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00:00:14.760 On today's podcast, we got a lot.

00:00:17.280 The Trump administration making major efforts to target fraud.

00:00:20.780 Thank God.

00:00:22.080 Also, the Trump account is out.

00:00:24.620 And I'm not a big fan of the Trump account.

00:00:28.000 It sounds to me, if you look historically, a little like what Thomas Paine wanted to do in the 1790s that our founders absolutely rejected.

00:00:36.520 We have one of the big cheeses from the Treasury Department.

00:00:39.260 He joins us to talk about that debate and what the Trump account is really trying to do and why it's a good thing, in their opinion.

00:00:47.660 Also, Dave Rubin and I had a conversation at Mar-a-Lago last night.

00:00:54.120 And it's a conversation that I asked if I could share parts of it.

00:00:58.080 And it's a conversation that I think might be of use to you as well because we're in interesting times.

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00:01:07.080 All of this and so much more on today's podcast.

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00:03:13.200 Well, hello, America.

00:03:14.480 Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

00:03:16.000 We're glad you're here.

00:03:16.800 We're going to have the assistant secretary of the Treasury on with us.

00:03:20.660 We were talking last hour about about the Trump accounts.

00:03:25.140 I'm not a fan of them.

00:03:26.340 I understand why the president wants to do them, but I'm not a fan of it.

00:03:29.020 It's not our it's not our place to do it.

00:03:31.020 I don't want to open up another another giveaway, quite honestly.

00:03:36.380 But the president is trying to do everything that he can to help people feel less of the pain of what we have going on in our country.

00:03:45.200 But I disagree with it.

00:03:46.540 We're going to have the guy who actually did all of the work on it.

00:03:49.020 He's the guy who came up with it and put it all together.

00:03:52.220 He's the assistant secretary of Treasury.

00:03:54.760 He'll be on with us in about a half an hour.

00:03:56.300 I also want to go into what the Trump administration is doing to stop fraud, food stamp fraud, the Medicare fraud, the fraud that's going on in the Somali community. 1.00

00:04:09.720 Oh, that's racist, even.

00:04:11.140 No, it's not.

00:04:12.420 And I'll tell you why here in just a second.

00:04:14.360 But I want to show you what the administration is doing.

00:04:16.420 And I don't understand how anyone could object to this.

00:04:19.140 It's your money.

00:04:20.440 It's your money.

00:04:21.920 And and it's being sent to terrorist organizations.

00:04:24.300 What part of that are you are you against or for?

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00:05:48.500 Okay, there's a couple of things going on.

00:05:51.380 First of all, let's start with food stamps.

00:05:56.300 The administration is now going to withhold federal funds from any state beginning next week unless they provide data to the Secretary of Agriculture.

00:06:08.060 The agriculture that gives us the SNAP program.

00:06:10.880 She's in charge of the SNAP program.

00:06:12.460 And when she first got into office, she said, look, we need information.

00:06:19.400 We need to know the name, the locations, all of the information, the age, how long they've been on SNAP, what the situation is.

00:06:34.140 We need all of the information that will help us find fraud.

00:06:39.520 They're finding 186,000 people were dead, still receiving benefits.

00:06:47.080 How is that happening?

00:06:48.140 How is that happening?

00:06:48.760 That was estimated to be about 5,000 people.

00:06:54.540 186,000 is what she found.

00:06:56.400 Now, she found just 186,000 in 24 or 26 states.

00:07:02.320 Okay?

00:07:03.020 Because the blue states are not giving her the information.

00:07:08.400 Red states are turning over the information, and they're finding all kinds of fraud in the red states. 0.76

00:07:15.080 Blue states have decided, no, I don't have to do that.

00:07:18.040 All she's asking for, birth date, Social Security number, and the name and address.

00:07:22.760 That's what we need to be able to identify fraud.

00:07:26.180 The red states won't send it in.

00:07:28.860 So now she's saying, look, fine, you don't want to send it in?

00:07:31.800 Fine, you're not getting any money.

00:07:33.780 Because we can't trust that there's not fraud.

00:07:35.580 We're finding it in the Republican states.

00:07:38.720 What, you think that we're not going to find it in your state too?

00:07:42.940 Probably at a higher rate, but maybe not.

00:07:46.440 Just, can we stop?

00:07:49.380 Who is for getting ripped off every day?

00:07:52.840 I don't understand this.

00:07:54.740 How can you possibly be for being ripped off every day?

00:07:59.480 We have $38 trillion in debt.

00:08:03.480 We're not rich.

00:08:06.120 I don't know if you know that.

00:08:07.080 We're not rich.

00:08:08.540 Why would you be for fraud?

00:08:10.320 This stuff up in Minnesota is, is, I mean, blood shoots out of my eyes.

00:08:15.000 We're now investigating massive, massive fraud by members of the Somali community. 1.00

00:08:27.020 And quite honestly, Governor Tim Walz.

00:08:30.240 He's, he's up for obstruction on this.

00:08:32.720 And even people in his own administration are like, yeah, he, he was, he was not allowing

00:08:37.880 us to go in and stop any of this fraud.

00:08:40.300 He knew about it and he wouldn't do it.

00:08:44.160 So numerous people, I think, what is it?

00:08:48.000 79 cases so far.

00:08:50.500 And this is just 78 indictments so far in the scam.

00:08:53.760 Um, but it's, it's, this is just the beginning of it.

00:08:58.580 A billion dollar COVID fraud.

00:09:02.180 What the people were doing was saying, we're sending, we're sending food to kids.

00:09:06.860 And so these organizations would, would submit and say, Hey, we are feeding this number of

00:09:11.700 kids.

00:09:11.980 And so we need this amount of money.

00:09:13.740 And they would get that amount of money and they weren't feeding anybody.

00:09:16.800 And we found that out of the billion dollars, some of that money was going directly to Al

00:09:24.300 Shabaab. 0.73

00:09:24.860 That's a, that's a terrorist organization, a really nasty terrorist organization.

00:09:30.540 A lot of the money was going to Somalia and remittances.

00:09:35.320 So these people were taking the money that you paid for with your taxes, and they were sending

00:09:42.660 it over to their relatives in Somalia to help them.

00:09:46.800 And to terrorist organizations.

00:09:50.580 How are you for this?

00:09:52.400 Exactly.

00:09:53.240 Please explain.

00:09:54.660 Let's stick to the facts.

00:09:56.360 Don't, don't throw out racism.

00:09:57.560 Cause you know, here's what I don't understand.

00:09:59.680 I'm not saying everybody in the Somalia, Somali community is corrupt.

00:10:03.760 I'm not saying get rid of all Somalians.

00:10:05.780 I'm not saying that.

00:10:08.340 I'm saying the actions are criminal.

00:10:12.100 And if you were engaged in criminal activity, you should go to jail and, or be deported.

00:10:19.980 Period.

00:10:21.560 If you are involved in anything, then the full extent of the law should be imposed on you.

00:10:29.540 Period.

00:10:30.020 But if you didn't have anything to do with it, I mean, if you're here illegally, well, 0.83

00:10:35.240 again, you broke the law.

00:10:37.080 But if you're not, if you're here legally, what, what are we going to do?

00:10:42.900 We're not, we're not, I'm not saying that all Somalis are bad.

00:10:45.620 Okay.

00:10:46.600 Okay.

00:10:49.440 But I'm a racist for pointing out that some individuals are breaking the law and stealing

00:10:56.640 our money.

00:10:57.720 That's racism.

00:10:59.160 That's what the left is saying.

00:11:00.980 And yet they can say, you know, the Jews control the world. 0.99

00:11:07.820 Excuse me.

00:11:08.800 So that whole race controls the world, but I can't point out the individuals that need 1.00

00:11:15.720 to be deported.

00:11:16.980 I can't point out the individuals that are engaging in fraud.

00:11:22.400 I don't think you understand what racism really is.

00:11:27.180 It's not racist to say, Hey, this fraud is being perpetrated on the American people and

00:11:33.500 the money is going to a foreign country.

00:11:36.160 And on top of that, it's going to terrorist organizations.

00:11:44.640 The president, I don't know how he does it.

00:11:47.140 I really don't.

00:11:47.820 I don't know how they keep their sanity in Washington because it doesn't, it makes no

00:11:53.000 sense.

00:11:53.600 If you are just debating the facts, it makes absolutely no sense that you would be against

00:12:00.480 this.

00:12:01.160 No sense whatsoever.

00:12:02.280 We have a $7 million Medicaid fraud that these, these people, I believe they were, I believe

00:12:12.820 they were Somalis.

00:12:16.700 Doesn't say Abfada Youssef.

00:12:21.640 So wherever that person's from, these, these, this couple, man and wife, they were convicted,

00:12:28.580 convicted, convicted, found guilty for taking Medicare funds and then taking it, not spending

00:12:36.680 it the way they were supposed to, and just buying houses and cars and clothes and everything

00:12:41.120 else.

00:12:41.620 $7.2 million.

00:12:43.600 They defrauded the American people.

00:12:46.700 A judge just came in and said, yeah, I don't think it was fair.

00:12:52.640 I'm overturning that.

00:12:55.440 Wait, what?

00:12:57.000 They were found guilty of six counts of aiding and abetting theft by a jury.

00:13:04.660 The jury is even coming out and saying, what, what is this judge even talking about?

00:13:10.340 Excuse me, what?

00:13:11.440 Why is this happening with our judges?

00:13:16.440 Because our judges are completely out of control, completely out of control.

00:13:22.580 By the way, it's a separate branch of government.

00:13:28.360 You as a judge cannot do what the president does or what Congress does.

00:13:33.980 You are a separate branch.

00:13:36.120 Now, 30 years ago, there's a great story in the blaze today, 30 years ago, Congress recognized

00:13:44.300 that we can't legislate our way and litigate our way out of a out of an immigration problem.

00:13:51.720 OK, because they knew once the lawyers figure out I can keep people here by tying it up in

00:13:58.700 the courts, it'll never end.

00:14:00.680 So Congress passed a law that says the judges cannot cannot do that.

00:14:06.740 OK, they can't get involved on expedited deportations.

00:14:14.780 OK, you have to prove that you've been in the country for more than two years, something

00:14:21.400 like that.

00:14:21.880 And they said they know if there's an expedited, expedited deportation, the lawyers will figure

00:14:29.580 this out, that we can just tie this up in court and then it'll be over.

00:14:33.620 And so Congress said you can't do that.

00:14:37.920 You can't do that because the court system that is doing this, this is not this is not

00:14:44.700 part of the judicial system.

00:14:48.540 When you're looking at the court system that is dealing with the deportation of people that

00:14:55.480 is under the administration.

00:15:01.500 The president just has to say, no, you're not doing that anymore.

00:15:05.000 That's why he's firing the judges that he is firing, that he can fire.

00:15:09.280 He's already accepted, I think, 100 resignations or fired more.

00:15:13.940 And they're and he's just named another eight other judges that he is just sacking.

00:15:20.100 He's getting rid of them because the immigration courts are, again, not part of the judicial

00:15:25.220 branch, but the executive branch.

00:15:27.760 So they're all housed at the Department of Justice.

00:15:30.040 So he has the right to say, you're no longer part of the administration.

00:15:33.480 Get out.

00:15:34.660 And everybody's crying and freaking out.

00:15:38.300 Good.

00:15:38.980 He should fire them. 0.97

00:15:40.500 He should fire them. 0.64

00:15:42.020 If you are, if you are not looking at what was the line that was said that he is just

00:15:49.100 looking for judges that only that only aliens with legally meritorious claims are allowed

00:15:58.940 to remain.

00:15:59.840 So, in other words, yeah, I am actually a refugee.

00:16:03.900 I was running from oppression and I can't go back.

00:16:09.980 You can stay.

00:16:10.780 That has merit.

00:16:13.920 All he's asking for are judges that will judge it on merit.

00:16:19.360 What else would you be judging it on?

00:16:21.320 Oh, I don't know.

00:16:22.200 Race?

00:16:23.560 Politics?

00:16:25.360 Nothing good.

00:16:27.320 Nothing good at all.

00:16:28.500 By the way, you know, the president said that he wants to, he set a goal of 21 million illegal

00:16:35.520 aliens out.

00:16:38.240 He's made great progress, but it's 2 million.

00:16:41.160 Now, it has been nine months.

00:16:43.040 2 million in nine months.

00:16:44.260 That's pretty damn good.

00:16:46.720 But all of us are like, can we pick up the pace a little bit?

00:16:50.280 Well, no, because of the judges.

00:16:51.700 And again, the president, actually Congress, needs to step in and say, excuse me, you cannot,

00:16:59.200 you know, just make up laws.

00:17:01.280 You can't just say, nope, the president can't do that.

00:17:05.740 I'm sorry.

00:17:06.140 That's not your role.

00:17:07.380 That is not your role.

00:17:10.640 But ICE has just announced, Christy Noem just announced yesterday that they are on their

00:17:16.360 10,000th ICE officer enrollee.

00:17:21.760 They're about, within 10 days, she said, we will have added 10,000 ICE officers to the

00:17:28.320 rolls.

00:17:29.600 Ah, that's pretty good.

00:17:32.760 And by the way, that was authorized through the big, beautiful bill.

00:17:35.180 That's why, that's why the Democrats were against the big, beautiful bill.

00:17:39.200 And that's why they shut down the government. 0.59

00:17:40.800 They wanted parts of the bill to go away.

00:17:42.960 You know, like, no, we just, we just passed this bill.

00:17:45.580 And we, I don't know.

00:17:46.740 I think the 10,000 ICE officers is probably really, really important here.

00:17:51.840 Um, so at least the administration is, is serious on that.

00:17:57.000 Again, I don't know how you're not serious about it.

00:18:01.060 I don't know how you're not serious about it.

00:18:03.320 If you care about jobs, if you care about the cost of housing, the cost of your apartment,

00:18:11.660 then you should care about 21 million people that were added here because they all need

00:18:18.900 a place to live, where are they living?

00:18:21.760 Who are they competing with to get an apartment? 1.00

00:18:24.240 Why did your apartment costs go up?

00:18:26.080 Oh, I don't know.

00:18:27.400 Maybe because there's 21 million people here that weren't here just a few years ago that,

00:18:32.280 I don't know.

00:18:33.160 Now they need an apartment.

00:18:34.680 So they're competing against you.

00:18:36.480 And so what happens?

00:18:37.600 The price goes up because there's not enough apartments.

00:18:40.840 There's not enough houses for rent.

00:18:42.560 There's not enough houses for sale.

00:18:44.060 Well, that's a big part of the problem.

00:18:47.360 Explain to me how you don't understand that.

00:18:50.400 Explain to me how you're bitching that Donald Trump isn't bringing housing prices down,

00:18:56.560 but you won't allow him to get rid of the problem.

00:19:01.040 Illegals that are here that are competing and driving those housing costs up. 1.00

00:19:07.800 Explain that.

00:19:08.600 I don't think you can explain to me how you are, how you are for sending money to terrorist

00:19:19.140 groups, your tax dollars through fraud.

00:19:23.240 Explain that to me.

00:19:24.560 Try not to use the word racist.

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00:20:44.280 We're waiting on a counselor from, uh, the U.S. Treasury, the U.S. Treasury Secretary, Joseph Lavonia.

00:20:51.240 Um, he is, uh, he is a counselor to the secretary.

00:20:56.740 He was in, I think the first administration, uh, right now we were trying to get the treasury secretary on with us.

00:21:03.120 Um, but he is speaking and, uh, Secretary Besson just talked about the Trump accounts at the, uh, deal book summit.

00:21:10.940 And he said an amazing thing.

00:21:12.640 He said the Trump accounts quote, this is the beginning of a shareholder economy.

00:21:19.780 That's a little frightening because we've been warning against the stakeholder economy.

00:21:24.020 How far down the road does Secretary Besson think we were on the stakeholder?

00:21:28.320 Or if this is the beginning of a shareholder economy, uh, we have, uh, we have the counselor to the U.S. Treasury secretary on with us now, Joe, welcome.

00:21:38.860 Thank you, Glenn.

00:21:41.180 Uh, what is the, what did he mean by that?

00:21:43.740 This is the beginning of the shareholder economy.

00:21:46.600 Yeah.

00:21:47.080 Well, so what he, what he meant by that was that the U.S. economy is one that thrives when you've got incentives to produce and work.

00:21:58.660 Which, uh, in the bill that the president signed, the Working Families Act, if you will, uh, encourages capital formation and growth.

00:22:07.020 And the, the ability to invest in the future, to teach, uh, in many cases yet to be born boys and girls, the, uh, power of compound interest and be a stakeholder in the capitalist system is, uh, my interpretation of what he meant.

00:22:25.960 To cure many ill and that, uh, we're making an investment in, um, in young Americans future.

00:22:35.980 And that's, in other words, in other words, if you have a stake in the system, you don't want to burn it down.

00:22:43.780 Right.

00:22:46.280 Yeah.

00:22:46.520 That, you know, it's essentially the American dream that, you know, it's a way to build wealth creation.

00:22:51.160 I mean, just to give you an example, uh, the powers of compound interest, compound interest, if you put a thousand dollars in 65 years ago, uh, with it roughly 10.7% return in the S&P 500, that $1,000 would be worth nearly $650,000 today.

00:23:11.740 So it's really building the American dream, having, helping people to build wealth.

00:23:16.920 And, you know, it's a, it's a great investment for the future.

00:23:21.100 When you think about what the joint committee on taxation scored, this costing over a 10 year period is just under $15 billion.

00:23:29.100 I mean, that's not a lot for a real payoff, uh, for people to be, you know, having incentive in the system for the U S economy to thrive.

00:23:38.500 Um, so I, to, to be honest with you, Joe, I understand the reasons why it, it should be done.

00:23:47.460 I think there could be some real benefits from it, but I, I, I'm stuck on a couple of things and I'd like you to talk me down from the ledge on this one.

00:23:55.840 You know, this was proposed before during the founding era, it was called agrarian justice.

00:24:01.540 And Thomas Paine said, we should give 15 pounds to everybody who turns 21.

00:24:05.600 Um, and that 15 pounds at that time would be in today's dollar.

00:24:10.760 It's about 2,500 to $3,000.

00:24:13.860 So it's about the same kind of money.

00:24:15.940 Um, except you're giving it at birth.

00:24:17.940 The founders rejected it.

00:24:19.760 Redistribution of wealth.

00:24:20.780 It becomes a right, uh, you know, you're taxing people, uh, you know, and giving it to somebody else.

00:24:28.060 It's just, it's, it's just, it's not good in any, in any way.

00:24:31.680 It's not government's role.

00:24:32.900 So talk me down, tell me how that's, why this is government's role.

00:24:37.680 And where do you get the authority to do this?

00:24:43.160 Find out a lot of worth.

00:24:44.620 It was a signature piece of legislation, uh, congressional approved the forms that people will be.

00:24:51.000 Five 47, obviously to account for president Trump's, uh, win in 16.

00:24:56.020 And of course in 24, uh, you mentioned Tom's paying an agrarian society.

00:25:00.380 I think Glenn, that right there kind of addresses the issue was that that was, uh, you know, over a couple hundred years ago.

00:25:05.680 And the economy and the capital system has evolved significantly.

00:25:09.860 Uh, this isn't a redistribution of wealth.

00:25:12.000 This is an investment in the future and people's livelihoods.

00:25:16.400 Hopefully they'll keep the money in and add to it between now and when they're 18, when they'd have access to it.

00:25:22.780 This is just a savings vehicle.

00:25:24.340 And, uh, it's a way to build wealth, uh, and to have a stake in the system and then to generate policies that are positive for the corporate sector because the corporate sector is the one that hires people and giving people the American dream and ability to, you know, to reach a higher rung.

00:25:41.900 That's how I look at this, Bill.

00:25:43.360 I don't look at this as government intrusion or anything along those lines.

00:25:46.900 Uh, I look at it as something as an investment in the future, you know, and along the way, Glenn, we're going to get a tremendous amount of financial literacy out of it, which is something the treasury secretary wants.

00:25:57.280 But what I would argue is a very, very small amount of money in the big picture.

00:26:02.480 So what is the, what, what, how do you mean?

00:26:04.680 Because I, I read that he had said that, you know, this is financial literacy.

00:26:08.320 What is, what does that mean?

00:26:09.660 Well, financial literacy, and you're basically going to teach people.

00:26:12.840 They're in a low index, uh, mutual fund, and you're going to, uh, on interest, put away to that.

00:26:23.480 We have such a horrible connection.

00:26:25.360 I'm not getting about every third word here.

00:26:27.240 I'm sorry.

00:26:27.960 Say it again.

00:26:28.880 I'm just getting horrible.

00:26:30.060 We have a horrible connection, so I'm losing you.

00:26:31.840 So could you start that over again?

00:26:34.300 That's saying that the financial literacy part comes down to people realizing that when they put money aside, that money will grow.

00:26:41.720 And do wondrous things through the power of compound interest.

00:26:46.100 And they also can add to it.

00:26:48.160 Like, in other words, if you added an extra $10 a month from what the government is providing, that would take that, if you look in the past, in the math, instead of 600, roughly 650,000 over a 65-year period, it's almost one and a half million.

00:27:04.020 So, you know, there are things Treasury is going to be doing on financial literacy, which I'm sure they're going to be using the Trump accounts as a tool and the vehicle to help market that.

00:27:12.880 But I think, in general, people need to understand that savings for the future is important.

00:27:17.980 And these accounts are going to go and take a very important initial step in moving us down that path.

00:27:22.920 You know, I so respect the Dell family for what they're doing, and they're getting raked over the coals today for all the wrong reasons.

00:27:34.620 That's a private individual that's saying, I want to do this.

00:27:38.720 And I think that is fabulous.

00:27:40.800 I really do.

00:27:41.680 Again, we're $38 trillion in debt.

00:27:46.120 I really do.

00:27:47.460 I'm so torn on this because I really do understand we don't – people feel like they don't have a stake.

00:27:54.720 They're never going to get a head.

00:27:55.860 They're never going to get a house.

00:27:57.160 All of this stuff that's leading them to this lie of socialism, we have to do something.

00:28:02.900 But, again, I'm so concerned about opening up a can of worms here that just gets out of control again.

00:28:10.940 No, in this case, no, because the money is going back into the capitalist system.

00:28:15.220 See, it's not consumption.

00:28:16.660 You know, we think redistribution.

00:28:18.280 We're thinking, you know, giving people money to spend.

00:28:22.160 This is money through debt.

00:28:24.020 And I understand your point on the debt, and the debt is too high, and it grew at a historic pace over the prior administration.

00:28:29.720 But I can tell you, Glenn, the only way that we are going to be able to deal with the debt situation is to grow and to grow fast,

00:28:36.960 which is what we saw during President Trump's first term, because if you don't grow, you're not going to get revenues,

00:28:42.140 and it just exacerbates all of the other factors.

00:28:45.660 And when we look at the tax bill, which the Trump accounts were a very key part of,

00:28:49.720 we are going to be able to lift worker wages because we're getting a CapEx boom, which lifts productivity.

00:28:56.200 And when that happens, worker wages always grow.

00:28:59.680 We've got energy policies that will work to lower inflation.

00:29:03.240 That's going to increase your real wage.

00:29:05.220 And then, of course, the no tax on tips and overtime will encourage more labor supply, which is disinflationary.

00:29:11.120 And after-tax wages are going to go up for working-class Americans.

00:29:15.240 So to me, those are very pro-growth.

00:29:18.960 So will you at least put a time limit on it that says you can't withdraw it?

00:29:24.940 I mean, because if you want it to grow.

00:29:26.320 So this is just from children born from 2025 to 2028, and that's it.

00:29:36.720 And people will not have access to this until they turn 18, if they so chose.

00:29:42.940 And we hopefully, when they see that account go significantly over the next 18 to 22 years,

00:29:49.280 they will keep their money in that account and add to it.

00:29:52.060 So, yes, there are certainly limitations on it.

00:29:53.860 Who's controlling how it's invested?

00:29:59.120 It's going to be so the forms will be available when you file your taxes in the new year.

00:30:05.900 That's Form 45-47, as I mentioned.

00:30:09.460 And then you could deposit additional monies.

00:30:12.400 Your employer could, your charitable contributions, et cetera.

00:30:16.780 And you could put extra money in on July 4th when you officially sign up.

00:30:22.960 And then, or I should say you sign up before then, the monies will go out sometime around July 4th.

00:30:28.740 That's when Treasury will put the money in one's account.

00:30:33.040 And essentially, it will be invested in low-cost mutual funds, something that mimics the S&P 500.

00:30:39.440 Okay, let me just switch, because I know I have to let you go, but let me just switch topics here for just a second.

00:30:47.300 Thank you for what you guys are doing with the Somali fraud in Minnesota and the food stamp fraud, the SNAP fraud. 0.85

00:30:56.740 Thank you.

00:30:57.480 I mean, I don't know how people are not just falling all over themselves to say thank you for stopping this incredible fraud that is so dangerous.

00:31:10.280 So thank you for that.

00:31:12.100 Well, thank you.

00:31:13.360 And let me say, people realize that the portfolio of Treasury that Secretary Besson is running is large and deep.

00:31:21.800 And in that is a terrorism and financial intelligence area.

00:31:25.500 There's an undersecretary.

00:31:27.340 It's a very key role.

00:31:28.280 It's one of the most senior roles within Treasury.

00:31:30.700 And the administration takes fraud and financial abuse and certainly anything related to terrorism with the utmost concern.

00:31:38.740 I mean, this is, you know, DEFCON 4 in terms of importance.

00:31:43.120 So the American people should know that the Treasury takes these things seriously.

00:31:46.880 It's investigating.

00:31:48.060 And we'll see what happens with it.

00:31:49.700 But I appreciate you highlighting it.

00:31:52.020 Glenn.

00:31:52.880 You bet.

00:31:53.280 Will we see indictments for, you know, NGOs, et cetera, that are using foreign money to, you know, at worst, you know, perform a color revolution on America? 0.63

00:32:06.900 Well, Glenn, if there is illegality without question, it's too soon to say where this investigatory work is going to go.

00:32:15.200 But absolutely, this will be – if there's laws broken, this administration will prosecute the perpetrators to the full extent that the law provides.

00:32:22.420 No question about that.

00:32:23.380 Good.

00:32:24.380 Joe, thank you so much.

00:32:25.420 I appreciate everything you're doing.

00:32:26.480 I appreciate you coming on in such a short run.

00:32:27.820 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:32:35.520 So yesterday I posted this when I got home, a picture that my wife took of Dave and I.

00:32:43.020 We were kind of backstage at Mar-a-Lago.

00:32:45.360 And we sat there probably for half an hour and had a really honest conversation about what's happening in the world, what's coming our way, and, you know, and some things that are just concerning to both of us.

00:33:00.880 And I'm not going to get into all the details because I don't have permission to tell you everything that Dave said, but I did ask him last night if I could share some of this with you.

00:33:14.040 You know, he is – he's Jewish, he's gay, he's married, and he has two adopted children.

00:33:23.260 I mean, what else could – leper?

00:33:27.680 What else could box could you check that would make you less popular in what the world that we're seeing come our way?

00:33:35.840 And he's a reasonable guy.

00:33:41.380 He's a really reasonable guy.

00:33:43.700 And, you know, when we talked years ago when he was adopting, he was on the show, and he's like, Glenn, I got to tell you, I've changed so much.

00:33:51.900 I don't – I don't know how to justify because I know that it's best to have kids with a mom and a dad, and I believe in that, and I, you know, I just don't know what to say.

00:34:05.840 He was a guy in conflict when it happened.

00:34:08.160 He's not in conflict now.

00:34:09.200 He loves his children, loves his children, and they're in a very stable home.

00:34:13.760 He would tell you, not the ideal home because that would be a mom and a dad, but a great home.

00:34:23.040 And he said, I am finding myself in a situation to where – I mean, I just don't know what's coming.

00:34:31.860 And we talked about it, and I shared with him some things that I thought were coming.

00:34:41.840 Exactly what I did, and I didn't realize it at the time until I walked away, exactly the way I did with Charlie Kirk.

00:34:50.500 When Charlie came to me in 2018, 2019, and he said, you've always been ahead of the curve.

00:34:58.200 What is coming next?

00:34:59.600 And I said, well, I mean, if you just study history, Charlie, there's really two things that are left.

00:35:05.240 One is assassinations, and the second is war, and he talked about Donald Trump and that they would try to assassinate.

00:35:14.260 And I said, yeah, and I – honestly, Charlie, I think people like you and me are on that list, too.

00:35:18.900 I said, you know, one of us could go down in this as well.

00:35:24.420 We'll be targets as well.

00:35:26.500 And we stood there, and I've told this story a million times.

00:35:28.760 And we stood there on the balcony of this hotel, and we just looked over the ocean for a while, and we were both quiet.

00:35:37.160 And I think he said, one of us said, I can't believe we're having this conversation.

00:35:42.420 And the other one said, I know it's like we're in a movie, right?

00:35:45.880 It's not real.

00:35:49.660 And lo and behold, just a couple of years after, a few years later, Charlie is assassinated.

00:35:55.000 Dave and I were having a conversation, and I said, Dave, I hope I'm wrong, but this is the way things could shape up.

00:36:05.880 And we talked about it for a while, and just as I was getting ready to walk away, he said, I can't believe we're having this conversation.

00:36:17.440 It's like we're in a movie.

00:36:18.600 And I said, yeah, I know that feeling.

00:36:25.180 And then I walked away, and when I got to my wife's side, I said, I'm sorry, I'm just really freaked out right now because of what Dave just said to me.

00:36:34.480 Because of the last time somebody said that to me was Charlie.

00:36:38.680 Charlie, we are living in extraordinary times, extraordinary times.

00:36:46.360 And we are seeing, for the very first time, we're seeing good and evil.

00:36:53.420 We are.

00:36:54.420 We're seeing in ways we've never seen before.

00:36:58.480 You know, when the assassin tried to kill Charlie, he thought there would be an equal and opposite reaction to that act, and it would be that people would either side with him or they would rise up and they would start killing, you know, the left, and we'd go into that kind of civil war thing.

00:37:19.320 But that's not what happened.

00:37:22.720 An opposite action happened as a reaction, but it was not equal.

00:37:29.340 It was so far beyond equal that it was clearly divine.

00:37:37.840 1.5 million people around the world watched, I'm sorry, 1.5 billion people watched that Charlie Kirk funeral.

00:37:44.300 And that Charlie Kirk funeral happened, and if you were there, I don't know if you could feel it while watching it.

00:37:51.940 I imagine you could, but I'm telling you in the room, I've never felt anything like it.

00:37:56.400 You could feel the spirit there.

00:37:58.980 I mean, it was like God was there.

00:38:01.320 And every time somebody got up and started speaking about politics, you could feel the spirit withdraw, and then they would start talking about, you know, universal principles, and the spirit would come back to the room.

00:38:15.480 It was amazing, and I wasn't just the only one feeling.

00:38:18.420 I had people around me.

00:38:19.960 Elon Musk was two rows behind me.

00:38:22.280 Everybody around me, we were all talking about, are you feeling that?

00:38:25.060 This is amazing.

00:38:25.940 That was God showing up.

00:38:32.700 So the unequal but opposite reaction was God working a miracle.

00:38:40.560 The only way I can understand what's happening in our world today, where we have gone insane, we've gone insane.

00:38:50.720 People that I know have lost their minds.

00:38:53.900 Because we can't, suddenly we can't have conversations about things that have been settled for a very long time.

00:39:02.660 And suddenly, you have to be an enemy.

00:39:05.520 This way, when I talk about these things, I don't want to single out anybody, because I'm not going to make this personal.

00:39:12.340 I'm not going to make it personal.

00:39:13.340 I want to make it about the facts.

00:39:14.720 Because the minute we make it personal, then we're immediately enemies of one another.

00:39:20.220 And I don't.

00:39:24.620 There's one enemy, and it's the author of chaos.

00:39:29.140 And that's who I fight.

00:39:33.800 God shows up.

00:39:34.680 Now, what's the equal and opposite reaction?

00:39:37.740 Because every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

00:39:40.480 I really believe Satan showed up.

00:39:43.640 God shows up.

00:39:44.860 We have this resurgence of faith.

00:39:47.860 It's explosion.

00:39:49.440 And then Satan shows up.

00:39:52.680 And all of a sudden, we're talking about insane things. 0.98

00:39:55.740 Like, all of a sudden, you know, Jews rule the world, and I hate Israel, and, you know, insanity. 1.00

00:40:05.680 Insane stuff that we've always known was insane. 0.98

00:40:13.360 We're watching for the first time.

00:40:14.980 We're watching the big boys play.

00:40:18.720 And we are pawns.

00:40:20.000 You just have to make sure you're on the right side of the board, you know?

00:40:26.880 Who are you a tool? 0.94

00:40:29.060 Whose hand are you in?

00:40:32.640 Are you on the good side or the dark side?

00:40:37.820 Because you have to make that decision right now.

00:40:40.900 And the way to make that decision is just to remember what you've always known to be true.

00:40:47.700 What is true?

00:40:48.900 When you know those things and you stay anchored in those things, it's going to be okay.

00:41:02.500 But if it feels like we're living in a movie, in some ways we are.

00:41:06.980 It just hasn't been made yet.

00:41:08.760 But believe me, there will be movies made about this time and about people that you may know.

00:41:15.780 There will be movies made.

00:41:18.900 How that's portrayed in the end, I'm not sure.

00:41:22.800 But I do know that every time in human history, every time this road has been traveled, there is a winning side.

00:41:31.920 And the other side destroys itself and its civilization. 0.77

00:41:38.300 So to me, it's pretty clear.

00:41:40.300 But it's for each of us to find.

00:41:43.480 I remember one time we were in the throes of just real attacks on every front.

00:42:03.480 And I thought my whole world was coming apart and it didn't matter what I did, what I said, where I was, didn't matter.

00:42:12.360 Just attack, attack, attack, attack, attack.

00:42:14.260 And I asked the Lord in prayer, you know, help me, help me.

00:42:20.260 How do I defeat these enemies?

00:42:21.680 And once in a while, once in a great while, I'll feel like he, like that I almost hear him.

00:42:28.780 And I don't know how to describe it.

00:42:32.400 It's like I hear the words, but not hear the words, you know.

00:42:36.160 I just know what he's saying.

00:42:38.980 And sometimes it's so clear, it's jaw-dropping.

00:42:43.300 And I remember in prayer, and I'm talking about how do I defeat these enemies, et cetera, et cetera.

00:42:48.000 And it was so clear.

00:42:49.780 And what I heard was firmly, stop.

00:42:56.220 These are not enemies of yours.

00:42:58.860 They are enemies of mine.

00:43:00.800 These are my rights.

00:43:02.500 And I will solve the problem with my enemies.

00:43:07.420 You do the right thing.

00:43:10.300 Okay.

00:43:11.920 So I don't want to make any more enemies.

00:43:15.200 Because they're not enemies of mine.

00:43:18.000 They're his enemies.

00:43:19.760 Anybody who is standing against the rights of all men, anyone who is standing against the Bill of Rights,

00:43:26.480 the idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator, they're not my enemy.

00:43:31.500 I mean, I view them that way.

00:43:33.440 But they're ultimately his enemy.

00:43:35.760 I need to remain on his side.

00:43:38.220 That's all I need to do.

00:43:39.560 Remain on his side.

00:43:40.920 And when he tells me to act and tells me what to do, I will do it.

00:43:44.860 And so far, all I know is make no more enemies.

00:43:53.360 Just speak the truth plainly, clearly.

00:43:58.260 Just keep saying the truth.

00:44:01.020 The things that you have always known that are universally true.

00:44:05.540 I'll take care of the rest.

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