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Glenn and I discuss the latest release of the second set of files found by Elon Musk regarding the scandalous activities of the FBI in the case of Britney Griner and her co-conspirators.
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welcome to the podcast today glenn is back yes the voice is pretty much there the throat's a
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little sore it looks like uh but we he's here he's back in the saddle a great return today we
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had we talked about uh twitter and all the twitter files that are out there and the fbi involvement
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britney griner and her trade we traded a center for a terrorist stew may i just say that i can
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make a case for leaving the marine behind and taking the woman right and making sure because
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she's probably in much more danger than the former marine sure in prison you can make that case um
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however if i make that case that it would be the chivalrous thing to do to bring her over and leave
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the marine um i don't think her or her allies would like that very much which is strange
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that i'd be called a monster for saying that what a weird world we live in yes we get into all that
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on today's podcast uh by the way don't forget to subscribe to the podcast also students america
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we're going to be doing uh our next power hour the christmas party 2022 power i will say this glenn
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we've got the power hour going on which ends usually in a very messy situation right right vomiting yes
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it's usually that after that is the actual real christmas party for the company so would you
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recommend the participants come to the actual christmas party because you could say it's good
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prep you're you're already i think you're doing yes yes and you're doing it on your own dime
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right so okay you're open bar and you won't want any of it so i think that's i think that's great
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so elon musk has uh released the second set of twitter files now there is a caveat to that and
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i'll give it to you here in just a second but uh gave him to barry weiss and barry weiss uh formerly
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with the new york times and not a conservative um but not somebody who is crazy either uh decided to
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um you know she she was given the files and she outlined it pretty well on twitter one new twitter
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files investigation reveals that teams of twitter employees built blacklists prevented to save
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disfavored tweets from trending and actively limited the visibility of entire accounts or even trending
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topics all in secret without informing users so in other words everything that we said that was going
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on was going on twitter once had a mission to give everyone the power to create and share ideas
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and information instantly without barriers along the way barriers nevertheless were erected three
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take for example stanford's dr jay i can't pronounce his name who argued what is it bacharya bacharya bacharya
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who argued that covid lockdowns would harm children twitter secretly placed him on a trends blacklist
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which prevented his tweets from trending four or we should point out she's posting the screenshots of
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this like you can see on his account it says trends blacklist like they have these little recent abuse strike
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strike count and then trends blacklist this is something that they denied doing over and over and
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over again they not only denied it the media covered up for it but this as the media is now telling us
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is old news oh this is old i guess in a way or consider the popular right-wing talk show host don
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dan bongino who at one point was slapped with a search blacklist so you couldn't search him
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twitter set the account of conservative activists charlie kirk to do not amplify and again all the
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screenshots are there twitter denied that it does such things in 2018 uh twitter's head of legal policy
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and trust and the head of product said we don't shadow ban and we certainly don't shadow ban based on
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political viewpoints or ideology hmm looks like they were lying what many people call shadow banning twitter
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executives employees call visibility filtering not orwellian at all no um think about visibility
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filtering barry rice white writes as a way for us to suppress what people see to different levels it's a
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very powerful tool this is one senior twitter twitter employee uh vf refers to twitter's control over
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visibility it used vf to block searches of individual users to limit the scope of a particular
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tweets discoverability to block select users posts from ever appearing on trending page and from inclusion
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in hashtag searches um all without the user's knowledge we control visibility quite a bit and we control
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the amplification of your content quite a bit and normal people do not know how much we do one twitter
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engineer told us um the group that decided whether to limit the reach of certain users was the strategic
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response team or the global escalation team uh they often often handled up to 200 cases a day
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but there existed a level beyond official ticketing beyond the rank and file moderators following the
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company's policy on paper and that is the site integrity policy and policy escalation support
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this secret group head of legal policy and trust and global head of trust and safety subsequent ceos
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jack dorsey and parag whatever his name is and others uh barry weiss said this is the biggest most
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politically sensitive decisions that were made think higher follower account controversial another twitter
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employee told us these uh for these there would be no ticketing or anything so they did not want the rest of
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the company even knowing they were doing this they wanted this to be kind of their own little pathway to
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censorship and let's just remember when jack got on to hannity and he was like we don't do any of this
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yeah i can promise you we don't do it to be fair to jack himself some of these files are showing that
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he wasn't even consulted on this stuff like they were other other levels of employees doing it wasn't
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necessarily going to him yeah he seems to be an elon must supporter by the way yeah i know he does so i
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know he is and elon supports uh jack yeah he seems to be it's it seems to be the culture was the big
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problem this is what i said about um zuckerberg zuckerberg is either completely out of the loop
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and has no idea what's happening in his own company or he's a fantastic liar and i i'm not sure what it
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is i mean i don't think he's a fantastic liar um but uh uh i i'm not sure it's like jack i'm not sure if
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he really knows what's going on in his own company if you believe the jack story um the account um
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let's see here where was i i think you're in 16 oh i'm in 16 one of the accounts that rose to this
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level of scrutiny of was libs of tiktok an account that was on the trends blacklist and it was designated
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as do not take action on user without consulting with the higher group the account uh now boasts over
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1.4 million followers was subject to six suspensions in 2022 alone or 20 yeah 2022 alone each time they
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were blocked from posting for as long as a week twitter repeatedly informed the libs of tiktok
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that they had been suspended for violating twitter's policy against hateful conduct uh content and conduct
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but in an internal memo from october 2022 after their seventh suspension the committee
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acknowledged that libs of tiktok had not directly engaged in behavior uh violative of the hateful
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conduct policy that's incredible i mean and here it is i mean there's the email they have the email
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uh and basically they're saying they suspended her for no reason right like at least no no formal
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reason no reason that that that was identified in their rules yeah they came up with a new one right
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the committee justified her suspensions internally by claiming her post encouraged online harassment of
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hospitals and medical providers um by insinuating that gender-affirming health care is equivalent to
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child abuse or grooming compare this to what happened when uh she was doxed the libs of tiktok uh poster
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um november 21st 2022 a photo of her home and address was posted in a tweet that had garnered more
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than 10 000 likes when uh libs of tiktok told twitter that the address had been disseminated
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um she says twitter support responded with this message we reviewed the report content didn't find
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it to be in violation of the twitter rules no action was taking taken the docs tweet is still up
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still still i wonder if elon will take care of that one today i would hope uh in internal slack
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messages twitter employees spoke of using technicalities to restrict the visibility of tweets and
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subjects here's yoel roth uh twitter's then global head of trust and safety in a direct message to a
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colleague um si has uh technically spam enforcements as a way to solve i can't read the whole thing
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solve a problem created by safety under and under enforcing their policies which again isn't a problem
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per se but it keeps us from addressing the root cause of the issue which is that our safety policies
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needs some attention six days later direct message with an employee on health misinformation privacy
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and identity research team roth requested more research uh to support expanding non-removal policy
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interventions like disabling engagements and de-amplification visibility filtering these are all
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the things that were everybody said under the banner of shadow bans that they denied over and over
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so it just goes on and on but it is uh more of the same everything that we knew now this story you would
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think can't get any worse right well if you remember back in june 23 uh on 2022 um there were a number of
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people that pointed out that twitter was hiring an alarming number of fbi agents um and this is
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something we pointed out in a special just recently uh that all of them are doing this the revolving door
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from the fbi to amazon to google to uh zuckerberg's facebook and to twitter is astounding one of the guys
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i'm thinking about an old poster a propaganda poster from the soviet union
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vladimir lenin stands in front of a giant red soviet emblem with his right arm stretching forward
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and the caption reads to the bright future of communist society universal prosperity and enduring peace
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the words to the bright future would be good would be used to uh by some uh at the politburo policy
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officials in the kgb as an excuse when they asserted their heavy hand on their people you don't like
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reporting nothing but propaganda and lies in the soviet media media don't worry it's for your safety
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to the bright future you don't want your family member go to the re-education camp to the bright future
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for others all the people suffering under communist control the phrase became a sort of coping
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mechanism sure this all sucks but to the bright future now soviets did that because the ends justify
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the means they had a plan the bright future and that that allowed them to justify anything
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we see this happening everywhere now think about that the next time you use a phone that was made by
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a product you're using can be used to support chinese national intelligence work
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but it's not just chinese russian it is also americans the fbi is the political commissar the
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commissars they admitted recently to holding regular meetings with all of the big social media companies
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they maintain quote relationships and met weekly mark zuckerberg gave a hint on a joe rogan podcast that
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some of the meetings uh contained information that uh would uh warn them against things like the hunter
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biden laptop now they knew it wasn't russian propaganda so why was the fbi feeding misinformation
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to social media companies we know the fbi didn't want donald trump to become president because we saw
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that when an fbi lawyer was caught falsifying evidence in order to get a fisa warrant to spy on the trump
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campaign carter page and nothing happened to him speaking of fbi lawyers it was the fbi's top lawyer james baker
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that helped facilitate the meeting between the democratic operative michael suspen and the fbi investigators
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to look into the bogus trump alpha bank smear okay that was the top fbi lawyer james baker
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he then left the fbi and guess who hired him twitter now this is before uh elon musk
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now we know from the twitter file disclosure that james baker now twitter's top lawyer helped suppress
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the hunter biden laptop story so he went from the fbi to twitter to help shape all of the news that you
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would get off of twitter but wait there's more when musk tried to release the file showing how twitter
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suppressed the story baker intercepted the evidence to vet what was about to be released we're talking
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real time here gang was it to take out the parts that showed the fbi was involved musk this week
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was not amused and fired james baker but don't be surprised if he goes right back to the fbi
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or to facebook or to google or to amazon the twitter files show how outside political actors usually from
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the left have a far too friendly relationship with big tech and these companies are all too willing to do
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their bidding we knew all of this already it was obvious but it is truly remarkable to see in their own
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emails because it leads one to ask the question what is the difference between china and the soviet union
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here's the bad news the difference is that the people of the soviet union and china
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had this kind of behavior forced on them today silicon valley and the media do it voluntarily
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mitt romney yesterday voiced his support for a carbon tax in order to help combat climate change
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so we got that going for us yeah and remember romney runs again in 2024
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well the problem of course is he's he there's no way to change that i mean he's he's got the
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nomination already he's running no he's running again so he would have to win a primary he no he
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just have to run and then lose in the primary no well in the primary yeah i guess you would
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somebody would have to yeah yeah you're going to lose to the democrat yeah yeah you're going to
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lose to a republican because i think he'll lose to both he may i will say this is the type of race
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that conservatives should be focusing on look susan collins is susan collins we know she kind
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of sucks she's also in maine and you know maybe that's the best we can do in maine right now
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we got to work long term to make sure we change the minds of people who live in maine and maybe a lot
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of people need to move to maine that are more sane than the typical people who are in maine i love you
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maine but you know what i'm talking about uh everyone in maine's like yeah i know i know i live right
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around all those people but like susan collins might be as good as we can do in maine i can tell
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you this mitt romney is not as good as we could do in utah no we can do much much better in utah we
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can have an actual conservative in utah but he is we do have an actual conservative in utah his name
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is mike lee no but this conservative real deep conservative believes in a carbon tax a carbon
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tax yeah so that's gonna be those words come through a carbon tax something proposed by barack
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obama that couldn't get through now he of course famously lost to barack obama at that time he was
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saying a carbon tax was a bad idea no now it's good now it's a good idea everyone in utah should be
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thinking about who look around sean reyes sean reyes it seems like he would be sean reyes he's
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not announced a run we should be clear or is that ah yeah i'm sure he has i don't think he has i'm
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pretty sure he would be a pretty good candidate though i will tell you here's a guy who's been i'm
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drafting him yes he's already announced you know i don't think that's how this works exactly but he
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this is a guy who's fought a lot of really important battles that maybe you haven't heard about i don't
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know how familiar are people in utah of sean reyes oh i think a well-known figure there we know him
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because we run in very nerdy circles yeah we we know the attorney generals right yeah we've
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interviewed like 80 of them there's only 50 states we've interviewed 80 of them somehow but like you
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know sean reyes stands out as one of the best in the country yeah and he seems like to me at least to
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be a really good candidate to go in there and defeat mitt romney in a primary amazing to have
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a partner to mike lee one that understands the constitution and then the other guy who's known
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as a fighter that just goes in and just bulldozes and knows how to get things done be nice to have
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those two but uh or you can have your carbon tax with mitt romney um i want to talk a little bit
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about i want to talk a little bit about the energy department official who we all know as sam brinton
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uh they them by the way those are his pronouns oh did i say his that those are their pronouns uh
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and uh he has um he's already been you know uh put on hiatus from the energy department because he
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stole a woman's suitcase uh he went to the airport got onto a plane didn't check any luggage then
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went got some luggage looked at the tag ripped the tag off and left well he's done a one-time thing
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no he's no he's oh no no he's done it again yeah they've done it again they've done it again oops
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i wonder which one of them is the mastermind ah maybe that's the thing maybe you could just
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can you blame the other gender it wasn't me it was them if you're gender fluid can you say actually
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that was the male me who did that and you're currently talking to the female me which you
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cannot imprison for that charge exactly right exactly right so uh he's done it again and um
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they've asked now the republicans because they're so extremist they have called for britain to step down
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um and uh you know it's just because of his pronouns i'm sure that's the only reason
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well there's also this um this is from the website lgbtqnation.com my home page has sam brinton's
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story always been too good to be true yes sam brinton i'm not listen to this listen this is amazing
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this is from an lgbtq person a non-binary lgbtq plus activist an outspoken uh opponent
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of conversion therapy has been charged with felony theft they allegedly stole a woman's suitcase worth
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2325 from carousel minneapolis uh airport he's a nuclear expert at the department of energy before
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being suspended from their duties has a december 19th hearing they face up to five years of imprisonment
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criminal case blah blah blah the writer goes on to say sam brinton burst onto the scene october 1st
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2010 in a riveting two-part interview with i'm from driftwood they revealed the most shocking i remember
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we all remember where we were when that two-part interview came out and it was riveting well i'm
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riveting as avatar yeah wait it revealed the most shocking conversion story activists had heard since
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the 1960s it involved britain coming out to his to their parents at the age of 11 and their father
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reacting with a swiss swift punch to their face my dad just started punching it was the first day that
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i was sent to the emergency room because i had fallen down the stairs i was sent to the emergency room
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about six more times from falling down the stairs or tripping on the sidewalk i'm in this constant state
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of fear he claimed they claimed my dad also held a gun up to my head multiple times brinton says that
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he was then sent to a cruel and sadistic a sadistic florida conversion therapist who they saw for two or
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three years although the author points out his timeline periodically changes depending on the media
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interview britain alleges this practitioner used aversion therapy which includes sessions where
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they were tortured with extreme heat ice and needles um we then went into the mouth of hell he alleged
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the the or the month of hell the month of hell consisted of tiny needles being stuck into my fingers
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and then pictures of explicit acts between men would be shown and i would be electrocuted
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wow yeah it's quite it's a riveting tale that happened boy we need to get that we need to get that
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conversion to be made arrested well that's what this particular lgbtq person was saying because
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she's one of the activists that try to stop conversion therapy and this is really really bad
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um and there's more to it but i'm just gonna leave it as an lgbtq plus activist fighting against
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conversion theory therapy with my organization truth wins out and the author of anything but
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straight i'm asking lies blah blah blah i had hoped to work with britain to expose the harm of conversion
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therapy uh i excitedly reached out to brinton and they were oddly inaccessible communicating indirectly
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through an intermediary uh in the boston area um yeah uh i just asked a simple question who was
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your conversion therapist and in which facility did the therapy occur seemed like pretty critical
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um questions and the answers would be critical first to share brinton's story we had to verify if it
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was true second brinton's testimony involved a torture center where hideous abuses were presumably
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still occurring against children at uh as at least as young as 11 well
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he was uh he he was unavailable to comment and uh that you know it was weird um that nobody else was
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reporting this and and he wouldn't say that then he said he's not able to comment because he when he
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tries to dig in deeper to the memories of that time i simply don't have his name i can picture him
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clear as a day in my nightmares but his name is not there wow so he was in a very fragile state
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so why is he going around different media places and different uh legislatures lawmakers
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and what were they were they exploiting him putting his mental health at risk
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she writes to believe brinton one would have to suspend reality and buy the explanation that
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they couldn't recall the name of the therapist for over two years i sat on a couch and endured
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emotionally painful sessions does this even sound plausible or is brinton more concerned about
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keeping their story unverifiable also wonders one wonders how brinton can recall vibrant unusually
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specific details about the therapy experience but not the identity of the therapist one striking
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instance uh instance um brinton told nbc news there were seven king james bibles on a stack on a coffee table
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i checked with a top expert conversion therapy in orlando region region he said that no known conversion
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office in a strip mall existed he was talking about that uh during the years that brinton attended
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therapy after the airport incident i called brinton's mother peggy joe brinton oh she told me her child
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had attended therapy but it was not conversion therapy she refused to provide the name of the mystery
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counselor but added i do love sam dearly for the record she also denied that sam was physically abused or
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attempted suicide of course let's not deny there's compelling interest in refuting these serious
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allegations exactly right uh britain said i can picture him as clearly as a day in my nightmares
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every day if that's true she writes why hasn't britain tried to identify this monster by finding his
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picture online after all how many conversion therapists are there in orlando um have they ever
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reached out to experts in the region to help find this abomination uh who is presumably still preying
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on children other holes in his story have emerged in some versions brinton claims that they went to a
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florida therapist yet the des moines register reports that they began a series of out-of-state
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treatments which is it he also reports sam specifies this according to lgbtq nation
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uh sam specifies their counselor was a religious therapist and not a doctor yet britain penned in
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2014 for the national center for lesbian rights the described they described their counselor as a
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psychotherapist the same year they told the un's committee against torture in switzerland when i was
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a child a licensed psychotherapist tried and failed to change something i never chose so when britain was
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trying to specifically ban licensed conversion therapists from practicing they suddenly upgraded the
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credentials of their mystery therapist interesting this story goes on and and what her point is is that
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he has discredited the lgbtq community and everyone in the community knew that there were problems with
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his story but they just wanted to believe they wanted it to be true so bad needed it to be true
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that always is and everybody out there right or left should check your bias when you go into a story
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when a story seems too good to be true make sure it's not because you want it to be true so much
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i feel like we do that all the time the left does not seem to do it at all i will tell you that um
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all of this everything that is false will fall apart and you're seeing the beginnings of it now
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you're listening to the best of the glenbeck program
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jefferson morley joins us now hello jefferson how are you sir i'm very good thanks for having me um i am uh
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i'm thrilled to have you on i i don't understand what it is that they are still protecting
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well there's the big picture and there's the little picture the big picture is there's about
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16 000 u.s government documents that contain some redactions ranging from a word a name to a paragraph
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to a whole page 16 000 different documents most of those held by the cia and fbi so we're going to
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some portion of those will be released next week and then very specifically people ask me people at
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the mary farrell foundation at the jfk facts uh substack where i write what are you know what
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what are they hiding specifically and what they're hiding is what they've hidden all along
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which is the interest of cia officers in lee harvey oswald the man who was accused of killing
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kennedy the interest in him before president kennedy was killed that's the story that's here it's a
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very sensitive story and the cia is loathed to surrender okay so hang on just a second it is not
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necessarily that he the cia contracted him to kill kennedy it's that the cia was involved with him
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three months before and had him running operations for them right they were using him for intelligence
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purposes what's called psychological warfare which can mean a wide variety of of things but
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they what we from from the available record what we see is that we see what's called a co-intel pro
00:31:58.200
style operation you know what co-intel pro explain it for the listeners so co-intel pro is um was a
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joint cia fbi program which was in effect from the late 50s to the early 70s and under co-intel pro the
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fbi or the cia would secretly use tactics to harass disrupt destroy groups that were considered
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subversive leftist you know uh martin luther king's southern christian leadership conference socialist
00:32:29.960
workers party for leftist groups that were officially considered subversive fbi director
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j edgar hoover cia counterintelligence chief james angleton they wanted to suppress these groups harass
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them get rid of them and so what seems to have been going on was a cia operation against an organization
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called the fair play for cuba committee a leftist group to which oswald belonged that's where he was
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being used for intelligence purposes you know is this operation evidence of a conspiracy you know
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we don't know it might be just incompetence you know maybe they ran an operation and then this guy
00:33:11.100
oswald up and shot the president that part we can't tell without getting all of the records but
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some things going on and what they're hiding is their pre-assassination interest in oswald does it
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does it strike you as um we are living the same kind of history right now
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what um tell me more about you know the comparison we have the cia and fbi involved in all kinds of
00:33:42.920
things like at twitter to silence people to go after groups the fbi is being used as a weapon
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the intelligence departments are also being used as uh as weapons uh and it's go ahead okay i mean uh
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i mean glad if we're talking about the january 6 insurrection i know yeah and cia response has been
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not inappropriate so yeah no i'm not i'm not talking about the january 6 i'm talking about things that
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have been going on for a while just even look at that what was uh released with twitter and the fbi's
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involvement in twitter and the hunter biden laptop etc etc i mean i don't know how the hunter biden
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laptop story is relevant to the jfk story i do know what i'm talking about here and you know i don't
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want the jfk story to get wrapped up in contemporary politics the people who want the truth from the
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government on this issue are up from the left left people like me people in the center people who
00:34:47.360
support president trump across the political spectrum there's wide support for this so i don't
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want to get involved in a polemic about hunter biden's laptop and this is just like that the
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jfk story is unique in and of itself i want to focus on that because it's a very important story that
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we're coming to see i guess i yeah i i understand your point of view and i agree with you it's smart
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to do that i actually i didn't mean it to uh i didn't mean it to pull you into politics but i guess
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it was it was a question well i mean it's a fair question yeah it's a fair question yeah but i think
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it's it's a little bit of a sideshow and i'd rather talk about something we agree about rather than
00:35:28.620
something we understand so um what is it that you're looking for that will be possibly released
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or held um the we're looking at the personnel files of cia officers who knew about oswald before
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the assassination and these remain classified so we're trying to understand how cia operations
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worked in 1963 and the documents that we're seeking are known they have been identified by
00:35:58.560
the cia as concerning things like intelligence methods cover travel and this i think will give
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more detail to what was going on with these cia officers and oswald in the course of 1963
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do you have any doubt that oswald did it and did it for his own personal desires
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uh yes i do i i don't think that lee harvey oswald was the intellectual author of kennedy's death
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i don't think that i might have fired a gun um i think he knew what was going on but he was not
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this was bigger than oswald and i think that the the the records that we're seeking will shed light
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on this was did oswald slip past all these cia guys who were paying close attention to him
00:36:48.980
in the summer and fall of 1963 or was there something else going on where people were
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actually manipulating oswald to make him be what he said he was a patsy and what was the cia's
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motivation you know i um i think that we need to understand the depth of hostility to the kennedy
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presidency in the upper levels of the pentagon and the cia in 1963 i think that there were people
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who were very afraid of kennedy's policies on vietnam and cuba and regarded them as a threat
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to national security a danger that had to be dealt with uh you know by extreme means that's you know
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that's my opinion there is other interpretations that's why we need to see all the records but yeah
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that's my best guess okay so you you also wrote the book and just released the book on uh the what
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is it the scorpion scorpion's dance yes yeah about the cia and watergate correct can you go into that
00:37:54.140
just a little bit so scorpion's dance tells the story of the very complex relationship between
00:38:00.380
president richard nixon 35th president and richard helms the eighth director of the cia
00:38:07.320
these men were both you know very powerful men from the mid-1950s to the mid-1970s helms as a rising
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officer and eventually director of the cia and nixon as you know vice president as a lawyer uh super
00:38:24.420
lawyer and as president so they have this very complex relationship because they're very very
00:38:31.180
different men nixon this humble striver from the west coast helms is the very picture of an
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east coast you know aristocrat but they managed to get along through nixon's first term and then
00:38:43.640
comes watergate and so their relationship is tested because all of those watergate burglars worked for
00:38:50.220
the cia or six of the seven right so so the book examines sort of what how how watergate culminated
00:38:58.520
in these two men's career how it erupted and how they really they were both brought down by it
00:39:05.160
um nixon was forced to resign and helms eventually was forced to plead guilty to obstructing congress
00:39:11.860
and um it was the only cia director ever convicted of a crime so scorpion's dance is the story of those
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two men nixon and helms so out of that came the church commission right right and have we effectively
00:39:28.560
cleaned it cleaned it out is is the oversight there because this you know when you have
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unchecked spooky kind of power it's good and it can be bad and you're not sure how you know most people
00:39:46.440
don't even know who the head of the cia is right now right um you know the church committee was the
00:39:52.880
first effort of congress to kind of rein in the cia cut their budget hold them accountable um that's
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when the senate and house intelligence committees were created and sort of the knowledge of what was
00:40:05.060
going on in the world of intelligence was distributed a little more widely in the washington leadership it
00:40:10.240
wasn't just concentrated in the cia director now there's what's called the gang of eight which is the
00:40:16.400
house and senate leadership the eight top officials in congress are also have the are cleared to see any
00:40:24.920
covert operations that's being undertaken by the u.s government now we don't that system of oversight is
00:40:31.260
not very strong it's been divided on um you know partisan lines in recent years and i mean yes we do not
00:40:41.300
have strong oversight of the intelligence committee community and that's a problem um jefferson will you
00:40:48.720
do me a favor if something comes out next week when is this supposed to be released well um the deadline
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set by president biden last year is december 15th so next thursday we expect that the archives will
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start depositing who's the biggest obstructor of this is it the cia
00:41:09.980
by far about about 80 percent of the remaining documents that have redactions are cia documents
00:41:17.740
so they are the agency that is most aggressive in asking for discontinued secrecy and trump tried to
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get it released biden says it needs to be released no no no no no no actually that that's that's wrong
00:41:32.380
going to admit it trump said it should be released said it was released unfortunately he lied
00:41:39.080
and he caved to the cia in december 17th wow down the road four years um to biden so biden got the
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question last year what do we do with these jfk documents and the cia and the federal agency said
00:41:54.580
the covid dog ate my homework you know we couldn't do it because of the pandemic right so biden said okay
00:42:00.700
you have another year so now we're at biden's second deadline okay well i i go ahead biden acquiesced and
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now hopefully biden will do the right thing okay uh jefferson morley thank you so much uh and uh if
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there's something in there i'd love to talk to you again uh about what you find thank you we'll be in