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Bill O'Reilly and Pat Gray join me on the show today to talk about the bill the House of Representatives are trying to pass for $1 Trillion. We also talk about guns and the coronavirus crisis.
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Welcome to the podcast. Today we have, we look deep into the bill that they're trying to pass for a couple trillion dollars.
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What's in it and what is the process that's going to go forward.
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We have Pat Gray on the program. He is talking about the media and the way they're handling this.
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And Bill O'Reilly gets into that a little bit as well today when he comes on.
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Talk about guns in the coronavirus era. Are they essential? Are gun stores essential businesses?
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And I feel like they are. And we get into a lot more as well.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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If you look at our coronavirus update, every every stat is locked in at 530 in the morning.
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7% of confirmed cases here in the United States, however, do require hospitalization.
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United States of America now leads the world in total confirmed cases.
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We have officially 1,800 official recovered against the 1,300 rounding the numbers off on deaths.
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So the big news yesterday was after terrifying the world governments into committing financial suicide, the U.K. scientist has reduced his death forecast by 95%.
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Now, Stu is the guy that I trust with all of the stats and everything else.
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I asked him at the time that Al Gore came out with his global warming movie.
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I came out of that and I had a pretty good idea of where I stood on it.
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But I said, Stu, I want you to look at these stats, look at these facts, and tear them apart.
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He's pointing out that the lower part of his scale is accurate.
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It's been reported almost everywhere that he recanted his initial 260,000 people were going
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So that would be reasonable to note that difference.
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However, I think part of this is just a reporting issue.
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If you read his study, what he says is he gives two different approaches.
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But the two that we're focusing on, the two approaches were mitigation and suppression.
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Mitigation is sort of like the approach that has been sort of the alternative approach.
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A lot of people on the right have suggested where you would isolation of suspect cases,
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home quarantine of those who are living in the household of suspect cases, social distancing
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So not what we're doing now, but that kind of alternative approach where the elderly and
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Anyone who might have the disease would be isolated, but other people would be able to
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kind of go about things a little bit more normally.
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Suppression is kind of what we're doing now, which is everybody's social distances.
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We isolate the household of people who have it.
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We close universities and everything like that.
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Much closer to what we're doing and what Britain's doing.
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The way I took his comments, and I think is what he's saying, is Britain has now implemented
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So what he's saying is, we've now implemented the thing I thought we should implement, and
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now the death count is going to be a lot lower.
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He's not saying, oopsie doopsie, I said 260 last time, and now it's only 20.
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But Great Britain hadn't, right, but they hadn't really been in that lockdown for more than
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And that's, he's saying that the peak of this would be in two to three weeks, which
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is how long he said the suppression strategy would take to actually go into effect.
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So it is, again, I don't, I'm not defending his analysis here.
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I think he's off base, and I don't believe the worst case scenario.
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He, he is, he's trying to walk this line, which he did outline pretty clearly in the
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I still think, I mean, I, we said this from the very beginning.
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One, you know, I think his estimates are, you know, sky is falling type estimates, but
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I'm sure he knows more about it than I do, obviously.
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Secondarily, though, there's a real problem with us and the entire world seemingly basing all
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And I think what we've, it just, it's just, you know, anybody, even if, you know, like
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the most honest person with, with the most information might not be right.
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And you can don't blame these things usually on one model.
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And it seems to be this model is what scared the hell out of everybody, which is why we
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But to his point, I don't think he recanted it.
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It really goes to show how we have to be so careful.
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You know, we were looking at these models for global warming, uh, guys, this one, we
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at least know right away and we can pull back and adjust global warming.
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We could spend ourselves into oblivion and have absolutely no idea the effects none because
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they keep moving the goalposts and keep saying, well, you know, what we did there, that, that
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And so it's not going to happen for another 25 years.
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So we're, we're going to have to keep pushing on.
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I mean, you, you just don't know, at least with this one, we'll know, but it, it shows
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And as I said before, and I, I want to make clear on this, I don't believe that this virus
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and nor have I ever believed this virus was going to be as deadly as everybody worried.
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I have been worried about overwhelming the healthcare system.
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We don't want to overwhelm the healthcare system.
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If we do that, we're into a whole nother kettle of fish that we just don't want to get into.
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However, as I started to see what it's taking now, $6 trillion, and I think it's actually
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more than that with what the Fed has done before this, this is just $6 trillion between
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I bet we're closer to $10 trillion with everything that's been put into this.
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And we've got to go back to work to be able to pay for some of this stuff.
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Now, let me go back to England here for a second.
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Government guidelines and everybody separate, including Boris Johnson.
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But Boris Johnson now has confirmed he has tested positive for COVID-19.
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Over the last 24 hours, he said, I've developed mild symptoms and tested positive for coronavirus.
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I'm now self-isolating, but I'll continue to lead the government response via video conference
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And in one of the most irresponsible things I've ever seen, news from Mexico, and this
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should concern every single American, because Mexicans are going to pay for this and they
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are going to start making a run for our border and overwhelm our health care system.
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And nobody's going to stand up against that in Congress, and they should.
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And it's going to cost us, possibly our health care system, if we don't guard against it.
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The governor of the central Mexican state of Puebla told reporters yesterday, you ready?
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The majority of people that are getting sick, I'm quoting, are wealthy people, you know.
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But if you're poor, well, no, us poor, we're immune.
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Wait, so does the disease check the tax returns?
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But how many poor people in Mexico who are not paying attention because their government
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is not making a big deal out of this are just going along with that and going, yeah,
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Yeah, I mean, the one thing that's interesting about this, too, when going back to the projections
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we were just talking about, we're not going to necessarily know the answer with the UK
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and the US because we've taken sort of these more drastic steps.
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Places like Mexico and probably two-thirds of the globe have not.
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So we will see if this guy's projections wind up being true in places like Mexico and in
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the Middle East and Africa because these countries haven't done anything.
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I mean, they're not, many of them are not doing even any testing.
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You know, Mexico has 300 cases in their country of 129 million people and it's across a border
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It's obviously not true and they're just ignoring it at this point and hoping for the best.
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We should be having our National Guard stand on the border and have some sort of health
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care, some sort of health care facility in a tent or something that is on just on the
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But I mean, that is going to become a humanitarian crisis and every bleeding heart is going to
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They've made their bed and they'll swamp our system.
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We've already done all of this and we've put ourselves in a situation where we might be
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And we we can offer help and doctors can go down across the border when it starts to
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But we cannot have them flooding in and swamping us.
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Fake meat won't won't sell apparently at grocery stores all across the the country.
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Even in a crisis, people will not buy fake hot dogs.
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I don't I don't know that that's actually true, but because, I mean, they are projected
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to make, you know, the market is like tripling every single year at the moment for these
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But there's certainly a lot of people who will not buy them no matter what.
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This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.
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Pat, we're just having this conversation back and forth about how we're not sure.
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I have this feeling that this is going to be like the scientists that were telling us all
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about global warming because we're kind of like, could be, don't know, yet they panic
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I still think we're two weeks away from seeing how bad this thing can get, but because we're
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all staying in or most of us are staying in, we are, you know, we are really slowing the
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So we'll never know how bad it could have been.
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Do you think that we have overreacted at all at all?
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And what I hate are the dire predictions that, you know, the 2.2 million dead Americans and
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But even if it is true, even if that's going to happen, why would you tell people that's
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I guess it's to get people to take it seriously, right?
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We've already given up half, three quarters of our liberty.
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Is it only me that has friends that are still texting?
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They're still out going, yeah, I'm having friends.
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Is no one else having a problem with their friends where you're saying, hey, dude, you
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Am I the only one that has friends who are still going out doing things and, you know,
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going over to friends' houses and I'm the only one?
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They're going to friends' houses and they're doing stuff as friends.
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My wife and I were like, okay, I got to go take a drive.
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And I've been working on the remodel of our studio complex.
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And I'm way behind now because of all this stuff.
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And I said, honey, let's just go to that tree farm.
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But we'll just go and we'll walk through it because, you know, it's you can still walk
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Well, I get there and I turn into the parking lot and it is packed.
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So we went around the corner and we just walked through the trees where there was nobody.
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People were in close to each other doing stuff, talking to people, buying stuff.
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I mean, even at the grocery store, everybody's kind of distanced themselves from each other.
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And I think just because they have their own common sense, they don't have to be told where
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to stand like some Kroger's have done where they show you where to stand in the checkout
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Yeah, I think I can noodle that out for myself.
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Do a little pony back ride on the next guy in front of me.
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So it's just I if we just exercised our common sense, we wouldn't have to be told exactly
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what we should be doing and what we shouldn't be doing.
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I mean, even in Britain, the prime minister, Boris Johnson, just tested positive for this.
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He might have been making out with Prince Charles because they both have it.
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The prince is like, Boris, I confused you with Camilla.
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Did you see have you seen any of their press conferences over there?
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Because even their their podiums, unlike ours, where the president's like, you know, got his
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arm around people like, hey, we're all in this together and given a press conference where
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they're all right there in Great Britain, they had the podiums six, seven feet apart.
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It was bizarre, six or seven feet apart, way across the room from each other.
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And then this enormous television where the press could ask questions.
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Well, according to the press, we've taken no precautions whatsoever.
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I mean, I don't I don't know what they want us to do.
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I don't want I don't know what they want Trump to mandate.
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But they're still saying he's rudderless leaderless.
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I mean, even though, yes, they do do the close contact press conference, but they all know
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each other doesn't have it because they've all been tested.
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But I don't know what else you can do in this in this country.
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I go back and forth on this, but I think so far, I think what Trump has done has been
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Global warming is something where they're saying we have to ask act right now because
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the effect for the effects will be horrible and irreversible in 10 years.
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And then you go five years in and they say it's going to be in 10 years.
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That's what it's going to be horrible or irreversible.
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And they kind of give you this constant moving deadline about what we know in the future.
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And of course, you know, human nature is long into the future.
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Here we have a situation where I think there's a lot of reason to believe that perhaps some
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However, when the the information is going to be available to you as to how bad it is in
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two weeks, and if the worst case is really bad, if the experts believe this, maybe this
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And yes, this is really hurting people right now.
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Obviously, they're going to do this package and hopefully solve some of those wounds.
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But the bottom line at the end of this is we should know in real in a really close amount
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of time whether we need to continue this or how aggressively we need to continue it.
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So, I don't know, everyone's beating up on him because either he went too hard on these
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15 days or that he's trying to get everybody out into the workforce by Easter and that's
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But like, the best thing to do is get the information that is coming in and making the
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And it seems that would be what Fauci is saying and Birx is saying, he's reacting to the
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information on the ground where it looks like maybe it's, you know, like Washington's
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Then it does not seem like it's been as bad as they would have expected it.
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That's real information that they're able to take in and say, okay, what went right there
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But when I watched the president yesterday and I've watched it, I watch him every day
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It's kind of like, I think, how people felt about my show maybe at five o'clock.
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You know, my wife is like, hey, president's on.
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And so, we're watching it yesterday and every single one of them were like, calm down, people.
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And they weren't talking to the American people.
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You've either done too much or you've done too little.
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And they can't make up their mind which it's supposed to be.
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In the same report sometimes, which is bizarre.
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And I, you know, this is the United States of America.
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If you think he's done too little, I don't know what you expect him to have done at this point.
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Short of soldering people into their homes like China did.
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They keep saying that, you know, he's going to open up the, are you really going to open up the country?
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He's saying, for instance, let's go county by county.
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Let's look at the counties where it's high risk.
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Basically, he's saying the same thing that Cuomo is now saying.
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We did it because that's all we knew what to do at the time.
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Let's let's reexamine this and see what what the hell we're doing here.
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I think Fauci described it as his aspirational goal.
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But he's considering the information as it comes in.
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And if it's if that goal doesn't make sense, then you it's like my goal.
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That doesn't mean I'm going to the dealership today.
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At some point, maybe I'll be able to afford one.
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Like my aspirational goal is to lose another twenty five pounds.
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It's not stopping me from getting a bowl of ice cream in this next break.
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You know, there's a couple of essential businesses, if you will, that are being closed down that
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One is our faith centers and not saying that we all should be going into church, but we have
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to remember that faith is essential to the American people.
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The other one that is much more clear cut on remaining open, that is a gun store, especially
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when you have the the governments all around our country just letting prisoners out.
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Isn't shelter in place the perfect place to do that in prison?
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How is this not a how is how is releasing prisoners a good idea?
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Then on top of it, they're closing the gun stores.
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And on top of that, they're telling us, oh, well, our first responders are going to be swamped
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We have John Lott on John is John is he's really, truly a national treasure.
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He is probably one of I would say this directly.
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He is the most important voice when it comes to guns, gun crime, gun statistics.
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And that's why he's despised by people on the left, because he's no pun intended, bulletproof
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He is the president of Crime Prevention Research Center.
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So tell me what your thoughts are on on, you know, places like L.A. saying, no, a gun store
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Well, I mean, people are concerned about what will happen to the social order.
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I mean, we have kind of a perfect storm in the sense that prisoners are being released
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from prison because of the concern that some people may be particularly susceptible in closed
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We're not arresting people because they don't want to have new people put into the prison
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system in police departments across the country.
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One is that many police departments simply aren't responding to many types of calls from
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victims because they don't they want to limit the exposure that the police are receiving.
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Some departments like Los Angeles have issued gloves and goggles and face masks to police.
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But the thing is, when you're dealing with the rough and tumble of actually arresting a
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criminal, you know, just because you have a face mask on doesn't mean it's going to stay
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Um, and, uh, you know, it's, you also have a fair number of police who are getting the
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And, uh, and so you're going to have fewer police officers available to, uh, to be called
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You, you have states now and counties that are starting to close down, uh, these gun stores.
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I think it's surprising what happened in Illinois, uh, where the governor did the exact opposite.
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You know, there are a couple of states now where you've had fairly strong, uh, gun control
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advocate, uh, democratic governors who have actually allowed, uh, gun stores to, to keep
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But you have a large number, uh, in major states like New York and New Jersey and, uh, and other
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places, which, uh, have made it impossible for people to be able to go and buy guns, uh,
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And, uh, you know, they've, and they've, in some of the states where the state actually
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operates the background check system, uh, you don't directly go to the federal system.
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Uh, they've just refused to process any more, uh, uh, purchase.
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Somebody told me they were trying to buy a gun here in, uh, Texas recently.
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And they said that it, they were told it's a, almost a month's wait to get it, uh, uh,
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I don't know if that's true, but that's crazy if it is.
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Yeah, I've talked to a number of, uh, licensed dealers and they've told me that it's just
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impossible to get through the system right now.
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When they call up, uh, the line's busy and, um, you know, I assume that's occurring across
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People now, is that, is that because people are going out and buying guns or, you know,
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during the Obama administration, that was happening a lot too.
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Uh, and during the Clinton administration, you'd talk to people who were, you know, uh,
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gun store owners and they said, boy, the day George Bush was, uh, elected, all of a sudden
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Is that the same thing or is this just because they're overwhelmed?
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I think it's largely because they're overwhelmed, but of course the system can break down when
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they have a huge number of calls going into the, to the system there.
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Uh, but, uh, you know, uh, we know, uh, ammunition sales, for example, uh, in the last three weeks
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have probably gone up about, uh, 300% from what they were, uh, in the three weeks prior
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Uh, one can only assume that maybe gun sales have been going up similarly over that period
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But, you know, one thing just to mention about the police is you and I can telecommute to
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I mean, you could go and do your, uh, job, uh, from your home.
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Uh, but police officers don't have that option.
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They have to, they can't, they have to actually come in physical contact with, uh, criminals
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and that allows them to face risks in terms of the disease that, uh, you and I and many
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So John, is any of this going to be corrected assuming this virus passes without any kind of
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real problems, um, are, are we going to be able to take the states to court about this
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Or do they have a right to just shut all this stuff down when it comes to gun stores and
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Well, I mean, there are a number of court cases.
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Uh, these things take time to wind through, uh, and it's been kind of a mixed bag so far.
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Uh, the Pennsylvania state Supreme court, uh, which is almost completely dominated by Democrats
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voted four to three that the state was allowed to go and shut down the gun stores that were
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Um, uh, you know, I think the federal courts, uh, Trump, while he's accomplished a lot in
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the courts, he's only kind of brought it into balance.
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The Democratic nominees had so completely dominated the courts prior to him being there.
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People talk about the number of federal judges that he's put on.
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But, um, if you look at the circuit courts, uh, 24 of the states are in circuits where Democrats
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have a majority and 26 are in, uh, in states where Republicans now have a majority.
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And so the states, which are most likely to put these types of restrictions on are the
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And they tend to be in those circuits like the ninth circuit, for example, which are still
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So, uh, John, um, as you're, as you're looking at what's happening with the, uh, with the situation
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with guns, what should the average person do and know today?
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Well, I mean, I think just as you have a fire extinguisher, because something might happen,
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Uh, we're not talking about the zombie apocalypse right now, but people have concerns about their
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If police can't respond, uh, to calls either because the police officers aren't there or
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because, uh, they're simply limiting the number of calls that they're willing to take because
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People have to be able to go and protect themselves.
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Um, you know, if you make it less risky for criminals to go and commit crime, they're going
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to go and commit more crimes than they would have otherwise.
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They're, they're already in Philadelphia and other places saying, we're not going to prosecute
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If you steal up to a thousand dollars in some places, you're not going to be prosecuted.
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You have these, uh, district attorneys, uh, that George Soros and others have supported
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to get in there and, and they, you know, you, you can have these horrific videos of people
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just going into the stores and taking stuff off the shelves because they know that they're
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not going to get into serious trouble, uh, for doing that.
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If you make it less risky, less costly for them to go and do something, they're going
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The president of Crime Prevention Research Center, John Lott Jr.
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The President of Crime Prevention Research Center, John Lott Jr.