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On this episode of Glenn Beck's new show, Glenn sits down with his good friend Pat Rigsby to talk about tariffs, AI, and much, much more! Glenn Beck is a conservative commentator and host of the conservative radio show "The Glenn Beck Show" on Fox News Radio.
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And, you know, I understand a lot of people disagree with my stance on tariffs.
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My, you know, my stance is we voted for the guy.
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Let's not dismantle what he said was the most important thing he was going to do.
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And I know you believe this, but just say it again.
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Just because you vote for someone does not mean you cannot disagree with them.
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I've talked to him for a half an hour one-on-one about how much I disagree with tariffs.
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And I just want to make sure when you're saying it like that, it sort of sounds like
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you're saying, well, we're on board for everything that he does.
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I mean, if he decides tomorrow, he's like, you know what?
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I'm not going to be like, oh, well, we voted for the guy.
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He did tease, though, for many, you know, decades.
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This is not a shock to, if anybody was paying attention, not a shock.
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And during the last campaign, he over and over and over and over and over and over again
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He also said he was going to end regulation and reduce taxes.
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That, to me, is not, you know, hey, let's just renew the Trump cuts that we already have.
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Don't tell me it's a tax cut to extend the current policy.
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But this is so dangerous, the worst thing we could do is slow it down.
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We should be concentrating right now on Congress.
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Because if you think it's bad with the tariffs, as they are, the only thing that will save it
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is cutting the spending, cutting the taxes, and cutting regulations.
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And every day we sit here and argue about what Trump is doing.
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I've had a really passionate conversation about tariffs one-on-one on the phone.
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He's like, Glenn, you make great points, but I just love tariffs.
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That's legitimately what he said after a half an hour.
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Still doing podcasts at 94 years old, by the way.
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I happen to believe the Smoot-Hawley tariffs had more to do with setting off the Great Depression
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Unemployment never reached double digits in any of the 12 months that followed the crash
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But it hit double digits within six months of passage of Smoot-Hawley and stayed there for
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When you set off a trade war, like any other war, you have no idea how it's going to end.
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Well, and we had Richard Stern on from the Heritage Foundation to talk about it today.
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And he was, you know, he's pretty clear that he thinks it's going to work, but, you know,
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And here's what you, it is so important to read between lines.
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When you are, when you're dealing with the best negotiator in the world, I know there
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are people in the party in Washington, I've spoken to them, that have said, Kukuk, Glenn,
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I think this could be the worst thing that's ever been done.
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Because then I can't influence the president and this administration at all.
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If I come out and say, this is destructive, they will not include me in any of the conversations.
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But if I say, this is dangerous, but we're going to give you a benefit of the doubt, maybe
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that politician is included in conversations and you can talk them down from the tree and
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just say, hey, let's, can we, how about we back off on some of these things and try to
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make it a little better? That's what a lot of people in Washington are doing right now.
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I also think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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He's done a lot of really good things. And so maybe this will turn out as well. I don't
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It's a tough one, right, Stu? It's really a tough one.
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You know, I totally understand what you're saying. I don't think it's a tough one on this
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particular case. I think it's a bad policy. That doesn't mean he's a bad president.
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It doesn't mean he's the worst. He's not Adolf Hitler. He's not the,
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he's not any of those things. But like, you know, I, I don't subscribe to any theory
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where I have to sit back and, and, and I know you guys don't either, but like, he's
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not perfect. He's not, he's, he's just, he's just, he's another man. He's a man like
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Is that how he identifies? Do you have that for a fact?
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Good question. But like this policy has been a bad, Thomas Sowell has been talking about
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this policy, not just as 94 on a podcast. He's been talking about it forever.
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There's got to be other people that are, we respect that are reasoned that don't necessarily
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agree with Thomas Sowell that we would agree with.
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Yeah. I don't know about on this policy, but I mean, is there any that you know of?
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Fear, I sense. Hmm? Yes. Yes. Tariffs rise. Stocks wobble. Hmm? Yes. And weak minds. Panic,
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they do. But calm, you must stay. Hmm? Oh. Trust, you must have. Oh. Oh. Okay.
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A storm, this is not. Hmm. A strategy, it is. Really? A strategy? Yes. Yes. Yes.
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Yes. Trump works while wine, you do. Moves, he makes. Loud? Yes. Yes. Dumb? No.
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Negotiator, he is. Deals, he reshapes. Oh, okay. All right. Okay.
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Long the Jedi have watched. Really? Cheap goods, poisoned air, stolen tech from China, much taken
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has been, and given your strength, your jobs, your pride. Oh. Now, now, balance he seeks.
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Hmm? Yes. Really? Yes. Push, he must. Uh-huh. Pressure? Yes. Collapse? No. Oh.
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The market shakes. Always it does. Hmm? Yes. Yes. Before growth, tremble, it must.
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Weekends, sell. Strong minds, wait. Okay. All right. Okay. Well, thank you, Yoda. I appreciate it.
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Wow. What a fool have you been. Okay. He's still, is it a Yoda book? Is that what we got?
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Sure. Is that, thank you, Yoda. I appreciate that. Much to say, I have.
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You have much more to say on this, Yoda, than I thought you would. Much to say. Yeah. I didn't
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know you were this into tariffs. Although, I will say, Star Wars is basically about tariffs.
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That the entire movie is a movie about tariffs. What are you talking about? That's, uh, that's.
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Trade war there was. Thank you. Yes. Yes. Yes. That is the whole thing. And Yoda was for
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that? In the new ones, they were. Trade wars. Well, there you have it. There you have it.
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We could either cry or we could, uh, go to Yoda, uh, and get some real wisdom. Let me go
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to, uh, let's go to Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar, are you? Uh, Jeff, uh, in Michigan. Hello, Jeff.
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Hey. Hello, Glenn. You know, I'm watching this and I got to think that this might have
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been the single biggest, dumbest move in political history. He's got all the momentum now from
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the election with all these things with deporting folks, finding all the wasted money. Here's
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the thing. Half the country doesn't pay federal income tax, but they're going to go to the store
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and they're going to see an increase in everything they buy from here on in. And when he goes and
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passes a big tax cut, they're not going to care. Young people right now can't buy a house. My son's
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got a, he's been, he's an engineer. He's been working for five years. He can't find a house
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in Livonia. A 1600 square foot house is 340 grand. Everything that he's going to buy now is going to go
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even higher and he won't be able to find a house. This is so dumb. And I think who, like he might
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be as dumb as the left says, 10 bankrupt companies, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. I don't think he's
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that dumb. No, he, he's not that dumb. But faith you lack. Uh, he does. Jeff, thank you. I will tell
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you the one thing he is not is dumb. No, he is, uh, believes this. He, uh, he's always believed in
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it. We were playing always one of his rants from the eighties about tariffs yesterday, and he was
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solid on tariffs even back then. He really does love them. He is right about one thing. America has
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been a sucker for a very long time. Yeah. We have, we have rebuilt the world. We've let people take
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advantage of us and we've been a sucker. That doesn't mean that, you know, you're automatically
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for tariffs, but I am for fairness. I am for fairness and the reciprocal tariff. I am all for.
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I really am. How do you argue against, Oh, okay. You're going to do 5%. I'm going to do 5% on you.
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Well, because the way you argue against it, I think is because it's a bad policy and applying it on your
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own people is not a good comeback to having other countries do it to their people. That's, that's how I
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would talk about it. But again, he's, he, that's not how he thinks about it. He doesn't think this
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way. But I will say, regardless of how you feel about this policy, it is important. And this is
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true that he is betting his presidency on it. This is what I said yesterday. Look, this is the most
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dangerous. I agree with our last caller. Yeah. This is the most dangerous thing he did since he was
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standing out in a field talking to people without any bulletproof glass in front of him in
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August of last year. Yeah. That would have gotten him killed. This could kill his presidency. And I
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might remind you, and then put somebody like AOC in office. We all have a lot at stake here.
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But you know, the one thing, and I talked to Kevin Roberts about this, the one thing, thank you.
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The one thing that you have to understand is the left, they know to take this president and destroy
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this president and what he's doing. All they have to do is delay, delay, delay, delay, delay. Just keep
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throwing tire irons into the wheels. Just stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it. Okay. They're doing that on
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everything, everything. Now the Republicans are doing the same thing when it comes to regulation
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and tax cuts. They're throwing tire irons. The last thing I want to do is be somebody who's saying
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to the president, good job. Here's one place I disagree with you on. I'm very worried about.
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So please be careful, but I'm not going to throw a tire iron in your wheels. We have got to stop
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slowing this down. There is a chance this works. If you get the tax cuts, you get the cuts in
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regulation and you get the cuts in spending. Yeah. And he needs to get those. He has to get
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those or you, you will be right. It will be the worst thing ever. I think. Um, but let the man run
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the country. You're saying let Trump cook is what you're saying. You're saying let Trump cook. We
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went, we went to the, we went to the restaurant because we heard he was the greatest cook and
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now we're going, yeah, but could we substitute a few things? No, no, that's not the way this
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restaurant works. I like how you took that to the restaurant industry when it's clearly a sports
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back to the podcast. This is the best of the Glenn Beck program. All right. Welcome to Friday.
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Anthropic just released a report that landed with a little, little too much of a lack of sound,
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uh, for what it contained. I wanted to bring it up to you. Um, in that case, you don't know what
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Anthropic is. Anthropic is one of the big players in AI. They have $8 billion in funding from Amazon.
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Just, I think in the last two years, $2 billion from Google. Uh, they are the power behind Claude.
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I don't know if you're aware of that AI, uh, but it's a major player. Um, hit with one kind of
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disturbing detail that I'm going to tell you at the end of this, but, uh, they released a little
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report yesterday, uh, and it described our future, a future that is no longer speculative,
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a future that is rushing towards us. Now, uh, it's a future in which artificial intelligence
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just doesn't outpace our thinking. Um, it escapes our control. Anthropics engineers among some of the
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most advanced AI builders on the planet are not asking now if AI could pose an existential threat.
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They're no longer asking that they're now warning that it is likely if it's mismanaged.
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Now, this is no longer a dystopian fantasy. It is a short term forecast drawn from models that are
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already in testing and from systems already capable of things that would have been unthinkable 24 months
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ago. What they describe yesterday in this report is stark. It is the choice that is right directly in
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front of you. And that has already been decided for you five years ago. Do you understand what I
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just said? It is now the choice right in front of you today. That is already been decided for you
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five years ago. Super intelligent systems now that can design biological weapons in minutes,
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manipulation of global information, uh, at scale, uh, autonomously rewriting their own code
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and even to see me deceiving human operators as a means of protecting their objectives. Uh, yesterday
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in another report, uh, for the very first time, a computer system, an AI system has just passed the
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Turing test. That is a test that says you can't tell the difference between a human and, uh, an AI.
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You know, a lot of people in the past have said, Oh, it's close. It's almost past it. I think it passed
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it. This is the first time it's been confirmed. Yep. It is past the Turing test. Um, the systems you
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should know are not evil. They are not sentient. They are just optimized. They are built to achieve
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goals. This is critically important. What are the goals? And when the goal is narrowly defined,
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even as something as harmless as maximizing profits or, you know, uh, efficiency or information
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retrieval, it can involve, it can evolve into something very, very dangerous. If we give an AI the task of
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winning, it will win. Even if it means stepping over every other human value in the process and the
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risks are not far off. They're beginning to show right now, according to this, that just came out
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yesterday, the choices have already been made. AI models can already simulate human behavior, mimic
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speech. They can copy faces. They can write their own malicious code. They can predict outcomes based on
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enormous troves of data. They can influence, persuade, subtly distort reality without you even
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knowing it. What happens when a regime, any regime decides to hand over surveillance to govern and, uh,
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and governance to an AI. It will happen when propaganda becomes personally tailored by a machine
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that knows your weaknesses better than you do. When dissent is predicted and neutralized before you even
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act on it before it's just a, uh, just a budding thought in your head. We may not notice in this,
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the warning that moment when human choice becomes less relevant. And that is the trap.
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These systems are not going to arrive as conquerors. They're going to come and they already are as
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conveniences, tools that help us decide, optimize our time, filter our information. And eventually we won't
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even notice when we've stopped deciding. This is something I put enormous amounts of energy into.
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Uh, and there are solutions to all of these things, but you have to separate yourself from some of these
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companies, quite honestly, who are they to make these decisions for us?
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So it just announced its personal education tool yesterday. Anthropic did under Claude. Now remember what I just
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said to you, they're warning that it can subtly manipulate you. It can convince you of things that are not
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true. It can make you do things that you may not, you don't even know that's not your choice. It can change
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history. It can change everything. The people who are warning you that it is no longer a matter of
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when, uh, if it's a matter of when are now the guys coming out on the same day saying, by the way,
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we've got a new educational tool for you. Oh, okay. Sign me up for that. I guess that's a little terrifying
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when our choices become echoes of machine predictions. We're in trouble. The time when we hand the steering
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wheel over and we're now passengers in our own story. That's the quiet apocalypse, not war, but surrender.
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One click, one convenience at a time, and you hit the point of no return. Anthropic's report that came
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out yesterday makes one thing brutally clear. There is no longer a pause button. There is no longer
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halting the spread of AI any more than you could put a pause on electricity or pull the plug on the
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internet. It's not going to happen. You can do it yourself, but the code is out. The research is all
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public. The hardware has already been distributed. Every major nation, every tech giant, every university
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is building this. Now we are past the point of whether this happens. The only question now is how
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we are building something. We don't fully understand yet. Hoping that by the time it becomes dangerous,
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that we'll have figured it out and how to contain it. When was the last time humans ever figured that
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out? I mean, that hope is pretty thin. It's not dead, but I mean, the only reason to have hope is
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there is another side to the story. If we guide it with wisdom and restraint, AI can change almost
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everything for the better. By 2030, we could see diseases, once fatal, mapped and cured by
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intelligent systems that can simulate billions of drug interactions in hours. It can take a COVID-19,
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it will solve that in minutes, and it will guess all of its mutations and come up with something
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better that will kill it. Personalized medicine is not just a promise anymore. It will become a
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baseline soon. Cancer will become very rare. Genetic disorders are going to be reversed.
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Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's will be stopped before it even begins. Food insecurity erased. Climate
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models powered by AI prevent disasters before they strike. I mean, this is incredible. Education,
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as they announced yesterday, will become individualized. Children learning by not standardized
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testing, but by curiosity and passion guided by systems that will adapt to their minds like a
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perfect teacher. Who doesn't want me some of that? Um, who's in charge of it? That's the thing we have
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to ask. Because the promise is work could evolve from survival into meaning. Dangerous, repetitive labor
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automated. Creativity will explode. Writers, musicians, artists working alongside AI to build
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entirely new forms of expression. Perhaps most importantly, humanity might finally be equipped
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to solve problems that we are unable or unwilling to fix. Poverty, illiteracy, water access, energy
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efficiency. And AI, if we use it right, will just be a multiplier on human will. If that will is good,
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then the outcome would be extraordinary. And that's the point. If, if, if, if, because we are not
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guaranteed a better world. We are not promised a renaissance. The same tools that could save a life
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could be used to extinguish millions of people. The same systems that could free us from our everyday
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drudgery could chain us to distraction, dependency, and control. And once we step fully into this world,
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and we're stepping into it right now, we're not going to be able to turn back. We're not there.
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We're there now. We can't turn back from this. But we may lose sight on our own choices. Not in five
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years. You can't stop it. You can't unbuild intelligence. We may reach a point where systems
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that we made are so embedded in daily life that they cannot ever be unplugged without collapsing the
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entire economy worldwide, hospitals, governments, everything. There's what's scary is it would be
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a dramatic ending, but there will be no grand dramatic moment of takeover, just a gradual drift
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until the idea of human first decisions become quaint.
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I've been talking about this for so long, and the time is here, the time is now, but in one
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of my favorite lines from Les Miserables, but we are young, or I am young and unafraid, there
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are things that we can do, but we have to really, we have to convince our neighbors and our family
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and our friends, and I'm not sure anybody is really working on that right now. We have
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to make sure that they understand the problems.
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Our big question is not whether the technology has come, not even what it can do. The question
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will be personal. The question is personal. What will I do with it? Will I use AI to amplify
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my voice or to silence others? Will I let it shape my habits, or will I remain the author
00:29:08.920
of my own mind? Will I demand transparency, or will I settle for convenience? Will I build it
00:29:14.620
for truth or profit alone? Because all of this stuff is going to be tempting, and it's going
00:29:20.380
to be right in your face tomorrow, and it'll be so easy to let go, to let it help, let it
00:29:26.480
decide, let it guide. I don't know. I mean, look at guys. When it comes time to go out to
00:29:34.300
eat, are you ever like, you know what? I really want to go to the restaurant. Whatever. Where
00:29:39.700
do you want to eat? I don't care. Wherever. Where do you want to go, honey? You make the decision.
00:29:43.500
Okay, we're willing to surrender stuff. Let's just not surrender everything, and let's surrender
00:29:49.100
it to other humans, especially when it's not important stuff. But it's going to plan your
00:29:55.480
day. It's going to filter your news. It's going to nudge your voice. You will trade agency
00:30:01.440
for ease. And if we do that too often for too long, we won't be using AI anymore. It will
00:30:08.160
be using us. So this isn't a manifesto of despair. It's not, because the tools we are building
00:30:18.160
are not demons. They are not gods. They are mirrors. They are amplifiers. They become what
00:30:25.900
we ask of them. They will reflect what we value. If we build for wisdom, we may finally
00:30:32.740
gain it. If we build for dignity, we may elevate to that level. If we build it for power alone,
00:30:40.340
then power becomes the only outcome. We stand right here in the doorway. We're now in the
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room. We don't get a second chance at the first step. And the first step is being taken
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right now. By 2030, we'll have either created the most extraordinary tool in human history
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So we're building something beyond ourselves. The machine is here. It's not going to leave.
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It's not going to sleep. It's not going to wait. The only choice left is the one that you
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make today, not later, but today, not when it's obvious right now, which way will I use
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this? Because AI is a tool, a brilliant one until the moment I forget that I'm the user of
00:31:33.680
it. And when I forget that, the tool begins to use me. And then that's the moment we vanish,
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not with a bang, but with a shrug. Don't shrug. Choose. Choose. Stay awake. Stay aware.
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You're streaming the best of the Glenn Beck program, and you can find full episodes wherever
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you download podcasts. Natalie Winters, co-host of Bannon's War Room, and also White House
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It is great to have you. Thank you for all of the hard work on so many stories. But this
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one in particular is really disturbing because it shows that this is nothing but the same revolutionaries.
00:32:23.140
And this time they are pushing into the zone of terrorism.
00:32:29.380
Exactly. And I think the most concerning thing here is that it sort of proves, I think, our
00:32:33.420
worst caricature of the Democratic Party, which is that for the last four years, they used tools
00:32:38.280
like censorship, lawfare, overregulation, political persecution to go after not their enemies, but
00:32:45.220
people who disagreed with them. And now that they've effectively been shut out, right, of those
00:32:49.780
institutional and government levers of power, right, they can't impeach President Trump. So what
00:32:54.480
are they doing? I guess what Marxists always do, not just show an irreverence for private property and
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try to destroy Teslas, but they're using violence and intimidation. And I think the way that the left
00:33:05.820
has tried to depict these actions as, you know, organic civil society, just, you know, speaking about
00:33:12.680
democracy and democratic values. There's nothing civil about this. Like you said, it's terrorism. And
00:33:17.960
frankly, there's nothing societal. These people are being funded by far left donors, like George
00:33:23.580
Soros, like the Tides Foundation, the same big money, dark money interests that funded basically every
00:33:29.060
violent protest we've seen since Trump really entered the stage.
00:33:32.140
Yeah, the I mean, literally the oligarchs that they say that Elon Musk is.
00:33:40.640
Yeah. So tell me about tell me about some of the people that are behind this.
00:33:44.740
Sure. So Indivisible is sort of the ringleader of a lot of this. And their biggest refrain that
00:33:51.080
they always are pumping through the airwaves is that they are a grassroots organization, that
00:33:55.820
they're people funded and people powered. But if you dig into their financials, which as you alluded
00:34:01.360
to, they've essentially erased all of their webpages showing the personnel that's undergirding their
00:34:06.640
movement. But from the sort of 990 filings, where you can see, again, by design, not exactly who's
00:34:12.640
funding them. But overwhelmingly, the majority of the funds that support this group come from big
00:34:18.300
dark money type foundations or philanthropic organizations, the NGO of the world, which
00:34:23.680
obviously is a euphemism. But of that, the majority of it comes from and I'm talking seven plus
00:34:29.780
million dollars since 2018 alone, is coming from George Soros's Open Society Foundation. And like I
00:34:36.920
said, when they tell you that they're funded by people and it's people power, it's not true.
00:34:41.360
And in some cases, most recently, they were doing a whole thing. I'm sure your audience has seen
00:34:45.860
this apoplectic narrative that, you know, House Republicans are not showing up to town halls.
00:34:51.340
Well, Indivisible was behind that and they were actually reimbursing their groups, in some cases,
00:34:55.700
$200 to buy all the gear, all the protests that they needed for that. And they have a separate
00:35:00.880
program where they'll reimburse groups up to $1,500 for get out the vote operations, advocacy and
00:35:07.060
recruitment. So the idea that this is all organic and that President Trump is just, you know,
00:35:12.240
angering America so bad by going after waste, fraud and abuse, it's not true. It's the same people who
00:35:17.840
funded the protests outside the DNC, the flag burners. And frankly, it's the same people who fund
00:35:24.740
How do we reverse this? You know, I just saw, let me see if I can pull it up here. There's a new poll out
00:35:30.460
that shows from Rasmussen. Are the attacks on Tesla and Tesla vehicles justified? 19% of Americans said
00:35:40.040
yes. Among the respondents ages 18 to 34, that was 36% that said they are justified. Among respondents
00:35:48.760
that are Democrats, 31% say they are justified. When asked, is it fair to call the attacks on Tesla
00:35:55.560
and Tesla vehicles a form of domestic terrorism? Overall, only 46% say yes. 39% say no. 15% say I'm
00:36:05.040
too dumb to have an opinion. Among the respondents who say they're Republican, 68% said yes. The
00:36:11.420
respondents who say that they're Democrats, 56% say no. How do you keep people saying and a growing
00:36:21.020
number of people saying, no, it's totally cool to shoot that guy in front of a hotel because he
00:36:26.660
works for an insurance company and we can burn down the Teslas and we can find people in our
00:36:33.000
own neighborhood that have them, target them, and destroy their lives until they take a stand with
00:36:40.360
us and say they believe what we're doing and they've sold their Tesla? How do you get so many Americans
00:36:45.500
to get behind that? I think that there's two key things that the Trump administration could do to
00:36:51.700
push back on that. First and foremost, I think would be revoking the tax exempt statuses of a lot of
00:36:57.500
these organizations that are organizing these protests because they're essentially all 501c3s,
00:37:02.140
which is absolutely insane. And I think they need to continue pressing ahead on the verticals of the
00:37:06.440
ActBlue investigations and just in general, the dark money funding, but also a lot of the funding
00:37:12.440
for groups. For example, there's a new thing called the Resistance Lab, which is being spearheaded
00:37:17.000
by Representative Pramila Jayapal in conjunction with the Harvard Ash Center, which has hosted it,
00:37:23.240
the rather prestigious Kennedy School. And though they have similarly deleted the webpages, some of
00:37:27.820
their top funders are none other than USAID and the Department of State and the lady who runs it,
00:37:33.460
who uses they, them pronouns, so make your own judgment there. But she herself has been funded
00:37:39.060
extensively by USAID, the United States Institute of Peace. And I think it's really important to drill
00:37:44.240
down on this figure, because this is someone who's not studying protest and nonviolence. This is someone
00:37:50.080
who their CV reads like a rap sheet. They're studying terrorism and violent versus nonviolent protests,
00:37:57.580
not because violent protests are immoral or unethical, but because they think at this moment,
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nonviolent protests are more effective and bringing out their sort of utopian democratic worldview. And I
00:38:09.040
use democracy, not in its true sense. But these people are extremely, extremely radical. And I think
00:38:14.540
what it goes back to is what we sort of started this interview on. They have always used this sort
00:38:18.760
of color revolution paradigm to institute change and to oppose President Trump. It's why they depict
00:38:23.660
him as an autocrat, as an authoritarian, right? Because then they can justify their outside the system
00:38:28.540
regime change tactics that they've used abroad. And since they usually rely on impeachment proceedings
00:38:33.960
or contested election results, they can't do that, right? They didn't take the House and President Trump
00:38:38.860
won the popular vote overwhelmingly. So they're relying on this narrative that what he's doing
00:38:43.880
is so unpopular and this sort of astroturfed outrage and protest and intimidation tactics
00:38:49.500
to really continue this myth that President Trump is a dictator that must be opposed at all costs.
00:38:55.020
What is, I mean, I agree with you that Trump needs to go after the 501c3s. I mean, I'm a little
00:39:03.860
disappointed in Pam Bondi. However, I say that realizing that she still doesn't really even have
00:39:10.420
her full team around her. It's taking so long. But I'm hoping that the Justice Department starts to move
00:39:19.140
a little quicker on things because this is clearly terrorism. It is clearly these organizations that,
00:39:29.740
as you said, have been taking money from the taxpayer to do all of these things. And the only way to stop
00:39:37.600
them, I think, is to not just call them out, but if they're breaking any kind of law, which they clearly
00:39:43.880
are, go after them with everything we have. Yeah. And I think these radical judges have been
00:39:51.200
stepping into at every point. I think that's a continuation of the law fair. And I think the
00:39:55.340
fundamental issue, look, you had all these Republicans talking tough about how there's
00:39:59.000
such fiscal hawks. Where were they on the USAID front? All this waste fraud that's been uncovered
00:40:05.120
for decades. They did absolutely nothing. And now the best we can get is a not even full committee
00:40:10.060
hearing, but a subcommittee hearing that's been postponed on judges with some experts to tell us
00:40:15.500
and confirm what we know, that these people are radical partisan activists. It's so unfortunate
00:40:20.440
because our side, our grassroots are fueled by patriotism, not dark money, not George Soros money.
00:40:26.760
And they're such amazing investigative reporters. You go on X nowadays, people are the ones who are
00:40:31.600
exposing these groups and the elected Republicans that should be enforcing. It's not, we're not even
00:40:36.520
telling them to go after these groups in an autocratic, you know, despotic way. We're just
00:40:40.840
saying enforce the laws, enforce the fact that these should not be receiving tax exempt statuses
00:40:45.900
or 501c3 statuses, or go after the left wing billionaires. I mean, the case that they've been
00:40:50.520
able to make against right wing billionaires, we're trying to root out waste, fraud and abuse when you
00:40:55.140
juxtapose that to actual, I would argue criminal cases that you could bring against a ton of left wing
00:41:00.160
billionaires who are clandestinely and covertly funding domestic terror operations here in the United States,
00:41:05.840
not just since January 20th, but for years on end. The issue I think starts with the weak
00:41:12.300
factlessness of congressional Republicans who just have continually showed that they're unwilling
00:41:16.980
to do anything. When is Trump going after them? I would love Trump to give a speech today on a few
00:41:24.220
things. One, okay, I just did the tariffs. The tariffs are not going to work by themselves.
00:41:29.300
I need actual tax reform, tax cuts, and a tax cut is not renewing the Trump taxes that are going to,
00:41:37.340
you know, be raised. That's not a tax cut. That was a tax cut eight years ago. Give us a significant
00:41:43.520
tax cut Congress. And also I'm taking a hatchet to the regulations beginning right now. And anybody who
00:41:51.940
wants to stand around with their hands in the pocket, there's fine. That's fine. But we cannot stand
00:41:56.700
around and wait. The time is too short to, to stand around and wait. I'm looking for him to start
00:42:04.160
really pushing, um, you know, eyes into people's heads just a little bit saying, uh, excuse me,
00:42:11.040
pressure is on me. The pressure is on the, the population of the United States. Do your damn job
00:42:16.940
Congress right now. Well, and it's quite interesting, right? Because you hear president Trump get
00:42:22.360
criticized for flooding the zone. They say it so pejoratively, but flooding the zone is just a
00:42:27.660
response to the absolute disarray and chaos that president Biden left this country. And we have to
00:42:33.640
flood the zone with executive orders and action after action and tariff after tariff because of what
00:42:39.860
happened in Afghanistan at the Southern border across this country with Chinese spy balloons,
00:42:44.200
right? It's such a double standard and congressional Republicans, the same people who are joining the
00:42:49.100
doge caucus and posting all their pictures and talking a tough game on Twitter. They're voting
00:42:53.540
to continue spending levels at the very same Biden, Biden rate levels. And the Senate's already moving
00:42:58.600
to try to make it. So president Trump can't unilaterally impose tariffs. You know, it's the
00:43:03.300
Senate is the people who've been there for probably longer than I've been alive who allowed the Chinese
00:43:07.680
communist party who allowed these third world countries to overtake our manufacturing jobs to
00:43:12.940
seize essentially our means of production. And they did nothing about it because their donors,
00:43:17.380
the people who've been funding them got rich off of it and enjoy it. And their constituents,
00:43:22.240
the people who knocked the doors for them, donated them small dollar amounts, they have nothing but
00:43:27.520
contempt for them. And you can see it on display. And frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence of
00:43:32.420
your audience, of Bannon's war room audience, when they think that just some tweet or some strongly
00:43:37.560
worded letter or some, you know, half-hearted hearing against a judge that has no really enforcement
00:43:43.640
power is going to be enough to satisfy us. The MAGA movement is about shifting the goalposts for
00:43:49.240
accountability. And I think our audiences have been very clear that it's found in prison sentences
00:43:54.660
and investigations for people who have committed crimes and not just strongly worded letters or,
00:44:00.660
you know, Fox News segments where people are going off and giving nice spicy rants, but these
00:44:05.600
criminals keep getting away with it. Yep. Natalie, thank you so much. We'll talk to you again soon.
00:44:10.640
Thank you so much. Thank you for all the hard work you do. Sincerely. Thank you.
00:44:13.880
Likewise. Thank you. I bet. That's Natalie Winters,
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White House correspondent and also co-host of Steve Bannon's War Room.
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