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00:01:58.060 Hello, America. 1.00

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00:02:47.860 you're listening to the best of the blend back program i want to give you an observation and i

00:02:58.180 don't know i'm going to tie it to some facts and then you can draw your own conclusion i i don't

00:03:04.160 know what i'm about to tell you if the conclusion is accurate or not but it feels right to me

00:03:07.820 um you watch marco rubio um i think we're in the game of the apprentice i really do i i think

00:03:14.560 that's what we're watching a real life apprentice um there are memes that go around um and memes

00:03:21.540 are funny because you know they're mostly true okay and the memes that go around are that rubio

00:03:27.860 is running everything you know you've seen the meme there he is the meme of him on the couch

00:03:33.360 as maduro uh there he there he is is the mullah of iran i mean because he has all these jobs right

00:03:41.680 secretary of state sworn in january 21st 2025 then he was made the acting administrator of

00:03:48.640 usa id in february there's two jobs then acting archivist of the united states in february then

00:03:55.500 acting national security advisor on the first of may mike waltz was moved to the un so that's four

00:04:01.740 offices for a stretch there he held all four jobs at the same time one man four hats okay and that's

00:04:09.260 just the titles because underneath all of those titles he's been handed the venezuela transition

00:04:13.980 after maduro uh he's been in the room and sometimes at the head of the table on russia

00:04:19.540 and ukraine he also co-led the iran briefings on the hill if there's a fire on the planet you know

00:04:26.840 i'm not i'm not sure if marco does it there's another forest fire out west i'm not sure if

00:04:32.300 he's like, Marco, you got to go out and hold the hose. Not sure. The easy read in this for me is

00:04:40.840 Trump doesn't trust anybody. He doesn't trust anybody. He trusts people who can get the job

00:04:45.600 done. Everybody in his organization, they're always double tasked. Nobody ever in his organization

00:04:51.040 ever says, that's not my job. So the cynical reach here is that you would say, well, he doesn't have

00:04:59.800 a lot of good people around him but that's not true let me give you another perspective

00:05:07.320 because it keeps coming to me i i talked to uh i don't remember which one of the trump sons

00:05:13.580 years ago and we were talking i was like what what was it like to grow up with donald trump

00:05:17.860 as your dad and he said dad had a rule uh laid it down when we were kids if you ever want to

00:05:23.740 take over this business you have to know every single job that is done everything you have to

00:05:31.060 know because if if you not have a briefing on it you have to do it start at the bottom sweep the

00:05:38.720 floors learn the pipe fitting learn concrete pouring all of it because if you don't know

00:05:45.480 what everybody does people are going to be able to bs you okay and i think that's what happened

00:05:51.360 to donald trump in the first term he was a little bs'd by people because he didn't know exactly he

00:05:56.200 knows it now so marco rubio in 18 months has run american diplomacy foreign aid national security

00:06:05.040 apparatus our archives he has been negotiating wars negotiating peace treaties i should say

00:06:11.880 he's done all of it he's done all of it tell me that's not damn near every job in a building

00:06:21.360 I mean, he's the keeper of the nation's records, the man who holds the paper, diplomacy, money, war, memory, all of it.

00:06:30.020 Trump has said out loud more than once.

00:06:32.340 He told me before he, when he was running in 2024, I said, can you get this done in four years?

00:06:38.780 He said, four, I've got two.

00:06:40.920 I'm a lame duck after two years.

00:06:43.640 He said, so I got to get, I got to get all of the heavy lifting done in the first two years.

00:06:47.960 And then we need two more terms.

00:06:51.360 hmm we need 12 years glenn if you really want to kill this you have to have three terms

00:06:58.360 so he's serving the first one which means somewhere in the back of his mind

00:07:02.840 is the question who is going to succeed who's going to succeed succeed me who's going to

00:07:09.100 be the guy who steps in and can do eight terms that gets it so here's my question to you

00:07:17.360 is marco rubio doing what donald trump's sons have done is donald trump schooling

00:07:24.480 marco rubio whether he says it out loud whether he even knows it

00:07:28.200 uh himself is that what's happening

00:07:32.680 now i know that sounds weird but i think we're watching the apprentice

00:07:38.440 but let me take you to 1814 washington dc literally on fire british have burned the

00:07:46.540 Capitol. They burned the White House. The president of the United States is James Madison at the time,

00:07:51.060 and he's a fugitive in his own capital city, okay? Secretary of War is John Armstrong, and he failed

00:07:58.780 so horribly, he's driven from office in disgrace, because he just burned down the Capitol and the

00:08:05.620 White House, okay? The man's nearly mobbed in the streets. So Madison turns, who do I trust?

00:08:12.040 He takes James Monroe, who's the Secretary of War.

00:08:16.100 Monroe is still the Secretary of State.

00:08:19.480 Now he's the Secretary of State and the Secretary of War.

00:08:23.080 He has both jobs at once.

00:08:24.640 It's the only time in American history where a president has made the same person fill two roles in a cabinet.

00:08:33.700 Two cabinet offices filled simultaneously.

00:08:36.960 Only time it ever happened.

00:08:37.880 but he also said you're not going to do this behind your desk before the battle of bladensburg

00:08:44.740 monroe rides out on horseback to scout the british calling the columns himself because

00:08:49.660 he doesn't trust the reports that are coming in so the secretary of the united states and

00:08:54.820 the secretary of war both the same guy in the same saddle goes out and counts the enemy troops

00:09:00.140 with his own eyes the guy didn't sleep for six months smoke clears james monroe is the most

00:09:08.260 obvious successor in the country for the president and he wins the presidency in 1816

00:09:15.480 re-elected in 1820 and he's re-elected with all but one electoral vote they named an entire era

00:09:24.380 after how good everybody felt about it.

00:09:28.260 And Marco Rubio is much more of a feel-good kind of guy.

00:09:31.980 I mean, he is tough as the nails.

00:09:33.920 I never thought this about Marco Rubio.

00:09:36.000 I really liked Marco Rubio.

00:09:37.980 And when did he run the first time?

00:09:39.180 2016.

00:09:39.940 I really liked him.

00:09:41.340 But he seemed kind of squishy.

00:09:43.140 That guy's not squishy anymore.

00:09:45.120 Not at all.

00:09:47.920 So James Monroe was not Madison's protege.

00:09:51.980 James Monroe was Madison's rival.

00:09:56.060 In 1808, Monroe ran against Madison for the nomination, and Monroe lost, and it was bitter,

00:10:01.780 and they had been friends from the beginning, since the Revolution, and they stopped speaking for years.

00:10:08.000 So Madison brings him back, not out of affection, but out of necessity, because the house is burning, literally.

00:10:14.160 Monroe's the only one Madison believed could carry the water.

00:10:16.660 now think about the ugliest primary of our time

00:10:22.140 it had to be 20 in my lifetime it has to be 2016 little little marco think about the little hands

00:10:31.060 think about what those two said to each other on the debate stage in 2016

00:10:35.060 then look who's sitting in the second chair on air force one in 2026

00:10:41.660 history doesn't repeat but sometimes it rhymes so hard your teeth hurt you know

00:10:49.520 there's a pipeline that people have forgotten 1801 to 1837 secretary of state's office

00:10:58.340 was the on-ramp to the presidency jefferson's secretary of state was madison who became

00:11:03.980 president madison monroe who became president monroe secretary of state was john quincy adam

00:11:08.880 he became president jackson's was martin van buren who became president it was so automatic

00:11:15.100 that ambitious men they schemed for the job that was that they didn't want the vice president they

00:11:20.940 wanted that one and then when it stopped with james buchanan 1857 that's the last secretary

00:11:27.200 of state to ever become president of the united states that's 169 years ago hillary clinton had 0.96

00:11:33.360 that job. John Kerry had that job. Colin Powell begged, was begged to run. Not one of them made

00:11:39.680 it. In modern America, the Secretary of State's office is not an escalator. It's a cul-de-sac.

00:11:46.760 You come in and you go out. It's not an escalator. But I think because the Secretary of State always

00:11:56.100 seem so damn pompous and so about other countries that's why this icc thing is so important for

00:12:04.140 rubio to head look donald trump could have come out and said i don't want anything to do with

00:12:09.460 the international criminal court but he let marco do it instead so marco is the one saying it's got

00:12:15.940 to be about america not foreigners that's not the secretary of state as i grew up looking at the

00:12:23.980 Secretary of State. Secretary of State was always about, yeah, being the person, you know, for the

00:12:29.460 United States, but they're also, you know, they're very diplomatic. They don't ruffle any feathers,

00:12:34.580 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Donald Trump doesn't anoint anyone. Donald Trump has never anointed

00:12:44.340 anybody in his life. The show that made him a household name is called The Apprentice,

00:12:48.680 not the heir the apprentice the entire premise the entire moral architecture of that program

00:12:55.760 was that nobody is handed anything you have to earn it 16 people fight for it in front of the

00:13:01.840 whole world and every week somebody is sent home and the guy who wins wins because he performed

00:13:07.380 not because he was owed that's again different than what we have seen it's always well it's his

00:13:13.640 turn why why why did why did they pick biden why was that such a big deal because it was his turn

00:13:23.540 why was hillary clinton so upset in 08 that you get barack obama because it was her turn

00:13:31.140 it's not her turn it's not anybody's turn you have to earn it you know we tried this do i have

00:13:46.420 time to tell the story we tried this for 24 years the nominee for president believe it or not

00:13:52.860 was chosen by a caucus of congressmen in a room and they actually called it the king caucus

00:13:59.360 not by the voters not by convention a room and in 1924 the room met a fewer than a third of

00:14:07.500 congress even bothered to show up and they nominated a guy named william crawford now you

00:14:12.860 this is what this is what the the system will spit out eventually after 24 years william

00:14:19.000 crawford is the guy he had suffered a stroke was partially paralyzed and could barely see

00:14:25.560 That's the machine.

00:14:28.240 That's what the machine picked.

00:14:29.860 Their heir.

00:14:30.720 The groomed man.

00:14:31.780 Because it was his turn.

00:14:33.840 And the American people looked at it and they were like, no, no.

00:14:39.300 And so Andrew Jackson took the case right to the voters.

00:14:42.740 And after 1824, nobody tried the King Caucus again.

00:14:45.860 That was over.

00:14:46.760 That was the most anti-establishment act in the first 50 years of this country.

00:14:50.980 and it was ordinary americans firing the people they thought the presidency was theirs to hand

00:14:56.640 out that's what donald trump has done i think that's one of the reasons why he likes jackson

00:15:02.020 because there's a lot of reasons to hate jackson but he was anti-establishment and he took the

00:15:07.800 little if the king caucus isn't what the democrats do right now now we'll tell you who to run

00:15:13.960 not a lot has changed so i'm not telling you that marcus you know marco rubio is going to be the guy

00:15:22.720 that you know donald trump you know wants or anything else i'm just telling you that he's

00:15:27.500 being forged diplomacy war money memory he's learning every job in the building the way a

00:15:33.280 certain father taught a certain set of sons you know and whether the president is doing this on

00:15:38.880 purpose or whether the house is just on fire and rubio's the only one that can write out you know

00:15:42.940 and count the columns himself the result is exactly the same you can't fake what that does

00:15:51.200 to a guy you either come out of it as monroe or you don't come out at all but nobody hands you

00:15:57.120 this country not a caucus not a party not a president and that's not a flaw in the plan that

00:16:02.780 is the plan so i i just say watch what marco rubio is doing i think it's very interesting

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00:17:39.220 program. Okay, Kevin O'Leary is with us. Now, I want to start this out with I am a

00:17:46.900 I have warned about AI since the 1990s. And I said, you know, AI is going to be wonderful. And

00:17:55.780 then we're going to get a GI and that's going to be a little crazy. And then we'll get a SI. And

00:18:01.900 that is terrifying, quite honestly, to me. A lot of times when I first started talking about it,

00:18:07.260 people said, no, no, no, AGI is not even possible. And I think we're on the verge of AGI.

00:18:14.180 So I have been warning about AI, but I also believe that AI is one of the greatest tools

00:18:19.920 man has ever created. But we must always remember it is a tool. Now, to be able to have the compute

00:18:28.140 power for these systems, we have to have data centers all over, which means we have to have

00:18:35.160 power, and we also have to be willing to build the data centers. Not going to pay for them.

00:18:41.140 The companies that are all going to put us out of business and will all be slaves to them

00:18:45.420 Eventually, they have to pay for it. Now, as these data centers are being built, there's a lot of

00:18:52.440 people that say, I don't want that in my community for several reasons. I personally believe they

00:18:58.160 have to be built. Where they're built is a different story. What I don't like is the fact

00:19:04.640 that in some places, it feels almost as if these big tech companies are coming in and they're just

00:19:10.260 making a deal with the city council and you're not involved this is your life if we don't build 0.77

00:19:16.260 data centers a um china will own us in every way possible and i mean personally will own you 0.60

00:19:24.080 personally ai the united states must be the victor in this we must have the data centers

00:19:31.200 however there's really good questions that have to be asked because this is your life and i do

00:19:37.120 not want big tech making the decision anymore we already saw what big tech did when they came out

00:19:42.200 you know with the greatest tool ever everybody's going to be able to talk to each other we'll be

00:19:46.520 able to check on our families it's called social media and we saw how that worked out we have to

00:19:52.540 have a reasonable conversation about ai and the data centers and i thought the person to do that

00:19:57.260 would be kevin o'leary uh who is here hi kevin how are you great to be here thank you thank you

00:20:03.720 Um, did I set this up properly in your book?

00:20:08.300 Where do you disagree with me on these things?

00:20:10.560 I don't disagree with anything you said, Glenn.

00:20:12.840 That's actually a very good platform that you set up for us to have a intelligent narrative

00:20:19.560 about this debate, particularly on that of defense and the future of the individual.

00:20:26.580 Because I am in the same boat you're in.

00:20:29.080 i think we're in a very very difficult situation with our adversaries in china i've been dealing 0.85

00:20:35.240 in china since they came into the world trade organization back in 2000 they haven't played

00:20:41.240 by the rules in case anybody before we were worried about ai and so i have no problem with

00:20:47.560 the chinese people i have a huge problem with the chinese government and their policy so just to set 0.72

00:20:54.360 the stage on that one vertical topic, which I think is a good one to start with, you said 1.00

00:21:00.300 it and you were right.

00:21:01.680 Data centers aren't really about data centers, they're about power.

00:21:06.060 You can't have any compute.

00:21:08.820 You can't have your cell phone working, the cell tower working, the economy working if

00:21:13.960 you don't have power. 0.93

00:21:17.260 So in the last 18 months, the Chinese using primarily coal burning turbines, because they 1.00

00:21:24.080 They don't care about the environment, 1.00

00:21:27.140 or do they need a permit?

00:21:29.100 The big guy says, put one here, and that's how it happens.

00:21:33.120 They've built 400 gigawatts of new power for China,

00:21:39.840 its economy, and its efforts to dominate AI.

00:21:42.940 How many have we built that's new in America?

00:21:46.720 Zero.

00:21:48.100 Now, I'm just talking about power.

00:21:51.120 So we've got to get our poo-poo together

00:21:54.520 and start thinking about adding to the grid here

00:21:57.560 so that we can compete as an economy, not just on AI.

00:22:01.220 We need power, we're tapped out everywhere.

00:22:03.520 And so one of the things you see is a negative

00:22:06.520 in places like West Virginia, Virginia, Mississippi,

00:22:09.820 Tennessee, Utah, you name it,

00:22:11.880 as people say, well, my power bill's gonna go up

00:22:13.520 if you put a data center here.

00:22:14.940 Well, the new rule of engagement should be this.

00:22:17.560 It's part of the national solution

00:22:19.060 is if I'm going to bring a data center anywhere, I've got to bring my own power.

00:22:23.160 I've got to spend billions to build power and then give some of it back to the grid

00:22:26.820 so we can stay competitive.

00:22:28.960 We need the data centers, we need the power, we need them both.

00:22:31.540 And so there is a solution here, and that's how we're going to do it in Utah.

00:22:35.760 But Utah is not my only project.

00:22:37.520 I've got projects in Norway and Finland and Canada,

00:22:39.960 but Utah is particularly important for America because of what it means for national defense.

00:22:48.460 You nailed it.

00:22:48.920 OK, so so so, Kevin, because this is I've been talking about this one in Utah and I understand the people of Utah and I understand what they're worried about.

00:22:57.240 And quite honestly, I am, too. But I you know, I said there is a solution to these things and you just gave part of that solution.

00:23:05.640 And that is you have to build your own power. And and I said, you know, negotiate with these companies and say, look, you want the data center.

00:23:14.300 great you bring in your own power but we also want x percentage of power put in here and we

00:23:21.300 don't want to be charged for any infrastructure that is is revolves around anything to do with

00:23:27.620 this data center you're you have to bring this asset to the community you have to say this we're

00:23:34.300 going to help the community because you're not going to really be creating jobs long term uh so

00:23:40.200 what are you going to create power hold on bubble louie not so fast on the jobs not so long term

00:23:46.520 the job let me give you the numbers 4 000 construction jobs just for the first phase

00:23:51.160 2 000 permanent jobs to maintain it and those are engineering and support jobs very high paying

00:23:56.280 not true about the jobs that's a lot of jobs that's a lot of jobs including all of the additional

00:24:02.280 stuff we have to do for the community which no one's been talking about new fire trucks we got

00:24:07.320 to provide hotels to put these construction workers in for two years we got to have permanent

00:24:13.240 you know support for schooling there's so much stuff we're going to give back to the community

00:24:17.400 just to make sure our data center we have we have to employ we have to find these people to employ

00:24:22.760 them thank goodness utah is highly educated workforce north of grumman is just a few miles

00:24:28.440 away the hill air force base i got jobs my friend i got a lot of jobs a lot of jobs and i need

00:24:35.320 the people there to want to work.

00:24:37.480 So I've got my work cut out for me.

00:24:39.540 Okay.

00:24:40.100 So the other thing, power, jobs, you just answered both of those.

00:24:44.080 The second thing is, or the third thing is water.

00:24:48.680 Is it true it needs water or not needs water?

00:24:51.580 Because you're building it in Utah is the high desert.

00:24:55.420 So what's the truth on water?

00:24:58.960 That is probably the topic for Utah,

00:25:01.740 given the situation in the Great Salt Lake that is slowly going down.

00:25:07.620 And people have a huge concern about that.

00:25:09.340 So let me tell you the facts.

00:25:11.900 The new modern era data center does not require anywhere near the water

00:25:18.860 that was used 15 years ago in Virginia,

00:25:21.300 where data centers got a bad name because of how much water they consumed.

00:25:25.700 And there's two reasons for that.

00:25:27.140 the power generation itself for the electricity to drive the chips there's many solutions now that

00:25:34.160 are air cooled so they don't require anywhere near as much water and the actual cooling of the chip

00:25:41.040 itself is now done like a car radiator it's a closed loop system which was not available back

00:25:47.380 20 years ago so those are two massive reductions but people ask me well put it in context is it

00:25:52.500 true that this is going to use all the water in utah and the whole lake's going to be drained

00:25:56.340 That's a complete falsehood. This data center's first phase about 1.4 gigs is going to be

00:26:03.040 no different than a golf course in Utah. So, that you should look at it in terms of how

00:26:09.240 many golf courses in Utah are using water because data centers, not just my project,

00:26:14.880 any new data center now is like a golf course. So, you know, my attitude is look, let's get

00:26:21.580 realistic about the facts and the way you learn that, I don't want people to trust me.

00:26:26.380 I want them to look at the water permit application I'm going to put in in late August that is

00:26:31.040 forced to show exactly the engineering requirements exactly to the gallon that we have to get

00:26:37.920 to make this work.

00:26:39.400 The permitting process is not being circumvented anywhere including Box Elder County.

00:26:45.100 You can't, you got to get EPA, you got to get states, you got to get water, you got

00:26:48.360 to get noise, you got to get light.

00:26:50.360 All of that has to be permitted so there's total control there to see this on a public

00:26:54.880 basis and what I've done given all the brouhaha that occurred in Box Elder since May 5th is

00:27:01.320 I called up all of the TV networks there and they all have representation and all the journalists

00:27:07.880 and said, here's my personal cell number.

00:27:11.640 You text me when you have a question.

00:27:13.620 Don't let anybody put words in my mouth for me.

00:27:16.680 You call me and I'll talk to you and give you the facts.

00:27:20.220 And I promised all of them, they will get the same information.

00:27:24.360 The second I apply for the permit on water, which comes first.

00:27:28.860 That's a Glenn, that's the biggest topic in Utah is water.

00:27:31.740 Yeah, we got to get this right.

00:27:33.540 And so that's why I'm, I'm, I'm encouraged that at least you and I

00:27:37.140 are having this narrative and I'm trying to put it straight, but I have

00:27:40.260 a lot of work ahead of me.

00:27:41.760 So, um, Kevin, how do you generate, what kind of power generation are you using?

00:27:47.740 Because, I mean, doesn't it always come back down to you've got to make steam, that steam pushes then a turbine, and then you can generate?

00:27:55.820 I mean, no matter what it is, it usually uses steam, doesn't it?

00:28:00.180 What are you going to use to make power?

00:28:03.520 Well, think about this.

00:28:04.380 Think about you're one of the tenants, which I have to negotiate with, the hyperscalers, the SpaceX, the Microsoft, the Google, whoever it is.

00:28:13.140 Let's just take Box Elder County, because we're talking about Utah.

00:28:15.680 So every single person, I'm going to guess, in Box Elder County, you know, everyone has

00:28:24.740 a cell phone.

00:28:25.740 That's how they talk to their kids, that's how they run their businesses.

00:28:30.100 They're already using a data center.

00:28:31.760 They're already customers of all the aforementioned hyperscalers.

00:28:36.920 If you're an Amazon, or you're a Microsoft, or you're Google, the last thing you want 0.96

00:28:41.280 to do in box elder county is piss off your customer they're not stupid so what they're

00:28:48.860 telling us that the people that are risking the 16 billion dollars half in debt half in equity

00:28:54.660 that's what's going to cost me to build the first phase is you show us your proposals for power and

00:29:00.400 we'll tell you what we want and most of them now are looking for combination of nat gas natural gas

00:29:07.280 air-cooled turbines, solar and sodium-lithium battery combinations

00:29:14.280 so that you can build out, if you have enough land,

00:29:17.280 solar panels that drive grabbing energy during the day,

00:29:22.280 and Utah's pretty good, it's a semi-desert.

00:29:24.280 You're filling up those sodium-lithium batteries

00:29:26.280 and then you're fueling the nighttime activity in the data center.

00:29:30.280 So a combination of all of the above, the Ruby pipeline there

00:29:35.280 is at about 17% capacity.

00:29:37.880 So we can use some of that.

00:29:39.240 We have to spend billions to get all that set up.

00:29:41.720 But then the turbines themselves can be air-cooled

00:29:45.140 or combination of water, air-cooled.

00:29:47.280 Put that part of the water permit. 0.99

00:29:49.600 And then, of course, we need toilets and kitchens

00:29:51.580 and all that stuff.

00:29:52.740 People need water, so we're gonna use water there.

00:29:55.080 But at the end of the day, I'm pretty sure

00:29:56.560 I'm gonna be known different than in phase one.

00:30:00.560 It's gonna be a golf course, no different.

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00:30:11.220 Okay, so I want to tell you the story of the Democratic Socialists of America.

00:30:16.000 And I got to tell you, when I started digging into this,

00:30:18.120 I'm like, oh, geez, I've seen this story before.

00:30:20.200 If you have been watching me for any time,

00:30:22.160 this will take you back to the chalkboard days.

00:30:24.220 And maybe in a couple of weeks,

00:30:25.580 I'll do a chalkboard for insiders after the show on the Democratic Socialists

00:30:29.900 because it sounds so familiar.

00:30:33.180 democratic socialist america it has a governing board it's called the national political committee

00:30:39.980 after the 2025 national convention the far-left news aggregator not a conservative

00:30:46.860 outfit the manhattan or the manhattan institute um but one of theirs did a count on that board

00:30:54.260 and published the count how many communists are on the board after the 2025 national convention

00:31:01.760 how many in the democratic socialists are actual communists

00:31:07.500 51.9 percent are actual self-avowed communists 14.8 percent are middle between socialists and

00:31:20.440 communists and 33 percent are what are called reformists what does that mean i have no idea

00:31:27.240 they didn't publish this as a warning okay they published this as a scoreboard and on the 4th of

00:31:34.460 july on america's 250th birthday the dsa announced it had passed 120 000 members and they put that

00:31:41.080 out with pride they noted correctly that this makes them the largest socialist organization

00:31:46.940 in the history of the united states that's bigger than when eugene debs started the socialist party

00:31:53.180 back in 1912 that was the peak of it it's bigger than the communist party usa have has ever been

00:31:59.060 even in 1947 when stalin still had friends in hollywood and and and russia was an ally okay

00:32:07.000 10 years ago they had 6 000 people 6 000 that's a decent high school now in in major cities

00:32:15.720 now it's a now it's 120 let me show you where this organization came from because the story

00:32:25.260 is not what the what what you think it is and what anybody in the media is ever going to tell

00:32:29.920 you the man who founded it would be sick to his stomach today his name was michael harrington

00:32:36.220 in 1962 michael harrington wrote a book called the other america ricky get that get have the

00:32:43.600 library get me a copy original copy of that book would you the the other america it's about the

00:32:49.920 invisible poor john kennedy read it and helped him kick off the war on poverty okay from the other

00:32:58.100 america and michael harrington harrington was a socialist but he was also and this is a part that

00:33:05.020 nobody will tell you he was also a ferocious anti-communist he believed that the soviet union

00:33:13.000 was a lie and a prison and he believed the american left had to say so out loud every time

00:33:21.680 without a single word of hedging because he did believe that there was a difference between

00:33:26.240 socialism and communism and he made that very clear so the same year 1962 a group of students

00:33:35.320 meet at the UAW retreat in Port Huron, Wisconsin, and they write a manifesto. Students for a

00:33:45.160 democratic society, SDS. This is where the old chalkboards come in from 2008. Tom Hayden held

00:33:52.980 the pin there. And SDS at that point was still under the wing of the older labor socialist outfit

00:33:59.600 that had one rule one rule and it was an exclusion clause that exclusion clause and they the teachers

00:34:07.600 union in california had it up until 2008 they excluded one group you could not join if you

00:34:15.180 were or ever had been or are a communist now that rule existed because the men who wrote it

00:34:23.440 had watched the communist hollow out one organization after another in the 30s and they

00:34:28.780 had learned you let a communist in and they're just going to devour you so harrington reads the

00:34:36.100 port huron statement and he goes to war not over you know economics over just one thing the kids

00:34:43.260 refused to condemn the soviet union without qualification they wanted they wanted to be in

00:34:51.060 the phrase of the era, anti-anti-communists. They thought the exclusion clause was a relic. It was

00:34:59.280 something, you know, a loyalty oath. And it was embarrassing. Only something our fathers worried

00:35:05.000 about with McCarthy. And Harrington is like, no, you don't understand. You don't know history. I

00:35:10.960 fought these people. So he fought these people with SDS and he lost. And he later said, I handled

00:35:17.760 it really really badly but in 1965 sds took the exclusion clause out of its constitution now

00:35:24.960 here's what happened next because you're watching the exact same real play again today with the door

00:35:33.320 open now to communists a maoist outfit called progressive labor walked into sds and started

00:35:41.200 taking it over from the inside remember this is a maoist communist group but they named themselves

00:35:49.020 progressive labor why because that's what communists always do they took this thing over

00:35:55.820 chapter by chapter and caucus by caucus exactly what's happening with the democrats by the summer

00:36:01.960 of 1969 the national convention in chicago blew apart what came out the other side was no longer

00:36:08.900 a student group okay sds as i taught you on the chalkboards a year ago was now the weatherman

00:36:15.040 the days of rage that came that october in march of 1970 a townhouse in greenwich village

00:36:24.540 blew up because the people inside all former sds members all part of the weather underground now

00:36:31.460 were building nail bombs and they didn't know what they were doing a bomb goes off and three

00:36:38.200 of them die that's the arc from a manifesto about participatory democracy to getting rid of the

00:36:49.440 exclusion clause no communists to a nail bomb all in seven years okay the hinge here the only hinge

00:36:57.720 on this was the day they removed the rule that kept out the communists they thought they were

00:37:03.840 just removing a relic but they were removing a wall an important wall and michael harrington

00:37:10.200 spent the rest of his life building an organization that would never make that mistake

00:37:14.480 in 1982 he merged his group with another group called the democratic socialist of america

00:37:22.960 and the dsa carried in its bones a ban on something called democratic centralism

00:37:30.020 What the hell is that? Well, if you know anything about Lenin, it's a Leninist rule that you fight behind closed doors and then present one face to the public, one line, one voice, no dissent.

00:37:46.520 harrington's people said uh no we're not doing that it was in the words of a dsa member

00:37:53.720 a holdover from the group's anti-communist period and a ward against entreatism

00:38:02.420 what the hell does that mean you know one reason i hate communists is they make me learn a whole

00:38:07.660 new language okay what the award against entry it is award like a charm you hang on the door 0.98

00:38:15.200 2025 national convention the dsa repealed this ward again okay now entry entryism what the hell

00:38:26.680 is that strotsky 1934 he he told his followers in france to dissolve their little party and walk

00:38:35.740 into the big socialist party not to join it but to eat it from the youth wing outward

00:38:43.160 it has a name in the trade because it works and it's worked here before and the people doing it

00:38:50.580 right now are not even being coy about it there's a caucus inside the dsa that published an essay

00:38:56.840 titled communists belong in the dsa i'm telling you gang you might be a socialist and go no no

00:39:04.460 it's socialism we don't want anything to do with communism i don't think there's that many people

00:39:08.580 fighting against it honestly but if there are that's you it's already written it's already done

00:39:14.280 okay you took away you took away the ban on communism a couple of dsa guys went on a podcast

00:39:22.040 recently and they explained that the organization is the most fruitful ground they've got because

00:39:26.480 the members there are open to the most radical position in the room that's not my characterization 0.92

00:39:34.180 that's their characterization that's a recruiting pitch set out loud in a microphone you're crazy

00:39:41.920 you want to do you want communism come on in we'll listen to you

00:39:45.420 and when it comes to running the place don't listen to the press don't listen to me

00:39:51.420 let the votes tell you there's a maoist in the dsa who goes by black red guard whose caucus put

00:40:00.040 out a statement supporting the man accused of gunning down two israeli embassy staffers

00:40:05.640 remember the male and female that were killed they were going to be married okay outside of

00:40:11.200 a museum in washington dc black red guard in the dsa puts out a statement supporting that guy

00:40:19.200 he got himself elected to something the dsa calls it's red rabbits security commission

00:40:25.500 so let me let me focus this here for you a member of the national board removed moved to remove this

00:40:33.980 guy the motion failed 15 to 10 10 people out of 25 thought a caucus that celebrates an assassin

00:40:43.440 should not be running their security only 10

00:40:49.760 last month the marxist unity group put out an amendment to the dsa's national program it

00:40:57.300 passed 12 to 11 what does that say listen to this you think they don't want to change the

00:41:03.780 united states fundamentally get away from the constitution and the declaration this is what

00:41:08.860 they just passed that the presidency and the supreme court of the united states should be

00:41:14.720 abolished and replaced

00:41:16.980 with bodies chosen by

00:41:18.640 Congress and subordinate to

00:41:20.800 Congress.

00:41:23.100 We're not talking about extra

00:41:24.920 help. See, this is what they said

00:41:26.940 on The View. You know, I'm for

00:41:28.600 firefighters and they're socialists. No,

00:41:30.840 they're not. No, they're

00:41:32.720 not.

00:41:34.420 And even if they were, that's not what we're

00:41:36.620 talking about anymore.

00:41:38.520 They just passed, 12

00:41:40.720 to 11, the new policy

00:41:42.820 that presidency and the Supreme Court of the United States should be abolished and replaced

00:41:47.960 with bodies chosen by Congress and subordinate to Congress. Now, you can say it all you want,

00:41:52.180 but you're the people that told me that, you know, there were no such things as Marxist or

00:41:56.760 Islamist, and if there were, they would never rise to power, Mom Donnie. By the way, separation of

00:42:04.420 powers, it's not just a feature of the American system. It is the American system. So the amendment

00:42:11.560 is a proposal to end the republic and it was passed by the board of the largest socialist

00:42:17.400 organization in america the largest one in history by one vote and i would bet you

00:42:23.120 a year's salary that you've never heard this from anybody in the mainstream media

00:42:28.780 so here's what democrats need to know this is not your democratic party of your father okay i want

00:42:36.820 to be precise what it used to mean because the democrats have a history that is you know better

00:42:42.960 than they remember and better than we give them credit for on this particular thing in 1947

00:42:48.200 american liberals founded americans for democratic action and they wrote it into a rule no communists

00:42:56.500 not we disagree with communists not we don't want any in the building and eleanor roosevelt signed

00:43:03.700 on reinhold niemohler uh arthur schleschenzer uh hubert hubert humphrey which is he got this

00:43:11.440 guy in minnesota he was the most liberal guy ever okay in 1947 he and orville freeman spent

00:43:20.760 1948 physically driving the fellow travelers out of the democratic farmer labor party which is

00:43:27.440 damn near communist now precinct by precinct in a knife fight and it took better than a year

00:43:33.160 that same year henry wallace ran for president as the candidate of the popular front and american 0.98

00:43:39.760 liberals buried him 2.4 zero electoral votes okay so i want you to remember 1954 hubert humphrey

00:43:50.120 the most liberal man in the united states senate the man who forced civil rights onto the

00:43:56.220 democratic party's platform which cost them the south co-sponsored a bill to outlaw the communist

00:44:02.380 party in the united states that's from the left okay the most liberal guy no communist is called

00:44:08.160 the communist control act look it up still on the books that was the democratic party your father

00:44:14.400 argued with he thought they were wrong not just about taxes he thought you know he knew they were

00:44:21.360 not unclear about america and where the principles they fought for and now this generation has no

00:44:29.000 idea so the democrats had antibodies ugly ones sometimes clumsy ones but antibodies and they

00:44:34.680 used them because they had watched what happened to every left-wing party in europe that didn't

00:44:39.900 have antibodies and the antibodies are all gone now they're not weakened they're repealed vote

00:44:44.540 by vote at a convention in 2025 so don't tell me the person flirting with this is harmless

00:44:52.240 don't tell me it's a phase it's a t-shirt it's a che poster a kid who read half of marks and is

00:44:58.440 growing out of it the people who removed the exclusion clause from sds in 1965 were not

00:45:04.700 monsters they were decent they were idealistic they were generous-hearted kids who thought the

00:45:09.820 old men were paranoid and that's the same thing seven years later three of them were dead in a

00:45:15.140 basement with a bomb they were building because here's the thing about this idea and it's the

00:45:20.780 only thing that has ever mattered about communism it's not an economic theory that went badly

00:45:25.800 it's the theory of human beings and it says you're not an individual you're not endowed by your

00:45:33.080 creator you don't have infinite and unrepeatable worth it says you're a member of a class and

00:45:40.320 you're replaceable once you're a member of that class instead of a soul everything else is

00:45:46.140 arithmetic math can't afford that well we have to just figure out mathematically which one gets it

00:45:51.440 which one doesn't a hundred million dead last century that's arithmetic you don't get to a

00:45:59.300 gulag from i care about the poor you get there from you're not a person you're a category so

00:46:03.820 don't dismiss it not because the 22 year old in the dsa meeting is dangerous he isn't i'm sure

00:46:09.660 he's lovely he'll help you carry the groceries you don't dismiss it because the idea is patient

00:46:15.080 and it's done it over and over and over again and it always enters through the good people

00:46:19.120 who took the ward off the door the north koreans call it the democratic people's republic of korea

00:46:26.120 forget about the name the name's not the guide the name has never been the guide

00:46:29.960 look at the votes and what they actually believe 51 percent are self-avowed communists

00:46:39.580 oh he's craving his call of communists he's crazy okay whatever ignore me again

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