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00:00:00.000 welcome to the podcast today glenn is back yes the voice is pretty much there the throat's a

00:00:06.520 little sore it looks like uh but we he's here he's back in the saddle a great return today we

00:00:12.020 had we talked about uh twitter and all the twitter files that are out there and the fbi involvement

00:00:17.000 britney griner and her trade we traded a center for a terrorist stew may i just say that i can 0.95

00:00:24.000 make a case for leaving the marine behind and taking the woman right and making sure because 0.96

00:00:32.060 she's probably in much more danger than the former marine sure in prison you can make that case um

00:00:37.660 however if i make that case that it would be the chivalrous thing to do to bring her over and leave

00:00:44.720 the marine um i don't think her or her allies would like that very much which is strange

00:00:53.780 that i'd be called a monster for saying that what a weird world we live in yes we get into all that

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00:01:16.460 we've got the power hour going on which ends usually in a very messy situation right right vomiting yes

00:01:22.080 it's usually that after that is the actual real christmas party for the company so would you

00:01:27.840 recommend the participants come to the actual christmas party because you could say it's good

00:01:32.660 prep you're you're already i think you're doing yes yes and you're doing it on your own dime

00:01:37.200 right so okay you're open bar and you won't want any of it so i think that's i think that's great

00:01:43.900 all right here's the podcast

00:01:45.460 so elon musk has uh released the second set of twitter files now there is a caveat to that and

00:02:07.080 i'll give it to you here in just a second but uh gave him to barry weiss and barry weiss uh formerly

00:02:12.940 with the new york times and not a conservative um but not somebody who is crazy either uh decided to

00:02:21.620 um you know she she was given the files and she outlined it pretty well on twitter one new twitter

00:02:29.960 files investigation reveals that teams of twitter employees built blacklists prevented to save

00:02:36.200 disfavored tweets from trending and actively limited the visibility of entire accounts or even trending

00:02:43.720 topics all in secret without informing users so in other words everything that we said that was going

00:02:50.340 on was going on twitter once had a mission to give everyone the power to create and share ideas

00:02:57.220 and information instantly without barriers along the way barriers nevertheless were erected three

00:03:04.880 take for example stanford's dr jay i can't pronounce his name who argued what is it bacharya bacharya bacharya

00:03:13.560 who argued that covid lockdowns would harm children twitter secretly placed him on a trends blacklist

00:03:20.580 which prevented his tweets from trending four or we should point out she's posting the screenshots of

00:03:26.880 this like you can see on his account it says trends blacklist like they have these little recent abuse strike

00:03:33.660 strike count and then trends blacklist this is something that they denied doing over and over and

00:03:40.080 over again they not only denied it the media covered up for it but this as the media is now telling us

00:03:46.280 is old news oh this is old i guess in a way or consider the popular right-wing talk show host don

00:03:52.400 dan bongino who at one point was slapped with a search blacklist so you couldn't search him

00:03:59.220 twitter set the account of conservative activists charlie kirk to do not amplify and again all the

00:04:06.140 screenshots are there twitter denied that it does such things in 2018 uh twitter's head of legal policy

00:04:14.860 and trust and the head of product said we don't shadow ban and we certainly don't shadow ban based on

00:04:20.680 political viewpoints or ideology hmm looks like they were lying what many people call shadow banning twitter

00:04:27.600 executives employees call visibility filtering not orwellian at all no um think about visibility

00:04:38.380 filtering barry rice white writes as a way for us to suppress what people see to different levels it's a

00:04:46.060 very powerful tool this is one senior twitter twitter employee uh vf refers to twitter's control over

00:04:54.580 visibility it used vf to block searches of individual users to limit the scope of a particular

00:05:02.300 tweets discoverability to block select users posts from ever appearing on trending page and from inclusion

00:05:10.300 in hashtag searches um all without the user's knowledge we control visibility quite a bit and we control

00:05:18.840 the amplification of your content quite a bit and normal people do not know how much we do one twitter

00:05:25.140 engineer told us um the group that decided whether to limit the reach of certain users was the strategic

00:05:32.840 response team or the global escalation team uh they often often handled up to 200 cases a day

00:05:40.900 but there existed a level beyond official ticketing beyond the rank and file moderators following the

00:05:48.100 company's policy on paper and that is the site integrity policy and policy escalation support

00:05:55.560 this secret group head of legal policy and trust and global head of trust and safety subsequent ceos

00:06:04.100 jack dorsey and parag whatever his name is and others uh barry weiss said this is the biggest most

00:06:12.620 politically sensitive decisions that were made think higher follower account controversial another twitter

00:06:20.960 employee told us these uh for these there would be no ticketing or anything so they did not want the rest of

00:06:30.120 the company even knowing they were doing this they wanted this to be kind of their own little pathway to

00:06:36.240 censorship and let's just remember when jack got on to hannity and he was like we don't do any of this

00:06:40.620 yeah i can promise you we don't do it to be fair to jack himself some of these files are showing that

00:06:47.420 he wasn't even consulted on this stuff like they were other other levels of employees doing it wasn't

00:06:51.920 necessarily going to him yeah he seems to be an elon must supporter by the way yeah i know he does so i

00:06:57.120 know he is and elon supports uh jack yeah he seems to be it's it seems to be the culture was the big

00:07:04.360 problem this is what i said about um zuckerberg zuckerberg is either completely out of the loop

00:07:12.080 and has no idea what's happening in his own company or he's a fantastic liar and i i'm not sure what it 0.63

00:07:20.500 is i mean i don't think he's a fantastic liar um but uh uh i i'm not sure it's like jack i'm not sure if

00:07:28.860 he really knows what's going on in his own company if you believe the jack story um the account um

00:07:36.680 let's see here where was i i think you're in 16 oh i'm in 16 one of the accounts that rose to this

00:07:42.280 level of scrutiny of was libs of tiktok an account that was on the trends blacklist and it was designated

00:07:49.780 as do not take action on user without consulting with the higher group the account uh now boasts over

00:07:58.540 1.4 million followers was subject to six suspensions in 2022 alone or 20 yeah 2022 alone each time they

00:08:07.740 were blocked from posting for as long as a week twitter repeatedly informed the libs of tiktok

00:08:13.840 that they had been suspended for violating twitter's policy against hateful conduct uh content and conduct

00:08:20.940 but in an internal memo from october 2022 after their seventh suspension the committee

00:08:28.280 acknowledged that libs of tiktok had not directly engaged in behavior uh violative of the hateful

00:08:36.320 conduct policy that's incredible i mean and here it is i mean there's the email they have the email

00:08:42.320 uh and basically they're saying they suspended her for no reason right like at least no no formal

00:08:51.520 reason no reason that that that was identified in their rules yeah they came up with a new one right

00:08:57.080 the committee justified her suspensions internally by claiming her post encouraged online harassment of

00:09:03.020 hospitals and medical providers um by insinuating that gender-affirming health care is equivalent to

00:09:09.100 child abuse or grooming compare this to what happened when uh she was doxed the libs of tiktok uh poster 0.87

00:09:17.180 um november 21st 2022 a photo of her home and address was posted in a tweet that had garnered more

00:09:23.940 than 10 000 likes when uh libs of tiktok told twitter that the address had been disseminated

00:09:29.440 um she says twitter support responded with this message we reviewed the report content didn't find

00:09:35.480 it to be in violation of the twitter rules no action was taking taken the docs tweet is still up

00:09:41.800 still still i wonder if elon will take care of that one today i would hope uh in internal slack

00:09:47.640 messages twitter employees spoke of using technicalities to restrict the visibility of tweets and

00:09:52.960 subjects here's yoel roth uh twitter's then global head of trust and safety in a direct message to a

00:09:59.280 colleague um si has uh technically spam enforcements as a way to solve i can't read the whole thing

00:10:06.780 solve a problem created by safety under and under enforcing their policies which again isn't a problem

00:10:12.680 per se but it keeps us from addressing the root cause of the issue which is that our safety policies

00:10:17.280 needs some attention six days later direct message with an employee on health misinformation privacy

00:10:22.660 and identity research team roth requested more research uh to support expanding non-removal policy

00:10:30.720 interventions like disabling engagements and de-amplification visibility filtering these are all

00:10:36.880 the things that were everybody said under the banner of shadow bans that they denied over and over

00:10:41.500 so it just goes on and on but it is uh more of the same everything that we knew now this story you would

00:10:50.960 think can't get any worse right well if you remember back in june 23 uh on 2022 um there were a number of

00:11:06.580 people that pointed out that twitter was hiring an alarming number of fbi agents um and this is

00:11:17.360 something we pointed out in a special just recently uh that all of them are doing this the revolving door

00:11:24.900 from the fbi to amazon to google to uh zuckerberg's facebook and to twitter is astounding one of the guys

00:11:35.600 who went to twitter is james baker now

00:11:40.260 i'm thinking about an old poster a propaganda poster from the soviet union

00:11:47.340 vladimir lenin stands in front of a giant red soviet emblem with his right arm stretching forward

00:11:54.400 and the caption reads to the bright future of communist society universal prosperity and enduring peace

00:12:01.620 the words to the bright future would be good would be used to uh by some uh at the politburo policy

00:12:10.760 officials in the kgb as an excuse when they asserted their heavy hand on their people you don't like

00:12:17.260 reporting nothing but propaganda and lies in the soviet media media don't worry it's for your safety

00:12:23.040 to the bright future you don't want your family member go to the re-education camp to the bright future 0.98

00:12:29.140 for others all the people suffering under communist control the phrase became a sort of coping

00:12:36.240 mechanism sure this all sucks but to the bright future now soviets did that because the ends justify

00:12:46.380 the means they had a plan the bright future and that that allowed them to justify anything

00:12:56.300 we see this happening everywhere now think about that the next time you use a phone that was made by

00:13:08.600 huawei or you fire up tiktok

00:13:11.640 a product you're using can be used to support chinese national intelligence work

00:13:18.780 but it's not just chinese russian it is also americans the fbi is the political commissar the

00:13:31.480 commissars they admitted recently to holding regular meetings with all of the big social media companies

00:13:37.820 they maintain quote relationships and met weekly mark zuckerberg gave a hint on a joe rogan podcast that

00:13:45.960 some of the meetings uh contained information that uh would uh warn them against things like the hunter

00:13:53.180 biden laptop now they knew it wasn't russian propaganda so why was the fbi feeding misinformation

00:14:01.120 to social media companies we know the fbi didn't want donald trump to become president because we saw

00:14:07.680 that when an fbi lawyer was caught falsifying evidence in order to get a fisa warrant to spy on the trump

00:14:15.100 campaign carter page and nothing happened to him speaking of fbi lawyers it was the fbi's top lawyer james baker

00:14:26.600 that helped facilitate the meeting between the democratic operative michael suspen and the fbi investigators

00:14:34.340 to look into the bogus trump alpha bank smear okay that was the top fbi lawyer james baker

00:14:42.240 he then left the fbi and guess who hired him twitter now this is before uh elon musk

00:14:53.000 now we know from the twitter file disclosure that james baker now twitter's top lawyer helped suppress

00:15:02.740 the hunter biden laptop story so he went from the fbi to twitter to help shape all of the news that you

00:15:10.840 would get off of twitter but wait there's more when musk tried to release the file showing how twitter

00:15:17.300 suppressed the story baker intercepted the evidence to vet what was about to be released we're talking

00:15:27.700 real time here gang was it to take out the parts that showed the fbi was involved musk this week

00:15:38.620 was not amused and fired james baker but don't be surprised if he goes right back to the fbi

00:15:46.460 or to facebook or to google or to amazon the twitter files show how outside political actors usually from

00:15:56.620 the left have a far too friendly relationship with big tech and these companies are all too willing to do

00:16:04.460 their bidding we knew all of this already it was obvious but it is truly remarkable to see in their own

00:16:14.720 emails because it leads one to ask the question what is the difference between china and the soviet union

00:16:22.460 and us

00:16:23.660 here's the bad news the difference is that the people of the soviet union and china

00:16:30.660 had this kind of behavior forced on them today silicon valley and the media do it voluntarily

00:16:40.460 for the bright future

00:16:44.860 this is the best of the glenbeck program

00:16:51.860 mitt romney yesterday voiced his support for a carbon tax in order to help combat climate change

00:17:03.320 so we got that going for us yeah and remember romney runs again in 2024

00:17:10.300 well the problem of course is he's he there's no way to change that i mean he's he's got the

00:17:16.200 nomination already he's running no he's running again so he would have to win a primary he no he

00:17:21.840 just have to run and then lose in the primary no well in the primary yeah i guess you would

00:17:28.440 somebody would have to yeah yeah you're going to lose to the democrat yeah yeah you're going to

00:17:32.640 lose to a republican because i think he'll lose to both he may i will say this is the type of race

00:17:39.000 that conservatives should be focusing on look susan collins is susan collins we know she kind 0.90

00:17:46.620 of sucks she's also in maine and you know maybe that's the best we can do in maine right now 0.97

00:17:53.380 we got to work long term to make sure we change the minds of people who live in maine and maybe a lot

00:17:58.140 of people need to move to maine that are more sane than the typical people who are in maine i love you

00:18:02.620 maine but you know what i'm talking about uh everyone in maine's like yeah i know i know i live right

00:18:06.640 around all those people but like susan collins might be as good as we can do in maine i can tell

00:18:12.340 you this mitt romney is not as good as we could do in utah no we can do much much better in utah we

00:18:20.720 can have an actual conservative in utah but he is we do have an actual conservative in utah his name

00:18:26.960 is mike lee no but this conservative real deep conservative believes in a carbon tax a carbon

00:18:33.260 tax yeah so that's gonna be those words come through a carbon tax something proposed by barack

00:18:43.820 obama that couldn't get through now he of course famously lost to barack obama at that time he was

00:18:51.220 saying a carbon tax was a bad idea no now it's good now it's a good idea everyone in utah should be

00:18:57.580 thinking about who look around sean reyes sean reyes it seems like he would be sean reyes he's

00:19:04.320 not announced a run we should be clear or is that ah yeah i'm sure he has i don't think he has i'm

00:19:09.140 pretty sure he would be a pretty good candidate though i will tell you here's a guy who's been i'm

00:19:12.960 drafting him yes he's already announced you know i don't think that's how this works exactly but he

00:19:18.140 this is a guy who's fought a lot of really important battles that maybe you haven't heard about i don't

00:19:22.740 know how familiar are people in utah of sean reyes oh i think a well-known figure there we know him

00:19:28.460 because we run in very nerdy circles yeah we we know the attorney generals right yeah we've

00:19:34.340 interviewed like 80 of them there's only 50 states we've interviewed 80 of them somehow but like you

00:19:39.220 know sean reyes stands out as one of the best in the country yeah and he seems like to me at least to

00:19:45.580 be a really good candidate to go in there and defeat mitt romney in a primary amazing to have

00:19:52.400 a partner to mike lee one that understands the constitution and then the other guy who's known

00:20:00.080 as a fighter that just goes in and just bulldozes and knows how to get things done be nice to have

00:20:07.620 those two but uh or you can have your carbon tax with mitt romney um i want to talk a little bit

00:20:13.860 about i want to talk a little bit about the energy department official who we all know as sam brinton

00:20:22.160 uh they them by the way those are his pronouns oh did i say his that those are their pronouns uh

00:20:30.280 and uh he has um he's already been you know uh put on hiatus from the energy department because he

00:20:40.420 stole a woman's suitcase uh he went to the airport got onto a plane didn't check any luggage then

00:20:48.900 went got some luggage looked at the tag ripped the tag off and left well he's done a one-time thing

00:20:57.260 no he's no he's oh no no he's done it again yeah they've done it again they've done it again oops

00:21:03.840 i wonder which one of them is the mastermind ah maybe that's the thing maybe you could just

00:21:09.240 can you blame the other gender it wasn't me it was them if you're gender fluid can you say actually

00:21:14.080 that was the male me who did that and you're currently talking to the female me which you

00:21:18.420 cannot imprison for that charge exactly right exactly right so uh he's done it again and um

00:21:24.720 they've asked now the republicans because they're so extremist they have called for britain to step down

00:21:30.280 um and uh you know it's just because of his pronouns i'm sure that's the only reason

00:21:38.500 well there's also this um this is from the website lgbtqnation.com my home page has sam brinton's

00:21:49.380 story always been too good to be true yes sam brinton i'm not listen to this listen this is amazing

00:21:56.700 this is from an lgbtq person a non-binary lgbtq plus activist an outspoken uh opponent

00:22:04.840 of conversion therapy has been charged with felony theft they allegedly stole a woman's suitcase worth

00:22:12.620 2325 from carousel minneapolis uh airport he's a nuclear expert at the department of energy before

00:22:20.040 being suspended from their duties has a december 19th hearing they face up to five years of imprisonment

00:22:26.640 criminal case blah blah blah the writer goes on to say sam brinton burst onto the scene october 1st

00:22:33.800 2010 in a riveting two-part interview with i'm from driftwood they revealed the most shocking i remember

00:22:41.480 we all remember where we were when that two-part interview came out and it was riveting well i'm

00:22:47.080 riveting as avatar yeah wait it revealed the most shocking conversion story activists had heard since

00:22:54.640 the 1960s it involved britain coming out to his to their parents at the age of 11 and their father

00:23:02.600 reacting with a swiss swift punch to their face my dad just started punching it was the first day that

00:23:08.780 i was sent to the emergency room because i had fallen down the stairs i was sent to the emergency room

00:23:14.740 about six more times from falling down the stairs or tripping on the sidewalk i'm in this constant state

00:23:20.200 of fear he claimed they claimed my dad also held a gun up to my head multiple times brinton says that

00:23:28.700 he was then sent to a cruel and sadistic a sadistic florida conversion therapist who they saw for two or

00:23:36.500 three years although the author points out his timeline periodically changes depending on the media

00:23:44.020 interview britain alleges this practitioner used aversion therapy which includes sessions where

00:23:49.760 they were tortured with extreme heat ice and needles um we then went into the mouth of hell he alleged

00:23:57.020 the the or the month of hell the month of hell consisted of tiny needles being stuck into my fingers

00:24:03.660 and then pictures of explicit acts between men would be shown and i would be electrocuted

00:24:08.820 wow yeah it's quite it's a riveting tale that happened boy we need to get that we need to get that

00:24:15.200 conversion to be made arrested well that's what this particular lgbtq person was saying because

00:24:23.700 she's one of the activists that try to stop conversion therapy and this is really really bad

00:24:32.040 um and there's more to it but i'm just gonna leave it as an lgbtq plus activist fighting against

00:24:40.560 conversion theory therapy with my organization truth wins out and the author of anything but

00:24:45.760 straight i'm asking lies blah blah blah i had hoped to work with britain to expose the harm of conversion

00:24:51.180 therapy uh i excitedly reached out to brinton and they were oddly inaccessible communicating indirectly

00:24:58.300 through an intermediary uh in the boston area um yeah uh i just asked a simple question who was

00:25:06.700 your conversion therapist and in which facility did the therapy occur seemed like pretty critical

00:25:14.600 um questions and the answers would be critical first to share brinton's story we had to verify if it

00:25:22.060 was true second brinton's testimony involved a torture center where hideous abuses were presumably

00:25:27.760 still occurring against children at uh as at least as young as 11 well

00:25:36.120 he was uh he he was unavailable to comment and uh that you know it was weird um that nobody else was

00:25:47.200 reporting this and and he wouldn't say that then he said he's not able to comment because he when he

00:25:56.800 tries to dig in deeper to the memories of that time i simply don't have his name i can picture him

00:26:05.160 clear as a day in my nightmares but his name is not there wow so he was in a very fragile state

00:26:14.740 so why is he going around different media places and different uh legislatures lawmakers

00:26:23.020 and what were they were they exploiting him putting his mental health at risk

00:26:30.920 she writes to believe brinton one would have to suspend reality and buy the explanation that

00:26:36.860 they couldn't recall the name of the therapist for over two years i sat on a couch and endured

00:26:42.800 emotionally painful sessions does this even sound plausible or is brinton more concerned about

00:26:48.160 keeping their story unverifiable also wonders one wonders how brinton can recall vibrant unusually

00:26:54.580 specific details about the therapy experience but not the identity of the therapist one striking

00:27:00.960 instance uh instance um brinton told nbc news there were seven king james bibles on a stack on a coffee table

00:27:08.600 i checked with a top expert conversion therapy in orlando region region he said that no known conversion

00:27:16.020 office in a strip mall existed he was talking about that uh during the years that brinton attended

00:27:22.200 therapy after the airport incident i called brinton's mother peggy joe brinton oh she told me her child

00:27:30.940 had attended therapy but it was not conversion therapy she refused to provide the name of the mystery

00:27:37.600 counselor but added i do love sam dearly for the record she also denied that sam was physically abused or

00:27:45.240 attempted suicide of course let's not deny there's compelling interest in refuting these serious

00:27:50.240 allegations exactly right uh britain said i can picture him as clearly as a day in my nightmares

00:27:56.700 every day if that's true she writes why hasn't britain tried to identify this monster by finding his

00:28:04.140 picture online after all how many conversion therapists are there in orlando um have they ever

00:28:10.680 reached out to experts in the region to help find this abomination uh who is presumably still preying

00:28:17.860 on children other holes in his story have emerged in some versions brinton claims that they went to a

00:28:24.700 florida therapist yet the des moines register reports that they began a series of out-of-state

00:28:31.420 treatments which is it he also reports sam specifies this according to lgbtq nation

00:28:39.680 uh sam specifies their counselor was a religious therapist and not a doctor yet britain penned in

00:28:46.640 2014 for the national center for lesbian rights the described they described their counselor as a

00:28:52.320 psychotherapist the same year they told the un's committee against torture in switzerland when i was

00:28:58.540 a child a licensed psychotherapist tried and failed to change something i never chose so when britain was

00:29:05.620 trying to specifically ban licensed conversion therapists from practicing they suddenly upgraded the

00:29:11.880 credentials of their mystery therapist interesting this story goes on and and what her point is is that

00:29:21.060 he has discredited the lgbtq community and everyone in the community knew that there were problems with

00:29:30.000 his story but they just wanted to believe they wanted it to be true so bad needed it to be true

00:29:38.020 that always is and everybody out there right or left should check your bias when you go into a story

00:29:44.640 when a story seems too good to be true make sure it's not because you want it to be true so much

00:29:48.820 i feel like we do that all the time the left does not seem to do it at all i will tell you that um

00:29:53.340 all of this everything that is false will fall apart and you're seeing the beginnings of it now

00:30:01.000 you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program

00:30:06.640 jefferson morley joins us now hello jefferson how are you sir i'm very good thanks for having me um i am uh

00:30:18.220 i'm thrilled to have you on i i don't understand what it is that they are still protecting

00:30:24.660 after 60 years

00:30:26.820 well there's the big picture and there's the little picture the big picture is there's about

00:30:33.160 16 000 u.s government documents that contain some redactions ranging from a word a name to a paragraph

00:30:40.800 to a whole page 16 000 different documents most of those held by the cia and fbi so we're going to

00:30:48.480 some portion of those will be released next week and then very specifically people ask me people at

00:30:55.560 the mary farrell foundation at the jfk facts uh substack where i write what are you know what

00:31:02.260 what are they hiding specifically and what they're hiding is what they've hidden all along

00:31:07.360 which is the interest of cia officers in lee harvey oswald the man who was accused of killing

00:31:14.860 kennedy the interest in him before president kennedy was killed that's the story that's here it's a

00:31:21.800 very sensitive story and the cia is loathed to surrender okay so hang on just a second it is not

00:31:27.600 necessarily that he the cia contracted him to kill kennedy it's that the cia was involved with him

00:31:36.160 three months before and had him running operations for them right they were using him for intelligence

00:31:44.540 purposes what's called psychological warfare which can mean a wide variety of of things but

00:31:51.280 they what we from from the available record what we see is that we see what's called a co-intel pro

00:31:58.200 style operation you know what co-intel pro explain it for the listeners so co-intel pro is um was a

00:32:05.740 joint cia fbi program which was in effect from the late 50s to the early 70s and under co-intel pro the

00:32:13.100 fbi or the cia would secretly use tactics to harass disrupt destroy groups that were considered

00:32:23.200 subversive leftist you know uh martin luther king's southern christian leadership conference socialist

00:32:29.960 workers party for leftist groups that were officially considered subversive fbi director

00:32:36.620 j edgar hoover cia counterintelligence chief james angleton they wanted to suppress these groups harass

00:32:42.660 them get rid of them and so what seems to have been going on was a cia operation against an organization

00:32:49.840 called the fair play for cuba committee a leftist group to which oswald belonged that's where he was

00:32:57.160 being used for intelligence purposes you know is this operation evidence of a conspiracy you know

00:33:05.900 we don't know it might be just incompetence you know maybe they ran an operation and then this guy

00:33:11.100 oswald up and shot the president that part we can't tell without getting all of the records but

00:33:16.780 some things going on and what they're hiding is their pre-assassination interest in oswald does it

00:33:23.840 does it strike you as um we are living the same kind of history right now

00:33:31.080 what um tell me more about you know the comparison we have the cia and fbi involved in all kinds of

00:33:42.920 things like at twitter to silence people to go after groups the fbi is being used as a weapon

00:33:51.180 the intelligence departments are also being used as uh as weapons uh and it's go ahead okay i mean uh

00:34:00.760 i mean glad if we're talking about the january 6 insurrection i know yeah and cia response has been

00:34:07.180 not inappropriate so yeah no i'm not i'm not talking about the january 6 i'm talking about things that

00:34:14.020 have been going on for a while just even look at that what was uh released with twitter and the fbi's

00:34:20.240 involvement in twitter and the hunter biden laptop etc etc i mean i don't know how the hunter biden

00:34:27.380 laptop story is relevant to the jfk story i do know what i'm talking about here and you know i don't

00:34:34.040 want the jfk story to get wrapped up in contemporary politics the people who want the truth from the

00:34:40.060 government on this issue are up from the left left people like me people in the center people who

00:34:47.360 support president trump across the political spectrum there's wide support for this so i don't

00:34:52.760 want to get involved in a polemic about hunter biden's laptop and this is just like that the

00:34:57.560 jfk story is unique in and of itself i want to focus on that because it's a very important story that

00:35:02.720 we're coming to see i guess i yeah i i understand your point of view and i agree with you it's smart

00:35:09.880 to do that i actually i didn't mean it to uh i didn't mean it to pull you into politics but i guess

00:35:16.500 it was it was a question well i mean it's a fair question yeah it's a fair question yeah but i think

00:35:22.120 it's it's a little bit of a sideshow and i'd rather talk about something we agree about rather than

00:35:28.620 something we understand so um what is it that you're looking for that will be possibly released

00:35:34.920 or held um the we're looking at the personnel files of cia officers who knew about oswald before

00:35:44.940 the assassination and these remain classified so we're trying to understand how cia operations

00:35:51.080 worked in 1963 and the documents that we're seeking are known they have been identified by

00:35:58.560 the cia as concerning things like intelligence methods cover travel and this i think will give

00:36:06.220 more detail to what was going on with these cia officers and oswald in the course of 1963

00:36:12.580 do you have any doubt that oswald did it and did it for his own personal desires

00:36:21.180 uh yes i do i i don't think that lee harvey oswald was the intellectual author of kennedy's death

00:36:29.260 i don't think that i might have fired a gun um i think he knew what was going on but he was not

00:36:35.520 this was bigger than oswald and i think that the the the records that we're seeking will shed light

00:36:43.440 on this was did oswald slip past all these cia guys who were paying close attention to him

00:36:48.980 in the summer and fall of 1963 or was there something else going on where people were

00:36:54.960 actually manipulating oswald to make him be what he said he was a patsy and what was the cia's

00:37:03.380 motivation you know i um i think that we need to understand the depth of hostility to the kennedy

00:37:13.540 presidency in the upper levels of the pentagon and the cia in 1963 i think that there were people

00:37:19.640 who were very afraid of kennedy's policies on vietnam and cuba and regarded them as a threat

00:37:25.200 to national security a danger that had to be dealt with uh you know by extreme means that's you know

00:37:32.740 that's my opinion there is other interpretations that's why we need to see all the records but yeah

00:37:40.580 that's my best guess okay so you you also wrote the book and just released the book on uh the what

00:37:46.960 is it the scorpion scorpion's dance yes yeah about the cia and watergate correct can you go into that

00:37:54.140 just a little bit so scorpion's dance tells the story of the very complex relationship between

00:38:00.380 president richard nixon 35th president and richard helms the eighth director of the cia

00:38:07.320 these men were both you know very powerful men from the mid-1950s to the mid-1970s helms as a rising

00:38:15.480 officer and eventually director of the cia and nixon as you know vice president as a lawyer uh super

00:38:24.420 lawyer and as president so they have this very complex relationship because they're very very

00:38:31.180 different men nixon this humble striver from the west coast helms is the very picture of an

00:38:37.240 east coast you know aristocrat but they managed to get along through nixon's first term and then

00:38:43.640 comes watergate and so their relationship is tested because all of those watergate burglars worked for

00:38:50.220 the cia or six of the seven right so so the book examines sort of what how how watergate culminated

00:38:58.520 in these two men's career how it erupted and how they really they were both brought down by it

00:39:05.160 um nixon was forced to resign and helms eventually was forced to plead guilty to obstructing congress

00:39:11.860 and um it was the only cia director ever convicted of a crime so scorpion's dance is the story of those

00:39:19.440 two men nixon and helms so out of that came the church commission right right and have we effectively

00:39:28.560 cleaned it cleaned it out is is the oversight there because this you know when you have

00:39:36.360 unchecked spooky kind of power it's good and it can be bad and you're not sure how you know most people

00:39:46.440 don't even know who the head of the cia is right now right um you know the church committee was the

00:39:52.880 first effort of congress to kind of rein in the cia cut their budget hold them accountable um that's

00:39:59.420 when the senate and house intelligence committees were created and sort of the knowledge of what was

00:40:05.060 going on in the world of intelligence was distributed a little more widely in the washington leadership it

00:40:10.240 wasn't just concentrated in the cia director now there's what's called the gang of eight which is the

00:40:16.400 house and senate leadership the eight top officials in congress are also have the are cleared to see any

00:40:24.920 covert operations that's being undertaken by the u.s government now we don't that system of oversight is

00:40:31.260 not very strong it's been divided on um you know partisan lines in recent years and i mean yes we do not

00:40:41.300 have strong oversight of the intelligence committee community and that's a problem um jefferson will you

00:40:48.720 do me a favor if something comes out next week when is this supposed to be released well um the deadline

00:40:55.780 set by president biden last year is december 15th so next thursday we expect that the archives will

00:41:04.080 start depositing who's the biggest obstructor of this is it the cia

00:41:09.980 by far about about 80 percent of the remaining documents that have redactions are cia documents

00:41:17.740 so they are the agency that is most aggressive in asking for discontinued secrecy and trump tried to

00:41:26.200 get it released biden says it needs to be released no no no no no no actually that that's that's wrong

00:41:32.380 going to admit it trump said it should be released said it was released unfortunately he lied

00:41:39.080 and he caved to the cia in december 17th wow down the road four years um to biden so biden got the

00:41:48.800 question last year what do we do with these jfk documents and the cia and the federal agency said

00:41:54.580 the covid dog ate my homework you know we couldn't do it because of the pandemic right so biden said okay

00:42:00.700 you have another year so now we're at biden's second deadline okay well i i go ahead biden acquiesced and

00:42:10.420 now hopefully biden will do the right thing okay uh jefferson morley thank you so much uh and uh if

00:42:16.840 there's something in there i'd love to talk to you again uh about what you find thank you we'll be in

00:42:22.040 touch you bet take care bye-bye

The Glenn Beck Program - December 09, 2022

Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Jefferson Morley ｜ 12⧸9⧸22

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