The Glenn Beck Program - Best of the Program ｜ Guest： Mike Chase ｜ 6⧸13⧸19

00:00:00.320 Welcome to the podcast. It is the Glenn Beck Program, along with myself, Stu.

00:00:04.740 Today, we talked about CNN and their declining audience that is at this point basically just cratering.

00:00:10.900 Though I will say, not as much as the cratering of conservative personalities on social media,

00:00:17.780 where they're just cutting off access. David J. Harris is the latest example, cutting his traffic by over 97%.

00:00:24.820 Pat Gray comes in to tell us about the latest danger from Ebola, which again has to do and tie into kind of the immigration debate as well.

00:00:34.840 Mike Chase is a great guest today. He wrote a book called How to Become a Federal Criminal

00:00:39.180 and goes through like all the ways that if the federal government wants to put you in jail, they can't

00:00:44.460 because there are so many crazy laws and they can use these things to come after you

00:00:48.220 and have used these things to come after people all over America over the years.

00:00:52.380 Also, we talk about what is the biggest threat to gay rights?

00:00:57.560 Is it Donald Trump or is it ISIS?

00:01:00.820 Hmm. We'll look at all of that on today's podcast.

00:01:10.380 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

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00:02:23.360 So, CNN.

00:02:25.600 Sad news. Sad news.

00:02:27.040 CNN continues to lose primetime audience and daytime audience.

00:02:33.240 Now, how bad is it?

00:02:35.620 Well, it wasn't a slow news week last week.

00:02:39.620 The president was on an overseas trip.

00:02:43.280 And CNN completely stands alone in the massive audience implosion.

00:02:51.820 I want to compare to CNN, to MSNBC, and to Fox News.

00:02:56.300 Now, listen to this.

00:02:58.180 Primetime viewership compared to the same week last year.

00:03:02.440 Fox News is down 4%.

00:03:04.320 NBC is down 4%.

00:03:07.020 CNN is down 33%.

00:03:11.760 Total day viewership compared to the same week last year.

00:03:16.340 Fox is down 7%.

00:03:18.500 MSNBC is down 5%.

00:03:20.380 MSNBC is down 5%.

00:03:21.220 And CNN is down 21%.

00:03:25.600 Now, that's the good news.

00:03:30.140 Here's the bad news.

00:03:31.760 There's a 12-plus rating.

00:03:33.660 And what I just gave you was 12-plus, which means, or it's actually 2-plus, which means everybody 2 years old to death.

00:03:42.320 That's the 2-plus number.

00:03:44.440 And the money is made $25.54.

00:03:47.660 So if you're between the ages of 25 and 54, that's where everybody places their ad dollars.

00:03:55.080 Okay?

00:03:56.080 It's really important.

00:03:57.920 That's called the demo.

00:03:59.160 And it's really, really important.

00:04:00.500 So here's what happened.

00:04:05.400 And we went back and checked because we want to make sure that this isn't a typo, right?

00:04:13.860 Primetime demo viewership compared to the same week last year.

00:04:18.620 Fox News is down 25%.

00:04:21.440 NBC, MSNBC, is down 32%.

00:04:25.600 CNN is down 55%.

00:04:30.620 This is an absolute implosion of a network.

00:04:36.520 Now, what you're seeing, Fox News down 25%, MSNBC down 32%.

00:04:40.720 This is just because the younger people are just not tuning into television.

00:04:44.940 So you have the implosion of the network system happening.

00:04:50.640 At the same time, you have CNN just killing itself.

00:04:56.060 I mean, we're watching a suicide every time you turn on CNN, which, well, I mean, if they commit suicide and nobody's watching, does it really happen?

00:05:05.960 CNN is a total outlier now in this audience collapse.

00:05:11.200 The erosion that you're seeing at Fox and MSNBC is just really the end of this network.

00:05:23.700 The cable news average audience, adult 2554, Fox News, came in at 341,000 total day, which means everybody watching during the day, is 213,000.

00:05:39.440 And they're number one, MSNBC prime time is 215,000.

00:05:45.620 So that's almost 100 and well, it's 130,000 lower than Fox total day, 100,000 lower than Fox 113,000.

00:05:56.540 So you think that the media has this big, you know, oh, my gosh, NBC, if they got on NBC, well, then, you know, she, we better pay attention to it.

00:06:05.880 So, you know, I had better ratings than this on CNN headline news, 113,000.

00:06:16.580 I think when we started, we had what, 78,000.

00:06:19.780 Do you remember, Stu?

00:06:20.600 And it was like nobody was watching.

00:06:22.500 Yeah, I think it was even under 150.

00:06:24.780 What'd you say?

00:06:25.380 I think it was even lower than that when we started.

00:06:27.840 Was it?

00:06:28.620 Yeah.

00:06:30.460 It was just like, there was like nobody watching and everybody knew it.

00:06:34.920 We knew it that nobody was watching and these ratings would come out.

00:06:38.860 A hundred and thirteen thousand people.

00:06:41.700 That's not even worth mentioning.

00:06:44.220 That's like, that's like basing our entire life and our entire broadcast day on what happened on the con on the cartoon network at 3 a.m.

00:06:53.960 Yeah, I mean, really, if you think about it, it's like CNN headline news was so desperate with numbers like that.

00:06:59.860 They put you on like that.

00:07:01.680 They were actually like, you know, let's just try on going back.

00:07:04.900 I don't know.

00:07:05.940 We got to try something.

00:07:07.620 Yeah.

00:07:08.620 So one hundred and thirteen thousand.

00:07:11.260 But that's not that's not that's MSNBC.

00:07:15.920 CNN prime time is one hundred and seventy eight thousand.

00:07:20.840 Now, every time you pay your cable bill, you're subsidizing CNN.

00:07:29.340 Every time you pay your cable bill, you're giving them a buttload of money.

00:07:36.120 Because they negotiated a really sweet deal when they had ratings and people needed them.

00:07:42.740 And so they get a percentage of everything that you spend on cable.

00:07:47.520 You want to crush CNN?

00:07:49.260 Here's your boycott for you.

00:07:50.900 Cut the cable.

00:07:52.900 Cut cable.

00:07:55.080 Now, that's also going to hurt Fox.

00:07:57.680 But Fox has Fox at least has a chance of standing on its own.

00:08:04.220 CNN doesn't.

00:08:05.780 You cut you start cutting cable and you start getting rid of cable in your house, which is happening.

00:08:11.300 They're not going to be able to afford to stay on the air.

00:08:14.920 This is a dead corporation.

00:08:19.360 They've killed it.

00:08:20.460 They've absolutely killed CNN.

00:08:23.360 I mean, I understand the idea.

00:08:24.780 The problem with it, though, of course, is if you were to leave cable and you didn't have Fox anymore, there'd be no place to be able to get good conservative commentary.

00:08:32.820 Like, there wouldn't be a location.

00:08:34.160 No, there would be.

00:08:34.640 No, there would be.

00:08:36.740 You just go to blazetv.com, blazetv.com slash Glenn.

00:08:42.000 You enter in free speech.

00:08:45.620 And I think today you can still get 30% off.

00:08:50.480 So I just.

00:08:51.420 I don't know.

00:08:51.740 I'm not sure if that's still active.

00:08:52.940 It's either use free speech or Glenn.

00:08:54.460 See which one works.

00:08:55.980 So every time I every time I don't talk about it, free speech is available, even though I've been told it wasn't available.

00:09:03.540 Then when I do talk about it, you don't know if it's available.

00:09:06.620 Yeah.

00:09:06.740 Yesterday was still like I was told it was not going to be available, but then it was still on the Web site.

00:09:10.560 So I said it anyway today.

00:09:12.860 Is it still on the Web site?

00:09:13.880 I don't see it on the front.

00:09:14.840 So I don't know.

00:09:15.280 Maybe it is.

00:09:15.760 Maybe it is.

00:09:16.360 Give it a promo code. 0.94

00:09:18.100 Yeah.

00:09:18.560 Give it a whirl.

00:09:19.260 Give it a whirl.

00:09:19.960 I mean, maybe we were incompetent in, you know, shutting that thing down.

00:09:23.900 I don't know.

00:09:24.840 But give it a whirl.

00:09:25.680 Free speech.

00:09:26.300 Save 30 percent.

00:09:27.300 Use the promo code.

00:09:28.740 What is it?

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00:09:32.240 And you will save.

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00:09:35.460 So join us because it's important.

00:09:39.080 And here's why it's important.

00:09:40.900 The only time that industries ask for more regulation is when there are in a death spiral.

00:09:49.420 The cable news industry is now in a death spiral.

00:09:54.260 So they're going to reach out to the government.

00:09:56.800 And most likely, especially if the Democrats win, they'll get special treatment.

00:10:01.760 They'll get some sort of special breaks or whatever.

00:10:05.400 And you'll notice also that the CNNs of the world are asking for regulation of the Internet.

00:10:14.500 Now it's now it's the cable providers that want protection from the Internet because the Internet is getting too strong.

00:10:25.480 And the Internet is putting all of these these programs out of business and all of these networks out of business because it's the new way.

00:10:34.940 It's not they're not going to change it.

00:10:36.700 All you're going to do is start adding Soviet style restrictions and you'll end up with a Soviet Union. 0.73

00:10:43.340 You'll end up with a broken system to where you go someplace else, some other country.

00:10:47.640 And you're like, man, we are so far behind.

00:10:51.100 What what is this?

00:10:53.320 That's what happens right now.

00:10:55.760 Now, at the same time, Silicon Valley is doing what they're purging the voices of conservatives because they are setting up their empire.

00:11:07.380 They're setting up exactly what they're going to do when they rule the world and they already rule the world.

00:11:15.340 Cable news and the American people are just starting to catch up.

00:11:19.140 Forget about what's on CNN.

00:11:20.780 Nobody is watching it.

00:11:22.740 So every time you hear somebody talk about what was on CNN last night, you can either enjoy it for the popcorn that it is, or you can say not important.

00:11:33.860 I mean, it could be fun to talk about it, but it's really not important because literally no one is watching anymore.

00:11:44.940 Now, I want to take a break and I want to come back and go back to what the Internet is doing and the world that they're setting up.

00:11:52.740 Right now, what is the world that they're setting up?

00:11:55.220 Because they're not done.

00:11:57.080 They purged more voices last night.

00:11:59.700 So who was purged yesterday?

00:12:02.340 By the way, is David Duke still up?

00:12:05.220 Is Richard Spencer still up?

00:12:07.300 Is he cool?

00:12:09.000 Because other voices were purged.

00:12:11.060 Their voices are still on.

00:12:12.880 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

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00:12:34.920 So who did they ban yesterday?

00:12:36.980 Well, so this is an amazing, I mean, development.

00:12:41.080 David J. Harris Jr., who's been on the program before, prominent black conservative, big, you know, big, big social media personality.

00:12:51.180 And so, you know, he wasn't banned, Glenn.

00:12:55.640 That's important for you to understand.

00:12:57.700 He was not banned.

00:12:58.320 Sure, okay.

00:12:58.800 That is way too extreme.

00:13:01.640 They wouldn't do something like that.

00:13:04.280 No, no, no.

00:13:05.240 They've looked at the damage to the community over at Facebook, and they've seen that David apparently has violated this.

00:13:15.000 So it's...

00:13:15.920 No, wait, wait, wait.

00:13:16.360 He violated the community.

00:13:18.420 So he didn't violate any of the standards or the guidelines.

00:13:21.440 No.

00:13:21.800 He just hurt the community.

00:13:23.280 He hurt the community, I think.

00:13:24.860 And so they've decided to say that he, because he has, he posted some fake news stories, that they've just changed a couple of things about his page.

00:13:35.400 And they're minor.

00:13:36.100 I don't know if it's color scheme, you know, maybe font size.

00:13:42.860 Right.

00:13:43.260 Little things like that.

00:13:44.520 And a couple of other minor things that might be noticeable.

00:13:47.640 For example, they've, you know, demonetized him, so he can't make, you know, any money off of the page, which, you know, is his main source of income, you know.

00:13:56.380 Sure, sure, sure, sure.

00:13:57.120 But other than that, the only other thing they've done is drop his traffic by 97%.

00:14:02.280 And that's just, look, that's a minor thing.

00:14:05.680 I mean, if you can't get by with 3% of the traffic that you've built over a long period of creating content for Facebook for free that they've profited off of,

00:14:15.640 I mean, if he can't handle that, what can you handle?

00:14:19.540 Can we find an attorney that can tell me how Facebook isn't being sued for this?

00:14:24.400 I don't understand.

00:14:24.880 They are destroying business after business after business.

00:14:28.900 And it's not just conservative voices.

00:14:30.640 It's actual businesses.

00:14:32.580 They just put them out of business.

00:14:34.620 Yeah.

00:14:34.880 And I don't think, you know, it's necessarily just, like, David isn't even the perfect candidate for this because David is a guy who built his following completely organically.

00:14:45.520 Like, he never put any money into ads or anything like that.

00:14:48.700 There are companies that paid Facebook millions of dollars to place ads to get an audience.

00:14:54.460 And now Facebook is saying they can't reach the audience.

00:14:57.160 How they're not getting sued over things like this, I cannot understand.

00:15:01.240 And maybe they will be.

00:15:02.260 We know from our own experience that we've been demonetized.

00:15:07.620 We've also had our reach greatly diminished.

00:15:11.000 Just recently, the blaze has had their reach.

00:15:14.180 So I build up, what, two and a half million subscribers or followers of Facebook because Facebook invites me to.

00:15:21.360 Facebook shows me how to do it.

00:15:24.360 You know, they bring me into their headquarters.

00:15:26.720 They talk about things.

00:15:27.980 They say, we really want you to be a partner.

00:15:29.920 So we invest our time and our money and our talent to be able to grow that audience.

00:15:34.940 And then they shut us off from that audience.

00:15:37.880 So they have the two million people that some of them may not have been using Facebook when they first joined.

00:15:45.660 We got them to join Facebook.

00:15:47.460 And now they cut us off of the people who say, I'm here because I want to know this opinion.

00:15:53.580 Yeah, it's absolutely amazing.

00:15:55.160 David posted a video of this, and you can see the traffic numbers.

00:16:00.500 Let's play a little bit of this, and we'll talk you through it as there's some of its visual.

00:16:03.980 But if you happen to be watching, the graph is absolutely amazing.

00:16:07.160 Listen.

00:16:08.980 This is my page reach in the millions.

00:16:11.900 You see, this is 2.5 million, and this is in one day.

00:16:16.940 Okay?

00:16:17.300 This is one day.

00:16:18.480 This is April 30th, 2 million, 1.2 million.

00:16:23.920 So you can see it goes up from 1 million to 2 million.

00:16:27.680 Kind of bouncing around there.

00:16:28.780 1 million to 2.1 million.

00:16:31.660 2.2 million.

00:16:32.880 And then look at this, folks.

00:16:34.220 This just has me beside myself.

00:16:36.720 2.7 million, May 13th, 14th.

00:16:41.000 Look at this drop.

00:16:43.220 I swear.

00:16:44.240 It's enough to make – it makes me sick to my stomach.

00:16:49.460 Down to about 100,000.

00:16:51.080 Oh, my gosh.

00:16:51.720 Destroying my reach.

00:16:56.060 From 2.7 million to about – I think the low was 85,000.

00:17:01.000 From 2.7 million.

00:17:03.180 And again, so the question would be, okay, well, what is he doing?

00:17:06.100 Is he posting KKK material? 0.89

00:17:08.520 Would be strange for a black conservative to post KKK material.

00:17:12.200 But is that what happened? 0.94

00:17:13.780 No.

00:17:14.220 He got dinged because he was posting fake news.

00:17:18.000 The fake news he posted was a video from CNN where they were interviewing the founder of the Weather Channel who's skeptical of global warming.

00:17:28.840 So because he posted a CNN interview about global warming in a skeptical way, which wasn't – he wasn't even – it wasn't even a video of him.

00:17:39.320 It was a video of another person, an interview on CNN.

00:17:42.500 And he got dinged for fake news and now has lost 97% of his audience basically overnight.

00:17:49.000 So he hasn't – no, he hasn't really done – they haven't done anything wrong.

00:17:55.180 They have moved him to a new village where conservatives have their voices heard and everything is sunshine and lollipops.

00:18:07.240 And it's just in a place that you can't go or find.

00:18:10.760 But they're all just being put onto a train and they're brought to this wonderful little village where they can speak and their people can hear them.

00:18:19.460 And it's wonderful.

00:18:20.860 It's wonderful.

00:18:22.060 It's amazing because, I mean, a lot of times this goes to sort of constitutional grounds and free speech grounds.

00:18:27.440 And there are arguments we've had about that.

00:18:29.480 We have something coming up in the next few weeks on this going on TV.

00:18:32.080 And there are issues there that surround that because of the government protections they get.

00:18:35.640 That being said, though, I think really the more interesting way to go after this is business.

00:18:40.720 I mean, there is no way they should be able to be running a business this way.

00:18:45.060 And we should continue to go back to them and hand over all of our free stuff.

00:18:48.880 Like, we're creating it.

00:18:49.860 We're handing it over to them.

00:18:50.840 And then on a whim with no explanation and no rational reason to do something, they'll just cut an audience by 97%.

00:18:58.380 And it's not just David J. Harris Jr.

00:19:00.960 It's not just us.

00:19:01.820 It's companies that have gone literally out of business because of these changes after they've spent millions of dollars with Facebook to get the audience and expecting to reach it, obviously.

00:19:13.160 And then Facebook just pulls the rug right out from under them.

00:19:15.020 It's amazing.

00:19:20.480 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program.

00:19:22.960 So Mike Chase is a white-collar criminal defense lawyer.

00:19:36.820 And by night, he's the legal humorist behind A Crime a Day, the Twitter feed, where he offers a daily dose of extensive research into the curious, intriguing, and crazy, expensive criminal laws here in the United States.

00:19:54.500 Welcome to the program, Mike Chase, author of How to Become a Federal Criminal.

00:20:00.020 Thanks for having me.

00:20:01.000 Now, Mike, you know, when I first heard, when Stu came to me and said, we have to have Mike on, how to become a federal criminal.

00:20:11.780 And I'm like, no, that's what Antifa, that's what all of these far-left organizations are doing.

00:20:18.420 I don't think we need to do that, too.

00:20:20.920 And then he explained the book, and I looked at the book, and it's fantastic.

00:20:25.980 We are all federal criminals every day.

00:20:28.680 Oh, yeah. 0.86

00:20:30.120 Yeah, some of us are cheese criminals. 0.99

00:20:32.080 Some of us are, you know, small little donkey criminals. 0.97

00:20:35.580 You know, some of us have whistled on a CB radio.

00:20:38.020 But whatever we've done, the likelihood is that the government could charge us with a federal crime.

00:20:44.820 So the book, I love this.

00:20:46.900 I have to read this verbatim because I love this.

00:20:48.620 You should never, you should never, and I mean never, underestimate the government's power to put you in prison for something as simple as bringing a theatrical chicken or any performing poultry back from Mexico without an up-to-date health certificate.

00:21:04.940 Be careful.

00:21:05.640 Yeah, no, it's totally true.

00:21:08.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:09.100 And this is, we're not just talking about dramatic poultry, right?

00:21:11.860 I mean, poultry that have a great sense of drama.

00:21:14.840 We're talking about professional performing poultry.

00:21:18.540 But if you come back, you know, you have your...

00:21:20.960 Wait, wait, wait.

00:21:21.280 I have to, wait, wait, wait.

00:21:23.940 You have to define what a theatrical chicken or performing poultry really is.

00:21:30.300 Where did this come from?

00:21:31.900 Yeah, well, that's the good question, right?

00:21:33.940 Because we all know that Article I, Section I of the Constitution says that Congress and Congress alone is supposed to make the law.

00:21:40.540 But somewhere along the line, they decided we're better at, you know, bickering and things like that.

00:21:45.120 So they gave that power away to agencies who then, agencies, made rules like the one banning performing poultry from coming back.

00:21:53.160 So you're right.

00:21:53.980 It would be nice to have a definition of performing poultry.

00:21:56.880 But that's sort of where everybody went home for the day.

00:21:59.420 And they just said, look, if it's performing poultry.

00:22:01.780 So really, it's the government that decides if your chicken is a performing chicken or if he's just an amateur.

00:22:08.480 It's unbelievable.

00:22:11.200 I will say, your book is scary because I happen to be a man who likes to, you know, when you're going by a bunch of horses, I'm the type of guy who likes to flip off the horses.

00:22:21.120 That's just the type of person I am.

00:22:22.920 I like to make obscene gestures.

00:22:24.420 But it's not, it's not just flipping off the horses, I believe, Stu.

00:22:29.200 Right.

00:22:29.440 It's making an obscene gesture or any objectionable gesture towards a horse.

00:22:35.260 Is it not?

00:22:36.400 Yes.

00:22:36.980 And I will say, as you point out correctly in the book, it is okay to do this to a stationary horse.

00:22:43.040 Right.

00:22:43.920 However, a passing horse, it goes off the rails.

00:22:47.800 What I really find fascinating about this one, because this is a real law that is in effect, and you detail it in the book, is that they actually did revisit it.

00:22:57.200 I feel like a lot of these laws, like, okay, they passed them in, like, 1820, and they're ridiculous, and they just never repealed them.

00:23:02.800 They actually revisited it in the 1980s to try to figure out what type of gesture was allowed.

00:23:08.680 How is this happening?

00:23:09.700 It happens all the time, and because this happens through the regulatory process, we don't always get a lot of this stuff happening in the public debate.

00:23:17.740 But you're right.

00:23:18.340 There was a time when the National Park Service said, all right, look, no unreasonable gestures to horses, okay?

00:23:23.100 No unreasonable gestures.

00:23:24.380 We've got to put an end to the passing horses.

00:23:26.560 Right.

00:23:26.980 The passing horses, right.

00:23:28.100 To the insidious practice of unreasonable gestures to passing horses.

00:23:31.940 But then some guy somewhere came to him and said, hey, look, guys, I need a little more definition on that, because I've got to know what kind of gestures I can make to a horse.

00:23:40.480 And so they said, all right, how about this?

00:23:42.440 Under the circumstances, if it's unreasonable.

00:23:44.920 And he was like, all right, I can work with that.

00:23:47.360 And so anyway, that's where we are with the federal law.

00:23:50.720 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:23:54.400 What does this have to do with anything?

00:23:58.020 What I really want to know.

00:24:00.740 In 1985, a horse doesn't care if you flip it off.

00:24:07.100 It really doesn't.

00:24:08.520 It'll stomp you to death if it cared. 1.00

00:24:11.560 How is this even?

00:24:13.240 How did somebody come to the point where, like, no, I need a little bit more definition?

00:24:16.900 In 1980s.

00:24:18.440 Look, Glenn, you say a horse doesn't care if you flip them off.

00:24:21.300 I guess that depends on the horse, okay?

00:24:22.740 There are sensitive horses out there, so don't step on their feelings, all right?

00:24:26.660 But the truth is that probably what they were going for is don't make a gesture that's going

00:24:33.100 to spook a horse and cause some sort of harm or damage.

00:24:36.840 But our government, which is required to make laws that govern all of us, isn't so good at it.

00:24:42.240 And so they use these broad, generalized terms.

00:24:45.200 And so, yeah, they say unreasonable gesture.

00:24:47.680 They don't say a gesture that can spook a horse.

00:24:49.640 They just say unreasonable gesture.

00:24:51.120 So I think if you flip them off, I think if you do the chin flick, I think if you moon

00:24:56.820 a horse, you're potentially going to find yourself on the other side of an indictment.

00:25:01.260 And so I go through that in illustrated fashion in how to become a federal criminal so that

00:25:05.380 everybody can learn how to do that.

00:25:07.580 So there are other things, you know, you can't draw the Pentagon.

00:25:11.620 Mm-hmm.

00:25:13.660 Yeah.

00:25:14.260 No, no, you can't just say yes.

00:25:15.760 Now, I understand this maybe in the 1940s, you know, before satellites and everything

00:25:22.820 else, but you can't draw the Pentagon?

00:25:27.100 Yeah, and that's the way the regulation says it is that you can't make a sketch, photograph,

00:25:33.660 drawing, or any other depiction of the Pentagon.

00:25:36.260 To me, if you're at home and you're just drawing geometric shapes and you happen to, you know,

00:25:41.400 do a five-sided one, you're potentially running afoul of this law.

00:25:44.940 Now, probably it's for somebody who's on property at the Pentagon, but if the government comes

00:25:51.380 to your house and they're really looking for something to ding you on and they see some

00:25:55.580 Pentagons drawn around, you might be looking at some charges added on to your indictment.

00:26:00.660 Yeah.

00:26:01.240 Wait a minute.

00:26:01.800 I know I've seen pictures of the Pentagon.

00:26:05.120 I know I've seen video of the Pentagon.

00:26:08.040 I know they sell pictures of the Pentagon.

00:26:11.240 Mm-hmm.

00:26:11.580 Yep, and that speaks to a much bigger problem, which is the fact that, look, back in the

00:26:17.000 80s, the DOJ tried to count every federal crime on the books.

00:26:19.900 They spent two years at it, and when they came back, they said, yeah, we give up.

00:26:24.020 It's way too many.

00:26:25.040 We have no idea.

00:26:25.980 So we, the government, don't know how many there are.

00:26:28.920 Estimates say that there may be as many as 300,000 or more federal crimes on the books.

00:26:33.660 And so you're right.

00:26:34.260 Are there photos of the Pentagon and drawings of the Pentagon out there?

00:26:38.620 Absolutely.

00:26:39.360 And is this law enforced and used?

00:26:41.820 Generally not.

00:26:42.960 But these laws lurk in the background and govern all of us, and you potentially could get charged

00:26:48.520 with one, even if it's been 50, 100 years since the statute's ever been used.

00:26:53.840 Right.

00:26:54.460 So it's not really, Mike, it's not the problem.

00:26:56.780 I mean, because we can laugh at these, and we can understand, you know, maybe the horse,

00:27:01.640 you know, thing and the Pentagon thing, you know, a reasonable person will say, well, they're

00:27:07.040 trying to make sure that nobody in the Pentagon is saying, I'm not taking pictures, but they're

00:27:11.280 sketching something that is top secret.

00:27:14.440 Would you agree that that's probably what they were trying to avoid?

00:27:18.360 Yeah, for sure.

00:27:19.420 A lot of these rules have some sort of, you know, meritorious backdrop.

00:27:24.000 Of course, I'm not so sure that the ban on selling Swiss cheese without enough holes makes

00:27:29.900 a whole heck of a lot of sense, or selling a fruit cocktail with less than 2% cherries

00:27:34.340 necessarily needs to be prosecuted as a crime.

00:27:38.160 But you're right.

00:27:39.380 I mean, a lot of these rules come from a good place, but because Congress has outsourced

00:27:45.420 all of its lawmaking authority, essentially, to agency bureaucrats, they've made these thousands

00:27:51.420 or hundreds of thousands of rules with not enough definition for us to all abide by them

00:27:57.020 and created crimes in the process.

00:28:00.140 Right.

00:28:00.700 So that is the problem, is that as our government has grown, grown more powerful, grown in size,

00:28:06.760 and grown in hostility towards one group or another, whether it, you know, is, you know,

00:28:13.080 the repeat of the 1950s and, you know, Martin Luther King not being able to buy a gun because

00:28:21.700 his local sheriff said, no, it's for your own safety, when we know that wasn't true, they

00:28:26.940 can, a powerful government that wants to put you away for some reason can find something

00:28:33.260 to put you away for.

00:28:35.120 Yeah, that's absolutely right.

00:28:36.740 And remember, the place our minds always tend to go on this is, well, how many people are

00:28:40.600 actually in prison for this?

00:28:41.820 Or come on, some of these laws are plainly unconstitutional.

00:28:44.520 But the thing for everybody to remember, and I go through this in How to Become a Federal

00:28:47.860 Criminal, which is long before you get acquitted at trial, long before the Supreme Court holds

00:28:53.060 that you were unconstitutionally prosecuted for, you know, flipping off a horse on public

00:28:57.800 land, or sorry, a passing horse on public land, long before any of that happens, you know,

00:29:02.620 these countless laws give the government the authority to detain you, to arrest you, to go

00:29:08.360 into your home, seize your property, and put you into the criminal justice system and obligate 0.94

00:29:12.920 you to defend yourself before you may wind your way all the way up to the Supreme Court

00:29:17.780 to get acquitted.

00:29:19.020 I mean, we heard about the case of this guy, John Yates, a few years back.

00:29:21.940 He got prosecuted for throwing a few undersized red grouper overboard, and he had to go all

00:29:27.640 the way to the Supreme Court to be told that what he did wasn't a federal crime.

00:29:30.860 And by the end of that process, you may have been imprisoned, you may have lost all of

00:29:34.940 your money and gone indigent in the process of defending yourself.

00:29:37.900 It also seems to open you up to, you know, they can use one of these laws to go in, search

00:29:43.080 your home, and find out something else that they want to know that they have no right of

00:29:47.040 knowing.

00:29:47.440 I mean, it seems like it would open it up to the, you know, they're going to be able

00:29:50.920 to go and get your access to your data, they're going to be able to go in and search your

00:29:55.260 home, and all of these things that normally they wouldn't be able to do because you're

00:29:58.340 flipping off too many horses.

00:29:59.320 Right, well, let me give you a real life, let me pause for a second, and give you a

00:30:04.460 real life example of this, and I'd love to hear your opinion on this, Mike, because as

00:30:08.980 a businessman, it's why what you've written really concerns me.

00:30:13.300 It's really funny.

00:30:14.500 So let me go here.

00:30:17.220 We are, we're talking about these crazy laws that are currently on the books that you can

00:30:24.920 get nailed for with Mike Chase, and Mike, let's look at things like, for instance, the tea

00:30:30.920 party, or the master cake shop.

00:30:35.900 We know that the, we know that the city with the master cake shop, they have, they were,

00:30:43.400 they were part of this.

00:30:45.620 They wanted this guy to have to be forced to make wedding cakes.

00:30:50.860 He felt it was unconstitutional.

00:30:53.640 The, he brings it to the Supreme Court.

00:30:55.740 The Supreme Court basically says, well, if you're going to do it, here's how you do it.

00:30:59.540 He's just been sued again.

00:31:01.540 And I thought to myself, this is the third time.

00:31:03.540 How is this guy affording it?

00:31:05.140 But if the, if the police or the state wanted to make sure that they taught this guy a lesson,

00:31:13.300 they could go in on some bakery related thing that is really old, that nobody knows, and

00:31:18.900 says, you're in violation of this, and bleed the guy dry.

00:31:22.980 He doesn't have a chance of survival, right?

00:31:26.360 You're, you're, you're exactly right about that.

00:31:28.260 And I have a whole chapter in, in how to become a federal criminal about food.

00:31:32.180 So how to become a federal criminal with food.

00:31:34.340 And the truth is that the FDA and the USDA regulate all kinds of food, food crimes, and

00:31:39.980 they can be so minor.

00:31:41.280 I mean, in fact, a very similar situation is not that many years ago, there was a bakery

00:31:46.460 up in New England that listed in sort of cute fashion.

00:31:51.040 They listed love as an ingredient in their granola.

00:31:53.960 Well, the FDA sent them a letter and said, hey, your products are misbranded because love

00:31:59.460 is not anything we know anything about.

00:32:01.460 It is not an ingredient we've ever heard of.

00:32:03.520 And so your food is misbranded.

00:32:05.460 And the truth is that becomes a federal crime.

00:32:08.200 So yeah, for, for the master cake shop or for anybody else in that industry, if, if they're

00:32:12.760 a political opponent of somebody, uh, you could go in and you conduct an investigation, you're

00:32:18.960 going to find some violation of something because, because the federal government has so far exceeded

00:32:23.740 its, it's, uh, limited powers set forth in the constitution that there are hundreds of

00:32:28.900 thousands of crimes and potentially thousands of regulations that a person could have violated

00:32:33.940 and they'd be able to find something the harder they look for sure.

00:32:37.320 And tea party members, tea party members know this because the IRS investigated so many

00:32:43.400 leaders of the tea party and they came up with nothing, but they had to go through all

00:32:49.060 this, all this, you know, federal regulation to be able to, um, clear their name.

00:32:55.600 It costs them a buttload of time and money.

00:32:58.480 They know because just trying to get a 501 C three or C four, whatever it is, uh, for many

00:33:05.280 tea parties, they couldn't get it done because of the red tape.

00:33:08.560 And it was because they were going against somebody in the government.

00:33:11.960 So we've never faced this as Americans before we've never seen this.

00:33:17.420 The black Americans saw this, uh, in the Jim Crow era, but we haven't faced this as white 0.92

00:33:24.100 America and it's coming to all Americans. 0.84

00:33:27.580 If we're not, if we don't wake up.

00:33:30.280 No, no, for sure.

00:33:31.500 And last year I wrote an op-ed in the wall street journal called lock her up, lock him up.

00:33:36.320 They could lock you up about that exact point, which is this, this, this picking the unpopular

00:33:41.020 person, the politically unpopular or whoever, and, and using this coercive weight of literally

00:33:47.260 countless federal crimes, federal laws and regulations, um, to, to, to carry out essentially

00:33:53.580 vindictive purposes.

00:33:55.220 Um, that is the problem that it creates.

00:33:57.060 It's, it's not that we're arguing that regulation is inherently good or inherently bad.

00:34:02.180 If you go through the book, you will see that every aspect of modern American life is regulated

00:34:07.480 in such a way that it gives the government immense power, um, for, for politically unpopular

00:34:12.740 people to be prosecuted.

00:34:14.440 I'll give you one example that I go through in the book, which is if you leave the country

00:34:19.320 with more than $25 worth of nickels in your pocket, that's a federal crime.

00:34:24.000 Okay.

00:34:24.520 And I'll show you, I show you how to do that.

00:34:26.240 I mean, you're going to need some pants with some good pockets and a nice dirty belt.

00:34:29.660 But the truth is that if you leave the country with more than $25 worth of nickels, you've

00:34:34.480 committed a federal crime and face up to five years in prison.

00:34:37.600 It's just one example of the government requiring all kinds of reporting and all kinds of information

00:34:44.180 from you, not that you've harmed anybody or, or actually created any kind of injury to

00:34:48.220 anybody, but because the government so wants information that if you don't give that information

00:34:52.800 to them, you could find yourself on the other end of an indictment and a potentially

00:34:57.160 boundless investigation.

00:34:58.360 And this is made much, much worse because we have, we've disengaged and separated ourselves

00:35:04.500 from the constitution and the idea of, of blind justice, right?

00:35:10.440 Absolutely.

00:35:11.260 Yeah.

00:35:11.460 No question about it.

00:35:12.380 It is not an even handed system.

00:35:15.740 Well, Mike, thank you so much.

00:35:17.380 The name of the book is how to become a federal criminal.

00:35:20.100 You'll actually laugh really, really hard, uh, all the way through it.

00:35:24.080 Uh, but there's important lessons to be learned in it.

00:35:26.940 How to become a federal criminal, perhaps a book that all of us should have on our shelves.

00:35:32.680 I highly recommend you get it now by Mike chase.

00:35:40.460 The best of the Glenn Beck program.

00:35:42.540 Hey, it's Glenn.

00:35:56.540 And if you like what you hear on the program, you should check out Pat Gray Unleashed.

00:36:00.680 His podcast is available wherever you download your favorite podcast.

00:36:04.280 Well, since it's gay pride month, uh, we thought we would celebrate by talking a little bit

00:36:08.920 about the gay pride that is, is, uh, so prideful and, uh, and, uh, and tell you where we're 0.99

00:36:15.820 headed, uh, as a society.

00:36:17.700 Yin Q is a former dominatrix and educator and practitioner of bondage, discipline, dominance, 0.93

00:36:26.540 submission, and sadomasochism for Yin Q.

00:36:31.060 BDSM has long been a part of her, her understanding, uh, and experience with sexuality.

00:36:37.200 Uh, initially she explored kink as a cabaret performer in college.

00:36:42.340 Uh, today she's based in Brooklyn and she uses her expertise as a platform, as an activist,

00:36:50.080 uh, visible queer Asian American person in the BDSM community to elevate the experiences

00:36:57.140 of marginalized people and perform BDSM rituals with clients as a form of therapy.

00:37:04.880 She also hosts workshop for members of the LGBTQ community.

00:37:08.940 And she's also the creator of the, uh, web series, mercy mistress, which is, uh, co-produced

00:37:15.660 by Margaret Cho.

00:37:17.220 She, um, she just gave an interview, uh, with the Washington, or I'm sorry, with the Huffington

00:37:22.920 post.

00:37:23.800 So we could understand, she wanted to highlight the work, uh, in this underserved community

00:37:30.480 and, um, and understand BDSM's role in exploring and furthering queer pride and how they

00:37:38.920 envision the future of the LGBTQ movement.

00:37:43.720 She says, quote, the ritual work uses BDSM activities as well as sadomasochism, whether

00:37:49.780 it's flogging, spanking, caning, fetish worship to be kind of a cathartic release, or I use it

00:37:57.340 as sort of an arena to work on something one might be going through. 0.95

00:38:01.000 Uh, the individual I'm working with is not looking to get turned on by me and I'm not

00:38:07.000 looking to dominate somebody in the way that they're handing power over to me and manifesting

00:38:11.940 like fantasy play.

00:38:13.780 So her sessions, she says, what I'm actually doing is just offering my skills and services,

00:38:18.540 uh, to be the hand that puts someone into bondage to hold safe space for them, not to prod or

00:38:25.680 poke them.

00:38:26.420 It's more than they would take a flogging for themselves.

00:38:29.960 So they're really going to take a really hard whipping so they can manifest something

00:38:35.280 with the intention that they're trying to get through some kind of struggle, whether it be

00:38:41.060 work related or any other part of their lives where they feel they need that physical whipping,

00:38:45.980 that physical push, much in the way someone might say, run a marathon.

00:38:50.740 Hmm.

00:38:52.080 Okay.

00:38:53.640 Now, as you, uh, unfortunately would have to read all the way through this nonsense, um,

00:39:00.600 the question from the Huffington post was, so you believe embracing kink and other marginalized 0.96

00:39:04.820 identities has the power to move the conversation and experience of pride beyond the white gay

00:39:10.900 cis male, uh, that has dominated the movement up until now.

00:39:15.400 She says, and I quote, I think the corporations, I think the corporations that are fueling the

00:39:24.500 money that goes into pride and the other people getting paid by those corporations need to turn

00:39:32.160 and understand they got over the fence by so many people giving them a hand over it.

00:39:37.140 They didn't achieve gay marriage inequality of queer people in the workplace on their own.

00:39:42.240 It wasn't just the leadership and the corporations.

00:39:46.580 We need to remember how much privilege we attain.

00:39:49.580 And we always have to look to our neighbors and people outside of our spaces to see who

00:39:54.100 else needs a hand up to get in that space. 1.00

00:39:56.260 So we can all be at the party as a community organizer holding events.

00:40:01.300 I got some pushback from some marginalized people because they don't want it to be a token within

00:40:07.720 a space.

00:40:08.720 And I understand that being Asian American and a sex worker, but I also believe there's

00:40:13.980 a responsibility to come forward as a role model and say, I don't want to bring you in

00:40:19.220 as a token.

00:40:19.720 I want to bring you in as a cohost.

00:40:21.720 I feel there is so much money going into pride right now that we must be able to have the

00:40:28.100 time and work available to reach out to those sex workers, to reach out to those people in

00:40:33.420 communities that have long been, uh, have not been uplifted.

00:40:37.220 I was talking to an older gay white man after a pride last year who was really offended and

00:40:44.000 hurt that there were a lot of leather flags with a black stripe showing solidarity with

00:40:50.240 black lives matter.

00:40:51.620 He confided, he confided to me and I listened because he's an ally to black lives matter,

00:40:57.080 but he felt insulted that his own history of what the rainbow flag had meant to him had

00:41:04.280 been changed and mutated in a way that he felt was not giving reference to gay pride.

00:41:11.280 Now, hang on just a second.

00:41:15.080 This is a person in this new community that already feels they're being alienated and their

00:41:22.800 history is being erased and they are being mocked because someone put a leather stripe on

00:41:31.180 the, the, uh, rainbow flag.

00:41:35.260 And so he's now being alienated.

00:41:41.940 She said, I told him that things have to change.

00:41:47.280 Our language has to change.

00:41:50.260 Gee, where have I heard this before?

00:41:54.020 Oh, I remember Michelle Obama.

00:41:55.780 Remember why she was taken off the, uh, campaign trail the first time around?

00:42:00.660 She said this.

00:42:02.200 And Barack knows that we are going to have to make sacrifices.

00:42:05.880 We're going to have to change our conversation.

00:42:08.720 We're going to have to change our traditions, our history.

00:42:11.780 We're going to have to move into a different place.

00:42:14.560 She said, um, uh, that being said, the younger generation is taking up arms to hold up more

00:42:22.460 marginalized folks.

00:42:23.700 And there are plenty of rainbow flags out there.

00:42:25.780 So they're not going away, but we have to look to the artists, the writers, the people

00:42:31.720 who are making films, the activists.

00:42:34.040 I look to artists who are bringing their queerness, their blackness, their BDSM kinkiness to their 0.97

00:42:39.960 artwork and exploding all over the world with it.

00:42:42.820 I look to Margaret Cho and I'm honored to co-executive produce a series with her.

00:42:48.840 I feel like younger people in the community are doing sex work activism, using social media

00:42:54.180 to put messages out there for decriminalization of sex work. 1.00

00:42:57.880 These are the people that we can really learn from.

00:43:01.320 And I feel accountable to.

00:43:04.820 So they are already beginning to eat their own.

00:43:09.580 They're already beginning to mutate into more and more extreme.

00:43:15.080 But how about this one?

00:43:17.380 Meet the powwow dancer smashing gender norms.

00:43:23.340 Nen, Nenus, Nenus, Nenus, Gacy, I don't know.

00:43:27.920 Neno for short is a powwow dancer.

00:43:30.520 Now, powwows are traditional social gatherings in many Native American communities that allow

00:43:36.740 people to come together to celebrate age-old traditions.

00:43:42.120 And nothing says powwow like the fancy dance, the ubiquitous staple of these gatherings.

00:43:48.200 But the dance is strictly gendered.

00:43:52.540 There's one version for men and another for women.

00:43:55.600 But Neno, who loved dancing, the gender confinement of powwows was stifling, the expectation that 1.00

00:44:04.620 men and women could only perform certain dances and wear certain outfits.

00:44:10.660 Now, she identifies as a two-spirit, which is an umbrella term for indigenous peoples from

00:44:16.320 North America to describe their place on a spectrum of genders and sexualities.

00:44:21.080 So, in a bid to break free from the confines of gender norms and represent their gender

00:44:27.600 fluidity, Neno is wearing both male and female regalia.

00:44:33.180 And after three years of no dancing, she's back and dressed to the nines, ready to dance

00:44:39.060 to the big drum.

00:44:41.060 Oh, I've missed the powwow so much, she says.

00:44:45.160 I'm sorry, that's not the way it's printed.

00:44:47.520 I've missed this so much, they say.

00:44:53.480 Remember, it's a two-spirit.

00:44:56.520 They are still processing what their complete two-spirit powwow regalia will look like.

00:45:03.560 And until then, Neno is diverting their energies to community organizing and educating others

00:45:10.700 about her culture.

00:45:12.180 But it's not really educating about her culture, is it?

00:45:14.760 Because she's changing her culture. 1.00

00:45:16.520 This is unrelenting authenticity that makes Neno such a beacon for others.

00:45:22.800 No, she's not being authentic.

00:45:24.380 She might be being authentic to herself, but she's not being authentic to the Native Americans. 0.95

00:45:30.980 Whatever responsibility they inhabit, be it at a powwow or a nationwide pride advisory,

00:45:37.860 they will carve out a space for their most authentic self.

00:45:43.960 The Canadian LGBTQ representation has historically and continues to leave out two-spirit contributions.

00:45:51.540 Neno's plurality of identity.

00:45:54.320 Black, indigenous, Ukrainian, queer, two-spirit, polyamorous, partner, parent, and, I'm not making this up, puppy mom.

00:46:06.440 Somebody, Stu, look up what a puppy mom is. 1.00

00:46:08.940 I don't know.

00:46:09.660 What is that now?

00:46:10.540 Puppy mom?

00:46:11.160 Puppy mom.

00:46:12.480 She is black, indigenous, Ukrainian, queer, two-spirit, polyamorous, partner, parent, and puppy mom.

00:46:21.760 She exists without compromising any of them, which we all love.

00:46:26.540 Isn't that beautiful?

00:46:27.500 I could be wrong on this, but I think maybe what they're saying there is she just has a puppy.

00:46:31.840 It does not seem to be that that's it.

00:46:34.720 Is it?

00:46:35.400 Read it again.

00:46:36.240 I think they're just trying to be cute at the end of that.

00:46:39.280 Did you throw that in the trash?

00:46:40.720 Why are you bending over to?

00:46:41.560 Yeah, I did.

00:46:42.120 It might be she is indigenous, Ukrainian, queer, two-spirit, polyamorous, partner, parent, and puppy mom.

00:46:49.500 Yeah.

00:46:49.760 So it might be that she's a puppy mom.

00:46:51.560 It might be that she believes she's a puppy and a mother of a puppy.

00:46:57.260 She might believe that she had puppies. 0.95

00:46:59.900 I don't know anymore.

00:47:01.600 What I do know is that if she does believe that she's right, she's in her truth, and you shan't question it.

00:47:08.460 Okay, so I'm going to take a quick break, and I'm going to show you why I just shared all of this.

00:47:14.980 Because the culture of the rainbow flag is now being erased.

00:47:20.580 Okay?

00:47:21.340 It's now being changed, and the people behind the rainbow flag aren't happy about it.

00:47:26.500 The puppy mom is now changing her traditions. 1.00

00:47:31.600 And what are we changing, too?

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