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00:00:00.000 Hey, on today's podcast, I think there is a real change happening.

00:00:04.900 I think there was a turning point last week.

00:00:08.520 And I am seeing it in social media and in my own personal life.

00:00:12.360 People are turning a corner, waking up, and they are taking a stand in the most positive a way.

00:00:17.960 First, they're standing with their God and eternal truths.

00:00:23.860 And that is amazing. We talk about that.

00:00:26.000 Also, the one clip that epitomizes Charlie Kirk, I think, and so does Stu.

00:00:30.900 This is exactly how we should remember him.

00:00:33.940 And did the people know that we're in transgender communities?

00:00:40.020 Did they know about the assassination before it occurred?

00:00:43.380 We talk about what's happening in the case itself and the difference between the cancel culture with the left

00:00:48.260 and canceling beliefs versus canceling those who are celebrating Charlie's death.

00:00:53.680 Is there a difference? I explain.

00:00:56.180 Also, Liz Wheeler to talk about families, the families of the shooter, and you as a parent.

00:01:02.880 What can you learn?

00:01:04.240 All that and more on today's podcast.

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00:03:15.360 Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

00:03:17.060 The vice president today is going to be doing the Charlie Kirk Show directly following this broadcast from 12 to 2.

00:03:28.080 And he's going to be, I think he's doing it from Washington, D.C.

00:03:33.800 You know, it's going to be hard to secure TPUSA for something like the vice president.

00:03:38.640 But he'll be doing it today, two hours, on air, on the Charlie Kirk Show.

00:03:45.540 I'm going to be doing it Wednesday from TPUSA.

00:03:50.040 You can watch The Charlie Kirk Show on thecharliekirkshow.com.

00:03:54.700 Rumble and also on his X account or America's Voice Network.

00:04:00.180 But make sure you join us.

00:04:01.540 I found out today that they're not announcing.

00:04:04.540 I know who else is doing it this week.

00:04:07.060 It's an incredible roster.

00:04:09.720 And they're not announcing it for security reasons.

00:04:14.300 And I wish I would have thought of that before I said something.

00:04:18.240 But, you know.

00:04:20.500 And they're still doing the campus things.

00:04:24.960 I mean, I find that amazing.

00:04:28.580 How are you going to make that thing?

00:04:29.900 You're not doing it outside, that's for sure.

00:04:32.160 How are you making those secure?

00:04:33.780 And who's going to do it?

00:04:35.160 I was supposed to be with Charlie in two weeks, I think, on one of these campuses.

00:04:40.060 And I don't, I mean, I said to Charlie, I don't have the temperament for that one, Charlie.

00:04:44.600 I'm not.

00:04:46.760 I get testy fast. 1.00

00:04:49.820 I don't, I don't, I have a hard time with stupidity. 1.00

00:04:54.340 But Charlie didn't. 1.00

00:04:55.720 I mean, Charlie was able to sit there through it and really talk to people.

00:04:59.380 And that's not me.

00:05:00.160 I just don't do that.

00:05:02.220 But I don't know.

00:05:03.460 They're still doing them.

00:05:04.660 So I don't know if, I know my daughter does not want me to go.

00:05:09.540 But we'll see.

00:05:10.380 Was that something that developed over time, Glenn, for Charlie?

00:05:13.540 Because my impression of Charlie early on was, you know, he was in there mixing it up.

00:05:18.820 Maybe more aggressively.

00:05:20.600 And then I noticed, I mean, he, you know, always was respectful.

00:05:24.080 But like, you know, it was out there.

00:05:25.740 The clips I saw of him were always like him mixing it up with some liberal on campus.

00:05:29.120 And then I was very impressed by him over the past couple of years, at least when I noticed it, that how he was able to take time with people and try to explain things in a very calm, rational way is particularly around faith.

00:05:43.840 I mean, he was a shining example of what you're supposed to be doing in those interactions.

00:05:48.380 It's very difficult to do.

00:05:50.040 Did that develop over time for him?

00:05:51.460 I don't, I couldn't tell you.

00:05:54.160 I noticed it the same way.

00:05:55.780 I noticed it, that he became calmer and calmer, you know, as things went on.

00:06:00.360 I think he just, I mean, he was, did he have a photographic memory?

00:06:04.940 I don't even know.

00:06:05.740 You know, you know, a guy didn't go to college.

00:06:09.640 That's probably why he's as smart as he was, but he never went to college.

00:06:13.460 Everything he learned, he learned on his own through his own, you know, research and homework and reading.

00:06:17.960 He was constantly reading and, you know, through scriptures.

00:06:23.000 And I, I bet you he mellowed with, as he became more and more mature in his faith.

00:06:32.040 Yeah.

00:06:32.480 I bet he, I bet he mellowed at that point.

00:06:35.240 And became just more confident in his faith as well.

00:06:39.240 There's a clip that went viral a few months ago.

00:06:40.820 I think we played it on the air.

00:06:42.260 I don't remember exactly if we did, but we, I know I talked about it off the air a lot with, with various people.

00:06:48.260 It was like, I, and I, I didn't know Charlie Kirk was this guy.

00:06:51.500 And it was a clip of him in a, doing a podcast with a bunch of porn stars.

00:06:56.040 Do you know this clip?

00:06:58.040 No.

00:06:58.620 And he's talking to them and he's just like, you know, I just think God has something better for you.

00:07:05.240 Oh, I do remember that.

00:07:06.540 Yeah.

00:07:06.820 And it was like, it was amazing.

00:07:08.420 Yeah. 0.62

00:07:08.740 Like I, it was, you know, when I saw like, Oh, right wing guy on the podcast with a bunch of porn stars.

00:07:14.000 Like I almost didn't even click on the clip because it, you know, I don't know.

00:07:17.840 I've seen a million of the, this type of stuff and it's just, it's not the type of stuff that interests me.

00:07:21.800 And then seeing the way he handled that situation was like really impressive.

00:07:26.600 And also it made you think, you know, how can I be more like this person in a moment like that?

00:07:34.120 And the reaction of all of the people around him was to be like, wow, you know, you're really respectful and we appreciate you having this conversation.

00:07:42.700 And maybe he didn't win anybody over to Christ in that room that day.

00:07:47.080 Who knows?

00:07:47.580 Maybe someone will be changed by that interaction, but he was a shining light of what you were supposed to do.

00:07:54.380 And I thought it was really, really impressive.

00:07:56.700 I was very impressed by Charlie Kirk in person.

00:07:59.720 And, you know, you see so much stuff on social media and it's like, I don't know, it's all, everything on social media is trash, but meeting him in person and seeing him go through, you know, the, the detail that he had, you know, he was really well read.

00:08:15.020 As you mentioned, let me play the clip here.

00:08:17.720 Here's the clip.

00:08:18.880 Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently and I hope the chat enjoyed it.

00:08:24.240 Look, for whatever it's worth, if you're, if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you.

00:08:32.080 I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but just maybe you'll have an encounter with God and Jesus loves all of you and he can transform your life.

00:08:40.160 He transformed my life.

00:08:41.460 I've had a lot of problems in my life, a lot of problems and Jesus solves everything.

00:08:45.580 And every day is a new day and it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you.

00:08:50.100 And, um, I know that might not be something you even believe and you might think that all Christians hate you and your way of life and, um, all those sorts of things.

00:08:58.080 Most of them do.

00:08:58.860 Well, I'll say this.

00:08:59.560 I'm a pretty firm, believing, outspoken Christian and God loves every single one of us.

00:09:04.120 We're all sinners.

00:09:05.140 Uh, and Jesus died.

00:09:06.380 I mean, you've definitely been the most respectful one that I've seen.

00:09:09.820 Well, thank you.

00:09:10.380 That's very, very kind.

00:09:12.120 And I can tell you, it's not me.

00:09:13.860 If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming.

00:09:15.820 It's the Holy Spirit.

00:09:18.100 That's fantastic.

00:09:19.460 That's true.

00:09:19.920 That's exactly how I want to remember him.

00:09:21.440 That clip.

00:09:22.860 Yeah.

00:09:23.760 He was a good man.

00:09:25.240 He was exactly like that.

00:09:26.480 He was a good man.

00:09:27.240 Let me go back to the, um, the information that we have.

00:09:30.680 It looks like now the FBI is investigating the social media post by at least seven different accounts that appear to have had foreknowledge of the assassination.

00:09:42.460 Um, one of which referred to the date of Kirk's assassination, September 10th, more than a month before it took place.

00:09:50.600 All were deleted in, uh, the days following the killing.

00:09:55.720 Several of the accounts appear to be transgender individuals.

00:09:59.380 At least one of them, uh, followed Tyler Robinson's, uh, roommate, uh, with whom Robinson was allegedly in a relationship with.

00:10:09.100 The FBI has received archive copies of the posts.

00:10:12.320 The posts don't establish that any of the individuals knew or conspired with Robinson.

00:10:17.440 Um, but you know, it's, uh, pretty damning, pretty damning posts.

00:10:24.660 Um, especially from, uh, especially from the, uh, the roommate, uh, you know, I, I, I don't know what he apparently is, uh, cooperating with the police.

00:10:40.400 Everybody around Robinson is now cooperating with the police.

00:10:44.900 Um, but, uh, but we'll see.

00:10:47.340 We, we just don't have any idea of what actually happened yet.

00:10:52.380 There, there, there is suspicion that there might have been more people at least involved or knowing about it.

00:10:59.700 And now there's, uh, also suspicion that possibly the, uh, there was foreign influence on this.

00:11:09.500 Now, I don't know if any of this is true yet.

00:11:12.600 Did you see the two guys that were arrested for putting a bomb under the truck, uh, the, uh, Fox 13 truck in Salt Lake City?

00:11:19.760 Uh, so authorities say that they arrested two men on putting a incendiary device under a Fox 13 news vehicle in Salt Lake City.

00:11:31.920 Uh, bomb squads responded.

00:11:34.060 This was on Friday.

00:11:35.260 They found this suspicious device under the vehicle parked near an occupied, uh, vehicle.

00:11:40.720 Uh, the bomb had been lit, but failed to function as designed.

00:11:45.480 We don't know, we don't know why this was the target.

00:11:50.900 We can, we can guess at it, but we don't know.

00:11:53.260 But the two suspects identified, um, uh, neither one of them, it appears as though they had, uh, some sort of record, uh, because they were, uh, not supposed to be near guns.

00:12:11.340 I don't know why that is.

00:12:16.020 We know their names.

00:12:17.580 They appear to be Arab, um, of Arab descent.

00:12:21.940 We don't know if they were here legally or illegally.

00:12:25.060 Um, it appears as though they may have been Muslim, uh, ages 58 and 31 might've been a father son.

00:12:32.520 We, we just don't know yet.

00:12:34.560 They went to the house and they found all kinds of bomb making materials and, uh, guns, et cetera, et cetera.

00:12:41.720 None of which, either of them were supposed to be, um, anywhere near, obviously.

00:12:47.020 I don't know why you would be around bomb making.

00:12:49.760 You know, it's like, you're not supposed to be around bomb making material.

00:12:52.980 Really?

00:12:53.460 Cause I, I think that's pretty much a good rule of thumb for everybody.

00:12:56.500 Uh, and maybe that's, I mean, unless you're in the bomb making, you know, industry, uh, being, being away from bomb making material.

00:13:03.840 Probably might be a good rule of thumb, I think, you know, uh, but we'll find out more about these two guys, uh, as the investigation, uh, goes on.

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00:14:15.640 This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

00:14:19.280 We're talking about the aftermath of, uh, Charlie Kirk and cancel culture.

00:14:26.920 This is not cancel culture.

00:14:29.300 Um, you know, and especially, you know, I don't want it driven by the mobs.

00:14:34.160 I think, you know, if somebody says they're celebrating somebody's death, I think that's somebody I don't want to work with.

00:14:40.880 You know, Stu and I were just talking in Minnesota.

00:14:44.200 If, if anybody on my staff would have said, oh my gosh, this is so great.

00:14:49.020 Do you see they just killed those politicians in Minnesota? 0.95

00:14:51.900 I would have fired them on the spot. 0.99

00:14:54.280 Would have fired them on the spot.

00:14:57.240 We didn't say those things.

00:14:58.740 Um, and you know, that's, that's not what normal people think.

00:15:04.240 And if you are on the right and you do think that way, you're not a normal person.

00:15:08.860 You're sick and you seek help. 0.96

00:15:10.860 Yeah. 0.93

00:15:11.680 Uh, I understand the point with the cancel culture thing.

00:15:15.760 It's bizarre that all of a sudden we're supposed to think that the left cares about cancel culture after they've been developing it as a weapon for all of these years.

00:15:22.980 It's, it's such a shocking thing, but I actually am pretty sensitive to the idea of an excuse for one of these things being, oh, well, this one's different.

00:15:35.220 And here's why, because you can always come up with some difference, right?

00:15:38.060 Like that is a very standard thing that everyone does in their arguments.

00:15:41.460 Oh, well, I'm disagreeing with a position I held a month ago.

00:15:45.860 Well, this is different.

00:15:46.940 And here's why there's always an, there's always a way to generate a why it's different.

00:15:52.620 The question is, are you actually being consistent with your principles and your values?

00:15:56.100 And in this one, I don't think there's anything inconsistent with what we're talking about here.

00:16:00.740 As you point out, if I, I've never in my life, by the way, met a person who has cheered on a murder.

00:16:07.840 I've never in my life met someone like that.

00:16:10.520 And so here, if you have a situation where if there was someone working here or someone I was working with, God forbid, working at my children's school,

00:16:18.340 who was cheering on a murder of literally anyone, right or left, I wouldn't want them around me or around my kids.

00:16:26.000 It seems like a person who's pretty unbalanced and someone you don't want around.

00:16:30.260 That has nothing to do with making an off-color joke in 1998.

00:16:34.100 That's, that's what cancel culture was about. 0.98

00:16:36.020 Hey, you made a political donation to a organization that was supporting a cause at the time that was backed by 70% of people.

00:16:44.560 Now we're going to cancel you.

00:16:46.300 That is the type of stuff that was cancel culture.

00:16:49.040 This really is different.

00:16:50.940 And that was also mob, it was also mob driven.

00:16:53.560 Yeah.

00:16:54.040 Cancel culture is also mob driven.

00:16:56.580 And that's the problem.

00:16:57.740 Another thing that they invented on the left, they invented this, this cancel culture.

00:17:02.260 And, you know, honestly, read Cheryl Atkinson's book.

00:17:05.500 It started on my, with my program.

00:17:07.960 I mean, they, they did all kinds of stuff they had never, ever done before to a, a figure in the media.

00:17:17.020 And they just ripped me apart.

00:17:19.580 They thought they won, but they, they actually didn't.

00:17:23.340 And B, what they did was they perfected it and it worked for a little while.

00:17:28.540 It worked for people for a little while.

00:17:30.460 They were canceling everybody.

00:17:31.680 If you had a different opinion on what you should put into your body for medicine, you were called a killer.

00:17:41.360 No, you, you, no, I'm not.

00:17:43.960 I, I, there's no fact based in any of that.

00:17:47.340 And your argument was based on lies.

00:17:49.680 And we said it at the time.

00:17:51.160 We couldn't prove it at the time, but we could, we could see all the dots and all the connections and go, uh, I think you're probably wrong.

00:17:59.500 Look at this, this, and this.

00:18:00.580 But now we can absolutely prove it.

00:18:02.440 And they still will say you were wrong for not wanting to wear a mask or take the vaccine.

00:18:07.840 They'll still say that.

00:18:09.380 They still would like to cancel you.

00:18:11.500 And you don't have any place in society if you don't agree with the COVID vaccine.

00:18:16.240 I mean, that, that's, that's what cancel culture is. 0.66

00:18:19.600 This is don't celebrate death.

00:18:22.000 If, if I didn't want to take the vaccine because I said, yeah, because I just want to kill a whole bunch of people, it would be cancel culture.

00:18:29.800 It would be common sense and decency to remove me from whatever it is. 0.95

00:18:36.360 I'm, I, I don't, I wouldn't want to go into a McDonald's with a guy going, yeah, I just want to give his, I want to kill as many grandmas as I can. 0.95

00:18:42.420 Hey, you see that guy that was in marriage mask and his greatest killing grandparents. 0.87

00:18:46.820 I wouldn't want to be around that person.

00:18:49.720 That's not cancel culture.

00:18:51.020 No, if you found out a coworker was secretly in the KKK, would you want them to be around you working?

00:18:58.100 No.

00:18:58.980 Now, I mean, there are, you know, so many stories that are going on with all these people who are, who celebrated it.

00:19:06.500 And some of them are being targeted at their, at their places of work.

00:19:11.200 You know, people saying, hey, do you know this person worked for you?

00:19:13.760 Many of them are getting fired.

00:19:15.020 Um, a lot of them though, are at jobs that are specifically dealing with children, for example, like teachers at schools.

00:19:24.640 Teachers, every single teacher should be fired. 0.92

00:19:26.880 If you're engaged in any of this, if you didn't stand up in front of your class and then on social media and everything else and say, look, I disagree with Charlie Kirk.

00:19:36.620 I strongly disagree with Charlie Kirk, but this is wrong.

00:19:40.480 Now let's debate why it's wrong.

00:19:42.520 You do that.

00:19:43.480 But anybody who was like, yeah, I mean, at UVU, UVU, my son told me that classes cheered when they heard the news that day.

00:19:54.420 They cheered.

00:19:55.480 Every single, every single teacher should be fired that didn't say to their students, knock it off.

00:20:05.100 What is wrong with you?

00:20:07.660 You're cheering for somebody's death.

00:20:09.800 I hear another word like that and you're all flunked.

00:20:12.600 I'm flunking all of you.

00:20:15.240 I mean, some kids, some kids were expelled from school because of this and deserve to be, frankly.

00:20:20.820 You know, deserve to be.

00:20:21.640 And if I want to channel my inner Charlie Kirk here for a moment and give as much grace as possible to the people, we there is a culture right now of people who almost treat politics and human life as this sort of like sport and game.

00:20:39.080 Like, you know, I after specific Eagles losses, I have said certainly things that are not appropriate.

00:20:47.000 I may have encouraged them to dissolve the franchise and blow up the stadium.

00:20:49.960 Those sorts of thoughts enter your head and they're irrational, right?

00:20:54.200 You know, they're irrational.

00:20:55.160 And because you're joking, it's, you know, but like you feel like I could almost see a person doing something like this that is so involved in politics and so crazy that they can't control themselves.

00:21:08.280 I have not seen one story, though, yet.

00:21:11.160 And I would love to see this.

00:21:12.160 This would be an incredible story to be written by an actual journalist.

00:21:14.760 Find a person who had that moment and stop.

00:21:19.440 I'm just laughing, just trying to think of who the actual journalist is.

00:21:22.240 I don't know.

00:21:23.000 John Collins is busy right now.

00:21:24.340 Okay.

00:21:25.680 I would love to find someone who had that moment where they actually did celebrate it and then saw the video of themselves and realized what a monster they had become.

00:21:36.640 That is an actually interesting story.

00:21:39.500 I would like to see it.

00:21:40.360 There has to be somebody in that crowd that had that moment because this is not about politics.

00:21:45.700 As I said, Glenn, if the same exact thing happened to someone on the left and I knew someone on the right who cheered it on the exact same way, I would never want to talk to them again.

00:21:56.360 You're a horrible human being if you react that way to anyone's murder.

00:22:00.540 And to sit back and see that happen, there has to be somebody, I would think, who said, God, I am lost. 0.97

00:22:08.680 I've gone down this road of turning my entire life into politics.

00:22:12.880 And to the point that I'm now cheering on a young father's death, what have I become?

00:22:18.660 There has to be somebody who went through that moment over the past few days.

00:22:21.520 I'd love to read a story about them.

00:22:23.420 Not necessarily me.

00:22:24.060 Did you see Christian Chenoweth, you know, the Broadway star?

00:22:29.340 I know who she is.

00:22:30.280 Yeah, no, I didn't see what she said.

00:22:31.240 Okay, so she came out.

00:22:33.200 I can't find it here.

00:22:34.600 She came out and said, what a tragedy this was.

00:22:39.700 She feels for Charlie's family and his children, yada, yada, yada.

00:22:43.780 That's it.

00:22:44.320 Not like, hey, he was the greatest political speech giver of all time.

00:22:48.880 I, you know, I go Charlie.

00:22:50.680 Nothing.

00:22:51.260 Just, this was horrendous.

00:22:53.400 It's got to stop.

00:22:54.720 And I feel for his wife and children.

00:22:57.400 She's being canceled now.

00:23:00.400 She's being canceled.

00:23:02.760 I don't know, for standing up and saying this was wrong.

00:23:06.820 That's cancel culture. 0.99

00:23:08.460 That's a bunch of people with a political opinion saying, I cannot work with her. 1.00

00:23:15.100 Instead of saying, I don't care what anybody's political opinion is.

00:23:20.240 I feel for the children.

00:23:23.400 That's the difference.

00:23:25.780 The difference in cancel culture and actually just standing up for what is right.

00:23:31.780 We don't celebrate.

00:23:33.660 I don't know a single person that when those assassinations, the assassination happened in Minnesota.

00:23:39.740 I don't know a single person.

00:23:41.460 And I wouldn't want to be your friend.

00:23:43.960 And I would definitely excoriate you if you were a listener of mine.

00:23:49.580 They came out and said, wow, that was great.

00:23:52.840 What?

00:23:53.300 Yeah, that's true.

00:23:54.660 What part of that?

00:23:55.680 You know, it's interesting, Glenn.

00:23:56.780 But I didn't even see social media posts to that effect.

00:24:01.540 Now, social media exists to give every voice to every opinion.

00:24:05.640 You can find anything.

00:24:06.780 And I'm sure there were a couple.

00:24:08.160 But I didn't even come across any that were excited about that or cheering it on.

00:24:13.320 I mean, I don't know.

00:24:14.220 That's what I would expect out of human beings.

00:24:17.020 You know, I will say at least somewhat encouraged by, for example, a decent amount of sports franchises having moments of silence for Charlie Kirk.

00:24:25.380 I don't think that happens three or four or five years ago.

00:24:27.600 I thought that was amazing.

00:24:28.080 Right?

00:24:28.360 Like, I don't think that happens in the peak woke era.

00:24:31.200 No.

00:24:31.420 That was good.

00:24:32.900 I was glad that actually happened.

00:24:34.620 And, you know, it's a little bit.

00:24:36.460 It's a small step.

00:24:37.380 But I think a really good one that you acknowledge, hey, this is just a person who died in horrible circumstances.

00:24:42.480 And maybe we're going down the wrong road as a society if we think anything other than a moment of silence is appropriate.

00:24:53.020 Did you see the mayor up in, I think it's Massachusetts, that said to the fire department, raise your flag.

00:25:01.460 We're not lowering the flag.

00:25:02.780 I mean, you want to know you're on the wrong side of history.

00:25:09.860 Imagine being the mayor of a town that said, don't you raise that, don't you lower that flag, raise that flag for Martin Luther King.

00:25:18.740 Excuse me?

00:25:21.700 I mean, this is a political and I think religious, as much as Martin Luther King was a religious and civil rights assassination,

00:25:31.400 this was too.

00:25:34.140 This was too.

00:25:35.240 And I know there's a lot of people on the right that think Charlie Kirk, you know, Charlie Kirk was against the Civil Rights Act.

00:25:40.980 Well, yeah, let him make that case.

00:25:43.800 Let him make that case.

00:25:45.340 And I think you can make a strong case on that.

00:25:47.600 And I think that civil rights leaders have been just race hustlers and money hustlers. 0.69

00:25:56.560 BLM? 1.00

00:25:57.920 BLM, that's a civil rights movement?

00:25:59.740 No, it's not.

00:26:00.240 No, it's not.

00:26:00.780 Yeah, and I know you've talked about that before.

00:26:02.660 It's not undermining what came out of that era, right?

00:26:07.480 Obviously, you agree with all – you've talked about it a million times.

00:26:10.360 Did you agree with that?

00:26:11.340 There have been arguments legally against that act and the way it was written and all of that over the years.

00:26:15.740 I don't need to rehash, but that's what I think Charlie was saying.

00:26:17.700 Exactly right.

00:26:18.960 And that's exactly what he was saying.

00:26:21.820 And Martin Luther King was a deeply flawed guy.

00:26:24.600 You know why he was so flawed?

00:26:25.700 Because no one else would stand up and do it because they knew the cost.

00:26:30.660 I mean, getting somebody like Charlie to stand up and do this who's not deeply flawed is pretty rare.

00:26:37.240 I mean, this guy was who he said he was, and he was absolutely a civil rights – now, I believe, a civil rights icon because he died proclaiming the civil right of free speech.

00:26:52.980 He died proclaiming the rights given to us by God.

00:26:59.740 I don't understand why we would not redefine what a civil rights leader is in this moment because that's a true civil right – you know, Jesse Jackson, he's not a civil right.

00:27:13.100 Al Sharpton, he's not a civil rights leader.

00:27:15.820 BLM, not a civil rights leader. 1.00

00:27:17.440 They may have been, you know, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson may have been back in the day, but in the 80s and 90s and 2000s, they're not civil rights leaders.

00:27:29.060 The civil rights of our era is about freedom of speech, freedom of thought.

00:27:35.320 That's what the whole argument is about.

00:27:37.640 That's why we're so afraid of our country.

00:27:39.680 Are you going to be banned on social media?

00:27:43.380 Are you going to be allowed to say anything?

00:27:45.040 Are you going to be allowed to work anywhere unless – if you don't agree with DEI, you're out.

00:27:53.080 No, that's a civil right.

00:27:54.780 I have the civil right to be able to stand up and say, no, I don't want my children seeing that.

00:27:59.580 I don't want my children indoctrinated that way.

00:28:01.900 I don't want to take and put that into my body because I don't think that that is what you say it is.

00:28:08.380 I have a civil right to say those things.

00:28:11.260 How is Charlie Kirk not the iconic civil right leader of the day?

00:28:19.220 I think that ground should be taken by Charlie Kirk, taken back to what it originally was when Abraham Lincoln and Booker T and Frederick Douglass were fighting for civil rights and doing it for the right reasons. 0.78

00:28:39.560 They believed in actual civil rights, as did Martin Luther King.

00:28:44.320 You're streaming the best of the Glenn Beck program, and you can find full episodes wherever you download podcasts.

00:28:50.100 Let me go to Skyla. 0.99

00:28:51.460 She's in Utah, and you have a suggestion for the people of Utah and UVU.

00:28:58.400 What is it, Skyla?

00:28:59.960 Yes.

00:29:01.040 Hi.

00:29:01.400 Thank you for your voice for all of us.

00:29:03.780 I just want to say that.

00:29:05.040 I live near UVU, and I've been to the campus this week several times.

00:29:09.760 I have not seen anything regarding Charlie Kirk on the UVU marquee.

00:29:13.880 I am hoping to change that by contacting you.

00:29:16.980 I'm asking your listeners to contact UVU and demand Charlie Kirk's memorial be added to the UVU's marquee.

00:29:23.860 I unfortunately don't have a phone number for UVU.

00:29:26.320 They keep giving me the runaround when I call them.

00:29:28.920 Astrid Tuminez is the president of UVU, and she is very liberal.

00:29:34.640 She's trying to keep this far away from UVU, and we need to stand up and make our voices known that she cannot hide.

00:29:42.360 I also...

00:29:43.460 Yes.

00:29:45.140 No, go ahead, quickly.

00:29:47.040 There's also a petition on change.org to rename the courtyard and add a statue of Charlie Kirk to UVU's courtyard.

00:29:53.940 Utah Senator Daniel McKay also has a Give, Send, Go fundraiser to raise the money for the memorial.

00:30:01.060 I plead with your listeners to sign the petition and get this done.

00:30:05.200 Okay.

00:30:05.800 Thank you. 0.97

00:30:06.400 I agree with everything you said, and the university president is a coward, I believe.

00:30:11.500 She didn't say anything until she was forced to say something a Friday afternoon, and, you know, UVU is going to be known as the place that killed Charlie Kirk. 0.78

00:30:22.200 It's like Kent State.

00:30:23.300 I mean, you think, I'm going to go to Kent State.

00:30:25.040 Oh, you mean, wasn't that the place that there was the kids killed and everything back in the 60s?

00:30:30.180 Yeah, yeah, that's UVU.

00:30:32.680 Congratulations.

00:30:34.060 And by not standing up and not embracing Charlie Kirk and just trying to hide from this, you're making exactly the wrong decision.

00:30:44.000 But I wouldn't expect less from a diehard progressive university president.

00:30:50.680 Let me go to Liz Wheeler.

00:30:52.180 Hi, Liz.

00:30:52.720 How are you?

00:30:54.200 Hi, Glenn.

00:30:55.320 You're my favorite Glenn today.

00:30:57.380 I can sense this difference in you.

00:30:59.580 When we spoke last week, we were both extremely emotional because our friend had been brutally assassinated, and I hear the fire, the righteous anger in you, and I feel so hopeful in the midst of grief today, Glenn, because this is our whole country.

00:31:15.220 We're all rising up like a roaring lion, determined not just to post about this and talk about this, but to enact change, to make sure that our country is not captured by this evil anymore, and it gives me so much hope.

00:31:27.940 Yeah, me too.

00:31:28.780 I mean, I have hope because I know God, and I see what's happening, and this is a God movement.

00:31:36.600 And, you know, it's one thing if it was just about political change, but I think this is driving people to their knees and bringing people to God, and that's the only way that all of this is going to be solved, is if we solve it through God.

00:31:51.880 And I'm seeing some really, really positive signs.

00:31:55.460 Liz, let me talk to you about something that you wrote recently.

00:32:02.280 I think it was on The Blaze.

00:32:04.220 And you said, look, I don't understand the sympathy for Tyler Robinson's father.

00:32:09.220 Yes, it's heartbreaking that his son is one of the worst people in the country he's ever known.

00:32:13.240 I get that part.

00:32:14.120 But let's be real.

00:32:15.040 We're suffering a crisis in parenting in our country.

00:32:18.060 You want to make this case?

00:32:19.100 Yeah, I do.

00:32:21.800 And I want to first tell everyone that I say this with incredible love.

00:32:25.640 I don't say this.

00:32:27.500 I don't say this trying to pick a fight with anyone or to trigger anyone.

00:32:30.780 I know the response online has been a lot of people have been saying, have been disagreeing with me, and that's okay.

00:32:35.800 But I do encourage everyone to listen to what I'm saying.

00:32:38.660 We have a parenting crisis in our country.

00:32:40.720 I mean, on Christmas Day, 2013, Tyler Robinson's mother posted on her Facebook page, we just saw pictures of this because her Facebook page was public, of what, he was 10 years old at the time, of her child, Tyler Robinson, deep in video games and gaming.

00:32:55.140 And she made a joke about now that he's got the gaming equipment that he likes, he can avoid us at all times.

00:33:00.020 Well, you don't allow your 10-year-old child to isolate himself from the family to game on the computer with full access to the big, evil Internet, and then expect us to say,

00:33:09.300 oh, wow, you did everything right with him, and he still turned out to be an evil murderer.

00:33:13.040 It's not your fault.

00:33:13.880 We're so surprised.

00:33:15.340 The truth of the matter is, Glenn, and our country is ripe at this moment for accepting the truth.

00:33:21.420 Parents are given a duty to shepherd their children's souls, and that doesn't mean just buying them food or buying them stuff or carpooling them to activities.

00:33:30.100 It means forming their children's moral consciences and filling their minds with discernment of good and evil.

00:33:35.600 And listen, my eldest is only four and a half years old, and I already know this is no easy task.

00:33:41.200 It requires constant presence.

00:33:43.500 You can't outsource the formation of a child's moral conscience to someone that you pay.

00:33:48.120 It requires tough decisions as a parent that might make you unpopular, both with your children and with the culture at large.

00:33:54.520 You have to live counter-culturally.

00:33:56.440 Your child might be the only one without a cell phone who has never even heard of TikTok,

00:33:59.920 or your child might be the oddball who goes to church every Sunday while his peers are, you know, watching porn or doom-scrolling on Reddit.

00:34:07.040 It certainly won't make you popular as a parent among your parental peers because nothing sets other parents on the defensive more than when you tell your child no to something they permit.

00:34:16.920 It means setting moral standards for your child, but also not just enforcing those like a law enforcement officer,

00:34:24.660 but teaching him or her long before enforcing those standards is necessary to make that right choice themselves.

00:34:30.960 It means saying no to public school where the secular, anti-Christian, anti-American, morally relativistic,

00:34:37.760 and honestly, often downright Marxist indoctrination begins.

00:34:41.860 It means saying no to colleges that will indoctrinate him into a hardened communist revolutionary.

00:34:48.020 It means saying no to video games and the internet and cell phones and, yes, even friends and peers who don't share his values,

00:34:54.380 and instead teaching him that he must live with his eyes to eternity, that his life is not his own, that it's Christ.

00:35:01.600 Glenn, we have a parenting crisis in our country because parents think their children are boss.

00:35:07.240 They pretend that their kids know more than they do so that they don't have to discipline,

00:35:11.980 so that they don't have to acknowledge right and wrong themselves.

00:35:15.380 Parents, especially my generation or one generation above, are godless themselves,

00:35:20.300 and then they wonder why their children turn out captured by the demonic.

00:35:24.400 So, yes, I would not wish on my worst enemy the agony that Tyler Robinson's father must be feeling,

00:35:30.540 but the time for truth is here, and the truth is parents are the first blind guardians of their children's minds, bodies,

00:35:36.820 and souls, and souls, and parents like Tyler Robinson's are not without blame for the way he turned out.

00:35:42.400 Okay, so can I push back here with you?

00:35:47.240 Because you know how much I respect you and I love you, Liz, so let's just have a good conversation here.

00:35:53.160 What were your parents like? Were they good parents?

00:35:55.380 Excellent parents.

00:35:57.760 So blessed by God.

00:35:58.880 They were present.

00:35:59.640 They formed me morally.

00:36:00.860 They were loving, sacrificial, the best people on earth.

00:36:05.280 My dad was a workaholic, and my mom was an alcoholic. 0.85

00:36:11.020 And I honestly, Liz, I don't know how to be a dad.

00:36:16.200 I have been faking it my whole life.

00:36:19.620 I have done my best, and I have fallen so short.

00:36:25.980 And I think there's a lot of people like that.

00:36:30.220 I don't know about Tyler's parents.

00:36:32.540 But the other thing is 2013 was a different world entirely than it is now.

00:36:39.740 I gave my son gaming stuff at 2013.

00:36:43.300 Took it away from him a couple years later, you know, when we had the FBI at our house.

00:36:48.160 And I have seen the indoctrination of my children, and Tanya and I have fought for the souls of our children like crazy, like nobody's business.

00:37:02.180 And both of us feel like we fell really, really short.

00:37:06.280 I mean, we don't know what we could have done.

00:37:10.480 And then there are other things that we're like, yeah, we could have done that.

00:37:13.460 Why weren't we doing that?

00:37:14.980 And honestly, a horrible excuse.

00:37:17.220 We were tired.

00:37:19.460 And just trying to keep our head above water with our kids so much of the time.

00:37:26.280 I just wanted to talk to you because I agree with what you're saying that we have a parenting crisis.

00:37:32.400 I 100% agree with you.

00:37:34.980 I agree with everything you said about being a parent.

00:37:38.860 My first thought when I read your post today was you're a young parent, and you have no idea what is coming your way.

00:37:55.340 You have more of an idea than I did in 2010, 2013, because you're now seeing it.

00:38:03.300 But what our kids are going through, and it's different again for you because you're a little younger, you can relate a little bit more to the culture that is going on.

00:38:15.900 And Tanya and I both looked at this culture, and we were like, I don't even recognize any of it.

00:38:21.620 There's nothing that I grew up with as a standard that I could go, oh, yeah, well, let's talk to the teacher.

00:38:28.440 Well, let's talk to the principal.

00:38:30.000 Let's do this.

00:38:30.900 Let's do that.

00:38:31.540 Let's, you know what, let's go get some counseling someplace. 0.53

00:38:34.460 None of them, none of them were talking common sense at all, at all.

00:38:39.440 And so you only had the church.

00:38:42.360 That's it.

00:38:44.240 And, you know, you also have people telling you, your kids are going to commit suicide.

00:38:49.020 If you don't do this, your kids are going to commit suicide.

00:38:51.920 My kids, we didn't give them a phone until the school required them to have a phone.

00:38:57.220 And I would have liked to have gone to several private schools, but because we're from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, every school, every, every Christian school but one turned us down.

00:39:13.780 Every Christian school but one. 0.99

00:39:17.300 And I know some of the good pastors that run some of these schools.

00:39:21.120 And I went to them and I said, I'm not asking you to change your doctrine.

00:39:24.920 I'm not asking you to make special, you know, dispensations.

00:39:28.240 I want my kids to learn about your religion.

00:39:31.020 I want it to challenge what they believe because they have to, wouldn't accept our children because we were of a different faith.

00:39:38.120 And a faith that apparently was just too evil for everybody else. 0.85

00:39:41.960 So, you know, I don't know what the situation is with parents and I don't ever want to judge a parent.

00:39:48.740 And I feel horrible just as I did when that shooter, the milkman, went with the Amish and shot up all of the children in the Amish community.

00:40:02.800 That mom could have been the worst.

00:40:04.880 That mom could have been the best.

00:40:06.340 I don't know.

00:40:06.980 But the Amish went and comforted her immediately because they said, you're suffering as well.

00:40:14.040 I can't imagine because, you know, you say what the father is doing, tearing himself apart.

00:40:19.320 Imagine what the father is saying and the mother is saying about gaming today.

00:40:26.380 The way they have got to be tearing themselves apart going, I failed.

00:40:32.800 I just don't feel comfortable dogpiling on that.

00:40:35.540 I want to be the person that says to them, I feel for you.

00:40:39.720 I really feel for you.

00:40:41.320 Now, that doesn't mean I don't say as well to new parents, you have no idea what's coming.

00:40:47.120 You batten down the hatches.

00:40:48.920 You don't give your kids gaming.

00:40:50.620 You don't give them phones.

00:40:52.120 You don't give them an iPad.

00:40:53.920 You're going to have to be with them all of the time.

00:40:56.540 There is no such thing as the childhood that you grew up in.

00:40:59.360 It doesn't exist anymore.

00:41:01.280 I agree with that.

00:41:02.780 Are we saying the same thing just in different ways?

00:41:09.780 I think so, because I don't want my words to be misinterpreted in the sense that I am not feeling heartless towards these people.

00:41:19.600 I literally wrote that I wouldn't wish the agony that I'm sure they're feeling on my worst enemy.

00:41:27.320 I wouldn't wish this evil on anyone.

00:41:31.520 I can't imagine what that feels like as a mother.

00:41:33.800 I don't think that calling parents to a higher standard or encouraging them to open their eyes is an indictment or judgment on, like, looking down my nose at parents as large.

00:41:48.140 I am a young parent.

00:41:49.040 You're right.

00:41:49.500 There are a lot of experiences I haven't had yet.

00:41:51.720 As I said, my oldest daughter is not yet five.

00:41:53.760 I have no idea what it is like to have a 10-year-old and a 15-year-old and a 20-year-old, and I fully acknowledge that.

00:42:00.500 But what I do know is when there is brokenness, and you are such a redemptive story, Glenn.

00:42:06.940 You come from a family where there was incredible brokenness.

00:42:10.040 One of the prayers I say over my children every day is for God to protect them from my brokenness and from my sin and from my mistakes, because it doesn't matter if you came from a good family.

00:42:19.960 It doesn't matter if you feel that your eyes are open.

00:42:22.440 We are all falling short of the glory of God, and I'm no exception to that, so I don't mean to sound prideful or snobby either.

00:42:29.640 But I do think that we need to not calibrate our expectations for parents to meet just the lowest common denominator.

00:42:39.300 We need to call people to something higher, because the fact of the matter is, even if you didn't know any better than to give your son gaming equipment,

00:42:46.920 even if these parents can plead ignorance, we are in a culture now that has degraded the value of a mother and a father to just daycare workers, and that's not our role.

00:42:56.800 Our role is to form the moral conscience of these children.

00:42:59.840 Liz, I appreciate your point of view.

00:43:03.000 I think we're saying much the same thing.

00:43:04.580 I would just say leave the parents out of it.

00:43:06.900 Let's look for the new parents to tell them, because new parents are doing this every day, and it's got to stop.

00:43:12.900 Before your kid, you lose control of your kid in this society.

00:43:16.540 You've got to do everything you can, and then realize you might still lose your kid.

00:43:21.640 Liz, thank you so much.

00:43:22.820 God bless you.

00:43:23.660 Always a fan, and always great to have you on the program.

00:43:26.080 You bet.

The Glenn Beck Program - September 15, 2025

Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Liz Wheeler ｜ 9⧸15⧸25

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