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Glenn Beck talks about his hero Dietrich Bonhoeffer and why he should have been a Nazi. Also, Apple unveils their new digital ID, and the House of David premieres Sunday on Prime Video.
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Tucker did a podcast yesterday I listened to or a couple of days ago, whenever it came
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And another reason why I listened to it is because so many friends were like, he's talking
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about Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Glenn, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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You draw your own conclusion about who you listen to and you can listen to them or not
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But let's make sure we correct facts and not make it about personalities.
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer is one of the greatest men to ever live.
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When the Third Reich grew and the Weimar Republic collapsed, there was this.
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There was this, this movement in Christianity that happened quickly within the first year
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of the end of the Weimar and the beginning of the Nazi regime within a year, 60% of the
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churches ridded themselves of everything Jewish.
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Now, that's hard to do when your main hero figure is a Jew and the entire history that
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said, hey, he's coming is also written by Jews.
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And by the way, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they were Jews too.
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So, it's hard to rinse the Jew out of the Judeo-Christian world, but somehow or another,
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They'd gotten rid of including many churches already had gone for it and gotten rid of the
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That is something that Hitler's people were really pushing for.
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Well, you don't have nothing left if you don't have the Old Testament with the New Testament.
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Within six months, many, if not most, of the churches had replaced the picture of Christ
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So, he changed the fabric of Christianity entirely, and he was going after any pastor, priest, anybody
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One played along with it at first, Pastor Niemoller.
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And he's like, the first they came for this, and I didn't say anything, and then they came
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Then he got it, and he's like, oh, I shouldn't do it.
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But he was praised, in the end, for his unwavering faith.
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And he actually, he was one of the guys who preached that the Nazis were not to blame alone.
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But, may I quote, would the Nazis have been able to do what they had done if church members
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Now, Tucker said yesterday that he doesn't think that Bonhoeffer was, I don't remember
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Because once you start calling people Nazis, we really have no choice but to start shooting
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To be Dietrich Bonhoeffer and sort of reach the end of reason or even Christianity.
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Bonhoeffer decided Christianity is not even, he was a Lutheran pastor.
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I'm not judging Bonhoeffer, who was a great man in some ways.
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But anyway, that's inevitable once we decide that people are Nazis.
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Okay, so his point here he's making about, you know, we got to stop calling people Nazis
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You got to stop talking about people calling people Nazis or shooting begins.
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There's, I mean, there's a difference between saying, hey, we should not call people Nazis
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who are not Nazis and Dietrich Bonhoeffer shouldn't have called Hitler a Nazi.
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He was the, I mean, he's like, he's the idyllic Nazi.
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So when it is a Nazi, I think you can call people Nazis.
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But yeah, that does require you then to make a choice.
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And that's how he skated for a long time, because he was saying, quiet, quiet, quiet.
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You got to read the Bonhoeffer book if you haven't read it by Eric Metaxas.
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He sees faith in action, actually, in Harlem, and kind of has this renewed kind of faith experience.
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He knows now that Hitler is, because he's helping Jews escape.
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So he goes back to Germany, I think on the last boat that is going into Germany.
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Von Stauffenberg, a huge German hero, who was not a Nazi, but he was a German soldier who decided, well, this has got to stop.
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And they planned with a lot of people who said, we got to stop Hitler because look what he's doing.
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And Bonhoeffer, when he got back, he was wrestling with his pacifism because he was a pacifist, a strong one.
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And he really believed that God said, no, no fighting, no war, nothing.
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But the evil that he saw was so overwhelming that he started questioning everything he believed.
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And in his class, because he was teaching these young pastors coming up, in his class, he started saying things to the class members.
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So if a pacifist saw something that was so evil you needed to stop it, would it be okay?
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He was working it out with the class in his own head.
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He got to the point to where he was even saying, so if you knew of a pacifist that you really respected and they did get involved in that, would you still be their friend?
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And the only reason why he survived as long as he did is he came from a very famous family.
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And so Hitler really didn't feel he had the juice to kill him without causing all kinds of other problems.
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So he let him skate for a little while, but he was in prison and he wrote some beautiful stuff.
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One of the most beautiful homilies on marriage that I've ever read is from him.
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He was going to get married, but knew what was going to happen to him.
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Um, so he didn't know anything about marriage, um, except, you know, what he had read and what he had thought about and what he had read in scriptures.
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And he writes this beautiful homily because he's supposed to give the sermon at his sister's wedding.
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And so he writes it and it's read at her, at her wedding.
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you know, coming up to April, 1945, Hitler dies in April, 1945, uh, and everything's falling apart.
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And so the Nazis start kind of cleaning up the death camps and they start transferring people.
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And, and Bonhoeffer is supposed to be let free.
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And he gets onto this bus, uh, you know, driven by the Nazis and he's being transferred to where he will be released.
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Well, on the way, the tire goes out and they don't have a spare.
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And so they're sitting on the edge of the road and they got all these prisoners and these, this other bus is coming the other direction.
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So all the prisoners that were there, including Bonhoeffer was supposed to be released, go to this other death camp.
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And now he's sitting there on this death camp, uh, and waiting for death and not, not supposed to be.
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Um, and in that he is preaching Christ to the guy who did all of the experiments on the Jews, you know, freezing them, bringing them up in high altitude until their heads pop.
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All, all the horrible experiments, everything that is now in every hospital in the world, the book about hypothermia and everything else.
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It's the, the, it's, it's the, the number one book on what the human body can do and how you fix thing.
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He released it without Hitler's permission because he thought it was such a gift to the world.
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And he went to prison because Hitler said, we're not trying to save the world.
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As you can imagine, he's in with, I think a French spy, this woman, she was a double agent.
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And they're, so they're in with this cell with Dietrich Bonhoeffer and he's preaching to them.
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And they're just vile with each other in front of him.
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Comes up to a couple of weeks before Hitler is going to kill himself.
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And they come and they're going to execute everybody in that cell.
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And the only reason why we know how Dietrich Bonhoeffer died and when he died is because of the way he acted.
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He went out, they took him out to the woods and they had built a hanging platform.
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And one by one, they brought him up, put the noose around their neck, trap door, they died.
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Caught him down, next one, bring him up, put the noose around their neck, trap door, opens, they die.
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Bonhoeffer, when he comes up, he comes up to the platform and the guy who's putting the noose around his neck,
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he says something like, thank you for your kindness.
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He tightens the noose, pulls the trap door, dead.
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But he remembers that one guy and remembers that was Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
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I don't know if he knew who Dietrich Bonhoeffer was at the time, but he knew him because of that thank you.
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What is the difference between when you confront evil, when you see evil?
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I mean, Dietrich Bonhoeffer is the guy who said, silence in the face of evil is evil itself.
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What is the difference between that and Thomas Jefferson saying, rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God?
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Do you as a Christian have a responsibility to kill Hitler if you had the opportunity with not baby Hitler?
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You're seeing this death machine and you've tried everything you can to stop it.
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Do you have a responsibility as a Christian to stop the evil?
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I think silence in the face of evil is evil itself.
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You know, for evil to happen, it'll happen when good men do nothing.
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But we have a responsibility to do everything Christ-like that we can first.
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But you get into this place to where, you know, woe unto those who call evil good and good evil.
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Everybody's calling everybody a fascist or Hitler.
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Or we will wind up calling good evil and evil good.
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A Christian giant and a man who fought real evil and wrestled with it.
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So, Stu, why wouldn't you want a digital ID issued by the state?
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You know, you can always trust the government to have your best interests at heart, unlike
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And, you know, so I think I would take one immediately.
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But are there some people that are resisting this?
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Well, there's some that say that, you know, this is the beginning of an all-seeing, all-knowing
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And the next thing you know, they control everything.
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It is weird, too, because is that even speculation?
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Like, isn't this what, like, for example, China is already doing?
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And Europe, they're trying to get it in, and they talk about it openly, that this is
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The next thing, you get the digital ID as the first thing.
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It will give you access to the hospitals or not access to the hospitals.
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Um, it will, uh, allow you to buy things or not buy things.
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It'll allow you to access online or not access online.
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We're not, because they know Americans are not going to go for that.
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Um, and they've been trying to remember, that's what a lot of people said.
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COVID really, the real thing on COVID was really all about was digital ID.
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Now, because Americans aren't for it, the good, good, good, good, good, good people at
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Now, at the TSA checkpoints in more than 250 airports all across the U.S., you can present
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your digital ID at TSA checkpoints and get right onto that plane.
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Imagine it allows you to create and store an ID in an Apple wallet using your U.S. passport.
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The Apple digital ID acceptance will begin to roll out at TSA checkpoints for domestic travel
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in over 250 airports across the U.S., the U.S.A.
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Apple notes it's not a replacement for your physical passport, and you can't use it yet
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for international travel or border crossings, but you can store everything digitally in
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I can already pay for almost everything with that wallet.
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Now, I can use it as an official government ID.
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I mean, it does sort of sound appealing, doesn't it?
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When I get on a plane, you know, I'm using that as my key.
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You know, you have cars now where your phone is your key.
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You have, you can store all sorts of credit cards.
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I mean, what's the argument to the average person that this is some bad thing?
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Now, Apple's pretty good with security, actually.
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But they are the best at digital, at, you know, security.
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And I have to tell you, when you start putting everything, all records, all passports, all,
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it is your one universal key, and it's tied directly to online, where it's tracking everything, everywhere you go, every dollar you spent.
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I mean, how much clearer do you have to be where you can't go anywhere, you can't buy anything unless you have the mark?
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Well, I'm not saying Apple is coming up with the mark of the beast.
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But this is the technology that sure kind of fits it.
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Do you know why the Germans could round up so many Jews every night?
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I don't know if anybody else remembers this, but, you know, these computers were the size of rooms, and you had punch cards, and you would feed it in, and it would store the information on the punch card.
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And so you could ask it anything on a punch card, you'd type it out, and it would punch out whatever, and you'd feed it in the computer, and it would feed out another punch card, and then you'd translate it.
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They put everything onto these punch cards, where everybody lived, who was related to whom, et cetera, et cetera.
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So they could go in the afternoon and go, we've got to clear out another 20,000.
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Feed it into IBM, punch card it out, and you round everybody up.
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There wouldn't be a Jew alive on the planet if we had digital IDs.
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Yeah, and it really, it does sort of rest on your belief we don't cross those lines, right?
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That our government doesn't become Nazi Germany, and again, everybody who has faced a government like that has thought about, oh, gosh, our government won't do this.
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We were on the air saying, like, in, what, February.
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Am I surprised they're welding people into their houses?
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We're like, there's no way you could even help us stay in our own houses.
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But when it happened in Italy, I remember being like, oh my...
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We share a lot of what I thought, a general understanding.
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Watching the map, you know, on TV of Italy as it got more and more red and circles started popping up all over and they're getting all these cases.
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And I'm thinking to myself, they're actually making people stay in their houses?
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And there was never a point where I was not able to leave my house.
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But there were lots of restrictions on where I could go.
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I know people not in Texas and other places could not leave their house.
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Some people not only took it, cheered it on, and vilified people who wouldn't go along with it.
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Though I do think that when you look back at the overall arc of that period, when you
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don't focus on the, you know, the very fine details of it, what you get is a society that
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It took a while, and it did happen in some states and not others.
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And because of constitutional protections, I think some of that stuff was reversed.
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I'm not saying it's a positive story overall, but I mean, at the end of the day, we didn't
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But they also didn't have total control over everything.
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The difference here, digital ID is the first step to an authoritarian state where they have
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You don't ever want to give people that power ever, ever, ever.
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Tell me one thing that the government has said we're not going to do besides balance the budget.
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Show me one thing they said we're not going to do that they, you know, they haven't done.
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Lots of positive things they said they're going to do and then didn't do them.
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Well, it is a step down a path that you don't want to walk down.
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Especially when, you know, if we were becoming a more and more healthy republic, if we were
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becoming a more and more just republic, a more calm republic, a republic that was starting
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to really realize, you know, I have a real responsibility as a citizen not to burn Minneapolis
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I have a real responsibility as somebody in my party says, I think we should behead them.
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I'm going to stand up and say, no, we shouldn't.
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And I'll lead a campaign to make sure that that person is not, you know, the one that wins
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that election, even if it's my, even if it's my running mate, we're not that nation.
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When you have a nation that is like, you know, I don't know exactly what's going to happen
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You don't want to hand them the tool that just says, oh, by the way, you can buy everything
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now, you know, with your digital ID and it'll all be centralized and you've already signed
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Your dollar is not going to be worth anything soon.
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But I will say, you know, history is littered with examples of people who say they're going
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And when convenience rears its head, they choose the convenience.
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I mean, it happens almost every single time, Glenn.
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There's almost no examples of people who will resist these technologies.
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So that is on the freedom loving side, okay, where you're like, I'm not going to do, I'm
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not going to give my face to anybody, face ID on Apple.
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Um, on the, on the other side, there's almost no example of getting something that can be
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used to control people and having those who are nefarious on either side, not use those
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Eventually they will find a way to use those things.
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Maybe a slight simplification of that conversation, but I know it is, but, uh, but generally
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speaking, we all just kind of went along with it and look how out of control it is now.
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Look how out of control our country is on spying on our own citizens.
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Something 20 years ago, we would have, we would have, we would have marched up to Washington
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to make sure all of those people were standing in front of a judge and going to jail that week.
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We're simultaneously, uh, being watched more than ever before.
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But as you brought up in hour one, we were Thomas Crooks is just on the internet.
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It's like threatening everybody in the government.
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And our government is like, yeah, Mary, we couldn't find anything digitally.
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That's why, I mean, in a time when we distrust our government more and more, that's the last
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thing you do is give them more power and access to everything about you.
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Because one of the things, and maybe we could take a, I know we have to take a break here,
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One of the things I always thought about the most brilliant thing of our founders were
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Like understanding that we weren't going to be perfect and we should set up a system
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that understood that people have selfish motivations at times and that the system will be able
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to understand that and still be able to deliver a great world, right?
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Like, this is why I have no real time for some of the conversations we've had on some
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of the people we've read and talked about who are like, let's just stop AI for five years
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And like, I think he's even abandoned that to some degree as he's developing AI himself.
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But like the idea that we're going to slow this down or stop it and have a conversation,
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And at some point, we just have to understand they're going to.
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We better live in that world, understand that world and try to deal with the real world.
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Because if we just say, okay, well, let's just stop.
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You know, who's not going to stop like bad actors, hacking groups, all these other things.
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And if we base our solution on, well, let's just not do these things, we're going to wind
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And I, you know, the digital idea is probably a small part of that conversation, but I think
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So how do we, knowing that people will choose to have these things on their phone, because
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How are we going to then push back against that and stop these things from going down
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Would you say a prayer for some of my friends like Megyn Kelly?
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Honestly, I have been where they are, and they are, they are under the gun big time.
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Everything that Megyn is saying is being taken out of context by one side or another, and
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And, you know, I know her well enough to know nobody's going to beat her down.
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But just pray for people who do what we do, that we have wisdom, that we see the truth,
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we know the truth, and we have the courage to say the truth.
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And when we're wrong, we have the courage to say we got it wrong.
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But it's getting more and more difficult to do this every day.
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I mean, I'd love it, but pray for Megyn in particular, if you would.
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Do you remember when, like, you know, biblical movies, I mean, they were good in the 50s,
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And all through the 70s and 80s and 90s and, you know, early 2000s, they were horrible.
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And then all of a sudden, they started getting really, really good.
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And we have the guy who portrays David, Michael Iskandor, on with us.
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Was there any time that you thought, oh, and this might, this could, I hope they do it right.
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And then you saw the finished product and you were like, wow, this is good.
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Yeah, I mean, that was, you know, I try to still keep my head down and, you know, it's not finished till it's finished.
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But, you know, I'm just so glad to be hearing the response of how the show is really affecting people.
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Because Goliath is portrayed really as a giant, not just a big guy.
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Well, I'll tell you what, when I, when I first met Martin, I, he, he's a giant in real life.
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I went to, I went to the gym with him one time and I, you know, I knew I'm going to go get, you know, messed up.
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And, and he made the workout for two and a half hours.
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And, uh, he, he, Martin Ford is, is a really dedicated man.
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And, and, um, he just, he, he pushed me to the edge when it came to working out.
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And, and, you know, when it comes to his role with Goliath, he is someone that, um, you know, really just put in all the effort, both physically and emotionally to, to really portray that part, um, as best he can.
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How long did it, how long did it take you to learn how to do the slingshot?
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I heard that, I mean, I heard that you had problem with the sheep, that the sheep were, they were not helpful.
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The sheep, man, well, the sheep, the sheep were actually really interesting.
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I remember when we first started filming, they, uh, they put me in sheep training classes because when I get on set, they have to make sure that I'm not, you know, I'm not going to get attacked by one of the sheep and I'm comfortable around them.
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Um, but the sheep, the first day I show up to this training and the sheep hated me.
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And you'd think that the guy who plays David, you know, would be good with sheep, but it was the exact opposite.
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No, I don't, I don't think that, I don't think that's natural.
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Well, they picked me because I'm good with sheep.
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But, um, but no, I mean, it really, I spent a lot of time with the shepherd and he would give me
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He, he saw that I was having trouble and he said, you know, you should, um, you should
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stick next to me because the sheep, when they see you with the shepherd, they'll know that
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And then he said, I want you to know another thing.
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Um, a bad shepherd is a shepherd who's behind the flock.
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And so you, you're going to be a good shepherd.
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You're going to show them what, you're not going to let them lead you.
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You're going to, you're going to lead them and you're going to be in the front taking
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Um, and, and he's, he's saying this and I'm like, I think, I think I'm getting more than
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Um, but it really helped in, in terms of, you know, understanding who David was as a person,
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um, and, and his relationship to Christ and, um, why, why David was chosen as king.
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Um, is it true that you fasted, um, before the audition?
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No, I, I, well, I sent in the first audition and I was really excited about it.
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You know, one of the, one of these dreams that you don't tell anyone and you don't think
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that's ever going to happen to play David specifically or to be in a, yeah, really
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Um, and cause I was inspired by the chosen and I wanted to, I wanted to like maybe do
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a flashback scene as like a young David or something.
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And then when I, so when I got the audition and they originally said no, I was like, oh,
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you know, that, that would have been, that would have been a good opportunity.
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And then I got another audition and I called my mom and I said, mom, this doesn't happen
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The one thing I need you to do, I need you to fast and I need you to pray.
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And, uh, a week later I was having a lunch with John Irwin and he, you know, everything
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You know, I'm friends with, I went to school with Jim Caviezel and, uh, I can't remember
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what grade he was in, maybe fifth grade, I think.
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But he went into, uh, he went into church and all by himself and he prayed and he made
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Let me, all I want, Lord, is to play you in a movie someday and I will live my life honorably
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to be able to be ready, but I want to play you.
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And so, you know, he told me when Mel called, he was like, yeah, I've been waiting for the
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Um, what do you think it is about the story that, I mean, this is the number one show,
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number one series on, uh, on Amazon, on Amazon prime this year.
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What, what is it about the series that you think is connecting?
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You know, I, I think it's different for everybody.
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I'll tell you for me, the reason why this, this show means a lot to me is because David
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points us to Christ and, and David is a, as a person, he, to me, he's the embodiment
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of what it means to be human and to make mistakes and yet to still find forgiveness.
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Um, but, but he is a man that, that he's known as the man after God's own heart.
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So for people to see that example, to see, to see the man that, that God loved so much
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that Jesus himself was known as the son of David.
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Um, I think that's, what's resonating with people.
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It's, um, it's, it's amazing to me how, um, with an exception of one, the Bible, every
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And then, you know, becomes really, really does one of the worst things I think I've ever
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Um, are you going to play, do you have any idea if, assuming the ratings are there, how
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I mean, we're just trying to get through season two right now in the release.
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Hopefully, you know, pray for us that we can get a season three and then we can keep telling
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Um, I don't know what Erwin and Gunn have in picking up, but I, I pray that we, we tell as
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And I, I think it's important to see both the good and the bad, like you said, to, to
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see this flawed human being, to see someone make mistakes and yet to see them get back
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up and, and repent and ask for forgiveness and find grace in God.
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You, uh, I read someplace that you were a Broadway guy and I thought his career is not
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I mean, you might, I mean, are you prepared to always be David?
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I mean, uh, the guy who's playing Jesus now, Jim Caviezel said, you know, or not, it took
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years before he was allowed to play anything else.
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Um, and I can't remember the guy who's playing Jesus now his whole life.
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Are you prepared to this be you for the rest of your life now and not, you know, going and
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going back and doing other things if, if that's the way it is.
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Um, you know what, God has taken me to so much in my life and I'm, I'm sure he's going
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And if, if, if I'm known as the guy who plays David, I think that's actually a blessing.
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Um, and I, I don't know what God has this in store, but, but I trust him.
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So when that time comes, uh, I'll worry about it then.
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But for now, I'm, I'm having a great time, uh, portraying one of my favorite people in
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I have to just ask you a personal, uh, question, one for me.
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Could you talk her out of it in 30 seconds, please?
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I don't, I don't know if I want to talk her out of it.
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Well, I have time to time for you to go now, uh, Michael, thank you so much.
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Well, episode eight is out, uh, on wonder project on prime.
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If you haven't seen the first season, you really should see the, I mean, it's really,
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It's one of those that I started watching, you know, and, uh, I stopped because I'm like,
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And I think we watched the whole season in like one weekend.
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It's one of those that you just, it's really good.
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