On this episode of the Glenn Beck Program, host Glenn Beck talks about the tragic death of his son Charlie Kirk, and how we should remember him. He also talks about what we should do to honor the memory of Charlie and the families of the shooter.
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00:05:25.740The clips I saw of him were always like him mixing it up with some liberal on campus.
00:05:29.120And then I was very impressed by him over the past couple of years, at least when I noticed it, that how he was able to take time with people and try to explain things in a very calm, rational way is particularly around faith.
00:05:43.840I mean, he was a shining example of what you're supposed to be doing in those interactions.
00:07:08.740Like I, it was, you know, when I saw like, Oh, right wing guy on the podcast with a bunch of porn stars.
00:07:14.000Like I almost didn't even click on the clip because it, you know, I don't know.
00:07:17.840I've seen a million of the, this type of stuff and it's just, it's not the type of stuff that interests me.
00:07:21.800And then seeing the way he handled that situation was like really impressive.
00:07:26.600And also it made you think, you know, how can I be more like this person in a moment like that?
00:07:34.120And the reaction of all of the people around him was to be like, wow, you know, you're really respectful and we appreciate you having this conversation.
00:07:42.700And maybe he didn't win anybody over to Christ in that room that day.
00:07:47.580Maybe someone will be changed by that interaction, but he was a shining light of what you were supposed to do.
00:07:54.380And I thought it was really, really impressive.
00:07:56.700I was very impressed by Charlie Kirk in person.
00:07:59.720And, you know, you see so much stuff on social media and it's like, I don't know, it's all, everything on social media is trash, but meeting him in person and seeing him go through, you know, the, the detail that he had, you know, he was really well read.
00:08:15.020As you mentioned, let me play the clip here.
00:08:18.880Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently and I hope the chat enjoyed it.
00:08:24.240Look, for whatever it's worth, if you're, if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.
00:08:32.080I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but just maybe you'll have an encounter with God and Jesus loves all of you and he can transform your life.
00:08:41.460I've had a lot of problems in my life, a lot of problems and Jesus solves everything.
00:08:45.580And every day is a new day and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.
00:08:50.100And, um, I know that might not be something you even believe and you might think that all Christians hate you and your way of life and, um, all those sorts of things.
00:09:27.240Let me go back to the, um, the information that we have.
00:09:30.680It looks like now the FBI is investigating the social media post by at least seven different accounts that appear to have had foreknowledge of the assassination.
00:09:42.460Um, one of which referred to the date of Kirk's assassination, September 10th, more than a month before it took place.
00:09:50.600All were deleted in, uh, the days following the killing.
00:09:55.720Several of the accounts appear to be transgender individuals.
00:09:59.380At least one of them, uh, followed Tyler Robinson's, uh, roommate, uh, with whom Robinson was allegedly in a relationship with.
00:10:09.100The FBI has received archive copies of the posts.
00:10:12.320The posts don't establish that any of the individuals knew or conspired with Robinson.
00:10:17.440Um, but you know, it's, uh, pretty damning, pretty damning posts.
00:10:24.660Um, especially from, uh, especially from the, uh, the roommate, uh, you know, I, I, I don't know what he apparently is, uh, cooperating with the police.
00:10:40.400Everybody around Robinson is now cooperating with the police.
00:11:35.260They found this suspicious device under the vehicle parked near an occupied, uh, vehicle.
00:11:40.720Uh, the bomb had been lit, but failed to function as designed.
00:11:45.480We don't know, we don't know why this was the target.
00:11:50.900We can, we can guess at it, but we don't know.
00:11:53.260But the two suspects identified, um, uh, neither one of them, it appears as though they had, uh, some sort of record, uh, because they were, uh, not supposed to be near guns.
00:12:53.460Cause I, I think that's pretty much a good rule of thumb for everybody.
00:12:56.500Uh, and maybe that's, I mean, unless you're in the bomb making, you know, industry, uh, being, being away from bomb making material.
00:13:03.840Probably might be a good rule of thumb, I think, you know, uh, but we'll find out more about these two guys, uh, as the investigation, uh, goes on.
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00:15:11.680Uh, I understand the point with the cancel culture thing.
00:15:15.760It's bizarre that all of a sudden we're supposed to think that the left cares about cancel culture after they've been developing it as a weapon for all of these years.
00:15:22.980It's, it's such a shocking thing, but I actually am pretty sensitive to the idea of an excuse for one of these things being, oh, well, this one's different.
00:15:35.220And here's why, because you can always come up with some difference, right?
00:15:38.060Like that is a very standard thing that everyone does in their arguments.
00:15:41.460Oh, well, I'm disagreeing with a position I held a month ago.
00:15:46.940And here's why there's always an, there's always a way to generate a why it's different.
00:15:52.620The question is, are you actually being consistent with your principles and your values?
00:15:56.100And in this one, I don't think there's anything inconsistent with what we're talking about here.
00:16:00.740As you point out, if I, I've never in my life, by the way, met a person who has cheered on a murder.
00:16:07.840I've never in my life met someone like that.
00:16:10.520And so here, if you have a situation where if there was someone working here or someone I was working with, God forbid, working at my children's school,
00:16:18.340who was cheering on a murder of literally anyone, right or left, I wouldn't want them around me or around my kids.
00:16:26.000It seems like a person who's pretty unbalanced and someone you don't want around.
00:16:30.260That has nothing to do with making an off-color joke in 1998.
00:16:34.100That's, that's what cancel culture was about.
00:16:36.020Hey, you made a political donation to a organization that was supporting a cause at the time that was backed by 70% of people.
00:17:51.160We couldn't prove it at the time, but we could, we could see all the dots and all the connections and go, uh, I think you're probably wrong.
00:18:22.000If, if I didn't want to take the vaccine because I said, yeah, because I just want to kill a whole bunch of people, it would be cancel culture.
00:18:29.800It would be common sense and decency to remove me from whatever it is.
00:18:36.360I'm, I, I don't, I wouldn't want to go into a McDonald's with a guy going, yeah, I just want to give his, I want to kill as many grandmas as I can.
00:18:42.420Hey, you see that guy that was in marriage mask and his greatest killing grandparents.
00:18:46.820I wouldn't want to be around that person.
00:19:15.020Um, a lot of them though, are at jobs that are specifically dealing with children, for example, like teachers at schools.
00:19:24.640Teachers, every single teacher should be fired.
00:19:26.880If you're engaged in any of this, if you didn't stand up in front of your class and then on social media and everything else and say, look, I disagree with Charlie Kirk.
00:19:36.620I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk, but this is wrong.
00:20:21.640And if I want to channel my inner Charlie Kirk here for a moment and give as much grace as possible to the people, we there is a culture right now of people who almost treat politics and human life as this sort of like sport and game.
00:20:39.080Like, you know, I after specific Eagles losses, I have said certainly things that are not appropriate.
00:20:47.000I may have encouraged them to dissolve the franchise and blow up the stadium.
00:20:49.960Those sorts of thoughts enter your head and they're irrational, right?
00:20:55.160And because you're joking, it's, you know, but like you feel like I could almost see a person doing something like this that is so involved in politics and so crazy that they can't control themselves.
00:21:08.280I have not seen one story, though, yet.
00:21:25.680I would love to find someone who had that moment where they actually did celebrate it and then saw the video of themselves and realized what a monster they had become.
00:21:36.640That is an actually interesting story.
00:21:40.360There has to be somebody in that crowd that had that moment because this is not about politics.
00:21:45.700As I said, Glenn, if the same exact thing happened to someone on the left and I knew someone on the right who cheered it on the exact same way, I would never want to talk to them again.
00:21:56.360You're a horrible human being if you react that way to anyone's murder.
00:22:00.540And to sit back and see that happen, there has to be somebody, I would think, who said, God, I am lost.
00:22:08.680I've gone down this road of turning my entire life into politics.
00:22:12.880And to the point that I'm now cheering on a young father's death, what have I become?
00:22:18.660There has to be somebody who went through that moment over the past few days.
00:24:14.220That's what I would expect out of human beings.
00:24:17.020You know, I will say at least somewhat encouraged by, for example, a decent amount of sports franchises having moments of silence for Charlie Kirk.
00:24:25.380I don't think that happens three or four or five years ago.
00:26:25.700Because no one else would stand up and do it because they knew the cost.
00:26:30.660I mean, getting somebody like Charlie to stand up and do this who's not deeply flawed is pretty rare.
00:26:37.240I mean, this guy was who he said he was, and he was absolutely a civil rights – now, I believe, a civil rights icon because he died proclaiming the civil right of free speech.
00:26:52.980He died proclaiming the rights given to us by God.
00:26:59.740I don't understand why we would not redefine what a civil rights leader is in this moment because that's a true civil right – you know, Jesse Jackson, he's not a civil right.
00:27:13.100Al Sharpton, he's not a civil rights leader.
00:27:17.440They may have been, you know, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson may have been back in the day, but in the 80s and 90s and 2000s, they're not civil rights leaders.
00:27:29.060The civil rights of our era is about freedom of speech, freedom of thought.
00:27:35.320That's what the whole argument is about.
00:27:37.640That's why we're so afraid of our country.
00:27:39.680Are you going to be banned on social media?
00:27:43.380Are you going to be allowed to say anything?
00:27:45.040Are you going to be allowed to work anywhere unless – if you don't agree with DEI, you're out.
00:27:54.780I have the civil right to be able to stand up and say, no, I don't want my children seeing that.
00:27:59.580I don't want my children indoctrinated that way.
00:28:01.900I don't want to take and put that into my body because I don't think that that is what you say it is.
00:28:08.380I have a civil right to say those things.
00:28:11.260How is Charlie Kirk not the iconic civil right leader of the day?
00:28:19.220I think that ground should be taken by Charlie Kirk, taken back to what it originally was when Abraham Lincoln and Booker T and Frederick Douglass were fighting for civil rights and doing it for the right reasons.
00:28:39.560They believed in actual civil rights, as did Martin Luther King.
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00:30:06.400I agree with everything you said, and the university president is a coward, I believe.
00:30:11.500She didn't say anything until she was forced to say something a Friday afternoon, and, you know, UVU is going to be known as the place that killed Charlie Kirk.
00:30:59.580When we spoke last week, we were both extremely emotional because our friend had been brutally assassinated, and I hear the fire, the righteous anger in you, and I feel so hopeful in the midst of grief today, Glenn, because this is our whole country.
00:31:15.220We're all rising up like a roaring lion, determined not just to post about this and talk about this, but to enact change, to make sure that our country is not captured by this evil anymore, and it gives me so much hope.
00:31:28.780I mean, I have hope because I know God, and I see what's happening, and this is a God movement.
00:31:36.600And, you know, it's one thing if it was just about political change, but I think this is driving people to their knees and bringing people to God, and that's the only way that all of this is going to be solved, is if we solve it through God.
00:31:51.880And I'm seeing some really, really positive signs.
00:31:55.460Liz, let me talk to you about something that you wrote recently.
00:32:27.500I don't say this trying to pick a fight with anyone or to trigger anyone.
00:32:30.780I know the response online has been a lot of people have been saying, have been disagreeing with me, and that's okay.
00:32:35.800But I do encourage everyone to listen to what I'm saying.
00:32:38.660We have a parenting crisis in our country.
00:32:40.720I mean, on Christmas Day, 2013, Tyler Robinson's mother posted on her Facebook page, we just saw pictures of this because her Facebook page was public, of what, he was 10 years old at the time, of her child, Tyler Robinson, deep in video games and gaming.
00:32:55.140And she made a joke about now that he's got the gaming equipment that he likes, he can avoid us at all times.
00:33:00.020Well, you don't allow your 10-year-old child to isolate himself from the family to game on the computer with full access to the big, evil Internet, and then expect us to say,
00:33:09.300oh, wow, you did everything right with him, and he still turned out to be an evil murderer.
00:33:15.340The truth of the matter is, Glenn, and our country is ripe at this moment for accepting the truth.
00:33:21.420Parents are given a duty to shepherd their children's souls, and that doesn't mean just buying them food or buying them stuff or carpooling them to activities.
00:33:30.100It means forming their children's moral consciences and filling their minds with discernment of good and evil.
00:33:35.600And listen, my eldest is only four and a half years old, and I already know this is no easy task.
00:33:56.440Your child might be the only one without a cell phone who has never even heard of TikTok,
00:33:59.920or your child might be the oddball who goes to church every Sunday while his peers are, you know, watching porn or doom-scrolling on Reddit.
00:34:07.040It certainly won't make you popular as a parent among your parental peers because nothing sets other parents on the defensive more than when you tell your child no to something they permit.
00:34:16.920It means setting moral standards for your child, but also not just enforcing those like a law enforcement officer,
00:34:24.660but teaching him or her long before enforcing those standards is necessary to make that right choice themselves.
00:34:30.960It means saying no to public school where the secular, anti-Christian, anti-American, morally relativistic,
00:34:37.760and honestly, often downright Marxist indoctrination begins.
00:34:41.860It means saying no to colleges that will indoctrinate him into a hardened communist revolutionary.
00:34:48.020It means saying no to video games and the internet and cell phones and, yes, even friends and peers who don't share his values,
00:34:54.380and instead teaching him that he must live with his eyes to eternity, that his life is not his own, that it's Christ.
00:35:01.600Glenn, we have a parenting crisis in our country because parents think their children are boss.
00:35:07.240They pretend that their kids know more than they do so that they don't have to discipline,
00:35:11.980so that they don't have to acknowledge right and wrong themselves.
00:35:15.380Parents, especially my generation or one generation above, are godless themselves,
00:35:20.300and then they wonder why their children turn out captured by the demonic.
00:35:24.400So, yes, I would not wish on my worst enemy the agony that Tyler Robinson's father must be feeling,
00:35:30.540but the time for truth is here, and the truth is parents are the first blind guardians of their children's minds, bodies,
00:35:36.820and souls, and souls, and parents like Tyler Robinson's are not without blame for the way he turned out.
00:35:42.400Okay, so can I push back here with you?
00:35:47.240Because you know how much I respect you and I love you, Liz, so let's just have a good conversation here.
00:35:53.160What were your parents like? Were they good parents?
00:36:43.300Took it away from him a couple years later, you know, when we had the FBI at our house.
00:36:48.160And I have seen the indoctrination of my children, and Tanya and I have fought for the souls of our children like crazy, like nobody's business.
00:37:02.180And both of us feel like we fell really, really short.
00:37:06.280I mean, we don't know what we could have done.
00:37:10.480And then there are other things that we're like, yeah, we could have done that.
00:37:34.980I agree with everything you said about being a parent.
00:37:38.860My first thought when I read your post today was you're a young parent, and you have no idea what is coming your way.
00:37:55.340You have more of an idea than I did in 2010, 2013, because you're now seeing it.
00:38:03.300But what our kids are going through, and it's different again for you because you're a little younger, you can relate a little bit more to the culture that is going on.
00:38:15.900And Tanya and I both looked at this culture, and we were like, I don't even recognize any of it.
00:38:21.620There's nothing that I grew up with as a standard that I could go, oh, yeah, well, let's talk to the teacher.
00:38:44.240And, you know, you also have people telling you, your kids are going to commit suicide.
00:38:49.020If you don't do this, your kids are going to commit suicide.
00:38:51.920My kids, we didn't give them a phone until the school required them to have a phone.
00:38:57.220And I would have liked to have gone to several private schools, but because we're from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, every school, every, every Christian school but one turned us down.
00:39:17.300And I know some of the good pastors that run some of these schools.
00:39:21.120And I went to them and I said, I'm not asking you to change your doctrine.
00:39:24.920I'm not asking you to make special, you know, dispensations.
00:39:28.240I want my kids to learn about your religion.
00:39:31.020I want it to challenge what they believe because they have to, wouldn't accept our children because we were of a different faith.
00:39:38.120And a faith that apparently was just too evil for everybody else.
00:39:41.960So, you know, I don't know what the situation is with parents and I don't ever want to judge a parent.
00:39:48.740And I feel horrible just as I did when that shooter, the milkman, went with the Amish and shot up all of the children in the Amish community.
00:41:31.520I can't imagine what that feels like as a mother.
00:41:33.800I don't think that calling parents to a higher standard or encouraging them to open their eyes is an indictment or judgment on, like, looking down my nose at parents as large.
00:41:49.500There are a lot of experiences I haven't had yet.
00:41:51.720As I said, my oldest daughter is not yet five.
00:41:53.760I have no idea what it is like to have a 10-year-old and a 15-year-old and a 20-year-old, and I fully acknowledge that.
00:42:00.500But what I do know is when there is brokenness, and you are such a redemptive story, Glenn.
00:42:06.940You come from a family where there was incredible brokenness.
00:42:10.040One of the prayers I say over my children every day is for God to protect them from my brokenness and from my sin and from my mistakes, because it doesn't matter if you came from a good family.
00:42:19.960It doesn't matter if you feel that your eyes are open.
00:42:22.440We are all falling short of the glory of God, and I'm no exception to that, so I don't mean to sound prideful or snobby either.
00:42:29.640But I do think that we need to not calibrate our expectations for parents to meet just the lowest common denominator.
00:42:39.300We need to call people to something higher, because the fact of the matter is, even if you didn't know any better than to give your son gaming equipment,
00:42:46.920even if these parents can plead ignorance, we are in a culture now that has degraded the value of a mother and a father to just daycare workers, and that's not our role.
00:42:56.800Our role is to form the moral conscience of these children.