40:58.280 It was the biggest private funding year.

00:41:01.240 This whole industry has been primarily driven by a private industry, venture capitalists.

00:41:06.880 Um, and, uh, so in that sense, it was a breakthrough year and that's because people can see that we're, we're really on the cusp of this breakthrough.

00:41:14.280 So I think, I believe that at the government level, we're going to see a very big shift in terms of, uh, levels of investment.

00:41:22.960 This should be the equivalent of, you know, a Manhattan project or an Apollo program in terms of energy policy.

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