The Glenn Beck Program - November 14, 2025


Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Michael Iskander ｜ 11⧸14⧸25


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46 minutes

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7,926

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685

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Glenn Beck talks about his hero Dietrich Bonhoeffer and why he should have been a Nazi. Also, Apple unveils their new digital ID, and the House of David premieres Sunday on Prime Video.

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00:00:34.980 Yeah, yeah.
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00:03:06.480 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
00:03:19.060 I'll bring this up.
00:03:22.100 Tucker did a podcast yesterday I listened to or a couple of days ago, whenever it came
00:03:25.900 out.
00:03:26.120 I listened to it yesterday.
00:03:26.940 And another reason why I listened to it is because so many friends were like, he's talking
00:03:33.300 about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Glenn, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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00:03:51.580 Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one of my heroes.
00:03:57.420 Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one of the greatest men to ever live.
00:04:01.100 Dietrich Bonhoeffer is a Christian pastor.
00:04:05.360 And let me set it up this way.
00:04:06.740 When the Third Reich grew and the Weimar Republic collapsed, there was this.
00:04:17.160 There was this, this movement in Christianity that happened quickly within the first year
00:04:26.600 of the end of the Weimar and the beginning of the Nazi regime within a year, 60% of the
00:04:34.560 churches ridded themselves of everything Jewish.
00:04:37.920 Now, that's hard to do when your main hero figure is a Jew and the entire history that 1.00
00:04:49.940 said, hey, he's coming is also written by Jews.
00:04:55.100 It's the Old Testament.
00:04:57.420 And by the way, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they were Jews too.
00:05:00.900 So, it's hard to rinse the Jew out of the Judeo-Christian world, but somehow or another, 1.00
00:05:08.620 they did it.
00:05:10.260 60%.
00:05:10.780 Okay?
00:05:11.680 They'd gotten rid of including many churches already had gone for it and gotten rid of the
00:05:18.920 Old Testament.
00:05:20.160 That is something that Hitler's people were really pushing for. 0.94
00:05:22.980 Get rid of the Old Testament. 0.99
00:05:24.260 Well, you don't have nothing left if you don't have the Old Testament with the New Testament.
00:05:28.100 So, the world had gone insane.
00:05:33.320 The Christian world had gone insane. 1.00
00:05:35.880 Within six months, many, if not most, of the churches had replaced the picture of Christ
00:05:43.780 on the altar with a picture of Adolf Hitler.
00:05:47.460 So, he changed the fabric of Christianity entirely, and he was going after any pastor, priest, anybody
00:05:57.600 who was preaching something different.
00:06:01.380 Okay?
00:06:06.940 There were a couple of pastors.
00:06:08.860 One played along with it at first, Pastor Niemoller.
00:06:11.740 And he's like, the first they came for this, and I didn't say anything, and then they came
00:06:16.140 for this.
00:06:19.760 He didn't say anything at first.
00:06:22.120 Then he got it, and he's like, oh, I shouldn't do it.
00:06:25.260 But he was praised, in the end, for his unwavering faith.
00:06:29.380 He actually stood.
00:06:30.740 And he actually, he was one of the guys who preached that the Nazis were not to blame alone. 0.63
00:06:40.780 They played their role.
00:06:42.280 But, may I quote, would the Nazis have been able to do what they had done if church members 0.99
00:06:46.920 had been truly faithful Christians?
00:06:48.900 The answer is no.
00:06:52.320 Truly faithful.
00:06:53.380 Now, Tucker said yesterday that he doesn't think that Bonhoeffer was, I don't remember
00:06:59.820 the exact lines.
00:07:00.740 I'll probably get it wrong.
00:07:01.380 Do we have it?
00:07:02.040 Okay, go ahead and play it.
00:07:03.560 Because once you start calling people Nazis, we really have no choice but to start shooting
00:07:06.780 them.
00:07:08.240 To be Dietrich Bonhoeffer and sort of reach the end of reason or even Christianity. 0.75
00:07:12.900 Bonhoeffer decided Christianity is not even, he was a Lutheran pastor.
00:07:17.480 Christianity is not enough. 1.00
00:07:18.220 We have to kill the guy.
00:07:20.160 I'm not judging Bonhoeffer, who was a great man in some ways.
00:07:22.520 But anyway, that's inevitable once we decide that people are Nazis. 0.55
00:07:28.020 Okay, so his point here he's making about, you know, we got to stop calling people Nazis
00:07:32.180 and he's absolutely right on it.
00:07:33.340 You got to stop talking about people calling people Nazis or shooting begins.
00:07:37.100 Exactly right.
00:07:38.540 Unless they are actual Nazis.
00:07:41.060 You know what I mean?
00:07:42.280 There's, I mean, there's a difference between saying, hey, we should not call people Nazis
00:07:46.300 who are not Nazis and Dietrich Bonhoeffer shouldn't have called Hitler a Nazi.
00:07:51.280 He was the, I mean, he's like, he's the idyllic Nazi.
00:07:55.320 He's the king of all Nazis. 0.99
00:07:57.160 He's a Nazi. 0.78
00:07:59.360 So when it is a Nazi, I think you can call people Nazis. 0.66
00:08:03.280 But yeah, that does require you then to make a choice.
00:08:05.860 And that's where Bonhoeffer found himself.
00:08:08.980 This guy was an amazing man.
00:08:10.780 He was a pacifist.
00:08:11.740 He did not believe in war.
00:08:13.180 He did not believe in killing.
00:08:14.520 And that's how he skated for a long time, because he was saying, quiet, quiet, quiet.
00:08:20.300 Nope, nope, nope.
00:08:21.440 Do not involve yourself in this.
00:08:23.440 God does not want us to kill each other.
00:08:25.120 He was a huge pacifist.
00:08:28.000 His story goes back and forth.
00:08:30.220 You got to read the Bonhoeffer book if you haven't read it by Eric Metaxas.
00:08:33.080 But he goes back and forth.
00:08:34.320 He comes to the United States.
00:08:35.920 He sees faith in action, actually, in Harlem, and kind of has this renewed kind of faith experience.
00:08:46.080 He goes back to Germany.
00:08:47.980 He's there for a while.
00:08:49.240 He knows now that Hitler is, because he's helping Jews escape. 0.99
00:08:53.180 And he knows Hitler is on him. 0.84
00:08:56.440 And he's closing in on him.
00:08:58.780 He's going to get him.
00:08:59.600 He leaves.
00:09:00.720 He comes to the United States.
00:09:02.320 He's here.
00:09:03.720 And he starts feeling guilty.
00:09:05.200 He's like, I can't leave my own country.
00:09:07.460 I mean, I got to stand.
00:09:09.200 I can't leave and hide.
00:09:11.220 I've got to stand.
00:09:12.680 So he goes back to Germany, I think on the last boat that is going into Germany.
00:09:17.940 And he gets to Germany.
00:09:21.140 And he starts plotting Valkyrie.
00:09:25.380 He's part of Project Valkyrie.
00:09:28.720 Valkyrie is the Tom Cruise movie you've seen.
00:09:32.720 Von Stauffenberg, a huge German hero, who was not a Nazi, but he was a German soldier who decided, well, this has got to stop.
00:09:43.320 And they planned with a lot of people who said, we got to stop Hitler because look what he's doing. 0.75
00:09:47.820 He's destroying everything.
00:09:49.160 And he's killing millions.
00:09:51.360 And it's got to stop.
00:09:53.220 And Bonhoeffer, when he got back, he was wrestling with his pacifism because he was a pacifist, a strong one.
00:10:01.520 And he really believed that God said, no, no fighting, no war, nothing.
00:10:06.900 You're not allowed to kill.
00:10:09.580 But the evil that he saw was so overwhelming that he started questioning everything he believed.
00:10:17.980 And in his class, because he was teaching these young pastors coming up, in his class, he started saying things to the class members.
00:10:29.780 So if a pacifist saw something that was so evil you needed to stop it, would it be okay?
00:10:40.300 And then they would argue.
00:10:41.360 And the class didn't have any idea.
00:10:42.780 He was working it out with the class in his own head.
00:10:44.880 He's working out, how do I work this?
00:10:47.200 How can I, am I a Christian if I do this?
00:10:50.820 He got to the point to where he was even saying, so if you knew of a pacifist that you really respected and they did get involved in that, would you still be their friend?
00:11:00.680 Would you still respect them?
00:11:01.820 Are they still Christians? 0.84
00:11:03.180 Okay.
00:11:03.760 He's looking to work this out.
00:11:05.500 And he struggled with it.
00:11:07.700 Hitler grabs him, puts him in prison.
00:11:14.960 He's in prison for a long time.
00:11:17.620 And the only reason why he survived as long as he did is he came from a very famous family.
00:11:22.520 And so Hitler really didn't feel he had the juice to kill him without causing all kinds of other problems. 0.88
00:11:26.860 So he let him skate for a little while, but he was in prison and he wrote some beautiful stuff.
00:11:31.940 One of the most beautiful homilies on marriage that I've ever read is from him.
00:11:38.200 He was a guy who didn't get married.
00:11:39.740 He was going to get married, but knew what was going to happen to him.
00:11:42.700 So he didn't want to endanger her.
00:11:44.800 So he didn't get married.
00:11:45.620 Um, so he didn't know anything about marriage, um, except, you know, what he had read and what he had thought about and what he had read in scriptures.
00:11:53.400 And he writes this beautiful homily because he's supposed to give the sermon at his sister's wedding.
00:12:00.300 The Nazis won't let him out to do that.
00:12:02.560 And so he writes it and it's read at her, at her wedding.
00:12:05.900 And it is absolutely beautiful.
00:12:08.240 Um, and deep, deep, deep.
00:12:11.260 He's in prison for a while.
00:12:13.300 Uh, he's now it's, it's, it's,
00:12:15.620 you know, coming up to April, 1945, Hitler dies in April, 1945, uh, and everything's falling apart.
00:12:22.960 And so the Nazis start kind of cleaning up the death camps and they start transferring people.
00:12:28.860 And, and Bonhoeffer is supposed to be let free.
00:12:32.540 And he gets onto this bus, uh, you know, driven by the Nazis and he's being transferred to where he will be released.
00:12:39.080 Well, on the way, the tire goes out and they don't have a spare.
00:12:43.480 And so they're sitting on the edge of the road and they got all these prisoners and these, this other bus is coming the other direction.
00:12:52.160 And they're like, Hey, where are you going?
00:12:54.120 And they say, well, we're going to this camp.
00:12:56.420 Great.
00:12:56.820 Would you just take these prisoners with you?
00:13:00.260 Um, here's the paperwork and everything else.
00:13:01.880 Here's the prisoners.
00:13:02.500 You just take them with you.
00:13:03.460 So all the prisoners that were there, including Bonhoeffer was supposed to be released, go to this other death camp.
00:13:09.660 And now he's sitting there on this death camp, uh, and waiting for death and not, not supposed to be.
00:13:16.640 Um, and in that he is preaching Christ to the guy who did all of the experiments on the Jews, you know, freezing them, bringing them up in high altitude until their heads pop. 0.79
00:13:31.840 All, all the horrible experiments, everything that is now in every hospital in the world, the book about hypothermia and everything else.
00:13:42.780 It's the, the, it's, it's the, the number one book on what the human body can do and how you fix thing.
00:13:51.180 Number one, it's in every hospital.
00:13:53.780 Every doctor has it.
00:13:54.780 That was written by that Nazi. 0.90
00:13:57.540 He released it without Hitler's permission because he thought it was such a gift to the world. 0.78
00:14:02.340 And he went to prison because Hitler said, we're not trying to save the world.
00:14:05.880 We're saving German soldiers.
00:14:08.020 Puts him in prison.
00:14:09.760 The guy is a vile guy.
00:14:11.320 As you can imagine, he's in with, I think a French spy, this woman, she was a double agent.
00:14:16.900 And they're, so they're in with this cell with Dietrich Bonhoeffer and he's preaching to them.
00:14:22.860 And they're just vile with each other in front of him.
00:14:27.260 Keeps his cool.
00:14:28.780 Keeps who he is.
00:14:31.820 Comes up to a couple of weeks before Hitler is going to kill himself. 0.75
00:14:36.680 And they come and they're going to execute everybody in that cell.
00:14:41.540 And so they go out.
00:14:42.980 And the only reason why we know how Dietrich Bonhoeffer died and when he died is because of the way he acted.
00:14:50.120 He went out, they took him out to the woods and they had built a hanging platform.
00:14:55.940 And one by one, they brought him up, put the noose around their neck, trap door, they died.
00:15:02.120 Caught him down, next one, bring him up, put the noose around their neck, trap door, opens, they die.
00:15:08.600 Bonhoeffer, when he comes up, he comes up to the platform and the guy who's putting the noose around his neck,
00:15:14.520 he says something like, thank you for your kindness.
00:15:19.160 And the guy is like, what?
00:15:22.440 Everybody else is freaking out.
00:15:24.280 Everybody else is, you know.
00:15:25.520 And he says, thank you for your kindness.
00:15:28.840 He tightens the noose, pulls the trap door, dead.
00:15:31.960 But he remembers that one guy and remembers that was Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
00:15:39.500 I don't know if he knew who Dietrich Bonhoeffer was at the time, but he knew him because of that thank you.
00:15:46.300 He died like a very valiant man.
00:15:50.220 In a way, I don't know if I could.
00:15:51.900 What is the difference between when you confront evil, when you see evil?
00:16:04.580 I mean, Dietrich Bonhoeffer is the guy who said, silence in the face of evil is evil itself.
00:16:10.340 God will not hold us blameless.
00:16:12.820 Not to act is to act.
00:16:15.580 Okay.
00:16:16.900 That comes from a deep, deep spiritual place.
00:16:20.620 What is the difference between that and Thomas Jefferson saying, rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God?
00:16:34.320 Do you as a Christian have a responsibility to kill Hitler if you had the opportunity with not baby Hitler? 0.95
00:16:46.220 Baby Hitler hasn't committed any crime. 0.89
00:16:47.880 You're seeing this death machine and you've tried everything you can to stop it.
00:16:55.340 Do you have a responsibility as a Christian to stop the evil? 1.00
00:16:59.660 I think you do.
00:17:03.340 I think silence in the face of evil is evil itself.
00:17:06.840 Not to act is to act.
00:17:10.300 You know, for evil to happen, it'll happen when good men do nothing.
00:17:16.260 We know that.
00:17:17.140 We have a responsibility to act.
00:17:19.080 But we have a responsibility to do everything Christ-like that we can first.
00:17:24.580 But you get into this place to where, you know, woe unto those who call evil good and good evil.
00:17:33.180 Everybody starts to confuse the language.
00:17:35.940 And that's what's happening right now.
00:17:37.400 Everybody's calling everybody a fascist or Hitler.
00:17:39.840 Everybody calls everybody a Nazi.
00:17:41.700 And so there's no meaning on words.
00:17:45.180 We can't forget what words actually mean.
00:17:48.420 Or we will wind up calling good evil and evil good.
00:17:52.300 That's what happened to so many Christians. 1.00
00:17:54.700 They did nothing.
00:17:55.860 They just went along with it.
00:17:57.780 They just played along.
00:17:59.160 And then it became them.
00:18:01.680 Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a great, great man.
00:18:05.920 A Christian giant and a man who fought real evil and wrestled with it.
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00:19:38.960 So, Stu, why wouldn't you want a digital ID issued by the state?
00:19:47.240 Why wouldn't I want one?
00:19:48.180 Yeah, why wouldn't you want one?
00:19:49.140 Gosh, I can't think of any reasons.
00:19:50.720 It would make everything so much easier.
00:19:52.680 Right.
00:19:53.020 You know, you can always trust the government to have your best interests at heart, unlike
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00:20:00.920 And, you know, so I think I would take one immediately.
00:20:05.460 But are there some people that are resisting this?
00:20:07.160 I can't even imagine.
00:20:07.960 Well, there's some that say that, you know, this is the beginning of an all-seeing, all-knowing
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00:20:13.560 And the next thing you know, they control everything.
00:20:16.580 It is weird, too, because is that even speculation?
00:20:20.380 Like, isn't this what, like, for example, China is already doing?
00:20:23.520 Oh, yeah, China is already doing it. 0.99
00:20:24.620 They're way down this road.
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00:20:29.800 what it is.
00:20:30.480 The next thing, you get the digital ID as the first thing.
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00:20:38.140 It will give you access to the hospitals or not access to the hospitals.
00:20:42.800 Um, it will, uh, allow you to buy things or not buy things.
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00:20:53.360 It is control of absolutely everything.
00:20:56.240 And that's in the design.
00:20:58.060 And they talk about it openly.
00:21:00.160 Okay.
00:21:01.280 We're backdooring it.
00:21:03.540 We're not, because they know Americans are not going to go for that.
00:21:06.920 Really?
00:21:08.080 Did you meet us during COVID?
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00:21:14.380 COVID really, the real thing on COVID was really all about was digital ID.
00:21:19.600 We got to get everybody onto a digital ID.
00:21:24.020 Now, because Americans aren't for it, the good, good, good, good, good, good people at
00:21:30.080 Apple are here for you.
00:21:33.660 Presenting the new Apple digital ID.
00:21:37.540 Now, at the TSA checkpoints in more than 250 airports all across the U.S., you can present
00:21:46.520 your digital ID at TSA checkpoints and get right onto that plane.
00:21:53.820 Imagine it allows you to create and store an ID in an Apple wallet using your U.S. passport.
00:22:00.560 The Apple digital ID acceptance will begin to roll out at TSA checkpoints for domestic travel
00:22:08.880 in over 250 airports across the U.S., the U.S.A.
00:22:12.380 Apple notes it's not a replacement for your physical passport, and you can't use it yet
00:22:17.900 for international travel or border crossings, but you can store everything digitally in
00:22:25.420 their wallet.
00:22:26.800 I can already pay for almost everything with that wallet.
00:22:31.080 Now, I can use it as an official government ID.
00:22:35.400 Yeah.
00:22:36.360 Who doesn't want that? 0.53
00:22:37.900 I mean, it does sort of sound appealing, doesn't it?
00:22:43.220 I mean, just speaking frankly for a moment.
00:22:45.920 Yes, it does.
00:22:46.560 It does.
00:22:47.460 Very appealing.
00:22:48.600 When I get on a plane, you know, I'm using that as my key.
00:22:52.620 You know, you have cars now where your phone is your key.
00:22:57.800 You have, you can store all sorts of credit cards.
00:23:00.300 You can pay through the phone.
00:23:02.040 I mean, what's the argument to the average person that this is some bad thing?
00:23:06.120 I have to carry this in my wallet anyway.
00:23:07.820 I'm carrying my phone instead.
00:23:10.440 I'd love that.
00:23:11.780 I'd love that.
00:23:12.820 If it was completely isolated on my phone.
00:23:16.980 Now, Apple's pretty good with security, actually.
00:23:19.040 They are.
00:23:19.320 They are legitimately good with privacy.
00:23:20.720 They're the best.
00:23:21.580 They are.
00:23:22.080 No, I know.
00:23:22.780 I mean that sincerely.
00:23:23.820 We're saying it with a sarcastic voice.
00:23:25.260 Because what does the best mean?
00:23:27.840 What does the best mean?
00:23:28.760 It's a relative term.
00:23:30.120 It's a relative term.
00:23:31.180 But they are the best at digital, at, you know, security.
00:23:35.020 As opposed to some of their competitors.
00:23:37.220 Right.
00:23:37.820 And I have to tell you, when you start putting everything, all records, all passports, all,
00:23:49.640 it is your one universal key, and it's tied directly to online, where it's tracking everything, everywhere you go, every dollar you spent.
00:24:02.700 This is just a very bad idea.
00:24:04.980 Very bad idea.
00:24:06.240 There's a story.
00:24:07.200 I can't remember.
00:24:07.780 Oh, it's called the Book of Revelation.
00:24:15.100 I've heard of it.
00:24:16.180 Yeah.
00:24:16.400 I mean, how much clearer do you have to be where you can't go anywhere, you can't buy anything unless you have the mark?
00:24:25.680 Well, I'm not saying Apple is coming up with the mark of the beast.
00:24:29.960 Right.
00:24:30.080 But this is the technology that sure kind of fits it.
00:24:34.640 And I just don't.
00:24:35.660 Do you know why the Germans could round up so many Jews every night? 1.00
00:24:42.440 IBM.
00:24:44.280 IBM.
00:24:44.860 That's a book, right?
00:24:45.740 IBM and the Holocaust.
00:24:47.360 IBM came up with the punch card system.
00:24:49.900 You remember when I was a kid?
00:24:51.260 I don't know if anybody else remembers this, but, you know, these computers were the size of rooms, and you had punch cards, and you would feed it in, and it would store the information on the punch card.
00:25:00.640 Okay?
00:25:00.800 And so you could ask it anything on a punch card, you'd type it out, and it would punch out whatever, and you'd feed it in the computer, and it would feed out another punch card, and then you'd translate it.
00:25:09.900 Okay?
00:25:11.120 They put everything onto these punch cards, where everybody lived, who was related to whom, et cetera, et cetera.
00:25:16.660 So they could go in the afternoon and go, we've got to clear out another 20,000.
00:25:21.140 Where are they?
00:25:23.000 Feed it into IBM, punch card it out, and you round everybody up.
00:25:27.980 Okay?
00:25:28.200 That was then.
00:25:29.180 There wouldn't be a Jew alive on the planet if we had digital IDs. 1.00
00:25:35.900 Not a chance.
00:25:36.900 Yeah, and it really, it does sort of rest on your belief we don't cross those lines, right?
00:25:43.660 Yeah.
00:25:43.820 That our government doesn't become Nazi Germany, and again, everybody who has faced a government like that has thought about, oh, gosh, our government won't do this.
00:25:55.260 Right?
00:25:55.380 Like, everybody who...
00:25:56.380 Think of COVID!
00:25:56.960 We were on the air saying, like, in, what, February.
00:26:01.700 Can you imagine?
00:26:02.820 Look at what they're doing.
00:26:03.840 They're welding people into their houses. 0.84
00:26:05.640 Yeah, in China.
00:26:06.220 I remember in Italy being...
00:26:07.580 Because China was... 0.94
00:26:08.660 China's China. 0.81
00:26:09.760 Am I surprised they're welding people into their houses? 0.98
00:26:11.680 We're like, there's no way you could even help us stay in our own houses.
00:26:15.860 But when it happened in Italy, I remember being like, oh my...
00:26:18.540 Like, that's...
00:26:19.400 We share a lot of what I thought, a general understanding.
00:26:23.360 But we still said, not happen here.
00:26:25.380 I remember thinking...
00:26:26.980 Sitting in the chair I'm sitting in right now.
00:26:29.100 Me too.
00:26:29.500 Thinking...
00:26:29.940 Watching the map, you know, on TV of Italy as it got more and more red and circles started popping up all over and they're getting all these cases.
00:26:37.180 And I'm thinking to myself, they're actually making people stay in their houses?
00:26:40.760 Can you believe this?
00:26:41.640 Like, I couldn't even comprehend it.
00:26:43.800 Yeah.
00:26:44.080 That they would even ask us to do it.
00:26:46.060 Yeah.
00:26:46.380 In the United States.
00:26:47.040 And then a few weeks later, there we were.
00:26:48.540 There we were.
00:26:49.480 There we were.
00:26:50.120 And some states were better than others.
00:26:51.940 Oh, yeah.
00:26:52.680 And there was never a point where I was not able to leave my house.
00:26:56.160 But there were lots of restrictions on where I could go.
00:26:58.320 Oh, there are...
00:26:58.880 I know people that couldn't leave their house.
00:27:00.820 Yeah.
00:27:01.360 I know people not in Texas and other places could not leave their house.
00:27:04.560 Could not go outside.
00:27:06.540 Could not go outside.
00:27:09.100 Couldn't go for a walk.
00:27:10.140 That was insanity.
00:27:11.540 Insanity.
00:27:11.840 Always.
00:27:12.340 And, you know, and we just took it.
00:27:14.560 We just took it.
00:27:15.940 This is already happening.
00:27:17.780 We didn't take it.
00:27:18.360 But I know what you're saying.
00:27:19.360 In some states, we did.
00:27:21.080 Some people did.
00:27:22.100 Some people not only took it, cheered it on, and vilified people who wouldn't go along with it.
00:27:27.180 Yes.
00:27:27.780 Yes.
00:27:28.320 Though I do think that when you look back at the overall arc of that period, when you
00:27:33.940 don't focus on the, you know, the very fine details of it, what you get is a society that
00:27:39.840 did say no to it.
00:27:41.340 It took a while, and it did happen in some states and not others.
00:27:45.280 We eventually did get to that place.
00:27:47.040 And because of constitutional protections, I think some of that stuff was reversed.
00:27:51.440 I'm not saying it's a positive story overall, but I mean, at the end of the day, we didn't
00:27:55.500 turn into Nazi Germany.
00:27:56.920 Right.
00:27:57.100 From it.
00:27:57.580 But they also didn't have total control over everything.
00:28:01.280 They couldn't just shut your money off.
00:28:03.680 Right.
00:28:04.200 Okay.
00:28:04.460 The difference here, digital ID is the first step to an authoritarian state where they have
00:28:10.640 all control.
00:28:11.800 Doesn't mean you end there.
00:28:13.580 It just means you've given people that power.
00:28:16.660 You don't ever want to give people that power ever, ever, ever.
00:28:22.260 We're not going to use it that way.
00:28:23.880 Tell me one thing that the government has said we're not going to do besides balance the budget.
00:28:29.920 Show me one thing they said we're not going to do that they, you know, they haven't done.
00:28:34.520 Lots of positive things they said they're going to do and then didn't do them.
00:28:38.860 And then didn't do them.
00:28:40.000 But yeah, you're right.
00:28:41.520 Well, it is a step down a path that you don't want to walk down.
00:28:46.280 Especially when, you know, if we were becoming a more and more healthy republic, if we were
00:28:51.640 becoming a more and more just republic, a more calm republic, a republic that was starting
00:28:57.780 to really realize, you know, I have a real responsibility as a citizen not to burn Minneapolis
00:29:02.400 down.
00:29:03.520 You know what I mean?
00:29:04.160 I have a real responsibility as somebody in my party says, I think we should behead them.
00:29:09.860 I'm going to stand up and say, no, we shouldn't.
00:29:11.900 And I'll lead a campaign to make sure that that person is not, you know, the one that wins
00:29:16.560 that election, even if it's my, even if it's my running mate, we're not that nation.
00:29:22.740 We're not going in that direction.
00:29:24.260 We're going the opposite.
00:29:25.860 When you have a nation that is like, you know, I don't know exactly what's going to happen
00:29:30.180 with the dollar because of everything is good.
00:29:33.160 You don't want to hand them the tool that just says, oh, by the way, you can buy everything
00:29:38.080 now, you know, with your digital ID and it'll all be centralized and you've already signed
00:29:43.720 up, you have it.
00:29:44.580 So we're just giving it now.
00:29:46.380 Your dollar is not going to be worth anything soon.
00:29:48.960 Just make sure you get the digital ID.
00:29:51.180 You don't want that scenario.
00:29:53.800 You stay away from those lines.
00:29:56.120 We do have to protect those lines.
00:29:57.340 But I will say, you know, history is littered with examples of people who say they're going
00:30:04.420 to protect those lines.
00:30:06.040 And when convenience rears its head, they choose the convenience.
00:30:10.580 I mean, it happens almost every single time, Glenn.
00:30:13.940 There's almost no examples of people who will resist these technologies.
00:30:18.160 So that is on the freedom loving side, okay, where you're like, I'm not going to do, I'm
00:30:25.280 not going to give my face to anybody, face ID on Apple.
00:30:29.820 We're all doing it.
00:30:30.760 Right.
00:30:31.200 Okay.
00:30:31.400 Um, on the, on the other side, there's almost no example of getting something that can be
00:30:39.360 used to control people and having those who are nefarious on either side, not use those
00:30:47.520 things.
00:30:48.760 Eventually they will find a way to use those things.
00:30:51.780 Look at, look at the, look at the Patriot Act.
00:30:54.980 We all were not, oh, you know what?
00:30:57.080 We're all patriots.
00:30:58.400 We're all patriots.
00:30:59.720 We all believe in the same thing.
00:31:00.900 Maybe a slight simplification of that conversation, but I know it is, but, uh, but generally
00:31:05.180 speaking, we all just kind of went along with it and look how out of control it is now.
00:31:10.140 Look how out of control our country is on spying on our own citizens.
00:31:14.980 Something 20 years ago, we would have, we would have, we would have marched up to Washington
00:31:20.100 to make sure all of those people were standing in front of a judge and going to jail that week. 0.78
00:31:24.780 We don't even recognize it anymore.
00:31:28.020 You don't want these tools given.
00:31:30.180 We're simultaneously, uh, being watched more than ever before.
00:31:34.660 But as you brought up in hour one, we were Thomas Crooks is just on the internet.
00:31:39.180 It's like threatening everybody in the government.
00:31:42.320 How do I behead this politician?
00:31:44.600 Right.
00:31:44.740 And like, no one even knows.
00:31:45.860 No one pays attention.
00:31:46.800 A search.
00:31:47.520 And our government is like, yeah, Mary, we couldn't find anything digitally.
00:31:51.960 Wait, wait.
00:31:53.000 He did this.
00:31:54.280 How come, what is happening?
00:31:56.640 That's why, I mean, in a time when we distrust our government more and more, that's the last
00:32:03.000 thing you do is give them more power and access to everything about you.
00:32:08.160 How do you balance this though, Glenn?
00:32:09.280 Because one of the things, and maybe we could take a, I know we have to take a break here,
00:32:12.620 but maybe you can answer this.
00:32:14.000 One of the things I always thought about the most brilliant thing of our founders were
00:32:17.880 understanding human fallibility, right?
00:32:22.020 Like understanding that we weren't going to be perfect and we should set up a system
00:32:26.420 that understood that people have selfish motivations at times and that the system will be able
00:32:33.720 to understand that and still be able to deliver a great world, right?
00:32:40.260 This is the situation here.
00:32:42.060 Like, this is why I have no real time for some of the conversations we've had on some
00:32:48.320 of the people we've read and talked about who are like, let's just stop AI for five years
00:32:53.560 and then let's assess it.
00:32:56.600 Like even Elon Musk has said stuff like this.
00:32:58.620 And like, I think he's even abandoned that to some degree as he's developing AI himself.
00:33:03.540 But like the idea that we're going to slow this down or stop it and have a conversation,
00:33:08.700 people just want it too much.
00:33:10.220 And at some point, we just have to understand they're going to.
00:33:13.200 We better live in that world, understand that world and try to deal with the real world.
00:33:17.940 Because if we just say, okay, well, let's just stop.
00:33:20.540 Well, that's great.
00:33:21.200 You know, who's not going to stop China? 1.00
00:33:23.580 You know, who's not going to stop like bad actors, hacking groups, all these other things.
00:33:29.720 And if we base our solution on, well, let's just not do these things, we're going to wind
00:33:36.700 up losing.
00:33:37.140 And I, you know, the digital idea is probably a small part of that conversation, but I think
00:33:41.560 it's part of it.
00:33:42.780 People are going to want it.
00:33:44.000 I don't have to bring my wallet.
00:33:46.360 So how do we, knowing that people will choose to have these things on their phone, because
00:33:52.800 it's going to be easier.
00:33:54.020 How are we going to then push back against that and stop these things from going down
00:34:00.160 these roads?
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00:34:08.120 Hey, can I ask you for a favor?
00:34:09.400 Would you say a prayer for some of my friends like Megyn Kelly?
00:34:13.300 Honestly, I have been where they are, and they are, they are under the gun big time.
00:34:21.360 Everything that Megyn is saying is being taken out of context by one side or another, and
00:34:26.300 they are surrounding her.
00:34:27.720 And, you know, I know her well enough to know nobody's going to beat her down.
00:34:30.860 But just pray for people who do what we do, that we have wisdom, that we see the truth,
00:34:39.580 we know the truth, and we have the courage to say the truth.
00:34:43.100 And when we're wrong, we have the courage to say we got it wrong.
00:34:47.900 But it's getting more and more difficult to do this every day.
00:34:53.480 And I thought it was difficult before.
00:34:56.240 But say a prayer.
00:34:57.500 And you don't have to pray for me.
00:34:58.580 I mean, I'd love it, but pray for Megyn in particular, if you would.
00:35:04.700 I've got somebody on who is in just an amazing, amazing show from Amazon, House of David.
00:35:13.940 If you haven't seen House of David yet, you have to.
00:35:17.240 Do you remember when, like, you know, biblical movies, I mean, they were good in the 50s,
00:35:22.600 and then they got really, really bad.
00:35:24.360 And all through the 70s and 80s and 90s and, you know, early 2000s, they were horrible.
00:35:29.260 And then all of a sudden, they started getting really, really good.
00:35:32.340 This one is amazing.
00:35:34.000 This is as good as the Jesus. 0.99
00:35:36.020 What is the Jesus one? 0.95
00:35:37.140 The Chosen.
00:35:39.040 It's called House of David.
00:35:40.200 It's on Amazon.
00:35:41.380 And we have the guy who portrays David, Michael Iskandor, on with us.
00:35:47.820 Michael, how are you?
00:35:50.100 I'm good.
00:35:50.740 How are you?
00:35:51.020 What an introduction.
00:35:51.860 Thank you for that.
00:35:53.040 I mean, it's really, I mean, come on.
00:35:56.100 Was there any time that you thought, oh, and this might, this could, I hope they do it right.
00:36:01.920 And then you saw the finished product and you were like, wow, this is good.
00:36:05.100 Yeah, I mean, that was, you know, I try to still keep my head down and, you know, it's not finished till it's finished.
00:36:14.460 And season two is coming out.
00:36:16.480 But, you know, I'm just so glad to be hearing the response of how the show is really affecting people.
00:36:25.420 So can I talk to you about Goliath?
00:36:28.060 Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant, not just a big guy.
00:36:32.720 I mean, he's, he's a giant.
00:36:35.980 Yes.
00:36:37.100 Talk to me about that.
00:36:39.720 Well, I'll tell you what, when I, when I first met Martin, I, he, he's a giant in real life.
00:36:45.680 I went to, I went to the gym with him one time and I, you know, I knew I'm going to go get, you know, messed up.
00:36:53.300 So I was prepared for that.
00:36:54.780 And, and he made the workout for two and a half hours.
00:36:59.700 And then I thought that the workout was done.
00:37:02.720 And he was like, no, there's another half.
00:37:05.140 And, uh, he, he, Martin Ford is, is a really dedicated man.
00:37:10.200 And, and, um, he just, he, he pushed me to the edge when it came to working out.
00:37:15.460 And, and, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath, he is someone that, um, you know, really just put in all the effort, both physically and emotionally to, to really portray that part, um, as best he can.
00:37:28.820 How long did it, how long did it take you to learn how to do the slingshot?
00:37:33.960 Three days.
00:37:34.980 It wasn't too bad.
00:37:35.780 Wow.
00:37:36.360 Wow.
00:37:37.320 I heard that, I mean, I heard that you had problem with the sheep, that the sheep were, they were not helpful.
00:37:42.720 The sheep, man, well, the sheep, the sheep were actually really interesting.
00:37:47.480 I remember when we first started filming, they, uh, they put me in sheep training classes because when I get on set, they have to make sure that I'm not, you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep and I'm comfortable around them.
00:38:01.100 Um, but the sheep, the first day I show up to this training and the sheep hated me.
00:38:06.340 And you'd think that the guy who plays David, you know, would be good with sheep, but it was the exact opposite.
00:38:11.520 No, I don't, I don't think that, I don't think that's natural.
00:38:14.080 You're an actor.
00:38:14.820 I don't know if that's, yep.
00:38:16.280 Well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.
00:38:19.200 You know?
00:38:19.980 Okay.
00:38:20.760 Yeah.
00:38:21.040 I should have got classes from you.
00:38:22.500 Yeah.
00:38:23.040 I mean, I don't know.
00:38:25.520 But, um, but no, I mean, it really, I spent a lot of time with the shepherd and he would give me
00:38:30.840 some really amazing lessons.
00:38:32.340 He, he saw that I was having trouble and he said, you know, you should, um, you should
00:38:37.340 stick next to me because the sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that
00:38:42.480 you're with me.
00:38:43.340 So they'll never leave my side.
00:38:45.700 It's amazing.
00:38:46.320 I want you to spend a lot of time with me.
00:38:48.120 He said, oh, okay.
00:38:49.880 And then he said, I want you to know another thing.
00:38:52.820 Um, a bad shepherd is a shepherd who's behind the flock.
00:38:57.020 And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd.
00:38:59.100 You're going to show them what, you're not going to let them lead you. 0.66
00:39:02.720 You're going to, you're going to lead them and you're going to be in the front taking
00:39:05.460 the risks and, and showing them the path.
00:39:08.840 Um, and, and he's, he's saying this and I'm like, I think, I think I'm getting more than
00:39:13.600 just a sheep lesson here.
00:39:15.260 Um, but it really helped in, in terms of, you know, understanding who David was as a person,
00:39:20.860 um, and, and his relationship to Christ and, um, why, why David was chosen as king.
00:39:29.100 Um, is it true that you fasted, um, before the audition?
00:39:33.480 I mean, you're a Broadway guy.
00:39:34.880 Yeah.
00:39:35.720 Yeah.
00:39:36.660 Yeah.
00:39:37.080 No, I, I, well, I sent in the first audition and I was really excited about it.
00:39:41.580 And it was a dream of mine for a long time.
00:39:44.720 You know, one of the, one of these dreams that you don't tell anyone and you don't think
00:39:47.560 that's ever going to happen to play David specifically or to be in a, yeah, really
00:39:52.560 to play David, to play David.
00:39:55.060 Um, and cause I was inspired by the chosen and I wanted to, I wanted to like maybe do
00:40:00.120 a flashback scene as like a young David or something.
00:40:02.840 And then when I, so when I got the audition and they originally said no, I was like, oh,
00:40:07.640 you know, that, that would have been, that would have been a good opportunity.
00:40:12.120 And then I got another audition and I called my mom and I said, mom, this doesn't happen
00:40:16.340 all, like, can you believe it?
00:40:17.980 And she said, Michael, calm down.
00:40:20.480 The one thing I need you to do, I need you to fast and I need you to pray.
00:40:24.360 I said, yes, ma'am.
00:40:26.020 And, uh, a week later I was having a lunch with John Irwin and he, you know, everything
00:40:32.140 kind of took off from there.
00:40:33.720 But, um, yeah, I'm fasting and prayer.
00:40:37.400 You know, I'm friends with, I went to school with Jim Caviezel and, uh, I can't remember
00:40:42.860 what grade he was in, maybe fifth grade, I think.
00:40:46.200 But he went into, uh, he went into church and all by himself and he prayed and he made
00:40:52.920 a pact with God.
00:40:53.840 Let me, all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie someday and I will live my life honorably
00:41:00.020 to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.
00:41:04.160 And so, you know, he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the
00:41:08.660 call.
00:41:09.480 It's an amazing thing.
00:41:11.760 Um, wow.
00:41:12.780 I didn't know that story.
00:41:13.800 That's beautiful.
00:41:14.280 Yeah.
00:41:14.720 Um, what do you think it is about the story that, I mean, this is the number one show,
00:41:20.020 number one series on, uh, on Amazon, on Amazon prime this year.
00:41:24.480 What, what is it about the series that you think is connecting?
00:41:28.720 You know, I, I think it's different for everybody.
00:41:32.660 I'll tell you for me, the reason why this, this show means a lot to me is because David
00:41:38.780 points us to Christ and, and David is a, as a person, he, to me, he's the embodiment
00:41:45.440 of what it means to be human and to make mistakes and yet to still find forgiveness.
00:41:49.940 And his story is a very complex, long story.
00:41:52.500 Um, but, but he is a man that, that he's known as the man after God's own heart.
00:41:59.160 So for people to see that example, to see, to see the man that, that God loved so much
00:42:06.820 that Jesus himself was known as the son of David.
00:42:09.440 Um, I think that's, what's resonating with people.
00:42:11.720 They see the Holy spirit of the show.
00:42:13.320 Um, at least that's, that's what I see.
00:42:15.980 Um, and that's, that's who I do it for.
00:42:18.780 It's, um, it's, it's amazing to me how, um, with an exception of one, the Bible, every
00:42:27.700 single hero is so deeply flawed.
00:42:31.900 Um, and David is so good, so good.
00:42:36.460 And then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever
00:42:42.700 read in the Bible.
00:42:43.720 I mean, just really bad.
00:42:45.460 Um, are you going to play, do you have any idea if, assuming the ratings are there, how
00:42:50.540 long of the story you're going to tell?
00:42:53.220 I really don't know.
00:42:54.420 I mean, we're just trying to get through season two right now in the release.
00:42:58.020 Hopefully, you know, pray for us that we can get a season three and then we can keep telling
00:43:02.360 the story.
00:43:03.320 Um, I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have in picking up, but I, I pray that we, we tell as
00:43:10.720 much of the story as possible.
00:43:11.980 And I, I think it's important to see both the good and the bad, like you said, to, to
00:43:17.900 see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes and yet to see them get back
00:43:24.040 up and, and repent and ask for forgiveness and find grace in God.
00:43:29.780 So we'll see.
00:43:31.580 Pray for us.
00:43:33.300 You, uh, I read someplace that you were a Broadway guy and I thought his career is not
00:43:40.100 over you.
00:43:40.640 I mean, you might, I mean, are you prepared to always be David?
00:43:44.240 I mean, uh, the guy who's playing Jesus now, Jim Caviezel said, you know, or not, it took
00:43:50.060 years before he was allowed to play anything else.
00:43:52.540 Um, and I can't remember the guy who's playing Jesus now his whole life.
00:43:56.280 He is Jesus now to a lot of people.
00:43:58.180 Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now and not, you know, going and
00:44:04.880 going back and doing other things if, if that's the way it is.
00:44:07.740 Um, you know what, God has taken me to so much in my life and I'm, I'm sure he's going
00:44:14.660 to get me through this.
00:44:16.380 And if, if, if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think that's actually a blessing.
00:44:21.420 Um, and I, I don't know what God has this in store, but, but I trust him.
00:44:27.080 So when that time comes, uh, I'll worry about it then.
00:44:30.340 But for now, I'm, I'm having a great time, uh, portraying one of my favorite people in
00:44:35.280 I have to just ask you a personal, uh, question, one for me.
00:44:40.080 My daughter wants to be on Broadway. 0.89
00:44:42.200 Could you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?
00:44:47.620 Wow.
00:44:48.100 Oh man.
00:44:48.960 I don't, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.
00:44:51.040 Okay.
00:44:51.400 Well, I have time to time for you to go now, uh, Michael, thank you so much.
00:44:57.020 And we're looking forward.
00:44:58.140 When, when is it premiere this weekend?
00:45:00.460 Is it out?
00:45:01.360 Well, episode eight is out, uh, on wonder project on prime.
00:45:05.280 This Sunday.
00:45:06.340 Yeah.
00:45:06.500 Okay.
00:45:06.780 Good.
00:45:07.100 Good.
00:45:07.840 Yeah.
00:45:08.280 Well, we'll be watching.
00:45:09.120 Thank you so much, Michael.
00:45:09.920 Appreciate it.
00:45:10.600 Thank you so much.
00:45:11.460 Have a good one.
00:45:12.140 Take care.
00:45:12.540 If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see the, I mean, it's really,
00:45:17.180 really good.
00:45:18.220 It's one of those that I started watching, you know, and, uh, I stopped because I'm like,
00:45:23.980 wait, Tanya, we should watch this together.
00:45:26.460 And she came home.
00:45:27.300 And so we started watching it.
00:45:28.340 And I think we watched the whole season in like one weekend.
00:45:30.980 It's one of those that you just, it's really good.
00:45:33.480 Season two premieres this Sunday.
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