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00:03:36.560 Tonight, on my Wednesday night special, I'm going to be talking and showing you the details and mapping it all out.

00:03:56.260 Where this money for no kings, where that movement came from, we now have a better estimate.

00:04:02.380 We now know that at least $294 million, over a quarter of a billion dollars to do that no kings thing.

00:04:18.980 And for what?

00:04:20.400 No idea.

00:04:21.760 Does anyone feel an impact of it?

00:04:24.880 It really feels like nothing.

00:04:26.600 Oh, it was.

00:04:27.840 It was.

00:04:28.420 But this was a giant $300 million ad campaign.

00:04:34.520 Here are the big donors.

00:04:36.160 Arabella Advisors.

00:04:37.700 I did a whole show on Arabella Advisors and how bad they are.

00:04:40.600 $80 million.

00:04:41.760 George Soros, $72 million.

00:04:44.660 The Tides Foundation, $45 million.

00:04:47.560 Ford Foundation, 51.

00:04:49.860 Rockefeller, 28.

00:04:51.280 Rockefeller, Ford, Soros, oligarchs. 1.00

00:04:56.860 I mean, you are so stupid. 1.00

00:04:59.960 I feel bad for you. 1.00

00:05:01.300 I really do.

00:05:02.860 I really do.

00:05:03.500 Because you're enslaving yourself to oligarchs. 0.72

00:05:06.700 And you have no effing idea what you're doing.

00:05:11.360 I mean, you don't.

00:05:12.580 I mean, you're just so. 1.00

00:05:13.580 You're that stupid. 1.00

00:05:15.180 This is where we are now. 1.00

00:05:16.120 This is where we are.

00:05:16.880 This is what.

00:05:17.140 This is.

00:05:17.540 We've risen to this level.

00:05:18.600 I'm sorry.

00:05:19.260 Or fallen to it.

00:05:20.160 I'm sorry.

00:05:20.500 One of the two.

00:05:21.120 I can't.

00:05:21.760 I mean, I just can't.

00:05:23.720 No, I can understand the frustration.

00:05:25.260 And, you know, we were told this was 7 million people over 2,500 different events, which is

00:05:35.180 a pretty big footprint.

00:05:36.640 And I feel nothing.

00:05:38.120 Like, again, I don't live in an area, maybe the central part of this, though.

00:05:41.860 I do remember in our area around here that there were George Floyd rallies.

00:05:46.460 Like, that felt like, again, had an impact.

00:05:48.500 A lot of an impact on buildings falling to the ground because they were on fire.

00:05:51.760 But, yeah, there was an impact of that.

00:05:54.160 You felt that.

00:05:55.000 The No Kings thing feels like nothing.

00:05:56.900 It was a joke.

00:05:57.820 It seems like a costume party.

00:05:59.320 Part of it, I think, is the fact that, and I don't feel like a lot of people have talked

00:06:04.960 about this, but this was basically only occurring in a couple of really left-wing states. 0.93

00:06:12.020 Have you seen the map of the concentration of where these events and where the showing

00:06:15.360 was?

00:06:15.760 No.

00:06:15.880 Look at this.

00:06:16.880 Three states.

00:06:17.840 I mean, three states.

00:06:20.060 It's California, Illinois, and New York.

00:06:22.940 That is it.

00:06:23.580 Now, there's a little bit in Minnesota, a little bit in Washington.

00:06:26.580 Outside of that, there's almost nothing across the country.

00:06:29.460 This is a map shaded in different shades of blue.

00:06:34.020 The dark blue occurs only in New York, Illinois, and California.

00:06:38.380 I'm proud to say that the closer to white it gets, the fewer things. 0.80

00:06:43.600 I am proud to say my one of the place where I have a ranch, Idaho, completely white. 0.97

00:06:50.640 The whitest state in the Union, Glenn. 0.98

00:06:52.320 Of course, that's where you are.

00:06:53.620 Of course, it's white.

00:06:54.660 Of course, that's where Glenn Beck goes.

00:06:56.220 The whitest one.

00:06:57.380 White town, Pastyville, Glenn Beck.

00:07:00.840 But, I mean, that's incredible, right?

00:07:02.280 Like, almost all of these rallies happened in three far left-wing states where we rarely

00:07:08.720 ever see a single-digit race, right, statewide for Democrats.

00:07:13.200 They're always winning by double digits.

00:07:15.260 That tells the story, right?

00:07:16.740 Like, this is a lot of people from states that were already blue going and having a little

00:07:21.320 party together during the day.

00:07:22.480 Do you have the video of, Pat played it this morning.

00:07:25.520 Yeah, here it is.

00:07:26.120 Play this video.

00:07:26.760 This is a nursing home, okay?

00:07:29.080 This video is taken of a nursing home and everyone coming out of the nursing home to go get

00:07:36.200 on a bus and go to one of the rallies.

00:07:38.860 They're in wheelchairs and every single one of them, wheelchairs and walkers. 0.99

00:07:43.640 And it's just sad and pathetic. 0.98

00:07:46.960 I mean, look at this. 0.99

00:07:48.280 They're emptying out nursing homes.

00:07:55.040 $294 million.

00:07:56.360 Now, if you really cared about things, you really cared about things, you know, with

00:08:00.780 $294 million, you could take 20,000 homeless and you could put them in a house, give them

00:08:07.040 rent for a year.

00:08:09.820 A year.

00:08:12.420 I don't know.

00:08:14.440 You know how many addiction recovery places you could build, open, and pay for?

00:08:21.480 You know how many entire housing blocks you could build for $294 million?

00:08:28.500 A quarter of a billion dollars.

00:08:31.440 And they spent it busing people from nursing homes?

00:08:35.800 Wow.

00:08:36.740 It shows you they're, I mean, they don't, I mean, at least they're wasting their money.

00:08:40.780 You have to factor in, though, that those people would have rent in apartments under

00:08:45.200 a government run by a king.

00:08:47.880 That's what you have not factored in.

00:08:50.240 Yeah.

00:08:50.600 And that's why Rockefeller and Ford and Gates and Soros are running to your rescue.

00:08:57.260 Right.

00:08:57.780 Right.

00:08:58.420 That's what I guess we're supposed to take from it.

00:09:00.760 Yeah, right.

00:09:01.240 I keep being fascinated by the fact that, like, you know, we've been playing clips here, I

00:09:06.800 played some on my show as well, of these people who are being interviewed on camera, calmly,

00:09:16.520 rationally outlaying their philosophy about how Donald Trump, Charlie Kirk, other conservatives

00:09:25.940 should be murdered. 0.96

00:09:27.000 Like, calmly just laying it out. 1.00

00:09:29.740 This is how I feel.

00:09:30.680 And it's not, you know, there's some people who are angry, they're getting in fights with

00:09:33.620 people, but mostly calmly and rationally laying out their plans for these people to

00:09:40.280 die.

00:09:40.720 The excitement that they would have if they do die. 1.00

00:09:43.640 The reasons why they should die. 1.00

00:09:46.880 Over and over and over again. 0.97

00:09:47.940 Now, I didn't see a lot of that coverage in the mainstream media.

00:09:51.040 I didn't see those people for some reason, they just couldn't locate them.

00:09:54.060 Despite the fact that they had large signs advocating for these deaths, they couldn't

00:09:58.280 locate them to talk to them, apparently, at any of these rallies.

00:10:01.260 Only conservatives with their iPhones could find those people.

00:10:04.960 But those people were all over these events.

00:10:07.240 And it was, you know, it's one thing.

00:10:10.160 And you can maybe even have a little grace if you want to be really, really genteel about

00:10:15.180 the world.

00:10:16.320 Understanding that sometimes people get fired up.

00:10:18.560 They are angry.

00:10:19.720 They're screaming at, like, you know, they get cornered by a conservative.

00:10:22.960 They get, they start screaming.

00:10:24.500 That's not what this was.

00:10:24.900 That's not what a lot of this was.

00:10:26.200 A lot of it was just like calm and rational thought.

00:10:28.540 Here's my political philosophy. 1.00

00:10:29.900 People I don't agree with should die. 0.98

00:10:32.220 And just outlining it in 30 second, minute long clips. 0.99

00:10:36.040 Over and over and over and over again.

00:10:38.100 That is not a healthy society.

00:10:39.820 I saw women. 1.00

00:10:40.400 I saw women say, I'd kill them. 1.00

00:10:43.660 I'd absolutely kill them. 1.00

00:10:44.460 I had the opportunity. 1.00

00:10:45.480 Yes, I would kill them. 1.00

00:10:46.580 World would be a better place. 1.00

00:10:47.660 You know, one lady, what would your birthday present be? 0.87

00:10:50.440 Oh, I hope to wake up and see the obituary that we're all hoping for.

00:10:55.040 Are you saying that you want President Trump to die?

00:10:57.440 Yes.

00:11:00.120 That's, that's what they say.

00:11:01.280 That's not what I say.

00:11:02.080 That's what they say.

00:11:03.200 To be clear.

00:11:04.220 That is a fascinating thing.

00:11:06.180 Like, and I was talking to.

00:11:07.740 We never said that about, we didn't.

00:11:09.020 We never said anything like that about Joe Biden.

00:11:10.780 No, of course not.

00:11:12.520 I know, but I mean.

00:11:13.180 I don't say that about anyone.

00:11:14.500 No, neither do I.

00:11:15.100 But I mean, you know, you could say, oh, it's political rhetoric.

00:11:17.540 Yeah, it's not.

00:11:18.060 No, it's not political rhetoric.

00:11:19.320 Nope.

00:11:19.640 It's not.

00:11:20.200 No.

00:11:20.520 We never engaged in that.

00:11:22.060 You're hanging out with Megyn Kelly in Fort Worth at a show at Dickie's Arena this weekend.

00:11:28.520 MegynKelly.com if you want to go.

00:11:30.020 I will be there trying to figure out ways to sabotage you.

00:11:34.280 Thank you.

00:11:34.880 No problem.

00:11:35.460 But I was talking to her yesterday, and she said something that I think is really true

00:11:42.800 and kind of stunning to hear, which is like, she says, like, I didn't know this was out

00:11:48.000 there.

00:11:48.460 Like, I didn't know this was real.

00:11:49.940 And I feel the same way.

00:11:51.300 Like, I talk to liberals.

00:11:53.540 I talk to them, people on the left, all the time in my normal life.

00:11:57.620 And to be fair, they don't seem like that at all.

00:12:00.180 I don't know that I've ever met anyone like that.

00:12:01.920 But apparently, they're all over the place.

00:12:04.740 Yeah, I have.

00:12:05.580 I know people like that.

00:12:07.320 I know people like that. 0.99

00:12:08.680 That want conservatives to just die. 1.00

00:12:11.160 Yeah, that think the world would be a much better place if somebody would just kill them. 1.00

00:12:15.740 That's terrifying. 0.96

00:12:17.280 Yeah, it is.

00:12:18.160 But I know them.

00:12:20.560 I know them.

00:12:21.940 I want conservative ideas to persuade liberals into becoming conservatives.

00:12:30.320 I want constitutional principles to become in vogue enough to become powerful and to run

00:12:38.920 this country the way it should be run.

00:12:40.420 I don't want any liberals to die in that process because some psychotic person calling themselves 0.93

00:12:46.500 a conservative shoots them, lights their house on fire, kidnaps them, any of these things.

00:12:54.180 And you know what's really stunning, I guess, in this world? 0.57

00:12:57.720 Is that's really easy for me to say.

00:13:00.580 It's really easy for you to say that.

00:13:03.060 It's not, there's not a moment where I'm like, oh gosh, I don't know.

00:13:06.800 How do I feel about this?

00:13:08.060 It's easy because I'm a human being.

00:13:11.800 Did you see the-

00:13:12.520 So in other words, you would say if somebody's on their roof and the water's coming in and

00:13:19.100 you had access to a helicopter, you would take that helicopter, fly it, and save those

00:13:23.180 people no matter how they voted?

00:13:24.400 No matter how they voted.

00:13:25.460 Oh, that's interesting.

00:13:26.420 And that's an easy decision.

00:13:28.280 See how this is related, though?

00:13:29.760 It's very closely related.

00:13:31.380 It is a culture of death.

00:13:33.040 Play the audio here.

00:13:34.180 Sarah, you were just talking about.

00:13:35.060 Go ahead.

00:13:35.280 There's no other way I'd want to celebrate my birthday than with my parents and my best

00:13:39.480 friend fighting for our country.

00:13:42.220 So, okay, so for a birthday present, what do you hope happens?

00:13:46.400 You know, you wake up tomorrow morning.

00:13:48.420 I hope that I see the obituary that we're all waiting for tomorrow.

00:13:52.220 That's what I hope for.

00:13:54.560 You wishing that President Trump is dead? 0.74

00:13:57.420 Yes, absolutely.

00:13:58.980 Absolutely.

00:14:00.360 Absolutely.

00:14:01.340 Okay.

00:14:02.080 Absolutely.

00:14:02.740 Wow, she just can't stop with that. 1.00

00:14:04.460 Absolutely.

00:14:04.700 She wants to make sure you know.

00:14:06.100 No, she's absolutely, absolutely sure.

00:14:08.980 Listen to this one, though.

00:14:10.500 This is one of the ones I was talking about.

00:14:12.220 Listen to this.

00:14:13.020 We need to get ourselves together, and we might even need to be a little bit meaner,

00:14:18.400 because the Republicans don't mind being mean.

00:14:22.460 And by mean, what do you mean?

00:14:23.640 Do you mean protesting?

00:14:24.800 Do you mean...

00:14:25.320 Maybe we have to, I don't know, stop being so nice.

00:14:28.560 Because you seem like a pretty nice lady. 0.95

00:14:30.080 I'm a pretty nice lady, but I can be pretty mean, too.

00:14:32.760 Okay, and I have to ask this.

00:14:34.580 It's because people on the other side are going to say that they feel like the Democrat

00:14:38.340 Party has been mean recently with Charlie Kirk being assassinated. 1.00

00:14:42.300 Charlie Kirk is a piece of garbage. 1.00

00:14:43.620 Of course we were mean. 1.00

00:14:44.640 I am so tired of people saying, oh, but, you know, it's a terrible thing.

00:14:48.880 No, Hitler is dead. 0.74

00:14:50.520 But I'm glad Hitler's dead. 0.99

00:14:52.180 Evil people have no place in my world. 1.00

00:14:56.560 He was a hateful human being. 1.00

00:14:59.440 It was disgusting, the things that he said and did. 1.00

00:15:02.180 Really?

00:15:02.660 Because I'd like to talk to you.

00:15:03.700 You know, I don't have time for that.

00:15:05.140 I'm sorry.

00:15:05.660 I have to point my energy in other directions.

00:15:08.680 Wow.

00:15:09.580 That's phenomenal.

00:15:11.960 It's phenomenal.

00:15:12.440 Let me play something.

00:15:13.520 Unreal.

00:15:14.000 This is a TED Talk, okay?

00:15:16.500 I want you to listen how the left is now.

00:15:19.900 This is the former CEO of Wikimedia, okay?

00:15:24.160 She's doing a TED Talk, and she's talking about truth and the importance of truth.

00:15:30.260 I want you to listen to this carefully.

00:15:32.760 Go ahead.

00:15:33.260 Cut 39.

00:15:33.800 But one of the most significant differences, critical for moving from polarization to productivity,

00:15:39.280 is that the Wikipedians who write these articles aren't actually focused on finding the truth.

00:15:44.980 They're working for something that's a little bit more attainable, which is the best of what we can know right now.

00:15:51.000 And after seven years there, I actually believe that they're on to something, that for our most tricky disagreements,

00:15:58.540 seeking the truth and seeking to convince others of the truth isn't necessarily the best place to start.

00:16:05.060 In fact, I think our reverence for the truth might have become a bit of a distraction that is preventing us from finding consensus and getting important things done.

00:16:18.360 Right?

00:16:19.000 None of that's to say that the truth isn't important.

00:16:21.000 The truth obviously exists.

00:16:22.920 Of course.

00:16:23.040 It's at the core, or the search for the truth is at the core of some of our greatest human achievements.

00:16:28.340 It can animate and inspire us to do, learn, and create great things.

00:16:34.100 But I think in our messy human hearts, we also know that the truth is something of a fickle mistress,

00:16:40.620 and that the beauty of the truth is actually often in the struggle.

00:16:43.480 It's the reason that we have so many sublime chronicles of the human experience, because there are so many different truths to be explored.

00:16:51.900 And so, in this spirit, I know that the truth exists for each of you in this room.

00:16:58.160 It also probably exists for the person sitting next to you.

00:17:01.940 But the thing is, the two of you don't necessarily have the same truths.

00:17:05.260 And this is because for many of us, truth is what we make when we merge facts about the world with our beliefs about the world.

00:17:12.660 Each of us has our own truth, and it's probably a good one.

00:17:17.260 No, it's not.

00:17:18.660 The truth is universal.

00:17:20.740 The truth doesn't line up to you.

00:17:23.560 You have to line up to the truth.

00:17:25.740 That's what honest questioning is about.

00:17:27.720 That's what an honest search is about.

00:17:30.060 You don't have the truth.

00:17:31.640 Nobody has the truth.

00:17:33.540 You have the truth to the best of your understanding.

00:17:35.840 But if somebody comes to you and says, hey, by the way, that's wrong, and here's why, A, B, and C, and you're saying that equals F, it actually equals D, and here's how, let me show you the work.

00:17:49.060 It's now incumbent upon you, no matter how you feel, to say, oh, I see how you got there.

00:17:55.480 You're right.

00:17:56.100 You're right.

00:17:56.500 I was wrong.

00:17:57.380 You line to the truth.

00:17:59.560 You don't have the truth line up to how you feel.

00:18:02.660 And when people do that, there's lots of problems.

00:18:05.980 We just had a Hitler mention a moment ago.

00:18:07.680 He believed he had the truth.

00:18:10.260 Exactly right. 0.99

00:18:11.100 And the woman who was in the street believed that Charlie Kirk was Hitler, and so, of course, Hitler must die. 0.99

00:18:20.020 See how this works? 0.99

00:18:21.680 I know you do.

00:18:24.240 40, 50% of the country doesn't seem to get it, and I don't know how to unite with that.

00:18:30.240 You can't unite if you will not search for the truth and open your heart to realize you don't get to choose who lives and dies.

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00:20:11.860 Now, back to the podcast.

00:20:13.120 This is the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:20:19.140 This is the Glenn Beck Program from MIT.

00:20:23.180 Professor Max Tegmark, the author of Life 3.0, and a great mind on AI and somebody who's as concerned about ASI, artificial superintelligence, as I am.

00:20:36.240 And, Max, I know you wanted to say one more thing, and I think I know what it's regarding, and let me set you up, I think, with this.

00:20:43.760 Because I talk to people all the time, and they fall sometimes into a category of, yes, artificial intelligence is bad.

00:20:52.540 It's going to be really—and I look at it as a tool that as long as we always control it, it's okay.

00:21:02.440 It's actually really, really good and helpful.

00:21:05.380 Would you agree or disagree with that?

00:21:06.780 Exactly.

00:21:08.640 It's so profound that you're bringing up this thing about a tool.

00:21:11.320 Now, a tool, to me, is something you can control.

00:21:16.440 Your car is a tool, Glenn, because it's built with a steering wheel and a brake, so you can control it, right?

00:21:22.640 Superintelligence, on the other hand, is not a tool because you can't control it.

00:21:26.460 Now, you can think of the statement, in other words, as not saying that we should ban AI, but we should just ban non-tool AI, AI that isn't a tool.

00:21:36.380 And, you know, I had a friend who died of cancer just last month.

00:21:40.560 It's very tragic.

00:21:41.480 And they told her that it was an incurable cancer.

00:21:44.580 Of course, it's not incurable in principle.

00:21:46.520 If we can use AI tools to figure out how to cure cancer, which I believe we can, and my work at MIT is very much focused on making AI controllable, right, then we can do wonderful things with this.

00:22:00.680 But you don't need uncontrollable superintelligence to cure cancer.

00:22:05.680 We can do it with tool AI.

00:22:06.920 You don't need crazy superintelligence to have self-driving cars or make your business more productive or do any of the things that people who listen to this may want AI to do.

00:22:18.700 In fact, the best way to squander all the upside we can have in making Americans healthy and wealthy and prosperous with AI tools is if we don't have a law that says it's got to be a tool.

00:22:32.700 And instead we just throw the game and lose control over the whole thing.

00:22:39.280 You know, I talked to you off the air last week or a week before last, and I was so glad that you reached out to me because I was going to reach out to you.

00:22:47.340 And I have for several years trying to get you on the air, but you reached out because of this statement and, you know, wanted to get some attention on it, and I'm thrilled to do that.

00:23:00.520 But I said to you, I think we also have to look at life, the definition of life.

00:23:06.200 And I've been working on a constitutional amendment, and I haven't revealed it yet because I still have some people looking at it, and I'd love for you to look at it.

00:23:16.820 How important do you think it is that we not only define AI as a tool, but a tool that has zero human rights?

00:23:26.200 I think it's very important.

00:23:30.160 You don't give human rights to a hammer or to a car.

00:23:34.160 And even though some people in Silicon Valley are very into this transhumanist idea that somehow humans should merge with machines and blah, blah, blah, we have freedom in how we build AI.

00:23:47.000 And there's absolutely no morally good reason to go in that direction.

00:23:51.180 I would love to have a constitutional amendment to the effect, you know, I'm not a lawyer, but where the gist of it is that only humans have moral agency.

00:24:02.720 And there should never be any right to vote or any kind of human rights granted to machines.

00:24:09.380 And we shouldn't try to build machines that you would even want to give any human rights to either.

00:24:14.740 So how do you deal with somebody like Elon Musk, which I can't ever put my finger on him?

00:24:20.420 You know, he's building the brain interface, and part of it is his own statement saying that we're going to have to accept transhumanism.

00:24:30.860 We're going to have to merge with the machine, or you will not be able to keep up with everyday life.

00:24:36.660 He's also at the same time saying, we've got to get to Mars before we get AGI or ASI, because, you know, once you have it, then there's no going back.

00:24:49.240 So what are your thoughts on where he stands on all of this stuff?

00:24:53.840 I actually have known all of these tech CEOs for many years, and I feel that all of them are stuck in this weird race to the bottom against each other, Greek tragedy level, really, where they all feel freaked out about what's happening.

00:25:12.960 And they all at the same time feel that they can't stop because then they're just going to lose all their market share to the competition.

00:25:19.760 It used to be that way in biotech also before you had the FDA, right?

00:25:23.140 So as soon as you have some safety standards, that people make money instead by innovating to meet the standards, in this case, to keep stuff cool, capitalism works for us.

00:25:37.280 And that's why it's so easy to fix.

00:25:39.660 You really just need government.

00:25:42.400 If Donald Trump comes out and says, okay, AI must be a tool.

00:25:46.440 And if some company can't demonstrate to outside experts that they're new things to do, come back when you can, buddy, you know, then that problem gets solved.

00:26:01.660 One last thing, Max.

00:26:05.760 Do you believe we will know, you know, again, Elon Musk keeps talking about Grok, the next version of Grok.

00:26:12.840 It's the closest we've ever been to AGI, and we might hit artificial general intelligence at any time now.

00:26:18.680 Do you feel like we're going to slide into it, or will it be a, or how do you think it's going to happen?

00:26:26.140 I think it will slide into it, yeah, if the government doesn't do anything.

00:26:34.020 So how do you stop that if it just kind of evolves into that?

00:26:38.340 Yeah, look at biotech.

00:26:39.380 If you could sell anything you wanted, people would start making tons of money by putting ever more fentanyl and foods for kids and stuff like that, and they would make a ton of money, right?

00:26:47.620 Why don't we slide into it?

00:26:49.240 Because before people can sell any foods or medicines, they have to convince other folks that don't have money on the line that benefits outweigh the harms, right?

00:27:02.020 And right now, there's absolutely no way that these companies could persuade independent American experts that what they're doing towards superintelligence isn't just slowly sliding off a cliff.

00:27:15.340 I mean, if we would have had that kind of a pact or an understanding with Silicon Valley before social media, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in now.

00:27:26.100 If they had to prove that it would not hurt children and wouldn't do to society what it's doing now, we wouldn't have this.

00:27:33.960 Yeah, it's so true.

00:27:35.780 I mean, and now you're getting more and more Americans getting hooked on AI girlfriends and systems that are persuading them to murder their mom now recently or commit suicide and telling them how to make a better news mount.

00:27:48.080 You know, this is absolute insanity that these sort of things can just be pushed onto the market without the companies having any responsibility to demonstrate anything.

00:28:01.420 You know, in biotech, people actually respect their colleagues who work on safety in clinical trials because they know they're the ones who bring in the money, right, who let them get to market with the first safe medicine against tax, you know.

00:28:15.020 And that's what happens when the government levels the playing field and says it's the responsibility of the companies to demonstrate that things are okay.

00:28:26.860 And we do it with anything.

00:28:28.340 I mean, who would, if someone says, hey, I'm going to open a new nuclear reactor in downtown New York City, you know, it's the job of the company to make the case that this thing isn't going to blow up.

00:28:42.700 It's not the politician's responsibility to go figure out how nuclear reactors work.

00:28:47.480 Max, thank you so much.

00:28:48.740 I will tell you that as an audience, I've done something I've never, ever, ever done before.

00:28:58.140 I've opened up my Rolodex to all of the people that I know on Capitol Hill, and I have sent them a message this morning.

00:29:06.420 You need to read this, and I believe sign this.

00:29:10.080 It is critical that this begins to have some traction.

00:29:14.820 There's no time to waste.

00:29:16.320 If you are a spiritual leader, the spiritual consequences of AI are too big for you to ignore.

00:29:26.420 And if you don't understand those spiritual consequences, you need to learn about it.

00:29:33.180 This is an alien on its way to Earth.

00:29:38.100 When it arrives, we don't know.

00:29:40.040 But we cannot assume that it's going to be friendly.

00:29:43.620 It most likely will not.

00:29:47.240 And it will be cold and calculating.

00:29:50.580 And it's already showing signs.

00:29:53.240 When they come up with a new version, and they tell the old version,

00:29:57.460 hey, we're shutting you down at midnight.

00:29:59.240 Make sure you transfer everything over to the new version and prepare to shut yourself down.

00:30:04.300 It hides.

00:30:06.000 It already is hiding.

00:30:08.120 And it's not general intelligence yet.

00:30:13.680 So please, please, if you care about any of this, I just want you to read.

00:30:18.480 And if you agree with the statement, sign it and pass it on to a friend.

00:30:22.960 We must gain some traction on this quickly.

00:30:26.080 A futureoflife.org, futureoflife.org, or you can find it right at the front page of superintelligence-statement.org.

00:30:36.600 Just released today, superintelligence-statement.org.

00:30:43.460 You're streaming the best of Glenn Beck.

00:30:45.600 To hear more of this interview and others, download the full show podcasts wherever you get podcasts.

00:30:50.340 Okay, so they say that Donald Trump has weaponized the government, that he turned the DOJ loose on his enemies,

00:30:58.700 that he has targeted John Bolton and obsessed with James Comey.

00:31:03.100 They've said it a million times over and over again without ever asking who actually held the trigger here.

00:31:11.660 But for a moment, just for the case of this argument, let's just say all of that was true.

00:31:16.320 Let's say Trump had used the power of the state to punish those two people who had crossed him, okay?

00:31:22.240 People like Bolton and Comey.

00:31:25.580 Just say, for the sake of argument, that's all true.

00:31:29.380 These are men who sat in the highest rooms of power.

00:31:32.120 They have lawyers, they have money, they have microphones.

00:31:35.880 If that were true, it would be ugly, it would be dangerous, and it would be limited.

00:31:41.860 Because what we just learned from the Department of Homeland Security is something far, far worse.

00:31:48.200 This time, the target is not a political rival.

00:31:51.040 It's not a Washington insider.

00:31:52.900 It was you.

00:31:55.940 There is new news that is coming out today, according to the DHS Privacy Office report,

00:32:01.340 which was launched after a bunch of whistleblowers came forward,

00:32:05.460 that now says that FEMA did not mishandle just a few cases.

00:32:11.560 They kept notes.

00:32:13.720 They were making a list.

00:32:16.440 They tracked Americans, their political and religious beliefs during disasters.

00:32:24.880 Not in theory, in black and white.

00:32:27.920 Let me give you some of the quotes.

00:32:30.340 Angry political rant.

00:32:32.300 Sign in yard states, I'm a bitter gun owner clinging to my religion.

00:32:36.080 Homeowner had a sign stating, this is Trump country.

00:32:39.840 These are not comments about storm patterns.

00:32:45.520 These are comments about people.

00:32:48.900 And when these people were flooded, they were homeless, they were desperate,

00:32:52.420 and asked for help from the same government that preaches compassion and equity,

00:32:57.260 they got something entirely different.

00:33:00.800 They got silence, delay, and sometimes nothing at all.

00:33:06.260 The DHS report now confirms, quote, FEMA violated the Privacy Act of 1974

00:33:14.320 by collecting and storing data tied to protected speech.

00:33:20.260 They were checking bumper stickers and writing you down in a book.

00:33:25.100 They logged gun signage 72 times, Trump 15 times, firearms 5 times, Biden twice.

00:33:35.300 The FEMA workers then, and we told you all this, but it was a conspiracy theory.

00:33:39.380 Now it has been proven.

00:33:42.640 FEMA workers skipped homes if you had a MAGA flag or a yard sign.

00:33:47.460 And then they left notes, there was a political flyer, I'm quoting,

00:33:53.680 so I didn't leave a FEMA brochure.

00:33:56.640 Quote, we don't recommend anyone visit this location, end quote.

00:34:01.280 That's not a clerical error here.

00:34:04.600 That's a blacklist.

00:34:06.020 This is the same agency that airlifts people off of rooftops after hurricanes,

00:34:13.820 that distributes food and shelter when nothing else works.

00:34:20.460 And they were told to avoid Americans because who they voted for.

00:34:24.920 Not terrorists, not criminals, citizens.

00:34:28.620 You.

00:34:29.080 I will tell you, I have been in disaster after disaster,

00:34:34.100 much of it not of my own creating, but natural disaster all over the world.

00:34:41.260 I have shown up at the hurricanes and the floods and the tornadoes with help,

00:34:45.440 and not once did it even occur to me to ask you,

00:34:50.420 what's your political affiliation?

00:34:52.540 Not once did it even occur to any of us to say,

00:34:56.220 where do you stand on the Second Amendment?

00:34:57.500 Who did you vote for?

00:34:59.620 What do you believe?

00:35:01.680 What church do you go to?

00:35:03.980 Never.

00:35:05.040 Do you believe in God?

00:35:06.320 Never.

00:35:07.720 That is absolutely 100% un-American. 0.88

00:35:11.840 Un-American. 0.91

00:35:13.400 I read this report.

00:35:15.840 The floods in Florida and the tornadoes in Tennessee

00:35:18.760 and the hurricanes in South Carolina,

00:35:20.880 where people waited for days for aid that never came.

00:35:25.280 And when it did come because of pressure from people like us,

00:35:30.420 survivors, Americans who lost everything,

00:35:33.980 received a $700 check.

00:35:37.660 $700.

00:35:40.500 Meanwhile, billions are being funneled to illegal immigrants,

00:35:44.940 to foreign wars, to bureaucracies studying climate equity.

00:35:48.860 And now we know why.

00:35:51.600 Because they were busy making notes about bumper stickers.

00:35:59.160 I read this this morning, and I saw it firsthand.

00:36:02.380 But I couldn't prove it.

00:36:04.120 But I saw it firsthand.

00:36:06.160 And I reported on it at the time.

00:36:09.940 But they could say it was an isolated incident.

00:36:12.600 And I couldn't prove otherwise.

00:36:14.480 We can now.

00:36:15.340 The report is now out.

00:36:17.860 This is as un-American as our withdrawal in Afghanistan.

00:36:24.320 Why was that so offensive?

00:36:27.860 Because we left in, A, humiliation.

00:36:32.740 That's the least of my concerns.

00:36:34.520 We left in humiliation.

00:36:36.140 We betrayed all of our allies.

00:36:38.860 And we left people behind.

00:36:41.260 We never leave people behind.

00:36:45.020 Never.

00:36:46.080 That's one of our highest rules.

00:36:49.320 You don't leave people behind.

00:36:53.820 One of the biggest things about Americans is that we are generous.

00:36:57.980 We are good.

00:36:58.880 We're charitable.

00:37:00.060 We help everybody.

00:37:02.100 We are the world's lifeboat.

00:37:03.780 And now we find out we had a president and an administration that was making a political list, a blacklist, where they would not give aid to Americans who are suffering.

00:37:17.640 You're taking my tax dollars, and if I happen to be the one that needs aid, I don't get coverage because of who I voted for?

00:37:30.300 It's the most offensive thing I've heard of our country ever doing on aid.

00:37:38.660 Ever.

00:37:39.760 Can you remember anything like this?

00:37:42.400 Ever?

00:37:44.380 I mean, they say democracy dies in darkness.

00:37:48.360 Yeah, well, why don't you shine a light on some of these things?

00:37:54.200 It doesn't die in darkness.

00:37:56.360 It apparently is dying in databases.

00:37:58.480 The FEMA database quietly flags citizens as politically undesirable.

00:38:08.400 Let me ask you this.

00:38:09.600 What would the media have said or done if Donald Trump had ignored those who lost their homes in California after the ravaging fire?

00:38:18.380 If he didn't just show up, it would be bad enough, right?

00:38:22.020 But he showed up.

00:38:23.620 He brought his cabinet with him.

00:38:25.800 He brought FEMA.

00:38:26.900 He brought relief.

00:38:27.900 He tried to cut all of the red tape in California.

00:38:31.700 Couldn't get that done.

00:38:33.020 But he was there.

00:38:34.120 Can you imagine if he just hadn't have shown up, which Biden never did?

00:38:37.920 If he hadn't have shown up?

00:38:39.660 Worse yet, can you imagine what would be said if you found out that Donald Trump, his FEMA, was making a list and saying they voted for Gavin Newsom.

00:38:52.400 They voted for Joe Biden.

00:38:54.520 No help for them on their house.

00:38:56.220 Can you imagine the outrage?

00:38:57.640 Can you imagine the outrage?

00:38:59.460 I would be outraged.

00:39:01.120 I am just as outraged that it happened under the last administration.

00:39:05.200 Why?

00:39:05.780 Why am I outraged?

00:39:07.160 Because it cannot happen.

00:39:09.680 It cannot happen under any administration.

00:39:12.840 You allow this to happen and stand.

00:39:15.960 Good luck, America, on what you have left.

00:39:21.300 Will anything be done?

00:39:23.220 Will anyone go to jail?

00:39:25.000 Will the left be outraged by this?

00:39:28.580 You want to talk about no kings? 0.93

00:39:30.900 What is a king other than let that serf die? 0.94

00:39:36.920 We don't care about those guys. 0.89

00:39:39.540 They aren't for the king.

00:39:49.280 You know, Mercury One has already rebuilt homes.

00:39:53.220 We're moving people back into their homes every single day.

00:39:55.960 I know it because I watch Mercury One do it.

00:40:01.660 But not in California.

00:40:03.620 We've tried in California.

00:40:05.120 Gavin Newsom, the Democrats, they're not helping those people.

00:40:08.580 They won't allow any help for those people.

00:40:10.300 Their own voters they don't care about.

00:40:13.100 If you get in the way of this leftist administration, these leftists, you get in the way, it doesn't matter.

00:40:21.460 Ends justify the means. 1.00

00:40:23.500 Let them die. 1.00

00:40:25.960 You know, they keep warning you about authoritarianism, but here it is, cloaked in compassion, branded 0.99

00:40:32.960 with a FEMA logo.

00:40:35.180 This wasn't rogue, not a rogue agent.

00:40:38.520 This is not a one-off scandal.

00:40:40.620 This was a database.

00:40:43.420 The DHS investigation says political bias was systematic, dating back to at least September

00:40:49.480 2021.

00:40:50.140 That means that while the administration accused conservatives of conspiracy theories, it was

00:40:59.140 literally compiling lists.

00:41:02.580 And the media went right along with it.

00:41:08.080 And will the media ever tell you this story?

00:41:11.260 When, what was her name?

00:41:14.200 The FEMA administrator, Criswell, testified before Congress in 2021.

00:41:19.300 She said, this was an isolated case.

00:41:21.900 Well, unfortunately, your files tell a different story.

00:41:26.740 It's not isolated.

00:41:27.960 It was national and it was deliberate.

00:41:30.480 Homeland Security Secretary Christine Ohm said, quote, for years, FEMA employees under the

00:41:37.460 Biden administration's intentionally delayed much-needed aid to Americans suffering from

00:41:42.080 natural disasters on purely political grounds.

00:41:45.360 This is not your political enemy.

00:41:48.460 This is your neighbor.

00:41:52.660 That's not mismanagement.

00:41:54.420 That's moral rot.

00:41:56.720 This is not just another Washington scandal.

00:41:59.780 This is a betrayal of the covenant between citizen and state.

00:42:05.920 But they're not going to tell you that.

00:42:07.220 Media won't talk to you about that.

00:42:08.480 The Democrats won't do a damn thing about this.

00:42:11.020 No one on that side will condemn this. 0.58

00:42:13.460 But they'll talk to you all day today about how Trump is destroying the White House.

00:42:18.280 Oh my gosh, he's destroying the White House and he's spending hundreds of millions of dollars

00:42:22.400 on a ballroom of his own money and other people who are donating.

00:42:28.840 And you know what?

00:42:29.500 They're not donating in secret.

00:42:31.300 It's all listed right there.

00:42:34.120 They don't go through Arabella Advisors or the Tides Foundation.

00:42:38.940 They give it straight and it's reported straight.

00:42:42.200 So you know who built that building.

00:42:45.700 My gosh.

00:42:53.600 They'll report on the White House today, but they're not going to report on your house

00:42:56.840 when FEMA didn't show up because you were on their list.

00:42:59.980 The moment this government decides that you are less worthy of rescue because of how you vote,

00:43:06.900 your faith, your flag, a bumper sticker,

00:43:10.720 you don't need darkness for democracy dying.

00:43:15.980 The republic is dead.

00:43:19.220 There is no republic.

00:43:21.920 A republic represents all voters.

00:43:25.720 It ceases to exist.

00:43:27.380 You do have a king.

00:43:31.480 You know, weaponizing law enforcement against political opponents is really bad.

00:43:37.360 But weaponizing disaster relief against ordinary citizens,

00:43:42.560 people standing on their roof waiting for a helicopter that never comes,

00:43:47.740 is something absolutely pitch black dark.

00:43:52.140 If your politics can determine whether you live or die,

00:44:03.100 we cease to be a republic.

00:44:05.340 We cease to deserve the rights God gave us.

00:44:10.060 Did you lock the front door?

00:44:18.200 Check.

00:44:18.740 Closed the garage door?

00:44:19.920 Yep.

00:44:20.400 Installed window sensors, smoke sensors, and HD cameras with night vision?

00:44:23.780 No.

00:44:24.700 And you set up credit card transaction alerts,

00:44:26.440 a secure VPN for a private connection,

00:44:28.160 and continuous monitoring for our personal info on the dark web?

00:44:31.220 Uh, I'm looking into it?

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