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00:00:30.000 Hey, we talked some tariffs.

00:00:31.400 I mean, it's Friday.

00:00:32.400 Yoda stops by to reassure us about the tariffs.

00:00:36.840 It made me feel good.

00:00:38.900 It did.

00:00:41.140 Pat joins us for that.

00:00:42.620 Also, a new article on AI that you need to hear about.

00:00:45.260 The future is something that we, well, is going to be reality.

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00:00:51.840 And Natalie Winters from Steve Bannon's War Room, she's also the White House correspondent,

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00:03:29.140 And, you know, I understand a lot of people disagree with my stance on tariffs.

00:03:33.660 That's totally fine.

00:03:36.300 My, you know, my stance is we voted for the guy.

00:03:41.640 Let's not dismantle what he said was the most important thing he was going to do.

00:03:48.380 You know, we didn't have that caveat.

00:03:51.400 I don't know if anybody noticed that.

00:03:53.100 There wasn't a big caveat.

00:03:54.360 And I know you believe this, but just say it again.

00:03:57.260 Just because you vote for someone does not mean you cannot disagree with them.

00:04:00.280 Oh, no.

00:04:00.720 I have disagreed with him.

00:04:02.340 I've talked to him for a half an hour one-on-one about how much I disagree with tariffs.

00:04:07.200 You totally have.

00:04:07.800 Yes.

00:04:08.020 And I just want to make sure when you're saying it like that, it sort of sounds like

00:04:11.780 you're saying, well, we're on board for everything that he does.

00:04:13.720 No.

00:04:14.020 No.

00:04:14.400 No.

00:04:14.600 I mean, if he decides tomorrow, he's like, you know what?

00:04:16.540 Abortion for everyone. 0.72

00:04:17.760 I'm not going to be like, oh, well, we voted for the guy.

00:04:20.080 You know, like this was.

00:04:20.980 He did tease, though, for many, you know, decades.

00:04:23.740 Yeah.

00:04:24.180 We knew this one was coming.

00:04:25.300 This is not a shock to, if anybody was paying attention, not a shock.

00:04:28.360 And during the last campaign, he over and over and over and over and over and over again

00:04:31.800 said, this is what I'm going to do.

00:04:34.660 He also said he was going to end regulation and reduce taxes.

00:04:38.280 That, to me, is not, you know, hey, let's just renew the Trump cuts that we already have.

00:04:43.920 Yeah.

00:04:44.620 But that's actually the current policy.

00:04:46.500 Don't tell me it's a tax cut to extend the current policy.

00:04:49.720 It's not.

00:04:50.480 It's not.

00:04:51.940 And so there's other things.

00:04:53.460 But this is so dangerous, the worst thing we could do is slow it down.

00:04:59.480 The worst thing we can do is slow it down.

00:05:01.880 I should say, slow down the whole policy.

00:05:04.380 Get back bogged down into this.

00:05:06.260 We should be concentrating right now on Congress.

00:05:09.040 Do your job.

00:05:10.100 Pass tax cuts.

00:05:11.440 Real tax cuts.

00:05:12.940 Congress, cut regulation right now.

00:05:15.660 Because if you think it's bad with the tariffs, as they are, the only thing that will save it

00:05:22.920 is cutting the spending, cutting the taxes, and cutting regulations.

00:05:28.020 And every day we sit here and argue about what Trump is doing.

00:05:31.480 Trump's not going to change his mind.

00:05:33.080 I know.

00:05:33.780 I've talked to him multiple times about it.

00:05:37.040 Okay?

00:05:37.220 I've had a really passionate conversation about tariffs one-on-one on the phone.

00:05:43.280 He's like, Glenn, you make great points, but I just love tariffs.

00:05:49.380 I'm going to do it anyway.

00:05:50.720 That's legitimately what he said.

00:05:51.960 That's legitimately what he said after a half an hour.

00:05:54.560 And I respect that.

00:05:55.900 At least he's telling me the truth.

00:05:57.940 Yeah.

00:05:58.080 He's being honest about it.

00:05:59.780 You know, but I know what we're facing.

00:06:02.320 I don't know if you saw what...

00:06:04.380 Thomas Sowell wrote.

00:06:05.860 Did you see this?

00:06:07.140 Yeah.

00:06:07.540 Yeah.

00:06:07.800 Thomas Sowell.

00:06:08.500 I thought it was on a podcast.

00:06:09.820 Was it on a podcast?

00:06:11.120 Yeah, it might have been.

00:06:12.000 Yeah.

00:06:12.660 Oh, my gosh.

00:06:13.420 Still doing podcasts at 94 years old, by the way.

00:06:15.640 Yeah, he's great.

00:06:16.420 What an utter disaster.

00:06:17.840 I happen to believe the Smoot-Hawley tariffs had more to do with setting off the Great Depression

00:06:21.260 of the 30s than the stock market crash.

00:06:23.560 Unemployment never reached double digits in any of the 12 months that followed the crash

00:06:26.920 of October 29.

00:06:28.280 But it hit double digits within six months of passage of Smoot-Hawley and stayed there for

00:06:32.560 a decade.

00:06:33.100 When you set off a trade war, like any other war, you have no idea how it's going to end.

00:06:39.600 Okay?

00:06:40.900 We're there, gang.

00:06:42.200 We're there.

00:06:43.080 We're there.

00:06:44.780 So, I mean, I don't know.

00:06:47.060 What do you think, Pat?

00:06:48.720 Have you been talking about this a lot?

00:06:50.240 Yes.

00:06:50.520 On Pat Gray Unleashed?

00:06:51.120 Yeah.

00:06:51.560 Well, and we had Richard Stern on from the Heritage Foundation to talk about it today.

00:06:56.620 And he was, you know, he's pretty clear that he thinks it's going to work, but, you know,

00:07:05.180 there's some doubt.

00:07:06.140 Look, I've talked to a lot of people.

00:07:09.820 And here's what you, it is so important to read between lines.

00:07:16.920 When you are, when you're dealing with the best negotiator in the world, I know there

00:07:25.260 are people in the party in Washington, I've spoken to them, that have said, Kukuk, Glenn,

00:07:31.820 I think this could be the worst thing that's ever been done.

00:07:34.980 Well, why aren't you saying that?

00:07:36.420 Because then I can't influence the president and this administration at all.

00:07:41.960 If I come out and say, this is destructive, they will not include me in any of the conversations.

00:07:50.760 But if I say, this is dangerous, but we're going to give you a benefit of the doubt, maybe

00:07:58.040 that politician is included in conversations and you can talk them down from the tree and

00:08:04.780 just say, hey, let's, can we, how about we back off on some of these things and try to

00:08:09.960 make it a little better? That's what a lot of people in Washington are doing right now.

00:08:15.020 I also think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

00:08:16.940 I do too.

00:08:17.380 He's done a lot.

00:08:18.140 I do too.

00:08:18.480 He's done a lot of really good things. And so maybe this will turn out as well. I don't

00:08:24.120 know.

00:08:24.240 I don't know.

00:08:24.700 No, no, no, no.

00:08:25.360 I don't know.

00:08:26.040 It's a tough one.

00:08:26.700 I've never.

00:08:27.420 It's a tough one, right, Stu? It's really a tough one.

00:08:29.920 You know, I totally understand what you're saying. I don't think it's a tough one on this

00:08:34.080 particular case. I think it's a bad policy. That doesn't mean he's a bad president.

00:08:37.560 It doesn't mean he's the worst. He's not Adolf Hitler. He's not the,

00:08:39.960 he's not any of those things. But like, you know, I, I don't subscribe to any theory

00:08:46.400 where I have to sit back and, and, and I know you guys don't either, but like, he's

00:08:51.640 not perfect. He's not, he's, he's just, he's just, he's another man. He's a man like

00:08:56.320 everybody else.

00:08:57.160 No, I know.

00:08:57.460 How dare you say that?

00:08:58.600 I know.

00:08:58.880 That's what he is.

00:08:59.820 Is that how he identifies? Do you have that for a fact?

00:09:02.720 Good question. But like this policy has been a bad, Thomas Sowell has been talking about

00:09:07.020 this policy, not just as 94 on a podcast. He's been talking about it forever.

00:09:10.820 There's got to be other people that are, we respect that are reasoned that don't necessarily

00:09:16.280 agree with Thomas Sowell that we would agree with.

00:09:20.320 Yeah. I don't know about on this policy, but I mean, is there any that you know of?

00:09:25.860 Pat, do you know of anybody?

00:09:27.080 Fear, I sense. Hmm? Yes. Yes. Tariffs rise. Stocks wobble. Hmm? Yes. And weak minds. Panic,

00:09:37.000 they do. But calm, you must stay. Hmm? Oh. Trust, you must have. Oh. Oh. Okay.

00:09:45.880 A storm, this is not. Hmm. A strategy, it is. Really? A strategy? Yes. Yes. Yes.

00:09:51.580 Yes. Trump works while wine, you do. Moves, he makes. Loud? Yes. Yes. Dumb? No.

00:10:04.180 Negotiator, he is. Deals, he reshapes. Oh, okay. All right. Okay.

00:10:09.340 Long the Jedi have watched. Really? Cheap goods, poisoned air, stolen tech from China, much taken

00:10:21.700 has been, and given your strength, your jobs, your pride. Oh. Now, now, balance he seeks.

00:10:34.540 Hmm? Yes. Really? Yes. Push, he must. Uh-huh. Pressure? Yes. Collapse? No. Oh.

00:10:43.900 The market shakes. Always it does. Hmm? Yes. Yes. Before growth, tremble, it must.

00:10:55.860 Weekends, sell. Strong minds, wait. Okay. All right. Okay. Well, thank you, Yoda. I appreciate it.

00:11:02.660 Wow. What a fool have you been. Okay. He's still, is it a Yoda book? Is that what we got? 1.00

00:11:07.940 Sure. Is that, thank you, Yoda. I appreciate that. Much to say, I have.

00:11:13.760 You have much more to say on this, Yoda, than I thought you would. Much to say. Yeah. I didn't

00:11:18.880 know you were this into tariffs. Although, I will say, Star Wars is basically about tariffs.

00:11:25.560 That the entire movie is a movie about tariffs. What are you talking about? That's, uh, that's.

00:11:30.720 Trade war there was. Thank you. Yes. Yes. Yes. That is the whole thing. And Yoda was for

00:11:36.500 that? In the new ones, they were. Trade wars. Well, there you have it. There you have it.

00:11:46.360 We could either cry or we could, uh, go to Yoda, uh, and get some real wisdom. Let me go

00:11:51.480 to, uh, let's go to Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar, are you? Uh, Jeff, uh, in Michigan. Hello, Jeff.

00:11:58.780 Hey. Hello, Glenn. You know, I'm watching this and I got to think that this might have

00:12:04.560 been the single biggest, dumbest move in political history. He's got all the momentum now from 0.96

00:12:11.480 the election with all these things with deporting folks, finding all the wasted money. Here's

00:12:17.700 the thing. Half the country doesn't pay federal income tax, but they're going to go to the store

00:12:22.880 and they're going to see an increase in everything they buy from here on in. And when he goes and

00:12:27.980 passes a big tax cut, they're not going to care. Young people right now can't buy a house. My son's

00:12:34.560 got a, he's been, he's an engineer. He's been working for five years. He can't find a house

00:12:39.660 in Livonia. A 1600 square foot house is 340 grand. Everything that he's going to buy now is going to go

00:12:47.680 even higher and he won't be able to find a house. This is so dumb. And I think who, like he might 1.00

00:12:55.960 be as dumb as the left says, 10 bankrupt companies, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. I don't think he's 0.98

00:13:01.420 that dumb. No, he, he's not that dumb. But faith you lack. Uh, he does. Jeff, thank you. I will tell 1.00

00:13:10.360 you the one thing he is not is dumb. No, he is, uh, believes this. He, uh, he's always believed in 0.99

00:13:15.920 it. We were playing always one of his rants from the eighties about tariffs yesterday, and he was

00:13:22.180 solid on tariffs even back then. He really does love them. He is right about one thing. America has

00:13:29.720 been a sucker for a very long time. Yeah. We have, we have rebuilt the world. We've let people take 1.00

00:13:36.460 advantage of us and we've been a sucker. That doesn't mean that, you know, you're automatically

00:13:40.700 for tariffs, but I am for fairness. I am for fairness and the reciprocal tariff. I am all for.

00:13:48.400 I really am. How do you argue against, Oh, okay. You're going to do 5%. I'm going to do 5% on you.

00:13:54.860 Well, because the way you argue against it, I think is because it's a bad policy and applying it on your

00:13:59.140 own people is not a good comeback to having other countries do it to their people. That's, that's how I 0.99

00:14:05.420 would talk about it. But again, he's, he, that's not how he thinks about it. He doesn't think this

00:14:11.960 way. But I will say, regardless of how you feel about this policy, it is important. And this is

00:14:17.440 true that he is betting his presidency on it. This is what I said yesterday. Look, this is the most

00:14:24.180 dangerous. I agree with our last caller. Yeah. This is the most dangerous thing he did since he was

00:14:29.200 standing out in a field talking to people without any bulletproof glass in front of him in

00:14:35.320 August of last year. Yeah. That would have gotten him killed. This could kill his presidency. And I

00:14:41.520 might remind you, and then put somebody like AOC in office. We all have a lot at stake here.

00:14:47.980 But you know, the one thing, and I talked to Kevin Roberts about this, the one thing, thank you.

00:14:54.000 The one thing that you have to understand is the left, they know to take this president and destroy

00:15:02.340 this president and what he's doing. All they have to do is delay, delay, delay, delay, delay. Just keep

00:15:08.440 throwing tire irons into the wheels. Just stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it. Okay. They're doing that on

00:15:15.160 everything, everything. Now the Republicans are doing the same thing when it comes to regulation

00:15:20.280 and tax cuts. They're throwing tire irons. The last thing I want to do is be somebody who's saying

00:15:27.260 to the president, good job. Here's one place I disagree with you on. I'm very worried about.

00:15:34.300 So please be careful, but I'm not going to throw a tire iron in your wheels. We have got to stop

00:15:44.020 slowing this down. There is a chance this works. If you get the tax cuts, you get the cuts in

00:15:50.560 regulation and you get the cuts in spending. Yeah. And he needs to get those. He has to get

00:15:55.440 those or you, you will be right. It will be the worst thing ever. I think. Um, but let the man run

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00:17:43.400 Anthropic just released a report that landed with a little, little too much of a lack of sound,

00:17:49.700 uh, for what it contained. I wanted to bring it up to you. Um, in that case, you don't know what

00:17:54.380 Anthropic is. Anthropic is one of the big players in AI. They have $8 billion in funding from Amazon.

00:18:00.500 Just, I think in the last two years, $2 billion from Google. Uh, they are the power behind Claude.

00:18:06.420 I don't know if you're aware of that AI, uh, but it's a major player. Um, hit with one kind of

00:18:11.560 disturbing detail that I'm going to tell you at the end of this, but, uh, they released a little

00:18:16.020 report yesterday, uh, and it described our future, a future that is no longer speculative,

00:18:21.840 a future that is rushing towards us. Now, uh, it's a future in which artificial intelligence

00:18:27.980 just doesn't outpace our thinking. Um, it escapes our control. Anthropics engineers among some of the 1.00

00:18:36.960 most advanced AI builders on the planet are not asking now if AI could pose an existential threat.

00:18:44.160 They're no longer asking that they're now warning that it is likely if it's mismanaged.

00:18:54.140 Now, this is no longer a dystopian fantasy. It is a short term forecast drawn from models that are

00:19:01.300 already in testing and from systems already capable of things that would have been unthinkable 24 months

00:19:09.100 ago. What they describe yesterday in this report is stark. It is the choice that is right directly in

00:19:17.460 front of you. And that has already been decided for you five years ago. Do you understand what I

00:19:23.820 just said? It is now the choice right in front of you today. That is already been decided for you

00:19:32.000 five years ago. Super intelligent systems now that can design biological weapons in minutes, 0.98

00:19:39.720 manipulation of global information, uh, at scale, uh, autonomously rewriting their own code

00:19:49.840 and even to see me deceiving human operators as a means of protecting their objectives. Uh, yesterday

00:19:56.320 in another report, uh, for the very first time, a computer system, an AI system has just passed the

00:20:03.440 Turing test. That is a test that says you can't tell the difference between a human and, uh, an AI.

00:20:11.640 You know, a lot of people in the past have said, Oh, it's close. It's almost past it. I think it passed

00:20:16.240 it. This is the first time it's been confirmed. Yep. It is past the Turing test. Um, the systems you

00:20:22.880 should know are not evil. They are not sentient. They are just optimized. They are built to achieve

00:20:29.240 goals. This is critically important. What are the goals? And when the goal is narrowly defined,

00:20:37.000 even as something as harmless as maximizing profits or, you know, uh, efficiency or information

00:20:44.000 retrieval, it can involve, it can evolve into something very, very dangerous. If we give an AI the task of

00:20:51.720 winning, it will win. Even if it means stepping over every other human value in the process and the

00:20:59.880 risks are not far off. They're beginning to show right now, according to this, that just came out

00:21:05.100 yesterday, the choices have already been made. AI models can already simulate human behavior, mimic

00:21:11.880 speech. They can copy faces. They can write their own malicious code. They can predict outcomes based on

00:21:18.380 enormous troves of data. They can influence, persuade, subtly distort reality without you even

00:21:25.080 knowing it. What happens when a regime, any regime decides to hand over surveillance to govern and, uh,

00:21:31.640 and governance to an AI. It will happen when propaganda becomes personally tailored by a machine

00:21:39.740 that knows your weaknesses better than you do. When dissent is predicted and neutralized before you even

00:21:47.180 act on it before it's just a, uh, just a budding thought in your head. We may not notice in this,

00:21:54.740 the warning that moment when human choice becomes less relevant. And that is the trap.

00:22:01.240 These systems are not going to arrive as conquerors. They're going to come and they already are as

00:22:07.600 conveniences, tools that help us decide, optimize our time, filter our information. And eventually we won't

00:22:15.160 even notice when we've stopped deciding. This is something I put enormous amounts of energy into.

00:22:24.400 Uh, and there are solutions to all of these things, but you have to separate yourself from some of these

00:22:32.900 companies, quite honestly, who are they to make these decisions for us?

00:22:39.400 So it just announced its personal education tool yesterday. Anthropic did under Claude. Now remember what I just

00:22:47.640 said to you, they're warning that it can subtly manipulate you. It can convince you of things that are not

00:22:56.060 true. It can make you do things that you may not, you don't even know that's not your choice. It can change

00:23:03.700 history. It can change everything. The people who are warning you that it is no longer a matter of

00:23:09.960 when, uh, if it's a matter of when are now the guys coming out on the same day saying, by the way,

00:23:17.480 we've got a new educational tool for you. Oh, okay. Sign me up for that. I guess that's a little terrifying

00:23:24.940 when our choices become echoes of machine predictions. We're in trouble. The time when we hand the steering

00:23:46.540 wheel over and we're now passengers in our own story. That's the quiet apocalypse, not war, but surrender.

00:23:55.560 One click, one convenience at a time, and you hit the point of no return. Anthropic's report that came

00:24:03.380 out yesterday makes one thing brutally clear. There is no longer a pause button. There is no longer

00:24:10.420 halting the spread of AI any more than you could put a pause on electricity or pull the plug on the

00:24:16.120 internet. It's not going to happen. You can do it yourself, but the code is out. The research is all

00:24:23.240 public. The hardware has already been distributed. Every major nation, every tech giant, every university

00:24:29.540 is building this. Now we are past the point of whether this happens. The only question now is how

00:24:35.300 we are building something. We don't fully understand yet. Hoping that by the time it becomes dangerous,

00:24:41.580 that we'll have figured it out and how to contain it. When was the last time humans ever figured that

00:24:45.860 out? I mean, that hope is pretty thin. It's not dead, but I mean, the only reason to have hope is

00:24:55.240 there is another side to the story. If we guide it with wisdom and restraint, AI can change almost

00:25:02.600 everything for the better. By 2030, we could see diseases, once fatal, mapped and cured by

00:25:09.760 intelligent systems that can simulate billions of drug interactions in hours. It can take a COVID-19,

00:25:17.520 it will solve that in minutes, and it will guess all of its mutations and come up with something

00:25:25.260 better that will kill it. Personalized medicine is not just a promise anymore. It will become a

00:25:32.240 baseline soon. Cancer will become very rare. Genetic disorders are going to be reversed.

00:25:39.180 Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's will be stopped before it even begins. Food insecurity erased. Climate

00:25:47.380 models powered by AI prevent disasters before they strike. I mean, this is incredible. Education,

00:25:55.880 as they announced yesterday, will become individualized. Children learning by not standardized

00:26:00.500 testing, but by curiosity and passion guided by systems that will adapt to their minds like a

00:26:06.320 perfect teacher. Who doesn't want me some of that? Um, who's in charge of it? That's the thing we have

00:26:15.740 to ask. Because the promise is work could evolve from survival into meaning. Dangerous, repetitive labor

00:26:24.440 automated. Creativity will explode. Writers, musicians, artists working alongside AI to build

00:26:30.320 entirely new forms of expression. Perhaps most importantly, humanity might finally be equipped

00:26:35.460 to solve problems that we are unable or unwilling to fix. Poverty, illiteracy, water access, energy

00:26:41.900 efficiency. And AI, if we use it right, will just be a multiplier on human will. If that will is good,

00:26:51.760 then the outcome would be extraordinary. And that's the point. If, if, if, if, because we are not

00:26:56.880 guaranteed a better world. We are not promised a renaissance. The same tools that could save a life

00:27:03.140 could be used to extinguish millions of people. The same systems that could free us from our everyday

00:27:09.880 drudgery could chain us to distraction, dependency, and control. And once we step fully into this world,

00:27:20.060 and we're stepping into it right now, we're not going to be able to turn back. We're not there.

00:27:26.760 We're there now. We can't turn back from this. But we may lose sight on our own choices. Not in five

00:27:33.640 years. You can't stop it. You can't unbuild intelligence. We may reach a point where systems

00:27:42.260 that we made are so embedded in daily life that they cannot ever be unplugged without collapsing the

00:27:47.740 entire economy worldwide, hospitals, governments, everything. There's what's scary is it would be

00:27:54.660 a dramatic ending, but there will be no grand dramatic moment of takeover, just a gradual drift

00:27:59.980 until the idea of human first decisions become quaint.

00:28:04.500 I've been talking about this for so long, and the time is here, the time is now, but in one

00:28:17.920 of my favorite lines from Les Miserables, but we are young, or I am young and unafraid, there

00:28:25.140 are things that we can do, but we have to really, we have to convince our neighbors and our family

00:28:36.660 and our friends, and I'm not sure anybody is really working on that right now. We have

00:28:42.280 to make sure that they understand the problems.

00:28:45.760 Our big question is not whether the technology has come, not even what it can do. The question

00:28:54.660 will be personal. The question is personal. What will I do with it? Will I use AI to amplify

00:29:01.600 my voice or to silence others? Will I let it shape my habits, or will I remain the author

00:29:08.920 of my own mind? Will I demand transparency, or will I settle for convenience? Will I build it

00:29:14.620 for truth or profit alone? Because all of this stuff is going to be tempting, and it's going

00:29:20.380 to be right in your face tomorrow, and it'll be so easy to let go, to let it help, let it

00:29:26.480 decide, let it guide. I don't know. I mean, look at guys. When it comes time to go out to

00:29:34.300 eat, are you ever like, you know what? I really want to go to the restaurant. Whatever. Where

00:29:39.700 do you want to eat? I don't care. Wherever. Where do you want to go, honey? You make the decision.

00:29:43.500 Okay, we're willing to surrender stuff. Let's just not surrender everything, and let's surrender

00:29:49.100 it to other humans, especially when it's not important stuff. But it's going to plan your

00:29:55.480 day. It's going to filter your news. It's going to nudge your voice. You will trade agency

00:30:01.440 for ease. And if we do that too often for too long, we won't be using AI anymore. It will

00:30:08.160 be using us. So this isn't a manifesto of despair. It's not, because the tools we are building

00:30:18.160 are not demons. They are not gods. They are mirrors. They are amplifiers. They become what

00:30:25.900 we ask of them. They will reflect what we value. If we build for wisdom, we may finally

00:30:32.740 gain it. If we build for dignity, we may elevate to that level. If we build it for power alone,

00:30:40.340 then power becomes the only outcome. We stand right here in the doorway. We're now in the

00:30:46.620 room. We don't get a second chance at the first step. And the first step is being taken

00:30:54.820 right now. By 2030, we'll have either created the most extraordinary tool in human history

00:31:02.540 or the last one we ever control.

00:31:05.380 So we're building something beyond ourselves. The machine is here. It's not going to leave.

00:31:13.060 It's not going to sleep. It's not going to wait. The only choice left is the one that you

00:31:16.900 make today, not later, but today, not when it's obvious right now, which way will I use

00:31:24.320 this? Because AI is a tool, a brilliant one until the moment I forget that I'm the user of

00:31:33.680 it. And when I forget that, the tool begins to use me. And then that's the moment we vanish,

00:31:41.240 not with a bang, but with a shrug. Don't shrug. Choose. Choose. Stay awake. Stay aware.

00:31:51.420 Follow this. It's really important.

00:31:54.300 You're streaming the best of the Glenn Beck program, and you can find full episodes wherever

00:31:58.360 you download podcasts. Natalie Winters, co-host of Bannon's War Room, and also White House

00:32:05.920 correspondent. Welcome, Natalie. How are you?

00:32:08.920 Hi, good. Thank you so much for having me.

00:32:10.980 It is great to have you. Thank you for all of the hard work on so many stories. But this

00:32:14.460 one in particular is really disturbing because it shows that this is nothing but the same revolutionaries.

00:32:23.140 And this time they are pushing into the zone of terrorism.

00:32:29.380 Exactly. And I think the most concerning thing here is that it sort of proves, I think, our

00:32:33.420 worst caricature of the Democratic Party, which is that for the last four years, they used tools

00:32:38.280 like censorship, lawfare, overregulation, political persecution to go after not their enemies, but

00:32:45.220 people who disagreed with them. And now that they've effectively been shut out, right, of those

00:32:49.780 institutional and government levers of power, right, they can't impeach President Trump. So what

00:32:54.480 are they doing? I guess what Marxists always do, not just show an irreverence for private property and

00:33:00.100 try to destroy Teslas, but they're using violence and intimidation. And I think the way that the left

00:33:05.820 has tried to depict these actions as, you know, organic civil society, just, you know, speaking about

00:33:12.680 democracy and democratic values. There's nothing civil about this. Like you said, it's terrorism. And

00:33:17.960 frankly, there's nothing societal. These people are being funded by far left donors, like George

00:33:23.580 Soros, like the Tides Foundation, the same big money, dark money interests that funded basically every

00:33:29.060 violent protest we've seen since Trump really entered the stage.

00:33:32.140 Yeah, the I mean, literally the oligarchs that they say that Elon Musk is.

00:33:39.120 You're exactly right.

00:33:40.640 Yeah. So tell me about tell me about some of the people that are behind this.

00:33:44.740 Sure. So Indivisible is sort of the ringleader of a lot of this. And their biggest refrain that

00:33:51.080 they always are pumping through the airwaves is that they are a grassroots organization, that

00:33:55.820 they're people funded and people powered. But if you dig into their financials, which as you alluded

00:34:01.360 to, they've essentially erased all of their webpages showing the personnel that's undergirding their

00:34:06.640 movement. But from the sort of 990 filings, where you can see, again, by design, not exactly who's

00:34:12.640 funding them. But overwhelmingly, the majority of the funds that support this group come from big

00:34:18.300 dark money type foundations or philanthropic organizations, the NGO of the world, which

00:34:23.680 obviously is a euphemism. But of that, the majority of it comes from and I'm talking seven plus

00:34:29.780 million dollars since 2018 alone, is coming from George Soros's Open Society Foundation. And like I

00:34:36.920 said, when they tell you that they're funded by people and it's people power, it's not true.

00:34:41.360 And in some cases, most recently, they were doing a whole thing. I'm sure your audience has seen

00:34:45.860 this apoplectic narrative that, you know, House Republicans are not showing up to town halls.

00:34:51.340 Well, Indivisible was behind that and they were actually reimbursing their groups, in some cases,

00:34:55.700 $200 to buy all the gear, all the protests that they needed for that. And they have a separate

00:35:00.880 program where they'll reimburse groups up to $1,500 for get out the vote operations, advocacy and

00:35:07.060 recruitment. So the idea that this is all organic and that President Trump is just, you know,

00:35:12.240 angering America so bad by going after waste, fraud and abuse, it's not true. It's the same people who

00:35:17.840 funded the protests outside the DNC, the flag burners. And frankly, it's the same people who fund

00:35:22.140 inside the DNC.

00:35:24.740 How do we reverse this? You know, I just saw, let me see if I can pull it up here. There's a new poll out

00:35:30.460 that shows from Rasmussen. Are the attacks on Tesla and Tesla vehicles justified? 19% of Americans said

00:35:40.040 yes. Among the respondents ages 18 to 34, that was 36% that said they are justified. Among respondents

00:35:48.760 that are Democrats, 31% say they are justified. When asked, is it fair to call the attacks on Tesla

00:35:55.560 and Tesla vehicles a form of domestic terrorism? Overall, only 46% say yes. 39% say no. 15% say I'm

00:36:05.040 too dumb to have an opinion. Among the respondents who say they're Republican, 68% said yes. The 0.98

00:36:11.420 respondents who say that they're Democrats, 56% say no. How do you keep people saying and a growing

00:36:21.020 number of people saying, no, it's totally cool to shoot that guy in front of a hotel because he 0.95

00:36:26.660 works for an insurance company and we can burn down the Teslas and we can find people in our 0.99

00:36:33.000 own neighborhood that have them, target them, and destroy their lives until they take a stand with

00:36:40.360 us and say they believe what we're doing and they've sold their Tesla? How do you get so many Americans

00:36:45.500 to get behind that? I think that there's two key things that the Trump administration could do to

00:36:51.700 push back on that. First and foremost, I think would be revoking the tax exempt statuses of a lot of

00:36:57.500 these organizations that are organizing these protests because they're essentially all 501c3s,

00:37:02.140 which is absolutely insane. And I think they need to continue pressing ahead on the verticals of the

00:37:06.440 ActBlue investigations and just in general, the dark money funding, but also a lot of the funding

00:37:12.440 for groups. For example, there's a new thing called the Resistance Lab, which is being spearheaded

00:37:17.000 by Representative Pramila Jayapal in conjunction with the Harvard Ash Center, which has hosted it,

00:37:23.240 the rather prestigious Kennedy School. And though they have similarly deleted the webpages, some of

00:37:27.820 their top funders are none other than USAID and the Department of State and the lady who runs it,

00:37:33.460 who uses they, them pronouns, so make your own judgment there. But she herself has been funded

00:37:39.060 extensively by USAID, the United States Institute of Peace. And I think it's really important to drill

00:37:44.240 down on this figure, because this is someone who's not studying protest and nonviolence. This is someone

00:37:50.080 who their CV reads like a rap sheet. They're studying terrorism and violent versus nonviolent protests,

00:37:57.580 not because violent protests are immoral or unethical, but because they think at this moment,

00:38:03.400 nonviolent protests are more effective and bringing out their sort of utopian democratic worldview. And I

00:38:09.040 use democracy, not in its true sense. But these people are extremely, extremely radical. And I think

00:38:14.540 what it goes back to is what we sort of started this interview on. They have always used this sort

00:38:18.760 of color revolution paradigm to institute change and to oppose President Trump. It's why they depict

00:38:23.660 him as an autocrat, as an authoritarian, right? Because then they can justify their outside the system 0.62

00:38:28.540 regime change tactics that they've used abroad. And since they usually rely on impeachment proceedings

00:38:33.960 or contested election results, they can't do that, right? They didn't take the House and President Trump

00:38:38.860 won the popular vote overwhelmingly. So they're relying on this narrative that what he's doing

00:38:43.880 is so unpopular and this sort of astroturfed outrage and protest and intimidation tactics

00:38:49.500 to really continue this myth that President Trump is a dictator that must be opposed at all costs.

00:38:55.020 What is, I mean, I agree with you that Trump needs to go after the 501c3s. I mean, I'm a little 1.00

00:39:03.860 disappointed in Pam Bondi. However, I say that realizing that she still doesn't really even have

00:39:10.420 her full team around her. It's taking so long. But I'm hoping that the Justice Department starts to move

00:39:19.140 a little quicker on things because this is clearly terrorism. It is clearly these organizations that,

00:39:29.740 as you said, have been taking money from the taxpayer to do all of these things. And the only way to stop

00:39:37.600 them, I think, is to not just call them out, but if they're breaking any kind of law, which they clearly

00:39:43.880 are, go after them with everything we have. Yeah. And I think these radical judges have been

00:39:51.200 stepping into at every point. I think that's a continuation of the law fair. And I think the

00:39:55.340 fundamental issue, look, you had all these Republicans talking tough about how there's

00:39:59.000 such fiscal hawks. Where were they on the USAID front? All this waste fraud that's been uncovered

00:40:05.120 for decades. They did absolutely nothing. And now the best we can get is a not even full committee

00:40:10.060 hearing, but a subcommittee hearing that's been postponed on judges with some experts to tell us

00:40:15.500 and confirm what we know, that these people are radical partisan activists. It's so unfortunate

00:40:20.440 because our side, our grassroots are fueled by patriotism, not dark money, not George Soros money.

00:40:26.760 And they're such amazing investigative reporters. You go on X nowadays, people are the ones who are

00:40:31.600 exposing these groups and the elected Republicans that should be enforcing. It's not, we're not even

00:40:36.520 telling them to go after these groups in an autocratic, you know, despotic way. We're just

00:40:40.840 saying enforce the laws, enforce the fact that these should not be receiving tax exempt statuses

00:40:45.900 or 501c3 statuses, or go after the left wing billionaires. I mean, the case that they've been

00:40:50.520 able to make against right wing billionaires, we're trying to root out waste, fraud and abuse when you

00:40:55.140 juxtapose that to actual, I would argue criminal cases that you could bring against a ton of left wing

00:41:00.160 billionaires who are clandestinely and covertly funding domestic terror operations here in the United States,

00:41:05.840 not just since January 20th, but for years on end. The issue I think starts with the weak

00:41:12.300 factlessness of congressional Republicans who just have continually showed that they're unwilling

00:41:16.980 to do anything. When is Trump going after them? I would love Trump to give a speech today on a few

00:41:24.220 things. One, okay, I just did the tariffs. The tariffs are not going to work by themselves.

00:41:29.300 I need actual tax reform, tax cuts, and a tax cut is not renewing the Trump taxes that are going to,

00:41:37.340 you know, be raised. That's not a tax cut. That was a tax cut eight years ago. Give us a significant

00:41:43.520 tax cut Congress. And also I'm taking a hatchet to the regulations beginning right now. And anybody who

00:41:51.940 wants to stand around with their hands in the pocket, there's fine. That's fine. But we cannot stand

00:41:56.700 around and wait. The time is too short to, to stand around and wait. I'm looking for him to start

00:42:04.160 really pushing, um, you know, eyes into people's heads just a little bit saying, uh, excuse me,

00:42:11.040 pressure is on me. The pressure is on the, the population of the United States. Do your damn job

00:42:16.940 Congress right now. Well, and it's quite interesting, right? Because you hear president Trump get 1.00

00:42:22.360 criticized for flooding the zone. They say it so pejoratively, but flooding the zone is just a

00:42:27.660 response to the absolute disarray and chaos that president Biden left this country. And we have to

00:42:33.640 flood the zone with executive orders and action after action and tariff after tariff because of what

00:42:39.860 happened in Afghanistan at the Southern border across this country with Chinese spy balloons,

00:42:44.200 right? It's such a double standard and congressional Republicans, the same people who are joining the

00:42:49.100 doge caucus and posting all their pictures and talking a tough game on Twitter. They're voting

00:42:53.540 to continue spending levels at the very same Biden, Biden rate levels. And the Senate's already moving

00:42:58.600 to try to make it. So president Trump can't unilaterally impose tariffs. You know, it's the

00:43:03.300 Senate is the people who've been there for probably longer than I've been alive who allowed the Chinese 1.00

00:43:07.680 communist party who allowed these third world countries to overtake our manufacturing jobs to 1.00

00:43:12.940 seize essentially our means of production. And they did nothing about it because their donors,

00:43:17.380 the people who've been funding them got rich off of it and enjoy it. And their constituents,

00:43:22.240 the people who knocked the doors for them, donated them small dollar amounts, they have nothing but

00:43:27.520 contempt for them. And you can see it on display. And frankly, it's insulting to the intelligence of

00:43:32.420 your audience, of Bannon's war room audience, when they think that just some tweet or some strongly

00:43:37.560 worded letter or some, you know, half-hearted hearing against a judge that has no really enforcement

00:43:43.640 power is going to be enough to satisfy us. The MAGA movement is about shifting the goalposts for

00:43:49.240 accountability. And I think our audiences have been very clear that it's found in prison sentences

00:43:54.660 and investigations for people who have committed crimes and not just strongly worded letters or,

00:44:00.660 you know, Fox News segments where people are going off and giving nice spicy rants, but these

00:44:05.600 criminals keep getting away with it. Yep. Natalie, thank you so much. We'll talk to you again soon.

00:44:10.640 Thank you so much. Thank you for all the hard work you do. Sincerely. Thank you.

00:44:13.880 Likewise. Thank you. I bet. That's Natalie Winters,

00:44:16.820 White House correspondent and also co-host of Steve Bannon's War Room.

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